1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Smantha. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 2: Welcome stuff, I'll Never Told you Protection by Heart video, 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: And I just got back from a summer trip I 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 2: do with some of my really old friends, and every 5 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: time I take that trip, I think of this episode 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: we did about building a community, you know, the dream 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: of having just your friends in an area and making 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: a community and being self sufficient and independent. And I 9 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: know we've been talking a lot about your garden, Samantha, 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: and I remember that was an important part of our 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: communities that we would design if we could have them. 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: And yes, I would love I would love it. It's 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: a wonderful idea. I swear every time around this year, 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, be so nice. I only make it work. Yeah, yes, 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: Well as always, listeners, if you have a community that 16 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: you would like to describe to us, please write in. 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, please enjoy this classic episode. 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 2: I'm not come to stepon Never Told You a Protection 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: of iHeart radio. 21 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 3: And welcome to today's episode, which is again featured by 22 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: me and my moment in life. Okay, and so therefore 23 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to reflect with y'all because I've had some 24 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 3: thoughts in my head. Yeah, and if you've been around, 25 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: you know that I've been needing to do something. I 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 3: think I was like, I need some big change. Well, 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: I've actually been looking at purchasing a home recently, and 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: not just because I'm having a midlife crisis or a 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: crisis at all, but actually for living reasons, because you know, 30 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: rent is bad, it's Atlanta, everything is skyrocketing, and we're 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: trying to make life choices that are smart. Yeah, but 32 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: damn capitalism sucks. Indeed, indeed say just saying, and y'all 33 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: it's a whole endeavor. I'm sure many of you have 34 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: already passed this threshold of trying to buy a house. 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: I feel like it's called adulting. I'm not good at it. 36 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: I think I tweeted recently about the fact that I 37 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 3: actually had an anxiety attack after having a real conversation 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: with a professional about purchasing a home. Still thinking about 39 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: it makes my heart flutter a bit. And there's so 40 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: much to do, And to be honest, part of this 41 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 3: is like what if you know, scenarios like trying to 42 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: create the best case scenario for myself, not going in 43 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: too much debt, not going overboard, finding something that I 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: love all of these things, and one of the things 45 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 3: I've been trying to plot any I know you're very 46 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: well aware it is trying to have all my ladies 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: in an area with me, because that's something that I've 48 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: been thinking about a lot. In college, I had this, 49 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: and I don't know if you did. Of course, we 50 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: had roommates, but we had a little section where all 51 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: of our little friends were close to each other. It 52 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: wasn't just ladies, but just like we were all close 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 3: to each other and there was something to it. And 54 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: I loved being able to like relying on each other. 55 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: If we needed a company, it was there. If not, 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 3: we could go our separate ways. You know, all of that. 57 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: And again, you know, I'm like, what would it look 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: like if we try to make a community of our own. Yes, 59 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: I may or may not have been sending any houses 60 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: to look at and say would you live in. 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: This with me? 62 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: It's definitely you did do that, Absolutely that you did. 63 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: So I do have a partner that we will be 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: moving in together officially. But I was like, Annie, if 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 3: we got a basement apartment, would you come and hang 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: with us? And I've seriously been sending her pictures like, look, 67 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: this could be your place. 68 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: It's true, that's true, And I'm like, how much Star 69 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: Wars decor? 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Can I get away with. 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: All of it? 72 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Spot? 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: It's your spot. And to be honest, like, it's been 74 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: a thing that we've talked about a lot, Caroline from 75 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: Unlady Likes previously from stuff Mom and never told you 76 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: and I have been talking about it for a while. 77 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: We're like, man, it would just be nice to be 78 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: close to each other but separate from each other, wouldn't it. 79 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, And especially during. 80 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: The quarantine when we were self locked down because Atlanta 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: wasn't doing that necessarily, it was like, you know, it 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: would be nice to be able to like sit across 83 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: porches and yell at each other. 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, just have a porch, right again. 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 3: So this made us start wondering could it be possible 86 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 3: to create our own communities? And we know there are 87 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: some and we're going to talk more about it, but 88 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: before we start, Annie, if you could create your own community, 89 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: what would it look like? 90 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: I So, as you said, we've talked about this a 91 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: lot before, and we've talked about it on the podcast, 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: and several listeners have written in and said that this 93 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 2: idea really resonated with them that they've thought about it too, 94 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: and they gave like excellent reasons why, some like societal 95 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: and pressure reasons and some just fun reasons. So I 96 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: have thought about this for a while and I have 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: a pretty good vision in my head. But it's like 98 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: you know in movies when they have that like flashback 99 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: scene where you're remembering the better days and the light 100 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: is kind of soft, the focus is soft and bright. 101 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 2: So like I have this general vision, but it's not 102 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: I have it honed in on all the details, but 103 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: some key things I know. 104 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: I want a garden. 105 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: I want like a functioning, beautiful garden that we all 106 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: contribute to in one way or the other, because I 107 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: think you can help out in various ways. As you said, 108 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: I want together but separate. I want everyone to have 109 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: their own spaces and even maybe their own kitchens. Are 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: either a huge ass kitchen, right huge, because I feel 111 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: like a lot of tensions that happen in living situations 112 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: is based around the kitchen. 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: So I want a big kitchen. 114 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: I want it to be somewhere that has a lot 115 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 2: of like greenery and maybe trails around and we can walk. 116 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: I want to be able to see stars at night, 117 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: like a lot of stars. If a water is close by, 118 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: that'd be nice, whether it's a river or anybody of water, 119 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: that'd be really nice. 120 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: Would like nice weather. 121 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 2: I like seasons, but like maybe not too strong of seasons, 122 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: because you know the. 123 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: Garden right right. 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: And I want to like theater area where we can 125 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 2: do like movies or plays or whatever. I thought about 126 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: having like a planetarium situation, but I think if the 127 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: stars are good enough and the planetariums overkill, and then 128 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 2: obviously some kind of like Star Wars area for me, 129 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: maybe that's in my own space, but that has to 130 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 2: exist somewhere. And then there would have to be like 131 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: a division of labor that we can agree upon all 132 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: those like logistics that I've really get into in this 133 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: like soft focused, beautiful, idealized version. But there would have 134 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: to be like some type of leadership thing and uh 135 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: or place to air grievance because. 136 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: I like it. 137 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to fall apart. 138 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: It is really good. 139 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you gotta you gotta address those things or 140 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: else like the seeds of annoyance will sew and then 141 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: the whole thing falls apart. 142 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: Also, people are free to come and go they want. 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: I want it to be a very like peaceful experience, right, And. 144 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: You know what, that's You're not far off because a 145 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 3: lot of those conversations have happened. 146 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: Uh. 147 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: And that same thing and the whole like being in 148 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: the open and seeing stars. That's actually a part of 149 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: the requirements that happened in the past. 150 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 151 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: And we're gonna talk a little more about it. But 152 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: I know you and I have talked about this about 153 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: how we were going to be neighboring communes because we 154 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: were a little bit different in what we wanted. I 155 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: think we would share garden. I think they definitely would 156 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: need to share a garden. I do think of our 157 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: MySpace would have to be individual kitchens because yeah, law 158 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: of contingent happens about dirty dishes, who does what chores 159 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 3: and everybody can do it themselves. As long as it's 160 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: like reasonable as in like you're not bringing an infestation, 161 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: then it shouldn't be a big deal. Right, So my head, 162 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: my commune, Yeah, it's not just all women necessarily, but 163 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: understand that it's probably to be women run, which actually 164 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: exists today too, And we'll talk about that a little later. Yeah, 165 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: I really like the idea. Honestly, it's more about you know, 166 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 3: not necessarily commune, but the community, meaning we live there, 167 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: but we go and do our own thing. We can 168 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 3: sustain there, but we're also able to go buy the 169 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: Rito's if we want it. There's no shame in bringing 170 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: that in. Yes, of course I will need my TV 171 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: so I can keep watching all of my episodes on 172 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 3: repeat for my trauma Wi Fi important. Yes, and also 173 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: we would have therapists on hands. That was definitely another 174 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: part to that. It's that you need to do therapy, 175 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: whether it's once a month's check in, how are things going, 176 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: or once a week, let's get down to it. Like 177 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: that's my other big part to that. If you want family, wonderful, 178 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: we'll have that worked out. I feel like we should 179 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: create our own schools because I don't love what's happening 180 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 3: in public schools, especially in the South right now, with 181 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: also giving livable wages for teachers and therapists. So just saying, 182 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: just saying, maybe bring in my own doctor team to 183 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: like my own little healthcare team. Yeah, so that everybody 184 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: gets access to healthcare that is communal as well. 185 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 186 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: It's funny because we briefly discussed this beforehand, very very briefly, 187 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: and Samantha was telling me all about her ideas and 188 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 2: I was like, where's the funding coming from? And She's like, don't. 189 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: Ask questions, don't worry about this. 190 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: You're right, Like I said, mine is also a soft, focused, beautiful, 191 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: idealized vision. I haven't hammered out the details. 192 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: I mean it may end up being like, yes, like 193 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: as if we are in a socialist country, we would 194 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: have not taxes, but we would fund to freely, Like okay, 195 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: half of this, but knowing that this takes care of 196 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: all of that, including education and da da da da 197 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: being a community. 198 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: Right, But that's a whole different conversations. 199 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: But yeah, so we do have all these ideas but 200 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 3: not necessarily true. But we also want to talk about 201 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: and look at some of the past communities and some 202 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 3: that are still here today and talk about what they 203 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: looked like and why it was important for that time, 204 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: and just talking about whether or not can they be 205 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 3: successful because they are kind of dying out. So a 206 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: big chunk of them actually started in the seventies or 207 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: late sixties thanks to second wave of feminism, which as 208 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: we know, didn't look great in the nineteen nineties, and 209 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 3: so a lot of shit went down. Maybe we should 210 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: go ahead and put a content warning. It's not we're 211 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: not getting into any deep specifics about people domestic violence 212 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: or abuse or anything, but we are going to talk 213 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: about them a little bit. We all are going to 214 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: mention turfs, because obviously when we talk about all women, 215 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: there's a lot of conversations to be had about it 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: as well. So if any of these things are like, eh, 217 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 3: it's too controversial right now, I don't want to deal 218 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: with it, I understand. Move on, here we go. So 219 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: before we start, let's talk about a little bit of history. 220 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: So in eighteen sixty there actually was a US community 221 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: started here. It started about Martha mcgwerter, who was a 222 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: Bible study leader who happened to be a confidant for 223 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 3: many unhappy married women who had no options. So during 224 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 3: this time, of course we know eighteen sixties even now, 225 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: actually in a lot of religious communities it is frowned 226 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 3: upon for women to leave their husbands, no matter how abusive, 227 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: no matter how bad it was, And she would often 228 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 3: be a confidant at these Bible studies which she led 229 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: for women who would tell her about all of the 230 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 3: bad things, a lot of them about alcoholism and their 231 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: husbands being abusive, but rating or neglectful in general, and 232 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 3: she would actually advise them and started off with like, 233 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: well cut them off. So she had these ideas and 234 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: today we'd be like, this is weaponizing some things. But 235 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: she did what she had to do, literally teaching women 236 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: what they had to do. They couldn't leave because at 237 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: that point in time, especially in the community that she 238 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 3: lived in in Texas, they would not allow for divorce 239 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: unless women proved that if they were to remain they 240 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: would die, and obviously it was hard to do that 241 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: because they would die. And even with that case, they 242 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: would still make them go back to their husbands after 243 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 3: a while by after chastising the husband or they would say, yeah, 244 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: you can get divorced, but you can never marry again. 245 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 3: You are there to support your family community no matter what. 246 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: You can't be married again. You have to sustain isolated, 247 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: which was a lot which was pretty difficult, saying that 248 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: women could not earn money. They really if they did 249 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: not have family to support them, they were in trouble. 250 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: So she was trying to say, okay, do these things, 251 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 3: trying to discipline the man to teach them a lesson. 252 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: It did not work out too well, so eventually she 253 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: was like, you know what, come on over, So she 254 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: started the Sanctified Sisters also known as the Sactificationists in 255 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 3: their household and then had women move into the household 256 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: with them while she cared for them, which later trans 257 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: into having another building that they opened up and it 258 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: was the first shelter to help women seeking refuge in 259 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: eighteen seventy five. And by the way, there's a lot 260 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: of stories about the fact that her and her husband 261 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 3: were pretty happy, but towards the end he started getting 262 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: a lot of backlash and was not too happy and 263 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: kind of bemoaned the situation, but she still did her thing. 264 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: He finally died and she took over the fortune and 265 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: was able to establish herself. So she said, whatever, I'm 266 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: going to keep doing this. Love it, love it, And 267 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: they were delivering services for battered women and later organized 268 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: the Women's Commonwealth of Belton in Texas. And by the way, 269 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: the town of Belton not huge fans. They blamed her 270 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: for the divorces and separations that happened. Really talked about 271 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: how she was enabling these women to turn away from 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 3: their husbands and sitting. But her legendary work remained and 273 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: even after her death it continued with the last member 274 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 3: of the Commonwealth died in nineteen eighty three, so over 275 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: one hundred years later. So go ahead. And as we 276 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 3: said earlier, the sixties and seventies were prime years for 277 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 3: a lot of these communities, and they were often referred 278 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: to as quote going back to the land, so kind 279 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: of your idea, as the communities were self sustaining communities 280 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: that would be placed back into the woods, away from 281 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: quote societies, so people couldn't see them or even noticed 282 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: it existed. They were able to have their own gardens 283 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 3: and have their own livelihoods without people inter fearing And 284 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: by the way, also the Commonwealth, the Women's Commonwealth, was 285 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: so beloved that it kept going. And as in fact, 286 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: some of our homes now some of them, some of 287 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: the communities reflect similar to what she had created. And 288 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: she became like a huge part of the community as 289 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: in she was I believe in office as some of 290 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 3: like big government local government things, so she was involved 291 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: and because she was actually a really smart businesswoman. Uh, 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: they really respected the fact that she could maintain hmmm 293 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: mm hmmm. 294 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: That's interesting. 295 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: I think this idea of like going back to the 296 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: land for because it's almost like you're trying to get 297 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 2: away from the toxic things in society. You're kind of 298 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: like checking out from that aspect of it. So I 299 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: find that interesting. So the history collection dot com says 300 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: about these communities, quote, these are called Women's lands and 301 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: that's women spelled wom yn s well aproshapeus, you know 302 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: what I mean, And many of them still exist today. 303 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 2: They accept women of all races and religions. Some of 304 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: these communes were specifically made to house lesbians. Other communities 305 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 2: were meant to help women travelers who were brave enough 306 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 2: to venture across country alone and needed places to stay 307 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: where they felt safe. Considering how many women are still 308 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: attacked and killed when traveling alone and staying in cheap motels, 309 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: this kind of program would still be useful to this day. 310 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: Many of these places are filled with small cabins and shacks, 311 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: almost like a campsite, and all of the citizens have 312 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: to do their part to help keep the community going. 313 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: I'm sure there's past episodes about the women spelling womyn specifically, 314 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: but during the times they really were adamant that they 315 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: did not want men as part of their word, so 316 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 3: m in and say they put the y instead to 317 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 3: show their own autonomy and not as part of the 318 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 3: misogynistic patriarchal idea of existing under man. So just that. 319 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: So one of the biggest pluses for these communities is 320 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: for the women who did not have children or other 321 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: family members to help care for them as they grew older. 322 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: And I think about this often any as someone who 323 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: was childless, I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to 324 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 3: be alone, which is what my mother's fear was for me. 325 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: But communities like this allowed for women to grow together 326 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: with others and not having to be alone as In fact, 327 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 3: the original members of the Women's Comment Wealth were able 328 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: to retire together, moving from Texas to this DC because 329 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: they wanted to grow that community and wanted to do 330 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: in the Capitol. And in the nineties another group, older 331 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: Women's co Housing, had a similar idea where women living together, 332 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 3: learning together, helping each other financially and emotionally. Of course, 333 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 3: in the nineties they were like, we don't want to 334 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 3: be seen as feminists and hippies, so they try to 335 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 3: remove themselves from that conversation, even though their ideas were 336 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: very feminist. Yeah, just to go ahead put that there, 337 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 3: But yeah, this is something I think about too. It 338 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 3: was like getting older has been easier because I have 339 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 3: a collective of friends who don't have children themselves and 340 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: are able to be a little more accessible for me 341 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: as a single person when I'm saying, hey, let's go 342 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: get a drink or let's go hang out here, because 343 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: you know, children are work. We get that, and children 344 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 3: are beautiful and amazing, and I hope that never comes 345 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: across that we are anti children in any way. But 346 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 3: we know that it's a lot of work, and then 347 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: we know this has to be a build up, and 348 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 3: we know that oftentimes in a family heteronormative family, women 349 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 3: carried the brunt and burden of the load by choice 350 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: and sometimes not by choice. So that's something that we 351 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: do talk about. But there's also that hopefully, if you 352 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 3: have a good relationship with these children, they will take 353 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: care of you when you get to the point that 354 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 3: you need someone to care for you, which by the way, 355 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: is horrifying. As I'm aging, I'm like, oh my god, 356 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: that's scary. But for those who have not had children, 357 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: that's something we don't have, so if we don't have 358 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: family who takes care of you. 359 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 360 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely one of the appeals of the commune 361 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: idea for me is like I can be single, but 362 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: there are people around, yes to help that care about me, and. 363 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: If I fall down, they can come and get me right. 364 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: At least someone's gonna come check up on me. Which 365 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: is episode. 366 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: Oh wow, it all comes back to six in the 367 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: city every time. Yes, sure, we'll get to it, and 368 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: I'll have more thoughts then. 369 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: Yes. 370 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 3: So they want to talk more about some of the 371 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 3: communities that exist today. But I don't know if you 372 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 3: actually knew this. I did not know this. Arkansas has 373 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: a chunk of women intentional communities, or sometimes I call 374 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: them women communes. I guess communes have a whole different connotation. 375 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's a whole different conversation again, but Arkansas has 376 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 3: chunk of it, and it has a lot to do 377 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: with Apparently, in the nineteen sixties nineteen seventies, some lands 378 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 3: were really really, really really cheap and easy to purchase, 379 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: so a lot of these lands were purchased that way. 380 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: Now a lot of these other communities, and the ones 381 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: we talk about in Arkansas seem to have something to 382 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: do with Native and Indigenous communities and them taking back 383 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: some of the land. So that's kind of a beautiful 384 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: thought too, But we did want to take a moment 385 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: to talk about them. 386 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 2: Yes, so we have some quotes about these communities from 387 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: Arkansas starting with The specific values that bring women together 388 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: to form land communities vary from one community to the next. 389 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: The overarching commonalities include the importance of distinguishing women's communities 390 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: from patriarchal institutions by valuing women's contributions, encouraging women's empowerment, 391 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: and relying on consensus based decision making processes and non 392 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: hierarchical organization. Another common thread has been to provide space 393 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 2: for women to take on non conforming gender and leadership roles. 394 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 2: Environmental sustainability and preservation also are common goals, often grounded 395 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 2: in a synthesis of radical and eco feminist philosophies, emphasizing 396 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 2: that women should have an opportunity to quote live together 397 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: in harmony with the earth, with respect toward and growing 398 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: with her and one another right. 399 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: And I found that what they were saying, So this 400 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 3: all comes from one site who talked about their history, 401 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 3: and I loved it. So we wanted to talk about 402 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: why they're doing it and what it looked like, and 403 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 3: then talking about like specific communities. 404 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: Right right, And there were several in Arkansas, yes, including 405 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: one intentional community still there today, the Santuario Arco Iris Centuario, 406 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: the Santuario Arco Iris and from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas 407 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 2: dot com, here's a bit about this community. Santuario Arco Iris, 408 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 2: an intentional land community located in Ponka Newton County near 409 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: the Buffalo National River in northwestern Arkansas, was founded by 410 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: Maria Cristina de Colores Morales, also known by her ceremonial 411 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: names Sunhawk and Aguila, originally as a sanctuary or sacred 412 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: land space for all women and children, particularly women and 413 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: children of color. Morols, who identifies as a so called 414 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: two spirit woman of Mexico and Indigenous American descent, has 415 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: lived on the Wilderness Preserve since nineteen seventy six. She 416 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: moved there with her five year old daughter, Jennifer. Her 417 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 2: partner from nineteen eighty two to twenty eleven, Miguela Borges, 418 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 2: was also instrumental in the development of Sanario Arcoiris and 419 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 2: its associated nonprofit organization, the arco Iris Earth Care Project 420 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: or the AIECP. Moroles prefers the Pan Indian term two 421 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: spirit to the term lesbian to describe a third or 422 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: non binary gender identification and sexual orientation that derives from 423 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: Native American ceremonial roles and culture. 424 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to dig more into her because 425 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 3: she sounds amazing anyway, But yeah. 426 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: Keep going. 427 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: I will drawing eclectically from various spiritual and ideological traditions. 428 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: Arco Iris we use eco feminist, Indigenous and American and 429 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: non Western concepts of sustainable environment and community, social justice, 430 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: and natural healing into its mission. As Marole stated Centuario, 431 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: arco Iris has served as a rural shelter for women 432 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: and children of color to regain our self respect and 433 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: self determination and heal from our personal and ancestral wounds. 434 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: We learned from nature how to be healthy women and 435 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: good parents and community members, recovering our indigenous culture, spiritual ways, 436 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: and remembering our matriarchal ceremonies to protect ourselves, our children, 437 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: and above all, Mother Earth. We started from scratch on 438 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: rural wilderness land, with no elders or community, no money, 439 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: no road, no homes, no infrastructure. We were poor, working 440 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: class women, survivors of every type of abuse and neglects, 441 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 2: and we made our way back home to our roots 442 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: and our mother and then it goes on. Never intended 443 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: as a strictly lesbian separatist settlement, arco Iris now welcomes 444 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: in its community both women and men with serious commitment 445 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: to its ideals of healing, social justice, and sustainability. Morols 446 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: and Borges reared both a daughter and a son on 447 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: the land, and a male cousin currently resides at arco 448 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 2: Iris with Maroles. Nevertheless, arco Iris remains rooted in philosophy 449 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: and programming and what has come to be known as 450 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: the Lesbian Land of movement also called the Land Dyke movement, 451 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 2: as well as in broader social and cultural movements for 452 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: indigenous people's rights, anti racism, alternative healing, and ecology. 453 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 3: Right, so this is apparently the entirety of this community 454 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: kind of came through splinters of older communities. It's fascinating 455 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: to me. I'm not really sure again, Like he talks 456 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 3: about who they bring in, what they're doing, but it's 457 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 3: obviously very specific and very focused, and I love that. 458 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: I love the idea of preservation for their community, indigenous 459 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: peoples and people of colors. So like, it's a beautiful 460 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 3: idea and I'm glad this still exists. I do wonder 461 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: how much it has dwindled, Like I said, it has 462 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 3: splintered throughout the years from the seventies, but a few 463 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 3: do exist. And speaking of which, I did not know 464 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 3: that there was one in Alabama? Did you? 465 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 2: No? 466 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: I did not. I have seen. 467 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 2: This is not really related, but I will mention there's 468 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: this place in Alabama near my grandparents' old beach house 469 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: called Bama Hinge, the Stone Hinge, but it's like made 470 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 2: of stier okay guardboard, And the first time I stumbled 471 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: across it, I was like, what's going on here? 472 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: What's happening here? 473 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: Right? 474 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: So, according to the site, because it exists, quote, Alipine 475 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: is home to a diverse group of women WMYN who 476 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 3: celebrate many spiritual pasts, pursue a variety of outdoor activities, 477 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 3: and enjoy vegetarian and gluten free to omnivorous diets. Residents 478 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 3: are full time, part time, or seasonal, and there are 479 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 3: some non resident lot owners. Dogs and cats are welcome, 480 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 3: with sub restrictions. We currently range in ages from fifties 481 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 3: to eighties, but welcome women of all ages. And by 482 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: the way, because we talked about this earlier and I 483 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: thought it's important high speed internet allow some members who 484 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: work from home. Many are retired. We are within an 485 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 3: hour of several large cities, so the whole like it's 486 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: still updated. So they exist. You can look at their site. 487 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: Alipine dot org is a L A P I n 488 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 3: E dot org. And if I'm saying that wrong, I apologize. 489 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. Probably they have rooms for rents in 490 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: the village, so we may have to check this place out. 491 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: By the way, this is right there now research yeah, 492 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 3: right there in Alabama. And they were featured in one 493 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: of the articles that talk about women led organizations or 494 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 3: women led villages around the world and what they say 495 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: of this community in one hundred acres of rural northeastern 496 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 3: Alabama land. Since Alipine an all female community born out 497 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: of the nineteen seventies, a lesbian separatist movement, and that 498 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: continues to survive in Bible Belt America. Alipine only numbers 499 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: a dozen or so members these days. But what the 500 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: women have created here is not unique. And I am surprised. 501 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: Maybe it's because we don't know about it. We have 502 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: attend to it. There are apparently around one hundred lesbian 503 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 3: communities like Alipine around North America. Again, it's called Women's Land. 504 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: I think we've talked about that previously, and it has 505 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: co ops for women farm and women are the ones 506 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: who tend it as well as lead it. So it 507 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: is an interesting thing to see again, any I think 508 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: you and I may need to go check this spot out. 509 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, there's several around the country that we talked about. 510 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 3: I know there's several I think in Australia that still exists. 511 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: There's a lot. I know we haven't dug into it, 512 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: but it is still kind of what we talked about. 513 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: How it's died out and may have everything to do 514 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: with the intersectional feminism that ha's existed today. One of 515 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 3: the big conversations that happened in the fragmenting of several 516 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 3: of these places are the exclusions of trans women and 517 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: we've seen that in festivals. We've talked about this before. 518 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: I know there's one home named after Susan B. Anthony. 519 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: That's a whole different conversation in itself, which did not 520 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 3: allow for trans communities to be a part of this area, 521 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 3: and then that kind of grew into trans communities building 522 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: their own communities, which I love the idea, which is 523 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: a lot more welcoming and loving. There's a whole other 524 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 3: conversation about what about non binary, how do we include them? 525 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: What does that look like, and how do we make 526 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 3: sure that we are providing a safe space for everyone 527 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 3: and including the non binary, but at the same time 528 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 3: trying to word it correctly. I guess for each area, 529 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: and I know that was a big part of conversations. 530 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 3: Again after a second wave feminism, we know there was 531 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: a lot of backlash, and so this is part of 532 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: the reason why they say these communities may be dying 533 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 3: out again lesbian only where they did ban all men, 534 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: which I don't hate, I don't hate. It was controversial 535 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 3: for a little while. Again that turf talk walked into 536 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 3: this as well, when we looked at how inclusively of 537 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 3: some of these communities world were not. There was a 538 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: lot of politics, unfortunately in an area that didn't want 539 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 3: a lot of politics. 540 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: Just to put in here, I think for a lot 541 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: of people, when you hear the word commune, which we've 542 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: been using, community a lot. But when when you think 543 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 2: of like the word commune, you associate, if you're like me, 544 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: you associate with cult or that at least there is 545 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: the danger. 546 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: Of that happening. 547 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: And I happen to know two men who have talked 548 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: to me about wanting to join a cult. 549 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: Not see I did it. I did it. 550 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to join a commune. And my immediate, clearly. 551 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: Reaction was, are you sure that's not a cult? Right, 552 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 2: which I as we've said, I love this idea, but 553 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: there is I think a part of it is like 554 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 2: propaganda or media We've seen. I've watched a million horror movies. 555 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: It is sort of like living outside of the patriarchal system, right, 556 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: So I think there's been a lot of that, like 557 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: paint brush over it, and I guess it's been and 558 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: it's been very successful. And that's not to say there 559 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: isn't a danger because if you have like a very 560 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: when they say cults, and personality, like somebody who can 561 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 2: be very persuasive and lead these things. And I don't know, 562 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: because we also talked about that when we did Women 563 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: in Cults, where there we have it's a very fine 564 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 2: line between what you're demonizing as a cult versus what 565 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: is just living outside of the societal norms you're used to, 566 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: especially like Western Christian patriarchal societal norms for us in specific. 567 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 2: But I think that's an interesting part of this too, 568 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: is that you know, these politics, as you say, have 569 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 2: come into them and to what we want to be 570 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: these like you know, beautiful kind of free you can 571 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: finally be yourself and be free, and we can live 572 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: in harmony space. But there's also that kind of like outside, 573 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: like what's going on here? 574 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 3: Right right? And you know, with all of that, there's 575 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 3: this level of conversation. Yes, they were not only seen 576 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: as communists, but because it was women ran, they were 577 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 3: also seen as hippies, which for the longest time had 578 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 3: a negative connotation to it, and it still does. It 579 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 3: still does, Like people use that as jokes, Oh, are 580 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: you a hippie? Now? Are you a hippie? Now? Right? 581 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 3: You like Patruli, all these things really ridiculous assumptions with 582 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: being a hippie, and some of these organizations have fallen 583 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: out of favor because of those labels and titles, as 584 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: well as the fact that for some reason, I think 585 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: maybe the last three years has changed this, but for 586 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 3: a while they're like, eh, we don't need feminism as much, 587 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 3: that whole level of like we're good now women have rice. 588 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? We're just like yeah, no, 589 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: And maybe it's according to what part of social media 590 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 3: you're on, what part of the movies, or what part 591 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: of you know, gaming industry you're in, But you realize 592 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: very quickly, no, it's not gone. And this is why 593 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 3: people are asking for a safe space, a place to 594 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 3: be able to grow with each other. And on top 595 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 3: of that, I think a lot of again we've talked 596 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: about this before as an introductory to you and I 597 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 3: about mentorship. We don't have a lot of women that 598 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 3: we look up to today because we have grown up 599 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 3: in a different era where than our parents, than our aunts. 600 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: Who again, my mother wanted to be a mother at fourteen, 601 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 3: she was ready like that was her goal, Like not goal, 602 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 3: but that was her happiness. And she she loves being 603 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 3: a mother, she loves being the wife, She loves having 604 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: her family that defined her that was never me. And 605 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: trying to figure out who do I look up to, 606 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: who do I talk to, who do I seek? And 607 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: again also being a person of color, all different things. 608 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't want to look up to white women. 609 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: I'm sorry white women, y'all are amazing, but you know 610 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like there's this level of like they 611 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 3: don't understand the hardships and I need to know how 612 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 3: to navigate my life. And for the most part, like 613 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 3: my friends, books and people that I have trusted, whether 614 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 3: it's teachers or people that I've read through, they have 615 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: been those people. But that was kind of the attraction 616 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 3: of some of these communes slash communities was to have 617 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 3: mentorship level. As in fact, one such place was called 618 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: the Huntington Open Women's Land, which is in Vermont, and 619 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 3: as in fact, they were featured in two articles as 620 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 3: they were kind of I don't know, dying out but 621 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 3: had less and less people. I think these both of 622 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 3: these articles came in twenty nineteen. Maybe there was a 623 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 3: plug that happened for them trying to create an open environment. 624 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 3: But their intention was to bring younger women into this 625 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: land and to mentor to shape young women, and to 626 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 3: prepare them for the world that is so centered around 627 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 3: misogynistic ideals. I've kind of lost that, and I'm kind 628 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 3: of sad about that. I really wish because I will 629 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: say there's something to being able to be with a 630 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 3: group of women and to bond. 631 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 632 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's something kind of oh liberating, especially if it's 633 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: a group of women that is in your like same 634 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: kind of mindsets and you feel like you don't have 635 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 2: to put up these appearances or performances. And also just 636 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 2: the other day I saw an article, and every now 637 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 2: and then there's something I'm like, we're still talking about this, 638 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: but it was about why are we so afraid of 639 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 2: single women? And I think that's another reason why we're 640 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: kind of like, or at least mainstream media is like, 641 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: why are all these women living and by them so right? 642 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: They're living in communities of just women. 643 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: It's wrong. 644 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: So there's like that air of you know, like homophobia, 645 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 2: but also just fear around women kind of opting out 646 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 2: of society, which we've talked about a lot. But I 647 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: do think, yeah, that is when I think about my 648 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 2: ideal commune, it is like full of my friends and 649 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 2: full of like the support and just sort of being 650 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 2: able to be yourself totally right right and not feel 651 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: like you have to act in a certain way that 652 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: is not your self right. 653 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: As in fact, part of reading all of these older 654 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 3: generation of women who did these they talked about that 655 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 3: this was about self preservation. The reason the lesbian communes 656 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: slash lesbian communities were so big was because they found 657 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 3: a safe space to love who they can love. And 658 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 3: I hate that that's where we're going back to and 659 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 3: we may need them again because we see all these 660 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 3: anti LGBTQ plus policies. Thats going in place and no 661 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 3: one's stopping them. But a part of the reasons that 662 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: these communities happens for the safety of those in the 663 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 3: queer community, as well as the safety for those who 664 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 3: have been assaulted and have gone through some things. When 665 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 3: I said previously in a different episode, not all men, 666 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 3: but all men, that's what we're talking about, not necessarily 667 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 3: with the lesbian community, but the whole safety aspect is 668 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 3: we can't be mistaken that you're not going to be 669 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: one of those men. And I say you and the 670 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 3: general men in general, that just because you may not 671 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 3: be the one that does something to a woman or 672 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 3: to someone doesn't mean that it's not going to happen 673 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 3: and doesn't mean another man won't do it. So it's 674 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: just safer for women to assume all men are going 675 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: to do it until you are in our trust, and 676 00:36:54,239 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 3: even then people break our trust. And that's kind at 677 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 3: that whole level. Now, not that abuse doesn't happen within 678 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: the lesbian community, we know it does. We know abuse 679 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 3: happens in the queer community. We know that it's not 680 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 3: talked about enough, and we need to be able to 681 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,919 Speaker 3: give safe spaces to that as well. But what we're 682 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 3: looking at is why these female centric communities were so 683 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 3: important and are still kind of important, and why we 684 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: need to learn from them, and why we need to 685 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 3: look at them still as a possible option. That's just 686 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 3: my opinion. I know, I know that's my opinion. But 687 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 3: I did want to also give some examples of other communities, 688 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: women led communities, so not necessarily like all women we 689 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 3: haven't just been talking about all women only communities, but 690 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 3: that that have been successful and why they exist. So 691 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 3: this actually came from Wonderingourworld dot com. And I really 692 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 3: don't know how old this article is, y'all. I kind 693 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 3: of try to look for it. I think it's fairly newer. 694 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that they still exist because that would 695 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 3: make me happy. But I want to give some examples 696 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 3: of some women led or all women communities that are 697 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 3: thriving around the world, one of them being Umoja Village, 698 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 3: where not only are the women in charge, but they 699 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 3: are the only inhabitants. Literally, men are forbidden so from 700 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 3: the site it says. Umoja, situated in the grasslands of 701 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 3: northern Kenya, was set up by fifteen women in nineteen 702 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 3: ninety as a refuge after suffering horrendous sexual violence at 703 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 3: the hands of British soldiers. Finding themselves homeless after being 704 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 3: forced out of their homes by husbands who did not 705 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 3: want a wife who had been raped, these brave women 706 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 3: set up their own village where violence and men were banned, 707 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 3: and then later they started taking in children and children 708 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 3: with HIV so abandoned children were allowed in three decades 709 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 3: on and the community members are around two hundred and 710 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 3: fifty women and children. They've continued to take in women 711 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 3: fleeing female genital mutilation as well as those seeking safety 712 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 3: after suffering assault and rape. The women all members of 713 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 3: the Samburu So Sorry people now live in a completely 714 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: different life from those who live around them. They make 715 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 3: community decisions together, have jobs and earn income, and live 716 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 3: without fear of male violence or of FGM so love that, 717 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, I want to go to there. And then 718 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 3: we have Nueva del Cordero and I'm so sorry if 719 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 3: I just butchered all that and almost all female Brazilian 720 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,919 Speaker 3: town founded in the eighteen nineties, which continues to grow 721 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 3: from strength to strength and now has a population of 722 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 3: six hundred. So apparently it started off because a Brazilian 723 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 3: woman named Maria Sinorina de Lima set up this town 724 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 3: after she was accused of adultery after leaving a forced 725 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: marriage and was excommunicated. She wanted to do all this 726 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 3: in order to create a haven for women where men 727 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 3: could not control them. So the tach That town is 728 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 3: in the southeast of Brazil, which continues to exist today, 729 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 3: populated by hundreds of women who work the land and 730 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 3: work for each other. The community believes their town is 731 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 3: more organized and peaceful than if men were in charge. 732 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 3: I probably agree. Some of the residents are married, but 733 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 3: their husbands almost all work in the large cities far 734 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 3: from the village, so only managed to return on the weekends. 735 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I might have to go to there. 736 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 3: And it is pretty much run by the women only 737 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 3: and men are allowed to live in the town as 738 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 3: long as they abide by the Female Lead World Book. 739 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go to theirs. I'm gonna have 740 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,959 Speaker 3: to go. And then just one more, because I love 741 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 3: all of these. We wanted to talk about the women 742 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: of Jinwar. As it says in the Sight Out of 743 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 3: the Ruins of the Syrian War, a group of women 744 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 3: who suffered at the hands of the ISIS brutality have 745 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,320 Speaker 3: created an all female village and refuge calle Jinwar, based 746 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 3: in the north of Kurdish controlled Syria called Rajava. The 747 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 3: village was founded in twenty seventeen and the women saw 748 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 3: it as an opportunity to create their own self sustainable 749 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 3: community living off the land. The women of Jinwar believe 750 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 3: they must separate themselves from the male dominated violence in 751 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 3: the country and equality between men and women in Syria, 752 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 3: and they did this in hopes that they could live 753 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 3: the full to their lives, the potential of their life. 754 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 3: And they've have some few documentaries and seeming lead are 755 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 3: doing well and I love to see it. Of course, 756 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 3: this is obviously a very new five years old at most. Yeah, 757 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 3: I would love to hear more about how they have 758 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 3: been able to sustain and continue in a war ravished area. 759 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 3: I know we've talked about the Syrian refugees before and 760 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 3: I would like to see what is happening, but we're 761 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 3: very limited. But we want to celebrate the fact that 762 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 3: they were able to do so and take in control 763 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 3: of their lives because it's amazing and we need so 764 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 3: many more examples of that. 765 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's definitely been the theme throughout 766 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 2: and I think even when we heard from you listeners, 767 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 2: because I know we mentioned it and I believe our 768 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 2: feminist movie Friday on Film and Luise, yeah, and we 769 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 2: talked about that kind of them living outside of society, 770 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 2: and you know, that's kind of a whole it's different 771 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 2: but related idea of there are these problems, there are 772 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 2: these injustices that are written into our laws and just 773 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 2: society in general, as marginalized people and as women as 774 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,320 Speaker 2: we've been talking about in here, and why it appeals 775 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 2: to people to live outside of that. Why this is 776 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 2: an appealing idea for a lot of us, I think 777 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 2: is that and we've seen that kind of thread throughout 778 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 2: in all of these examples, and of course, as you said, 779 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 2: so we've said throughout there are problems too, Like there's 780 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 2: still none of us are completely immune from this, like 781 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 2: the biases we've been raised with. 782 00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 1: But it is. 783 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 2: Very interesting to me to see these examples and to 784 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,479 Speaker 2: hear these like commonalities and why they exist, which also 785 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 2: speaks to like a lot of issues we need to 786 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 2: fix in society at large. 787 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's right, that is interesting. 788 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 3: And like we said, we don't know exactly what all 789 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 3: is happening in the world today, but it continues. Yeah, 790 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 3: s Minty, I think we need we need to do. 791 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,799 Speaker 3: I think we need to create our own community. 792 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh, you know what we need listeners, right? 793 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 2: And what what do we need? What is integral in 794 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 2: this s Minty community? Uh, we need to know what's 795 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 2: your ideal ideal commune slash community and if there's something 796 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 2: we missed that we should talk about, please let us know. 797 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 2: You can email us a steppid mom Stuff at iheartmeia 798 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 2: dot com. You can find us on Instagram at stuff 799 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 2: I've Never Told You are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. 800 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina. 801 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 3: You were absolutely a part of this community, so you 802 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 3: need to tell us what you need. 803 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 2: Yes, Christina, get back to us on that and thanks 804 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,840 Speaker 2: to you for listening stuff I never told the projection 805 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeart 806 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 2: Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or regular listen to your favorite shows.