1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: me your Girl, Danielle Moody recording Not So Live from 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Cilarium. Folks, I am taking a little bit 4 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: of a break this week, but don't you worry. You 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: will be set up with brand new shows all week 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: long because you're worth it. Um. You know, it strikes 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: me that this week I just want you all to 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: wrap your mind around this. This week is eleven months 9 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: since the insurrection. When the calendar year changes, we will 10 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: be looking at the one year anniversary of an attempt 11 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: to overthrow the government. And I don't know about you, 12 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: but I sure as hell don't feel like our Department 13 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: of Justice, this administration, the legal system in general right 14 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: have done their due diligence and operated with a sense 15 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: of fucking urgency that an attempt to overthrow the government 16 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: and any other goddamnation would have received. When I announced 17 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: and shared with you all the fact that IDA a 18 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: nonpartisan organization, international organization that has been following for decades 19 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: democracies that are in danger, that are struggling or numbering 20 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: the amount of autocracies and authoritarian and dictator regimes that 21 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: are around the globe because it signals there are red 22 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: flags and alarms that go off when you realize that 23 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: there is a global shift that is happening. It isn't 24 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: just something that is happening in the United States. But 25 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: when this organization that has been doing this type of 26 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: research for decades, for the first time ever names the 27 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: United States of America as a backsliding democracy and it 28 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: is not receiving wall to wall fucking media coverage the 29 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: way that every cable outlet gave to Trump for free 30 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: when he was a candidate, and then continued to do 31 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: so after he became president, and even still was spreading racism, xenophobia, misogyny, 32 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: you name it, he was doing it, and they still 33 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: gave him airtime. But when an international organization that labels 34 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: right democracies authoritarian political regimes around the world says that 35 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, it became apparent that the United States 36 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: was visibly deteriorating, that is what the report said. Again, 37 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: you would think that alarm bells would be sounding, that 38 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: there would be some type of, you know, force behind 39 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: this administration to not only fucking roll out policy, which 40 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: is important and I'm not saying that it isn't. But 41 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: what difference does it matter if we are building bridges 42 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: and fixing subways, if we are living in a fascist regime. 43 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: What difference does it make right if we are talking 44 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: about structures when the actual foundation of our democracy is 45 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: crumbling underneath our feet, and no one seems to really 46 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: give a shit that they still want to believe that 47 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: we're going to have a functional midterm election. I want 48 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: to tell I want to alert you all to something 49 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: that I came across on Friday of last week, and 50 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: it was tweeted out by the president of the NAACP 51 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: Legal Defense Fund, Cherylyn Eiffel Folks RNDA Santis the death Santis, 52 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: the governor of Florida, is looking into and has made 53 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: suggestions around creating a civilian army that only he would control. 54 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: That would be the Florida Army that would not, as 55 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: he stated, be encumbered by Pentagon oversight. He rolled this 56 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: out in a way that one if they wanted to 57 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: not pay attention to anything that has been going on 58 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: in Red States since twenty twenty and before that, right 59 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump at the helm. He says that in 60 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: order to combat increasing hurricanes and storms, that we need 61 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: essentially our own army and battalion. But then he also 62 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: said that we need this as protection against the federal 63 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: government against a kind of socialist right what he alluded 64 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: to regime Ron DeSantis is saying out loud what all 65 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: of us have been saying who have been paying attention 66 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: to the fact that these motherfuckers want a civil war. 67 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: This is why they are hailing the Kyle rittenhouses of 68 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: the world, because they are hopeful that with an acquittal 69 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: right with a non not guilty wasn't even an acquittal 70 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: with a not guilty verdict for murdering two people and 71 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: wounding a third, that they can begin to recruit right 72 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: these people to bear arms and take up arms against 73 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: their own country. They are telling you with over three 74 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: hundred voter suppression laws that are at four hundred by 75 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: some calculations at this point in the past fucking year. 76 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: On top of four hundred voter suppression laws, now you 77 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: have a governor of one of the largest states in 78 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: the country saying that he wants to build his own 79 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: army that only he will control, that he can then 80 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: deploy said army against our national army and troops. I 81 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: want you to wrap your fucking minds around this. Eleven 82 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: months after we had an insurrection where these people who 83 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: actively beat, terrorized and killed members of the police, which 84 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: they want a chant blue lives matter until blue lives 85 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: are inconveniently in their way of hanging. The vice president right, 86 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: have received months in prison, maybe a couple of years. 87 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: And now you have a governor that is telling you 88 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: that he's going to build his own army. Who what 89 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: do you think is going to happen next? Right? What 90 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: do you think that is going to happen in Georgia? Right? 91 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: And in Texas? And all of those people that wanted 92 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,559 Speaker 1: to play G I Joe on one six right, many 93 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: of which we learned were former or current military, former 94 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: or current police, who are just itching to take up 95 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: their arms, take up their arsenals, and take down as 96 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: many people as they possibly can. And then they will say, well, 97 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: we were acting on what orders from I guess what, 98 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: Ron de Santis, the president of Florida. This is where 99 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: this shit is headed. And you know, I continue, people 100 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: are like, no, the Supreme Court's not going to take 101 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: away Brown versus the Board of Education, when in fact, 102 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: in her fucking confirmation hearing, Amy COVID, Barrett made mention 103 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: to the fact that Brown versus the Board of Education 104 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: wasn't settled law. The law that desegregated schools in the 105 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: United States, she believes, is not settled law. So if 106 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: you're looking at the actions being taken by the Supreme Court, 107 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: because you're paying attention to what Gorsich and Kavanaugh and 108 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: Roberts and COVID are saying, and then you're looking at 109 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: now the announcement that Ron DeSantis is making in Florida, 110 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: and then you take into consideration all of the voter 111 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: suppression laws. I mean, my god, it is not a 112 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: backsliding democracy. It is not a democracy. We are headed 113 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: into minority rule in this country. This is American apartheid 114 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: that they are setting up where you will have no 115 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: legal fucking recourse because they have bought all of the judges. 116 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: So just again, take a big picture look at what 117 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: has been set up since early two thousands, since the 118 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: Obama error. You had Mitch McConnell hold a Supreme Court 119 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: seat hostage and say that he's going to make this 120 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: president a one term president. He holds a Supreme Court 121 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: seat hostage four nine months without any fight back, pushback 122 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: or legal action taken by the Obama administration. They just 123 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: shrug and fucking take it. Then you have the installation 124 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: right of a Donald Trump who stole the twenty sixteen 125 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: election because don't make me believe right that Putin and 126 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: others who we learned did in fact interfere with the election, 127 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: didn't place Donald Trump in power to begin with, right, 128 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: So that's number two. Then you have number three, with 129 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: three hundred federal judges being planted around the country by 130 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, many of which who I continue to say 131 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: the American Bar Association said they were unqualified for these 132 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: lifetime positions, and there are folks as young as thirty 133 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: fucking five that received those appointments. Ask me how many 134 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: fucking federal judges Biden has sat as we get ready 135 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: to come up upon the first year of his administration. 136 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: You have that, Then you have a global health pandemic 137 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: where you have a party that has become a pro 138 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: virus death cult. So that's going to continue to run rampant. 139 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: And now we have a new variant that we need 140 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: to wait about four to six weeks to figure out 141 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: if it's going to be more deadly, more transmissible, if 142 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: it's going to evade the vaccines, if you're going to 143 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: need to get a booster now every fucking six months, 144 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: every four months, who knows. But this is all a 145 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: part of the Republican master plan and to make just 146 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: to put insult to injury, Mitch McConnell then turns around 147 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and announces, guess what, Republicans don't have a platform for 148 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: the midterm elections. They have no policies that they're going 149 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: to offer. I want you to understand that Republicans haven't 150 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: offered a policy to the American people, any type of 151 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: legislative agenda. I don't even know if they did so 152 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. So we're going into what four five 153 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: six years of Republicans being like, well, our base doesn't 154 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: give a fuck about policy. They don't care about what 155 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: is being provided by the federal government. They're only focused 156 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: on what is being taken away. So when we get 157 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: news right of the likes of Jeffrey Clark, who's an 158 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: official in the Department of Justice who wrote a memo 159 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: to undermine the election, he essentially was the white collar 160 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: worker working to undermine the election and have it have 161 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: it thrown out. While their minions were using flagpoles and 162 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: hockey sticks to beat down the walls of the Capitol Building. Now, 163 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: Geoffrey Clark, according to our friend Glenn Kushner, who we 164 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: will hear from in a little bit, is on the 165 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: verge of pleading the fifth as to not incriminate himself. 166 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: But we've all seen the letters that he put out 167 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: in battleground states because Donald Trump said, we just need 168 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: to have, you know, just some suspicion or some doubt 169 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: that there is fought in the election, even though we 170 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: know that there is none, and then my Republican friends 171 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: in Congress will handle the rest. Folks. We have all 172 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: of the information very clearly laid out in front of us, 173 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: But we have a toothless and spineless Department of Justice 174 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: and an administration that wants to believe that they're operating 175 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: in the twentieth century instead of recognizing that they are 176 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: no longer working with the Republicans of yesteryear that they 177 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: can debate with ideologically and then go and have drinks 178 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: with after. These are people that are sharing images of 179 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: killing another member of Congress. These are people that are 180 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: literally stalking their colleagues around the Capitol as a way 181 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: to intimidate and terrorize them. These are people that are 182 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: showing up with guns on their hips. And now you 183 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: have a governor who will probably be one if Trump 184 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: doesn't decide to run in twenty twenty four, will probably 185 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: be one of the Republican potential candidates for president, saying 186 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: that he wants to create his own fucking army. But 187 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna sit around and debate about the fucking filibuster. 188 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: That's what we're doing. That only now after we recognize 189 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: that there are but a couple of months until June 190 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: when the decision will come down from the Supreme Court 191 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: that Roe v. Wade is done. Now Democrats want to 192 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: hear and hum about possibly changing the courts. But instead 193 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: of taking action in the way that Republicans continue to 194 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: take action, they're just going to have a conversation about it. 195 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: I am so fucking sick to death of everything that 196 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: I am seeing take place. I mean, my god, the 197 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: amount of evidence that shows that Donald Trump and every 198 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: single one of his fucking associates is guilty of treason right, 199 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: among many other things, Glenn will talk to us about 200 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: the fact that, frankly, Donald Trump should have been arrested 201 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: on January twenty first, right at five pm when Joe 202 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: Biden became President of the United States, and we already 203 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: had the list of ten obstruction offenses that were laid 204 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: out to us in the Mulla Report that could have 205 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: been just taken to the DJ and said go go 206 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: to town, go do your fucking job. But no, they 207 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: want to preserve an institution, or as Susan Rice told us, 208 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: they just want to turn the page. You want to 209 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: turn the page, read the fucking book. These people are 210 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: going to town on our civil liberties. They are going 211 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: to town on terrorism. They are doubling down on violent 212 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: and nothing is coming out in condemnation from the Republican Party. 213 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: And all the fucking Democrats are doing is sitting around 214 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: wringing their hands. Are wanting to sell me literally a 215 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: fucking bridge. These motherfuckers are stacking up weapons right, they 216 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: got itchy trigger fingers. They are celebrating murderers. This is 217 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: only going in one direction, folks. So I don't know 218 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: why we continue to pretend that we have an actual 219 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: functioning democracy. It's not backsliding. It has blown the fuck up. 220 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: This is what an implosion looks like. Now we can 221 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: sit around and say, never in my life did I 222 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: think that I would get here. But the fact is 223 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: we are fucking here. We have a few months before 224 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: the United States is in fact Gilead. Right there will 225 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: be about ten or fifteen states maybe that women are 226 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: going to be able to get an abortion in, and 227 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: everywhere else is going to be out ruled in. One 228 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: of the things that I'm saying is that they're not 229 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: stopping at abortion. They are coming for contraception. They are 230 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: going for the board of versus education. They are coming 231 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: for marriage equality. At a time when we should be 232 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: innovating and creating and expanding liberties to people, they are 233 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: taking us back. As my friend and co host of Democracy, 234 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: issuewajahat Ali had said this week, they are taking it 235 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: back to nineteen fifty three. And we are just going 236 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: to continue to stand around and wait for this political 237 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: party that is in power in the House, in the Senate, 238 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,719 Speaker 1: in the White House to do what exactly because I 239 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: am telling you, folks, we are just but a few 240 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: more months away from taking to the streets. We are 241 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: just but a few more months away for some major 242 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: shit popping off in this country, and not in the 243 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: way that Donald Trump wanted to get people hyped up 244 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: on January six. I'm telling you, we are moments away 245 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: from a powder keg fucking exploding over our heads, and 246 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: everybody who has the ability to do something about it 247 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: is pretending like they have no power. And I'm saying 248 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: to myself, if this is what it looks like for 249 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: Democrats to be in power, then my god, do they 250 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: not deserve it? Because I'm at a point, and I've 251 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: said this before and I'm not mincing words, where I 252 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: am at a point where I believe that this entire 253 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: ship just needs to be burned down so that you 254 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: can create fertile ground and build up something better. We 255 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: are headed into the darkest days of this nation, the 256 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: most violent days of this nation, and I want all 257 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: of us to be vigilant because I want you to 258 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: be safe. I don't want folks caught off guard pretending 259 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: that they didn't know that this could possibly happen, because 260 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, you know the other day, 261 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: and I encourage you to head over to my Instagram 262 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: page right at D two cents d e T two 263 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: c e nts the same as on Twitter and in 264 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: one of the video series that I have done. One 265 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: of them is called what the fuck Happened? And I 266 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: realized the other day that I did a twenty eight 267 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: minute recording on January fifth, the night of January fifth, 268 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: before those motherfuckers stormed the Capitol, and I was outraged. 269 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: I was outraged at the fact that nobody was doing anything. 270 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: That Donald Trump had tweeted that there was going to 271 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: be action that was going to happen, things were going 272 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: to be wild, and they did nothing. And when I 273 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: sat there and I rewatched that video, I'm like, my god. 274 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: The FBI, I had been warned, the CIA had been warned, 275 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: the National Guards should have been fucking called in, but no. 276 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: We saw that days after with them sleeping in the 277 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: Capitol building, remember that on shift? But did you see it? 278 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: They had already missed the ship that had actually gone down. Folks, 279 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: we are in danger. We are in grave, grave danger. 280 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: And I want you all to prepare for twenty twenty 281 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: two because if you think that what we have seen 282 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: was bad, then you ain't seen nothing yet. And this 283 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of tepid reaction from the Insurrection Committee, from the administration, 284 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: from the Department of Justice is going to be the 285 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: nail in Democracy's coffin. Coming up next is my conversation 286 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: with our friend MSNBC legal analyst and host of Justice Matters, 287 00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner. Folks, I am always so thrilled when I 288 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to sit down with our friend Glenn Kirschner, 289 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: MSNBC Legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters. Glenn, 290 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: you know, there has been so much insurrection news, and 291 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately the Insurrection Commission and the news that is coming 292 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: out is getting lost with a lot of other news 293 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: that we have been following in a lot of other cases. 294 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: So I want, um, you know, the opportunity for you 295 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: to bring us up to speed on some very significant 296 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: moves that the Commission has made and suggestions that have 297 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: also been made that we hear. Mark Meadows is finally, 298 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, deciding that he wants to cooperate. I want 299 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: to know if that has anything to do with the 300 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: criminal contempt charges being brought against Steve Bannon and other 301 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 1: other things that we are learning about what happened on 302 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: that faithful day. So tell us, you know, what is 303 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: what is the latest that we need to be paying 304 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: attention to. So I think the most important and consequential development, Danielle, 305 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: is that one of Donald Trump's high Department of Justice officials, 306 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark, is on the eve of invoking his Fifth 307 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: Amendment right against self incrimination for corruptly trying to overturn 308 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: the elections results. That is earth shaking. And here's why. 309 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: You now have one of Donald Trump's men inside the 310 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: Department of Justice announcing to the world, if I were 311 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: to testify truthfully before the House Select Committee, I would 312 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: be incriminating myself. I would be telling everyone that I 313 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: committed crimes against the United States to try to undermine 314 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: the elections results. And we all know he did it 315 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: with and for Donald Trump. So in a very real 316 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: and provable sense, he's a co conspirator in a conspiracy 317 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: with the Donald Trump to commit offenses against the United States, 318 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: which is a precise criminal charge eighteen United States Code, 319 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: three seventy one. The reason this is so earth shattering 320 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: is it's the first kind of concrete example showing that 321 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had people inside the Department of Justice committing 322 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: federal crimes to try to unlawfully keep him in power. 323 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: The other reason it's really important is because now there 324 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: is a conflict that is squarely presented to the Department 325 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: of Justice. First of all, they have to criminally investigate 326 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: one of their own who is on the eve of 327 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: pleading the Fifth To not for the Department of Justice 328 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: to say, you know what, We're not going to investigate 329 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: one of our own high officials would be cronyism at best, 330 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: and it would be deeply sort of corrupt abusive conduct 331 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: at worst. They have to investigate this, right. The question 332 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: then becomes, how do they investigate it? What's the vehicle? 333 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: Because you know, we don't like to have organizations investigate themselves. 334 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: We see how well that goes with the police departments 335 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 1: really well, and it would be like, you know, Bill 336 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: Barr looking at his own misconduct and clearing himself of 337 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: any wrongdoing. Right, So, I think this moves us pretty 338 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: significantly in the direction of the need for a special counsel. 339 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Let's hope we get there. But I'm telling you this 340 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest and most ominous developments for 341 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, that one of his own officials will be 342 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: invoking the Fifth So you know, over the course of 343 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: the Trump administration, we knew that he was working whether 344 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: it was with Sessions over with Barr, to weaponize the 345 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: Department of Justice. But what makes Jeffrey clarks actions so 346 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: egregious in compare? Like, I am still wondering why haven't 347 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: we seen a charge or subpoena for Bill Barr? Right? Like, 348 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: so tell us why what was discovered with Jeffrey Clark 349 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: and what he has been doing, what he did right 350 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: or what he potentially suggested in the letter that he 351 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: wrote that is different than where we have seen Bill 352 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: Barr's criminality. Well, first of all, I hope Bill Barr 353 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: is smarter than the Jeffrey Clarks of the world, and 354 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: certainly than the Steve Bannons and Roger Stones of the world. 355 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: And I hope Bill Barr is quietly already talking with 356 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: the folks who are investigating all of this. We don't know, 357 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: but that maybe one reason we haven't seen subpoenas for 358 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: Bill Barr. But setting that aside, what did Jeffrey Clark do? 359 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: What Jeffrey Clark did was in a meeting with Donald 360 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: Trump and others, Donald Trump said in sub since look, 361 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: I know there's no fraud, just say there was fraud 362 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: and leave the rest to me and my allies in Congress. 363 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: That was an invitation to join the criminal conspiracy to 364 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 1: overturn the elections results, and Jeffrey Clark took him up 365 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: on it. He accepted Donald Trump's invitation and he joined 366 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: the criminal conspiracy. We know that because he went back 367 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice, put his nose to the grindstone, 368 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: and started drafting letters to election officials in the battleground states, 369 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: giving them a blueprint to corruptly overturn the elections results. 370 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: There's a technical term for what Jeffrey Clark did after 371 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: he was invited to join the conspiracy and joined the conspiracy. 372 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: It's called an overt act. In order to prove a conspiracy, 373 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: you need to prove two or more people agreed to 374 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: commit a crime, but you also need the added element 375 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: that one of the co conspirators did something that move 376 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: the conspiracy in the direction of committing that substance of crime, 377 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: that crime they agreed to commit. That's called an overt act, 378 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: and to prove a criminal conspiracy you need at least 379 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: one overt act. Jeffrey Clark committed that overt act very helpfully. 380 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: Because Jeffrey Clark's culpability, his criminal culpability couldn't be more clear, 381 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: which is why he's finally doing the smart wise and 382 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to say legal thing, which is to invoke 383 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: his Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, because he assuredly 384 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: has a legitimate Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. So 385 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: let me ask this because the letter, the letters that 386 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: he put out are in fact public, right, we've seen them. 387 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: So it isn't as if we don't have evidence, right 388 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Clark is saying, oh, I didn't write those 389 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: or it was a draft, and so is there let's 390 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: play which I hate to do, Devil's advocate if you 391 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: are the defense attorney for a Jeffrey Clark and he's saying, 392 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: I'm acting in my official capacity. Because again, moving on 393 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: the big lie, we believed that there was fraud and 394 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: there was all of these things that they have said, 395 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: right in order to create over three hundred voter suppression 396 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: laws around the country in Red States, is there any 397 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: justice like not bs justification, but is there a real 398 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: justification that a defense attorney could make on Clark's behalf. No, 399 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: Because Bill Barr, who was the top dog at the 400 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: Department of Justice for better or worse, based on all 401 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: of the information he had available to him, concluded and 402 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: told Donald Trump there was no systemic fraud that would 403 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: undermine the elections results. You can't just be an underling 404 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: at DOJ like Jeffrey Clark and say I don't care. 405 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say there was, because that's precisely what Donald 406 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: Trump told him to do. Is there an argument that 407 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: can be made in court that maybe they were all 408 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: thinking they were acting legitimately? You can always make an 409 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: argument in court. Give me three hours in front of 410 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: a DC jury and I will shoot that arguments of 411 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: all twelve jurors. You know, I get so sick and tired, Danielle, 412 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: of the legal hand ringing and the navel gazing and 413 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: the second Oh my goodness, we don't want to get 414 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: put it in front of twelve people in a jury box, 415 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: for gosh sakes. Already bring the charge. Try it to 416 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: a jury, win loser draw. You've done the right thing 417 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: by the American people and by our democracy. It's not 418 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: that hard unless you're petrified of losing. And if we 419 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: have DJ officials who are petrified of losing, step aside 420 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: and let somebody who's willing to fight the fight for 421 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: the American people take over. What happens here if the 422 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: Department of Justice again decides that they're going to either 423 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: slow walk this or not again, what we have said 424 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: and what we've been talking about for months, you and 425 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I is the toothlessness. Right, there's no teeth at this 426 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: Department of Justice. We have given them months to show us, 427 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: right that they are not just about preserving an institution, 428 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: but they are actually about preserving right, the trust and 429 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: dignity and faith in this Department of Justice. That it 430 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: isn't just a slogan to say that no one is 431 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: above the law if you're not going to prosecute people 432 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: who are acting against the interests of the public, Because 433 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: isn't this also treason? Am I? Like? Am I just 434 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: making this up? But isn't this also I mean, Jeffrey 435 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Clark might as well have had a pole like those 436 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: people on the ground at the Capitol Building forcing their 437 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: way into the Capitol. What's the difference between the actions 438 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: that he was taking behind closed doors and the actions 439 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: that were taken physically on one six Yeah, figuratively speaking, 440 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark was handing out the weapons to be used 441 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: to try to kill our democracy. The poles, the bear 442 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: spray that's what he was doing in a very real 443 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: but figurative sense. He was giving everybody the weapons they 444 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: needed to try to corruptly, criminally overturn the elections results. So, 445 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: but you know, if you look back to Watergate and 446 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: the way that played out, you know, it started with 447 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: lots of congressional investigations and ultimately, after some time it 448 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: morphed into criminal indictments and prosecutions. So I think if 449 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: we pull back to thirty thousand feet, our frustration is 450 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice is not moving out quickly 451 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: enough to protect and preserve public safety and the health 452 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 1: and viability of our democracy. And we can criticize them 453 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: all day long, and I will continue to do so, 454 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: but I also think they're largely following the Watergate blueprint, 455 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: where we've had two hundred more than two hundred and 456 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: fifty interviews, all behind closed doors, of people who are 457 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: providing the House Select Committee with information about the insurrection, 458 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: including about Donald Trump's conduct. We just learned last night 459 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: from Liz Cheney that they are curating all of that 460 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: information that they're getting behind closed doors, and they are 461 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: about to spend weeks and weeks in early twenty twenty two, 462 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: showing it to all of us, and then I'm not 463 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: a betting man. My betting limit as a dollar, but 464 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: I would bet a buck. You're going to see criminal 465 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: indictments start to come after that, just like we saw 466 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: in Watergate. The difference between this and Watergate. Democracy is 467 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: hanging by a thread and there's a very real threat 468 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: to public safety because Richard Nixon didn't continue to go 469 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: out and try to kill our democracy, right, Donald Trump 470 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: continues to try to kill our democracy, and he continues 471 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: to fool the gullible. Everything the Republicans say is an 472 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: effort to keep the gullible in the Republican fold, and 473 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: they're pretty successful because the gullible are easily fooled. So 474 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: that's the difference between the two. But again, if you 475 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: pull back, I think we are headed in that direction, 476 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: albeit too slowly. So let's let's switch gears and talk 477 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: about Mark Meadows for a minute. Who you know. This 478 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: week it came out that he was going to cooperate, right, 479 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: and by virtue of everybody writing a book on their 480 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: way out because everyone needs to capitalize on the terror 481 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: that they caused this country. Meadows alerts us to the 482 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: fact that Donald Trump was very aware that he had 483 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: COVID when he was headed into the first presidential debate 484 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: with Joe Biden, and because of that, he had an 485 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: event in the Rose Garden. This was the Amy Cony 486 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Barrett event. He did the presidential debate, flew on Air 487 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: Force One, went back into the press corps again. You know, 488 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I we talked about Bulsonado in Brazil, right, and the 489 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: Senate there in Brazil looking into actual charges because of 490 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: gross negligence in how he handled and it's continuing to 491 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,800 Speaker 1: handle the crisis in Brazil. Given this information once again 492 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: that we get in black and white, tell me about 493 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: why is there a case against Donald Trump for willful negligence? Yes, 494 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: there's a case for criminal liability for avoidable COVID deaths. 495 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: There is a case for civil liability. He was breathing 496 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: all over gold Star Mothers among others, not to mention 497 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: Joe Biden at the debate, exposing them to COVID. Anybody 498 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: who came into close contact with him and contracted COVID 499 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: has a civil suit to bring. Doesn't guarantee they will 500 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,799 Speaker 1: win that civil suit. But then, Yelle, you can't win 501 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: the case you don't bring in court, and we need 502 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: to bring prosecutions. We need to be you know, less concerned. 503 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 1: I always told my prosecutors it's more important to try 504 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: cases than to win cases, because when you're trying cases, 505 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: you're doing your damnedest to vindicate the rights of victims. 506 00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: You're doing your damnedest to protect society. If you lose, 507 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: if twelve jurors can't unanimously agree beyond a reasonable doubt 508 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: of the defendant's guilt, that there's no shame in that. 509 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: That's not like a failure that you should be embarrassed by. 510 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: You should be embarrassed if your fear of losing keeps 511 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: you out of the courtroom altogether. So there should be 512 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 1: criminal cases brought against Donald Trump for avoidable COVID deaths. 513 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: There could be civil cases brought by the people he 514 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: likely infected and put it in front of twelve jurors, 515 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: rather than trying to make all these decisions and talk 516 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: yourself into well, you know what, we might not be 517 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: successful at the end of the day. So let's not 518 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: bring the case. Because it feels like that's where we 519 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: are on a lot of fronts. Because you know, the 520 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: only feeling that I have there right with regard to 521 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: bringing cases, particularly around covid is, because it harkens back 522 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: to when folks started to bring bring charges against people 523 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: for deliberately and purposefully infecting others with HIV, knowing that 524 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: they were HIV positive, and then weaponizing the virus. Right, 525 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: And you know I'm wondering here, Glenn, is that if 526 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: that were to happen, if we see this case or 527 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: cases or a class action, right, does that then open 528 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: up the floodgates for regular Americans who are refusing to 529 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 1: get vaccinated and they may infect someone. And how would 530 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: how would we? Is it the fear of initially prosecuting, 531 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: because this would just be opening up the floodgates just 532 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: a waterfall of effects of everyone suing anybody because this 533 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: virus is so communicable. A couple of points. I was 534 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: never a fan of the opening the floodgates or slippery 535 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: slope argument. If what we're discussing is whether a viable 536 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: suit a triable case should be brought, because you have 537 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: to look at each case on its own merits and 538 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: decide if somebody has been harmed and if somebody should 539 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: be held responsible for inflicting that harm either under the 540 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: criminal laws of our jurisdictions or under the civil procedures. 541 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: If it's a civil case, let the slippery slope and 542 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: the floodgates arguments work themselves out, because that I don't 543 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: think that's a good reason to decline to bring a 544 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: meritorious case. And if it does inspire more cases, maybe 545 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: more cases should be brought and resolved by juries. You know, 546 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: so you have to take the first step on the 547 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: road rather than finding a hundred reasons not to take 548 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: the first step on the road to accountability. And then, 549 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, one of the questions that I have for you, 550 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: because I want to pivot from this particular potential of 551 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: cases and look at again what is happening on Capitol 552 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 1: Hill with the Republican members of the House, whether verbally 553 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: or through visual aid in the case of Paul Gasser, 554 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: threatening and terrorizing their Democratic colleagues. Now we're sitting around 555 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: right waiting for Republicans to come out and condemn the 556 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: actions of their caucus and their you know, desire to 557 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, violently like attack their their colleagues, right 558 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: like we're no longer in a civilized place at that 559 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: at this moment when you're seeing the Lauren Boberts and 560 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: the ghosts of the world. Do those that are the 561 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: victims of their terror, like a Representative han Omar, like 562 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: Representative Alexandro Cassio Cortez for lack of protection that seems 563 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: to be coming from Democrats, Do they have the case 564 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: whether it is you know, to say to the police 565 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 1: they need to stay two hundred feet away from me, 566 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: or you know, I feel terrorized and they are threatening 567 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: my life and safety and I have a case there. Yeah, 568 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: I think they have. They should assess whether they have 569 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: a viable case to be brought against the gossars of 570 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: the world for threatening their lives. It feels to me 571 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: like they do. And mind you, for thirty years, I 572 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: was a prosecutor, a criminal litigator, not a civil litigator, 573 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: so I'm not an expert in that area of our practice. 574 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 1: But look, Eric Swalwell has brought suit for what happened 575 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 1: to him as a result of Donald Trump launching the insurrection, 576 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: the attack on the Capitol. Representative Thompson has brought suit. 577 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,359 Speaker 1: So these suits can and should be brought because Danielle, 578 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: nothing can be resolved by us just talking about it. 579 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: It's like, well, what would happen if Gosar was charged 580 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: or if civil suit was brought it nothing can be 581 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: resolved by just talking and ruminating. It can be resolved 582 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: in a court of law. And let's face it, for 583 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: all its flaws, the criminal justice system and our judiciary generally, 584 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,359 Speaker 1: is one of the reasons we are still a democracy 585 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: rejecting sixty five election challenges. Right the Judge Walton's and 586 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: the Judge Chutkins, and the Judge Mata's and the Judge 587 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: Sullivan's being the heroes of this period in our national 588 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 1: history by doing everything they can to hold our corrupt 589 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,720 Speaker 1: government officials accountable. So let's move some of these matters 590 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: into the courts. Let representatives who are being victimized and 591 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: attacked by the Gosars of the world bring suit. Let's 592 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: have judges decide whether it's a suit that's appropriately brought 593 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,240 Speaker 1: it probably will be, and then let's have twelve people 594 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: in the box decide whether Gosar had a right to 595 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: do this against AOC or not. I'll take that case. 596 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: I'll learn all I need to know about the civil law, 597 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: and I'll bring that case, and I predict we would 598 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,279 Speaker 1: win that case. You know, it's just it's so disturbing 599 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: to me, Glenn, because I feel like we're coming up 600 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: against a time where you and I are going to 601 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: have one of these conversations and something incredibly physically violent 602 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,920 Speaker 1: again will have happened, and we are going to be 603 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,360 Speaker 1: waiting or I mean, we're still waiting on real serious 604 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: charges for the fact that people lost their life on 605 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: one six. And I keep saying, you know, this escalation 606 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 1: in verbal attacks, in visual attacks, it is just signaling 607 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: right to the base that they're not done right. When 608 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: do we get to use our guns? Was overheard at 609 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: like a rally recently, and I'm just you know, my 610 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: last question is, you know, as we're moving, you know, 611 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: very quickly to the end of the year, what are 612 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: you thinking in terms of whether or not we're going 613 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,399 Speaker 1: to see the kind of accountability as the calendar year 614 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: closes at the that we I mean January six, we're 615 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: coming up on, you know, an anniversary, and we're still waiting. Yeah. 616 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: You know, this highlights what I have always railed against, 617 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: which is the timidity of federal prosecutors. I was one, 618 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: I know thousands of them, and you know, you can't 619 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: paint with a broad brush and say all federal prosecutors 620 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 1: take their darned time when it comes to investigating cases. 621 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: But the reality is, Danielle, the state and local prosecutors 622 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: make up ninety eight percent of the prosecutors in our nation. 623 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 1: And what they do is they bring cases and bring 624 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: cases and bring cases because a crime is committed and 625 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: arrest is made and we're in court. That's what I 626 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: did also in DC, because we handled all the local 627 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: prosecutions as well as the federal prosecutions. Federal prosecutors don't 628 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: operate like that. They think deep thoughts, they spend months 629 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: or years in the grand jury, and then they deign 630 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: whether the evidence is so bulletproof that they can't lose 631 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: in trial, and then they indict, or more frequently, what 632 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: they do is they negotiate a pre indictment plea offer 633 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: so they never have to try the case. Please don't misunderstand. 634 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 1: Not all prosecutors, federal prosecutors operate that way, but that 635 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: is the culture and the practice of federal prosecutors. They 636 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: don't have to arrest, indict, and get into court instantly. 637 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,919 Speaker 1: They have all the time in the world to investigate. 638 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: And we are now seeing the downside of that culture 639 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 1: and that practice. Because this is something that should have 640 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 1: been done at light speed. Donald Trump and his corrupt 641 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,640 Speaker 1: associates should have been arrested. Donald Trump should have been 642 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,600 Speaker 1: charged on January twenty first for the ten felony obstruction 643 00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: of justice counts that were meticulously documented in detail by 644 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: Bob Muller in Volume two of the Trump Russia Report, 645 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,919 Speaker 1: about which Bob Mueller testified he can be charged when 646 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,799 Speaker 1: he leaves office. But unfortunately that's not the way the 647 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: Department of Justice operates. And now we see the downside 648 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: to how the Department of Justice operates. I mean, I 649 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: want to say that I am very interested to see 650 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: what the commission is going to do. I'm very interested 651 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: to seeing what the Department of Justice will do with 652 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Clark, what will come of Mark Meadows cooperation, and 653 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: what we will learn after we the public get to 654 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: be privy to the two hundred and fifty interviews that 655 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: have been done, which I believe should have been done 656 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: in public and not behind closed doors, because the insurrection 657 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: did not happen behind closed doors. It happened in public, 658 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: and the public should be a part of our investigation 659 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: into what is happening. So Glenn, as always We appreciate you, 660 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: and we hope that we will continue this conversation and 661 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: bring people some good news in the coming weeks. I'll 662 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: see you next week, Danielle. That is it for me today. 663 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,080 Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke app as always, Power to the 664 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and 665 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.