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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's select

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Speaker 1: I've chosen our October twenty twenty one episode on the

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Speaker 1: Church of the SubGenius.

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Speaker 2: It's a neat little romp.

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Speaker 1: Through what started out as a couple of guys who

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Speaker 1: like pamphlets and turned a whole generation, well some percentage

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Speaker 1: of a whole generation, and the interesting people skeptical of

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Speaker 1: anything someone is trying to sell them on. As you

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Speaker 1: can hear from this intro, it's kind of difficult to describe,

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Speaker 1: so just enjoy listening to the episode.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's over there wandering

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Speaker 1: around in circles and this is Stuff you Should Know,

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Speaker 1: the podcast about the Church of the SubGenius at Long Life.

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Speaker 3: When did you become acquainted with the Church of the SubGenius.

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Speaker 1: I had a group of friends that walked on the

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Speaker 1: odd side of life, darker side of life, less you know,

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Speaker 1: less serious side of life. I'm not sure in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: and there was one guy who was big time into

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Speaker 1: the Church of the SubGenius.

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Speaker 2: What happens, right, man? That was my first introduction.

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Speaker 1: Then I actually came across the Hour of Slack on

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech's student radio once like in the early two thousands.

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Speaker 4: And record radio.

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Speaker 1: I never got into it, though, Are you actually like

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Speaker 1: a secret SUBGENII?

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Speaker 4: No, same as you.

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Speaker 3: I had a friend in college, a very influential friend actually,

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Speaker 3: who turned me onto a lot of different things as

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Speaker 3: I was just getting into college and exploring different ways

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Speaker 3: of life and thought pattern and uh and shirm sticks.

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Speaker 3: My buddy Jason. He turned me onto a lot of

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Speaker 3: things in life. And I've been able to tell him so,

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Speaker 3: which is always a nice thing. And Bob Dobbs and

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Speaker 3: the Church of SubGenius was one of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And like you might not be utterly familiar

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Speaker 1: a pretty good chance that a lot of stuff you

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Speaker 1: even being fully aware of what it is. But there's

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Speaker 1: a very very famous picture of a clean cut, mid

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Speaker 1: century middle aged dude with a pipe clenched in his

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Speaker 4: Almost Bateman meets word Cleaver exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever put it better than that.

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Speaker 1: And that is Jr. Bob Dobbs, who is the high

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Speaker 1: profit of the Church to the SubGenius, and he has

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Speaker 1: popped up everywhere from the background. At Peewee's Playhouse there

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Speaker 1: he shows up all over the place. It's almost like code.

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Speaker 1: And so you probably have seen it, even if you're

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Speaker 2: That's called the dobs Head.

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Speaker 3: Right, gathered from clip art, which we will see. It's

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Speaker 3: kind of one of the fun d jokes about a

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Speaker 4: We'll get into the history, but.

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Speaker 3: I have a sort of a favorite definition, and I

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Speaker 3: know you do, and maybe we'll just read both of them.

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Speaker 3: Mine comes from Steve Davis of the Austin Chronicle, and

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Speaker 3: he said this in the late seventies. The Church of

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Speaker 3: the SubGenius was intended as a dogmatic antidote to a

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Speaker 3: re emergent mediocrity, embracing an aesthetic and confluence with evolving

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Speaker 2: Very nice. That was great.

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Speaker 3: And what you yours was from Ed the Grabster himself.

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Speaker 4: You can kind of put it nice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, also from the Austin Chronicle. Yeah, so Ed said

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Speaker 1: that it's that the best way to explain the church

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Speaker 1: is it is a joke. But to get the joke,

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Speaker 2: Not bad, Ed, not bad.

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Speaker 4: So the whole thing Christ get scared a a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It's hilarious and cute, but the whole thing is that

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Speaker 1: it is a parody of a religion, a parody of

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Speaker 2: To get technical.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's an absurdist in joke, and the whole

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Speaker 2: But it's all kind kind of hung on.

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Speaker 1: The skeleton of this this doctrine of the prophet Bob Dobbs,

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Speaker 1: and like, either it sucks you in immediately and you're like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I just did there, And you'll see this

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Speaker 3: Church hanging out at one of their devibe they don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they will do this thing where they kind of.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is a huge, huge rabbit hole, and as

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Speaker 1: we'll see, like some people accidentally take it seriously and

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Speaker 1: That's not what the intention is or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: The intention is is to basically point out how just

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Speaker 1: becoming the parody that the Church of the SubGenius was

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Speaker 3: It had a very mad magazine vibe. You know something,

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Speaker 3: To help people understand, it's almost as if Mad Magazine

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Speaker 3: Then if people end up taking it seriously, you can

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Speaker 3: Of course, ALFREDY Newman is not God, and of course

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Speaker 3: Bob Dobbs is not God or the prophet. But these

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Speaker 3: guess a mini phenomenon. I don't know, man, I think

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Speaker 3: it's a major phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: I would say major as far as cult, classic or

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Speaker 1: we should preface all this, if it's not too late,

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Speaker 3: I know, because it is a fun, kind of cool

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Speaker 3: Douglas Saint, Clair Smith and Steve Wilcox to thank for this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the original outsider weirdos.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 3: You may not know by that name. If you're familiar

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Speaker 3: Ivan Stang and Filo Drummond. And these were two guys,

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Speaker 4: And whereas Stang.

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Speaker 3: I'll keep onting to Colin Wilcox, whereas Filos was more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whether it's extremest religious groups, extremeist like you know,

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Speaker 1: That that's the danger that comes out of modern life,

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Speaker 3: Joe Randazzo and I wrote a TV pilot together about

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Speaker 3: But in writing that script, we had to create our

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Speaker 3: All right, I think that is a great preamble. You're

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Speaker 3: the night at all hatched right after this. All right,

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Speaker 3: So these guys are hanging out, it's nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have I think Filo was the one. He

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Speaker 3: And Stang said, you know, we aren't geniuses. You know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can understand why if you've ever seen

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Speaker 1: The idea is that Ivan Stang is the sacred scribe

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Speaker 3: Right, And to reiterate, I don't know if I kind

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Speaker 3: Literally, that face that you see was a piece of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if it was a joke.

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Speaker 4: It's this concept of slack.

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Speaker 1: of those things where you or what is not slack

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00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: is easier to recognize than what is slack. And I'll

442
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: give you an example of something that happened today, Okay, okay,

443
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about this, I'm like, how are

444
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: we going to define slack?

445
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

446
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so.

447
00:23:55,119 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: I knocked over the toilet brush behind the toilet in

448
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: my bathroom, right, okay, And you know, like the little

449
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: drippings that end up in like the toilet brush holder.

450
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: Yes, they spilled out on the floor.

451
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the worst drippings.

452
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: The worst drippings.

453
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: I would have rather spilled like like like raw pork

454
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: juice onto my floor. Than those drippings, they're bad drippings, right,

455
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: bad dripping. So I spent the next ten minutes not

456
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: only like cleaning up those drippings, and I mean like

457
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: cleaning it up like there's there's some floor missing.

458
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: Now.

459
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: I scrubbed it so hard and then also cleaning the

460
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: holder for the scrub brushs before I put everything back.

461
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: And this is a totally unintentional, totally avoidable thing for

462
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: me to be doing. That took up ten minutes of

463
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: my life. I did not want to be doing it. It

464
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: was gross, it was yuck, and I realized, this is

465
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: the this is the perfect example of what is not slack.

466
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 4: It's the conspiracy.

467
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: It was the conspiracy that probably had something to do

468
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: with it. But the point was is like I was

469
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: doing something I didn't want to do, and I was

470
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: doing it. I was getting no reward from it whatsoever.

471
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: I was a little stressed out about it. It was

472
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: not slack. So slack is the opposite of that. It's

473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: where things are going your way. It's where you are

474
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 1: content and happy, and that doesn't necessarily mean you have

475
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: everything in life, like all the trappings of life, It

476
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: very frequently doesn't mean that. Instead, it's just whatever it

477
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 1: is that makes you content. And because it's undefinable, that

478
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: means that it's up to every SUBGENII to define what

479
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: is slack for them.

480
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the conspiracy is are the things that prevent

481
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: you from achieving slack. Originally, I think the conspiracy was

482
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: literally like the man that kind of thing, but it

483
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 3: evolved over the years to the point where one of

484
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 3: the guys in the documentary said it evolved to you know,

485
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: it was like when it rained really hard on a

486
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: day you were going to do something like, that's the conspiracy,

487
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: I gotcha. It's things I think conspiring against you. That

488
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: toilet brush knocking over definitely the conspiracy, right, because it

489
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: prevented you from, I guess, taking your your mid morning nap.

490
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: Right, and the under the teachings of Bob, the conspiracy

491
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: is actually an acronym for clicks of normals secretly planning

492
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: insidious rituals aimed at controlling you.

493
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: And that's a good.

494
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: One, I agreed.

495
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: And then under the doctrine like this is an actual

496
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: group who they don't know what slack is, but they

497
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: know it exists, and they're bent on stealing as much

498
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: of it as possible, and they start stealing it from everybody,

499
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: pinks and yetti from the moment you're born. And so

500
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: it's up to you to to steal it back, to

501
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,199
Speaker 1: get as much slack as you possibly can. But the

502
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: problem with the conspiracy is they're the ones running the

503
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: show here on Earth. They're the ones who are behind

504
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: consumer culture, and they've created this illusion that that what

505
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: what normals and pinks and uh non subgenia YETI who

506
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: haven't figured themselves out yet buy into as life is

507
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: all just this vast consumer conspiracy and that they actually

508
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: offer what appears to be slack, but it's like false

509
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: slack is what they call it.

510
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's manufactured slack.

511
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: So it's like the SubGenius wiki as awesome, and they

512
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: give examples of like pre planned recreation, like days off

513
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: from work that you earn or are given like these

514
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: are this is all false slack, Like it's somebody else

515
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: deciding what your slack is and yeah, buying into it.

516
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: And that is the that is not slack. Slack is

517
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: you have to decide what slack.

518
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: Is, right, and there's original slack. We're all born with

519
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 3: original slack according to the Church, and the conspiracy chips

520
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: away at that slack or sells you false slack over

521
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: the years to degrade your your natural slack that you're

522
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: born with.

523
00:27:59,720 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: Yep.

524
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: And then there's also involuntary slack, which is my favorite slack.

525
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: And this is like if you lose your job or something,

526
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 3: if you get fired, this is just involuntary slack that

527
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 3: Bob is sending your way to force you to take

528
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: a little time off.

529
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

530
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: I saw a video from I guess two thousand and

531
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: nine or ten, and it called the Great Recession the

532
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: Great Slack Session, and it basically said, like the financial

533
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: markets have melted down, and it had like this real

534
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: dramatic music of millions of people are out of work.

535
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: No one has a clue about what to do about it.

536
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: Victory is at hand. There's one other thing I want

537
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: to say about slack.

538
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: Two.

539
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: There are basically two groups, two approaches or philosophies as

540
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: far as slack is concerned. And I think it's pretty

541
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: interesting that the whole concept has gotten this far. It's

542
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: of all into something and I think this is a

543
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: really good example of what happens with the Church's teachings,

544
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: like these guys just wrote some crazy stuff like back

545
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: in the seventies, eighties, even into the nineties, and then

546
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: other people who kind of vibed on it came along

547
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: and expanded it. Like I read an essay on the

548
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: scissors of Sight and apparently that's mentioned offhandedly and pamphlet

549
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: number one, and somebody wrote a whole essay about how

550
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: they're still trying to figure out what those are and

551
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: they think it's from a crystal in Atlantis, and it

552
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: was just just like, that's.

553
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Just what they do.

554
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: It's almost like they're putting stuff out there as like

555
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: thoughts starters for other people's creativity to kind of sprout from.

556
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, the two paths for slack has kind of

557
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: split between these two groups, the Rewardians and the emergent tiles, right.

558
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the emergent tiles are getting their slack because

559
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: they're getting the things done that they kind of feel

560
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: like they want and need to get done, but it's

561
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: under a deadline from someone else. But then they have

562
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: their slack and then the Rewardians don't think this is

563
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: more like two of Steve stuff. Did you ever see

564
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: that movie?

565
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: No, I need to though I'm well aware of it.

566
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: Sort of that was sort of that guy's deal.

567
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: He was just like he had this life philosophy and

568
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: he would have really fit in with the with these folks,

569
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: with the Rewardians. They basically like slack off all the time,

570
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: don't do any work until you absolutely have to write.

571
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: I think there's quite a bit of pot involved everyday

572
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

573
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: Sure, that wouldn't surprise me.

574
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 1: And that's what I think most people would think of

575
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: when they think of like slacking, Like, yeah, that's what

576
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: you do when you slack, you don't work, You sit around,

577
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: you smoke pot, you're like never put on pants or

578
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: anything like that, and you're just having the time of

579
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: your life as long as like that's what you want

580
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: to do. Emergentis you're like, no, no, there's another way

581
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: to do this. Like I feel really good about accomplishing

582
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: something about like setting a goal and meeting it about

583
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: but that's my goal. Like I want to learn how

584
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: to climb a mountain, So I'm going to go learn

585
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: how to climb a mountain and climb that mountain, and

586
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: during that whole process, I'm slacking, Like that's my slack.

587
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: So those are kind of like the two ways of

588
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: doing it, and apparently the two groups kind of pity

589
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: each other and think they have it completely backwards. But

590
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: the point is neither group is right or wrong, because

591
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: it's all up to the individual.

592
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: What your slack is.

593
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: I mean, what these guys really it's such a time

594
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: and place thing. They were born out of this sort

595
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 3: of spirit of the Mary Pranksters, sixties counterculture kin keezy

596
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: kind of thing, but they came along at a time

597
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: where that had been bulldozed over and the Eighties were

598
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 3: being born, which was about as anti you know, sixties

599
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: counterculture vibe as you can imagine. But these guys still

600
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: had that sort of fun, playful idea, and you know,

601
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: this was their invention. I just I always think it's

602
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: just so fun and so cool. I every time I

603
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: see a devible or a live show, I absolutely do

604
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: not want to be there, no, but I think it's awesome.

605
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: It was I liken it to when I saw Spinal

606
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: Tap in concert. They actually toured when I was in college,

607
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: and I was such a fan of the movie. And

608
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 3: when they played the Fox Theater and we all went

609
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: and I had it was not fun at all because

610
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: it was like it was funny as a movie, but

611
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: you're at this rock and roll show that is supposed

612
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: to kind of be funny. But there were also people

613
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 3: that were really getting into the rock and roll and

614
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know. I was stuck in between worlds. I

615
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: didn't know how to feel. And when I was watching

616
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: these SubGenius live shows, I was kind of like, oh,

617
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: that's like spinal Tap live. I don't want to be there,

618
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: but I'm glad people are enjoying it.

619
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's kind of like yeah, and dude, they are

620
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: enjoying it. The people who go to those are genuinely

621
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: having like the time of their lives. Like that's their

622
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: time to like just like just be themselves as much

623
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: as they ever have in their lives. I love it.

624
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: It's almost like I would compare it to a like

625
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: a meeting of the Juggalos, a comic con, and a

626
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: guar show all mixed together. That's what the Divibles these

627
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: days kind of seem like. Just based on what I've

628
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: seen on the internet.

629
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's good. I like it.

630
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: And if you're if you think this is all really dumb,

631
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: then you probably would not like their motto. They have

632
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: a lot of sayings and mottos, but they're chief one

633
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: that they kind of yell out at these devibles is

634
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: FM if you can't take a joke, or if they

635
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: can't take a joke, right, And I mean.

636
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: It's right there there.

637
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: It's amazing to me that some people took this too

638
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: seriously because the motto is literally, this is a joke.

639
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Right yeah, And and it is really kind of like

640
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: disconcerting because like if you do take it seriously, like

641
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: you really have to go to great lengths to get

642
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: past all the winks, the nods, the absurdity of everything.

643
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: It suggests that there's like you're you're more soft than

644
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the average cult member because you're actually taking a joke

645
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: cult as a cult.

646
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: It's like when fight Club got too serious, you started

647
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: blowing up buildings and stuff.

648
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, except there was.

649
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: No violence involved in the Church of the SubGenius.

650
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Now they're they're peaceful.

651
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: It's right, because they're all stoned.

652
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of them are.

653
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are like the Frank

654
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: Zappa types, or they're just weird and they have nothing

655
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: to do with drugs or alcohol or anything too, you know.

656
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 4: Those are they were born with original stoned.

657
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's exactly right.

658
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: It requires no drugs.

659
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: Apparently, Frank Zapple was a real jerk to people who

660
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: did drugs, Like he had that cafe or restaurant or

661
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: club or whatever, and he would kick you out if

662
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: he thought you were on pot.

663
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 4: That's conspiracy.

664
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little pink from what I can tell.

665
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 4: Interesting.

666
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And you said also, if this kind of

667
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: stuff seems weird to you or whatever, or you don't

668
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: like it, like, that's a pretty like fairly normal reaction.

669
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean there's anything wrong with you now. But

670
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that it might make you feel

671
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: a little wobbly or a little shaky, or like you're

672
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: missing something, or like you're being made fun of. That

673
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: kind of weird feeling in your stomach is because you

674
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: probably are being made fun of. Like if you're not

675
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: in on the joke, like I said earlier, by definition,

676
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: you're you're part of the butt of the joke.

677
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: You're a member of that group.

678
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: And if you actually are actively getting offended at what

679
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: they're saying and doing, because one of the threads of

680
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: humor that they very frequently use is bad taste shock value,

681
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just basically the opposite of PC, Like they

682
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: really don't care for PC very much. And if you're

683
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: deeply offended by this stuff and you actually like respond

684
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: to it, you're actually kind of proving their point that

685
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: you are maybe a little too wrapped up in this

686
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: culture that they that they're basically saying, like this, this

687
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: is a fraud. This is all a fraud, and and

688
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: like you're you're proving that that there's problems with it

689
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: by getting mad at something.

690
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: We're you know, at a joke.

691
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 4: Basically, yeah, and.

692
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 3: You know, before you start feeling too sorry for these

693
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: people because they're being made fun of as like squares

694
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 3: who aren't hip to the joke and don't get the joke.

695
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: I mean, the original reason this was started was because

696
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: these very people were outcast and being bullied by those

697
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: very people to begin with.

698
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 1: Right, So let's take a break, man, We'll talk about

699
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: some of the lower points in the Church of the

700
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: SubGenius that have happened across the years.

701
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: Huh, let's do it.

702
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: So if you went to a dvible, one of the

703
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: things you would find, Chuck is, especially an early one,

704
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: is a lot of like put on preaching, like evangelical

705
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: mock preaching. But the what the the guy's doing is

706
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: like doing a fire and Brimstone preacher bit. Yeah, but

707
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: what he's saying is espousing you know, Bob stuff about

708
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, if the FM, if they can't take a

709
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: joke or you know whatever, and that like doesn't sit

710
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: very well usually with people. But also it never really

711
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: sits very well with me because it's obnoxious even in

712
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: its real form, and it's super obnoxious when it's like mocked, because.

713
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: That's so I wouldn't want to be there.

714
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

715
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the anti music is another reason.

716
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: That was the next thing I was going to get

717
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: to is like, if you if you are not super

718
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: into this and probably on a pretty decent amount of

719
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: acid back in like nineteen eighty five or four, the

720
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: anti music would probably turn you off too.

721
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: I know, I don't like it at all either.

722
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

723
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: It's basically the idea is that they would get a

724
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: bunch of instruments and you could just do whatever you

725
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: want with them, and the ideas that you can't play

726
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 3: these things, these are not skilled musicians or not even

727
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: musicians at all, and they would just make noise with them,

728
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: and you know, when watching the documentary, you get the

729
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: idea from some of them that it's sort of like

730
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: the drum circle that finally everyone gets in synchronicity for

731
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: a minute. You're like, oh, okay, something just happened. That

732
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: would happen occasionally, apparently with the anti music is that

733
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: it would coalesce at a certain point. Or maybe that

734
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: was a drugs talking, but basically it's a bunch of

735
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 3: people making a lot of awful noise and screaming.

736
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: Yes, there was actually a time during the at Devibles,

737
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I think during the nineties maybe where a schism in

738
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: the church.

739
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: Developed was very much planned.

740
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So the idea was so one of the

741
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: big parts of the one of the tenets of the

742
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: church is there the like the world's going to end

743
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: eventually on X day. And X Day was originally slotted

744
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: for July fifth, nineteen ninety eight, and that came and went,

745
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: and there were no UFOs driven by sex goddesses to

746
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: come whisk off the Subgenii to planet X to live

747
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: out the rest of their eternity partying and then but

748
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: the fact that this was coming along, the church decided, like,

749
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen to the Pinks

750
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: after that, so we need to decide. And the schism

751
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: was formed between people who said, well, there'll probably be

752
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: sub Subgenii who want to stay and rule the world,

753
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: and we can just let them rule the Pinks from

754
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: there on out. And then the other group said, no, no, no,

755
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: all the Pinks are going to be slaughtered on next day.

756
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: There won't be any Pinks left. And apparently this.

757
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: Differing opinion on basic church doctrine was a thread that

758
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: was carried on for a very long time.

759
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: It was, and I think we just need to be

760
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: really clear. A schism was written into the script of

761
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: the Church of the SubGenius. Okay, it was nothing formed.

762
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: It was they wrote a heel basically into their wrestling

763
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: show with Papa Joe Mama, who was the leader of

764
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: the Holocaustals who believed and again all in jest, but

765
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: he believed like go out and shoot the rich basically,

766
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: like kill these people. And I think it was Stang

767
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 3: was the leader of the Evangelicals, which was, yeah, let's

768
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: just enslave them basically and keep them alive. And two

769
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: things here, first of all, in that they eventually had

770
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: a big show in the eighties, kind of jumping back.

771
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 3: In San Francisco, they had these sort of small tent

772
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 3: devivals with one hundred people, and then in San Francisco

773
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 3: they booked this theater for two nights, nine hundred seat

774
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: theater for two nights, and we're like, we don't really

775
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 3: know if we can do this, and they had set

776
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: builders and set designers and it became a real actual thing.

777
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: The news covered it, and they did. They covered it,

778
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 3: and they had a fake assassination of Bob. Bob finally

779
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: came out.

780
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: He walked down on stage and them bang, he was

781
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: immediately shot.

782
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: But apparently they started doing this a lot Bob had.

783
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: You know, Bob had many, many lives and could be

784
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: killed over and over again assassinated.

785
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: So there was that.

786
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: And then after X Day, judging from the documentary, is

787
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: when it seemed to like kind of go bad and

788
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: not go bad in that everybody really started believing and

789
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: it became this really scary thing. But it sort of

790
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: lost its jush a little bit, and there were some

791
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: people and I think one person specifically even went up

792
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: to Stang. I don't know if it was the X Day.

793
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: I think it was San Francisco show in nineteen eighty four.

794
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and he was, you know, obviously someone who

795
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: needed some real help because he thought this was all real.

796
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: Was was livid that it wasn't being taken seriously and

797
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: that people were laughing. And that's when Stang was like

798
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: a man like kind of this was bound to happen.

799
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: But it also made him sad because I'd never wanted

800
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: anything like this.

801
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Right, and that was the reason why. So like the

802
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: documentary that was made by Sandy K. Boone, who was

803
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: involved in a few other pretty great documentaries recently, including Tower,

804
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's the Tower, just Tower, the one

805
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: about the the Charles Whitman, the shooting at the university

806
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: back in the sixties.

807
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing. So I remember Waking.

808
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Life that that whole thing link Letter did with the animation.

809
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: They did that for this documentary and it really like

810
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: had the rotoscoping.

811
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 4: Cool.

812
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 2: Yes, So she was involved in that as well.

813
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: But she made this documentary apparently her late husband was like,

814
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: what a great adherent in the truth of the SubGenius,

815
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: and she made it also kind of as an ode

816
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: to him as well. But in it, Stang and Filo

817
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: break character and like, yeah, hadn't broken character for thirty

818
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: something years, right, Like they've done interviews, they've like like print, TV, radio,

819
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: like they've done the radio show, They've like written tons

820
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: of books. They just don't break character. That's just part

821
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: of their jam. And for this documentary they did, and

822
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: they said the reason why, at least Stang said, the

823
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: reason why he did was because they're kind of getting

824
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: on in years and he wants to make sure that

825
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: it's perfectly clear before he dies that this is a

826
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: joke and that everybody knows it was a joke and

827
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: it's always been a joke, and there's like you need

828
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: to take it as a joke so that it doesn't

829
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: accidentally turn into something like scientology down down the line. Yeah,

830
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: he said, you watched it, right, Yeah, Yeah, I didn't

831
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: watch it right before this.

832
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: I saw it several months ago, yeah, he said.

833
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: And this kind of sums it up in the way

834
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: that it makes sense, but it doesn't. And this is

835
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: in relation to that guy who really came up to

836
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 3: him and other people that really thought it was real.

837
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: He said, we wanted, we always wanted to trick people,

838
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: but we didn't really want to trick people, right.

839
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. They

840
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: were fascinated by the.

841
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: Fact that people could be tricked, Yeah.

842
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: And they wanted to explore that and make fun of it,

843
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: and they invited other people to explore it and make

844
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: fun of it. But it wasn't too hurt anybody that

845
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: they weren't actually trying to exploit anybody. Like the idea

846
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: of having you, having you become a part of become

847
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: a member, sending your dollar, become ordained by and all

848
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: that sales stuff, was to point out that that's what

849
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: was going on in the real world, you know.

850
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this sort of came to a head in

851
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: the nineties when they it was just after Columbine. They

852
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: had a live show planned in Boston and Popu Joe Mama,

853
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: who was again their sort of scripted heel agent provocateur,

854
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: got on a think a radio show and somehow reference Columbine.

855
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: It was a little unclear.

856
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: I think he blamed Columbine on the Church of the SubGenius.

857
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 4: Oh, was that what it was? Okay?

858
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: Because I couldn't quite tell what the reference was, but

859
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 3: it was clear that that was over the line for

860
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: both Filo and staying and the show was originally canceled

861
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: by the theater, and then a real church I think

862
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: like an Episcopal church stepped up weirdly and said you

863
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: can have it at our church, and then they got

864
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: bomb threats and they said, well, no, I guess we

865
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 3: can't do that, and then I think they ended up

866
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: having it in a like a public park or something.

867
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: But that was sort of like where it. You know,

868
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 3: the the nineties weren't too kind to the not just

869
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: like the numbers, but you know, once the Internet was born,

870
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: and that was like really when the consumer culture and

871
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: the internet boom happened for real, it was just so

872
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: antithetic to the Church of the SubGenius. It seemed to

873
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 3: kind of fade away until later on when the Internet

874
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: kind of helps revive it again.

875
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: So my take is that what really kind of let

876
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: it down hill, not to say that there's like like it,

877
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: not to say that it it went downhill on its own,

878
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: like that just just the world changed, yeah, and there

879
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: was like the world became the parody. Not it wasn't

880
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: like straight any longer. It was just a joke, but

881
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: that was real life now. So you can't satirize something

882
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: that is the satire that you're coming up with. There's

883
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: just no way to do it.

884
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely right.

885
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: And that's you know, America changed quite a bit in

886
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: the last like twenty years, and that the like what

887
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: do you like how you just can't you can't satirize

888
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: something when it becomes this weird version of itself that

889
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: you were using before it encoached on your turf kind

890
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: of thing, you know.

891
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the last like ten minutes of the

892
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: documentary sort of focus on the Trump administration and these

893
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: fringe groups that started online there saying this crazy, made

894
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: up stuff and that really puts a hurting, like you said,

895
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: on something like the Church of the SubGenius as far

896
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: as being and their numbers were never huge, but I

897
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: get the idea from watching it that's staying still has

898
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: people that write in that still send him some money.

899
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: He told one funny joke about getting a payment upon

900
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: receipt envelope that like he had to pay two dollars

901
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: to even open this thing, and he was all perturbed

902
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 3: about that, and that was one thousand dollars in cash,

903
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 3: so really and he took half of it and immediately

904
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: took it to a sick friend, Like that's the kind

905
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 3: of guy he is.

906
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. Yeah, he struck me as that as well.

907
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 3: But he's still you know, paying his mortgage stuff and envelopes.

908
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because I think like if you go back

909
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: and you read the original books and you know, even

910
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: still I was reading like the wikia that it explained

911
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: all of the different stuff is hilarious and like totally

912
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: worthwhile and still applies today. Like it's like in a

913
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 1: certain way, it's timeless even though it screams Reagan era,

914
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, but it's still it still makes sense

915
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: because we still have like a consumer driven culture that

916
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: is that has a lot to do with gender norms

917
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: and conformity and exploiting people for their labor. Like all

918
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: that stuff is still going on. So the original stuff

919
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: still still stands and still holds.

920
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they you know, Mark mother Spaw of Devo

921
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: and I can't remember the other guy's name in Devo.

922
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: They were way into it. Penn Gillette, Nick Offerman, Richard Linklader,

923
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: Paul Rubins, Pee Herman's Playhouse out of Bob Dobbs on

924
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 3: his Big Wall collage. These were all people that were

925
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: attracted to it. It was a lot of dudes, of course,

926
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: but they do interview a few of the women in

927
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: the original group that said, like, we were outcasts and

928
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: we wanted to meet these weirdo guys, and this is

929
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: where we did it, Like we went there because it

930
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: was mostly guys. Yeah, and you know when we could

931
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: meet these these dudes, but it was very male oriented.

932
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I just like I said, I

933
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: never I always had fun reading about it and hearing

934
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 3: about it, but never wanted to get too involved just

935
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: because I had too much of a pink.

936
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 4: I guess.

937
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, it is a lot of fun to read about,

938
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: for sure. Like there's a lot of stuff out there

939
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: on the Internet to.

940
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: Read, and I this is like ten percent of it.

941
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: I encourage. Yeah, there's there. It's huge.

942
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: It's an enormous, huge rambling, Like what do you call

943
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: a group of beliefs in scripture and doctrine mythos? I

944
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: guess maybe yeah, canon, Yeah, canon, that's what I was

945
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: looking for. There's a huge, extensive cannon and it's a

946
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: lot of fun, especially the older stuff. Some of the

947
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: newer stuff is not that funny because it's and I

948
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: don't mean new, I mean like mid two thousands, the

949
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: mid auts kind of stuf started to really lose its

950
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: sense of humor. Some people lost their sense of humor

951
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: and got real serious about it. The eighties and nineties

952
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: stuff is hilarious. I strongly recommend going to read an

953
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: explanation of the male to female discrepancy in the Church

954
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: of the SubGenius by Reverend Nancy Regalia and.

955
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 4: By the real book.

956
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I don't think that was in the book.

957
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: That was just supplemental stuff. It was an essay explaining it.

958
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: But it also is more like a kind of a

959
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: call to arms for those girls who never felt like

960
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: are always recognized that they were kind of being forced

961
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: into certain gender roles and did never feel good about it.

962
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: She had it quoted, it's not enough to simply burn

963
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: your bras why stop there burn a few bridal boutiques

964
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: in city Hall while you're at it. It's just a

965
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: It's a good essay for sure, totally worth reading. So, yeah,

966
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to say about the Church of

967
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: the SubGenius, but we'll just leave it to you. I

968
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: feel like we should just part with It's a joke.

969
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 2: It is a joke.

970
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: Ultimately, it's a joke and take it as that. Okay, man,

971
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: you got that down, you got some yetti, and you

972
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: pink boy?

973
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 4: Oh maybe?

974
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: Uh? And since I called Chuck a pink boy, it's

975
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: time for listener mail.

976
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 3: Keeping it short and sweet. Here with a quick correction

977
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Speaker 3: from a new listener. Okay, hi, guys, I'm a very

978
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: new listener and I love what I've heard so far. However,

979
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: just three episodes in about the Magna Carta, one of

980
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: you off handedly suggested that William the Conqueror was a

981
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: beloved English king because he annexed Normandy after the Battle

982
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: of Hastings. It was me, that's pretty much backwards, guys.

983
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: He was a Norman king who conquered England at that battle.

984
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 3: William's story would make a great episode. That is from

985
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: Scott Scattergood in Suon Korea.

986
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, Scott, since you're new, you obviously don't know that

987
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: most of the viewpoint that we give on stuff you

988
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: should know is from the Vikings view point. So we

989
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: had it right, Okay, good Scott scattered Good, what a

990
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: great name, right, Yeah?

991
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: What happens if you scramble Scott around? Scatter's good?

992
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: If you want to get in touch with this like

993
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: Scott did. You can send us an email to stuff

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