1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of Steve gottson Company 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Live podcast. Find your local station for Stuc Gottson Company 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: Live at Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching fsor. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: This is the best of Stu Gotson Company Live on 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Been a while since we have spoken to our buddy 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: Danny Parkins here. First thing first, from five to six 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: pm on FS one, Danny, did you ever imagine we'd 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: arrive at a place where I guess at a week span, 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: the Syracuse head coaching job was available, Jerry McNamara was hired. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: We'll get your thoughts on that. 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: But now you have Carolina and potentially Kansas with job 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: openings in college basketball. 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: It's crazy, man, It is crazy. 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 4: And as much as I would love to talk about 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 4: the Big three right there, there's clearly the Big two 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 4: and Syracuse. 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, but once upon a time, I mean, come on, 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: you know what, once upon a time. But I actually 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: think this is a pretty interesting thing. Like the schools. 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: If you don't have. 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 4: Eight, ten, twelve, fifteen, twenty million bucks to spend on 24 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: your roster, yes, every year, who cares? If you won 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: the national title in two thousand and three. You're not 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 4: You're not recruiting off of like history and tradition anymore. 27 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 4: Like kids applying for two three four teams in they're 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: four years of college now like it's they're going to 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: the biggest paycheck, which I know you respect of course, yeah, 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 4: who doesn't. But like Syracuse wanted to hire the dude 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 4: who got the Providence job, and Providence had more money 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: for him, right, you know, so like Syracuse has not 33 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: stepped up in an nil world to spend that kind 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: of money. Now North Carolina does, and Kansas seems too, 35 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 4: and so you know they, but like so does Tech Texas. 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: Tech basketball is a better job than Syracuse basketball. 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: That's unbelievable. It really, it's it's it's stunning, to be 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: honest with you. Yes, yeah, but it's objectively true, like 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: the in who cares, Like, oh, you. 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: Can play in front of thirty thousand people in the 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 4: Carrier Dome to walk a fifteen win team, Like you know, 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 4: it doesn't it doesn't matter anymore. And like I don't 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 4: say this with like joy, but until my alma mater 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 4: figures out a way to compete monetarily in an NIL world, 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 4: like they're not a powerhouse program anymore. It's sad, but 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: it's it's just the it's the new world order. Like 47 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: BYU seems to spend more money on yes nil basketball 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 4: than Syracuse does right now. 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: So it's just it's not a big job. No, you 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: have me a providence. 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: I mean, like, so people are like, oh, are you 52 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: excited about Jerry mcnamarat, It's like, well, like yeah, in 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 4: a vacuum with for nostalgia, right, he hit six threes 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 4: in the first half of the final game against Kansas 55 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: with mellow. Then he had that big East Tournament run 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: his senior year where he hit the game winners and 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 4: like that was my freshman year. 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: So I love gmac. 59 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 4: Like I've interviewed him a bunch, Like we've interacted a 60 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: few times when I worked there, Like, yeah, it's great, 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: but nostalgia's only gonna get you so far if you 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: have millions of dollars to spend on players, and I 63 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 4: don't think that he does. 64 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Yes, it's interesting because kids are no longer looking at 65 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: Syracuse and thinking Jim Behine, thinking the Carrier Dome, thinking oh, 66 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: Derek Coleman played there. Oh, Billy Owen's played there, oh, 67 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony played there, it's just where and who is. 68 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: Going to pay me the most money? 69 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, and I had this conversation with 70 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: an uber driver last night, because you know, that's what 71 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: you do when you're in an uber at eleven thirty 72 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: headed the Chapel Hill, North Carolina. 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: Boots on the ground to get to the bottom of. 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: What's going on with Youbert Davis, and this Uber driver 75 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: is blessed in all the he's eighteen, nineteen twenty year 76 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: old kids for just going from. 77 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: School to school. 78 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: School hopping is what he called it, school hopping because 79 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: they want the money. 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: And I said, hey, imagine if you were eighteen and 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: you could grab. 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: That kind of money, money that could change your life, 83 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: and you're not certain you're going to make it to 84 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: the NBA, to the next level, you would grab all 85 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: that money. And the Uber driver hit his brakes and 86 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: he turned around to me and he said, you know what, 87 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: You're right. 88 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: If I were eighteen, I would grab all that money. 89 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 3: How about that? 90 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 4: Danny reached one teach one. You changed one person's opinion 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: and you were like, imagine it was you, and they're like, 92 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 4: oh my god, I had never. 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: Considered that illuminating. 94 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: Right, It's like a light went off, Like the most 95 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 4: basic form of persuasion, put yourself in someone else's shoes. 96 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: I never fucked you do that. But you know, uber drivers, 97 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: Uber drivers have conviction. 98 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: I mean they're driving around, they're thinking about this shit 99 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: all day, talking about it with every customer. 100 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 3: It is hard to change an uber driver's mind once 101 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: his mind. 102 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 4: Right, No, you did a public service, you absolutely did. Yeah, 103 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 4: And like I do think that there is an argument 104 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 4: of like is it like it's obviously in their best 105 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: interest monetarily, but would it be better to for just 106 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: like the friends you make in college, right, like the 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: college experience, Yes, who have the same coach, the same teammates, 108 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: the same friends, the same. 109 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: People, you know what I mean? Like that is something 110 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: that these kids are getting robbed of. 111 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: Right, go to Florida Atlantic and then you have a 112 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: final four run and you were making seventy five grand, 113 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 4: and then Michigan calls like, we want to pay you 114 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 4: seven hundred and fifty grand. But you can FaceTime your 115 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 4: old teammates, you know. 116 00:05:55,000 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: What I mean that you can't. You're not gonna miss 117 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 3: him that much, right. 118 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: You egonis him that much like how bit of Friends 119 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 4: could you possibly been in one year? Like you're gonna 120 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: You're gonna figure it out. You could buy a nice 121 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 4: coat if you have to Florida, Like it's it's it's 122 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 4: the money's crazy. 123 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: It is crazy. 124 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: But coaches have been able to do that for years, 125 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: and now the players could do it. 126 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: So I'm good with that. Yeah, that's right. 127 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, where do you come out on the unintended consequence 128 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: of Like we like Texas is the lowest seed remaining 129 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 4: in the tournament. We can't call them Cinderella. I won't 130 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: call them Cinderella. Absolutely not no, mean either, Like it's 131 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 4: the richest athletic department in the country. You don't get 132 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 4: to be Cinderella like Iowa, Iowa unbelievably like cool human 133 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: interest story the dude who hits the game winning shot 134 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 4: to beat Florida from sane. His father passed away. He 135 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 4: runs into his mom's arms. She hadn't seen him play 136 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 4: in the US and years. Great story, classic March madness story. Yes, 137 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: but that's but that's not Cinderella. You come from the 138 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: Big ten. You're no you know, like so I do 139 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: think like the wealth inequality gap in America is growing, 140 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 4: like the wealth inequality gap in college sports is growing, 141 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: where like Thursday and Friday the tournament, these games are 142 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: just twenty thirty forty point blowouts. 143 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: Cinderella has no. 144 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 4: Shot anymore because the way that Cinderella would work was, Oh, 145 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 4: I'm gonna stay at Loyola or Florida Atlantic or George 146 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: Mason for three or four years, great chemistry, and then 147 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: we'll snipe off a team of one and done's who 148 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: are eighteen or nineteen years old. Like, I honestly think 149 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 4: it's done. I don't see a world where mid major, 150 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 4: double digit seed can win again. I really don't. I 151 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 4: totally agree with you. You brought up Loyola, Hank Gathers, 152 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 4: Bo Kimball. They come to mind. 153 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: If they existed today, Loyola cannot exist today. This is 154 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: a team that I think went on a run to 155 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: the Elite eight, maybe the Final four, I'm not sure, 156 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: but they cannot exist today because Hank Gathers ends up 157 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: at North Carolina or Kansas, you know. Yeah, and like immediately, yes, 158 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: it's not even a first freshman year. 159 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, after it's freshman year. Because these programs not 160 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 4: only do they have coaches, they have general managers. Right, 161 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: They literally have people whose job it is is to 162 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: scout other teams and know how much money these kids 163 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: are making and be like, oh, we can make them 164 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 4: an offer we can't refuse. So you're not even gonna 165 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: get two years at these schools, like the second you pop, 166 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 4: you're gonna get plucked with undeniable money. Which again, like 167 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 4: I am four players getting paid, right, This is a 168 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 4: what I would say, unintended consequence. Some people would say 169 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 4: it was intended and they knew it was coming, but 170 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 4: like it's just a thing that we have to change, 171 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: Like March Madness is going to be fundamentally different for forever. 172 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of okay with that from the standpoint 173 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: of I love Cinderella's. 174 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: I love the upsets. The first you know, the first 175 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: two days, four days of. 176 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: The tournament, you had a couple with VCU over in 177 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: North Carolina, but you didn't have a lot. I'm okay 178 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: with that because I like Cinderella right up until they 179 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: interrupt my final four, Like I want big brands in 180 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: the final four, And so I'm kind of okay where 181 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: with where college basketball is headed from that record, Yeah, 182 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: they these games just need to deliver. 183 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: Yes, you know, like if we're going to get a 184 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 4: ton of blowouts early and then we get Hurley V 185 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: is a Patino v Shire you know, Darius Acuff and 186 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 4: Calipari going to get a chance to go through you 187 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 4: know Arizona, Like that's great, and like the storylines for 188 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: this Houston Illinois should be an incredible game, Like the 189 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 4: storylines for the Sweet sixteen and Elite eight are amazing. 190 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 3: And instead of David v. Golith, you get Goliathy Golith 191 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: and like I'm here for it right now. 192 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 4: But now the games need to deliver, yes, you know, 193 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 4: like we because I do think like the best part 194 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 4: of the tournament was sixty four going down to sixteen 195 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 4: over four days, Yes, right, like forty eight single elimination 196 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: games in four days. 197 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: Now sixteen to right. 198 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a small number of games, yes, standalone. 199 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: So like like if there's a blowout. 200 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 4: In the noon window on Thursday, there's three other games 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: going on. Yes, now when we're in like single television 202 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: windows of games, if there's a blowout, it is going 203 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: to impact how much people like stay locked into the product. 204 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 3: So like these games just need to deliver, yes. 205 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 5: Dany is it strange that Duke, being the number one 206 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 5: overall seed seems to be the one seed remaining that 207 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 5: people should trust the least. 208 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, uh, it's they were down double digits 209 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 4: to Siena in the second half. They were tied with 210 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 4: TCU with fourteen minutes left in the second half of 211 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: their round of thirty two game. You know, they got 212 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: the one guy back from injury, they got another guy out. Uh, 213 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: it's definitely, it's definitely. They definitely have looked the most 214 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 4: vulnerable of the one seeds except for Florida who lost. 215 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 4: You know, they were like number one overall and I 216 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,239 Speaker 4: maybe their third overall because Michigan and Arizona won more comfortably. 217 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 4: But they're also more injured than Michigan or Arizona. So 218 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 4: you know, we will forget very quickly about Duke having 219 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 4: some turbulence in their opening weekend. If they just like 220 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: blitz Patina, like they could blitz the two big East teams, 221 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 4: right Like, if they just go if they go through 222 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: Patino and Hurley, Saint Johns and John no one's gonna 223 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 4: remember that. Jerry mcnamary, Syracuse coach, gave him a run 224 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: in the. 225 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: Round four that bracket the East bracket, the Sweet sixteen, 226 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Elite eight that feels like a final four. 227 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: Man, is some good stuff right there, Yes, yeah, yeah, 228 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 3: it's great. 229 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: We did it on the show before the tournament. There 230 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 4: were more final fours among the coaches in the East region. 231 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 4: I think it was twenty one than final fours of 232 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: the other three reasons, like it was crazy crazy, Yes. 233 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah it was not. 234 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 4: And I mean what about Saint John's, Like, because hey, 235 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: John's got Kansas. 236 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: In the round of thirty two, they could go. 237 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 4: Kansas, yeah, Duke, yes, Michigan State or Yukon. 238 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 3: Just get to the final four. 239 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: Two games away from a national championship, right yeah, yeah. 240 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 4: Like having to go through self Shire and either Izzo 241 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 4: or Hurley to then make the final four is the 242 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 4: ridiculous path, same. 243 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: Job, Danny. 244 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 5: According to a report from the Chicago Sun Times, there's 245 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 5: growing momentum that Bulls coach Billy Donovan could step away 246 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 5: from the job when this season concludes. 247 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 6: Do you think there could be smoke there with the 248 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 6: unc opening So I think, listen, there's two things here. 249 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 6: I don't think people fully understand how poorly the Bulls 250 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 6: are run. They're run so poorly, like this is a 251 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 6: historic draft class. Everyone has known this is going to 252 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 6: be a historic draft class. It is seemingly better than 253 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 6: everyone before. Teams are outwardly tanking and flaunting the tanking rules, 254 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 6: and the Bulls were terrible. Everyone knew they were going 255 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 6: to be terrible, and then they waited until the trade 256 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 6: deadline'd be like, you know. 257 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 4: What, maybe we should tank, and so they're just like 258 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 4: tanking too late and they're going to set up with 259 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 4: like the ninth pick or something. So they're run remarkably poorly. 260 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 4: But I would still say they make so much money. 261 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 4: They're number one in attendance every year. It's such a 262 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: global brandy. They did literally, this is not hyperle They 263 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 4: did three different Derek Rose bobblehead nights because they just 264 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: sell nostalgia and they know that it will pack the 265 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 4: arena and be an above. 266 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 7: Face value ticket to coach the Bulls and make high 267 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 7: seven figures and live in Chicago with no real pressure 268 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 7: from ownership to win because there's no real expectations as 269 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 7: long as they make money. 270 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 3: The Kentucky job was opened. 271 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 4: The Kentucky Job was open two years ago, and Billy 272 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: Donovan took his name almost immediately. Yes, because he was like, 273 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 4: I want to coach in the NBA, Like the NBA 274 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 4: lifestyle is just so much better that I'll be surprised 275 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 4: if he goes to North Carolina. But I definitely if 276 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 4: he does. I don't think it's like the North Carolina 277 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 4: job is so great. I think it's like the Bulls 278 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: job has gotten so hopeless. 279 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a cushy job. As you mentioned, he 280 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: could sit there forever and still get paid. But I 281 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: think at some point the competitor in Billy Donovan's like, hey, 282 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: I want to win. And if going back to where 283 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: I had the most success was in college, went back 284 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: to back national championships, the appeal of Carolina is still 285 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: a very strong appeal to a coach. 286 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I would I would think so also, But 287 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 4: he was he has way more ties to Kentucky than 288 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 4: he does Carolina, and here he didn't bite. Now again, 289 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: two years have past, so maybe like he's more despondent 290 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: on the state of the Bulls over the last two years. 291 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 4: But if he didn't, if he didn't jump at Kentucky, 292 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: I don't know why I would predict that he jumps 293 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: at Carolina. And I don't you know I've talked to 294 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: billydynov In a couple of times, but I wouldn't claim 295 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 4: to know him, but I do wonder he didn't want 296 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 4: to stay in Oklahoma City because he hated the idea 297 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 4: of a rebuild and he leaves Oklahoma's now he gets 298 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: a big city upgrade, obviously, going from Oklahoma City to Chicago. 299 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 4: So like great city to make eight million bucks and 300 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 4: I don't know what he makes, whatever, make a ton 301 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 4: of money. 302 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: I wonder if he watches the thunder and is just 303 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: sick to his stomach. It's the most well run organization 304 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,239 Speaker 3: in sports. It's just the best organization. 305 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 4: They tank for a couple of years, like got Shay 306 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: guy Chet, just like a perfect tank, right back to 307 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: the top, like best GM, Awesome. 308 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: Fans on the urge of a dynasty. But he's got 309 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: the bulls. 310 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Godson Company 311 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: live weekdays at three pm Eastern twelve pm Pacific on 312 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 313 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: Greg Barnes is a senior reporter at Inside Carolina. He 314 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: joined us right now. 315 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I'm in Carolina, i am in Chapel Hill, and I'm 316 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: telling you you can't take a step without someone asking 317 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: you about Ubert Davis or who the next North Carolina 318 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: head coach is going to be men's basketball? Greg is 319 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: with us. 320 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: Greg, were you surprised by Youbert Davis being let go 321 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: by North Carolina? I really was. 322 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 8: There was some belief late in the season that with 323 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 8: the injuries, he was probably going to get another year, 324 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 8: but there's always that stipulation of, you know, he needs 325 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 8: at least so well in the postseason, and clearly North 326 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 8: Carolina did not in that loss to VCU, and things 327 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 8: came apart very quickly behind the scenes for him, and 328 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 8: by Friday afternoon, you know, a large percentage of the 329 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 8: Boosters were ready to move forward. 330 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: When you say things fell apart behind the scenes, can 331 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: you elaborate on that just a little bit. 332 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 333 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 8: So, as everybody knows, in this modern era, you've got 334 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 8: to have sufficient funds to be able to fund a 335 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 8: basketball roster, and North Carolina this current season twenty five 336 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 8: twenty six, the roster was valued at about. 337 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 9: Fourteen million dollars. 338 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 8: When you look at how North Carolina has the rev 339 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 8: share split out, football gets thirteen million, basketball gets seven, 340 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 8: so that gets you halfway to that fourteen million, and 341 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 8: with how things have played out, and there's frustration with Hubert. 342 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 8: He's not never been really good with boosters. This is 343 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 8: not something he enjoys doing. There was significant concern that 344 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 8: they could reach fourteen million dollars again, to the extent 345 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,719 Speaker 8: where they thought it was almost impossible. 346 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 9: And that was a driving factor in this. 347 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: In today's college basketball, you can't not have the winning 348 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: and not talk to the boosters at the same time. 349 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: That just doesn't work in today's college basketball. You have 350 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: to win and win big if you want to blow 351 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: off the boosters. I was not aware that that was 352 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: something Youbert Davis. 353 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: Didn't like to do. 354 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: And I'm certain win or lose that had to bother 355 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: people here at North Carolina, right. 356 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, And this is something he hasn't enjoyed 357 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 8: doing from day one. And I think kind of a 358 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 8: good example. Everybody knows Mac Brown is a fantastic fundraiser. 359 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 8: He does that as well as about anything. If you 360 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 8: look back at the twenty twenty three twenty four financial data, 361 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 8: the football program raise seven million dollars in donations. Right 362 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 8: the men's basketball program raised seven hundred and sixty thousand, 363 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 8: So wow. 364 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 9: Ten Tom's less. That kind of speaks to the differential. 365 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: If Caleb wi Wilson Almos said Williams the quarterback for 366 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: the Bears, if he remains healthy they get to the 367 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: sweet sixteen, does Youbert Davis. 368 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: Still have a job? 369 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 8: Bill Belichick would love to have Caleb Williams if we're 370 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 8: talking about. 371 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 3: Probably so. 372 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 9: And that's kind of how. 373 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: Fifty to fifty this was. 374 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 8: I think if North Carolina had had fared better in 375 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 8: the ACC Tournament and then maybe won a couple games 376 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 8: in the Clay Tournament, there would have been enough support 377 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 8: to get another year. But even saying that, if Hubert 378 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 8: Davis would have come back next year, I mean clearly 379 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 8: he would have been on the hot seat. Clearly there 380 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 8: would have been even more drama around the program. So 381 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 8: I think there was a lot of belief behind the 382 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 8: scenes that is probably better to go ahead and make 383 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 8: a move because next year could really be a bad 384 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 8: situation if the team doesn't play well. 385 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: Greg. 386 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 5: On the topic of Bill Belichick, You're looking at some 387 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 5: of the coaches on Carolina's searching on their hot board. 388 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 5: A lot of them have big buyouts attached to them. 389 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: Does the financial commitment the school made to Bill Belichick 390 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 5: kind of handcuffed them anyways in this search. 391 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 392 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 8: In fact, one of the key things coming out of 393 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 8: that Belichick search was, yeah, I mean, it's kind of 394 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 8: been a disaster thus far, but it really convinced everybody 395 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 8: associated with the program and around the program that if 396 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 8: we want to be a legitimate national contender in the 397 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 8: revenue sports, we're going to. 398 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 9: Have to open up the pocketbook. 399 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 8: And they know that even when Bill Belichick moves along, 400 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 8: they're gonna have to spend similar money for football. 401 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 9: And if they want North Carolina basketball. 402 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 8: To continue to be an elite program, that means you 403 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 8: can't pay the next head coach what you were paying 404 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 8: Herebret Davis, which is three million dollars. You're going to 405 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 8: have to invest a lot more, not just in head 406 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 8: coaching salary, but also in support staff salary, also in 407 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 8: nil commitments. And then part of that, of course, is 408 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 8: that buyout package that you're talking about. 409 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 3: Greg. 410 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 10: How much did his coaching tenure sort of sully Hubert 411 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 10: Davis's name in North Carolina? And do you think that 412 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 10: that sort of thing will affect how they look at 413 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 10: their next head coach? 414 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 11: Now? 415 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 9: I think with them getting out when they did, it 416 00:20:58,920 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 9: probably helps that. 417 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 5: Now. 418 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 8: We'll say, the expectation and the hope starting last Friday 419 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 8: was that they could have this nice ceremony and a 420 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 8: Schubert Davis decides to step down, they could celebrate him, 421 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 8: and he did not. He did not want to resign, 422 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 8: so in North Carolina ultimately had to fire him on Tuesday. 423 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 9: So that changes what wasn't. 424 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: Playing along, which I find which I think is great 425 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: of Hubert Davis. He doesn't have to play along. 426 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 8: Sure, yes he does not, but I think if this 427 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 8: would have gone on another year and the team was 428 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 8: not good next year, it could have been very problematic 429 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 8: for his legacy. 430 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 9: I don't think that's going to be the case now. 431 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because Carolina it's it's it's a family. 432 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: They usually hire from within. Youbert Davis played at North Carolina, 433 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: and Youbert Davis. I understand blowing the eighteen point lead, 434 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: but the body of work five seasons one, twenty five, 435 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: and fifty four made a final four, uh, you know, 436 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: beat coach K and Coach K's final game won the 437 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: ACC regular season champion in twenty to twenty four. 438 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 3: This seems very un Carolina light the way they went 439 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: about doing this. 440 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 12: Yeah. 441 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 8: The other aspect of that is North Carolina was a 442 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 8: sixth seed in the nca Bay Tournament this year. Yep, 443 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 8: that's the second best seed North Carolina has had since 444 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 8: twenty nineteen. 445 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: Yikes. 446 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, if you look back at nineteen eighty five's when 447 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 8: the tournament expanded. Through twenty nineteen, Carolina was a four 448 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 8: seed or better seventy eight percent of the time, So 449 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 8: about four out of every five years they've been a 450 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 8: four seater better once in the past seven years. 451 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, the standards very hot, and he's not meeting 452 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: those standards. 453 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 5: Go ahead and down, Greg with names like Dusty May, 454 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 5: Tommy Lloyd, tj Otselberger on UNC's board of candidates, How 455 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 5: does that work with them still coaching teams in the tournament. 456 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 9: That's a good question. 457 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 8: And at this point in time, when you've got so 458 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 8: much agent representation, there can be backchanneling that takes place 459 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 8: to see what kind of interest levels are and those 460 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 8: sorts of things. Of course, the coaches are not going 461 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 8: to be able to have conversations until they're done with 462 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 8: their playing season, and that's part of the process here. 463 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 8: If you're aiming high, which North Carolina is. 464 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 9: You have to be willing to wait. 465 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 8: And the challenge of that is the National Championship Game 466 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 8: is April sixth, and the transfer portal opens on April seventh. 467 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 9: So it did a tight window. 468 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: Of the names you've heard, what's the name that gets 469 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: or you think would get the fan base most excited? 470 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: Is it Billy Donovan? 471 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 8: I don't think it's Billy Donovan. Brad Stevens' name has 472 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 8: been out there. We all know that situation plays out. 473 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 8: I think Tommy Lloyd is the guy, given his track record. 474 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 8: I think he's got the personality that would fit at Carolina, 475 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 8: and I think a lot of people like what he 476 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 8: does at Arizona right now. 477 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: If you're Carolina, though, this is a different you know, 478 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: it's a different world in terms of college basketball and 479 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: college football where Rick Patino was beloved now, but you 480 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: know a couple of decades ago that wasn't the case. 481 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you turn over every stone if you're in 482 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: North Carolina, meaning why wouldn't you make a call to. 483 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: A guy like Rick Patino? Why not? 484 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 9: I don't think there's any reason not to. 485 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 8: I do think one thing that that's relevant here is 486 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 8: that there are probably certain people that don't have the 487 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 8: right personality. There's some coaches, as we all know, have 488 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 8: a little bit of arrogance, a little bit of brattiness 489 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 8: to them. Sure, for some sites, that's perfectly fine. Right 490 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 8: for Carolina, that's not gonna fly. And you have to 491 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 8: be a little bit more personable in those types of things. 492 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 8: What is it about Carolina? Explain that a little bit. 493 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 8: I gotta be honest with you. It makes me hate 494 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 8: North Carolina. Go hire a fucking Rick Patino. 495 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 3: I mean, geez, you're on the ground. You can go 496 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: talk to that. I have my boots on the ground. 497 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 9: You're it's the southern gentleman charm, right, I guess that's best. 498 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 3: Sai like Roy Williams was a perfect fit for that. Yes, exactly, 499 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: you're right. 500 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 8: Indeed, Smith right, But Carolina hasn't had a coach that 501 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 8: will cuss other than a handful of times in fifty years. 502 00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 3: So I know, I know. 503 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: But college basketball is no longer college basketball, and Carolina 504 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: might want to rethink about how their approach and how 505 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: they move forward here in twenty twenty six. 506 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. 507 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 5: Baby steps, baby steps, You're right Greg, you mentioned that 508 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 5: Billy Donovan wouldn't be most of you and C's fans' 509 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 5: first choice. But what if I say, if Billy Donovan 510 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 5: leaves the Bulls for Carolina, John Shire leaves Duke for 511 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 5: the Bulls. 512 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 3: Oh jeez, that's two. 513 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 9: Birds when Stone kind of did it right. Yeah, that's 514 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 9: a possibility. 515 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 8: And look, I think it's pretty clear that Billy donald 516 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 8: than the one side of Chicago, and his name is 517 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 8: in a lot of searches right now behind the scenes. Certainly, 518 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 8: I think he would be interested in Carolina. It's just 519 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 8: a matter of Carolina would really be interested in him 520 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 8: in terms of the pecking order. 521 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: Shire's success here with Duke that had the factor into 522 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 1: Carolina doing what they did, right. 523 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 8: It does, and I think that's a good thing for 524 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 8: Carolina because Duke is setting the bar and North Carolina 525 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 8: does not want to take a backseat to Duke. 526 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: Is there a former a line of guy that perhaps 527 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: we're not thinking of that could be Kenny Smith on 528 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: the radar or someone like that. 529 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 9: I don't think so. 530 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 8: They're pretty dead settle making sure they hire somebody that 531 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 8: has their proven track record, right, and there's just nobody 532 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 8: in the UNC coaching tree right now, that has that. 533 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: Right and some Southern charm, that's what they need. 534 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 5: Yes, Greg, how does Bill self being unsure if he'll 535 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 5: return to Kansas affect Carolina search? 536 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 8: I think that is a massive elephant in the room 537 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 8: because it's one thing if you're the only blue blood 538 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 8: searching for a coach, but once you add another one 539 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 8: like Kansas, then every all of a sudden, everybody's kind 540 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 8: of competing for the same positions, which means that the 541 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 8: bidding process is elevated. There's a lot of other dynamics 542 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 8: to go into play. So one of the advantages North 543 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 8: Carolina has at this moment is that they have an 544 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 8: op open coaching job. 545 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 12: Right does not? 546 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 9: Yes, that's change I would imagine versuon right. 547 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: Wow. 548 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: I mean these jobs usually they never become available. And 549 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: to have Carolina and Kansas event, Roy Williams went to 550 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: Kansas so we could wait for the Carolina job, I 551 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: mean this is crazy. 552 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 9: And Dean Smith, you have from Kansas. 553 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: What a time in college sports. Indiana dominates football. We 554 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. 555 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 3: Man. 556 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: Listen, if I hear anything, I'm gonna walk around. I'm 557 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: gonna talk to some people. See if I can get 558 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. If I do, I will. 559 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: I will shoot you a text and let you know, 560 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: okay before anyone else does. 561 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 9: You can't cast and chop with I'll just have to. 562 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: I have cost five times during this interview. Thank you, 563 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 3: Buddy base. 564 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of Stu Gotson Company 565 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: Live weekdays at three pm Eastern twelve pm Pacific. 566 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 12: Happy Wednesday, and Happy Opening Day in Major League Baseball. 567 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 13: Don't say that. 568 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: First pitch. 569 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 12: It all counts for real. 570 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 13: It's not Opening Day. It's not no, it's not no. 571 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 13: It's not no, no, no, no no. I will only 572 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 13: accept it. 573 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 14: As opening night, Opening Day, one game, touch baseball. 574 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 12: Two teams tonight, San Francisco Yankees, Giants, Opening Day. 575 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 15: That's baseball, as baseball freaks, Jason Stewart, Moncey Belanos, you 576 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 15: guys offended by Opening Day just featuring one game. 577 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 12: I don't I'm gonna fend by the way, I'm totally 578 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 12: digging in by opening It's not that. 579 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 16: It's not offended. It's not Opening Day, Opening days tomorrow. 580 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 16: Today is Opening Night. What I'm more annoyed by, why 581 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 16: are we kicking things off with this inner league play 582 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 16: with this inner league game. 583 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 13: The Giants and the Yankees, what. 584 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: Why are are we doing that? 585 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 13: See, the NFL has it right. 586 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 16: Oh, the defending NFL champions will be kicking off the 587 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 16: season on September when that day? 588 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 3: Thank you? 589 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 13: Okay, So if you would have said. 590 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 14: The Yankees and the Blue Jays are kicking off the seam, 591 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 14: all right, well, or fine, the Dodgers and the Giants, okay, great, 592 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 14: but the Yankees and the and the San Francisco Giants, 593 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 14: and don't come at me that they used to all 594 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 14: play in Brooklyn and have that history. 595 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 13: Nobody cares about that. Why are we doing this? 596 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 3: That's baseball. 597 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 13: I don't care, but that's baseball. That's not baseball. The 598 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 13: opening day all teams should be playing. 599 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 14: So this is opening Night to give you a little 600 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 14: appetizer for Opening Day, which is actually Maniana. 601 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 12: I actually agree with you. I agree with you that 602 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 12: Opening Day should be all the teams playing on one day. 603 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 12: And by the way, that they should be a Monday. 604 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 12: It should be coming up Monday. And I understand the 605 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 12: changes they made. Changes they wanted more off days in 606 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 12: the season. You haven't expanded playoffs. You want to get 607 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 12: done by November first, something's going to have to be sacrificed. 608 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 12: And it was our traditional opening day, traditional opening day, 609 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 12: Cincinnati Reds have a parade, they play the first game 610 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 12: of the season, and everybody else follows suit. It's not 611 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 12: the case anymore, and it's completely ruined for Major League Baseball, Maazi, 612 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 12: Not only is it the Giants in Yankees tomorrow or 613 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 12: tonight in San Francisco. By the way, Manzi's going to 614 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 12: be seeing the Yankees and Giants on Saturday nights. Saturday night, 615 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 12: you and your boyfriend going up and checking out the game, 616 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 12: So that'll be fun. It's not the only interleague game 617 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 12: to open the season. It's not, and it's not even close. 618 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 12: Who says history? What says history? Like raise at Cardinals? 619 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: All right? 620 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 9: Not really? 621 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 13: What started is that tomorrow? 622 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 12: Yes, five minutes after a rematch of the nineteen eighty 623 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 12: four World Series Tiger's Padres that is also being played. 624 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 12: I mentioned the Reds. How about them opening this season 625 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 12: against the Red Sox. That is what's happening your sports, 626 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 12: Even though it's popular, moving away from tradition and opening 627 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 12: day is another casualty in all of this. Jason Stewart, Yeah, 628 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 12: I kind of look at it in a different way. 629 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: Now I do. 630 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 11: I get it, and I don't think it's ideal what 631 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 11: you guys are talking about. It's not. But isn't baseball 632 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 11: the one sport where the opening day is specific to 633 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 11: those cities? So next week, in other words, the Cardinals 634 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 11: or the Blue Jays will have their opening day. Tomorrow, 635 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 11: my team has the opening day, and it's going to 636 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 11: be very special because we're back to back World Series champs, 637 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 11: and there's gonna be a lot of hubbub about that. 638 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 11: So I think that I do understand what you're saying. 639 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 11: From a national level. If you don't have much loyalty 640 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 11: to any team, there isn't a whole lot that grabs 641 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 11: your attention about this day. I will say that, But 642 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 11: isn't baseball the one that really kind of hits that 643 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 11: local fan where the heartstrings are? Would you at least 644 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 11: give me that? 645 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 12: Yeah, I would agree with that. I just I think 646 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 12: that the I think to Manti's point about inter league play, 647 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 12: and I think Yankees Giants is neat. But that's the 648 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 12: problem with interleague plays. There's only so many matchups that 649 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 12: are really intriguing, right, So why start with that, right 650 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 12: it's Marquee. It's it's probably why they're shoving you know, Tampa, 651 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 12: and Tampa's a decent team and not awful, but them 652 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 12: and the Cardinals. You know, everybody will show up in 653 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 12: Saint Louis. Let's get the Raise series out of the 654 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 12: way and play it now and then they don't have 655 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 12: to worry about it. 656 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 13: That to me makes no sense, like get it out 657 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 13: of the way. 658 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 16: I feel like because inter league play, I know it's 659 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 16: more common than I was at one point, but because 660 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 16: it's still inner league play, I it's special. 661 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 13: Spread it out throughout the season. Opening Day. I don't 662 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 13: need it to be it's opening Day. You know what 663 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 13: I'm saying. 664 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 12: The Classics' it's they've taken it away, like the the 665 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 12: the uniqueness of opening Day is out the window. 666 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 4: You know how. 667 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 12: I know it's unique. We all know it's unique. And 668 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 12: to Jason's point about what it means at a local 669 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 12: level is true. It's because teams will play on Thursday 670 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 12: and then not play on Friday. And you want to 671 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 12: know why. 672 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 11: That is why? 673 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 12: Because the value of opening Day is so valuable that 674 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 12: some of these places have poor weather right and they 675 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 12: need the flexibility and They need the flexibility of having 676 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 12: Opening Day be special. So if you had a ticket 677 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 12: for Friday for the game in Saint Louis, which by 678 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 12: the way, there is none because it may rain in 679 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 12: Saint Louis, which it may do at the end of 680 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 12: March in the Midwest, surprise surprise that it may snow. 681 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 12: They need the value of the opening day ticket so 682 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 12: then the game can be played the next day. They 683 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 12: can't allow a ticket holder to hold a ticket for 684 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 12: the next day and then oh, well, I have a 685 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 12: ticket for Friday's game. Now I have Opening Day when 686 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 12: everybody paid extra or have the special stuff. So there's 687 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 12: value to Opening Day. Also because of the weather, it 688 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,359 Speaker 12: gives you that flexibility where certain places it's just unpredictable. 689 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 12: But it's also of holding the value of Opening Day. 690 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 12: That's why you will have a day off the next 691 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 12: day of having it. But it's so that's why there 692 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 12: is local value to it because of that ticket. But 693 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 12: as a whole it is different. But as a whole 694 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 12: I also like to sit down on a Monday and 695 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 12: watch the games and flip over and yeah, it's it's weird. 696 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 12: Like interly, it's still weird to me when everybody is 697 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 12: playing inter league, but it just feels like this is 698 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 12: now really really let the ships sail like they were. 699 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 12: Major League Baseball is fine and making in all these changes, 700 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 12: and as long as October is still special, they'll sacrifice 701 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 12: what we've got on opening Day. That's what it feels like. 702 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 16: It really does feel like that, and it's like they've 703 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 16: made good decisions for the sport. I think we've all 704 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 16: agreed at the pitch clock is great. I was very 705 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 16: annoy that the games are shorter because you're in LA 706 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 16: it's such an experience. But like, I think overall that 707 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 16: having the game shorter was a successful decision for the sport. 708 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 16: But you've kind of watered down Opening Day like this 709 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 16: and Opening Day I feel like used to be like 710 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 16: just so fun and now it's like, okay, so we 711 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 16: have Opening Night, okay, and then we have. 712 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 12: Does watching the does watching the Giants and Yankees tonight? 713 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 12: Would that take away the uniqueness of watching the Diamondbacks 714 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 12: and Dodgers tomorrow at Dodger Stadium for their opening Night? 715 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 7: No? 716 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 12: I don't think then, and I shouldn't bother you. That's 717 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 12: what's That's what your point is, right, Jason, Like like 718 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 12: it's as a whole. Most people just care about their 719 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 12: opening day for their teams. 720 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 11: That's what you're saying, correct, And I will say this, 721 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 11: how about this, Mancy. Compare this year to year, I 722 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 11: think the last two years, maybe just last year, the 723 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 11: Dodgers opened on the ras in the Southeast Asia like 724 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 11: a week before, Like that really offended my sensibilities. You 725 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 11: could have just made those exhibition games. Why would they 726 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 11: count on the schedule. I was so pissed off at that. 727 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 11: So at the very least, the Giants Yankees tonight, whether 728 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 11: you find it on Netflix or not, it's an actual 729 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 11: game between two people in the United States. That's that's progress. 730 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 16: Fair Fair, You're right, Especially the Dodgers came back and 731 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 16: then didn't play for like a week or something. 732 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 13: And it was like the weirdest thing. 733 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 12: There were two to zero for like week for like, we're. 734 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 13: Gonna have there in first place. Well, yeah, because they're 735 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,959 Speaker 13: the only ones who've played. That's why they're in first place. 736 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 16: I yeah, But like today, when I saw that the 737 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 16: when I don't know when I realized that the Yankees 738 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 16: and Giants were playing, but when I officially realized that 739 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 16: that was on a Wednesday night, I was like, oh, well, 740 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 16: I'll be watching the Clippers game, So I guess I'm 741 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 16: not watching baseball when it starts because I wasn't expecting it. 742 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 16: I was expecting my first time watching the new season 743 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 16: of baseball to be during the day. 744 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 13: Like I get up and there's baseball. 745 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 12: Major League Baseball is taking is putting the responsibility on 746 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 12: your shoulders. Jason has accepted the responsibility and you haven't. 747 00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 7: No, I am not. 748 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 12: And I think that that's I think that that's tough. 749 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 12: I guess like this was one of their things. You 750 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 12: want to know who does Opening Day the best and 751 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,399 Speaker 12: they get criticized for it. NASCAR right like it's it's 752 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 12: the biggest race of the year. People are like, oh, 753 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 12: you start the year and then I'll tell you what though, 754 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 12: still pretty awesome. And the NFL, we just said the 755 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 12: news that the Seahawks are going to be playing on 756 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 12: the Wednesday because of the game in Australia that's going 757 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 12: to be played on the Thursday. They still wanted to 758 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 12: give the honor to the Super Bowl champs. That's not 759 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 12: going to change anything to the common fan, even to 760 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 12: me as a Seahawks fan. What's the difference. It's a 761 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 12: day earlier than what it is. I don't think it's 762 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 12: disrespect by any means. The NFL has been flexible with that. 763 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 12: Major League Baseball started tearing away Opening Day when they 764 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 12: started to play the Sunday night game prior to the Monday. 765 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 12: So this has been a decades long sort of deal, 766 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 12: and it's just they're just saying, you know what, if 767 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 12: you like Opening Day and you want to make a 768 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 12: big deal with it, yes, yes, and that's ultimately what 769 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 12: it is. But they don't. I don't think they have 770 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 12: any desire to store it in what was once a 771 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 12: sacred day on their schedule. 772 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 14: They're not worried about the people watching it at home, 773 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 14: is what you're telling me, only the ones that are 774 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 14: going to come in. 775 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 12: I don't think that they care period. 776 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 13: The period well so, I I don't seem that way, right. 777 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 12: It's good for their broadcast partner, like they're like Netflix 778 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 12: is now new to the game. No offense. They don't 779 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 12: want race Cardinals, right, you know, so they want Giants, Yankees, 780 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 12: they want you know that, that's what that's what they want. 781 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 12: But the onus is on you to make Opening Day 782 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 12: special to you. They're gonna Each team is going to 783 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 12: have their own ceremony. Each team's going to do their 784 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 12: own special thing, and you're going to see it throughout 785 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,879 Speaker 12: the thirty ballparks over the next week and a half. 786 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 12: That's that's what they are relying because Major League Baseball 787 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 12: doesn't have any interest in keeping this sacred anymore. 788 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 13: Is anything sacred anymore? 789 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 12: Daytona five hundred is Jason Stewart, You. 790 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 11: Bring up the NFL and I just thought of this. 791 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 11: What do you guys think about this? So I want 792 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 11: to say major League Baseball is kind of doing this 793 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 11: Wednesday one off thing. Who kind of copy the NFL's 794 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 11: model of like extending the opening days, like giving you 795 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 11: multiple opening days, and the I think any sport other 796 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 11: than the NFL that tries to copy their model is 797 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 11: it's folly. It's like, it's laughable. I always say this 798 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 11: about the NBA when they try to do things that 799 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 11: the NFL is doing, like Major League Baseball, the NBA, 800 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 11: even like college football. They're all fine for pepsi to 801 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 11: the coke that is the NFL. So there's to say 802 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 11: that it works for the NFL, maybe it'll work for us. 803 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 11: I think it's just a failing way to look at things. 804 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 12: I don't and I don't think that they're copying the 805 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 12: NFL because Major League Baseball has done this for years. 806 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 12: They just recently we have switched to a Thursday opening 807 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 12: day because of the expanding of the playoffs and the 808 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 12: more off days during the season. But there was a time, 809 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 12: I would say a decade ago. I would even bet 810 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 12: two decades ago that opening day when it was on 811 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 12: the Monday, usually of the National championship game in college basketball, 812 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 12: ESPN would have a Sunday night game. 813 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 3: Am I right on that? 814 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 12: Isaac? I just saw your head and I'm just I 815 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 12: thought you were nodding in agreement. 816 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 17: Also, typically Cincinnati was traditionally supposed to have the first game. 817 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,799 Speaker 17: But yes, it started around that time that you would 818 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 17: have the Sunday day game and then Monday it would 819 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 17: be everybody else and you'd work from East coast across 820 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 17: the West coast. I still remember Toughy Roads of the 821 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 17: Cubs hitting three home runs on an opening Day once 822 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 17: against the Mets. It's stuck in my mind. It was 823 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 17: more of a one time national civic institution then. 824 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 12: But yeah, they would have a Sunday night game usually 825 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 12: see the Reds in Cincinnati. They have a parade, they 826 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 12: have their Hall of Famers, and then they would get 827 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 12: to play the first game of the day and then 828 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 12: everybody follows suit someway or another. But it always started 829 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 12: in Cincinnati. And then and then Major League Baseball started 830 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 12: to do this Sunday night. Crap, Hey, ESPN, you know, 831 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 12: John Millan, Joe Morgan will be in Kansas City. It's 832 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 12: you know, the defending champion Royals, and and that ended 833 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 12: up replacing it. That was kind of like their pseudo 834 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 12: opening Day, and it just never stopped. And then when 835 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 12: they changed the schedule because it's no longer on a Monday, 836 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 12: now we have to do it in late March on 837 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 12: a Thursday. They have now just done it here with 838 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,479 Speaker 12: Netflix to try to give them some added value. 839 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 16: I feel like that's I'm more now leaning to what 840 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 16: you're saying that they just don't care. They don't care 841 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 16: about the fans because being on Netflix that part of it. 842 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 16: Why isn't it on a national network station that everyone 843 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 16: can watch. I feel like a lot of people have Netflix, 844 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 16: but like this should just be on television, it shouldn't 845 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 16: be on a streaming service. 846 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 12: Well, this is another thing that now that I think, 847 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,840 Speaker 12: Jason you pointed out. Andrew Marshan made a sweet about 848 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 12: the variety of different places that you're gonna have to 849 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 12: watch games, Like if you're a Yankees fan, is they're 850 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 12: like ten different spots that you're gonna have to find 851 00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 12: your games. 852 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 11: He adds it up for Yankees fans five subscriptions, ten networks. 853 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 11: Welcome to trying to watch your team in twenty twenty six. 854 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 12: But you're not watching every single game. 855 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,280 Speaker 13: No no, no, no, no no. I still haven't gotten peacock. 856 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 13: I still refuse. I refuse, Well, I didn't watch that 857 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 13: Chiefs game. I'm not watching anything. 858 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 12: This big ten fans have been peacocks. 859 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 13: Well, see, like, because there you go because of that, 860 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 13: that makes perfect sense. But I remember with Doug Gottlie, 861 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 13: coach was like, you're not going to get peacock. You're 862 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 13: really not. I was like, I'm not just for the 863 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 13: Chiefs to watch the Chiefs now, I'm not going to 864 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 13: do that, and I still haven't gotten peacock. 865 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 12: It gives them value that it will bring people who 866 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 12: probably didn't purchase anymore you know, there wouldn't have purchased 867 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 12: whoever doesn't have Netflix but you couldn't do it with 868 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 12: the raising Cardinals. You had to do it with the 869 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 12: Yankees and Giants. You absolutely had to. No, they're putting 870 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 12: the onus on us. I actually like the NBA's Opening 871 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 12: Night better than what Major League Baseball is now doing, 872 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 12: at least because you always will have the champ and 873 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,560 Speaker 12: if they're in the Eastern Conference, they play the first game, 874 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 12: and if it's in the Western Conference, like play the 875 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 12: second game. In the first game. If it's not the 876 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 12: defending champs, it's a little bit of an appetizer. Maybe 877 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 12: they need to just get rid of it and just 878 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,719 Speaker 12: have like the champs on the opening night. I'm not 879 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 12: sure on however it plays out, but Major League Baseball 880 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 12: doesn't necessarily care. The only one who cares is NASCAR 881 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 12: and golf, because the PGA Tour is starting to have 882 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 12: conversations about having a big signature event to open the 883 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 12: season somewhere on the West Coast to try to otherwise 884 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 12: the season just kind of begins in a Hawaii slidesen 885 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 12: during the NFL playoffs. They're looking ahead to try to 886 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 12: make something special at the start, so I commend them. 887 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 12: NASCAR has always done it, even though we've been critical 888 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 12: of it. At least they do it right because major 889 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 12: League Baseball doesn't care anymore. 890 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 13: So annoyed,