1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,120 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Matt Miller. 2 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 2: You listen to me every day, I hope on the 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 2: Tape podcast with Paul Sweeney. I've got a new podcast though, 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: that I'm running alongside the Tape with my friend Hannah Elliott. 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: She's the car reviewer from Bloomberg Pursuits. 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: We call it Hot Pursuit, and we tell you everything 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: you need to know or want to know about new cars, 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: about the automotive industry, about car events. I'm gonna drop 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: a little sample from the Hot Pursuit podcast here. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen. 11 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 2: If you like it, go to the Hot Pursuit page 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: and subscribe. You can find it on Apple, on Spotify, 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: or anywhere you get your podcasts. 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 15 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 3: Hot Pursuit. 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 4: All right. 17 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: We have really got a special guest today, Jason Chinuck. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: He is the North American CEO for Jucati. And it's 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: no secret, Hannah, that I'm a pretty big Ducati fan obsessed. 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair. 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: I think I'm about to get my twentieth Dukati. So 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: and I've known Jason since he worked at Lamborghini. He 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: was the marketing director at Lamborghini. I still remember the 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: first day that I met you at the New Jersey 25 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: Motorsports Park, when you were teaching me how to drift 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: an event a door. 27 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 4: Yes, oh, yes, which is definitely an art in itself. 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: Which I means so much fun. 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: All right, let me set up the topics that we 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: have today, because there's a lot. 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: Going on in the world of automotive Hannah. 32 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: As you pointed out, we're waiting for an auction on Monday, 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: and we're expecting a Ferrari a gto to set another 34 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: world record for Ferraris. Plus, I want to talk about 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: old cars because you have a couple yourself. It's a 36 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: love affair that has its downsides, dysfunctional. 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I also want to talk about a Remac. 38 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: You know, Jason's Dukati is a member of the Volkswagen 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: Group and Remac is also very closely connected in that 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: the founder is now running Bugatti. And I don't know 41 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: the whole structure, but Remac recently had another world record, 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: uh set. They've set so many that we're going to discuss. 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: And I want to talk about the my box that 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: you're driving this week. And then finally, I want to 45 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: get to all the new Ducatis that Jason and everybody 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: at the motor company is launching, talking about the new Panagalies, 47 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: the new multi Strata, the new supermano is, which I'm 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: most excited about. So we'll get to everything that Ducatti's 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: putting out. They have one still to reveal in December, 50 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: and I don't think he's going to tell us what 51 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: it is, but. 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 4: You can tell us, give you a hint, but I'm 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 4: not gonna. 54 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Neither confirm nor deny. 55 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: All right, let's kick it off with the world of ferraris, 56 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: the world of auctions, the world of collector cars. Hannah, 57 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: I still remember when I was in high school, having 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off, I became obsessed with the 59 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: California Spider Cameron's dad had, and he that at the 60 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: time one of those fetched a world record price at 61 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: the time, fourteen million dollars. 62 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: What are we looking for? 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: Fourteen million probably won't crack the top, It might crack 64 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 3: the top fifteen these days on Monday, we're looking at 65 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 3: a nineteen sixty two Ferrari two fifty gto that RM 66 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: Southeby's is saying they hope to get sixty million dollars. 67 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 3: For now, I'm hearing from sixty million dollars million six zero. 68 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 3: I'm hearing from my sources. Fifty million may be more realistic. 69 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 3: But arm Southeby's certainly is billing this car as a 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: sixty million dollar Ferrari. That would be the most expensive 71 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: Ferrari sold publicly this year, although there has been another 72 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: Ferrari sold that was closer to fifty million. It was 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: forty eight, so this may not be the most expensive 74 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: Ferrari sold ever publicly, but certainly for this year, it's 75 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 3: kind of a big deal. It's the only this is 76 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: a nineteen sixty two raising Ferrari. It did raise in 77 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: the Nurber grading in sixty two and it won its class. 78 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: But it's the only one of those V twelve racing 79 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: Ferraris that got a four leader engine straight from the factory. 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: And they basically did that because they found some racing 81 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: loopholes that particular year. They knew they wanted to race it, 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 3: and they figured we can put in this four liter 83 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: engine and qualify for certain different races. And the car 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: did well. It did raise lamon and actually didn't end 85 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: up finishing. But it's been owned by the same guy 86 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: for almost four decades, so it sort of checks every 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: single box. And yeah, they're thinking fifty to sixty million. 88 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: We'll see sales on Monday. 89 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: You know who has a GTO I think is what's 90 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: the name of the drummer for Pink Floyd. He's got 91 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: a big car collection, he's got a big collector car fund, 92 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 2: and he has a GTO. I know because I saw 93 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: Mason Nick Mason, right, Yeah, I saw him go on 94 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: a Spanish talk show to explain why the car is 95 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: so valuable. One other cool thing that I heard today 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: from a car collector. I was talking to Philip Richter 97 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: here in New York. He runs Hollowbrook Wealth Management, but 98 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: also the Turtle Invitational is his car show here in Bedie. 99 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: He said that Enzo started building V twelves he loved 100 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: the twelve cylinder engine because he was such a huge 101 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: fan of the Packard V twelves from the nineteen thirties. 102 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: Wow, I have not heard that. That is wild. 103 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: Apparently, like Packard had at the time, they were the 104 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: luxury vehicles of the day, and they had like an 105 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: amazing V twelve and Enzo was obsessed with the Packard 106 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: V twelve and that's why he kicked off his cars 107 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: with those. 108 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obsession does lead you to good places, 109 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: I have to say. And whatever Enzo was obsessed with 110 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 3: really worked out for him because if you look at 111 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: the car market, Ferraris are the standard. They are the 112 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: blue chip vehicles. They hold their value. I mean this 113 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: year is actually was actually a bit of a cooling 114 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: year for collector cars. The sales in Monterey were down. 115 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 3: We're seeing some cooling, but Ferraris in particular are really 116 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: staying very solid. I can't remember if I told you 117 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: this before, but eleven of the fifteen top individual sales 118 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 3: here publicly were Ferrari's, So it's kind of a sure thing. 119 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: It's interesting. I was, I know, you love you know, 120 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: your muscle cars, Matt, and I was talking to Craig 121 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 3: Jackson yesterday, you know, from Barrett Jackson, and I was like, 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 3: under what circumstances would we have a muscle car like 123 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 3: a Challenger? You know? In this really really rarefied error 124 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 3: because we have had a few over a million yeah, completely, yeah, exactly. 125 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: We've had some Shelby you know, some Shelby Cobras in 126 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: a couple million dollar range. So they're not there yet. 127 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: It's like Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari. It's almost boring. 128 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: What was that like, Jason, you worked at Lamborghini. I 129 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: think you were head of marketing for in North America. 130 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: What was it like being always compared to Ferrari? 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, inevitably, there's a long shadow that they 132 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 5: cast and so and we were and we're part of 133 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: our story, is part of Ferrari's story. 134 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: It's that challenge. I loved it. 135 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 5: I actually loved it because you know that there was 136 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: a certain entity that they hold in a place in 137 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 5: the luxury car world. And we made it a point 138 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 5: that we're not We don't need to be that. We 139 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 5: can be something else. We can be something that more accessible, approachable, 140 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 5: a little bit more let's got it loose and fun 141 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 5: and a little wild. And I think that that really 142 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: when you look at the founders of both of those companies, 143 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 5: one was a little more rough around the edges and 144 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 5: the other one was a little bit more polished, and 145 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 5: that itself, I think really led to the type of 146 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 5: clients that we attracted. And that's the one thing I 147 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 5: loved about that time that I had there, because there's 148 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 5: a misperception of the type of client that owns a Lamborghini, 149 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 5: and then when you get in to really. 150 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: Learn who these people are, they're amazing. They're self made. 151 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 5: They're people that are let's say that maybe work their 152 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 5: lives to death to the point where they're like, Okay, 153 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 5: I'm finally going to go do something nice for myself, 154 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 5: and they reward themselves with this dream card that they saw. 155 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: In a seventies movie. It's nice. It's actually it's fun to. 156 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 5: Have, let's call it, something that challenges you instead of 157 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 5: just riding your own path. 158 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: Do you see, Hannah, the old Lamborghini's going for anywhere 159 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: close to older Ferraris Well. 160 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: Not yet. But I have to say some of the 161 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: coon Tashes, especially, we wrote about one recently that was 162 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: just sold. It was in the Wolf of Wall Street. 163 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: The white one. By the way, Doug DeMuro. Doug DeMuro 164 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: just bought a white Cuontash, which. 165 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: Is kind of insane. Yeah, I think they're holding their value. 166 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: They're slowly getting up there. They're certainly over a million 167 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: dollars in value, and I see that continuing. I mean, 168 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: I don't know what you think, Chazy, but yeah. 169 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: Remember when Matt Farah bought one, and I thought, like, 170 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: first of all, how is Matt Farrah? 171 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, no dig. 172 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 2: At him because I'm about the same size. How's he 173 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: going to fit into a coon tash? 174 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: You know? 175 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Jason, you would have trouble fitting into 176 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: an old Cuontash as well, right, And I heard they 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: drive horrorbly but Doug says. 178 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: Well, they are tractors. Let's not forget. I mean, they 179 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: are tractors. This is a classic case. I think of 180 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: you never sometimes never want to meet your car heroes 181 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: and buy car heroes. I mean the cars you had 182 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 3: on the poster on your bedroom wall. Yeah, sometimes you 183 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: don't actually want to drive them because they drive like 184 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: a truck or a tractor. And that's just the truth. 185 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: Keep it, keep it the dream, keep it that. I 186 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: mean absolutely. 187 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: I can tell you that I spent some time in 188 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: those cars and they do drive like you said. 189 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 2: I will tell you something really cool happened to me 190 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: so famously, Ferruccio Lamborghini got into a fight with Enzo 191 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: about the clutch in the Ferraris that kept breaking, and 192 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: then Ferruccio found out that Enzo was using the same 193 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: clutches that Lamborghini was buying for its tractors, and then 194 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 2: he made his own car. 195 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: So a couple of years ago I was. 196 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: In the Motor Valley and Motor No they do this 197 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 2: Motor Valley thing where they bring together all the car 198 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: makers and they have dinners and they have a car 199 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 2: show and stuff. And I saw Tamaso Lamborghini standing by 200 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: an old, like nineteen fifties Ferrari and I walked over 201 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: to him and I said, yeah, I heard the clutches 202 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: in these things suck. 203 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: He found it amusing. 204 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 4: I'd hope you would provoke a smile. Yeah. 205 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: So in terms of old cars, I've never been one 206 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 2: to buy like I always wanted to have an old 207 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: collector car, and I've never pulled the trigger because I thought, 208 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm into muscle cars really, so I might as well 209 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: buy a new muscle car that has the crash protection. 210 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: I'm a dad, you know, so I want safety and 211 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: stuff and the driveability of it. But Hannah, you boring. 212 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: You have succumb and bought a couple. You have what 213 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: a C three Corvette? Yeah, an old Rolls Royce, like 214 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: seventies early seventies Rolls Royce. 215 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: Yes, I've got access to quite a few. 216 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: Isn't it like deadly expensive to get these things fixed? 217 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: Certainly the Rolls Royce must be prohibitively. 218 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: Well, look, there's that famous saying there's nothing as expensive 219 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: as a cheap Rolls Royce, by which they mean you 220 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: can pick up an old silver shadow. I've got a 221 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: silver shadow. You can old pick up an old silver 222 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: shadow for under twenty thousand dollars. But you know the 223 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 3: costs of fixing the hydraulic brakes, and you know the 224 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: alternator continually going on the fritz is can be expensive. 225 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: It can be a dysfunctional relationship. And I had a 226 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: really good run driving a sort of a combination of 227 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 3: a couple different old Rolls Royses in the corvette, and 228 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: yesterday on the way to work, I did have a 229 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 3: failed to proceed in the Rolls Royce, which was really annoying. 230 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: And I think it was an alternator issue because the 231 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: car ran fine started fine. I pulled off to get coffee, 232 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 3: and when I went back to make the rest of 233 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: the way to the work, it didn't start dead battery, 234 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: So I think it's an alternator issue. It was getting 235 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: like eleven volts when it should be getting like thirteen. 236 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: But it's annoying. It's annoying, it's painful. I had to 237 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: wait for someone to jump me and then you'd switch 238 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: out battery. But all that to say, I think the 239 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: world would be a better place if everybody drove old cars. 240 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 3: It forces you to drive slower, it makes you appreciate 241 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: mechanical engineering, and it just is it's more beautiful. 242 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: Have you ever had experience with old cars or old bikes? 243 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 5: Definitely, I mean I went down both of those paths, 244 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 5: and then I got to a certain point in my 245 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 5: life where I decided I had little time to fiddle 246 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 5: and I just want to ride and drive. I'm an 247 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 5: old Volkswagen guy, not just not just because of the company, 248 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 5: but first car was a seventy one square back. I 249 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 5: love that car to death, and I still even romanticize 250 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: me and I'm on, bring a trailer and all these 251 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 5: other things to like wait to see if the perfect 252 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 5: one pops up, which is completely insane, like there's no 253 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 5: reason I need that car, but if the right one 254 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 5: shows up, baby blue seventy one, then I'm there, And 255 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 5: so there is a fondness. 256 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 4: But I do feel as though that like I would have. 257 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: A moment of realizing I probably shouldn't have done it, 258 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 5: probably shouldn't have met my hero. 259 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 4: Same thing with like an old nine fourteen, which was. 260 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 5: The first car I ever went over one hundred miles 261 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 5: an hour in, and so's it's burned into my brain. Wow, 262 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 5: you know, you lean over as a seven year old 263 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 5: kid and look at the dash and you see the 264 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 5: needle buried at one hundred and you're like holding on 265 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 5: for beer life in a nine fourteen. 266 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: Yes, that feet's quite that's a feat. 267 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: It was. 268 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 5: It was rattling, but it was so exhilarating. I mean, 269 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 5: and that immediately I knew I was hooked on speed, 270 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 5: Like I mean, that was where I. 271 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: Feel like Bring a Trailer has really revived. This is 272 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: another thing that the collector. I was talking to Philip Richter. 273 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 2: He was saying, Bring a Trailer has really done a 274 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: lot for the collector car market. 275 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: It's unbelievable what Randy Knaudenberg, who's the founder of Bring 276 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 3: a Trailer has done. They just actually released an app finally, 277 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 3: but last year they did like one point three billion 278 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: dollars in sales. It's unbelievable. And they forced every other 279 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: major auction house to start selling online and to start 280 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: having these online auctions that they never did before because 281 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 3: people kind of realized, oh, I don't have to drive 282 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: a car to buy it. And I think Bring a 283 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 3: Trailer is done a really good job of being very transparent. 284 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 3: You know what you're getting. It's so fun to read 285 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 3: the comments, even if you're not bidding. It's so addicting. 286 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 3: I admit I'm on it under a different name just 287 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: because I want to read the comments and you know, 288 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 3: follow along on my jer I do, I do it. 289 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: It's hilarious. 290 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 3: It's so fun. Yeah, they it's unbelievable what they've done, 291 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: and they forced all the other auction houses to so. 292 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: I like the the retro releases. Like my favorite Mustang 293 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: is like a twenty twelve Boss Rio two that obviously 294 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: I bought the Challenger, which is an homage. One of 295 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 2: my favorite motorcycles is the Sport Classic, which, by the way, Jason, 296 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: that was a motorcycle that didn't really sell for Dukati 297 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: at the time, and now you can't find one for 298 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: less than like twenty grand. And I'm talking about not 299 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: the small Paul Smart, but you can't even find a 300 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: regular one with like fifteen thousand miles on it for 301 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: less than twenty gree Everybody wants one of those. Why 302 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: why don't you guys do something like that again? 303 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 5: I mean, simply put, we're that that is a bike 304 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 5: that was kind of it was an extension of what 305 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 5: we did with the MHE nine hundred E. The Mike 306 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 5: Hale would inspire replica and then the idea was, wow, 307 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 5: this was so good. We saw two thousand of them 308 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 5: right away in your two thousand of its first time 309 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 5: that we did an online sale of a motorcycle. We're like, oh, 310 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: let's extend this. And we were too early. We were 311 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 5: too early for this trend of the classics. There's been 312 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 5: discussion internally a Ducatti about like resurrecting the KI. 313 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: After that, the R nine T. 314 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: After that came the triumphs I. 315 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 5: Created a It created an entire trend of those motorcycles, 316 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 5: and actually really interesting to your point, we actually did 317 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 5: really well for the first couple of years of selling them. 318 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 5: In then the third and the fourth year of the bike, 319 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 5: it just was like, okay, we're a little longer. The 320 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 5: tooth one thing happened. We loaned the motorcycle for the 321 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 5: launch for the New Tron movie, and as a result, 322 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 5: it just created this really cool buzz that all these 323 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 5: people who didn't know about the bike, all of a 324 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: sudden the wind Saw Tron were like, okay, I need it, 325 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 5: and that that single handedly drove the prices up. 326 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: I like the first one which had the yellow and 327 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: the single shock in the back, and then the Tron 328 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: was the black one with no faring. But then then 329 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: you had the sport version with the fairing, the red 330 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: one with it. I love all those, and the Paul 331 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: Smart those are great. All right, let's move on to 332 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: another topic. I want to talk about the ultra expensive vehicles, 333 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 2: one of which handle you're driving, and one of which, 334 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: well even on another level of expensive, is the Remac, 335 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: which made has made so many records. 336 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: Tell us about the weird record that you. 337 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: I mean, you messaged me about this last night and 338 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: I told my wife I couldn't believe it. 339 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: It's kind of wild. So yesterday in Germany, Remac set 340 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: a Guinness Book of World Records for going in reverse 341 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 3: for top speed in reverse. Do you want to guess 342 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: what the top speed was? 343 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say, like seventy miles an hour. 344 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: One hundred and seventy one miles per hour in reverse, 345 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: which is kind of it's ridiculous. It sounds so stupid 346 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: and silly, but it's also kind of cool. 347 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: It sounds very unsafe to me. 348 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: I need to know more about it. I should say. 349 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: Rimac has plenty of speed records. They have like twenty 350 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: speed records going forward, so they're obviously very legit. This 351 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: is like, this is the record, I guess you go 352 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 3: for after you've already set the world record for an 353 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: electric car, which they do have, and you know going 354 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: forward there I think the world records at two hundred 355 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: and fifty six miles an hour, which is phenomenal, doesn't 356 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: beat the Bugatti Sharon, but for an electric vehicle, it's 357 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 3: the record. But yeah, this reverse record, it's weird, weird, 358 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 3: bit cool. I'd say, I. 359 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: Just don't love electric cars. 360 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: I have to say I've been thinking about it so 361 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: much recently because I've driven some that have impressed me. 362 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: The Mercedes, especially the Gle, but most of them, like 363 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 2: the kind of speed that you get is amazing, but 364 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel that great, right. I haven't driven to Rimac, 365 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: but I've driven the Cairne and it's awesome. 366 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: It's like earth shattering. 367 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the Rimac. Honestly, I really liked it when 368 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 3: I drove it. I think Rimek as a company is fascinating. 369 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: Mate Rimac, the founder, is sort of the anti Elon Musk. 370 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: He is very young, he's Croatian, He's received millions of 371 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: dollars in funding from Portia and also now he's leading Bugatti. 372 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: He's a genius, I should say too. This afternoon, I'm 373 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: going to be driving the Batista Peninfarina, which is another 374 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: electric vehicle that is powered by Rimac automotive batteries. So 375 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: Rimac actually has their hands in a lot of some 376 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 3: of these supercars. And I actually did like how the 377 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 3: Navara drove. I thought it was really nimble, really elegant, 378 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 3: obviously extremely fast, and the interior I thought was very 379 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 3: well done. You know, we're used to seeing a lot 380 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: of these electric cars with very shoddy interiors that almost 381 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: feel like an afterthought, but the Nevara they really pulled 382 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 3: it off. I think Rimac is doing a lot of 383 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 3: things right. They're a lot more conservative in running their 384 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 3: mouths promising things they can't deliver, and that seems to 385 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: be rare among some of these electric startup companies. I'm 386 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: not going to name any other names, but you can 387 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: fill in the blanks. So yeah, I just think it's cool. 388 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: I think Rimac is you know, they're they're having fun. 389 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: I saw their team. I talked to Mate in August 390 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: and Pebble Beach and he is just very humble. He's 391 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 3: a family man. He leads a quiet life. 392 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: Well, because I was wondering if if you've got him 393 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: on any bikes, Jason, have you ever given him Oh. 394 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 5: Not that I'm aware of, but it could only I 395 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 5: can only imagine what that could do. 396 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, by the way, electric motorcycle. 397 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: I was just going to ask, Yeah. 398 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 4: That's the million dollar question, isn't it. It's a really 399 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: interesting thing. 400 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 5: At the end of the day, people are asking us, 401 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 5: when is Ducatti building an electric motorcycle. 402 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: Good news, as we have in Moto GP or MotoE. 403 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 4: We actually there's sole. 404 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 5: Supplier of the motorcycle for that series, and it's one 405 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 5: of the things that we know that eventually we're going 406 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 5: to have to get there. But the battery technology right 407 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 5: now is really really challenging for motorcycles because you don't 408 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 5: have the same energy density as you do with an 409 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 5: internal combustion engine, and unlike automotive where you have the 410 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 5: opportunity to put the weight down on the floor and floorboards, 411 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 5: with motorcycling, where are you going to go? 412 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: You're going up. And we did this analysis. 413 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 5: A couple of years ago where let's call it our 414 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 5: middleweight sport bike, the Pentagony V two at the time. 415 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 5: In order for us to deliver the same sort of 416 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 5: performance and the same sort of range for that motorcycle, 417 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 5: it would practically be double in weight. And we're talking 418 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 5: double in waight all of a sudden, what's an important 419 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 5: characteristic of Dukati. 420 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 4: It's the hand and you just throw that away if 421 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: you double the weight. 422 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 2: I also liked, you know, the acceleration. I love the breaking, 423 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 2: I like the design. I love the build quality. 424 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: Is there anything you don't love that? 425 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: Jason Channa, you are the CEO of Ducatti North America. 426 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 2: You guys have released a string of bikes, some of 427 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 2: which I find absolutely fascinating. So let's just run through 428 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: the real quick starting with a SUPERMANO, because that's to me, 429 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: an amazing opportunity. 430 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: You can get now girls. 431 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: And guys out on a Dukatti doing supermoto for real, 432 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: and like, what's the genesis of this bike? How did 433 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: you come to do it after not having done a 434 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 2: single cylinder or motorcycle for so long? 435 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's it's a really interesting thing because 436 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 5: you know, we have the history of a Supermano engine, 437 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 5: which which is basically a seven forty nine many years 438 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 5: ago at one of our motorcycles that we lobbed one 439 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 5: of the cylinders. 440 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: I keep calling it Supermano, but you have a different 441 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: name for it. 442 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: Back then it was the Supermano. 443 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 5: But we actually the model itself is the it's basically 444 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 5: the super Mono, the super quadr Mono. 445 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 4: And the reason why is because the over square engine. 446 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 5: What we did is we took half of a Pentagley 447 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 5: twelve ninety nine, which was the pinnacle of the V 448 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 5: two engines for us, and once again we took a 449 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 5: cylinder off. 450 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 4: We took the horizontal. 451 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 5: Cylinder off of the motorcycle and kept the vertical and 452 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 5: then made sure to balance it out right. And we 453 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 5: have a motorcycle that when the engine is mounted into 454 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: the chassis's three hundred and thirty three pounds and it 455 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 5: will be delivering almost seventy five horsepower seventy four point 456 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 5: five and with a full race exhaust system that you're 457 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 5: only going to use for the track, of course, of course. 458 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 3: I mean, Jason, I'm curious you said earlier that you 459 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: know it's inevitable that you guys will do an electric bike. 460 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: But why? My question is why? 461 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 4: Why? 462 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 5: Because that's part of it is to do with our 463 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 5: requirements as a manufacturer being part of this larger group. 464 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 5: But we're not specifically set on electric, just so to 465 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 5: be clear, like, our objective here isn't to build an 466 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 5: electric motorcycle. That's not the box that we're checking. We're 467 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: checking the box of how do we reduce our carbon footprint? 468 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 5: Simply how do we be a responsible sustainable company in 469 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 5: terms of what product we're bringing to market? And electric 470 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 5: is one of the boxes. It's one of the areas 471 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 5: for us to look. It seems to be the one 472 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 5: that's getting the most attention, so we have to pay 473 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 5: attention to it. 474 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 3: Are people asking for it? 475 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 476 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: No? 477 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: No, Yeah, they're not. They're not. They're not. 478 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 5: And that's that's that's actually a point that seems to 479 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 5: be not wanting. 480 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: People don't want to discuss that point. 481 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: But maybe they will after MotoE, you know, because the 482 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: Desmo Sudici was only in race form until people ask 483 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: for it for. 484 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: So many for so long that you had to finally 485 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: put it out well. 486 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 5: And that's part of our strategy in terms of moto e, 487 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 5: is like, if we're going to do this, we're going 488 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 5: to do it at the highest level, and we're going 489 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 5: to use that as an opportunity to be a real 490 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 5: world R and D lab. I mean, that's and that's 491 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 5: what we're getting out of it. We're starting to set 492 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 5: times that are actually in line with what we used 493 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 5: to do in World Superbike and so we're close using 494 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 5: the gap. But what better lab to be able to 495 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 5: experience that and find a way for it to trickle 496 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 5: down to the final consumer. But to your point, kind 497 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 5: of like we're also looking at other technologies. For example, 498 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 5: simple things that have been done in automotive for years 499 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 5: but it's never been applied to motorcycling, like cylinder deactivation 500 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 5: like the V. 501 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: Four, the rear bank of cylinders. 502 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 5: You know, whether you're at low RPMs when you're riding 503 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 5: in town or you're at low RPMs when you're out 504 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 5: on the open highway and you're just not cracking on 505 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 5: the motor, the bank of real cylinders will deactivate, and 506 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 5: actually it's definitely good for a heat transfer for fuel reduction. 507 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 5: So there's those sorts of things we're looking at. Also 508 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 5: alternative fuels, which we know Moto GP is going to 509 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 5: be going to one hundred percent alternative fuels in a 510 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 5: couple of years, and so that's an area that we're 511 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: looking at as well. So I think there is that 512 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 5: area of us being a big company, let's say big 513 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 5: in terms of our world, and trying to find a 514 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 5: way to be responsible and actually what we're doing and 515 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 5: bringing new product to market, and so this is something 516 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 5: that this is why E is deaf. 517 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 4: One of the solutions there's. 518 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: By the way, the cylinder bank activate deactivation, which happens 519 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: on most of the Maulti stratas, I think does not 520 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: happen on the new multi strata on the RS, the 521 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: V four RS, because that goes back to the Desmo 522 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: dramaic valves, which I'm so pumped about. 523 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: And I have had three multi stratas. 524 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: Twins, and I was waiting to get the V four 525 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: until they put a smaller front tire on it, which 526 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: they did at the Pike's Peak last year. And then 527 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: I told Jason at one point like, but I want 528 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: Desmo Drama Valves on it, and he was like, wait 529 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 2: till next year. 530 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so little Birdie, Yeah, that's. 531 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: Great, and I'm pretty excited about that. 532 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 5: And you know, of course it's not I'm not a 533 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 5: sales prevention officer. I'm not going to tell somebody to 534 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 5: not buy a motorcycle. But I also know that I 535 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 5: will be hearing it for a long time if he 536 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 5: went out and got the Pike's Peak. Yeah, and then 537 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 5: the RS came a couple months later. 538 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 2: So tell us about the new Panagali that you put 539 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: out as an homage to the nine sixteen. And a 540 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: lot of people will say that the nine sixteen is 541 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful motorcycles ever penned. But I 542 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: think it didn't even have a hundred horsepower, right, and 543 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: this one's going to have basically two. 544 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 5: Well, the original nine sixteen was just bumping right about 545 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 5: above a hundred, just barely. Yeah, but this thing is 546 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 5: it is perfectly put as an homage to the original 547 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 5: nine sixteen for a matter of recognizing its place and history. 548 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 5: For Jakati, one of the most iconic motorcycle designs ever. 549 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 5: In fact, if you ever typed google the word superbike, 550 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 5: usually the nine sixteen is what comes to mind right away. 551 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 5: And it was important for us to celebrate that because 552 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 5: part of our heritage is actually a really important part 553 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 5: of who we are and what we've done, and especially 554 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 5: as we look at the current design of the motorcycle 555 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 5: that we have today with the Pentagali V four series. 556 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 5: I mean, the ability to find that livery and to 557 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 5: be able to connect it with that model and then 558 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 5: speck it out with all of the best stuff I mean, 559 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 5: from the carbon fiber wheels to the dry clutch, but 560 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 5: things that are actually a real world I had actually 561 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 5: a client texting me last night as I was flying 562 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 5: into New York, asking me should I get it? Should 563 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 5: I get it? 564 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 4: Should I like? Do you love it? Yes? Okay, then 565 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 4: you get it? 566 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 5: And that's what it inspires those people that are serious 567 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 5: collectors to get it. And actually, right now, I could say, 568 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 5: as of today, because I checked with my sales team, 569 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 5: we've sold out of a North American production of this 570 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 5: motorcycle or allocation gone in one day. 571 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: That's good for you, but depressing for those of us 572 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: who haven't ordered one yet. 573 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: Sorry, Matt, I'll get you on the list, all right. 574 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: So I'm very excited about all that. There's a new 575 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: bike coming. There's one more new bike that you guys 576 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: had to premiere in December, and I don't know what 577 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 2: it is, but I remember one time when I met 578 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 2: Magnus Walker. I think we were in Geneva or maybe 579 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: in Frankfort at a Lamborghini unveiling. You had put a 580 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: bike out that was like unveiled at the same time 581 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 2: as a Lamborghini, and they had kind of the same 582 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: livery and it was so cool, And that partnership makes 583 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 2: a lot of sense to me. 584 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: Because it's Italian. Yeah, it's Italian. 585 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 2: They're both like in Bologna basically, and I just get it. 586 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: But this next bike you're gonna put out as a 587 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: collab and what is not with Lamborghini. 588 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 4: It's not with Lamborghini. 589 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 5: And it's definitely a departure from what people would maybe 590 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 5: normally expect. There's some collaborations where you it's an obvious, right, 591 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 5: it's a gimme. This one is a bit of a 592 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 5: stretch for us. But it's actually, like I said, I've 593 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 5: to you earlier. I've seen the bike in person. It's 594 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 5: just beautiful, elegant, the perfect collaboration, and we're going to 595 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 5: be hosting it at Art Basel in Miami the first 596 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 5: week of December, so that's where we're going to unveil 597 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 5: this motorcycle. And I think that there's a great opportunity 598 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 5: for us to be able to reach actually a little 599 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 5: bit of a different audience with this, and that's the 600 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 5: one thing that as a brand, we're always trying to do. 601 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 5: How do we stretch but stay true to who we 602 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 5: are And part of it. 603 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 4: Is the design. 604 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 5: And I can tell you that our design team, Andre Feridasi, 605 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 5: along with the other designers from the other company, worked 606 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 5: very closely on the details of this motorcycle to bring 607 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 5: something to market that I think will be a bit unexpected. 608 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: You mentioned reaching an audience. This is a self serving 609 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: question because I'm going to get a Scrambler full throttle 610 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: in a couple weeks to try. I have to imagine 611 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 3: that the Scrambler is your best selling bike. Is that true? 612 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: I mean, Matt has all of his fancy, expensive, extremely 613 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 3: powerful bikes, but honestly, I love the Scrambler. 614 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: Agreed, totally agree. 615 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 3: Is that actually your best selling model is that when 616 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 3: people think of Doucati, is that what they actually think about. 617 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 5: Actually, No, the Scrambler had when it first came out. 618 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: It was part of this kind of on the tail 619 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 5: end of this trend of postmodern heritage influenced motorcycles, and 620 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 5: it did very very well for us, and consistently it 621 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 5: does well. But it's very interesting to see that since 622 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 5: the shift of the pandemic in the motorcycling market, we've 623 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 5: really seen a lot of our growth in terms of 624 00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 5: our volumes and improfit going to our higher end product. 625 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: And the Scrambler has been great because it allows access 626 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 5: and intrigue to Dukati into the entire world of Dukatti, 627 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 5: but through let's say, something that's unintimidating and fun. I 628 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 5: personally still have my Scrambler desert sled I've had for 629 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 5: five years now, and I get on it and I 630 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 5: ride it, and I love it. Eight hundred cc air cooled, 631 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 5: you know, it's seventy something horse power. 632 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 4: It's just fun and fun. 633 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that simplicity of riding is it reminds me 634 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 5: what got me into motorcycling in the first place. 635 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 4: But then of course, I like to. 636 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 5: Get on a multi strata before rally and crack the 637 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 5: throttle triple digits on open roads. So it's great that 638 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 5: we have that broad breadth of product that allows people 639 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: to find their way into Dukati as well. So and 640 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 5: the next these current versions of the next gen Scrambler 641 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 5: have been spectacular for us because we've been able to 642 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 5: add a lot of the technology to the motorcycles, making 643 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 5: them i'd say definitely safer, more easily accessibly, more approachable 644 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 5: riding modes and all of this stuff, but still have 645 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 5: that kind of classic design that's been a little bit 646 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 5: more modernized. 647 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: I love that. It's interesting that you say, really, your 648 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: business is showing growth in the more expensive things, because 649 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 3: that's the same exact with automakers. I mean, they are 650 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 3: just it's like price isn't really a consideration. If you're 651 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: over a certain threshold of what the MSRP is, it 652 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,719 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter to the people who are I mean 653 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: it does, but that's not going to be the prohibiting 654 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: factor for the metal. 655 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 4: You're absolutely right. 656 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 5: In fact, this is something that we have engineered by 657 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 5: design in North America as well, because we see the 658 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 5: opportunity we see that as being a differentiator for us 659 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 5: and as a brand. When we do that, we actually 660 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 5: are more profitable and we get to make investments back 661 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 5: into the client experiences. And at the end of the day, 662 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 5: there's a lot of great motorcycles out there, but what 663 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 5: do people want? They want stuff to do with their motorcycles, right, Like, Okay, 664 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 5: I'm biased, Matt. You're probably a little biased about the 665 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 5: greatest motorcycles in the world. But it doesn't mean anything 666 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 5: unless you have something to do with it. So we 667 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 5: have been really investing on creating experiences for these clients 668 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 5: that beyond just you own it and you get a 669 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 5: look out of the garage, which is definitely an ownership experience, 670 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 5: isn't it. Yeah, that's to open the door and go, 671 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 5: oh yeah, But what do you actually do with it? 672 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 4: And that is what people are looking for. That's what 673 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 4: really matters, and that brings substance to the ownership experience. 674 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: Jason has been great having you here with us in 675 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: the studio. Thanks so much for joining us. Jason Chennik 676 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: is the CEO of Ducati North America. And we didn't 677 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: get to the my box because Hannah is driving. I 678 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: don't know which one but a my bock and I 679 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: wanted to get her take on it. But Hannah, at 680 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: some point you're going to write a story about it, right. 681 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have the review in a couple of weeks. 682 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: It's the Mercedes my Box GLS six hundred. It's their big, 683 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 3: big expensive suv and it's it is kind of fabulous, 684 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 3: So look forward to that in a couple of weeks. 685 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: You can read all of my coverage on Bloomberg at 686 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Pursuits and follow me on Instagram at Hannah Elliott XL. 687 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: You can follow me on Instagram as well at Matt 688 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: Miller nineteen seventy three. And you can watch me on 689 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Television every day one pm. You can listen to 690 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: me on Bloomberg Radio every day from ten to one. 691 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: We're also on YouTube. And one other cool thing is 692 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: that the Bloomberg Business App is now available on Apple 693 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: CarPlay and Android Auto, which is super cool because you 694 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: have it in your dashboard and you can click on 695 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: any of the podcasts or any of the live programs 696 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: as well. Thanks very much for listening. We'll be back 697 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: next week, same time, same place. I'm Matt Miller. 698 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 3: I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Bloomberg.