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Speaker 4: We had a great show tonight. I'm figuring the.
Speaker 5: Pulse at the world's largest gun show. And Charlie Crockett
Speaker 5: is here tonight, So let's get in the headlines. Let's
Speaker 5: start with some breaking news. Apparently widespread line and deceit
Speaker 5: may have some consequences.
Speaker 6: And we are back with our breaking news coverage. Just
Speaker 6: as opening statements were set to begin in what was
Speaker 6: going to be a historic trial Dominion Voting Systems suing
Speaker 6: Fox for defamation, lawyers on both sides reached a settlement,
Speaker 6: and absolutely enormous settlement. A lawyer for Dominion announced that
Speaker 6: Fox would be paying Dominion seven hundred and eighty seven million,
Speaker 6: five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: Wow, seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars. That is
Speaker 5: a ton of money, and Fox was already strapped for cash.
Speaker 5: Tucker Carlson can only afford one facial expression. Look, I'm
Speaker 5: glad there's some accountability here, but still I'm pretty disappointed.
Speaker 5: We're not going to get a trial because all the
Speaker 5: Fox anchors would have been forced to testify. It would
Speaker 5: have been like the Seinfeld Final, but instead of instead
Speaker 5: of soup Nazis, it's just.
Speaker 4: Nazi. Since Box is gonna have to.
Speaker 5: Pay nearly a billion dollars, they'll need to implement cost
Speaker 5: cutting measures. Sadly, they have to fire Brian kill Mead's
Speaker 5: reading tutor, Janine Piro, has to switch to.
Speaker 4: The cheap box of wine. Uh.
Speaker 5: Development on a third Doocey has been halted. They're gonna
Speaker 5: have to switch from Jesse Waters to Tap Waters. And
Speaker 5: of course they're gonna have to put down Sean Hannity.
Speaker 4: Let's move on. You gotta smell that. You smell what
Speaker 4: I'm smelling.
Speaker 5: That combination of Jim sweat and old spice and unearned
Speaker 5: confidence feels like there's a lot of alpha male energy
Speaker 5: going on politics right now. Everywhere you look in the news,
Speaker 5: there's an alpha male whipping his pecker out. Market is
Speaker 5: territory punching walls instead of crying. Real tough guys, guys
Speaker 5: like Ron. These boots are made for walking to Santis,
Speaker 5: who's it was down in Florida waging war on a
Speaker 5: cartoon mouse this morning.
Speaker 3: The ongoing feud between Florida Governor Ron De Santis and
Speaker 3: Disney is intensifying. DeSantis now floating the idea of the
Speaker 3: state developing land next to Disney World.
Speaker 7: Come to think of it, now, people are like, well,
Speaker 7: there's what should we do with this land? Maybe try
Speaker 7: to do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe
Speaker 7: you need another state prison.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 7: I mean, I just think that the possibilities are are endless.
Speaker 5: Okay, a state prison next to Disney World. Can you
Speaker 5: imagine what poor Walt Disney would say if he saw this.
Speaker 5: I mean, first, he'd have a lot to say about
Speaker 5: all the Jews and black people allowed in the park,
Speaker 5: But after he sorted all that out, he'd be very upset.
Speaker 5: This may sound like a petty move. I want to
Speaker 5: be dictator, but there is a prison next to Disney World,
Speaker 5: an inherently bad idea. I say no, as long as
Speaker 5: they lock up strictly those Disney adults were going to
Speaker 5: be totally fine.
Speaker 4: You know, I know you're.
Speaker 5: Trying to make adulthood feel like childhood, but guess what,
Speaker 5: there's nothing for you past thirty. But it wasn't the
Speaker 5: only Alpha male on the Alpha Palooza main stage yesterday.
Speaker 5: It was also Jim Jordan. The last month, a lot
Speaker 5: of Jordan fans here. That's about Jim Jordan's bro Donald
Speaker 5: Trump was indicted by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg for
Speaker 5: no reason besides committing crimes. But Jim Jordan wasn't gonna
Speaker 5: let that stand. That's why yesterday he went after Alvin
Speaker 5: Bragg in Bragg's own backyard right here in Manhattan.
Speaker 8: The House Judiciary Committee held a rare field hearing in
Speaker 8: New York build as an examination of crime in Manhattan.
Speaker 9: Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan rallied against Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.
Speaker 5: The policies being implemented by this district attorney are going
Speaker 5: to ruin this great city. You know, I'm surprised, one
Speaker 5: that he admits New York is a great city. Never
Speaker 5: thought i'd hear that, And two that he actually held
Speaker 5: a hearing on crime. I was pretty sure ignoring crimes
Speaker 5: was Jim Jordan's whole thing.
Speaker 4: Considering the murder rates.
Speaker 5: Collap for ignoring sexual abuse allegations, I appreciate it. Considering
Speaker 5: the murder rate is much higher in Columbus, Ohio, which
Speaker 5: is in Jim Jordan's neck of the woods. Maybe he
Speaker 5: should have been holding crime hearings there. But even people
Speaker 5: from Ohio don't want to spend time in Ohio. And
Speaker 5: I can say that because I'm from Michigan and Ohio
Speaker 5: is our New Jersey. But there's still an another guy
Speaker 5: out there who might be the most alpha male ever.
Speaker 5: He's summited at Everest. He's the real life inspiration for
Speaker 5: John Wick and the current featherweight champion.
Speaker 4: Of the world. George Santos.
Speaker 5: Now, he just started his first term in Congress and
Speaker 5: absolutely no one wants him to run again. His constituents
Speaker 5: are embarrassed by him. Republicans want him to go away.
Speaker 5: Even the Dali Lama said he wouldn't suck his tongue
Speaker 5: with a ten foot pain, which means there's only one
Speaker 5: thing a real alpha male would do.
Speaker 9: A metaled Republican and New York Congressman George Santos going
Speaker 9: back on his word that he wouldn't run for reelection. Instead,
Speaker 9: he launched his campaign for reelection on his one hundredth
Speaker 9: day in office.
Speaker 7: It's a beautiful day here in Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: It's a great day to be an American. It's a
Speaker 4: great day to be here a Republican, and it's a
Speaker 4: great date to a Now it's reelection.
Speaker 9: Santos is under local, state, federal, and internet national investigation.
Speaker 5: Say what you want about Santos, but it's uber alpha
Speaker 5: to run for reelection when you're as unpopular as he is.
Speaker 5: He's so unpopular his campaign had to refund more donation
Speaker 5: than it's taken in true, which means he's technically raised
Speaker 5: negative three thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: You gotta give it to George Santos.
Speaker 5: He's the only elected official who's effectively taken money out
Speaker 5: of politics. All right, So who is today's reigning alpha male?
Speaker 5: To help me decide, please welcome Desi Leidak.
Speaker 2: Desi Dessie.
Speaker 4: Which of these men do you think is the top Alpha?
Speaker 10: Well, not to out Alphay Jordan, but none of them.
Speaker 10: These are all a bunch of beta bitches. Ron DeSantis,
Speaker 10: he's losing a fight with the happiest place on Earth.
Speaker 10: I haven't seen Disney trumple a leader like this since
Speaker 10: Mufasa and Jim Jordan flew all the way to New
Speaker 10: York just to talk about how scared he is of
Speaker 10: New York. Relax, Jim, go see that Michael Jackson Broadway show.
Speaker 11: It also ignores abuse allegations. You love it.
Speaker 5: Hold on, Desie, hold on. There has to be an alpha.
Speaker 11: Oh, I've got an alpha for you.
Speaker 10: Today's top alpha male is my girl, Senator Dianne Feinstein.
Speaker 11: And I'll tell you.
Speaker 4: Why roll it.
Speaker 8: The California Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein hasn't cast a vote
Speaker 8: since February because she's still recovering from shingles. Her absence
Speaker 8: is holding up President Biden's judicial nominee. Some Democrats called
Speaker 8: for her resignation.
Speaker 11: She's eighty nine years old. She's been away from Capitol
Speaker 11: Hill for seven weeks.
Speaker 12: Senior Senator from California issued this statement, quote, I I
Speaker 12: mean committed to the job and will continue to work
Speaker 12: from home in San Francisco.
Speaker 10: Yeah, check out the truck nuts on die That right,
Speaker 10: there is an alpha.
Speaker 4: Okay, I don't get it.
Speaker 5: Diane Feinstein can't perform her duties on the Judiciary Committee
Speaker 5: and is refusing to resign.
Speaker 4: What is what is alpha about that? Well?
Speaker 10: Thinking that no one else could do your job as
Speaker 10: good as you, even though you're barely doing your job.
Speaker 11: That is pure alpha male. That's some logan roy shit.
Speaker 4: No spoilers, no spoilers.
Speaker 10: Okay, all right, but I'm giving you one more day
Speaker 10: and then I spoil it.
Speaker 5: Okay, fine, fine, Look, let's say this is a power
Speaker 5: move by Dianne Feinstein. But there is more to being
Speaker 5: an alpha male than just not giving up your job.
Speaker 11: No, no, no, no, Jordan Is. It's not a job, it's
Speaker 11: a seat.
Speaker 10: She is in California right now, holding down a seat
Speaker 10: in Washington, DC. This is the widest case of man
Speaker 10: spreading in human history.
Speaker 5: Okay, fair, fair, But man spreading doesn't make her alpha.
Speaker 4: It makes her a standard male.
Speaker 11: Oh well, she's not just man spreading her seat.
Speaker 10: She's also stopping twelve federal judges from taking their seats.
Speaker 10: It could rule in favor for women's rights, and preventing women.
Speaker 5: From having rights is classic alpha Now yes, now I
Speaker 5: see it, now, yes, I'm seeing it. Okay, I see it.
Speaker 10: Its hot dog Diane is ripping a page out of
Speaker 10: the Old Boy playbook, grinding it up and snorting it
Speaker 10: right off a hooker's ass.
Speaker 11: I salute you, Diane.
Speaker 5: We salute you, Alpha Diane deasyliik everyone, all right, we'll
Speaker 5: come back.
Speaker 4: We'll take a look at the haunt new way.
Speaker 5: Your kids can kill you, but I'll go away. Hello,
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Daily Show. With all the guns
Speaker 5: in America. You might think that everyone who wants a
Speaker 5: gun has a gun. So what is the gun industry
Speaker 5: doing to try to keep selling more product? I went
Speaker 5: to the world's largest gun show to find out, and
Speaker 5: another edition of Fingers the Pulse. America land of the
Speaker 5: free and home to an astronomical amount of mass shootings.
Speaker 5: So I went to the world's largest gun show in Tulsa,
Speaker 5: Oklahoma to investigate our unique obsession with guns. The bounty
Speaker 5: was plentiful, small guns, big guns, kamal eclipse katanas for
Speaker 5: some reason, and more Nazis wag than Harlan Crowe's guest
Speaker 5: pathrow eleven acres of guns.
Speaker 4: Seems weird to use acreage as a measurement of guns,
Speaker 4: but this is America, Berry, Why are you here today?
Speaker 3: America America.
Speaker 5: You're here because America dot dot dot Yes guns. I
Speaker 5: feel like that's an American haiku. Little ee Cummings over here,
Speaker 5: what are you looking forward to?
Speaker 4: Relaxation and be enabled?
Speaker 3: Look guns free?
Speaker 4: That's relaxing to you.
Speaker 5: It's sort of like your bond's eye tree is looking
Speaker 5: at an array of guns makes you zen.
Speaker 3: It might feel better.
Speaker 5: And this guy might as well have been at a
Speaker 5: meditation retreat because they were selling guns everywhere, including the
Speaker 5: parking lot. You're gonna hopefully sell that inside, so gena license?
Speaker 5: Can you just kind of go into the gun show and.
Speaker 11: You've tried to find some wants to buy it, or
Speaker 11: you find what you want.
Speaker 5: To buy it, and then if somebody is like, I'm interested,
Speaker 5: I'll buy it, then what.
Speaker 4: Do you do?
Speaker 9: First of all, you kind of like look them over?
Speaker 4: Is that what a background check? Is?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 4: Been Tulsa. I mean, this isn't where people are going
Speaker 4: to come to maliciously get guns. Mostly why not?
Speaker 5: I guess if I was like I need to get
Speaker 5: a gun quick to do bad shit, this is actually.
Speaker 4: Exactly where I would come.
Speaker 5: How much is that going for? What if I came
Speaker 5: up there and was like I don't know. I've had
Speaker 5: a little bit of a rough day. My wife just
Speaker 5: broke up with me. I'm a feeling a little on edge.
Speaker 5: How much for your gun?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I ain't gonna say it. Somebody looks stupid, you.
Speaker 7: Know, or it looks like he's like crazy as shit.
Speaker 5: You know what if I say the words of somebody
Speaker 5: who's crazy as shit, but I look composed like I
Speaker 5: do right now.
Speaker 11: I'd probably sell it to you.
Speaker 4: Well, this selection of.
Speaker 5: Firearms was diverse. These days, there's only one real star
Speaker 5: of the gun show.
Speaker 4: What are you hoping to say? A couple AR fifteen's,
Speaker 4: maybe some tactical ones.
Speaker 5: I just want to add to it, make it more taxical,
Speaker 5: and make it have some lasers or something.
Speaker 4: Why is the AR fifteen such a good gun?
Speaker 3: It's just cool.
Speaker 4: A lot of people use them for day to day
Speaker 4: there's a lot of day to day AR fifteen ship.
Speaker 5: I have AR style, but I use that for hog hunting,
Speaker 5: pog hunting pog.
Speaker 3: I got one set up for hog hunting.
Speaker 4: Squirrels, deer, wild hogs. You're killing wild hogs too. We
Speaker 4: have had him threaten us, but they've been threatened by pigs.
Speaker 4: My dad has. Why do you think the AR fifteen
Speaker 4: is seen as scary because it looks like a military weapon.
Speaker 5: Do you think it's scary because it kills a lot
Speaker 5: of children?
Speaker 1: The weapon self doesn't kill the children, it's the person
Speaker 1: wielding the weapon.
Speaker 4: Why do they tend to use that weapon in particular
Speaker 4: because in media it's it's portrayed that way.
Speaker 5: Well, no, but in schools it happens that way. Was
Speaker 5: I misunderstanding this? If AR fifteens aren't the real threat
Speaker 5: in America?
Speaker 4: What is? Look up bicycle accidents? Look up trampoline.
Speaker 5: Accidents, coyotes, bears, acid attacks, acid attacks?
Speaker 4: Are there mass asset attacks? I want say mass, but
Speaker 4: they do happen.
Speaker 1: I don't beieve there are more murders committed in this
Speaker 1: country every year with hammers, baseball bats, and other bluff
Speaker 1: Ford objects than any handgun, rifle, shotgun combined.
Speaker 4: Well, that's statistic, can't be correct.
Speaker 11: Automobile accidents, falls, poisoned, heavy books, two by boys, a
Speaker 11: statue sitting on your table.
Speaker 5: Right, it seems like, yeah, we should, we should, we
Speaker 5: should be looking at all murder weapons from the game
Speaker 5: of Clue and then get to the other lower level
Speaker 5: one play the AR fifteen. The more I talk to these,
Speaker 5: the more I wondered if all of this tactical shit
Speaker 5: has always been a part of gun culture.
Speaker 4: That's a new thing. That's new. That's a new thing.
Speaker 5: I went to Montana to talk to Ryan Bussy, who
Speaker 5: spent twenty five years in the gun industry but now
Speaker 5: advocates for a gun.
Speaker 12: Safety I'm deeply troubled by the firearms culture that's emerged
Speaker 12: in and around guns in our country now. It mirrors
Speaker 12: much of our political radicalization on transformation as a country.
Speaker 12: The industry itself, prior to about two thousand and five
Speaker 12: or two thousand and six, would not allow any kind
Speaker 12: of tactical gear, hardly any AR fifteens, no bulletproof vests,
Speaker 12: no helmets, and its own trade shows. It seemed like
Speaker 12: the industry understood that propagating that kind of thing would
Speaker 12: lead to very bad shit.
Speaker 5: We bring an AR fifteen to a gun show in
Speaker 5: two thousand and nine, and you're a weirdo, yeap, just.
Speaker 12: Two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine is
Speaker 12: when the weirdo stuff starts wearing off.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you're a weirdo.
Speaker 12: Then now it's commonplace now it's ubiquitous, but there's used
Speaker 12: to be weirdos to be weirdness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and AR.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of liberals think AR stands for
Speaker 5: a soult rifle, and the wrong it stands for are
Speaker 5: you looking at my small penis?
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 12: It stands for ARMELTT Rifle, which was the first company
Speaker 12: that developed.
Speaker 4: It, armor light rifle. Yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, Liberals see the AR fifteen and tend to think
Speaker 5: it's a weapon of war. And it feels like I
Speaker 5: go to a gun show and people say it's for hunting,
Speaker 5: it's for sports.
Speaker 4: Who's rights?
Speaker 12: You just all you have to do is look at
Speaker 12: the industry's own marketing. The industry sells it as an
Speaker 12: offensive weapon of war.
Speaker 4: They're turning to market towards kids, right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 12: You know guns have long been marketed to kids, target guns,
Speaker 12: trying to get kids involved in the shooting sports and
Speaker 12: in hunting. But what's different now is that's being marketed
Speaker 12: to kids through things like the JR fifteen, the Junior fifteen,
Speaker 12: not the AR fifteen. The Junior fifteen it's a shrunken
Speaker 12: down kids version of an AR fifteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a JR fifteen? Is that so little? Kids? Can
Speaker 4: stand up to government overreach.
Speaker 12: If you're worried about try grooming.
Speaker 11: Here's your child grooming.
Speaker 5: This is how gun manufacturers are reaching out to the public.
Speaker 3: Here you got the marketing for the JR.
Speaker 12: Fifteen to little kids.
Speaker 3: Check that out.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 5: So we have pacifiers and a skull tactical pascifire tactical pacifier.
Speaker 4: Cute. Yeah, my two and a half year old would
Speaker 4: be drawn to that.
Speaker 12: This as a magazine cover, you have the vicious skateboard
Speaker 12: attacker and the glorious father defending his terribly afflicted family.
Speaker 5: Was that one in case Tony Hawk goes crazy? Yeah, honey,
Speaker 5: you get the sword Tony Hawk's here.
Speaker 4: So this is Mike's tactical ad.
Speaker 12: It was a twenty eighteen huge ad at the Industry
Speaker 12: trade show. Guys in jeans, T shirts, backwards ball cap
Speaker 12: AR fifteen staring down the protesters. Here you have Kyle
Speaker 12: Rittenhouse jeans backwards ball cap T shirt AR fifteen shooting
Speaker 12: the protesters.
Speaker 4: This is two years apart, two years apart the marketing works.
Speaker 12: I don't know how if you can't draw a direct
Speaker 12: line between those two things, I can't help you.
Speaker 5: What are steps we can take to limit the number
Speaker 5: of mass shootings with weapons like the AAR fifteen.
Speaker 12: I think, like our politics, a lot of this is
Speaker 12: about voluntary social norms. Yes, legislation needs to be instituted
Speaker 12: to help reinforce some of these norms. But some of
Speaker 12: this is going to be on us.
Speaker 4: That's right, It is on us.
Speaker 5: So it shouldn't be too hard for all of us
Speaker 5: to come together and agree on what weapons should and
Speaker 5: should not be owned by the average civilian.
Speaker 4: Should should we be able to buy tanks? You bet you? Yeah,
Speaker 4: you bet you? If tanks are okay? Should we each
Speaker 4: be able to have apache helicopter? There should be a
Speaker 4: line of the things that are available. Well, maybe we
Speaker 4: shouldn't go around with nuclear bomb strapped. That's the line.
Speaker 4: But but you don't have to. But you don't have to.
Speaker 4: We had new pit about we were agreeing. Looks like
Speaker 4: we've still got some figuring out to do. I an
Speaker 4: aer a company, they too. Because when we come.
Speaker 5: Back, Tony Crocker will be joining me on the show.
Speaker 5: Do'll go.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Daily Show.
Speaker 5: My guest tonight is a critically a clay musician whose
Speaker 5: new album The Man from Waco Reducts will be out
Speaker 5: on May twenty six.
Speaker 4: Please welcome Charlie Crockett. Charlie Crooking, Welcome to the job.
Speaker 5: I've been a big fan for quite some time. You
Speaker 5: look great, by the way I feel, I feel like
Speaker 5: I dressed down. You got a cool ass. Hates it
Speaker 5: being a cool musician. Is it ever exhausting to have
Speaker 5: to always look impressive? Do you ever want to just
Speaker 5: Adam sand Looret and just go cargo shorts? Well, my
Speaker 5: girl probably wishes I did that more often.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: You are.
Speaker 4: You have an amazing story.
Speaker 5: I feel like your life is eleven country songs fit
Speaker 5: into one life right, and part of that story includes
Speaker 5: New York City. I know you came from Texas, spent
Speaker 5: some time in New Orleans, but sometime busking in New.
Speaker 4: York City subways? Is that correct? You've got it. I
Speaker 4: apologize if I ever ignored you.
Speaker 3: My bad.
Speaker 4: If I could go back in time, I'd fix that.
Speaker 5: But tell me what that going from that experience to
Speaker 5: what you do now on the road interacting with the audiences.
Speaker 4: What do you learn in a New York City subway?
Speaker 13: Well, I looked a little different back then, so I
Speaker 13: don't think you would have recognized me as the same man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was definitely younger.
Speaker 13: And actually the first time I ever played in the city,
Speaker 13: it is about fifteen years back.
Speaker 4: In Central Park.
Speaker 13: I had hitchhiked up here and I knew a guy
Speaker 13: from South Florida who these Brazilian guys actually that I
Speaker 13: grew up with a little bit in Texas, and one
Speaker 13: of them had moved to Florida and he had a
Speaker 13: buddy that was like up here working somewhere. He lived
Speaker 13: in Spanish Carlem and I hitchicked into town and they
Speaker 13: offered me a place, him and his lady. They offered
Speaker 13: me a place on their couch, and they gave me
Speaker 13: like a week. And so I just started wandering down
Speaker 13: around Manhattan and found myself in Central Park there. And
Speaker 13: I'll spare you all the drama and trials and tribulations
Speaker 13: of those fifteen years. But oh good, that's not good
Speaker 13: for TV. Yeah, and so, but back in September, the
Speaker 13: first bridge I ever played underneath in Central Park, I
Speaker 13: played about one hundred yards from it, just back this
Speaker 13: last September, opening up for Willie Nelson. So I felt
Speaker 13: pretty good.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a motif and a lot of
Speaker 5: your work about journey, and I think a lot of
Speaker 5: your songs are about getting from point A to point B.
Speaker 5: I think your life seems to have been sort of
Speaker 5: a journey around different parts in America. It's hard to
Speaker 5: even categorize some of your music. Would you call it
Speaker 5: folk Americana country?
Speaker 13: Well, you know, I definitely learned how to stand behind
Speaker 13: my guitar and playing on street corners, working farm parties,
Speaker 13: farm parties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't even know what those are. Yeah I do.
Speaker 4: I Yeah, it's a hodown.
Speaker 5: It's a holdown at a farm. Yeah, I guess I
Speaker 5: could have put it together. There's context clues there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 13: Well, I ended up doing a lot of I ended
Speaker 13: up doing a lot of physical labor, like in rural areas,
Speaker 13: especially in the Pacific Northwest. It's kind of where I
Speaker 13: learned a hitchhike was it was easier to get picked
Speaker 13: up on the highway. People are more likely, I guess,
Speaker 13: to make bad decisions and pick up hitchhikers out there.
Speaker 13: And the people that embraced me, to be really honest
Speaker 13: with you, it was back when you know, ganja was
Speaker 13: still completely illegal, and I found my way onto those
Speaker 13: kind of farms.
Speaker 4: You know, that's what they meant by big rock Candy Mountain.
Speaker 4: Is that what that was about. That's what they were
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 5: Oh, you're you're destroying all my country illusions. Next thing
Speaker 5: you're gonna tell me Willie Nelson is a pot smoke.
Speaker 4: Don't listen to Waylon Jennings. Okay, I won't get into whitland.
Speaker 5: A lot of your music, it almost feels like you're
Speaker 5: writing songs up against the clock.
Speaker 4: Is that fair to say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 13: You know, people ask me what my songs are about
Speaker 13: and usually tell them the same thing, you know, two or.
Speaker 4: Three minutes, but then you don't fill them in whatsoever. Yeah,
Speaker 4: God damn it.
Speaker 5: But these people who don't know how to make heart,
Speaker 5: they just comment, and I really need you fill in
Speaker 5: those holes. On this album, you reference a songwriting credit
Speaker 5: with another man who came to New York, slept on
Speaker 5: some couches, found his way in the folks scene back
Speaker 5: in the sixties. Robert Zimmerman ak Bob Dylan. How does
Speaker 5: Bob Dylan find his way on your album?
Speaker 13: Well know, I called Bob up and told him I
Speaker 13: wanted to finish his song, and uh he uh no,
Speaker 13: I never.
Speaker 4: I've never met him before, that guy not known for
Speaker 4: taking many phone calls. No, no, he definitely ain't picking
Speaker 4: up the phone to me.
Speaker 13: But uh, actually what had happened was is I was
Speaker 13: listening to these tapes of his They're called the Pacas
Speaker 13: Blues Tapes, and it was from he he scored an
Speaker 13: old Sam Peckinpah movie back in the early seventies called
Speaker 13: Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid, and he said it
Speaker 13: was I think it's the only movie you ever kind
Speaker 13: of scored start to finish. And actually you can listen
Speaker 13: into those audio tapes there. It's like a half of
Speaker 13: it was done in Durrango, Mexico and the rest maybe
Speaker 13: in La You can hear like after he's done with
Speaker 13: one of the songs, you're like, this is the last
Speaker 13: movie I ever worked on, you whatever? And uh and anyways,
Speaker 13: I was listening to those and I heard this song
Speaker 13: that was about Billy the Kid, Billy the Kid's life,
Speaker 13: you know. And uh, there's a highway in between Austin
Speaker 13: and northern New Mexico that I've hitchhiked down, walked down
Speaker 13: during my truck down, been on my bus, you know,
Speaker 13: driving up and down for many years where they supposedly
Speaker 13: bid the kid is buried, you know, and I think
Speaker 13: he was dead by the time he was twenty one
Speaker 13: or twenty two. You know, in america's always been really
Speaker 13: fascinated with him. And i'd heard that Bob, you know,
Speaker 13: was fascinated by him, and the story was just really
Speaker 13: speaking to me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 13: It's like, and I'd written, I'd come up with a
Speaker 13: verse to add to the song, which it's ridiculous to
Speaker 13: think you can add anything to Dylan's music, but this
Speaker 13: was a song that he didn't finish. It was like
Speaker 13: a verse and a half and he never finished it.
Speaker 13: And even on the record, they're like, what's this song
Speaker 13: going to be called? Bobby, He's like, oh, this, this
Speaker 13: one's a Tom Turkey Tom Turkey number two, you know,
Speaker 13: strange title, but like Tom Turkey's kind of like a
Speaker 13: straw man or like a mark man. I think in
Speaker 13: the Old West is kind of what that would be.
Speaker 13: And I just came up with this line because I
Speaker 13: was thinking about it. Was people around here like to
Speaker 13: talk about you, and I hope you liked the legend
Speaker 13: you've become. I heard it said in Truth or Consequences,
Speaker 13: you couldn't be a day past twenty one.
Speaker 4: And I liked that line, and I think I think
Speaker 4: Bob liked it.
Speaker 13: Too, because it's like you get you get enough into
Speaker 13: the public eye, you know, and you can start feeling
Speaker 13: like the kid, you know, even if you ain't never
Speaker 13: you know, held a gun in your life, you know.
Speaker 5: And I feel a lot like Bellieve the kid all
Speaker 5: the time. You know, I was afraid I would die
Speaker 5: early like Billy Get the kid. It was a smoker, right,
Speaker 5: Is that what got.
Speaker 4: Him in the end?
Speaker 5: My history, my history is smoking guns, smoking guns. This
Speaker 5: the song you're gonna perform for us today. It feels
Speaker 5: like it's somewhat of a I know, I won't ask
Speaker 5: you to have to go into it because you're not
Speaker 5: gonna get me a straight answer, So I appreciate that,
Speaker 5: but a little bit of a uh. It looks at fame,
Speaker 5: and I I do think in like I said before,
Speaker 5: I know, something of your music is about journeys, getting
Speaker 5: to getting to different places.
Speaker 4: And you've you've busted.
Speaker 5: I know, you've got record contracts, you've left record contracts,
Speaker 5: you've found.
Speaker 4: Your own way. How much of it for you is
Speaker 4: it about getting to some final place?
Speaker 5: Is there is there a success for you that will
Speaker 5: will let you to forgive me, to hit your horse
Speaker 5: and say, gitty up, we're in forgive me.
Speaker 4: I am not. You know, I'm going to backtrack. Though
Speaker 4: he's from Michigan, I'm from Michigan.
Speaker 5: Is there is there is a success a landing spot
Speaker 5: or is it?
Speaker 4: Is it a journey for you? I'm doing.
Speaker 13: I've been doing this rambling piece that they've been working
Speaker 13: on in a Texas magazine for months. And actually when
Speaker 13: we were up here in New York with Willy not
Speaker 13: too far back, this journalist was up here with me
Speaker 13: and they'd interviewed everybody ever dealt with in uh the
Speaker 13: business for the most part.
Speaker 4: And you know, my first record.
Speaker 13: Deal I was discovered on the R train here in
Speaker 13: Manhattan by a big by the big part of the machine,
Speaker 13: you know, and uh so.
Speaker 4: On a way not the subway. You're talking about the
Speaker 4: music machine. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, good, you know.
Speaker 13: The machine imalking about? I know, okay, the machine, yes,
Speaker 13: and the big dogs and so in a way, I
Speaker 13: guess I did beat the game. But you know, the
Speaker 13: deal that I dreamt of, Like you've heard many times before,
Speaker 13: it never is what you want it to be. And
Speaker 13: so anyway, they're doing this big piece on me now,
Speaker 13: and people know I've been doing a long time. I've got,
Speaker 13: you know, thirteen fourteen records. You know, I've made a
Speaker 13: habit of telling record executives to you know, kiss my behind. Actually,
Speaker 13: the last time I met up with one here in
Speaker 13: New York City, he asked me if i'd ever been
Speaker 13: here before.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm thirty nine years old.
Speaker 13: I've been here hundreds of times, played on the street
Speaker 13: here for five years, you know. But I felt like
Speaker 13: he didn't you know, I think he knew I've been here.
Speaker 13: You know, he's just messing with me. But this journalist
Speaker 13: was saying that. A couple of my old managers, they said,
Speaker 13: you know, they say, Charlie Man, they all said that
Speaker 13: you had a plan. They knew where you were going.
Speaker 13: You know, you knew you were going, You had this
Speaker 13: grand scheme. But I never, I never did.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 13: The reason that I started playing uh in public and
Speaker 13: on street corners in the first place was this was
Speaker 13: a career of last resort. Hard luck and circumstances put
Speaker 13: me on street corners. I wouldn't I wouldn't be in
Speaker 13: this business. If I'd had an easy way and so
Speaker 13: there was no grand scheme to beat the game. The
Speaker 13: only the only thing I ever wanted to do is
Speaker 13: keep was keep playing, You know, was was? You know,
Speaker 13: I'm not a cowboy. I'm a cowboy singer, and I
Speaker 13: just want to keep singing my cowboy songs and they
Speaker 13: might sound a little different than some of the old boys.
Speaker 4: And you're here with us today the night from Waco.
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