Speaker 1: Hey, Fanorritos, and welcome to part two of our interview
Speaker 1: with the incomparable Joey McIntyre. You know this is a
Speaker 1: dream interview for me, and we know that you can
Speaker 1: never get enough joe mac, So let's.
Speaker 2: Get to it.
Speaker 1: Do you have similar feelings in that you got to
Speaker 1: you get to do it again? I know, like the
Speaker 1: band's been together longer now than you were originally in
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: But the gift is that you go back to two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, and we.
Speaker 4: Were babies then, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: We were freaking babies then, right yeah, And so it
Speaker 3: actually opened up all all this stuff again right now. Yes,
Speaker 3: we were still riding this wave of like wow, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, so much joy. But now all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, after fifteen years, I'm thrown back into
Speaker 3: these four other big personalities that mean so much to me,
Speaker 3: that are such a part of my life. Ye that
Speaker 3: I was away from, Yeah we kept in touch and whatever,
Speaker 3: but like to be back in there again. All my
Speaker 3: stuff came back up, All of it came back up,
Speaker 3: and I made, you know, a lot of the same
Speaker 3: mistakes I made new mistakes. It just happened to be
Speaker 3: you know, my place to work out all my crap.
Speaker 3: And I, you know, thankfully the first couple of years,
Speaker 3: by the first by like twenty ten, well, by the
Speaker 3: end of like two thousand and nine, I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, is that saying if you see three apples
Speaker 3: in one day, you're the apps.
Speaker 4: It's you, right, that's my rule. Yeah, yeah, the first on,
Speaker 4: the second one, so third one.
Speaker 3: So there were fours and maybe you know it turned
Speaker 3: out I was, you know, because I was ranting and
Speaker 3: rating about everything like in like I knew, I guess
Speaker 3: I didn't know. Just by the grace of God, like
Speaker 3: I decided to take a look and you know, start
Speaker 3: working on myself and focusing on myself. And slowly but
Speaker 3: surely I did that and like you do it imperfectly.
Speaker 3: And I mean that's that's the gift of you know,
Speaker 3: going to work every day whatever it is, right, is
Speaker 3: trying to you know, take care of yourself. You know,
Speaker 3: two things being true at the same time, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like I can take care of myself,
Speaker 3: and also everybody else doesn't have to be the enemy,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, and it was all
Speaker 3: those It's so simple, right, It's like wax on wax off,
Speaker 3: but like it doesn't feel that way ever. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's that was my experience. So is it healing
Speaker 3: yes along the way, absolutely, yeah, it's it's been. It's
Speaker 3: been healing and very very much so, you know, even
Speaker 3: in the last couple of years. But the healing, you know,
Speaker 3: process and getting to healing doesn't again doesn't feel like.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like no, yeah, the healing isn't ever
Speaker 5: like a destination. It's a journey. Like they say, you're
Speaker 5: not ever. You don't get the degree in all of
Speaker 5: a sudden you're done and you're healed, and I can
Speaker 5: go on my merry way.
Speaker 3: Nice exactly, But yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5: And I mean family dynamics, you know whatever that family is,
Speaker 5: our family dynamics things.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just you can't.
Speaker 5: Put aside how you've always gotten along and you know,
Speaker 5: like you said, hopefully as you become an adult.
Speaker 4: You just go, oh wait, I have some stuff to
Speaker 4: work out here.
Speaker 3: It's not just you know, And again with the two
Speaker 3: things can be true at the same time, like family dynamics.
Speaker 3: Of a lot of it was because I was the
Speaker 3: youngest of nine kids and by the time I came along.
Speaker 3: Everyone just wanted to save me from like the craziness,
Speaker 3: like the good, the bad, and the ugly, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So I had a great narrative. You know.
Speaker 3: My dad would say he's blessed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was like all the things like and I didn't
Speaker 3: know it was. You know, as much as I want
Speaker 3: to like dive into the dynamics of me being the
Speaker 3: youngest and a group of five guys, like just in
Speaker 3: the last few years, I've realized that, like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is what it looks like to have siblings like rage,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, you know, because it so it takes away
Speaker 3: the uniqueness of it and it goes you know, oh,
Speaker 3: it's oh, you don't know what I'm dealing with. It's like, no,
Speaker 3: that that's what it looks like for most siblings.
Speaker 4: That's simply right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, so those two things, it's like
Speaker 3: there's that and also.
Speaker 4: Right, I can love you and you can drive me nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so and and and and it doesn't mean
Speaker 3: like it's black and white and someone both things can
Speaker 3: be true at the same exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I definitely get that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's it's been nice to be able to
Speaker 5: kind of come back to all of this and you know,
Speaker 5: along with other podcasts like Podmeats World and you know, uh,
Speaker 5: Christine Lincoln and Stacy Keenan's podcast, and you know, like
Speaker 5: getting to come back and still be friends with people
Speaker 5: that we all kind of grew up in this weird
Speaker 5: world together and be able to be like, ah, huh,
Speaker 5: we made it. And I think we're all kind of
Speaker 5: normal now, Like you know, I think we all made
Speaker 5: it through to being functional adults sort of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, most of the time.
Speaker 1: This yeah, well, this is probably a good segue into
Speaker 1: your newest album Freedom.
Speaker 2: I love the album. It's it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's when I first heard it, I'm like, oh, is
Speaker 1: this Joe's midlife crisis album?
Speaker 2: You know, But there's lots of like much I don't know.
Speaker 1: Am I reading into lots of like tailored swift easter
Speaker 1: egg type things in there?
Speaker 2: But maybe they have deeper meetings. I don't know. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about what the album means.
Speaker 1: For you as a solo artist, trying to break away
Speaker 1: from this role that you've been known as for the
Speaker 1: last forty years as the youngest new kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, it's you know, I'm
Speaker 3: very satisfied with the final you know, product, which is
Speaker 3: a good feeling as as you guys can imagine, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, be it, you know, creating anything,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just like that sounds
Speaker 3: very simple, but lots of times it's like I wish
Speaker 3: I did this, I wish I did that. Oh if
Speaker 3: I could have just and I don't have those you know,
Speaker 3: thoughts or feelings with this one, which is you know,
Speaker 3: a nice, nice thing, you know, as much as you
Speaker 3: know it's it is a mid life crisis. But it's
Speaker 3: almost like when people tell me, like when I was
Speaker 3: doing some like you know, listening parties, I was pitching
Speaker 3: this idea of like it's a twenty five year old protagonist,
Speaker 3: like this kid is twenty five, and it makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense because it's that arrested development, right, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It goes back to like what
Speaker 3: we've been through Child Stars and this whole thing, and
Speaker 3: then like it takes so long to like get to oh,
Speaker 3: you know that story. I guess it might be like
Speaker 3: if I was normal, I'd have figured it out all
Speaker 3: by twenty five, you know, but like you know, I
Speaker 3: would have went to college and I would have got out.
Speaker 3: And I think we know that's not true either, But
Speaker 3: I think there's a I guess which a I'm grateful for,
Speaker 3: you know, is that there is this fire in the
Speaker 3: the the energy of the album. And you know, as
Speaker 3: much as I want to, you know, maybe stamp my
Speaker 3: feet sometimes and going why do I have to still
Speaker 3: work this out, it's like that's the fire. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's what that's what gets you, you know, out and
Speaker 3: after something. And I was able to, you know, put
Speaker 3: it into ten songs, and you know, having it just
Speaker 3: be ten songs to me is very kind of classic.
Speaker 3: And again, the albums that we grew up with were
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 5: Could almost fit on an actual record, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: There's an A side on the B side.
Speaker 3: And I and and I always you know, when I
Speaker 3: when I was sending it to people, even friends, because like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's just I know by now that
Speaker 3: it's it's not you know, we send each other things
Speaker 3: all the time, you know what I mean. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you guys get scripts and ideas and you go, oh
Speaker 3: my god, it didn't read that yet, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, it's not personal, you know, but I
Speaker 3: mean like it's thirty two minutes, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: literally thirty two minutes. So it's a car ride. It's
Speaker 3: like every car ride in Mes Angeles. But but I mean,
Speaker 3: where do I start. Yeah, it's it's it's very.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Some of the songs are kind of on the nose. Uh.
Speaker 3: Some of them are easter eggy, and some of them
Speaker 3: are just songs that stand on their own. I mean
Speaker 3: the last one is probably a song called Shut Up
Speaker 3: and Sing. It's a little bit on the nose as
Speaker 3: far as you know Joe's story and like his path,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And it was what I'm
Speaker 3: glad about is I've been able to share that openly
Speaker 3: and I'm you know, it's there's nothing controversial about it,
Speaker 3: you know, which I was. I didn't know how that
Speaker 3: was going to be, but I kind of I think
Speaker 3: I just went right to the you know, Donnie was
Speaker 3: nice enough to you know, not nice, kinding and loving
Speaker 3: enough to host a couple of listening parties and so
Speaker 3: we I talked about it like right off the bat
Speaker 3: with like blockheads and bandmates, and and that was that
Speaker 3: was nice to do. You know what I mean, it
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, and I think it's I don't think
Speaker 3: it lost its edge. Sometimes in my mind, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to write this song and not tell anybody
Speaker 3: what it's about. You to have it's just say just Paul,
Speaker 3: you know, like hanging over everybody, like right, they're.
Speaker 5: All gonna know now, right, And meanwhile everyone is oblivious
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, it was just me. It was
Speaker 5: just me, okay.
Speaker 3: Exactly so but it was cool and like, you know,
Speaker 3: as far as like, you know, the album, the latest
Speaker 3: New Kids album, Still Kids, was a year before that
Speaker 3: came out in what twenty oh twenty four, like last year,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't. I wanted to work on my own album,
Speaker 3: my own stuff, and so you know, the other guys
Speaker 3: in Donnie in particular, were very patient, and you know,
Speaker 3: I ended up you know, jumping in and with my
Speaker 3: my writing partner Sean Thomas, who's amazing, and we wrote
Speaker 3: like half the New Kids album together, you know, and
Speaker 3: so it was like, you know, the universe had other plants,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't want to do that, but because I
Speaker 3: did that album, Sean and I were in such good
Speaker 3: shape as far as like making music that it was
Speaker 3: the perfect like jump off to make infant Is my
Speaker 3: own album. So it's like again, you know, can two
Speaker 3: things be true at the same time, Like can I
Speaker 3: you know, can I do both? And I think I
Speaker 3: was able to do that. And it's fun too. You know.
Speaker 3: One of my I guess desires or you know, intentions
Speaker 3: is to like kind of keep supporting this album Freedom.
Speaker 3: You know, lots of times we're like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: support this forever and then three months later you're like,
Speaker 3: what's next, you know, and this is you know, I
Speaker 3: hope to do it like in my own way because
Speaker 3: I I don't know. It's like especially today with like
Speaker 3: TikTok stuff and like right it comes back. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, CDs that you know came out ten twelve
Speaker 3: years ago are now having like this amazing the life
Speaker 3: because they got a break and like, you know this
Speaker 3: it's really you know, not to get into the music thing,
Speaker 3: but I.
Speaker 5: Mean Kate Bush and her song with Stranger Things was
Speaker 5: like no way, I thought about that song for twenty years,
Speaker 5: thirty years time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like and and obviously that's like the home run.
Speaker 3: But like there's a lot of bands that like even
Speaker 3: we wouldn't hear about. It's like there's degrees of virality,
Speaker 3: of virality, virality, Did I say that, right? A viral virality?
Speaker 3: What was I gonna say?
Speaker 4: No that we're talking about freedom. You're out in.
Speaker 3: Music, I mean music when you're in it, and like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's fine, Like people are very opinionated with music,
Speaker 3: like you know what, you know, those who do it
Speaker 3: for a living and those who don't.
Speaker 5: And like the idea, everyone is very opinionated these days
Speaker 5: of you know what they say, but it's gonna be.
Speaker 3: Fresh, it's gonna be different, it's gonna be this and that,
Speaker 3: and it's like and then a song from twelve years
Speaker 3: ago is suddenly massive. It's like the public doesn't think,
Speaker 3: oh man, that freaking drum sound, that freaking snare. Man,
Speaker 3: the way they tweaked that snare. It's like, no, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's fine to do that. But then that brings.
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Speaker 3: And we'll be back.
Speaker 4: And bull sak Okay, now ball sack.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's why there's a coffee that I like.
Speaker 5: That is that's Canadian and I'm a child.
Speaker 6: Uh so it's called b A l z a Q
Speaker 6: like uh like the writer right, yeah, bull.
Speaker 5: But I took a picture of it and and was
Speaker 5: like ha ha, And a Canadian fan brought it to
Speaker 5: us at a at a call that we were at recently.
Speaker 5: And so Andrea, now that was why she chose that word.
Speaker 5: We are not in fact saying ball sack. It's it's
Speaker 5: the French version, which is bal Yeah, it's yeah, so
Speaker 5: everything sounds better with a French accent relative, Yes see,
Speaker 5: it just sounds better.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 5: Well, I know Andrea is really excited for your freedom tour.
Speaker 5: She like this has been a very big topic of conversation.
Speaker 3: And you're catching phase to right.
Speaker 2: I didn't see phase one. I know that terrible joke.
Speaker 4: Catch phase one? What happened? Were you off the planet?
Speaker 3: Where did you you? You missed a couple didn't you
Speaker 3: miss a You missed like a tour.
Speaker 1: During I know, and I missed your Carnegie, your fiftieth
Speaker 1: at Carnegie. And that was exactly why it's it's my
Speaker 1: it's my my problem child at home. So yes, that's
Speaker 1: that's for reasons we'll just say yeah, okay, yeah, So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't go to phase one, but I
Speaker 1: heard all about it.
Speaker 2: I had lots of friends that went, Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 3: I production wise, I kind of wanted to. You know,
Speaker 3: what happened was I basically staged an arena tour to
Speaker 3: try to fit in a club. And that was so
Speaker 3: personally as far as you know, trying to put something
Speaker 3: together and you go, I've been in this business way
Speaker 3: too long to like keep learning lessons. But but that
Speaker 3: being said, here we are now. Yeah, that that being said,
Speaker 3: I was happy with, Like, you know, it wasn't sometimes
Speaker 3: you can make a tour and you can just show
Speaker 3: up with you know, a guy and a guitar and like,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever lights is there or whatever sound, And
Speaker 3: at that time, I didn't do that, and I'm not
Speaker 3: going to do it the next time too. So it
Speaker 3: was fun to like go the extra mile and and
Speaker 3: do what I had to do for the for the
Speaker 3: vision that I had. So there'll be a couple of
Speaker 3: tweeks for phase two, but I kind of want to
Speaker 3: basically do the same show, Okay.
Speaker 4: Awesome, And it's a house of blues.
Speaker 5: Correct in the house, that's where the only house of
Speaker 5: blues really in so other I mean there's the original.
Speaker 4: One's gone some set.
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's I mean I think there's one in
Speaker 3: San Diego.
Speaker 5: Though, yeah, San Diego there is not the La area.
Speaker 5: It's no longer differentiation. But Setember twenty ninth, Anaheim House
Speaker 5: of Blues than.
Speaker 4: You is it already sold outs? Probably already sold out?
Speaker 3: It actually is sold out?
Speaker 4: Yea, Andrea.
Speaker 5: Andrea actually bought eighty seven percent of those tickets. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just gonna be and're gonna be audience with cardboard
Speaker 5: cutouts of her like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: That's like Charlie Sheen, like buying the whole left field
Speaker 3: just to catch a foul ball or a home run.
Speaker 4: Right right, right right, and he's still missed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he'll look at me right, yes, yeah?
Speaker 1: And where else? Tell us the other tour dates and
Speaker 1: stops what not dates? But where else are you going?
Speaker 2: We do?
Speaker 3: Uh, I'm just doing seven and like that. The the
Speaker 3: recovery there, so to speak, is that, Oh, if it's
Speaker 3: not going to be thirteen, then I'm not going to
Speaker 3: do it thirteen dates, but I did seven. So I'm
Speaker 3: doing Anaheim, Sacramento over to Salt Lake City. We don't
Speaker 3: have a venue.
Speaker 4: Area, stay tune.
Speaker 3: I know we're so close. I don't know what I
Speaker 3: did to the Mormons, but apparently.
Speaker 4: Like you can't. Are you trying to do a show
Speaker 4: on a Sunday or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a Saturday actually, I think anyways, So
Speaker 3: but whether it's a barbecue or a backyard.
Speaker 4: Park, right, you'll be at the Mormon Tabernacle.
Speaker 3: You've got to, you know, absolutely absolutely it's happening. So
Speaker 3: where Anaheim, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Denver, Lincoln, Nebraska, Minneapolis,
Speaker 3: and Milwaukee. So everything's sold out but except for except
Speaker 3: for Lincoln.
Speaker 6: Okay, what's that date again?
Speaker 4: I think I can make no, right, right? How many
Speaker 4: tickets do you need purchased?
Speaker 3: There's some seats left, which is a lovely thing.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanking for granted, and because you've just never known
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on in people's lives. But uh yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm I'm glad I'm keeping the fires burning and
Speaker 3: you know, supporting the album.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, congratulations on it, because you know, I've heard
Speaker 5: nothing but good things about it, and I know it's
Speaker 5: always really fun to get to do more creative projects.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I want to show you what were you
Speaker 3: going to say?
Speaker 4: What were you say?
Speaker 3: This is a great this is a great knickknack.
Speaker 4: Actually, I have to mine.
Speaker 5: I think I know what you're going to show and
Speaker 5: I think I have miney?
Speaker 3: No, no, why not?
Speaker 2: Why am I not?
Speaker 3: Definitely?
Speaker 4: Oh I don't have that. No, I definitely don't have that. Okay.
Speaker 5: I thought I thought it was going to be the
Speaker 5: juke box with your face on the side of it,
Speaker 5: because I have that with a lunch box with his
Speaker 5: face on the side of it.
Speaker 4: I'll show you, Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Yea, Well it's it's it's already behind so this is.
Speaker 3: But that's the album, right and they's behind Andre now.
Speaker 2: But giving a Lincoln Lincoln Penny.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what people say. Okay, that's that's what people say.
Speaker 3: But my Boston guy, Irish Boston Irish Catholic Kennedy is JFK. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so this is it was based on the.
Speaker 5: Fil Well, you know JFK and Abraham Lincoln. There's a
Speaker 5: lot of weird connections there, and your album is just
Speaker 5: another one of them. I'm just saying, it's have you
Speaker 5: ever have you never heard of all of the weird?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: My friend, So there's a tangent. Okay, this is a
Speaker 4: you know you you finished?
Speaker 2: Did you get that?
Speaker 3: Girls? They're gonna kill me because I'm not good with names.
Speaker 3: The sisters, you know, Andrea, you know this is Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yes, I can.
Speaker 3: You're gonna kill so bad. But that's what they did.
Speaker 3: Is that hilarious?
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 4: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 5: It's so the there are lots of weird facts about
Speaker 5: Kennedy and Lincoln that are strangely interchangeable, as like something
Speaker 5: like Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy, Kennedy had a
Speaker 5: secretary named Lincoln.
Speaker 4: There's like the.
Speaker 5: Inverse of dates they were both, like all of these
Speaker 5: weird facts that sort of tie them together. So the
Speaker 5: fact that you mentioned both of them on your album cover,
Speaker 5: it's just I think it's a strange little piece of
Speaker 5: the you're adding to the conspiracy theory, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Ye were they was was knowing. I haven't heard anybody
Speaker 3: say JFK was gay though.
Speaker 5: Uh No, but I think we've definitely heard the opposite
Speaker 5: that he was definitely not gay. Okay, so opposite thing, yeah,
Speaker 5: oh without yeah, well, I mean as far as like
Speaker 5: there you get some people say I think all kinds
Speaker 5: of things.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's a crazy
Speaker 3: world out there. But I heard we get it.
Speaker 5: No, I've I've heard a lot of that stuff, interesting
Speaker 5: things about Lincoln, but not to.
Speaker 4: Balls ac Okay, I used it on myself.
Speaker 5: It on myself, yep, and you Joe, we're yep, we're
Speaker 5: balls act for.
Speaker 1: When it sounded yeah, I don't know how to I
Speaker 1: don't how to segue.
Speaker 4: Finally kicked in, so I'm back to being me.
Speaker 3: I think you can change ball. Is it always balls
Speaker 3: or just there?
Speaker 4: Never before? It was only installed today?
Speaker 2: Truck nuts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, we try to. Yeah, look,
Speaker 5: I'm all about it, you know, truck nuts.
Speaker 2: We'veally changed our safe work.
Speaker 3: That is that a fan or a microphone or like
Speaker 3: like a like a hair dryer, like an This.
Speaker 5: Is a It is a fan, and it weirdly rattles
Speaker 5: like slightly off. Gilter doesn't bother me, but my husband
Speaker 5: cannot stand it, and so it has been relegated to
Speaker 5: the outside office fan because it just I ignore it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I thought you were talking about that fan,
Speaker 5: which also says something on it that I won't say
Speaker 5: on this show.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, yeah, have it behind you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, no one notices until I pointed out so
Speaker 5: show that.
Speaker 3: It's so off limits in the US, but in you know.
Speaker 5: And not not in certain communities, not in certain communities.
Speaker 3: Right, that's true, that's coming.
Speaker 5: True, which is yeah, yeah anyway, yeah, not to be
Speaker 5: weird and.
Speaker 4: Vague, guys. So back to the show, talking about Zach,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know, help me, well, your
Speaker 4: headache meds just to.
Speaker 5: Be the one that went off and needed wrangling, I,
Speaker 5: in fact, am the one that doesn't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Well, I've got I've gone through. I think I've hit
Speaker 1: all my main questions.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: Joe girl, I'm like, how if I ask you anything? Anyways?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Did I hand? I mean you you were nice
Speaker 3: enough to ask about the album and like the Easter eggs?
Speaker 3: Was there any anything specific that you were sort of like,
Speaker 3: oh but weight? But really yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I appreciate the nod to the steps, the
Speaker 1: step by step steps in freedom, although it did cause
Speaker 1: some panic that you're leaving the band, like the rumors
Speaker 1: were just going crazy.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you've put that to rest.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out what is anybody out
Speaker 1: there what that is about? Which I thought was about sobriety.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but now aliens.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's about AI.
Speaker 4: I don't know what aliens. It's definite aliens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it was. It was sort
Speaker 3: of like it was my version I I'm mad as
Speaker 3: hell and I'm.
Speaker 4: Not gonna take it very right.
Speaker 3: It's that it's sort of like shouting me, like what
Speaker 3: that am?
Speaker 2: I am?
Speaker 3: I the crazy one, Like that's what that is, you know.
Speaker 3: And then also part of that is specifically I've said
Speaker 3: it before, you know, I I love La. I'm Boston guy.
Speaker 3: I love La. No city is perfect, but I'm it
Speaker 3: feels like home. It's you got everything here, the good,
Speaker 3: the bad, the beautiful, the ugly. So I don't want
Speaker 3: to talk about a Hollywood thing.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 3: There is a little bit of of like, really, that's
Speaker 3: that's what's killing it right now, you know you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, the the you know, the apparatus, the
Speaker 3: you know, Apple TV is so it's like I'm happy
Speaker 3: for every body on Apple TV shows. But like talk
Speaker 3: about everybody getting behind No one's gonna say, you know not,
Speaker 3: you know, vote for the Apple TV show or get
Speaker 3: behind it. And and it sounds like you're but there's
Speaker 3: a there's an intersection that I drive by all the time,
Speaker 3: and Apple has two billboard boards on each side of
Speaker 3: the street, you know, and it's and it's connected. It's
Speaker 3: always the same show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So along with the subliminal waves that they shoot into
Speaker 5: our heads, I'm just kidding you.
Speaker 3: Guys, they don't. They don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't need those. We have them in our hands.
Speaker 5: It doesn't even need to be subliminal if we just
Speaker 5: carry around a little addictive devices.
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of like, I mean, the second
Speaker 3: what is the second verse? I see I see signs
Speaker 3: up when I'm driving saying I need you, but I
Speaker 3: don't need you. You're up there flying but I ain't.
Speaker 3: And you know that kind of thing. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a little bit on the nose, but like that's kind
Speaker 3: of like where where it was coming from. And then
Speaker 3: like you know, the AI news of everything and like learning,
Speaker 3: you know, AI is learning us, and then we don't
Speaker 3: know what's real and it's not real. I mean there's
Speaker 3: a little bit of everything that as I was writing
Speaker 3: this album, like a lot of it was like it
Speaker 3: felt freestyle, free form, which was cool because I think
Speaker 3: I had enough going on in my life that like
Speaker 3: it didn't have to be so explicit, which was kind
Speaker 3: of fun to do. And normally I'm a little bit
Speaker 3: more on the nose lyrically.
Speaker 1: But yeah, would little Joe recognize himself in this album
Speaker 1: in the fifty two year old Joe A, Yeah, very
Speaker 1: much so, I think so.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's that balance of I think
Speaker 3: when you're making music or making anything, we have to like,
Speaker 3: you know, be childlike. We have to play, we have
Speaker 3: to be vulnerable, we have to like pretend like everything's okay,
Speaker 3: like everything's safe. We can we can share what it's
Speaker 3: in our own little you know, sandbox, and we get
Speaker 3: to you know, express ourselves because if you're holding back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in my own way, it definitely checked the box like
Speaker 3: to open up and not be afraid and like let
Speaker 3: you know. And I would often say like how to
Speaker 3: how to like happily married people, like write songs about
Speaker 3: like affairs or other women or other men. How do
Speaker 3: they do that? And like, but they do it all
Speaker 3: the time, you know what I mean? So, like there
Speaker 3: was that kind of energy that I was like embraced
Speaker 3: and like decided to be okay with. And I think
Speaker 3: that's important. Like, that's that's what we're here to do.
Speaker 5: Look, if Beyonce can write lemonade, you know what I mean? Right,
Speaker 5: anybody can write about anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Hey, they can do it. I
Speaker 3: can too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly before it is, before we wrap up.
Speaker 1: As much as I don't, I know, as much as
Speaker 1: I don't want to wrap this up, I do want
Speaker 1: to tell you the favor my favorite thing I've seen
Speaker 1: of yours, like of all the things you've done.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, wait.
Speaker 1: Last thirty eight thirty eight years of following your Wait, I.
Speaker 3: Want to I want to guess. I won't guess.
Speaker 2: Are you meditating? What are we? What are we doing?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of what it what it might be, I.
Speaker 2: Think I obviously tell me what do you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I want to know what you think it is?
Speaker 3: It is a is it a theater piece thing? Yeah? Uh?
Speaker 2: The wanderer No, but that was great.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Mike Cortella is just yeah, he's such a joy. No,
Speaker 1: it's the kid. Oh, it's just like your if you're autobile,
Speaker 1: if you wrote an autobiography and performed it on stage
Speaker 1: like this is there's nothing more perfect than you performing
Speaker 1: your life story on stage.
Speaker 2: And it was. It had so much heart.
Speaker 1: I cried multiple times and I just left feeling like
Speaker 1: I knew you better than ever.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bring that back sometimes please.
Speaker 3: You know. That's so for Outside the Joe, you know,
Speaker 3: Blockhead World. I did work on a one man show.
Speaker 3: It's called the I'm not I'm not getting the clean.
Speaker 3: That was a burp. It was. It was, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's so funny. I did it about ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Learned so much learned as a writer, as a creator,
Speaker 3: putting things together, cutting things. We got it down to
Speaker 3: an hour and a half, you know, no intermission. We
Speaker 3: did it in Denver for three weeks, like a legit
Speaker 3: kind of out of town thing. It's something else come up,
Speaker 3: and you know, I did a TV show YadA, YadA,
Speaker 3: you know, to stay with those things. There was I'm
Speaker 3: not saying there's a I think there's another act to that. Andrea.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, there's a base due to the kid,
Speaker 3: and it's different, you know what I mean. I think
Speaker 3: I think that was you know, I think that was
Speaker 3: important for a lot of reasons. And I love that
Speaker 3: in that moment at that time, like it did touch
Speaker 3: a lot of people. And that's what art is, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, you do you do what you
Speaker 3: do in that moment. You know, there was a lot
Speaker 3: you know, when I was working on that, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: well I never went to rehab, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I never I never was strung out. I never where
Speaker 3: were the stakes. You know. That's the funny thing, Like
Speaker 3: to get inside baseball in the box. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: you were never like in the gutter, Joe. So it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know that kind of thing. But I think we
Speaker 3: did a really good job, you know, crafting something that
Speaker 3: was you know, worth sitting in a theater for ninety minutes.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you liked it, and thanks for thanks
Speaker 3: for the shout out.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I think.
Speaker 1: We're at the age where we are examining, looking back
Speaker 1: and examining our life as a whole and making sense
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: There's a line you say in the show about how
Speaker 1: you're doing. Dad always told you to make something of yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so like be somebody.
Speaker 1: Be somebody, right, and how you found that success not
Speaker 1: necessarily professionally with your singing career or your acting career,
Speaker 1: but just personally with your kids, with your son Reese,
Speaker 1: and yeah, just.
Speaker 2: There's a lot.
Speaker 1: There's a lot in there, and just say, yeah, your
Speaker 1: your version of success as a forty something whenever you
Speaker 1: wrote it, however you already wrote it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I was very touched by.
Speaker 1: The whole thing and it made me examine my own
Speaker 1: life and say, well, you know, where is the where
Speaker 1: have I been successful in my life professionally personally?
Speaker 2: It was beautiful?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look forward to phase two of the kid.
Speaker 3: Ay Ay, there's a lot of work. It's like just
Speaker 3: thinking about it, like putting that together and like how
Speaker 3: do you tell your story? Can you imagine? You know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like how because you have to make
Speaker 3: these decisions like this is exactly how I would say it,
Speaker 3: but like it serves the piece you know on that.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you that this has been so fun. Hey,
Speaker 2: we have to wrap up. We've kept your home?
Speaker 3: Is that a Rubic's Cube handbag.
Speaker 4: It is, yes, it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 5: You can make you can weirdly make a bag on
Speaker 5: it just about anything.
Speaker 3: All your crap is too far away that like we
Speaker 3: can't really comment.
Speaker 5: Which is probably well for someone that's probably a good thing,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, some of that you probably people be like, wow, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I've got I've got full house stuff.
Speaker 5: I've got lego stuff, I've got fuller house stuff.
Speaker 4: I got a lot of books.
Speaker 5: I got a street art that my friends have done, stuff.
Speaker 3: That I've bought.
Speaker 4: I have a.
Speaker 5: Picture of me with Jason Bateman from my first TV appearance.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know, he thinks. And there's some other
Speaker 5: things up there that I won't mention. Uh, you can't
Speaker 5: see him, so it's fine.
Speaker 4: Well, this has been such a great interview, Joe. I
Speaker 4: thank you so much, so much. It's been a blast,
Speaker 4: it really really has.
Speaker 5: And can you please tell Andrea that you guys are
Speaker 5: friends and it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're okay. I just needed I needed that reassurance.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, she can text you, right, like if
Speaker 6: she like, she could text you, right.
Speaker 4: I just want I'm just asking what I'm just asking
Speaker 4: a question.
Speaker 3: What did you text me recently about about tickets?
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, like this, it's very stressful having
Speaker 1: your phone number. First of all, I don't I never
Speaker 1: want to take advantage you know, I never want to
Speaker 1: like take for granted, I've never drunk dialed you.
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 1: And so but I'm just like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be like, I don't want to be the jerk that
Speaker 1: just I'm happy to buy tickets to any of your shows,
Speaker 1: and I do, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I feel like, should I ask you for tickets you
Speaker 2: I'm coming, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's you should definitely ask.
Speaker 2: Okay, And so I do. Jody's like, just text him.
Speaker 2: If you're close enough to have his phone number, you're
Speaker 2: close enough to text him for tickets.
Speaker 3: And so I'm stress I kind of invited myself on
Speaker 3: on this shows.
Speaker 5: Perfect and then he wants to be honest, it's all great,
Speaker 5: it's all gravy, and it has been no, it has.
Speaker 4: Really been a joy you.
Speaker 5: You are such a pleasure to talk to, Joe, and
Speaker 5: you're so much fun and I love a fellow tangent runner.
Speaker 4: So it's uh no.
Speaker 5: But seriously, You're just so talented and you have worked
Speaker 5: so hard. You know, as somebody else who's been in
Speaker 5: this business a long time, it's not easy to do,
Speaker 5: and you've been incredibly incredibly successful in so many ways.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, it's really.
Speaker 5: Awesome to see and you're you are an awesome human,
Speaker 5: So you really are.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put in.
Speaker 4: And now we have to ben Now we have no
Speaker 4: money for the show.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 5: It's okay, I think if it's under ten seconds seven seven,
Speaker 5: but it's.
Speaker 3: Fine, all right.
Speaker 2: I think we're good.
Speaker 4: I think we're good. Do you have anything else to say?
Speaker 1: Yes, just as a lifelong joe girl like this obviously
Speaker 1: getting to know you as a friend has been beautiful,
Speaker 1: but like the best thing is just knowing what a
Speaker 1: wonderful human you are, Like you have such a great heart,
Speaker 1: and you're so smart, and I could just talk about
Speaker 1: that forever. But yeah, no, just of all the things
Speaker 1: I thought if I ever meet Joey McIntyre, you've turned
Speaker 1: out even better than I imagine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're just a great person. So thanks for
Speaker 2: being you.
Speaker 6: Right back at your kid, Yay, all right, get out
Speaker 6: of here.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. We appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 4: We'll talk to you soon. Love you. Okay, Are you okay?
Speaker 3: Five?
Speaker 4: Are you okayved?
Speaker 1: My heart?
Speaker 4: You killed it? You were normal? Could you feel like questions?
Speaker 5: Look, you're the one that brought up pooping within the
Speaker 5: first five minutes.
Speaker 4: Okay, I like I just show you.
Speaker 2: That's how I knew we were friends. If you can
Speaker 2: talk about.
Speaker 5: And you're worried about texting him, Yes, girl, I don't
Speaker 5: understand anyway. Now, that was a pleasure, and he is
Speaker 5: He's so much fun to be around, Like, yeah, he
Speaker 5: really really is.
Speaker 2: I'm so so happy he got to be on the show.
Speaker 2: So great you Yeah, dream come true? Man?
Speaker 4: Are you good? Are you just gonna go Yeah?
Speaker 1: For the rest of the day, I'm just gonna be
Speaker 1: head in the clouds and I'm gonna be replaying everything.
Speaker 4: In my mind.
Speaker 2: And Oh I shouldn't have said that. Oh I should
Speaker 2: have said that differently.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think there's anything that you shouldn't have said.
Speaker 5: I think everything that you did say, all of it
Speaker 5: was absolutely wonderfully, amazingly appropriate because it was funny and
Speaker 5: it If anything.
Speaker 4: I hope it like showed you that you can just
Speaker 4: have a conversation with him. He's actually a friend. He
Speaker 4: likes you. You're kind of a cool human too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeh yeahs for.
Speaker 2: Me and my wingman and talking me hold my hand
Speaker 2: through this.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, and you study great study.
Speaker 5: I told Mescal this morning, I was like, I am
Speaker 5: so excited for the podcast today. I said, I cannot
Speaker 5: wait to be AB's wing woman for this.
Speaker 4: So you did great.
Speaker 1: Your tangent, you had one tangent, it was perfectly appropriate.
Speaker 2: And you got right back on track.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of I see it can be done.
Speaker 2: It can be done.
Speaker 5: It's not ever going to be done again. So audience,
Speaker 5: just put those hopes away. Uh but yeah, but this
Speaker 5: will keep the safe word just in case, just in case.
Speaker 5: I think it's a good that's a good idea. That's
Speaker 5: a good idea. Well, thank you listeners for joining us.
Speaker 4: For such a very special episode.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: We appreciate our fan of Rito's we love you and
Speaker 5: and blockheads out there, of which there are probably large
Speaker 5: a large number of crossovers, and we hope you've enjoyed
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Speaker 5: So in the meantime, remember the world is small, but the.
Speaker 4: House is full of Joe girls, just full, and it's
Speaker 4: all you.
Speaker 1: It's used and just it's just you know, I represent
Speaker 1: one of many, many, many men, many Joe girls, and
Speaker 1: there's a little deed out.
Speaker 5: There, indeed, but all I'm just I'm picturing the full house,
Speaker 5: house just stuffed with with with you and your T
Speaker 5: shirt just popping out of every yep o life.
Speaker 2: That's their wear today.
Speaker 4: Love it.