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Speaker 1: play a little word association. Say the first thing that

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Speaker 1: comes to your mind when I say Kardashian. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: I get that now. I'd like you to listen in

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Speaker 1: on a conversation I had with Chris Kardashian Jenner, the

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Speaker 1: matriarch of the Kardashian Empire. When we're done, let's do

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Speaker 1: a word association again and see if you have a

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Speaker 1: different response. I met Chris over ten years ago. Sing

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Speaker 1: a song with me. Chris, ready, sing a song. We're

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Speaker 1: going to sing. The song will come out tomorrow. I'll

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Speaker 1: bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow. Our daughters attended school together.

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Speaker 1: And added bonus there was that Chris's husband, Olympic decathlon

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Speaker 1: champion Bruce Jenner, was their private track coach. And then

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Speaker 1: and say, okay, that's enough, right. Chris Jenner always calls

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Speaker 1: the shots. She describes herself this way, complete control freak.

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Speaker 1: She and her husband Bruce have ten kids between them.

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Speaker 1: We're most familiar with their five girls, Courtney, Chloe, Kim, Kendall,

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Speaker 1: and Kylie, who, along with their parents, are the subjects

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Speaker 1: of Keeping up with the Kardashians and three spinoff shows

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Speaker 1: on the cable channel E. This is a family that's

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Speaker 1: used to publicity even before their TV shows existed. A

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Speaker 1: former boyfriend of Kim's leaked to sex video of the

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Speaker 1: two of them. It's clear this family has made the

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Speaker 1: most of the spotlight and nothing is off topic. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: that you need a bikini acs from here. By now,

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Speaker 1: we're all pretty used to the reality TV concept. But

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Speaker 1: in the early nineteen seventies, when PBS turned a camera

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Speaker 1: on the Loud Family in northern California to create the

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Speaker 1: program An American Family, this was breaking new ground. The

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Speaker 1: Louds are neither average nor typical. No family is. Did

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Speaker 1: you watch the American Family? You can see the Louds

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Speaker 1: when they want. Ever watch that show so that you

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Speaker 1: know who they are. Right. So, American Family was considered

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Speaker 1: the mother of all reality shows, and the Louds were

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Speaker 1: a lot of things happened. The sun Lanceloud came out

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Speaker 1: It was really like the family had allowed themselves to

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Speaker 1: these people had no sense of humor. How are you doing? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I up from a nap, didn't you? I'm getting and

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Speaker 1: a boy. And how about food? Are you getting a

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Speaker 1: lot of food? Well? I think you guys have to

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Speaker 1: stay united and realize that anything that either one of

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Speaker 1: you does builds the whole. Kardashian brand. My sister, Yes,

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Speaker 1: the brand. The Kardashian Collection, a line of clothes and

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Speaker 1: the family earned sixty million dollars in profits. Chris Kardashian

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Speaker 1: Jenner explained where it all began. We've always been a

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Speaker 1: really close, big family. I met Bruce. I had four kids,

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Speaker 1: we have this family with ten kids. So your first husband,

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Speaker 1: to date much more. I was like, I was done.

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Speaker 1: When you have a retail store, you want customers. Somebody

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Speaker 1: I'm signing up. The TV show was really just something

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do that meaning contruse

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Speaker 1: Now to link this to something else. You know your husband, Bruce,

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Speaker 1: and really gets him crazy mad is when they talk inappropriately,

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Speaker 1: And how do you help your kids get through because

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Speaker 1: But better than that, you always have your family. That's

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Speaker 1: life raising my kids. They're my life. Chris Kardashian Jenner.

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Speaker 1: She calls herself the momager of her plan. They recently

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Speaker 1: two days into her new marriage, Kim Kardashian filed for divorce.

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