1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Even in school, like we would switch classes pretty often, 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: and I just remember always taking her like english and 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: history tests and exams, and she would take my like 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: math and science stuff up to or in science for example, 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: like the more like I would do biology and she 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: would like do chemistry. And you got away with it. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no one ever found out. No found out. 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: single one of you that come back every week to listen, 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: learn and grow. Now. I love it when I get 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: to sit down with people that have had conversations offline 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: before put it on the podcast, record it and share 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: it with each and every one of you. Today's guests 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: are two people that I am fascinated by. I'm curious 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: to learn more about them today. I admire them for 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: how they show up in the world, the energy they carry, 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: and how they make me and my wife feel whenever 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: we're around them. We got introduced to them by our 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: dear friend Raquel, who also happens me in the room, 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: who be on the podcast very very soon as well. 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: But I'm so grateful that she's in the room because 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: she's the one who connected us Today's guest our Fashion 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: Duo DJ Duo Simmy and Hayes. Thank you for being here, 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for having us. This is really rare because 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: we never really interview people are always like, we've never 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: heard your voices, so yeah, we rarely like even talk 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: on our Instagram stories or anything. But we trust you 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: and we love you, so here we are. I feel 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: honored hearing that, and my team said the same thing 31 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: to me. They were like, we want to find interviews 32 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: with them on it and researching and you know what 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: they like. And I was like, yeah, but that's why 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: I want to sit down with you, because, like I said, 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: when Raquel introduced us, and we've had a couple of 36 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: dinners here and there, and we've always had like these deep, 37 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: reflective conversations, and you both have such a wonderful warmth 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: and positive energy about you. And then I was like, 39 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: they do have voices, they have one opinions, they have 40 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: great ideas, and I love hearing that. Why why don't 41 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: you do interviews? Let's start there is what has stopped 42 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: you over the years from doing interviews. We're just very 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: selective about who we talk to, especially if it's you know, 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: live like this, We've also done like a lot of 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: like magazine interview stuff where like a lot of stuff 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: has been taken out of context. I'd also sometimes rather 47 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: have the people who are closest to me and the 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: people who really know us know how we really are 49 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: and not really focus on outside opinions or something we 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: said being taken out of context. Yeah, that makes a 51 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: lot of sense. Hey, do you want to tell me 52 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: what you just told me before the podcast? Because then 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: everyone can have the disclaimer because I was, I was, 54 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: I was cracking up when you told me this, and 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: I feel like everyone needs to know this. I basically 56 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: Simmy is like the spokesperson of the twins. I guess 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: that's yeah, so she does more of the talking between us. 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: When did that decision get made? It just happened kind 59 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: of naturally. I feel like even in school, like we 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: would switch classes pretty often, especially because we had the 61 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: same subject but we didn't have the same classes, so 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: and I just remember always taking her like English and 63 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: history tests and exams, and she would take my like 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: math and science, the stuff like or in science for example, 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: like the more like I would do biology and she 66 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: would like do chemistry. So it's like there's you know, 67 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: there's like a left brain right brain kind of delegation 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: that we have between each other that comes really naturally, 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: and you got away with it. Oh yeah, no one 70 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: ever found out found out. We kind of started doing 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: it because we just thought like why not we could? 72 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: We couldn't we can do this, so why not try? 73 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: And then it just we just kept getting away with it. Yeah, 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: I kept going with it. Yeah, that's amazing. I love that. Well. 75 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: One of the things that you know, both of you 76 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: are Palestinian and we've spoken about that offline as well 77 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: when we've been connecting. But I wanted to hear about 78 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, I want to hear about your story, your journey, 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: your background, the growth, because, like you said, I don't 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: think many people know, and when we don't know, we 81 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: start putting people in boxes and we make decisions. What 82 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: do you think some of the framing that you have, 83 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,119 Speaker 1: but what who are you? I want to know about 84 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: that difference between how you think. Sometimes people may frame you, 85 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: but then how you frame yourself. I would say, I'm 86 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: just very curious and interested in learning, Like I'm really 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: big on self improvement and self development. I always feel 88 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: like I don't know anything. So with that mindset, I 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: feel like I can, you know, every day learn something 90 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: new because there's so much opportunity in every day to 91 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: learn stuff from anyone and from any experience, any book 92 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: that I pick up. I think investing in yourself is 93 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: such a huge thing, and I think that we that's 94 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: a value that we've been taught since we were kids. 95 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: Like my mom is always like was always like, you know, 96 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: learn an instrument, pick up a book, do this. Like 97 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: we were like in so many clubs in um high 98 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: school and middle school. We were like on every sports 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: team and we still maintained a four point two GPA. 100 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: So it's so crazy because we actually graduated with the 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: exact same gpa, but what just added up to be 102 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, very strange. Hey, how do you describe yourself? 103 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: Pretty much the same as what Simmy said. People only 104 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: get a small glimpse of us, so they don't really 105 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: get the full picture, which isn't there. I mean, like 106 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: we said, we'd barely do any interviews or anything, so 107 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: that's what they see on the surface. But like, obviously 108 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: there's way more. We're like involved in so many different projects, 109 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: involved and so many different things, Like are very eager 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: learners and four point two GPA is like ridiculously good, right, 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: so you have to be super smart to get a four. Right, 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: tell me a bit about your parents, because you said 113 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: there and I love what you said, Like you know, 114 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: just I think today we have lots of conversations about privilege, 115 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: and often it's it's something that you know gets looked 116 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: down upon. But obviously your parents worked really really hard, 117 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: or your grandparents and your great grandparents, Like that's how 118 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 1: my mom was born in Yemen and moved to London 119 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: when she was sixteen, and they moved there with nothing 120 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: and built a life and then gave me opportunities that 121 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: they didn't have. Tell us a bit about your parents. 122 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: Want to hear a bit about your mother and father. 123 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: I know you post a lot you have family trips, 124 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: Like I want to know about a bit more about 125 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: their journey and maybe about their story that you'd be 126 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: comfortable sharing with us, about how they got to where 127 00:06:53,320 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: they got to. My mom she started her fashion she 128 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: has she has a shop and I think it's I 129 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: mean it started off as a shop in Saudi Arabia 130 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: and she started off as a buyer and we started 131 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: going to fashion week with her at the time to 132 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: buy for her store, and then the shop expanded and 133 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: it became, like, you know, it became much bigger than 134 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: I think she anticipated because bringing a high end designers 135 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: to the Middle East, to that region was really new, 136 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: and Hayes and I were sort of, you know, trained 137 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: in showrooms with designers to create new collections for the 138 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: region based off of the collections that were already shown 139 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: on the runway in Paris. We were really focused on proportions, shapes, textures, 140 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: what is flattering to the body, what's just all those 141 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: things that helped us develop an eye for like functionality 142 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: and how old were you when you go to it? 143 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: We were like, I think we first started going when 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: we were fourteen. Yeah, and I think that really helped 145 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: us even where we are today. It's like a study, 146 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 1: like we've been studying this since we were fourteen, and 147 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: we started doing our own buying appointments and you know, 148 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: doing being in showrooms alone. We were like fifteen sixteen, 149 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: and it was awesome that she trusted us, but I 150 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: guess we did a good job, so she actually trusted 151 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: you to like and to come up with ideas on 152 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: how to make something more flattering to a body type 153 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: that's not like a model body type. Yeah, and my 154 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: parents are amazing. They've been together for thirty years, and 155 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it's really amazing to see 156 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: how in a relationship that is lasting, you have to 157 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: keep choosing each other and keep healing and doing the work. 158 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: And I've seen my parents change like since we were 159 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: you know, from when we were kids to now, they're 160 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: just such different people, and that's aspirational. I mean, I 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: really hope that one day I can have that in 162 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: a partner too. Yeah, that's amazing. I love hearing that, 163 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: and it's it's amazing to see how you know, a 164 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to go on and grow 165 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: older and do what their parents do, but both of 166 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: you became so passionate about something that your mother was 167 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: passionate about. And I love what you said that we've 168 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: been studying this for such a long time because I 169 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: think when people think about fashion, and you know, I 170 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: think anyone who ever sees you guys, whether it's online 171 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: or when I've seen you at events or whatever, it 172 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: may be, the way you guys dress and you're fashioned, 173 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: everything is just like wow, that's so unique. Like, I've 174 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: never seen that before, and I think that you know, 175 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean, rather you always feel that way when we 176 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: see you, guys are like wow, like yeah that we 177 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: literally going like what, Like it's so unpredictable, it's so unique. 178 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: And so when you say you've studied something I think fashion, 179 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: often people who don't necessarily can't appreciate it, maybe like, oh, 180 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: but it's just clothes or it's just colors, and it's 181 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: like but actually, when you see someone invent something new 182 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: or someone who creates something that's very rare, you then 183 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: start looking at it and saying, oh, there's a real 184 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: art and a skill to that. Tell us about how 185 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: that art and skill developed independently and collectively between you both. 186 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: Because would you describe you both as having a similar 187 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: sense of taste and style it would you say you 188 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: actually have a very different How would you describe it? 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: I feel very similar, very similar taste. I think it's 190 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: inevitable with you know, just our experiences and developing the 191 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: vocabulary that we have just in terms of like taste 192 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: and how we see things. We've all talked about spirituality 193 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: and conscienness before. Do you guys feel that with your 194 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: connection like is there a conscious twin connection that you 195 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: guys experience and feel and tell me about where you 196 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: experience it the most independently and collectively. I feel like 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: because we spend so much time to time together and 198 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: because we work together and we have like mostly the 199 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: same friends, we inevitably have like I know what she's thinking, 200 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: she knows what I'm thinking. So in that sense, I 201 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: would say we do have like collective consciousness. There's like 202 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: trippy moments that happen being a twin, Like I feel 203 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: like only twins will understand this, where like I'll walk 204 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: into room and Haze will be there and for like 205 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: a split second, I know this sounds crazy. The first second, 206 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: I'll be like, wait, what am I doing there? And 207 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: then I'll just come back into like real life. But 208 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: it's like a really nuanced thing that happens in very 209 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: small moments, and I think that's I don't know, I 210 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: feel like it's a magic power. Yeah, I wish I 211 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 1: could experience that. And I always tell Rad I'm like, 212 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: I really want twins, Like that's that's what I want. 213 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: We don't have twins on either side of the families. 214 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, like ladies because they always have each other. Yeah, yeah, 215 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: And I think that's really special because you know, even 216 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: in like our friendships and like in relationships and stuff like, 217 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: we don't look for a companionship. That's not something that's 218 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: like the crucial to us, Like we don't need to 219 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: have just companionship. We look for other values and because 220 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: obviously we have each other. So I think that we're 221 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: really lucky that we have that experience because even moving 222 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: schools and things like that, growing up, we never had 223 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: I was never scary, like I always hear like my 224 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: friends like moving schools, like it was always like a 225 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: big thing for them, But for us, we were like 226 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: excited because like we had each other. So that's so beautiful. 227 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: How many schools did you guys go to when you 228 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: were young, Like it sounds that you moved around a law. Yeah, 229 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: I mean we lived. We were born in Saudi Arabia, 230 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: so we went to a probably two schools there when 231 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: we were little, and then we moved to London and 232 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: we went to one school there it was an all 233 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: girls school. And then in high school we were in 234 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: Dubai and we went to two schools there. That's a few, yeah, 235 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: and then we came to LA and loved to college here. 236 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: So you did you did you always know this is 237 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: what you wanted to be, this is what you wanted 238 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: to do or has it been more of a natural 239 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: organic evolution? Was there anything else? It definitely happened quite naturally. 240 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I feel like I always knew I was gonna end 241 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: up in a creative field, Like even with music, we 242 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: didn't know we were going to end up in music 243 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: at all. We were actually studying film and then our 244 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: friend group was so immersed in music that we just 245 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: kind of stumbled into it and that's how we became DJs. 246 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, I feel like we're kind of lucky that 247 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: it kind of happened quite naturally for us. I love that. 248 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: And where where did music and fashion collide or where 249 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: did those two worlds become so important to you? When 250 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: did you both feel like this is something not only 251 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: are we going to do this, but we're going to 252 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: do this together? And that where was the beginning of 253 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: that journey? Well? Fashion has just always been a part 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: of our DNA with our mom and you know, just 255 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: growing up in fashion and go in a fashion week 256 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: since we were kids. I think that it was just 257 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: already in place for us, and then music. Well, we 258 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: studied fine art and film production in college. And then, 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: as Hayes was saying, we were just we were in 260 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: the studio a lot with our friends who were musicians, 261 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: and we just sort of started DJing our friends parties 262 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: just on the low, just because we love music and 263 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: we love playing music, and we love doing transitions. We 264 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: were really interested in transitions like from you know, song 265 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: to song, and I think that there's like an artistry 266 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: in that, and also, you know, reading the room. As 267 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: a DJ, it's like you have to be really good 268 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: at energy and like feeling people's energy, especially if it's 269 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: a smaller event, because we did start doing smaller events 270 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: in the beginning. We were just like asked to do 271 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: a favor for a friend at like a party at Coachella, 272 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: and then we were approached by a bunch of managers 273 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: to started to yeah, to manage. Yeah. We were always 274 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: kind of skeptical about being DJs. We had a lot 275 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: of DJ friends that we respected so much that we weren't. 276 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: We didn't want to be like, oh, we're just gonna come, 277 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: and we kind of pushed it away. Yeah, we resisted 278 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: it lot, but then we were like whatever. We just 279 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: like playing music, Let's just do this and then we 280 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we just started doing so many events around 281 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the world and it took us, you know, djaying took 282 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: us to places and helped us like meet a lot 283 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: of interesting people. And I think that we never forced it, 284 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, it just sort of happened for us. And 285 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: because we were doing something that we found was really 286 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: fun and that we loved djaying, fashion, our music, everything, 287 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: it just like informed each other and yeah, it's just 288 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: Simmy and Hayes founded Simmy Hayes Beauty, which is super exciting. 289 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: I saw the launch and that's when I like message 290 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: you guys, and I was so excited for you because 291 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: I think creating something with someone you love is such 292 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: a special offering into the world and you getting everyone 293 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: else to have an opportunity to be a part of 294 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: that world. Tell us about why you created Simmy Hayes Beauty. 295 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: What was the intention behind it, what was the essence 296 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: of it, and what are you excited about sharing it 297 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: with people. Sim's Beauty came out of our need to 298 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: create something that didn't exist. So we didn't want to 299 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: create a beauty line for the sake of slapping our 300 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: names on a product and selling something that's been out already. 301 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: It's been in the making for three years. Wow, that's 302 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, and it's you know, it's been 303 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: such a long process. Like our first product is this 304 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: product called Velvet Blur, and it's a matte lip bomb, 305 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: which anyone in the beauty industry would be like, that's impossible. 306 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: How can you make a mat lipstick that's also moisturizing 307 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: because the formulations, it's like, really it's really challenging to 308 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: create that sort of texture and still achieve that effect. 309 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: But that's why it took so long, because we had 310 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: we realize that that's what's missing in the market, something 311 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: that you could just do with one swipe and it 312 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: feels like a lip bomb. It's really comfortable, but it 313 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: has the effect of a mate lipstick. Yeah, we all 314 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: just wanted that for our personal use. Like we would 315 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: go into like these beauty stores and pick out like 316 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: the same shade and like all these different brands, and 317 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: there was like one thing we liked in that one, 318 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: and one thing we liked in that one, but like 319 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: there was nothing, there was nothing that was like combined 320 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: and that specific lipstick is like an amalgamation of the 321 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: perfect things and all the beauty products, all the lipsticks 322 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: that we tried. Yeah, and then there's like this amazing 323 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: sun flush um formula that we also created that just 324 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: gives you like a healthy flush. I think it's also 325 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: the brand came out of you know, what we're saying 326 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: is there was stuff that's missing from the market that 327 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: we wanted to create that would make our lives easier. 328 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: And that's what we want to do. We want to 329 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: just facilitate an easier lifestyle for people. We don't want 330 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: people to take ten hours doing their makeup. We want 331 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: people to have reliable, well, very high quality, efficient products, 332 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: and we're going to do the research to make sure 333 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: you have that product in your hand and that it 334 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: looks beautiful and that you're proud of it, and that 335 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: you want to put it on your counter and you know, 336 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: and have it be this like full sensory experience from 337 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: like holding the packaging to put it, putting it on. 338 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: And I think that the reviews have been so exciting 339 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: to see because that's exactly what people are saying. Yeah, congratulations. 340 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: By the way, I read them, and I was reading 341 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: I was reading some of the articles where people are saying, like, 342 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: just how easy it is and how accessible you've made makeup, 343 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: And you know, I think that that's fascinating in an 344 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: industry which, like you're saying, a lot of the time, 345 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: you can spend hours in front of the mirror trying 346 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: to look a certain way, and then you don't feel 347 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,719 Speaker 1: happy with yourself and it hasn't been made easy, Like, 348 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: but you've created something that is accessible, that is easy, 349 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: that's shareable, that people can Like you said, I love 350 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: the year of what you described as a sensory experience 351 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: from the moment they open it, the moment they put 352 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: it on. Was there something about the process that surprised you, 353 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: like in actually creating makeup, like going from actually wearing 354 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: makeup and using other people makeup, but the process of 355 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: creating it, it was there or anything that was interesting 356 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: or challenging or unique about the process for someone who's 357 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: like maybe someone's listening they're like, oh, I'd love to 358 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: create makeup one day, or someone's sitting there going like, oh, 359 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: I you know, I've never understood. Was there something that 360 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: was hard or difficult about it? Like how many times? Yeah, 361 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: that everything affects everything. So let's say there's like a 362 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: powder and the more you compress the powder, the less 363 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: pigmented it's going to be. But then you want pigment, 364 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: so then you so if you put it in a 365 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: packaging and then it all falls out, that's not going 366 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: to work. So there's like it's a rubic ski like 367 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: you can't you can't use the same packaging for like 368 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: all the same formulas. Like there are some moments where 369 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: we wanted to have a concealer in a but they 370 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: were like, oh no, this formula only works in this 371 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: sort of tube. And it's how you know, every all 372 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: these elements work together to deliver like a certain effect, 373 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: and you can't you know, do whatever you want. It's 374 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 1: sort of like a trial and error. There's like a 375 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: lot of challenges within creating a specific product. It's definitely 376 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: a chemistry and I think that it's important to work 377 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: with people who really love what they're doing and who 378 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: really believe in your product because Hayes and I are 379 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: always pushing for innovation and Simmy Hayes Beauty is here 380 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: for to be that bridge to what beauty is going 381 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: to be. And yeah, we definitely pushed the lab to 382 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: create products that didn't exist before and that's you know, 383 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: and having it become, having it be successful, having a 384 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: product that is that actually works is you know, further 385 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: impetus to create more um innovation. So are you doing 386 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: all the testing and innovation out in Milan or is 387 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: that one of the places or is that the place 388 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: you're sourcing. No, that's where we do like all the testing. 389 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: Why why did you choose Milan? Like apart from the 390 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: obvious reasons, but was this something that drew you there 391 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: when you said you wanted to create with people who 392 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: actually love what they're doing? Is well, Milan has the 393 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: well it's it's not really in Milan, it's sort of 394 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: in the country. Yeah, there's like maybe four labs that 395 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: are like the biggest labs in the world that create 396 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: the best makeup in the world for like all different brands, 397 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: for the highest end brands. And so we visited over 398 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: the three years every single makeup lab that you can 399 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: get in. We even like ended up in Malta. It's 400 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: it's amazing. I rathery and I just launched our tea 401 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: company Sama, which is able and hot tea company. I 402 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: love that you mugs for the I know which is 403 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: which is I didn't sell it, Yeah, which is perfect, 404 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: Like I can't wait to open them, like we subconsciously knew. Yes, 405 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: that's true. I'm not getting you. We just announced it 406 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: like two days ago. That's people appreciate tea like I 407 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: have a special bond and connection. Yeah, well when you 408 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: love to give us real feedback when when we give 409 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: them to you. But we we you know, we've just 410 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: been through that whole process as well of like sourcing 411 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: the tea leaves and the ingredients and obviously a lot 412 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: of our ingredients India. So a lot of our like 413 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: root herbs in each of the teas is from India, 414 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: and we've used these adapted gens and specific herbs with 415 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: distressing qualities and calming amazing, and Rather's obviously the expert 416 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. So we've been trying to find 417 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: them and you know, we've just been through that process. 418 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: So I know, even though it's not makeup, it's like 419 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: there's a there's a similarity in the idea of again 420 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: what you said, like finding people actually love what they do, 421 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: Like we found people who we consider potion mind masters, 422 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: were like this person like literally is like a food 423 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: scientist and knows how and rather knows which flavors to blend, 424 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: but then having someone who can help us blend them 425 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: effectively has been such a fun process. Yeah who you trust? 426 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah from across the world. Yeah, exactly, exactly right too. Yeah, 427 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: we can't be there every time. My god, I'm so 428 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: excited to try. I can't wait to share it with me. Yeah. Yeah, 429 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: And I'm sure rather he's excited to try to make 430 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: up too, So it's going to be a good and 431 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll figure out something for me to try to. 432 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: The lip bomb sounds great, Like a lip bomb sounds great. 433 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: I definitely. Yeah. Both of you've talked today about like 434 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: how you love learning and you're curious and you're always 435 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: trying your best in whatever it weigh is to be 436 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: to be open to stuff. I want to know what's 437 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: something recently that you've both been trying to learn more 438 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: about this year or in the last twelve months or 439 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: even recently, Like what's been something that you think has 440 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: been sparking your curiosity individually? Like, what's what's been that 441 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: thing it's been like want to learn a bit more 442 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: about that this? Yeah, I'm just gonna go I'm gonna 443 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: answer this question from like the last book I read 444 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: totally because I read a lot of books and they're 445 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 1: all on different topics. Like I just reread The Four 446 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: Agreements and then at the same time was reading On Palestine, 447 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: the Noam Chomsky Ellen Pape book. This incredible physicist Carlos Rovelli, 448 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: and he is amazing because he talks about physics from 449 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: a very poetic perspective. And I'm really into allegories, especially 450 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: in topics that are as complex as physics, and he 451 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: makes it so easy to understand, because you know, physics 452 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: is like from like the smallest atom, how things are created, 453 00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: and I'm really interested in creation. I think reading books 454 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: on like different subjects help my mind kind of put 455 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: things together. I always remember when Steve Jobs said creativity 456 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: is just connecting things. In the beginning, I was like, 457 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: I need to just focus on one book, you know, 458 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: like I need to just do the one book. But 459 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: I just like started embracing the fact that I'm yeah, 460 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 1: we like jumping around. I just jump around a lot 461 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: from book to book, and I think it informs informs 462 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: my intellect and a more creative way. But yeah, On 463 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Palestine is like a really important book on the subject, 464 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: and I also read this amazing book called The Way 465 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 1: of the Spring by Ben Aharon Reich that is about 466 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: the situation in Palestine, but mostly through anecdotes with people 467 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: who live there, like Palestinians who live in the West Bank. 468 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: I love both those books on the subject, so if 469 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: you're looking to learn more. But I'm a big Noam 470 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: Chomsky fan. Yeah, linguistics hero, and I think something that's 471 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: really important that he brings up in that book is 472 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: how the language used around Palestine and the situation in 473 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: Palestine sort of has perpetuated the cycle of ineffective debate 474 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: that you know, using terms like the peace process or 475 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: negotiations or both sides. Words like that or expressions like that, 476 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: they perpetuate the sloop of what Elin Pape calls a 477 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: conceptual paralysis, and it's it's a really ineffective way of 478 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: talking about the situation. You know, terms like decolonization, regime change, apartheid, 479 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: ethnic lensing, those are the terms that are conducive to 480 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: real change. And I think it's so exciting to see 481 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: that finally the world is waking up and using that 482 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: those terminologies to talk about the situation in Palestine. Yeah, 483 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: that's such a great answer. I love that. I'm glad. 484 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: I love getting book recommendations, and so you've you've given 485 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: us a ton of great ones. There. Don Miguel Ruiz 486 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: has actually come in the podcast into from oh my god, 487 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: I need to be here. I figured that we'll figure 488 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: that out. I'll let you guys know. But but also 489 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: like when you know obviously, when why is learning about 490 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: or your heritage been so important to you and also 491 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 1: sharing about it too, And you know, I know that 492 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: when we connected, both of you shared so wonderfully and 493 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: also just you're both so what's the right word. I 494 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: don't want I want to say this. You're both so 495 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: curated and elegant with your words as well when you're 496 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: writing about something like you're not you're not being cautious 497 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: or you're not being careful, You're just being thoughtful. And 498 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: so tell me about why it's been so interesting for 499 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: both of you to learn about your heritage and to 500 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: learn about what's happening and how is that in formed 501 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: some of the work you've been dying. Being Middle Eastern 502 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: is inextricable to how we are and how we see 503 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: the world, and in so many you know, anybody who's 504 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: come across Middle Eastern culture. You know, it's a hotbed 505 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: of literature, architecture, mysticism. You know, there's a lot of 506 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: incredible values, generosity, understanding, loyalty, like there's that those values 507 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: are just paradigmatic of Arab culture wherever you find it 508 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: in the world. And learning about our culture, and I 509 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: think even talking on Palestine on our platform, I feel 510 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: lucky because we are Palestinians, so in some ways we 511 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: have carte blanche to talk about it, and people are 512 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: not going to criticize us the way that they would 513 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: criticize somebody who's not Palestinian. But I think we do 514 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: have a responsibility to highlights people that, you know, the 515 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: situation in Palestine isn't it isn't a new situation. It's 516 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: a story of it's not a new story. Like it's 517 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: a story of colonialism and dispossession and it's happened in 518 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: history over and over and over again. You know, European 519 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: settlers coming to a foreign land, expelling or committing genocide 520 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: against the indigenous people. But when you talk about it 521 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: in terms of Palestine, they make it seem just like 522 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: like this crazy, multifaceted, complex issue and anything that any 523 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: criticism against it is cassiated as anti semitic, and I 524 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of the the tension comes in. 525 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: It's like anything you say is going to be labeled 526 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: anti Semitic. But that's what the mainstream media wants you 527 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: to believe because they, you know, the whole function of 528 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: the media is to control your focus. And you know, 529 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: they don't you to be concerned over the lives of 530 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: ordinary people. They want you to be you. They want 531 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: you to focus on whether this person is anti Semitic, 532 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: and that's like the crucial value of the media. And 533 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: I think engaging in a a little bit of critical thinking 534 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: takes you out of that cheap kind of like audience 535 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: that are sort of passive participants in the media, which 536 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: Walter Lippmann calls the bewildered Hurd. I love that term. 537 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, all it takes is a little bit of 538 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: critical thinking and looking at the Jewish scholars like look 539 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: like listen to listen. I always tell my Jewish friends, 540 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: like I've had so many conversations with them about Palestine, 541 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: and I always say, listen to your scholars. There's some 542 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: of my favorites, you know, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Urie Davis, 543 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: Gabor Mattei, Stephen Silda. There's so many amazing Jewish scholars 544 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: who speak on the situation in Palestine. They will show 545 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: you the indoctrination that a lot of people have been 546 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: through growing up, you know, seeing Paltign in a certain way, 547 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: seeing Palastinians in a certain way, and yeah, teaching them 548 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: to relearn and engage in the critical thinking requires to 549 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: see the world as it is. Thank you for sharing that. 550 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I just love what I really appreciate 551 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: about both of you. And I see this obviously based 552 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: on some of the conversations we've had, but also from 553 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: following you guys, Like, there's just so much thought and 554 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: research and reading and thinking happening behind the scenes that 555 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: people may not be aware of. And I think if 556 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: something that we can all learn is what you just 557 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: rightly said, is the skill of critical thinking and the 558 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: skill of questioning without being judgmental, without having to put 559 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: things in a box, without division. And I think often 560 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: we think those skills come together. We think, if you're 561 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: a critical thinker, you have to be able to like 562 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: divide and segregate, whereas actually, if you're a critical thinker, 563 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: you can actually find places for everything to make sense. 564 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: And so I appreciate what you've just shared with us 565 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: from the perspective of, hey, guys, this is this is 566 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: what we need to be thinking about. This is the 567 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: kind of stuff we need to be questioning. Yeah does 568 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: that Yeah? Yeah, And I think it does take a 569 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of international pressure to change the situation, and it's 570 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: awesome to see that now. You know, there's like the 571 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: BDS movement, it's really making a difference. There's like Israel 572 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: Apartheid Week across campuses that started off in Canada and 573 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: now it's like the biggest um sort of activist week, yeah, 574 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: campaign on the situation. And then there's a lot of infographics, 575 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: there's reading, there's like just so much information. And when 576 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: my friends come up to me and they, you know, 577 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: they asked me about it, especially when it was happening, 578 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: when like a couple of months ago, it was really 579 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: emotional for me to like even talk about because those 580 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: kids that you see in the videos they look like 581 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: my cousins. Like it's just it's heartbreaking. So you know, 582 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: I was always encouraging my friends, like I'll talk to 583 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: you about it, but like go online and do the research. 584 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: It's right there, and I think it's it's hard to 585 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: go and look at yourself and look at what you've 586 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: learned and say, oh, maybe I wasn't, you know, taught 587 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: what the truth is. And I've I've had direct experiences 588 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: with this. Like I went to USC and studied film, 589 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: but one of my elective classes was Middle Eastern studies, 590 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: and I remember my professor was Canadian. She studied her 591 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: She studied Middle Eastern studies her whole life, she was 592 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: a PhD. There was like a quiz happening that day, 593 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: and I remember, like we were talking about Israel Palestine, 594 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: and one of the one of my classmates, was like 595 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: razor hand. She was like, oh, well, what if I 596 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: don't believe that this is what happened, will I get 597 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: the question wrong? And my teacher was like, that's what happened, 598 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: that's history, you know. Like that interaction was just so 599 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: emblematic of the indoctrination that kids go through. Once you 600 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: look at what's happening over there through colonial perspective, you 601 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: can no longer hide behind the claim of complexity or 602 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: anti semitism or anything else. It is just is what 603 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: it is. And it's a humanitarian crisis, and we have 604 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: a responsibility to affect change. It's really cool to be 605 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: able to help in any way. And when people, you know, 606 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: say like, oh, like influence, you're an influencer, you're this 607 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: or that, it's like, I don't even get offended by 608 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: that term, because you know, there's a deeper function within 609 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: the term influencer, and that's that you have a voice 610 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: and that people will listen to you, and I thank 611 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: you for you and your platform in that way. It's 612 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's always it's so wonderful to be around 613 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: purposeful individuals and have purposeful friends doing things that are 614 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: meaningful to them and serving and helping, especially when it 615 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: comes to children. I feel like children's one thing that 616 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: I hope that no one in the world can disagree 617 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 1: on that you know, requires nurturing, requires love, requires the basics. 618 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: It's just basic necessity. Because actually, in that Ben Aaron 619 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: Reich book The Way of the Spring, something that really 620 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: like caught me off guard was this, like there was 621 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: this character in the book that just kept getting charged 622 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: for no reason and being put in jail for no reason. 623 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: And he came out of jail and he was asked like, oh, 624 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: so do you miss anything about your experience in prison, 625 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: like as a joke, and he was like, actually, prison 626 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: soul virtue was the water pressure, Like I could take 627 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 1: a good shower. Yeah, And it's just crazy how something 628 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: so basic as taking a shower is possible Yeah in 629 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: the West Bank and Gaza. Yeah, yeah, because they only 630 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: really have twenty percent access of the Mountain aquifer that's 631 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: literally in Gaza. So yeah, basic necessities. I mean, how 632 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: many people don't have? Yeah? Yeah, So anyone who's listening 633 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: right now. Raquel, our dear friend who introduced us, she's 634 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: sitting here and she was sharing in a really important 635 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: reflection that I can't articulate quite as well as she 636 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: did because it came from her heart. Yes, exactly, that's 637 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I'm going to repeat what Raquel 638 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: was saying that And this is what I'm hoping that 639 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: people are going to get from this episode. Like I 640 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: think that's the point, Like I think what Raquel just 641 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: said is what I'm genuinely hoping. Are people going to 642 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: get what people are going to get from this conversation 643 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: that they're going to see two people that we get 644 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: a very limited view on all ideas upon. But then 645 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: today we've got to realize just how broad your experiences are, 646 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: your life experience in life story are from Raquel was saying, 647 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, born in Saudi Arabia, you've studied in London, 648 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: in Dubai, in la You've had the experience of music, 649 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: a fashion of neuroscience, Like who brings those three things together? 650 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 1: And the reason why you're such tastemakers is because you're 651 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: global citizens and you live with a global heart. And 652 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: it's not just the external expression of how artistic you are, 653 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: but even your heart has been impacted by all these 654 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: other stories, philosophies and ideas that you've heard. And I'm 655 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: hoping that that does some justice. Even that is not 656 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: all of who you are, but I'm hoping that that 657 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: there's some justice into people understanding who you are. I 658 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: think having all these experiences and being so many places 659 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: and meeting people of all different cultures, it's given us 660 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: a heightened sense of empathy and compassion for being a 661 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: human being, and a sense of understanding that somebody who 662 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: grew up in one place wouldn't have. Yeah, and obviously 663 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: that's what Raquel is saying, Like your experiences of being 664 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: able to connect with so many different hearts and so 665 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: many different minds, and you've lived across so many different 666 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 1: places that you've you've got to experience a lot of 667 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: different cultures. And that's what you were saying earlier that 668 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: you were like, well, some people would call that privileged, 669 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: but actually you've turned your privilege into purpose and into 670 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: service and connecting with people. Like yes, like you said, 671 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: you could be privileged that you've got to travel, But 672 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: traveling hasn't made you more eager to travel. It's made 673 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: you more eager to love and serve and try and 674 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: help people. If that feels right, Yeah, it feels like 675 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: well put, yeah, your your experiences have just they haven't 676 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: made you more hungry to have more experiences and see 677 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: more places. It's like, actually, it's helped us connect with 678 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 1: each human that we meet and want them to feel 679 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: a certain way. What have I not asked you? Or 680 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: what have you not spoken about today? That's on your heart, 681 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: that's in your mind, and you both like, Jay, I 682 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: have to share this today. I have to tell your 683 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: community or if there is an you may say, yeah, 684 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: there's nothing you've asked us, But I want to make 685 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: sure that because your friends and people I care about, 686 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: I want to make sure you feel you've had a 687 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: chance to share your heart. I don't know, I feel 688 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: like we talked about so much good. I mean, if 689 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: you feel happy and satisfied with everything we've talked about, 690 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: that makes me feel good because I just, you know, 691 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: I just wanted everyone, and I'm grateful you trusted me, 692 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: but I wanted everyone to just see just how intelligent, thoughtful, 693 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 1: masterful you both are in so many ways. And yeah, 694 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm honored to call you guys a friend 695 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: honestly because it's likewise. I mean, we're We're so honored 696 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: to be on this podcast. I'm so honored to hear 697 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: that from both of you because I also think the 698 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: same of you that you know, you're known for being 699 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 1: incredible like masters in music and in fashion and in taste, 700 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: but you're using that platform for purpose for reasons like that. 701 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: To me is it's the same trade, you know, like 702 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to take. So I'm trying to take what 703 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: I've learned and from my teachers, and I'm trying to 704 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: share it globally, and you're doing something that's globally recognized. 705 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 1: But you're trying to elevate that, and I think that's 706 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: what is so beautiful to see, but also how thoughtful 707 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: and deep your research is in reading. I think you know, 708 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: I think people often think that whatever word you use 709 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: in Raquel, and I felt the same way, whether you 710 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: use the word influence or whatever whatever that word is, like, 711 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: you often just think that people don't they're not reading, 712 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: they're not thinking, they're not learning, And it's like, but 713 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: both of you are. I know the events we all 714 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: go to together, we're always learning from other people, and 715 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's there's so much there. So 716 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: I thank you both from the bottom of my heart 717 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: for trusting me for being in my life. I thank 718 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: Raquel for bringing us together and surprising us all today 719 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: and also also creating that added piece of depth that 720 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: we all get to uncover. But I hope we get 721 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: to have there we go. I hope you get I 722 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: hope you all get to have many more of these conversations. 723 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 1: I hope you will come back on the part cast 724 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: in the future. I hope that Simmy Hayes Beauty as 725 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: the most incredible and successful first twelve months and beyond. 726 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, and I hope that you keep serving and 727 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: making a difference to everything you do. You both lights 728 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: in this world and you're making such an impact through 729 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: everything you touch. And I'm fully behind the fundraises. However 730 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: I can get involved, please let me know. I'd love 731 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: to be a part of it as well. So thank 732 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: you so so much for having us. Yeah, thank you guys, 733 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: and thank you everyone who's listening. Yes, thank you to 734 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: everyone has been listening down the podcast. They have they 735 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,399 Speaker 1: made it, Simmy and please love you. We do. Yeah, 736 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: tell you, tell them, you tell them that you love them. 737 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: That would be in a lot more, but no, I 738 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: want to thank you everyone who's been listening and watching. 739 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: I know you made it this far because you're an 740 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: amazing community. Please anything that Simmy and a shared that 741 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: stood out to you, that resonated with you, I'd love 742 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: you to tag them on Instagram and post it. I 743 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: want them to feel the love from this episode. So 744 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: if you love me, if you love on purpose, and 745 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: you loved anything they said today, please share that tagged them. 746 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,760 Speaker 1: I want them to see what resonated with you. Because 747 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: they've been so kind to us today and opening up 748 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: and sharing their story and sharing their journey. I want 749 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: them to know what an impact I had on your life. 750 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: So thank you everyone for listening and watching, and we'll 751 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: be back soon