1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your seven home of the 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive. 3 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. And Matt. I 4 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: don't know if you've if you've seen much about this 5 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: or read much about this. I know you're not huge 6 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Major League baseball, but the league is cracking down on 7 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: pictures using foreign substances to uh, to help their grip 8 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: on the baseball. Spitballs are a little different, you're trying 9 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: to I guess it's all Yeah, it's all about up 10 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: where if you watched the Major League. Yeah, I've got 11 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: seven different things on my body right now. Whatever it was, 12 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: however many substances, I'm sure there's an art to hiding it. 13 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Um so scuffing, Yeah that now, I know what that does. 14 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: That helps you throw your curveball a little bit. Yeah, 15 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: it just sticks a little long hand, right. So what 16 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: they're cracking down on now is I guess a lot 17 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: of pictures were using this this stuff its tiger. I 18 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: can't remember what it was. Something bomb or there's some 19 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: kind of bomb that they use, um, sunscreen, things of 20 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: that nature to help them get a better rip on 21 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: the baseball and question. I didn't think of this, but 22 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: if it's a hot August day in the sun's beaten 23 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: down on you, or picture is not allowed to put 24 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: parents arms or head or neck, or I'd have an 25 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: issue because man, when I go out, I go out 26 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: for training camp practices, I'm pretty well lathered up with Yeah, 27 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: you can throw a good spider. Uh. So last night 28 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: they're they're allowing the umpires now to go out and 29 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: check the pictures more often. It's happening with more regularity. 30 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: What's happening with a lot of regularity depending because the 31 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: last night, the Phillies are playing the Washington Nationals. In 32 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: the first four innings, the Phillies asked the umpires to 33 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: check Max schers or three times in the first four 34 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: innings to see if he had any substances on him. 35 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: They never found anything. Uh, this kind of like goes back. 36 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like a fake time out or 37 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: a head game or yeah, you're just you're you're slowing 38 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: the momentum that yeah, you're you're kind of start, you're 39 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: stopping the games. You know, pictures mowing, you mowing three 40 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: here and we got to change momentum here. Send them 41 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: out to check him again. Yeah, I've heard the name 42 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: Max Suers or so he's probably good because I know 43 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: very few pictures. So is it just any edge I 44 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: can to slow his rhythm or getting his head or yeah, 45 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: it seems like that should be illegal from the opposing 46 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: batch the NFL made stick him. Yeah, if you remember 47 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: back in the back in the late seventies or early eighties, 48 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, the everybody had stick him to the point 49 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: where I remember Lester Hayes looked like he just stepped 50 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: out of a glue factory. Yeah. I mean it was 51 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: thick all over their body and their arms and all 52 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: over everybody else. They allow the receivers and running backs 53 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: and those guys to wear those gloves that are super tacky. 54 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: But they're not gross. They're not. It's not about the 55 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: grossest factor. It's about giving you an unnatural ability to 56 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of like you see, all these guys make these 57 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: one handed catches. Trust me, the gloves are awesome. Yeah, 58 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: they I mean, you know, you could take somebody who's 59 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: never caught a football before, and all of a sudden 60 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: they're catching the ball in one hand because the ball 61 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: sticks in that glove hand. Yes, I think receivers practice 62 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: it more than back in the day. But it's way 63 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: easier with the gloves than without time. They're super tacky. 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: They're not just a regular you know, like a golf 65 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: glove or something. It's just a leather glove that you 66 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: put on your No, they're taxing. You've heard Ben Roethlisberger 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: talk about how it helps him spin the football in weather, 68 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: you know sometimes, you know, if it's cold out, I'll 69 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: wear the glove because it helps her rainy or whatever. 70 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I'll wear the glove because it helps spin. It is 71 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: that cheating. So I don't have a problem with the glove, 72 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: first of all, because I think it adds to the game. 73 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: If if I get the Odell famous catch because of it, 74 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: can make the same pictures being able to get the 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: higher spin rates. And yeah, the people want to see 76 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: hits at home runs. I'm just thinking what's appealing to 77 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: the fan base is more catches, more home runs. Well, 78 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: then by that same token, then shouldn't you then let 79 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the batters juice it up? You just wait bats or 80 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: whatever too. Yeah, put the put you put all the 81 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: super balls in your bath that you want. Cheating is cheating, 82 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: and I mean you're using something like golf has set 83 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: rules about what equipment and something gloves count is cheating 84 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: or should they They're not kind of this cheating, but 85 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: I think they reached the point where they've made they've 86 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: made the game too easy. No, no, it's not easy. 87 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: You still catch the football, you still have to take 88 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: the hit. And I think it's such an unnatural right. 89 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: It's a massive advantage more than people realize. Stick them 90 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: to me was because I don't want it all over me, 91 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: because you choose to put it all over you too, 92 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: And maybe it slows down about like for example, I 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: I've heard Wolf talk about this before, and I don't 94 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: know if he necessarily did it, but the offensive linemen 95 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: back in the day would spray their uniforms down with 96 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: pam make it make it more slickly. Yeah, Like, even 97 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: along those lines, do you think it's wrong or illegal 98 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: or should be more monitored to really get your jersey 99 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: super tight so you can't be held or things like that. 100 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 1: I don't think that's cheating. You're playing within the rules 101 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: of the game because your jersey can be whatever you 102 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: want it to be. It's not anymore you know, if 103 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: I bring something from Giant Eagle and somehow a pantry, 104 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: or pick a stick of butter and rub it all 105 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: over myself. The ball bearing factory or Quaker steak, you know, 106 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: a picture of bringing something from outside the stadium. Outside 107 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: the norm to use is wrong. Gloves to me aren't okay, 108 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: they're big, they're big. What about We haven't talked a 109 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: lot about this recently, but what a baseball things messed up? Though? 110 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: How can they allow someone to go out there over 111 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: and over and over? Yeah, that's that's crazy. There's no 112 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: time limit. We can imagine You imagine if football did 113 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: that and every third player checking the go check that 114 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: left tackle, I think he's got something on his hand, 115 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: or yeah, we're gonna stop it again. But I think 116 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: that football is a little under inflated. Can we get 117 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: the tester out here too? They did at the Brady 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: five times a game? Yeah that ball, No, that's there's something. 119 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: I picked the ball up and that's just too squishy. 120 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: Can we get this measure the right right? It just slows? Actually, 121 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: and then thought about this angle. But I've been watching 122 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: a lot of NBA playoffs and the end of last 123 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: night's game was awesome. They won on this alley, just 124 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: dunk and but they stopped play a lot at the 125 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: end of the game, and they do it way more 126 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: in the last two minutes. To see two guys going 127 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: for a ball on the sidelines. It out and it's 128 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: more important late in the game, but they don't do 129 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: it early in the game. But at the end the 130 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: basketball games, there's so many stops anyways, Like the announcers, 131 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: I think it's Van Gundhi was complaining a little bit too, 132 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: like right, like, I think that's wrong too. I mean, 133 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: let your officials make the call and then still get 134 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: it right more often than not. Don't stop it every time. 135 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: That's to me, that's sort of similar. You have a 136 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: toe on a three point line when you call to 137 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: the three pointer, and you know they'll actually go back 138 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: in the NBA and look at a play after the 139 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: fact that that basket three baskets to go that was 140 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: that was a three pointer. Um, you can correct those things. 141 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, I kind of like how hockey does it, 142 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: and that like cockey does that as well, Like if 143 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: they're not sure if it's a goal or not, they 144 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: just keep playing until there's a stoppage to play. Then 145 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: we'll go back and look. So it doesn't kind of 146 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: like when the team for quarterback fumbles they blow it dead, 147 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: but they shouldn't have and what could have scooped and 148 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: scored it, but sorry, the play was dead. You know, 149 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: like let things go, but stoppagesn't play late in games 150 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: was a problem last night for me. That's you know, 151 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: I think, you know, all the leagues want to work 152 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: that balance of what get it right? Yeah, what's best 153 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: and what what you don't want to slow it down? Play? Um, 154 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: I think three times to go out and check the pictures, 155 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: except so I think it's insane. One of my favorite 156 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: things that I always remember was when the umpires. Do 157 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: you remember when Phil Niekro was getting checked. They come 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: out and they're they're having a little conference and he 159 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: reaches he's pulling out his pockets and in his back 160 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: pocket he had an emery board. Yeah. Yeah, he had 161 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: a nail phone. He pulls it out and just kind 162 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: of tosses it aside. The umpires kind of like stopped 163 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: and he sees him throw it, and I think I 164 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: think it was Robin Venture or somebody put his foot 165 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: over top of it to try to hide it, and 166 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: they found it. Of course it's on camera. Yeah, it's 167 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: I camember. Everybody saw it. It was no. I'm trying 168 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: to file my fingernails so I can keep it good 169 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: for the you know, for the You can't take it 170 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: on the field with you, which he might. I mean, 171 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure fingernails are important for a knuckleballer, absolutely, but 172 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: it can't be on the MOUNTA can't be on the 173 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: mountain with you. So what would it be in like 174 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: football today, what would you look at that that could 175 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: give an advantage to me? I go back to those gloves. 176 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they give such a huge advantage, but everybody's 177 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: it's across the board. They all, yeah, they test them. 178 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: They have to be a certain this certain brand and that, 179 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, all that stuff, so it's it's across the board. 180 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: So it's not cheating. I mean, I don't know a 181 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: ton about hockey, but I guess things have really changed 182 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: in these skate guards that they have now too. The 183 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: players are a lot more apt to block shots because 184 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: it hasn't hurt as much. And I guess that's good. 185 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: I mean, it's player safety. But then you get a 186 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: lot more shots that don't reach the net and it's 187 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: not as much fun to watch, you know, it's like 188 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: the goalie pads. Imagine like what if if NFL offensive 189 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: A linemen were allowed to just have these massive pads 190 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: that hey, we just gotta stand shoulder to shoulder here. 191 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: Nobody's getting through it, and it's just a wall, you know, 192 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: like the biggest LEAMU fan you'll ever find. But you're 193 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: back and watch like Mario's highlights or gret Skis or 194 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: the goalies don't take up any space. And then that 195 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: compared to now, there's like so much to shoot at 196 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: compared to now, you know, and it's night and day. 197 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more NFL examples, but I bet it 198 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: seems like the NFL regulates these things a little bit 199 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: better than other leagues too, Like because there we had 200 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: the uniform police to go out and check everybody before 201 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: the game and guys every week, right, is there a pad? 202 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Some guys wear thigh boards, some don't. Some guys have 203 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: neck rolls like and they don't. You know, whatever you prefer, 204 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: but does any of them really a huge advantage. I mean, 205 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: everybody has the ability to wear any size cleat they want. 206 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: You know, is is there a cleat length that should 207 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: be banned? Not that I'm aware of. I can't think 208 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: loves are a good conversation. But everybody has access to them, 209 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: corner can wear them. You know, it's not just an 210 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: offensive thing. Yeah, I don't know a certain face. I mean, 211 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: there's so many different helmets now does that matter? The 212 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: A B helmet you know they tried to take off 213 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: them and that old craziness. Well that was a safety 214 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: issue though, because it's an old There was an old 215 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: helmet that wasn't you know, it wasn't approved anymore. Um, 216 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think football does a nice 217 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: job with that stuff. I'm sure there are things that 218 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: did happen that I bet if we had motorable for 219 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: somebody here that have exacted, have some things again with 220 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: for for if it's a hey spraining yourself down with 221 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: some kind of silicone or or I bet there's some 222 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: things like the line of scrimmage, some big guy things 223 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: because their button heads, every play boy, this guy has 224 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: the But I wonder what would happen if you asked 225 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: the officials to check him. I know, right right, I'm 226 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: sure there's been places. You know, people talk about like 227 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: taking weapons on the field, and then that's exaggeration, but 228 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: a cast that they use as a weapon, or yeah, 229 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: the head slaps now illegal because it was because it 230 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: hurts people, it's a serious issue. Or you know, people 231 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: would have something sharp on them or somehow, or a 232 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: piece of metal in their arm pad or something. I'm 233 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: like the fifties, but there's not that anymore, you know, 234 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: like you kicked a league forever, but there's always there's 235 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: also the statement and you know, um, if you're not cheating, 236 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: you're not trying. Um, I mean now people steal signals, 237 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: which isn't Yeah, I mean that's been going around since 238 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: the dawn of time. You know. The Patriots got in 239 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: trouble from just videoing a guy on the sideline at 240 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: a at a Browns game, Bengals game. I'm sorry Bengals game, 241 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: because they have to be you know it it was 242 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: one of their advanced scouts. Well no, you didn't get 243 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: that approved. But if that had same advanced scout only 244 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: watched all that took every note live, perfectly legal, perfectly, 245 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: just don't be able to rewind it and watch it. 246 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: It is the the game within the game, I know, 247 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: you know, I can remember, you know, when I was 248 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: coaching third base a lot for for for baseball teams. 249 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: I remember we're playing a tournament. One time was a 250 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: ten year old tournament, and the other team had a 251 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: coach who did nothing but watch me at third base. 252 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: I kept looking at and he's just staring at me 253 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: the whole time, trying to trying to find my figure 254 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: out my signs and stuff. And then I just started 255 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: mixing it up. Okay, that's yeah, that's what you're gonna do, 256 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, And you can tell the kids in the 257 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: fifth inning, we're switching our indicator to when I touched 258 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: my nose. I can remember another time it was again 259 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: this is a ten year old baseball when the other 260 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: coaches stood behind and he was in the edge of 261 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: their dugout area, but he stood behind the catcher too 262 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: off to an angle and which it was trying to 263 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: tell the batter where the catcher was setting up at. 264 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: And I went to him between innings. I said, that's 265 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: you can't do that. Here's why not. I said, well, 266 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: first of all, you're trusting ten year old pictures to 267 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: put the ball where you're saying it's gonna go. So 268 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: if we set up outside and all of a sudden, 269 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: your guys start you started saying, well, it's coming outside 270 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: and he dives out there or you know, goes out 271 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: to get that ball and all of a sudden it's inside. 272 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: He's gonna get hit. Secondly, it's the it's the you know, 273 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of the unspoken rules of baseball said, do that 274 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: when they get older. Somebody's taken one and you know, 275 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be wearing a baseball what Yeah, whether it 276 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: means or not, Yeah, I mean, do you find it 277 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: unethical to steal signals in baseball? Though? No, if they're 278 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: if you're saying, if your signs are simple enough that 279 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: I can pick them up my teammates on second when unethical? 280 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: But like what you don't want to I don't there 281 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: The line on that is you don't want the guys 282 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: yelling it out curveball coming. So a lot of teams 283 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: of the Orioles did with the vices or the um. 284 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, if you're on second, if you're hitting, yeah, 285 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: and the catcher puts down one finger and I glance 286 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: out to you and you're going scratching your face with 287 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: one cut your helmet or something, Yeah, I don't think 288 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: that should be illegal. It's not. No, I mean, it's 289 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: like if you if you learn a uh, if you 290 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: learn the quarterbacks cadence and he's letting your you know, 291 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: get that rhythm, Well that's on him. Or you figure 292 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: out Teddy KGB's eating the oreos. You beat them. You 293 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: bust them up all night long. Check check, check all 294 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: night long. Check. No, that I mean those It wasn't 295 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: within the game. I can remember, you know, coaching third base, 296 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: and and and pictures who would hold their gloves sideways 297 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: so you can see the grip on the baseball. If 298 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: I saw a curveball, grip, Hey, stay back on this. 299 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm not yelling a hey, curveball coming, but 300 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: you just tell the better stay back. It's like and 301 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: if it's a fastball, hey, quick hands, you know it's 302 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: h hold your cards back if you're playing, don't show 303 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: me your cards. You don't want that to happen. Right, 304 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: Another one, you know his coaching point. One of my 305 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: good friends and his his again, this was young, maybe 306 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: ten or eleven, and every time his son went to 307 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: throw a change up, he would roll the ball up 308 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: his chest to get it deeper in his hands. Well 309 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: I saw that to his he's throwing the change So again, 310 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: stay back if he's an eight year old who cares. 311 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: But when it starts to get real and you know 312 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: people are hitting the ball hard and it matters, you 313 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: gotta quit. Those happen. And then you know, after the game, 314 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, we got done playing as a playoff game. 315 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: We won, and I went to him after he said, hey, 316 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: just so you know your son was tipping his picture. 317 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: That's a good thing for you to do too. So 318 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: we we we knew it. But it's an easy correctible 319 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: thing here. You always tell you, you know, you always 320 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: tell the pictures, hey, when they start throwing breaking stuff 321 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: and things that nature, don't play with the ball in 322 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: your glove. Just when you're throwing a breaking ball, play 323 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: with it all the tall do it, even if you're 324 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: just throwing a fastball. Make it look like you're you're 325 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: getting that curveball grip because people gonna beat on you. Absolutely, 326 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: you play against someone in left or enough pitches, so 327 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: the Kik Lee's and ray lewis Is of the world 328 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: it takes. Yeah, that's sort of on the offensive coordinator. 329 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the former ones were predictable, but 330 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: I think this one will be a lot less predictable. 331 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: You know, like there's no track record on there's no 332 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: track record for one thing. You know. One of the 333 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: things that people talk about Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan is everything 334 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: looks the same for the first second or two of 335 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: the play, you know, and that stems from and then 336 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: you move off of that right right, right, I mean 337 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: that we're getting the same motion, the same you know, 338 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: splits from the line. Uh, they come off the ball 339 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: the same, and it takes me a half second longer 340 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: to recognize runner pass or whatever. And if Canada can 341 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: bring a little of that, that goes a long way. Oh, 342 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: there's no doubt. Yeah. I mean if that comes from 343 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: motion or just new ideas or unfamiliarity from the you know, 344 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators around the league and division, boy, things are 345 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: gonna be different. I think a coaching change in this 346 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: instance is going to pay off a lot for that offense. Yeah, 347 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: especially you know for a team again that doesn't typically 348 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: have a lot of turnover. A change right right, Again, 349 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: early in the season, what are teams doing to go 350 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: back and study Matt Canada? I think going back to 351 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: his college tape, well, he didn't run the same exact 352 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: things at L s U. That he ran a pit 353 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: or Maryland. There might be some similar different times, of course, 354 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, it will be a disadvantage. It will probably 355 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: take a while, but it'll be something really interesting to see. 356 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: You know how often our defense is fooled or manipulated. 357 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: I think that that that percentage is gonna go out, Yeah, 358 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: I think so. So you know that's all. That's all 359 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: parts of coaching. That's good coaching. Yeah, that's not and 360 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: figuring out you know, that's what that's what you scheme 361 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: for all week. Um beating your Yeah that's not that's 362 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: not cheating. No, that's that's part of the game. We 363 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: should play a box and one against Jordan's and it works, Okay, 364 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: great or whatever, you know what I mean. So, yeah, 365 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: that's just good coaching and preparation. But you know, you know, 366 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: the deflation of balls or spygate or you know, any 367 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: of those taping in an opponent's practice. No, I can't 368 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: do that. You can't do that never. Never. I mean 369 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: there are specs. The deflation of the ball thing didn't 370 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: bother me as much. I mean again, because it's the 371 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: ball is easier to catch up, it's softer. You probably 372 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: fumble a little less your quarterbacks is more comfortable than 373 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: he's allowed to be. I guess I don't know that 374 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: some people around here that hate the Patriots, well they 375 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: deflated balls, that's why they won. I think they still 376 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: win those games. Hell, you know what I mean, right? 377 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: You know? You know when you look at the fumble 378 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: numbers from its significant, it is significant. And you know, 379 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: does Belichick coach ball security better than the average code? 380 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: Maybe slightly, but not that much. I mean, it's not 381 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: like everyone else ignores it. Yeah, I mean if it 382 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: if it didn't give them advantage, an advantage, then why 383 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 1: would you do it? There's there's you know, if if 384 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing to be gained, then you know, it's the 385 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: same thing with the with the pitchers putting the you know, 386 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: foreign substances on the baseball. Now they're all complaining about it. 387 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: Well I can't. I can't be as accurate I'm throwing 388 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: a baseball. Well maybe now you're not, you know what 389 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean, because you've got a better grip on the baseball. 390 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: Getting helps the the spin rate, which increases your velocity, 391 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: which therefore leads to more swings and misses. Well, now 392 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: you gotta throw instead of I guess that's the same 393 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: as like an illegal hockey stick or an illegal back 394 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 1: or yeah, you like it better, but everybody likes it better. Better, 395 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: it gets extra flex or you know, golf club hits 396 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: the ball further than everyone else. Yeah, I guess. So, 397 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's you're doctoring something. It's not much different 398 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: than doctor in a baseball I guess the more I 399 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: think about it, Yeah, it's tough to doctor anything in 400 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: a football game, though, he is, and they're pretty much 401 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: on top of it. I mean, you get your you 402 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 1: get your k balls for the kickers, right, and they 403 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: did that for a reason, to make it right. You know, 404 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: they can see those guys like crazy and quarterbacks do too, 405 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean brand new balls. They try to not and 406 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: maybe even scuff up, but you know, get something on, 407 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, you want to be able to grip it. Yeah, 408 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing wrong with prepping a ball in 409 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: my opinion. Now, you're right, I'm having a hard time 410 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: come up with with with football as much, you know, 411 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,239 Speaker 1: cheating types of stuff. Yeah, I I you know, I 412 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is the h Obviously, the the 413 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: p ds would stay off the field is certainly something. 414 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, learning how to train better. Great, but if 415 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: you're putting an a legal substance in your body, then 416 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, is there is it an accident that Will Fuller, 417 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: who couldn't stay healthy his whole career, stays healthy and 418 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: then get suspended for p d s? You know what 419 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: I mean? Do you recover faster? Can you train differently 420 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: because of them? You know? Then that obviously should be 421 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: illegal or some kind of speed you know, doing doing 422 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of lines before a game. I mean that's 423 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: not fair, I mean, or whatever it is. So no, 424 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: I guess drug stuff is obviously one. Yeah, um, and 425 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: I know people major League Baseball there there obviously was 426 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: an issue and there and she has been going on 427 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: that game since the dawn of time, probably more so 428 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: than the is there is there a difference? To me, 429 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a much of a difference 430 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: between the guys in the sixties taking speed because there 431 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: or whatever they took to to help them be able 432 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: to play a double header or you know, come back 433 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: in the next morning. I know, people look at the 434 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: you know the seventies Steelers who say, well they were 435 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: they were on stereods, Well so was everybody else. They 436 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: weren't illegal. It wasn't illegal at that time. Yeah, that's 437 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: a difference to me too. I was gonna bring that 438 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: up to like, I bet twenty years from now they'll say, 439 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: I can't believe that all athletes did this. They didn't 440 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: and they didn't know. You know, like when cigarettes came out, 441 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: people to know they were bad for him. They had 442 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: an idea. They probably had an idea, right, um, but 443 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean steroids at the time, we're not illegal. You know, 444 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: you can't get them, and anyone used them, right, Yeah, 445 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: they were new and people thought, wow, this is a 446 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: better way to train. I'm gonna do it. Then your 447 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: opponents used them too, But baseball had I mean just 448 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: they had an issue. And yeah, and you see what 449 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: it does two players or you know, long term health health. 450 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: They held their own good, it really is. But like 451 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: you look at like Lenny Distra and his body with 452 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: Brady Anderson went from hitting the eleven home runs to fifty. Yeah, 453 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: you know it doesn't even look like the same here. Ye. Yeah, 454 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: they said something like Bonds his hat size went up 455 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: like a couple of sizes like that, your skull shouldn't change. 456 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I just baseball However, like there their 457 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: Baseball Writers Association won't put those guys in the Hall 458 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: of Fame. Those guys don't get votes. I think football 459 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: looks at it a little bit differently, though. We've seen 460 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: guys who got caught doing stuff. And I don't know 461 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: enough about baseball, but shouldn't McGuire and Sosa and Bonds 462 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: and those guys still be Hall of Famers because they 463 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 1: were still the best players of their generation. That's to me, 464 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: I that I agree totally with that argument. Like good 465 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: is good, good is good. I mean, like if you 466 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: we don't know how many of the pictures were doing 467 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: those things, they weren't. I mean the guys that were 468 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: playing against were as well. Yeah, I mean, I guess 469 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: that's unfair to I don't know, I'm picking somebody out 470 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: of the hat cal Ripken that didn't. You know, the 471 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: guys that were clean obviously are at the disadvantage that 472 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: do we really know who was clean and who wasn't. 473 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: We don't just because somebody said they were clean, there 474 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: was no testing. And mean, I still think it happened. 475 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, McGuire still hit sixty some home runs. He 476 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: was one of the best players in the League that 477 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: year he should have been an All Star that you know, 478 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: quite frankly, the league kind of turned a blind eye 479 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: to it because their their ratings were down. That's so 480 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: some McGuire home run chase, you know, for the for 481 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: the all time home run chase was people cared about. 482 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: People cared about it, people watched. They didn't care that 483 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: those guys were juice up. It was obvious. I mean, yeah, yeah, 484 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean people watch wrestling too, and whatever. Um, I 485 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: don't know. I always think about like Hall of Fames 486 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: and all time grades as you have to judge that 487 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: player against his era, Like, with all respect to Jack Hamm, 488 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: great player, unbelievable player. He can't play today, you know, 489 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: Rocky Blier can't play today, you know, like they're just 490 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: too small and the game was different. You know that. 491 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: I was using a Babe Ruth argument, like, judge, were 492 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: you the best player of your era? Everyone's playing in 493 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: the same conditions. Basically before Ruth teams would hit home 494 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: runs and then he hit sixty the whole team. Would 495 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: he you know, wouldn't he hit double digits and he's 496 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: hitting fifty sixty. That's what made it so exciting. He's 497 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: the best player in the league by a mile, you 498 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he might be the best 499 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: athlete ever because of just those reasons when you compare 500 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: him to his con eemperary, right, Gretzky scoring two hundred 501 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: points when there aren't many hundred point scores, you know, 502 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: like we're blowing everybody of the water. So I don't know, 503 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: I just kind of look at it, like, how were 504 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: you a verse your era? And Barry Bonds, from what 505 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: I remember, was the best player of his era. Yeah, 506 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: and he was the best player before I started to 507 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: the Sosa McGuire thing, if you if you read about 508 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: that kind of like all these all these guys started 509 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: hitting these ridiculous home run numbers and they they're getting paid, 510 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: and he's like one of the best player. I'm hitting 511 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: forty and nobody cares, cares and yeah, so then he 512 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: just said us, you know, but if you're getting suspended 513 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,719 Speaker 1: left and right, then that hurts your cause. And then 514 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: I don't think you're a Hall of Fame type of 515 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: guy if you're breaking rules. But if the rules aren't 516 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: being forced, you're just playing every day. Yeah, I don't know, 517 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: it's an interesting thing. I just that the whole baseball 518 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: situation just kind of got me to thinking about that, like, 519 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, how does that work for football? Um? Yeah, 520 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I bet somebody will you else or 521 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, somebody something of my Yeah, here's something that 522 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: could be gone and everywhere to say that's not thinking 523 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: of it well enough. But I'm sure there's something. But man, um, yeah, 524 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: I don't think stuff a technique, a blocking way, I mean, 525 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: and it's legal, right, interesting conversation though, I'm sure there's 526 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: a couple of things in football, Like I said, ten 527 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: years from now, we'll look at and be like that 528 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been legal. Head slaps are legal, and there 529 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: they change rules all the time, you know, the crackback 530 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: blocks and those kind of things that these blindside blocks 531 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: that they're not legal anymore. And the second they happen, 532 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: we're always like, is that a good rule change or not? 533 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: But you know, ten years look back and be like, yeah, 534 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't be able to go home with the wedges. 535 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: The wedges on kickoff guys, you know, five guys grouped 536 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: together and just blow through one dude. He's head slaps 537 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: and things like that, like yeah, that's probably illegal. Yeah, 538 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: but interesting, interesting talk, interesting stuff there, But that's gonna 539 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: do it for this ship. Tomorrow, right, we'll be back 540 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: to change the schedule here this week, so we'll have 541 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: another one coming at you. But that's going to do 542 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: it for this edition of the Drive here on Steelers 543 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: Nation Radio. So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Jacob 544 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: ket here on site keeping us on the air, I'm 545 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: Dale Lolly. We thank you for listening to this edition 546 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.