1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. They know it is time for another 6 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: edition of Mixed Shots, and it's very active at Ford 7 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Center at the Star in Frisco training camp. Practice went 8 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: a little long today, Mickey's there. We passed ten o'clock 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: this morning. They did, They might made it to about 10 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: ten twelve. I think I wrote down, yeah, And so 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: you can tell they're they're getting closer and closer to 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: the start of this regular season, which is two weeks 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: from some day. Cowboys will be playing in that new 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: stadium in Los Angeles against the Amazon September thirteen. Everson, 15 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: how are you doing. I'm doing fine this morning, sir. 16 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing a little bit better than than the entire 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: sports world. We've had a little shake up that we 18 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: need to talk about this morning, but otherwise I'm in 19 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: good shape, yep. And we'll get into that. Making anything 20 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: of note that you see on so on the practice field, 21 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: because the Cowboys we should point out, as Mike McCarthy 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: said that his press conference at seven fifteen this morning, 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have already had talks and we'll have future 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: talks today about the things that Everson is talking about. 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: But they were out on the practice field and they 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: got completed at ten twelve, precisely. Ye, the Cowboys did practice. 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: I noticed there was about a half a dozen teams 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: that decided today not to practice, but the Cowboys went 29 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: through with their regular routine indoors again, or the first 30 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: part for some of the guys outdoors, and then they 31 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: moved indoors and a lot of individual drills, a lot 32 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: of just position drills, and then team team type stuff 33 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: for about forty five minutes. Situational things built you know, 34 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: first in ten second and four third and two fourth 35 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: and eight things like that. So maybe some of the 36 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: stuff will see in the scrimmage on some day, so things. 37 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was you know, another really good practice, 38 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: and they finished off with another kicking session. Didn't have 39 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: an official under the goal post this time, but it 40 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: looked like zerline went six for six. I only saw 41 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: one that was kind of hump did that go in? 42 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: But all the rest were kind of right down the middle. 43 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: So if he made all six of them again, he 44 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: would have been twenty four for twenty four. So uh, 45 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: back guys, uh briefly, and they called up Joe Looney 46 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: and Joe Loubi stood while all the players knelt, uh, 47 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: and he addressed the team, and I'm assuming uh he 48 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: addressed the team about what took place uh in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Uh. 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: And then they all bowed their heads and I can 50 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: see he let them in a prayer. So that was 51 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: kind of a sad out here. And I can also 52 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: point out Layton vander essh talking with the media. Uh 53 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Uh he says to quote right now, we're lined up 54 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: to have discussions about it during our team meeting this afternoon. 55 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: That's still to come. So that's going to be part 56 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: of the team meeting. And so Everson, you wanted to 57 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: jump in with what you're seeing. Of course, as all 58 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: of you know of who have not been buried in 59 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: work here in the last twenty four hours. It started 60 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon with the Milwaukee Bucks deciding not to play 61 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: in their NBA playoff game at three o'clock yesterday afternoon, 62 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: and within about a half hour after that, the NBA 63 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: had postponed all the playoff games, all three of them 64 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: from yesterday. There were three Major League Baseball games that 65 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: were postponed as well as the w NBA canceled their 66 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: games yesterday and Major League Soccer as well. There are 67 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: several teams around the league who have elected not to 68 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 1: practice today. So Everson weigh in on what you're seeing. Well, 69 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, one thing that I love is are the gestures, 70 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: and these are That's exactly what they are. These are 71 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: amazing gestures that really saw a little bit of empathy 72 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: that hadn't hadn't been shown in any sport in our history. 73 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: And the thing that I like about it is you've 74 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: got all these other teams, all these other team sports 75 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: that are participating in these gestures, which is really, I 76 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: think an easy thing to do. Easier with a smaller roster. 77 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: You know, you're talking baseball. You know, they only have about, 78 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: you know, maybe fifteen twenty guys that you have to 79 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: deal with on the roster basketball itself, maybe about fifteen 80 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: people that you have to worry about w NBA and NBA. 81 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: You're talking about soccer a little bit more, but even 82 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: the individual sports such as tennis, one of the young 83 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: ladies decided not to go forward with her semifinal match 84 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: as well in tennis and decided to withdraw from participating. 85 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: And see, these things are These are amazing gestures because 86 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: it's affecting them. Money that these people might get, that 87 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: these athletes might be coming into it can cost them 88 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: a little bit of money. But when you're talking about football, 89 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about fifty five players, and having fifty five 90 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: players on the same accord is really tough. I tried 91 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: to do it back in eighty seven when I was 92 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: a union rep. Failed miserably. I might add, all guys, 93 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: they you know, when it comes to football, it's a 94 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: different breed in regards to the players, and it's also 95 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: a different breed when it comes to the owners. They're 96 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: much more staunch about taking care of business and trying 97 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: not to let the outside world interfere. That is old school. 98 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: That's an old school remedy. Now you've got the new 99 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: school remedy to where you gotta be a little bit 100 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: more empathetic to what's going on. And I'm glad to 101 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: see that. It's a shame what we saw in Wisconsin's 102 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: it's like a broken record now, really I mean, because 103 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: you've got so much video out there really hyping up 104 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: the thing and the tragedy that ensued from that. So 105 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: it's just good to see that at least the players 106 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: are aware of it, and you know, we have to 107 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: get out of this mode I think we are of 108 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: just worrying about well, it's just all about the sport. 109 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: It's all about our institution. Every institution is touched by racism, everyone, 110 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: and that's including the Dallas Cowboys organization. Throughout history, that's 111 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: the way it's been. So I'm just glad that things 112 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: are being talked about and they're being noticed by these 113 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: new this new wave of athletes that are coming through it. 114 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: You know, Bill and ever since I thought Mike McCarthy 115 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: he had a really good comment. He said, you know, 116 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: we looked the sports to escape the things that are 117 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: going on the pandemic, you know, the hurricane that was 118 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: hitting the post of Louisiana in Texas, and he goes, 119 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: but when it comes to this, he goes, we can't 120 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: escape it. We just can't escape and not talk about it. 121 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: And that's why he pointed out that when they would 122 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: have their meetings after practice, they would talk about this 123 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: and see what's going on and maybe this example or 124 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: this instance what happened in Kenosha kind of gosh, it 125 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: just highlights the problem of all the things that have 126 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: been going on, right and everything, and all the protests 127 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: and everything we've heard, and yet this policeman still did this. 128 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: I mean, does not go through your mind when and 129 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to put yourself in his shoes on why 130 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: he would make a decision to do that, But you 131 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: would think, gosh, you would check yourself, right. I just 132 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: don't get it, and I think that is it just 133 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: illustrates the depth of the problem out there. I have 134 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: to say, guys, and because you know, we're looking at 135 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: this instance and we're worried about how the police are 136 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: looking at African Americans and really looking at society. Being 137 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: the policeman, man, it's a scary job. Let's just all 138 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: recognize that it is an extremely scary job. When you 139 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: take that job on, you have to realize what your 140 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: responsibilities are. You have to be a totally different person 141 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: than what we are. You represent law, you represent law 142 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: and order, and you have the gun and all the 143 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: equipment that can enforce that, and so with that brings 144 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: much responsibility I mean so much responsibility to where sometimes 145 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: you have to sit back and take a breath and 146 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: not just react so quickly to what I think is 147 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: fear and fear of the unknown. And that lets you 148 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: know just how disconnected the police are. Officers are from 149 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: the community itself. So you know, we in America we 150 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: always try and put a band aid on something before 151 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: we fix the problem. We don't want to go all 152 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: the way back and fix it. They're like, oh, that's 153 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: too much work, Let's just start from here. Well, you can't. 154 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: You can't put a band aid on something when it's 155 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: an open wound such as what we have here in 156 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: America between the policeman and the African American community. So 157 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: these are things that have to be uh, we have 158 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: to be aware of. We have to we have to 159 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: go back and start almost from scratch. Because the the 160 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: the institutions, the law institutions, law enforcement institutions, they are 161 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: being trained in a way that has brought much confusion 162 00:10:53,520 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and much death unnecessarily checking Twitter, The news out of 163 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: the NBA this morning, by the way, is that the 164 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: board of governors are meeting this morning and the players 165 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: as well, and they are postponing games today and they will. 166 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: They are working towards restarting the playoffs on Friday. So 167 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: what will in essence be U two days worth of 168 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: protests here in Dallas. That means the Mavericks game a 169 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: night against the Clippers is postponed until either Friday or Saturday. 170 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: But I understand that the meeting last night and Lebron 171 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: James and the Lakers as well as the Clippers, and 172 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: then Kawhi Leonard was leaving the way there there were 173 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: two teams that voted, and basically a poll of the teams. 174 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: They will obviously nothing binding, but they voted not to 175 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: resume the season, to boycott the rest of the season, 176 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: but they've decided now that the league has decided to 177 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: continue on with the playoffs and do what they can 178 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: as far as enacting of some way to help with 179 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: social justice in America, which is an ongoing thing for 180 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: all leagues right now. What what do you anticipate the 181 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys meeting this afternoon to be like? If you I 182 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: would imagine it would be something where the coaches will 183 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: give the players all the time that they want in 184 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: order to address whatever whatever they would like to say. 185 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: Right Yeah, Bill, I think you're exactly right. I think 186 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: Mike wants guys to basically speak up, get their feelings, 187 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: let them say what they feel like they need to say. 188 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: And then again, you know, as as Everson said, you know, 189 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: you've got eighty guys out there, and not everybody's going 190 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: to agree with everything. But I think if you have 191 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: an open forum for guys to talk and just you know, 192 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: get your feelings out there and then go forward. But 193 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: it appears, you know, they were all in today in 194 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: the practice. I get that it didn't look like everybody 195 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: was you know, just not was disinterested. So yeah, we'll 196 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: see where it goes. And like I said yesterday, by 197 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: time they finished their basically their walkthrough and their meetings, 198 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: and then they were on their own, as he said, 199 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: when they left for dinner. And then that's kind of 200 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: when everything hit. So they really didn't have an opportunity 201 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: as a team to address it. And then when you 202 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: start practicing, guys getting ready at seven thirty in the morning, 203 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: I think they basically said, Okay, let's practice and then 204 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this after the practice. And I gotta say, guys, 205 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: this is you know, I keep comparing it to the 206 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: eighty seven strike because it's about work stoppage. It really 207 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: that's that's the bottom linement when it comes to this, 208 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: the decision that they make the example is just like 209 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: here in America as a society, examples have to come 210 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: from the top. The proper example on how to deal 211 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: with this has to come from the top. You can't 212 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: have a mixed message coming from the coach and then 213 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: you have the the owner saying something else or acting 214 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: in another way. So when you talk about work stoppage 215 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: in eighty seven, the team that stayed together the best 216 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: in eighty seven after the strike, after we resumed work 217 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: after the work stoppage in eighty seven was the Redskins. 218 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: Their coach, Joe Gibbs was famously known for telling the 219 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: guys either you're all going to be together or you're 220 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: all not going to be together. But whatever it is, 221 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: it's going to be together. And in Dallas we were 222 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, we we had scabs going across all our 223 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: superstars went across the line and across the picket line. 224 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: So that was really the beginning of the end for 225 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: a lot of players and also for coach Landry and 226 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: that entire management organization. When it came to the nineteen 227 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: eighty seven, Strake, that was we didn't know that we 228 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: were dismantling ourselves with the decisions that we were making 229 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: over at Valley Ranch at the time. So there has 230 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: to be coming together from management that's including coach McCarthy 231 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: and including Jerry Jones in regards to how they deal 232 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: with this, because if you have a mixed message coming 233 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: from the top, then it's just like what I we 234 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: got here in America as a society, You're gonna have 235 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of you know, bungling idiots running around, I 236 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: know what the hell they're doing. Isn't that kind of 237 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: ironic that back then the Redskins were the model team 238 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: franchise that now the situation they're in now totally different. 239 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: Were the difference thirty plus years? Make right? And excuse 240 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: me if I said Redskins does Washington football team? Okay? 241 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: Is that it Washington football team? Washington football team? You know? 242 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: And to that point ever since point there, Mickey Mike McCarthy, 243 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: if you go back, you can go on Dallas Cowboys 244 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: dot com and watch his entire press conference breaking. I 245 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: don't think I've seen a press conference where he just 246 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: he didn't start off the press conference, just asking for 247 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: questions and said today and right off the top before 248 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: he asked for any questions, he commented on what he 249 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: was watching and what the team were, the players who 250 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: have been watching the last twenty four hours and m 251 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and clearly is very bothered by what is going on. 252 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Of course, he you know, has a home in Wisconsin, 253 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: his family's up there and um and so it's it's 254 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: hits close to home for for him having been in 255 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: Wisconsin for the past fifteen years himself. But larger picture, 256 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: I think we're getting an idea and more and more 257 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: with the new coach coming in, we're getting a better 258 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: idea of some of the things away from coaching football, 259 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: how to you manage a team and how you're receptive 260 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: to players. We're getting a better idea of why Mike 261 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: McCarthy has been successful as an NFL head coach the 262 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: last fifteen years. Well, you know what, I thought, we 263 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: got another example of that that he's not tone deaf 264 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: on how he answered the questions about Earl Thomas when 265 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: everybody at the beginning of the week start peppering him 266 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: with those questions. And I thought the key and while 267 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: he straddled defense like, you know, he wasn't going to 268 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: say yea or nay. But I thought the key thing 269 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: he said, and this goes to kind of what you're 270 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: talking about, Bill, He understands the importance of the locker room. 271 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: And he said, at the end of the day, no 272 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: matter what else happens, my focus as a head coach 273 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: has to be on the locker room. So basically what 274 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: he's saying is, if going to bring in a guy 275 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: that's been on two teams now and things have gone badly, 276 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: can he fit into my locker room? And regardless of 277 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: how good a player he was. I thought that was 278 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: his emphasis. And I thought again, as you were saying, Bill, 279 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: talking about the team and the players, not just a 280 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: body to bring in and play football, And to him, 281 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: that was probably the more important thing than anything else. 282 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, though, if you think of the 283 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: comparison between the coaches now versus the coaches back in 284 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: eighty seven, you know you're looking at an entirely different 285 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: group of group of coaches. You know, Tom Lagie would 286 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: not even want to be bothered with anything like this, 287 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: which he was never wanted to be bothered with anything 288 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: that didn't have something to do with football. That is 289 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: the old school way Tom Lagie was born, of course, 290 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: back in the forties or whatever. So you're looking at 291 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: a different mentality these days, not just from from coaches, 292 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: but also from fans. You know, the NFL and all 293 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: of sports. They're going to lose a lot of fans 294 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: because you've got old school fans are like, look, I 295 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: tuned into mix shots just to talk, just to hear 296 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: football talk. I don't want to hear anything else. I'm 297 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: so tired of watching the videos, which I am as well, 298 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: so tired of watching videos and all the arguing. And 299 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: you're you're you're bringing your mixing society with sports. Well, 300 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: you were never supposed to separate the two. Let's just 301 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: be real about it, because life goes on when those 302 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: players leave the field. And as social media and all 303 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: of this, you know, starts to to to to flourish, 304 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: it does mud the issue a little bit because now 305 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: you have to worry about things other than sports. As 306 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, sometimes what's going on those other 307 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: things they are more important than sports. So as much 308 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: as you're gonna lose a lot of fans in regards 309 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: to this new way of sports and new way of 310 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: looking at athletics. You're also going to gain a lot 311 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: of fans that were staying away from sports because it 312 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: was so myopic, you know. And then the other part 313 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: of that is if if there are issues, no matter 314 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: what it is, that are impacting the majority of the 315 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: players on your team did not affect your team, and 316 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: you have to you have to get a handle on that. 317 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: You have to address it. And we never we never 318 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,439 Speaker 1: did back in the eighties. That just wasn't And I'm 319 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: not just talking Cowboys, I'm talking just all the sports. 320 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: We never want to deal with anything outside of sports 321 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: as much as it was affecting us all when we 322 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: went home away from our arenas. 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For information on delivery, 370 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: takeout curbside pickup and dine in availability, visit the Star 371 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: District dot com mickey, are you taking advantage of the 372 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: Star District restaurants and takeout and that sort of thing 373 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: as you're back at the Star, I haven't done any 374 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: takeout here. And as for sitting in a restaurant and eating, 375 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I've done that since like March thirteenth. 376 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: I have taken advantage of it. People. My wife, myself, 377 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: my daughter, and my business partner. We went to the 378 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: Star area and we ate some good food. We had 379 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: a great time, great conversation. My wife was starving for 380 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: some social interaction, so I had to take it out there. 381 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: We wouldn't even let the waitress didn't even have time 382 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: to serve people because we kept just monopolizing her time 383 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: because we hadn't talked to anyone outside of our own household. 384 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, I understand not going. I understand not wanting 385 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: to go, but we couldn't take it anymore. We just 386 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: had to go. We had a great time too, had 387 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: a great time. All right, NICKI gonna tell us about 388 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: practice today. Let's go in depth with what you saw, 389 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: what stood out for you at practice this morning. You know, 390 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: it always seems to happen this way and ever since 391 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: probably experience this. It's like injury. These are like a disease. 392 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: They attack one part of the team and then it 393 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: goes and attacks another part of the team. Right, So, 394 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: the Cowboys were having problems at on the offensive line 395 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: with both Tyrant Smith and Lale Collins, and by the way, 396 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: their presumptive swing tackle Cam Irving. We're all missing practice 397 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: all last week. In the beginning of this week, well, 398 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: at least today, Tyrn Smith and Lale Collins had their 399 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: uniforms on their helmets and pads and they did individual 400 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: drills before they left to go do their rehab drills. 401 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: Cam Irving actually got back into team practice for the 402 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: first time today. Now, the last couple practices this week 403 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: he was at least out there in individual drills, and 404 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: today was the first time he actually participated in team drills. 405 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: So they had him lined up basically at left tackle, 406 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: taking tyre and spot. But at least those guys looked 407 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: like they're getting closer. Well with that happened, now, the 408 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: attention went to the cornerback position. Hitabey A Woozier on 409 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: getting my day's confused Monday, he looked like he suffered 410 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: somewhat of a leg injury. He tried to go on Tuesday, 411 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: and after a couple of individual drills he pulled out. 412 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: So today he basically was on the chords outside at 413 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: the resistant chords and was rehabbing and he didn't do anything. 414 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is still out with the ankle injury he 415 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: suffered the previous week, and Mike McCarthy had said that 416 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 1: he probably would miss this entire week. They were hoping 417 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: to get him back, and then having the last two practices, 418 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: they were using Darryl Worley and the rookie Reggie Robinson 419 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: at safety. They were down to five corners today, so 420 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: those guys got a pretty good workout out there. But 421 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, at least for guys like Deante Burton and 422 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: Chris Westry, they were getting a whole lot of snaps 423 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: that they probably wouldn't have gotten. So the cornerback position 424 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: was a little bit stretched thin. And then going back 425 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: to the offensive line. Before they even got into team practice, 426 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: they were just doing these individual drills where you would 427 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: come off the line and just kind of meet a 428 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: guy across the across from you. Mitch Hyatt went down 429 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: and they ended up carting him off with looked like 430 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: an apparent right knee injury. Yes, so, and he was 431 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: a guy that was helping out with the depth along 432 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: with Brandon Knight and gosh, it was another practice. Basically 433 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: it was an all comers meet with the defensive ends 434 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: at Dak Prescott. They can't block those guys. And you 435 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: know you're gonna read that, uh you know, Trayvon digs 436 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: or No, it was u haha, Clinton Dix had an interception. Well, 437 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: what happened was Dak would have got sacked right and 438 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: then he just kind of threw the ball up and 439 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: he overthrew the Uh it was one of those Larry 440 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: Brown interceptions, right, he got b but the ball flew 441 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: over the wide receiver's head and went right to him, 442 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: you know. So so haha was the MVP. I'm sure 443 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: he's gonna be player today for somebody. And it's like, oh, okay, 444 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: but let's put some context into the interception, uh, you know, 445 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, they were just having trouble, you know, blocking 446 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: and uh. There was a couple of times, you know, 447 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: a couple of plays in a row where DeMarcus Lawrence, 448 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, zip by Uh Terrence Steele. I mean, they've 449 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: got guys back there that I don't know if they're 450 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: gonna make the team, but they've got they're kind of 451 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: forced to work with the first team, so uh that 452 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: that was somewhat problematic out there. Uh, they did work. 453 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: They did have a session where they worked a lot 454 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: on the on the run game. Somebody early in the 455 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: week uh told McCarthy, it doesn't look like Zeke's going 456 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: to touch the ball because you don't really run the 457 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: ball in practice, and you know they're practicing in segments, 458 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: and so today was a little bit more run orient. 459 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: I thought. Tony Pollard had another day and UM, keeping 460 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: an eye on this Regal Doubtle. He's really getting some 461 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 1: opportunities and maybe push the envope a little bit. If 462 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: they decide to keep three running backs. I don't know 463 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: that they will uh and I don't know that they'll 464 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: keep a fullback. Uh uh. But the kid from uh TCU, 465 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: the LUA did I get it? Yeah, Alona Luaga sa 466 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: Alona Lua. He actually I think on Tuesday they did 467 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: a little goal line Monday or Tuesday and he got 468 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: as Skip Pete said the running backs coach. He said 469 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: he got a couple of good strikes in their meaning 470 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: blocks and he had a nice run to day on 471 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: fourth and short. So I like you a lot. Yeah, 472 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: I think he's versatile and as long as he you 473 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: know in the song. And here's the hard part. You 474 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: guys a lot of this stuff for these backups that 475 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, it comes down to special teams. But 476 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: they're not going to have any live special teams till 477 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: September thirteenth, So it's kind of hard to prove yourself that, hey, 478 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm a good Special teams player when you're just doing 479 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: special teams drills out there because they're not lighting anybody up. Well, 480 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the accelerated pace is. Just like 481 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: I talked about last week, it's it's proving out to 482 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: have accelerated injuries as well. It seems like spags because 483 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: you've got all of these different groups that are being affected. 484 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: Uh some of them, it's just a matter of timing. 485 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: When you're talking about an ankle injury from Jordan Lewis, 486 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: that's just a matter of not really having your your 487 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: your upper body uh in congruence with your lower body. 488 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just really about balance and in regards 489 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: to your own body. And that's kind of those those 490 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: injuries that you're going to see a lot of the 491 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: muscle injuries that you're gonna look at, those are all 492 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: about just really not being in shape and your your 493 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: your uh, your tendoms are not really prepared for this 494 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: change in pace that your body has been accustomed to 495 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: throughout the off season. And even with the defensive backs, 496 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: I think with a Woozier uh he made he was 497 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: injured making an interception, Am I right? I believe it 498 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: did happen at that point, Yes, well, I'm pretty sure 499 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: his body was kind of allergic to making plays like that. 500 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: So you know, uh, those are the kind of that 501 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to deal with. You know, he's he's 502 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: looking back for the ball. Now. I don't think his 503 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: body is accustomed to his hand telling you're looking for 504 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: the ball. But I love the effort. It looked good. 505 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: I saw that on video, and of course he would 506 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: come up. You know, it didn't look like he was 507 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: limping at the time, but he came up a little 508 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: lane at the time. But I hope that doesn't discourage 509 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: him from trying to make more plays on the ball. 510 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's pray that he doesn't do that, you know, 511 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: And I thought I noticed one of the things to 512 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: try to not tire these guys out. Like they're rolling 513 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: guys in and out. It's a huge rotation. And it's 514 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: like when they when they have like the first team 515 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: off what looks like the first team offense out there, 516 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: and if they run of the pass pattern and the 517 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: receivers are down field, they don't. They don't wait till 518 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: those guys come back. They get in the huddle and 519 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: there's another three receivers in h and he's rolling the 520 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: same thing with the linebackers, the defensive line. They're rolling 521 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: guys in and the pace is pretty quick, but it's 522 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: quick with different guys. I don't know how they keep 523 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: tracked of how all the guys are in and out. 524 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: You know. If this was hockey, they would have too 525 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: many men on the field. But they're done a pretty 526 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: good job of having eleven on eleven and then they 527 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: they've gone back to this old drill. Ever since that, 528 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the Cowboys using it in a while. 529 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: They used to use it. Jimmy used it. I think 530 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: Switzer use it. It's eleven on nine where they don't 531 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: use two defensive linemen on the backside to basically make 532 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: sure no one's getting rolled up on, and so a 533 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: lot of their practices, you know, and that was my 534 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: concern about the past protection. There's only two guys rushing 535 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: and they're still getting to the quarterback. Yeah, but those tackles, Mickey, 536 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: they're not going to be playing in games starting September thirteenth, right, Yeah, absolutely, 537 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: Collins and Tyrn Smith will will be back out there. 538 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: The hopes are that Cam Irving is the swing tackle. 539 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: He's got some experience. He's played almost every position on 540 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: the offensive line, I think instead of center. And speaking 541 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: of center, the rookie Tyler beadish Is is really starting 542 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: to come on. Uh. You know, it's too bad he 543 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: didn't have preseason to get in games and kind of 544 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: show him what he can do. But he's he's a 545 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,439 Speaker 1: pretty tough little sucker in there. Uh. And I think 546 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,919 Speaker 1: from a you know, once he gets the recognition down, 547 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a pretty pretty good, 548 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: pretty good center for the Cowboys. How about Tylan Smith? 549 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: What is what is his injury? Is it a recurring injury? 550 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: Because when he goes down. Our offensive line totally changes. 551 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: It's in thy kevy. Yeah. I think he had a 552 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: tight hamstring, and that's all you've got to hear, not 553 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: a pull or strain. If it's tight on ty, it's like, okay, 554 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: go sit over there with September thirteenth is what we're 555 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: worried about, right. And the same thing with Lal Collins. 556 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: He he had somewhat of a tight back, I was told, 557 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: and it was kind of a leftover from last year 558 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: when end of the season he was having some back 559 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: issues and it kind of flared up again in the 560 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: off season before they even got here, and so they 561 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: were just being very cautious with him too, And so 562 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: knowing the Cowboys trainers and their mentality on this stuff, 563 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you don't have to play a 564 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: game on September first, you got to play a game 565 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: on September thirteenth. Let's make sure we can get these 566 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: guys to the game. You know, you think about what 567 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going through injury wise at the tackle position, 568 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: and this would be the third preseason game this weekend, 569 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: and I would think they probably the first team offense. 570 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: You'd be hard press to to make that decision to 571 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: send Dak Prescott in the first team offense out there 572 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: to play in the actual preseason game. When you've got 573 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: what you've got lining up at offensive tackle right now, 574 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: go absolutely, you'd be calling a lot of running plays, 575 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: I guarantee you. And it may not be handing the 576 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: ball to twenty one or twenty either. It would be 577 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,919 Speaker 1: a lot of quick a lot of quick passes. But 578 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,239 Speaker 1: you know what, the way they're doing it, they're given 579 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: some of these young guys like today John Vay Johnson, 580 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: who had a really good training camp last year and 581 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: then when the preseason game started he kind of faded 582 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: away a rookie wide receiver and he had a nice 583 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: day to day. And another guy that's gotten more opportunities lately, 584 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: it was Noah Brown and Bill. You know, I got 585 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: so tired of everybody wanted to talk about Noah Brown 586 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, yeah, he's a good blocker. Well, 587 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't want my wide receivers to be a good blocker, 588 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: I mean being good catchers. Right. Well, you know what, 589 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: I noticed that he dropped his listed weight from last 590 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: year this year and and by the way, the last 591 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: two years he was on injured reserve with an injury 592 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: and then they just kind of left him there because 593 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: they wanted to keep his right rights. Well, he's dropped 594 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: some weight. He looks more like a wide receiver now 595 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: than a tight end and he did years yea laster 596 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: now and he's getting downfield and catching the ball. Uh. 597 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: So to me, you know, we know who the top 598 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: three receivers are. And then after that, Cedric Wilson has 599 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: been really good and Noah Brown's coming on. So I 600 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: won't pick on him if he can continue to play 601 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: like that and tell me he's a good blocker. Okay, 602 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: Well I tell you what this would be the Uh, 603 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: this part of the training camp would usually be those 604 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: dog days of training camp stags, you know, where the 605 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: monotony is just really getting to you, especially to the veterans. 606 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: But speaking as a as a free agent, former free agent, 607 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: this was my time back in eighty one to really 608 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: make a difference in regards to the coach's eyes. My 609 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: first drill, I got cursed out by Jane Stallins. After 610 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: that I start to make up for it. So these 611 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: are the times, the preseason games where you get in 612 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: and try to make a difference, and especially in practice 613 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: These are the times when a younger player, someone who 614 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: wasn't as heralded as the other players that were drafted 615 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: or signed along with him in his class. These are 616 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: the times where you can make a difference and let 617 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: the coaches see you. No special teams like you talked about, Spag, 618 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: but when it comes to one on one, when you 619 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: put me in there with an entire team, or you 620 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: put me in there on seven on seven, this is 621 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: the time that I get to make a difference. And 622 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,919 Speaker 1: so I'm hoping some of the young guys really take 623 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: advantage this time, and like you're speaking of, some of 624 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: these they are doing it and some of them hopefully 625 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: can supplies the coaches. Yeah, one of the young free 626 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: agent rookie linebackers that has least got his hand up 627 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: in the air to say hey, I'm here, Francis Bernard 628 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: six foot two forty two from from Utah. The guys 629 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: made some plays on the ball, and he keeps showing up. 630 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: So even today he got some extra snaps because Luke Gifford, 631 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: the free agent linebacker who made the team last year, 632 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: was not dressed out for practice, so he got to 633 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: move up a notch and and so there's an example 634 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: of a guy getting some more reps and an opportunity 635 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: to do things. And he would be a guy that 636 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: if they were really doing special teams live, I think 637 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: he would show up. And that's how Gifford kind of 638 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: got his name in the uh you know, kind of 639 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: everybody to look at him last year because some special 640 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: teams things he was doing. So yeah, there are some 641 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: young guys. Because they're rotating guys so quickly and going 642 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: so fast, they're getting opportunities. So did they ask you 643 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: to play special teams you're rookie year? 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How different 715 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: is it for CD Lamb going up against NFL cornerbacks 716 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to say, big twelve cornerbacks or even LSU 717 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: cornerbacks like he did in a college football playoff last year. 718 00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,280 Speaker 1: And what as I'll set this up for you, ever person. 719 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, Michael Irvin was interviewing ceedee 720 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 1: Lamb on the NFL net work, and he was reminiscing 721 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: about his rookie training camp with the Cowboys, and he 722 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: said that there was a veteran cornerback by the name 723 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,240 Speaker 1: of Everson Walls who gave him fits during that first 724 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: training camp. But he looks back on that as a 725 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: great time for him because he had someone like Everson 726 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,359 Speaker 1: who basically taught him the ropes of how to try 727 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 1: to get open in this league. Because and so Everson, 728 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 1: what did what did? What do you remember from those 729 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: battles in training camp in Thousand Oaks in the late eighties. Well, 730 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: I think the bad drop on that was, you know, 731 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: when we bought Mike in as a team, we would 732 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: headed downhill. There's no doubt about it. That was Tom 733 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: Laddie's last year, if I'm not mistaken, And we didn't 734 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: know it at the time, but but signing Mike was 735 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: just a big hype. And I had never seen really 736 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: a wide receiver talk so much trash who had never 737 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,359 Speaker 1: even been on the field yet. And you know, but 738 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: but I knew that he was, you know, he was 739 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: gonna be he was gonna be around for a while. 740 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,600 Speaker 1: So of course, you know, I tried my best to 741 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: make sure that he knew what it was gonna be like. 742 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: And one thing you don't want as a veteran defensive 743 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,400 Speaker 1: back who's you know, already did all the things that 744 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: I could do as a cowboy. I can't let this 745 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: rookie coming here and show me. You know, I think 746 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 1: he was like eight years my senior. I'm eight years 747 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: his senior, and I couldn't let him come out here 748 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,279 Speaker 1: and embarrassed me because of course when he lined up, 749 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: everyone's watching, So I had to come out with my 750 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: best stuff. Bill, you know, I couldn't just jack him 751 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 1: up at the line of scrimmage. I pulled out one 752 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: of my best tricks of what we call the bill technique. 753 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: I would line up as if I'm gonna jack him up, 754 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,879 Speaker 1: and then I would bail out and play his own well. 755 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: I used that this guy, but we were still in 756 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,080 Speaker 1: man to man, so as I bailed out within five yards, 757 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: I stood in my ground, and so he thought I 758 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: was gonna continue to bail But I met him within 759 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: those five yards, and I met him with a lot 760 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,720 Speaker 1: of force. Both he and I about the same size. 761 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: So you're looking at at two guys. You know, you're 762 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: looking at six two d being the six two wide 763 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: receiver really going at it. One thing that Ceedee Lamb 764 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: will not be going up against, he will not be 765 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: going up against in practice, is at all pro defensive back. 766 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 1: That's one thing he has to realize. So it's only 767 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 1: gonna get tougher as he gets into the season. A wusier, 768 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: good player. You've got good cornerbacks out there for the Cowboys. 769 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna be you're gonna be going up 770 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: against some dynamic individuals. If I'm not Jalen Ramsey, yes, 771 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 1: that's who you're gonna have to deal with first game. 772 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: And not only is he going to try and take 773 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: your heart, he's gonna he's gonna try and demean you 774 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,880 Speaker 1: as he does it. So these are the things that 775 00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if Ceedee lamp ever came up against 776 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: what he did against those dbs in the Big Twelve 777 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: in the NC Double A, he must look forward to 778 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,319 Speaker 1: some of those things being turned around and happening to him, 779 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: because he will have his embarrassing moments. Trust me, they 780 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: will come. Mickey, do you remember watching ever single up 781 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 1: against Michael at training camp? Very vaguely because I think 782 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:39,480 Speaker 1: that eighty eight training camp was I only spent a 783 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: year at training camp that year, and after that, Tom 784 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: didn't let us watch practice. By the way, that I 785 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,279 Speaker 1: was not gonna happen once the season started, I guarantee you. 786 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: And then in eighty nine. Now I was at training 787 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: camp in eighty nine. But I think Mike matured a 788 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: little bit by time he got to that second year. 789 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: By the time he got to his second year, I 790 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,240 Speaker 1: would call he really impressed me. Uh. First of all, 791 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: after his first year he was hurt the entire season 792 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,080 Speaker 1: pretty much, and his first his his his first game 793 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 1: back was the last game of the season. If from 794 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,280 Speaker 1: the mistake it was, it was a game he toasted. 795 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: He toasted future Hall of Famer Daryl Green for a 796 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns and almost two hundred yards in receiving. 797 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,279 Speaker 1: So now he goes into the off season and here 798 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:42,240 Speaker 1: comes his boy Jimmy and Jerry, and boy, you saw 799 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: you saw his uh his participation in practice and his 800 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,440 Speaker 1: his uh his level of aggressiveness. You saw that uped 801 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: it was even up another chick. And so that's when 802 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: you start to see the Michael Irvin that you see today. 803 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: His rehab was some of the most uh groomsome and 804 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:10,640 Speaker 1: just tiring and intense uh activity. I've never seen anyone 805 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: work so hard to coming back from that injury, and 806 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,439 Speaker 1: that continued throughout his entire Hall of Fame career. So 807 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,840 Speaker 1: it was just good to be a part of that 808 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: because this guy was amazing. Yeah, I didn't get a 809 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: chance to cover that game against the last game of 810 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: the season because you guys were on your way to 811 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,240 Speaker 1: three and thirteen, and there was a yeah already by 812 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,520 Speaker 1: time that game was already said I think I had 813 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,759 Speaker 1: my vacation plans already. There was a more important game 814 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: going on in the NFC East, and they sent me 815 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: the Dallas Times. Harold sent me to another game to cover. 816 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: They said, nah, we need you to do this. So 817 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,919 Speaker 1: I missed his kind of coming out party. And then 818 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,479 Speaker 1: in eighty nine, I think it was five games into 819 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,880 Speaker 1: the season against San Francisco, when he's tour as ACLU 820 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: and by the way, his re So this is funny. 821 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: We were both living in Carrollton at that time and 822 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,719 Speaker 1: our path to Valley Ranch was the same. And I 823 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: remember one time it was after his surgery and it 824 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,400 Speaker 1: probably was early nineties, and I'm driving down Trinity Mills 825 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: and down the middle of the street. There wasn't a 826 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: median there. It was the middle of the street, and 827 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: I see this big guy on a bicycle and I've 828 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 1: never seen a seat so high on a bicycle peddling 829 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: down the middle of the road. It was Michael peddling 830 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 1: to Valley Ranch, probably a good five or six miles, 831 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: part of his rehab that he was serious about in 832 00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,359 Speaker 1: the offseason. I said, he's gonna scare everybody, this big 833 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: guy like that coming down the middle of the road. Well, 834 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, Mike has to always be seen at Valley 835 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,399 Speaker 1: ranch are out in the streets. That's just the way 836 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 1: it was. So that was just the shape of things 837 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,759 Speaker 1: to come stag. Yeah, absolutely, that was the way it 838 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: was with Michael, and it is the way it is 839 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,879 Speaker 1: with Michael today. All right, So how about Mickey, where 840 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,280 Speaker 1: do you think the Cowboys are at the safety position? 841 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 1: Because obviously the Ravens let go Earl Thomas earlier in 842 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: the week that's been in the headlines whether the Cowboys 843 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: should be interested in Earl Thomas. What are you seeing 844 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,560 Speaker 1: at the safety spot and should the Cowboys be interested in? Well, 845 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,960 Speaker 1: the sure thing at safety is Xavier Woods. They really 846 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,359 Speaker 1: like him and he's played well, so he's won safety. 847 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: Now they've been rotating guys at the other spot. Darien 848 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: Thompson's been getting a lot of snaps lately and so 849 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: they they like him. Now where Earl fits in, I 850 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,920 Speaker 1: think that's it's more than can this guy come in 851 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: and play? I think we probably know the answer that 852 00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,120 Speaker 1: he can. But again, you would like a guy on 853 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: your team that doesn't have as many interceptions as he 854 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,840 Speaker 1: has fights in the locker room with his teeth and 855 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: that's two each from last year, right, So you got 856 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,879 Speaker 1: to factor that in and then you know, I've always said, 857 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,480 Speaker 1: and I learned this, and I'm sure Everson will agree 858 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 1: with me. When you're looking for personnel decisions, who's playing, 859 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: who's going whatever, I always said, follow the money, right. 860 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: So if you look at the situation he was in Baltimore, 861 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:41,839 Speaker 1: if if they don't get win their grievance and get 862 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 1: his base salary back, which was a guaranteed ten million, 863 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: Now if he has ten million in his pocket, then 864 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,920 Speaker 1: you know I might be able to get him for 865 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 1: cheap because if I give him three million, he's made 866 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: thirteen million this year. But if the Ravens win that 867 00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,799 Speaker 1: grievance and they get that money back, He's not going 868 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: to play for three million dollars. He wants his ten million. 869 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,040 Speaker 1: And the other thing that stuck out to me on 870 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 1: this whole thing is the Ravens discontent with him. They 871 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,280 Speaker 1: were so fed up with him they took a fifteen 872 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 1: million dollar hit this year. If they don't get that 873 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: money back on the salary cap, it's dead money, and 874 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,799 Speaker 1: then ten more next year to get rid of them. 875 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,200 Speaker 1: So that's how badly they wanted him out of the 876 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:34,399 Speaker 1: locker room. So again, talent, Yes, could he fit in, Yes, 877 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: but would he fit into this locker room? And how 878 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: much does he want to be a part of the team. 879 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: And I think, how do you judge that until you 880 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: have the guy here? So to me, it's got to 881 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: be a you know, you play, you get paid kind 882 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,600 Speaker 1: of contract. Hey, to me, this is just like a marriage. 883 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: And regards to Arrol Thomas and the Ravens, they already 884 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: had underlying content issues. I mean, let's just be real 885 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: about that. They've been having issues since he came up 886 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys and then to Jason Garrett really campaigning 887 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,359 Speaker 1: for himself to come here. So there's always been some 888 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,719 Speaker 1: issues between that organization and with Earl Thomas. So that 889 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,839 Speaker 1: just continued. I mean, when you come into the locker 890 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 1: room and you know that that that condition is there, 891 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: you can feel it every time you come into the 892 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: locker room, So your attitude is going to depict what 893 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,560 Speaker 1: you're feeling at that time. I felt it in nineteen 894 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: eighty nine. You know one to fifteen team. I mean, 895 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,799 Speaker 1: you come in every day every week, is the same. 896 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 1: We're losing. We're losing. Well with Earl Thomas, it wasn't 897 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: that they were losing. I think he was losing the 898 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,759 Speaker 1: battle between himself and the organization. So there's still a 899 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: loss there that you feel, there's still a riff there. 900 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: And so that argument that he may have had with 901 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,399 Speaker 1: his teammate or whatever arguments he's having with management, that 902 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,879 Speaker 1: is something that was just that was just the tip 903 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,520 Speaker 1: of the iceberg. And let's just be real about that. 904 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,360 Speaker 1: They couldn't wait for this to happen. I'm sure he 905 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 1: couldn't wait for it to happen either, So this is 906 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: just the time to do it. It's just a matter 907 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: of how you're gonna split up the money, like you said, 908 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,720 Speaker 1: Fags and regard in regards in regards to him fitting 909 00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,160 Speaker 1: in into the Cowboys locker room, you would hope that 910 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,360 Speaker 1: that would look You would look at that as a 911 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,520 Speaker 1: different relationship, just like a marriage. As I said, hopefully 912 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,400 Speaker 1: this young lady might work out, and you might be 913 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 1: more compatible with this young lady than you were with 914 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 1: your previous wife. So that's just the only way you 915 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: have to look at it. He may not come to 916 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,640 Speaker 1: the locker room with the same attitude that he had 917 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 1: in Baltimore, because he might look at this as a 918 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,280 Speaker 1: totally different situation and a better relationship. So that's something 919 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,719 Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have to figure out if they even 920 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: have a chance to talk with Earl and see where 921 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,160 Speaker 1: his head is at in regards to his attitude coming 922 00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 1: into this locker room. Leave all of that baggage back 923 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,040 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Yeah, I just think from a contract standpoint, 924 00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: you've got to have a safety net in there that 925 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,520 Speaker 1: you just can't guarantee him this amount of money and 926 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,040 Speaker 1: then something flares up like it did. Look, I read 927 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,120 Speaker 1: a story in the Baltimore paper and it was talking 928 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: about before they let him go, their leadership committee or 929 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: whatever they call it, the top veteran guys. They got 930 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: together and they basically said, we want him out of here. 931 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: And we're talking about a team that's gotten designs on 932 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: winning a Super Bowl. And and and if I remember correctly, 933 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 1: he did get selected to the Pro Bowl last year 934 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,360 Speaker 1: even though he only had two interceptions, and they said, no, 935 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,600 Speaker 1: get him out of here. Because the guy in Kolcock 936 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: was one of the team leaders, it might have been 937 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: even a team captain, and it was a good guy 938 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: in the locker room. So Arl Thomas used to be 939 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 1: part of the veteran council, so to speak. So that's 940 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: how they held him in high regard until these last 941 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: few years. The last couple of years well, and seeing 942 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: the same thing kind of wore out as welcome in Seattle. 943 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: You know, now he wore is welcome out there. So 944 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think you got to look into that 945 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,959 Speaker 1: and figure out, Okay, how much of a difference would 946 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,840 Speaker 1: he make on this defense. But I'll tell you what, guys, 947 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,080 Speaker 1: when you look at this, this defensive line, and with 948 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: the addition of Everson Griffin and and all those poor 949 00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:36,280 Speaker 1: young tackles, they oh, gosh, I saw one. I saw 950 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,560 Speaker 1: one coming today where he's lined up at defensive end 951 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,840 Speaker 1: and he kind of rushes and he gets the guy 952 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: to the outside, and I'm going, oh, he's gonna do 953 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: a spin move and go inside right, And there was 954 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: a huge hole, and of course he did, and he 955 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 1: just went and he would have obliterated the quarterback. Right. So, 956 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,200 Speaker 1: when you put him on that defensive line and you 957 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: got guys like Alden Smith and DeMarcus Lawrence and then 958 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: whoever you want the fourth guy in there, throw them 959 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,200 Speaker 1: in there. Uh, they're going to create some problems, which 960 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: is going to help out your secondary uh. And and 961 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 1: so this will be an interesting deal with this defense 962 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:18,600 Speaker 1: because uh just Nolan, Nolan's background, he's going to be 963 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: more aggressive. Uh and and and the thing everybody keeps 964 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: talking about the players, even the cornerbacks, is how they're 965 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: disguising more of their coverages. It's like the coverages aren't 966 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: that much different, but we're not showing our hand before 967 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,280 Speaker 1: we get into what we're really gonna do. And and 968 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,480 Speaker 1: uh even that, and they're hoping that that pressure that 969 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: they bring up front, the cornerback will not have nearly 970 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 1: enough time to decipher the coverage, right, And that's what 971 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,520 Speaker 1: that's what the that's the advantage of being more aggressive 972 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,000 Speaker 1: and more unpredictable. And I think they're the linebackers are 973 00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: being more active, uh in in in their defenses and 974 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: what they're doing so as Mike Nolan's style. And I 975 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,400 Speaker 1: don't want to And I kind of said this the 976 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: other day when I did my segment on the Fan. 977 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, unless that safety is kind 978 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: of Darren Woodson safety, I'm not paying them big money. 979 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,440 Speaker 1: I just don't want to do that. And then I 980 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 1: was thinking, Okay, I'm gonna say this to Everson and 981 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: he finished his career play at safety. It makes no sense. 982 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're talking about. That's how 983 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: about this? They go, oh, that's good that you told 984 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: us that. Because we've got Woodie tomorrow for an interview. 985 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,080 Speaker 1: We'll tell him Smagnola doesn't value the safety. Yeah, he's 986 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 1: gonna be a little upset right when I when I 987 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 1: said it, I meant it from a financial like where 988 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: you allocate your resources, right, Yeah, thanks a lot. Yeah, Okay, 989 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not funny anymore because you're really good 990 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,400 Speaker 1: on this show. All right, that doesn't for this edition 991 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: to Mick Shots, and again the we got the Cowboys 992 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Night at the Stadium coming up on Sunday. It starts 993 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: at five o'clock here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com locally 994 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 1: and Dallas pot Worth on TXA twenty one and on 995 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,640 Speaker 1: TSA twenty one. By the way, on Sunday night after 996 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys Night, at eight o'clock, they're replaying Super Bowl twelve. 997 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 1: The Cowboys win over the Denver Broncos, So we have 998 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: that to look forward to this weekend as well. All Right, 999 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,040 Speaker 1: Thanks Everson, Thanks Mick, and we will see you again 1000 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,440 Speaker 1: next week here on Mick Shots. This has been a 1001 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,080 Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 1002 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Football Club.