WEBVTT - Imploded Democracy 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:19.400 me your Girl, Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.040 the Brooklyn Cilarium. Folks, I am taking a little bit 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.439 of a break this week, but don't you worry. You 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.240 will be set up with brand new shows all week 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:35.879 long because you're worth it. Um. You know, it strikes 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.680 me that this week I just want you all to 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:44.440 wrap your mind around this. This week is eleven months 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:50.680 since the insurrection. When the calendar year changes, we will 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:55.960 be looking at the one year anniversary of an attempt 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:01.680 to overthrow the government. And I don't know about you, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.600 but I sure as hell don't feel like our Department 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:13.759 of Justice, this administration, the legal system in general right 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.080 have done their due diligence and operated with a sense 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:24.560 of fucking urgency that an attempt to overthrow the government 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:31.280 and any other goddamnation would have received. When I announced 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:38.360 and shared with you all the fact that IDA a 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:43.960 nonpartisan organization, international organization that has been following for decades 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.960 democracies that are in danger, that are struggling or numbering 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.160 the amount of autocracies and authoritarian and dictator regimes that 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.360 are around the globe because it signals there are red 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.760 flags and alarms that go off when you realize that 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.360 there is a global shift that is happening. It isn't 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.000 just something that is happening in the United States. But 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.240 when this organization that has been doing this type of 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:13.160 research for decades, for the first time ever names the 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.960 United States of America as a backsliding democracy and it 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:22.840 is not receiving wall to wall fucking media coverage the 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:27.120 way that every cable outlet gave to Trump for free 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.840 when he was a candidate, and then continued to do 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:38.600 so after he became president, and even still was spreading racism, xenophobia, misogyny, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.720 you name it, he was doing it, and they still 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:48.040 gave him airtime. But when an international organization that labels 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:55.400 right democracies authoritarian political regimes around the world says that 0:02:55.480 --> 0:03:02.520 in twenty nineteen, it became apparent that the United States 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:08.359 was visibly deteriorating, that is what the report said. Again, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:13.720 you would think that alarm bells would be sounding, that 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:20.880 there would be some type of, you know, force behind 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:26.240 this administration to not only fucking roll out policy, which 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.200 is important and I'm not saying that it isn't. But 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:33.040 what difference does it matter if we are building bridges 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.480 and fixing subways, if we are living in a fascist regime. 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:42.120 What difference does it make right if we are talking 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.880 about structures when the actual foundation of our democracy is 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.640 crumbling underneath our feet, and no one seems to really 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.760 give a shit that they still want to believe that 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.440 we're going to have a functional midterm election. I want 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.520 to tell I want to alert you all to something 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:06.960 that I came across on Friday of last week, and 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.680 it was tweeted out by the president of the NAACP 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:22.200 Legal Defense Fund, Cherylyn Eiffel Folks RNDA Santis the death Santis, 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:28.960 the governor of Florida, is looking into and has made 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:40.000 suggestions around creating a civilian army that only he would control. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.760 That would be the Florida Army that would not, as 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:55.720 he stated, be encumbered by Pentagon oversight. He rolled this 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.080 out in a way that one if they wanted to 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.000 not pay attention to anything that has been going on 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:08.440 in Red States since twenty twenty and before that, right 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.840 with Donald Trump at the helm. He says that in 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:21.159 order to combat increasing hurricanes and storms, that we need 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.880 essentially our own army and battalion. But then he also 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:33.080 said that we need this as protection against the federal 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:39.640 government against a kind of socialist right what he alluded 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:49.920 to regime Ron DeSantis is saying out loud what all 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.760 of us have been saying who have been paying attention 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:59.560 to the fact that these motherfuckers want a civil war. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.080 This is why they are hailing the Kyle rittenhouses of 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:09.600 the world, because they are hopeful that with an acquittal 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.679 right with a non not guilty wasn't even an acquittal 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.479 with a not guilty verdict for murdering two people and 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:23.600 wounding a third, that they can begin to recruit right 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:29.440 these people to bear arms and take up arms against 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.200 their own country. They are telling you with over three 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.680 hundred voter suppression laws that are at four hundred by 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:43.480 some calculations at this point in the past fucking year. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.560 On top of four hundred voter suppression laws, now you 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.080 have a governor of one of the largest states in 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.920 the country saying that he wants to build his own 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.560 army that only he will control, that he can then 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:07.640 deploy said army against our national army and troops. I 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:12.480 want you to wrap your fucking minds around this. Eleven 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:17.080 months after we had an insurrection where these people who 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:24.880 actively beat, terrorized and killed members of the police, which 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.280 they want a chant blue lives matter until blue lives 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:33.000 are inconveniently in their way of hanging. The vice president right, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.920 have received months in prison, maybe a couple of years. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:43.640 And now you have a governor that is telling you 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.880 that he's going to build his own army. Who what 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.320 do you think is going to happen next? Right? What 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:54.000 do you think that is going to happen in Georgia? Right? 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:58.600 And in Texas? And all of those people that wanted 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.559 to play G I Joe on one six right, many 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:08.840 of which we learned were former or current military, former 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:16.840 or current police, who are just itching to take up 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.400 their arms, take up their arsenals, and take down as 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.880 many people as they possibly can. And then they will say, well, 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.200 we were acting on what orders from I guess what, 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:38.400 Ron de Santis, the president of Florida. This is where 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:43.640 this shit is headed. And you know, I continue, people 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.600 are like, no, the Supreme Court's not going to take 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.720 away Brown versus the Board of Education, when in fact, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:55.200 in her fucking confirmation hearing, Amy COVID, Barrett made mention 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.680 to the fact that Brown versus the Board of Education 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:03.840 wasn't settled law. The law that desegregated schools in the 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:09.880 United States, she believes, is not settled law. So if 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.360 you're looking at the actions being taken by the Supreme Court, 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.920 because you're paying attention to what Gorsich and Kavanaugh and 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:25.440 Roberts and COVID are saying, and then you're looking at 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.960 now the announcement that Ron DeSantis is making in Florida, 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.280 and then you take into consideration all of the voter 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.280 suppression laws. I mean, my god, it is not a 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:43.280 backsliding democracy. It is not a democracy. We are headed 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:49.200 into minority rule in this country. This is American apartheid 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:53.000 that they are setting up where you will have no 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:59.880 legal fucking recourse because they have bought all of the judges. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:05.400 So just again, take a big picture look at what 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.120 has been set up since early two thousands, since the 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:15.319 Obama error. You had Mitch McConnell hold a Supreme Court 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.480 seat hostage and say that he's going to make this 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.240 president a one term president. He holds a Supreme Court 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:27.440 seat hostage four nine months without any fight back, pushback 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.280 or legal action taken by the Obama administration. They just 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:37.680 shrug and fucking take it. Then you have the installation 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:43.840 right of a Donald Trump who stole the twenty sixteen 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:48.679 election because don't make me believe right that Putin and 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.560 others who we learned did in fact interfere with the election, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:59.280 didn't place Donald Trump in power to begin with, right, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:05.600 So that's number two. Then you have number three, with 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:12.480 three hundred federal judges being planted around the country by 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.240 Mitch McConnell, many of which who I continue to say 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:20.559 the American Bar Association said they were unqualified for these 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.800 lifetime positions, and there are folks as young as thirty 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:29.520 fucking five that received those appointments. Ask me how many 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:33.280 fucking federal judges Biden has sat as we get ready 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.800 to come up upon the first year of his administration. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:46.680 You have that, Then you have a global health pandemic 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.000 where you have a party that has become a pro 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.959 virus death cult. So that's going to continue to run rampant. 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.439 And now we have a new variant that we need 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.720 to wait about four to six weeks to figure out 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.800 if it's going to be more deadly, more transmissible, if 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.439 it's going to evade the vaccines, if you're going to 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.080 need to get a booster now every fucking six months, 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:14.320 every four months, who knows. But this is all a 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:19.080 part of the Republican master plan and to make just 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.040 to put insult to injury, Mitch McConnell then turns around 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:27.280 and announces, guess what, Republicans don't have a platform for 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.560 the midterm elections. They have no policies that they're going 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.960 to offer. I want you to understand that Republicans haven't 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.280 offered a policy to the American people, any type of 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.959 legislative agenda. I don't even know if they did so 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:45.920 in twenty sixteen. So we're going into what four five 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.640 six years of Republicans being like, well, our base doesn't 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.280 give a fuck about policy. They don't care about what 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.000 is being provided by the federal government. They're only focused 0:12:56.080 --> 0:13:02.320 on what is being taken away. So when we get 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:07.920 news right of the likes of Jeffrey Clark, who's an 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.560 official in the Department of Justice who wrote a memo 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:16.760 to undermine the election, he essentially was the white collar 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:22.400 worker working to undermine the election and have it have 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:28.040 it thrown out. While their minions were using flagpoles and 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:33.079 hockey sticks to beat down the walls of the Capitol Building. Now, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.319 Geoffrey Clark, according to our friend Glenn Kushner, who we 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.400 will hear from in a little bit, is on the 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:44.400 verge of pleading the fifth as to not incriminate himself. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:49.360 But we've all seen the letters that he put out 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:54.920 in battleground states because Donald Trump said, we just need 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.600 to have, you know, just some suspicion or some doubt 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.640 that there is fought in the election, even though we 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.120 know that there is none, and then my Republican friends 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:11.920 in Congress will handle the rest. Folks. We have all 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.880 of the information very clearly laid out in front of us, 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.880 But we have a toothless and spineless Department of Justice 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.400 and an administration that wants to believe that they're operating 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.880 in the twentieth century instead of recognizing that they are 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.560 no longer working with the Republicans of yesteryear that they 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.480 can debate with ideologically and then go and have drinks 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:42.840 with after. These are people that are sharing images of 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.960 killing another member of Congress. These are people that are 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:53.520 literally stalking their colleagues around the Capitol as a way 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.240 to intimidate and terrorize them. These are people that are 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.800 showing up with guns on their hips. And now you 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:05.520 have a governor who will probably be one if Trump 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.880 doesn't decide to run in twenty twenty four, will probably 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.760 be one of the Republican potential candidates for president, saying 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.000 that he wants to create his own fucking army. But 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.480 we're gonna sit around and debate about the fucking filibuster. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:27.120 That's what we're doing. That only now after we recognize 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.120 that there are but a couple of months until June 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.920 when the decision will come down from the Supreme Court 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.080 that Roe v. Wade is done. Now Democrats want to 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.560 hear and hum about possibly changing the courts. But instead 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.000 of taking action in the way that Republicans continue to 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.080 take action, they're just going to have a conversation about it. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:54.120 I am so fucking sick to death of everything that 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.640 I am seeing take place. I mean, my god, the 0:15:58.760 --> 0:16:02.880 amount of evidence that shows that Donald Trump and every 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.760 single one of his fucking associates is guilty of treason right, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:12.360 among many other things, Glenn will talk to us about 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.680 the fact that, frankly, Donald Trump should have been arrested 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:23.000 on January twenty first, right at five pm when Joe 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.120 Biden became President of the United States, and we already 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.520 had the list of ten obstruction offenses that were laid 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.360 out to us in the Mulla Report that could have 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.280 been just taken to the DJ and said go go 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.360 to town, go do your fucking job. But no, they 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.440 want to preserve an institution, or as Susan Rice told us, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:45.520 they just want to turn the page. You want to 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:52.360 turn the page, read the fucking book. These people are 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.040 going to town on our civil liberties. They are going 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.800 to town on terrorism. They are doubling down on violent 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:05.760 and nothing is coming out in condemnation from the Republican Party. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.359 And all the fucking Democrats are doing is sitting around 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.159 wringing their hands. Are wanting to sell me literally a 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:21.080 fucking bridge. These motherfuckers are stacking up weapons right, they 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:26.800 got itchy trigger fingers. They are celebrating murderers. This is 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.840 only going in one direction, folks. So I don't know 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.560 why we continue to pretend that we have an actual 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.160 functioning democracy. It's not backsliding. It has blown the fuck up. 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:43.320 This is what an implosion looks like. Now we can 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.439 sit around and say, never in my life did I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.520 think that I would get here. But the fact is 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:53.200 we are fucking here. We have a few months before 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:59.000 the United States is in fact Gilead. Right there will 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.040 be about ten or fifteen states maybe that women are 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.280 going to be able to get an abortion in, and 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.479 everywhere else is going to be out ruled in. One 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.959 of the things that I'm saying is that they're not 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.840 stopping at abortion. They are coming for contraception. They are 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.840 going for the board of versus education. They are coming 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:22.679 for marriage equality. At a time when we should be 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.760 innovating and creating and expanding liberties to people, they are 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.800 taking us back. As my friend and co host of Democracy, 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.280 issuewajahat Ali had said this week, they are taking it 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:40.160 back to nineteen fifty three. And we are just going 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.920 to continue to stand around and wait for this political 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.639 party that is in power in the House, in the Senate, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.719 in the White House to do what exactly because I 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:55.199 am telling you, folks, we are just but a few 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.560 more months away from taking to the streets. We are 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:02.400 just but a few more months away for some major 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.199 shit popping off in this country, and not in the 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.080 way that Donald Trump wanted to get people hyped up 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.399 on January six. I'm telling you, we are moments away 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:16.320 from a powder keg fucking exploding over our heads, and 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.240 everybody who has the ability to do something about it 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:24.560 is pretending like they have no power. And I'm saying 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.919 to myself, if this is what it looks like for 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.040 Democrats to be in power, then my god, do they 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:35.440 not deserve it? Because I'm at a point, and I've 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.440 said this before and I'm not mincing words, where I 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.720 am at a point where I believe that this entire 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.359 ship just needs to be burned down so that you 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.199 can create fertile ground and build up something better. We 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.879 are headed into the darkest days of this nation, the 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.720 most violent days of this nation, and I want all 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.040 of us to be vigilant because I want you to 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.840 be safe. I don't want folks caught off guard pretending 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.760 that they didn't know that this could possibly happen, because 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.200 I'm telling you right now, you know the other day, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.840 and I encourage you to head over to my Instagram 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.320 page right at D two cents d e T two 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:17.560 c e nts the same as on Twitter and in 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:22.040 one of the video series that I have done. One 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.440 of them is called what the fuck Happened? And I 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.560 realized the other day that I did a twenty eight 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:35.199 minute recording on January fifth, the night of January fifth, 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.480 before those motherfuckers stormed the Capitol, and I was outraged. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.840 I was outraged at the fact that nobody was doing anything. 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:47.040 That Donald Trump had tweeted that there was going to 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.359 be action that was going to happen, things were going 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.800 to be wild, and they did nothing. And when I 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.600 sat there and I rewatched that video, I'm like, my god. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.200 The FBI, I had been warned, the CIA had been warned, 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.040 the National Guards should have been fucking called in, but no. 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.560 We saw that days after with them sleeping in the 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.920 Capitol building, remember that on shift? But did you see it? 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.760 They had already missed the ship that had actually gone down. Folks, 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:24.120 we are in danger. We are in grave, grave danger. 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.480 And I want you all to prepare for twenty twenty 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.000 two because if you think that what we have seen 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:36.399 was bad, then you ain't seen nothing yet. And this 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:42.320 kind of tepid reaction from the Insurrection Committee, from the administration, 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.720 from the Department of Justice is going to be the 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.600 nail in Democracy's coffin. Coming up next is my conversation 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.880 with our friend MSNBC legal analyst and host of Justice Matters, 0:21:54.160 --> 0:22:01.119 Glenn Kirshner. Folks, I am always so thrilled when I 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:05.480 have the opportunity to sit down with our friend Glenn Kirschner, 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.960 MSNBC Legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters. Glenn, 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:13.679 you know, there has been so much insurrection news, and 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.840 unfortunately the Insurrection Commission and the news that is coming 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.520 out is getting lost with a lot of other news 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:23.800 that we have been following in a lot of other cases. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:27.320 So I want, um, you know, the opportunity for you 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:31.240 to bring us up to speed on some very significant 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:35.480 moves that the Commission has made and suggestions that have 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.320 also been made that we hear. Mark Meadows is finally, 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.320 you know, deciding that he wants to cooperate. I want 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:42.879 to know if that has anything to do with the 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.520 criminal contempt charges being brought against Steve Bannon and other 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:50.880 other things that we are learning about what happened on 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:55.199 that faithful day. So tell us, you know, what is 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:57.240 what is the latest that we need to be paying 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:02.520 attention to. So I think the most important and consequential development, Danielle, 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:07.560 is that one of Donald Trump's high Department of Justice officials, 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:12.000 Jeffrey Clark, is on the eve of invoking his Fifth 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:17.399 Amendment right against self incrimination for corruptly trying to overturn 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:23.000 the elections results. That is earth shaking. And here's why. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.840 You now have one of Donald Trump's men inside the 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:33.560 Department of Justice announcing to the world, if I were 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:38.040 to testify truthfully before the House Select Committee, I would 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:42.159 be incriminating myself. I would be telling everyone that I 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:46.400 committed crimes against the United States to try to undermine 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.840 the elections results. And we all know he did it 0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:53.840 with and for Donald Trump. So in a very real 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:59.720 and provable sense, he's a co conspirator in a conspiracy 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.439 with the Donald Trump to commit offenses against the United States, 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:08.080 which is a precise criminal charge eighteen United States Code, 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:11.680 three seventy one. The reason this is so earth shattering 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.880 is it's the first kind of concrete example showing that 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:21.880 Donald Trump had people inside the Department of Justice committing 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:26.000 federal crimes to try to unlawfully keep him in power. 0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:30.240 The other reason it's really important is because now there 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:35.200 is a conflict that is squarely presented to the Department 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:40.000 of Justice. First of all, they have to criminally investigate 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.560 one of their own who is on the eve of 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:47.360 pleading the Fifth To not for the Department of Justice 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.080 to say, you know what, We're not going to investigate 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:56.159 one of our own high officials would be cronyism at best, 0:24:56.640 --> 0:25:02.600 and it would be deeply sort of corrupt abusive conduct 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:07.680 at worst. They have to investigate this, right. The question 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.040 then becomes, how do they investigate it? What's the vehicle? 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:16.520 Because you know, we don't like to have organizations investigate themselves. 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.040 We see how well that goes with the police departments 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.400 really well, and it would be like, you know, Bill 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.679 Barr looking at his own misconduct and clearing himself of 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:30.359 any wrongdoing. Right, So, I think this moves us pretty 0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:33.960 significantly in the direction of the need for a special counsel. 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:36.960 Let's hope we get there. But I'm telling you this 0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:41.680 is one of the biggest and most ominous developments for 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.840 Donald Trump, that one of his own officials will be 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.359 invoking the Fifth So you know, over the course of 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.880 the Trump administration, we knew that he was working whether 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.520 it was with Sessions over with Barr, to weaponize the 0:25:55.560 --> 0:26:01.720 Department of Justice. But what makes Jeffrey clarks actions so 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:06.840 egregious in compare? Like, I am still wondering why haven't 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:12.280 we seen a charge or subpoena for Bill Barr? Right? Like, 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:17.280 so tell us why what was discovered with Jeffrey Clark 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.160 and what he has been doing, what he did right 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.080 or what he potentially suggested in the letter that he 0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:27.359 wrote that is different than where we have seen Bill 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:31.080 Barr's criminality. Well, first of all, I hope Bill Barr 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.159 is smarter than the Jeffrey Clarks of the world, and 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.280 certainly than the Steve Bannons and Roger Stones of the world. 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:41.320 And I hope Bill Barr is quietly already talking with 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:45.040 the folks who are investigating all of this. We don't know, 0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:49.159 but that maybe one reason we haven't seen subpoenas for 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:53.600 Bill Barr. But setting that aside, what did Jeffrey Clark do? 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.800 What Jeffrey Clark did was in a meeting with Donald 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:00.880 Trump and others, Donald Trump said in sub since look, 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.560 I know there's no fraud, just say there was fraud 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.480 and leave the rest to me and my allies in Congress. 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:12.919 That was an invitation to join the criminal conspiracy to 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.239 overturn the elections results, and Jeffrey Clark took him up 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.879 on it. He accepted Donald Trump's invitation and he joined 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.960 the criminal conspiracy. We know that because he went back 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.240 to the Department of Justice, put his nose to the grindstone, 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:32.119 and started drafting letters to election officials in the battleground states, 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:37.200 giving them a blueprint to corruptly overturn the elections results. 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:41.320 There's a technical term for what Jeffrey Clark did after 0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:45.560 he was invited to join the conspiracy and joined the conspiracy. 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:49.240 It's called an overt act. In order to prove a conspiracy, 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:51.960 you need to prove two or more people agreed to 0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:56.480 commit a crime, but you also need the added element 0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.920 that one of the co conspirators did something that move 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:05.000 the conspiracy in the direction of committing that substance of crime, 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.480 that crime they agreed to commit. That's called an overt act, 0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.080 and to prove a criminal conspiracy you need at least 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:15.680 one overt act. Jeffrey Clark committed that overt act very helpfully. 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:21.240 Because Jeffrey Clark's culpability, his criminal culpability couldn't be more clear, 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:25.320 which is why he's finally doing the smart wise and 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.159 I'm going to say legal thing, which is to invoke 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:32.320 his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, because he assuredly 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.400 has a legitimate Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. So 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:41.200 let me ask this because the letter, the letters that 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:45.360 he put out are in fact public, right, we've seen them. 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.880 So it isn't as if we don't have evidence, right 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.920 that Jeffrey Clark is saying, oh, I didn't write those 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.640 or it was a draft, and so is there let's 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.080 play which I hate to do, Devil's advocate if you 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:05.000 are the defense attorney for a Jeffrey Clark and he's saying, 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:10.040 I'm acting in my official capacity. Because again, moving on 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.360 the big lie, we believed that there was fraud and 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.480 there was all of these things that they have said, 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.240 right in order to create over three hundred voter suppression 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.520 laws around the country in Red States, is there any 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:28.800 justice like not bs justification, but is there a real 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:33.520 justification that a defense attorney could make on Clark's behalf. No, 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:37.600 Because Bill Barr, who was the top dog at the 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:40.960 Department of Justice for better or worse, based on all 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:45.040