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Speaker 1: was Okley. He's Uncle oak to me, um, but Charles
Speaker 1: Oakley to you with y'all, norm the Enforcer. He also
Speaker 1: has a book UM released that released today actually uh
Speaker 1: titled The Last Enforcer, which is embodying who he is
Speaker 1: uh and not only who he was as a basketball player.
Speaker 1: Uncle Oka still in Enforcer, like that's never changing. But
Speaker 1: obviously you're talking raw, uncut stories about his time in
Speaker 1: the NBA, about things that happened on the court, off
Speaker 1: the court, and these are untold truth that you don't
Speaker 1: really get the opportunity to hear more often because most
Speaker 1: guys just aren't comfortable doing that. Most guys just aren't
Speaker 1: comfortable rough roughly any feathers, you know. But Uncle Oaks
Speaker 1: a little different, and you know he has a book out,
Speaker 1: The Last Enforcer. Make sure everybody check that out. We
Speaker 1: will be getting into the book and some of the
Speaker 1: things that that he's speaking of in the book on
Speaker 1: the interview. So I'm looking forward to that. But as
Speaker 1: you know, um, we like to go around the association
Speaker 1: a little bit, and then you know, we also like
Speaker 1: to go around other leagues as well, but just for starters. UM,
Speaker 1: I know news broke that I had signed a deal
Speaker 1: with T N T and I am a part of
Speaker 1: the TN team team And what does that mean and
Speaker 1: what does that look like for me? I know everybody's
Speaker 1: been wondering, um, just due to I'm still playing, I'm
Speaker 1: still playing at a high level, so what does that
Speaker 1: actually mean? I know some Warrior fans freaked out a
Speaker 1: little bit. Let me get this out there now. I
Speaker 1: am not about to retire. I still think I have
Speaker 1: a lot left to give in this body. I think
Speaker 1: I still have uh some more things that I want
Speaker 1: to accomplish, one of those being a championship, uh you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: one of those being another Defensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: All Star. I still got a bunch of things I
Speaker 1: want to accomplish as a basketball player. So I am
Speaker 1: not tiring from basketball. Let's get that out there right away,
Speaker 1: just to clear that up. But what the TNT deal
Speaker 1: is Number Number One, just being a part of your
Speaker 1: family most importantly. You know, you've seen me on there
Speaker 1: over the last over the course of the the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, starting with the Bubble, due to my team
Speaker 1: not being in the Bubble, had an opportunity to go
Speaker 1: on and sit up there with the guys and well
Speaker 1: number one, and it all started for me and going
Speaker 1: on the arena with the great host, Carrie Champion, who
Speaker 1: was incredible, who a lot like Ernie Johnson, just kind
Speaker 1: of walked me to things that I wanted and needed
Speaker 1: to say. She was incredible, And so that's kind of
Speaker 1: where it started for me. With T and T and
Speaker 1: then obviously with Charles Barkley and Dwayne Way to Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers legends. D Way, it's not a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer yet, but it's only a matter of time. We
Speaker 1: just need kind of like the Warriors Championships used to be,
Speaker 1: you just kind of need that date on the calendar
Speaker 1: to get there and then boom, it happened. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of the way. That's a Hall of Famers. So
Speaker 1: to Hall of Famers carry champion who will be a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame journalists, um or analysts or you know,
Speaker 1: whatever way you want to go with it. She's incredible.
Speaker 1: So having the opportunity to share the stage with those
Speaker 1: three and do the and we were doing the arena
Speaker 1: and obviously at that time, we were highlighting things that
Speaker 1: were going on in America, not only in America, around
Speaker 1: the world, and that was just kind of my first
Speaker 1: crack at it, and it's like, oh, man, like this
Speaker 1: is pretty fun. I enjoyed this. I like this, and
Speaker 1: then I you know, we did that throughout the weekend.
Speaker 1: Then I had an opportunity also to go on inside
Speaker 1: the NBA, and for me, that was incredible. No. Number One, Um,
Speaker 1: you we always hear about Studio J, you know, in
Speaker 1: Studio J all of these things, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: taken on the life of its own, which I think
Speaker 1: is incredible. So when I first arrived that at Turner Studios,
Speaker 1: and that may not be the correct name, but cut
Speaker 1: me a little slack there, um. But when I first
Speaker 1: arrived at the studio, the first thing I asked is
Speaker 1: we're Studio J. Like I want to see Studio J.
Speaker 1: Like this place is his story, like these it's emmies
Speaker 1: coming out of there, like it's greatness spewing out of there.
Speaker 1: I want to see Studio J. So they it's right
Speaker 1: in front soon as I walked in, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is incredible. And then obviously we didn't
Speaker 1: get Studio J stage. We we we went to another
Speaker 1: stage and I kind of had to work my way
Speaker 1: to Studio J, which was great. I'm all for putting
Speaker 1: the work in, but just having those opportunities to showcase
Speaker 1: who I am, what I stand for, how I speak,
Speaker 1: how I fit in. But most importantly for me was
Speaker 1: having that opportunity to learn. And you know the thing
Speaker 1: that there's just things that you don't realize as a player.
Speaker 1: You know, I've always heard like, you're a great interview.
Speaker 1: You're a great interview. You're gonna be good at TV
Speaker 1: because you're a great interview, and the reality is it
Speaker 1: does not necessarily mean that, because there's so many other
Speaker 1: things that goes into doing that job that you don't
Speaker 1: even realize. Um, you know, I want to speak and
Speaker 1: I think I spoke about this before, but the mistake
Speaker 1: I made when doing the arena, we were we were
Speaker 1: interviewing Massiah Jury from Toronto Raptors, and I completely butchered
Speaker 1: my question, and in part due to the the producer
Speaker 1: in my ear telling me, you got ten seconds left
Speaker 1: to get your question out. You know, you got ten
Speaker 1: seconds to get your question out because you have to
Speaker 1: give him enough time to talk. We have to get
Speaker 1: to the commercial break. And so he's telling me in
Speaker 1: my era, I got ten seconds. And now I'm trying
Speaker 1: to frame that question the right way with ten seconds,
Speaker 1: you know. And so I asked Massiah. I said, Um,
Speaker 1: they have put Black Lives Matter on their bus. And
Speaker 1: when they put Black Lives Matter on their bus, they're
Speaker 1: driving through the streets of Orlando with a Black Lives
Speaker 1: Matter bus, the team from Toronto. And now when all
Speaker 1: of this had happened, all of these things started to
Speaker 1: happen and wander reasons we actually did the arena that
Speaker 1: was prime George George Floyd just being murdered, God arrested soul.
Speaker 1: Uh still sending my thoughts and prayers to the family
Speaker 1: as just because it's been a year, year and a
Speaker 1: half whatever it's been, that pain don't go away, you know,
Speaker 1: So I still send my love to them. But I
Speaker 1: asked them because a real push for change came when
Speaker 1: we saw that, and that was like, you know, some
Speaker 1: people have been pushing for change for years, obviously us
Speaker 1: as an African American culture, but not just of the
Speaker 1: African American culture, but I've been pushing for change for years.
Speaker 1: And then once we saw that, that's when you just
Speaker 1: felt like so many people came on board and was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what they're talking about. There definitely needs to
Speaker 1: be changed, and so on and so forth. So I
Speaker 1: was what I was intending to ask him, was there's
Speaker 1: twenty nine other teams in the NBA, you being the
Speaker 1: one that's out of the country from an event that
Speaker 1: just really sparked, UH, this push for change that happened
Speaker 1: in America. None of these other twenty nine teams decided
Speaker 1: to put Black Lives Matter on their bus, but you did.
Speaker 1: The one team that is out of the country and
Speaker 1: was not in the country that really sparked that movement.
Speaker 1: And of course, people like you idiot, their black lives
Speaker 1: matter everywhere. That's that another I'm not saying black lives
Speaker 1: doesn't matter everywhere. I am specifically asking about this because
Speaker 1: there was one particular incident that happened in America that
Speaker 1: really sparked and push. It was sparked this push for change,
Speaker 1: and I caught a lot of flag for that, but
Speaker 1: it was the best thing to happen to me because
Speaker 1: it was an incredible learning experience and so that was
Speaker 1: kind of the beginning for me. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I've gone on to do other things with with with
Speaker 1: the T n T team, and it just felt like
Speaker 1: home for me. You know, it felt like the place
Speaker 1: that I wanted to be. It felt like a family,
Speaker 1: you know. One of the main reasons I went to
Speaker 1: Michigan State when it came down to my final three schools.
Speaker 1: It came out of Michigan State, Michigan in Indiana, and
Speaker 1: I was actually going to go to Michigan and they
Speaker 1: invited me up and all of that stuff, but it
Speaker 1: just didn't feel like a family to me, and Michigan
Speaker 1: State felt like a family, and that's why I chose
Speaker 1: to go to Michigan State Turner and the T n
Speaker 1: T team. It just feels like a family to me,
Speaker 1: Like everyone's family. I mean even you know you're talking
Speaker 1: other analysts, um, you know, everyone who's a part of
Speaker 1: our family reaching out to me. When I sounded like
Speaker 1: you're a part of the family, welcome. This is exciting
Speaker 1: and super dope. Like you just don't get that energy
Speaker 1: from everywhere. And I know how important that is to
Speaker 1: success everywhere I've gone to Golden State Warriors, like we
Speaker 1: all operate as family, Like we're all one, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all pushing for the same Oh, we take care
Speaker 1: of each other. That's important to success at least It's
Speaker 1: always been important to success for me in my life,
Speaker 1: and so I have a huge appreciation for that. And
Speaker 1: I'm extremely thankful for the Turner team, obviously starting at
Speaker 1: top with Jeff Zucker, h Lenny Craig, terror, They've been
Speaker 1: incredible to me and so it was a no brainer
Speaker 1: for me once they made the offer, Like absolutely, I'd
Speaker 1: love to be a part officially a part of the family.
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of that how will it work out?
Speaker 1: I'll do things when I can. Um, we're gonna win
Speaker 1: the championship this year, but say, for instance, in a
Speaker 1: year that we don't, we we don't win the finals,
Speaker 1: and you know there's an early exit because those do happen.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll go to work and how possibly be
Speaker 1: on your TV screen and sharing some of my thoughts
Speaker 1: on the games. Uh, you know, some things that I
Speaker 1: think a team could do better, you know, all of
Speaker 1: those things. So that's kind of how it works. It's
Speaker 1: not like I'm going to be flying from San Francisco
Speaker 1: to Atlanta with one day off in between games to
Speaker 1: go to studio, like no, but there would definitely be
Speaker 1: a bunch of time that I'll have and I can
Speaker 1: go on and you know, pretty much fulfilled my duties,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm looking forward to. I absolutely love
Speaker 1: doing it, so it's a no brainer for me. I
Speaker 1: am extremely excited about Andrew Wiggins being being named an
Speaker 1: All Star starter. Like you're talking a guy who was
Speaker 1: written off traded. He actually got traded as the number
Speaker 1: one pick before he ever played a game. He got
Speaker 1: traded in Summer League, which is very unusual. So his
Speaker 1: career started off rocky like his career started off like
Speaker 1: going through something that I've never been traded, Like, I've
Speaker 1: never been through that. So I am ten years in
Speaker 1: and he starts his career off ten days and with that,
Speaker 1: so that's all already an adjustment. He goes to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: which at that time wasn't a very good organization. UM
Speaker 1: had been losing, and you know, it's it's obviously they've
Speaker 1: improved now and new ownership group and all those things,
Speaker 1: but at that time wasn't a good organization. And then
Speaker 1: he's left to figure things out on his own. And
Speaker 1: you know, he played well, you know, but not to
Speaker 1: the level of the number one picking what most people
Speaker 1: want to see. And so then he obviously gets traded
Speaker 1: to the Warriors, and it was kind of just like
Speaker 1: they didn't want them, like they just gave him away.
Speaker 1: The moment he got here, I'm like, oh man, this guy.
Speaker 1: He competes, he defends like, he does things that I
Speaker 1: did not expect from him. And it was at that time, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, like we really have something serious here.
Speaker 1: And now now it's about teaching him how to play
Speaker 1: winning backsketball because he hadn't done that for six years
Speaker 1: or whatever. Whatever that time was. It's about instilling that
Speaker 1: confidence back in him, because somewhere along the way that's
Speaker 1: been snatched away. But if you can do those two things,
Speaker 1: this guy is number one, super talented, Number two, he
Speaker 1: can really help us win. And so that was the task.
Speaker 1: Now you don't complete that task without him wanting to
Speaker 1: do those things. And him wanted to be that and
Speaker 1: so he put the work in with his trainer, Chris Johnson,
Speaker 1: with the coaching staff here, he's put that work in.
Speaker 1: And you just as a as a teammate, you try
Speaker 1: to assist and help where you can, most importantly being
Speaker 1: with your play on the court. And so we're having
Speaker 1: a good year. Um, he's having an incredible year. But
Speaker 1: I want to point out one thing. What what it
Speaker 1: What it shows? I'm I'm not sure Wiggins is averaging
Speaker 1: more points this year than he's averaging the other year,
Speaker 1: especially since maybe his second or third year in the league.
Speaker 1: But what it shows you and for young kids out there,
Speaker 1: how important winning is. Like, winning is extremely important, and
Speaker 1: when you win, you get your your view differently, you
Speaker 1: get different recognition, you know, And so now here we
Speaker 1: have it. Andrew Wiggins is an All Star starter well deserved.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier for him. It's funny because the
Speaker 1: day All Star starters were announced, I had gave him
Speaker 1: like this little speech earlier that day, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: the starters come out today, I think you will be
Speaker 1: announced as a starter, but if not, you will be
Speaker 1: an All Star. So don't and that wait until that
Speaker 1: following Thursday is long and it's tedious and you wanted
Speaker 1: to happen. But no matter what, if you're not named
Speaker 1: the All Star Starter tonight, you're gonna be an All Star.
Speaker 1: Rest Asshore. I appreciate your work that you've done, but
Speaker 1: continue to get it, you know, continue to grind, continue
Speaker 1: to do what you're doing for the team, But just
Speaker 1: know that wait that week long wait, it's long and
Speaker 1: it's it goes by every slow and we were just
Speaker 1: joking and laughing about it. But it's incredible to see
Speaker 1: him then and also our starting I'll tell you a
Speaker 1: funny story, steph. Also it's named and Allstar Starter hits
Speaker 1: the fact I just didn't say congratulations and stuff of
Speaker 1: being All Star starter too, and I did that purposely,
Speaker 1: But I didn't do that purposely in our team group
Speaker 1: chat the moment they announced Wiggins and and allsto our starter.
Speaker 1: I hit the group chat like, Wiggs, congratulations, man, that's incredible,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Other guys came in, Wiggs, that's dope. Congratulations.
Speaker 1: Stuff's in this group chat, it's our team group chat.
Speaker 1: And Andre comes in, you know, the elder statesman. Andre
Speaker 1: comes in, and he says a Steff, congratulations. Don't let
Speaker 1: these ms act like this. Uh that that what you're
Speaker 1: doing not elite, That ship is elite, congratulations stuff. And
Speaker 1: I go back to the chat. I'm like, wow, my
Speaker 1: far thirty, I truly apologize out to congratulations. It's it's
Speaker 1: funny because Steph had already started Ways congrats. That didn't
Speaker 1: think anything of it, Like he made nothing of it.
Speaker 1: Is we're all excited for Ways. It's not that we're
Speaker 1: not excited for Steff. We are just more accustomed to
Speaker 1: Steph making being an all star starter, and we knew
Speaker 1: it was happening, and so I felt extremely bad about it.
Speaker 1: I spent like the the rest of that day apologizing
Speaker 1: through text, and then I went to the gym the
Speaker 1: next day I saw him. I apologized again because I
Speaker 1: ran into Tyres and and Sholo Shyla Buff at a
Speaker 1: party for Grammys Grammy Vanity Fair party and my wife
Speaker 1: and I we were sitting there, we were talking to
Speaker 1: Tyrese Um. She's in the acting business, and so it's
Speaker 1: always good to make those different connections. And Shola Buff
Speaker 1: came up and he's like, what's up, man, And he
Speaker 1: congratulated Tyrese on maybe his recent movie or the movie
Speaker 1: had gotten yeah, like maybe it's and Tires was like,
Speaker 1: thank you, Why you didn't call me and tell me that?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I don't know, Like I don't know
Speaker 1: why I didn't call you and tell you that. And
Speaker 1: and Tyrese's point that he made was, you know, we
Speaker 1: we all get so caught up in what we're doing.
Speaker 1: We get so caught up in the successes that people
Speaker 1: has had, and and getting caught up in those successes
Speaker 1: and seeing people have constant success, we forget to congratulate
Speaker 1: them on the successes that they are currently having. And
Speaker 1: the reality is it's wrong because that congratulations maybe what
Speaker 1: pushes that guy that wants to have success or lady
Speaker 1: or woman or female to want to chase that success
Speaker 1: again and and also to feel appreciated because sometimes we
Speaker 1: all need to feel appreciate it. And when he made
Speaker 1: that point, it really stuck with me. I was like wow,
Speaker 1: and so like even today today, like I'll still text
Speaker 1: Drink like when all ten of his songs hit the
Speaker 1: billboard or nine out of ten, like, YO, congratulations, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: Like because I'm sure most people or I still text
Speaker 1: Brian when Brian dues like YO, congrats, because most people
Speaker 1: you you just you, you almost become numb to the winds.
Speaker 1: And it's so unfair because winning, it's hard to continue winning,
Speaker 1: it's even tougher, and so it's so unfair to them.
Speaker 1: And so I wanted to share that story about stuff.
Speaker 1: But also and and everybody who's listening, when you have
Speaker 1: people doing great things, congratulate them. It means a lot.
Speaker 1: Regardless of how much success they've had, it means a lot.
Speaker 1: It goes a long way. I too, am a corporate
Speaker 1: of of that and not doing it as much as
Speaker 1: it should be done. But I try to make sure
Speaker 1: I do that. So make sure you're doing it. And
Speaker 1: speaking of All Star Weekend, we got my boy, wyant
Speaker 1: Wan Test, Kotell Anderson and the Dunk Contest and it's
Speaker 1: funny because a couple of days ago he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: shout do the dunk contest. I said, you you they'll
Speaker 1: they'll let you do it. He's like, yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do it. I said, you'd be
Speaker 1: a fool not to do it, because the stage doesn't
Speaker 1: get bigger than that. You know, the only way the
Speaker 1: stage gets bigger than that is the NBA Finals, And
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee you'll ever play in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: Why not, everybody's watching All Star Weekend. Everybody's watching you.
Speaker 1: Even if you go bombing, like I remember seeing some
Speaker 1: guys bomb the dunk contest, no one speaks on it.
Speaker 1: No one cares, you know why, because no one ever
Speaker 1: talks about the person who loses. They're only gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the person who win, and they're dunks. Maybe you win,
Speaker 1: you know, you you need to come up with three
Speaker 1: or four great dunks. Maybe a guy misses a dunk,
Speaker 1: and it don't even take an hard dunk to winning,
Speaker 1: you know, like you just don't know, So why not
Speaker 1: put yourself on that stage. On the flip side, we
Speaker 1: have Andrew Wiggins who jumps out of the gym that
Speaker 1: won't do it. And I talked to him about it
Speaker 1: and kind of throw shade at him. And you know,
Speaker 1: Wiggs is a young old man, like, oh, no, I
Speaker 1: trade my body ain't right for this. Like, no, I can't.
Speaker 1: I should have been did it. Though you're right, I
Speaker 1: should have been did it, But my body not right
Speaker 1: for that. Man. I'm like, Wiggs, come on, man, like
Speaker 1: I just watched you put your head above the top
Speaker 1: of the square. Brother, like a few weeks ago, Come on,
Speaker 1: man getting the dunk contest, but no chance weeks is
Speaker 1: doing it. Gary Payton a second, I talked to GP, like, GP,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do the dunk contest? Oh? Man, you
Speaker 1: know I just got the bounce in my regular dunks.
Speaker 1: G P. If you if you dunk, or if you
Speaker 1: do something with Senior, that's a forty or fifty or
Speaker 1: fifty whatever it is. So there's one fifty right there.
Speaker 1: If you just if Senior tossed you alive off the
Speaker 1: glass of something, that's a fifty right there. Maybe you'll
Speaker 1: do something with Steph Curry, who's going to be there,
Speaker 1: that's a fifty right there. Now you need to come
Speaker 1: up with two more dunks that gets you good scores
Speaker 1: do a g P. Of course GP want to do it.
Speaker 1: And then I text Commingo, like, Yo, you're a rookie,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you do the dunk contest? Again? Talking to
Speaker 1: him about the stage, He's like, man, I don't do
Speaker 1: fancy dunks. I just I can jump high, but I
Speaker 1: don't really got all the fancy dunks. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: do the dunk contest. You can get a dunk coach
Speaker 1: to walk you through some dunks you can do, and
Speaker 1: you don't even know you can do them, Like, do
Speaker 1: the dunk contest. He didn't want to do it. So
Speaker 1: I hope these did those three guys listen to this
Speaker 1: this this episode, because I am piste off that they
Speaker 1: didn't put themselves in that dunk contest. We could have
Speaker 1: had four dubs in there. But nonetheless, man, good luck
Speaker 1: to want. I hope he he can bring it home.
Speaker 1: I am extremely proud of him of even putting himself
Speaker 1: in that position. You know, that's that's just you, Like,
Speaker 1: there's no one else going out there to do that
Speaker 1: with you. You're on the stage all by yourself. But
Speaker 1: he's earned that. He got it out the months straight
Speaker 1: from street in Oakland, like, um, you know, he just
Speaker 1: put the work into be in this position. I'm happy
Speaker 1: he's doing it. And I would be remissed if we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about Joe Burrow and Matthew Stafford in the Rams,
Speaker 1: or Joe Burrow in the Bengals and Matthew Stafford in
Speaker 1: the Rams in the Super Bowl in l A number one.
Speaker 1: I think it's insane that it never happened, and then
Speaker 1: two years in a row we got the home team
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. Absolutely mind blowing. But it's incredible. See,
Speaker 1: it's great for the city of Los Angeles, it's great
Speaker 1: for the Cranky family, is great for the Rams organization
Speaker 1: as a whole. So I'm looking forward to seeing it,
Speaker 1: also looking forward to being there. And but how about
Speaker 1: how about Joe Burrow And like, like, Joey Burrow is
Speaker 1: just unfazed by everything, Like he's going out there, he's
Speaker 1: playing as if he's a tenure vet and just like
Speaker 1: going out there in the face and leading his guys, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you watched that first half. He had no
Speaker 1: time to make decisions, but he made enough decisions and
Speaker 1: created enough plays with his legs and extended enough places
Speaker 1: with his legs to where they were only down twenty
Speaker 1: one and ten a halftime, and if you follow football,
Speaker 1: they were also down eleven points in week seventeen when
Speaker 1: they played against the Chiefs, and it was kind of
Speaker 1: like deja vu all over again. But kudos to him
Speaker 1: and how he stayed the course and how he continued
Speaker 1: to lead these guys. And Jamaar Chases a generational talent
Speaker 1: like Joey Burrow is great and he's incredible, but I
Speaker 1: do understand you are only as great as the guys
Speaker 1: next to you allow you to be um and Jamaar Chase.
Speaker 1: What he's doing to opposing defenses, that's opening up everything
Speaker 1: else and then sure enough he comes open after a while.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Like that guy there, he's already in the
Speaker 1: conversation for the best ride receiver in the NFL and
Speaker 1: he's in year one. So what they got going there
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, I think is incredible. Uh. He was shout
Speaker 1: out to Matthew Stafford. Obviously, I'm from the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1: I am a Pittsburgh Steller fan, but I do like
Speaker 1: to see the Detroit Lions win, and that rarely happens.
Speaker 1: And so Matthew Stafford has caught a lot of heat
Speaker 1: over the years of just being a stat guy. Well,
Speaker 1: the first year he leaves the line, he don't go
Speaker 1: to the Rams. All of a sudden he's in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and he's shown what he's capable of and
Speaker 1: and how good of a player he is. So I'm
Speaker 1: very happy for Stafford. I'm looking forward to this game.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a great game. I do
Speaker 1: have the Rams winning. I think the Rams will take
Speaker 1: it at home for the second year in a row,
Speaker 1: the home team taking the Super Bowl. I personally, uh,
Speaker 1: the Rams defense is incredible. Like you you're talking Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey at the corner. You got Aaron Donald and Von
Speaker 1: miller on on the defensive line, control and everything, like
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard against that defense. But not
Speaker 1: only is their defensive credible, but they actually had the
Speaker 1: offense to match. Shout out to oh b J. The
Speaker 1: game he had. I think he had nine receptions for
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirteen yards or something. Everybody wrote him
Speaker 1: off and I was happy he went to l A.
Speaker 1: And the reason I was happy he went to l A.
Speaker 1: I personally just think a guy like that needs to
Speaker 1: be in a big city like he thrived in New York.
Speaker 1: He thrives in those settings, you know, he like maybe
Speaker 1: that's what motivates him, Like, maybe that's what pushes him.
Speaker 1: And to see him go from New York and thrive
Speaker 1: to Cleveland. We all know my relationship with Cleveland, so
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even need to go further
Speaker 1: into that, especially with Uncle O being for Cleveland. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna lead that alone today, um and struggle and then
Speaker 1: to l A does not miss a beat, right back
Speaker 1: looking like the Odell we saw in New York. Some
Speaker 1: guys need those bright lights. Maybe the lights weren't bright
Speaker 1: enough for him in Cleveland, and that is okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Everybody wanna down that man and talk about it. He
Speaker 1: thrives when the lights are on. And I'd much rather
Speaker 1: have a guy who thrives when the lights are on
Speaker 1: than a guy who thrives when they're off. He thrives
Speaker 1: when the lights are on, So pick up so Odell man.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to see him back playing at the level
Speaker 1: that he's playing that it's incredible. See and like I said,
Speaker 1: as you know, I was gonna leave the city of
Speaker 1: Cleveland on because we're bringing them the last enforcer. Uncle oh,
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley. Man, I am excited to welcome this next guest. Uh,
Speaker 1: not because of what he was as a basketball player,
Speaker 1: but more so what he means to me personally. Uncle oh,
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley, the enforcer of the NBA. We all throw
Speaker 1: this enforced around. We try to throw that tag on me,
Speaker 1: we throw that tag on other guys. The reality is
Speaker 1: this is the ultimate enforce and this who started that?
Speaker 1: This who made that what it is? Uncle Oh, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show, my brother, Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about the other day. We couldn't do it,
Speaker 1: but hey, it's a better day. The book come out.
Speaker 1: The book came out the day, So about to talk
Speaker 1: about absolutely number one, congratulations on the book. That's such
Speaker 1: an incredible thing. It's one thing that I've always I've
Speaker 1: always said I want to do at some point, but
Speaker 1: it takes a lot. And so can you talk to
Speaker 1: me about that process and how how you got into
Speaker 1: one to actually do the book, and then what was
Speaker 1: your process going through and actually complete it? Um, you
Speaker 1: know this, you know since I got the lead. You
Speaker 1: know you can go through ups and down to find
Speaker 1: what you want to do. I did a lot of
Speaker 1: different things, and I always said I want to do
Speaker 1: a book, and that was about ten years ago. And then, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the pandemic and this and that. We we
Speaker 1: got it in right in the middle of in some
Speaker 1: kind of way. But I just want to show people
Speaker 1: something about me, uh, my ears and out eight ten
Speaker 1: years in the court um stuff I've done to help people, Um,
Speaker 1: just family, growing up. I wanna get people real inside
Speaker 1: about me. It's been a lot of people talking about
Speaker 1: stirs and then the book is full of stirs and
Speaker 1: you're gonna go crazy when you start reading the book
Speaker 1: if you haven't read the book yet, just a lot
Speaker 1: about me. It's like me and you talked before. You
Speaker 1: can see this in the book. Uh. Frank Gazzolo, you
Speaker 1: know he wrote the book, did a great job. And
Speaker 1: you know he was a beat writer when I played,
Speaker 1: so he really had inside scoop. So it was great,
Speaker 1: come o' like two guys, two males singers come together
Speaker 1: and making a song beside this book is absolutely and
Speaker 1: um and getting and getting deeper off into the book
Speaker 1: because I have checked out some some of the things
Speaker 1: coming out. And for those of you that don't know
Speaker 1: Uncle oak to me, Charles Oakley to you, it's recently
Speaker 1: just dropped. The book The Last Enforcer, all right, actually
Speaker 1: came out today, So make sure y'all get that. However
Speaker 1: you get your books, whether that's on Amazon, whether that's
Speaker 1: uh you're listening to the audio books. However it is
Speaker 1: that you get your books, make sure you go out
Speaker 1: and buy that. We need that on the New York
Speaker 1: Times bestseller list, so let's make sure we get that there.
Speaker 1: But um, and going deeper into the book, I think
Speaker 1: what I love most and why I'm excited to really
Speaker 1: get all the way through it is, Uh, you talked
Speaker 1: about what I love most. You talked about slapping the
Speaker 1: hell out of some guys, So you know, talk to
Speaker 1: me about that. And in this in this book, like
Speaker 1: you said, you know you have read you have running
Speaker 1: in on the Court off the Court, I kept consistent, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did slap some guys, and uh, this book you
Speaker 1: know the details. Uh. You know back in the early
Speaker 1: eighties when you came in the league, you know, people
Speaker 1: they were trying to test you. So I had the
Speaker 1: man up let them know, you can't pass my test
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna let you know. But uh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: hadn't run is and uh, some people then they got
Speaker 1: they got snacked around a little bit. And in this
Speaker 1: book you talk about Tyron hill On and your twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and what did you do and when he
Speaker 1: a drew twenty tho dollars on quote, so um, basically,
Speaker 1: you know, we was in Atlanta one week one summer,
Speaker 1: and you know he, I know he played for Cleveland.
Speaker 1: You know he went to school and on how and
Speaker 1: you know, just I know this guy he playing the
Speaker 1: league and he wasn't going so far. He was doing
Speaker 1: something and I was in the same place. He was, like,
Speaker 1: he said, lifting the money. I lend the money. And
Speaker 1: one thing ain't led to another one. He said when
Speaker 1: the Seaton started, when he see me here, give it
Speaker 1: to me. He didn't. He was training camp season and
Speaker 1: when it went always a whole year into the next playoffs.
Speaker 1: And then people start wondering. In the middle of that
Speaker 1: story was we went to Philly and you know, shoot
Speaker 1: around and then you come back for the game on
Speaker 1: five thirty, quarter to five. So I got to my
Speaker 1: locker in Philly and somebody had seen some flowers and
Speaker 1: I looked at the flowers and they said the child's
Speaker 1: uncles up. So I told my name off it and
Speaker 1: put from child's oak to ty around hill. So the
Speaker 1: ball I get. The ball boy hunted out to put
Speaker 1: in his locker. So he put in his locker. I said,
Speaker 1: give me here re Actually, once he come in the
Speaker 1: locker room. So the ball boy was standing that when
Speaker 1: he came in locking room, he said. He walked in
Speaker 1: and locker room to the corner. He started smiling because
Speaker 1: he sees the flower in his blocker, right, he said.
Speaker 1: When he started, we even know it. He charles. He
Speaker 1: started coughing and told him he had you know, he
Speaker 1: wasn n the weather. He went back home. What yes,
Speaker 1: they said, you go to Philly, asked the head of
Speaker 1: the trainer light skinning out the curl. Heil forgot his name,
Speaker 1: but he's still there, that's what's so he didn't play
Speaker 1: that night. No, he didn't. He plays. There was the
Speaker 1: last for us running guys off the court. Literally, I
Speaker 1: ain't no, but obviously, um, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: start off with that just because I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, you can't slap the hell out of
Speaker 1: a guy nowadays, and NBA you can yeah give you
Speaker 1: two or three games back then. I mean they did
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, but like to the rules and
Speaker 1: change and you try to play clean. I mean it ain't.
Speaker 1: I don't think too many guys really gonna go there. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, like a fight, you know who you fighting,
Speaker 1: know who you're fighting again. So when I get to
Speaker 1: that now, it won't be in the court to be
Speaker 1: somewhere another place. So yeah, it's it's a different space now.
Speaker 1: Like you said, guys though they list, it's no you know,
Speaker 1: nobody gonna get into on the cool. You know they
Speaker 1: might come in their face and walk away. That's about it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: What what what do you think about the league today?
Speaker 1: Because I know a lot of guys get mad when
Speaker 1: guys like yourself, the guys who came before, I say
Speaker 1: the league is saw and the reality is well. I
Speaker 1: would love to hear you up because I know I
Speaker 1: have my opinion on the soft and I don't quite
Speaker 1: get mad when that's said, but a lot of guys do.
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you make of that
Speaker 1: the league? I said a different times, they don't play
Speaker 1: the same. It's not a lot of body own body. Um,
Speaker 1: I think that you gotta play. What's going on? You
Speaker 1: know the music, change, NFL and change. Oh, everything changes.
Speaker 1: It's twenty years later and everything's gonna keep on changing.
Speaker 1: You know, it might come back to two big guys
Speaker 1: in the post. You go to the post in and out.
Speaker 1: But right now it's a three point shooting game. It's
Speaker 1: a transition game. So I think the guys should be
Speaker 1: to play long because it's not that much contact. But
Speaker 1: I think that you gotta take care of your body.
Speaker 1: No matter when you play, what are you still have
Speaker 1: to take care of your body. I think it's Hey,
Speaker 1: it's a young guys time. You know that I'm playing.
Speaker 1: I mean people still coming to watch, people still you know,
Speaker 1: the namas going up, so somebody watching absolutely, you know.
Speaker 1: I think one interesting thing um for me And when
Speaker 1: I look at you know, like we talked about the
Speaker 1: last enforcer but enforcers, and I think my two top
Speaker 1: enforcers ever happened to come from the same school, and
Speaker 1: that's you and Ben Wallace, who's also you know, like
Speaker 1: big brother to me, kind of took me under his
Speaker 1: wing and coming up coming up in Michigan. Uh, what
Speaker 1: was you and being relationship like? Because I know he
Speaker 1: came after you, But did y'all have a relationship coming
Speaker 1: out with him coming through Virginia Union and you're going
Speaker 1: through Virginia Union as well. Um number one, Uh, I'm
Speaker 1: the one had a camp in Alabama and my sister
Speaker 1: asked me to have a camp, and and Being came
Speaker 1: to my camp. You know, he was like thirty miles
Speaker 1: away and the camp was on the twenty five and
Speaker 1: you know down south it's a lot of people, low
Speaker 1: income families. And I was then the first year I
Speaker 1: was talking most it was like a hundred kids, maybe
Speaker 1: only about forty kids could pay. So after that I
Speaker 1: cut out. I just made it free for the rest
Speaker 1: of the time. So Being and came and Um, he
Speaker 1: said he was going you know, he was senior. You know,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to Arbor and uh L s U
Speaker 1: some some type of way he end up going to.
Speaker 1: We took him to try See in Cleveland Community College
Speaker 1: h for a year. My friend Jeff one, he was
Speaker 1: my assistant with my camp because he came down with
Speaker 1: Cleveland with me because he had family Alabama too. But
Speaker 1: he came to try Sea for a year and after
Speaker 1: that he went to Virginia Union. Um, Um, Jeff, you know,
Speaker 1: Jeff of the culture, try to see. And I told
Speaker 1: Jeff I would take care of if you let get
Speaker 1: him up there. So he took Ben try to see
Speaker 1: and he went for a whole year. He just to
Speaker 1: go to my mother's house. I just getting closed that
Speaker 1: he went to Virginia in the same thing. But when
Speaker 1: he got the Union, he found itself and you know
Speaker 1: he was undersized. He didn't get drafted with a free agent. Um,
Speaker 1: he just kept working. That's one thing about you know
Speaker 1: people in the South, they worked hard and they don't
Speaker 1: let nothing to get in their way. They see you know,
Speaker 1: I guess he's seen that he I can get a
Speaker 1: chance to go over seas. And then when it was easy,
Speaker 1: came back to Boston. Didn't even Washington the next thing,
Speaker 1: going Lando, end up in Detroit and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he put a lot of work in and just got
Speaker 1: put in the Hall of Fame. Uh did great for himself. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And we're kind of we're kind of working backwards here.
Speaker 1: Obviously in your life and obviously starting with the book
Speaker 1: and you know, talking through college, but I also want
Speaker 1: to get into some of your playing career, um and
Speaker 1: obviously that was being drafted the ninth overall pick about
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls, which means you then crossover with a
Speaker 1: very young Michael Jordan. What was your first impressions of
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's at that time when you first saw him.
Speaker 1: Obviously we know what he became with. What was those
Speaker 1: your thoughts then, you know, you know, coming from a
Speaker 1: history of black college and getting drafted in top ten,
Speaker 1: like you said, um my eye was just hey, come in, work, work, work, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and then I got a chance to me him.
Speaker 1: We just playing pick up and it was the August,
Speaker 1: right before training camp. You know, guys come in early whatever,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he was always about business, and
Speaker 1: you know I was like, said, they are doing my
Speaker 1: craft and working on my game and showing them I
Speaker 1: wanted to be there. And some type of training camp start.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna get closing closer, and they saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, we started just hanging, hanging. He took me
Speaker 1: the All Star in a Dallas and took me on
Speaker 1: his wings and we've been tight ever since. And you
Speaker 1: look at the book, you know he did it forward,
Speaker 1: you know, so hey, it's still we're still jiggling absolutely,
Speaker 1: which is incredible, and not many people can say they
Speaker 1: could get a forward from Michael Jordan. Man, that's insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's That's like when a Grammy and me win
Speaker 1: an award, Emmy or something. So it's good to have
Speaker 1: a friend like that. And I know you got a
Speaker 1: lot of them. I know when you do write your
Speaker 1: book you can have a great person do the forward.
Speaker 1: I already know you're in good space with a lot
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I said,
Speaker 1: we're working backwards, and I skipped over something I actually
Speaker 1: wanted to ask about. And the reason I want to
Speaker 1: ask this, I was actually very outspoken about one person
Speaker 1: in particular, um, and that was James Dolan. When the
Speaker 1: situation with you happen in New York at the next game,
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate you. Number one. I think there there's
Speaker 1: a way legends should be treated, and not only legends
Speaker 1: people should be treated. People should be treated, but when
Speaker 1: you are a legend, um, let's let's not fake it here.
Speaker 1: You know, there are different levels two things in this world,
Speaker 1: and there are totem poles and hierarchies, and that's just
Speaker 1: the way life is. Certain things should not happen. And
Speaker 1: obviously we all know what happened. But has that been righted?
Speaker 1: And obviously it can like you can never take the
Speaker 1: situation back, like you can never change it. But do
Speaker 1: you feel like that situation has been righted by you?
Speaker 1: I I want to thank you for it up. And
Speaker 1: I know you know you do a lot for a
Speaker 1: lot of people. But when you did that lebron wave,
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys, you know, guys who know
Speaker 1: one another, who know what what should be right, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all stood up for me. I really appreciate that. But
Speaker 1: and um, in the light to that, it's still uh
Speaker 1: sacod situation because we haven't came to a conclusion. Um,
Speaker 1: it's still in the corner. Law. Um, this man, you know,
Speaker 1: it's bad what he did in front of that many
Speaker 1: people and didn't care it was a hit in front
Speaker 1: of you know, money, money was involved. He feels like
Speaker 1: he got bigger and the dollar can do what he wants.
Speaker 1: But it's just sad to see someone doing something like
Speaker 1: that in this day and time and we're going through
Speaker 1: so much and it's just ain't right. And uh, We're
Speaker 1: gonna see it. He's gonna play out. It's gonna come
Speaker 1: out right because, like I said, I didn't do nothing wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, because if I did, I would have been
Speaker 1: man enough to have a press conference and speak and say,
Speaker 1: hey all y'all who had my back, I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: was wrong, but trust me, he was wrong absolutely, and
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that. Um. I look forward to that
Speaker 1: day coming because I think everybody should get what they're doing.
Speaker 1: So I look forward to that day happening, uh, for
Speaker 1: for you, for African Americans as a whole, for legends
Speaker 1: like yourself who are mistreated in some of these organizations.
Speaker 1: You go around some of these organizations, guys put their
Speaker 1: bodies on the line. You know, you give up time
Speaker 1: with your children, You give up time with your family,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, the money is great, but money isn't everything.
Speaker 1: You know, how you're treated as a human being goes
Speaker 1: way further the money. So I content I want to
Speaker 1: continue to watch this play out, but hopefully see you
Speaker 1: get what you do so that it can set a
Speaker 1: precedent for guys who's done all of these things for
Speaker 1: these organizations. But in speaking of James Dolan and the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks. You then you get traded from the
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls to the New York Knicks. Now we're as
Speaker 1: you've built this relationship with Michael Jordan, y'all like this
Speaker 1: as an enforcer in the type and the way you play.
Speaker 1: How was that? Then playing against Mike you gotta lay
Speaker 1: Mike out when he comes to the hole and he's
Speaker 1: not stopping. No, well, you know, I tell everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: once I got traded to New York, mad too with
Speaker 1: the change, no matter who I was playing against, I
Speaker 1: had to do the same thing, play defense, clauk the
Speaker 1: miller and let him know that it's still you can't
Speaker 1: come down the land. I'm still here. So we didn't
Speaker 1: have no problem. He took it as a business. He
Speaker 1: took us every day. You know, I'm going to war.
Speaker 1: And when we played against the Bulls, I didn't see
Speaker 1: him that much. He shot a lot of jump shots.
Speaker 1: So my game was the same. You come into paint Mike, No,
Speaker 1: you know, he's practiced sometime. I don't matter Georgy, Georgy's
Speaker 1: after color come. I gotta step up and that's my job,
Speaker 1: take charge of it. And you know, defense and my
Speaker 1: defense I was the anchor in New York, and uh
Speaker 1: we had a really good defense. So I was in
Speaker 1: the top five and everything. Uh So Michael Buckler's jump
Speaker 1: shot once I got traded, because he knew that he
Speaker 1: had to pull up, he had to put up. So
Speaker 1: this book, Yeah, he talked a lot of trash about
Speaker 1: Yeah I was boring the wrong time, but yeah, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: he knew if he came down that lane, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay a toble. I like, I like to
Speaker 1: think a guy who I have a similar relationship with,
Speaker 1: who's a big brother of mine, who taken me under
Speaker 1: this wing, and not only on the court, but in
Speaker 1: business and life off the court. Also a nephew of yours,
Speaker 1: Lebron James. I think he had to work on his
Speaker 1: goddamn jump shot when I came in this league to
Speaker 1: now No, but I think, um, you know, there's always
Speaker 1: been I I totally understand that, because there's always been
Speaker 1: this thing made of me and Lebron. And I mean
Speaker 1: even before I signed with Clutch, you know, like and
Speaker 1: then I signed with Clutch, Like how can Draymond signed
Speaker 1: with Clutch? They hate each other and it's that another
Speaker 1: and the reality is we've never hated each other. Maybe
Speaker 1: when I first came into the league, like my first year,
Speaker 1: because you're fighting for respect, but it was never a
Speaker 1: lack of respecting. It was just more of a I
Speaker 1: don't know you, you don't really know me. But we
Speaker 1: quickly got to know each other and we've been building
Speaker 1: a relationship since. And people they can't wrap their head
Speaker 1: around there, like how does these guys play? Or Lebron
Speaker 1: drives Draymond files them hard, um me getting suspended from
Speaker 1: a game, with a situation with Lebron, all of these things,
Speaker 1: and people can't really wrap their head around it, and
Speaker 1: always sometimes ain't for people. You know, you know the deal,
Speaker 1: Lebron on the deal, like they said with me and Mike,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a business. You know, you're trying to win,
Speaker 1: just like Lebron trying to win. Mike want to win.
Speaker 1: I want to win. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: shake your hand goes sever ways. Absolutely absolutely, And and
Speaker 1: speaking of yourself, those next teams, you obviously had a
Speaker 1: great big man with you and Patrick Ewing and and
Speaker 1: just looking at the shift in the big man today
Speaker 1: like our I would say are two most dominant centers
Speaker 1: in the league. I don't think anyone would argue then
Speaker 1: if they should. If they would, they're crazy. Um are
Speaker 1: two most dominant centers in the league are Joel and
Speaker 1: b and Nikola Yoki, and they play a totally different
Speaker 1: way than Patrick Ewing, than a Shaquille O'Neill. Then even
Speaker 1: I mean he came a little bit, Joel got some
Speaker 1: came in him. But even Joel is shooting the three
Speaker 1: and doing a lot more off the dribble. What do
Speaker 1: you make of the ship for the ship for the
Speaker 1: big man? And you hit on it a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: but what do you make of the ship and how
Speaker 1: the big man operates? I mean, you gotta play with
Speaker 1: your team schemes and your team skills allowed you to
Speaker 1: float around the three point line, like you know, Joco,
Speaker 1: he's the offense go through him. U uh, the offense
Speaker 1: go through him, but he do go to the post.
Speaker 1: Both of the end up in the post sometime probably,
Speaker 1: But the offense go through both of the big guys.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's a spread offense game now,
Speaker 1: and your big guys can dribble like you know a
Speaker 1: small forward. It's better for your team. So if if
Speaker 1: I was playing the game today, I don't play a
Speaker 1: zone because they're gonna come to you anyway. So but
Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, these guys gasing skills for
Speaker 1: big guys, probably more than the guys when we played
Speaker 1: SEP for kingslja On, I can do a lot, you
Speaker 1: know free Throlina stended. Uh so you gotta give him
Speaker 1: the credit. I mean they can still play with the
Speaker 1: small forwards, being a seller anchor anchor center playing small forwards.
Speaker 1: Let me look at it. And the way you play,
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, you like a Scottie. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you do everything for your team. Um, you
Speaker 1: said the picks, you do, the road, you get the
Speaker 1: triple doubles. I mean you bring the energy and you know,
Speaker 1: same thing you did from Michigan State, you know. And
Speaker 1: you know I mean I went to see y'all play
Speaker 1: several times when you when he was in school. They
Speaker 1: do your game or travel to the NBA, because what
Speaker 1: you can do a point forward like and and that's
Speaker 1: what the game is right now. Um. Absolutely. And And
Speaker 1: for you who who was the toughest person when you
Speaker 1: were playing that you had the guard, well, I mean
Speaker 1: I didn't look at none of them tough. I just
Speaker 1: feel like when the guy getting TWI times in the
Speaker 1: post like a shock, a calm along, you know. Barkley
Speaker 1: Michale was more of an in between posts and mid
Speaker 1: ray jump shooter. But I mean, my job, when did
Speaker 1: you get a guy who haven't starting point hold him
Speaker 1: to halfway points that night? And uh, you know, just
Speaker 1: played play with force m absolutely and and and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're watching at least a little bit out of
Speaker 1: the game today, if not a lot. But but when
Speaker 1: you're watching the game today, who's that guy that you're seeing,
Speaker 1: You're like, I would fucking love your guard him. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean a d even the healthy because he's so crafty.
Speaker 1: He can do so much. That's a challenge. He can,
Speaker 1: you know, put the ball on the floor. He can
Speaker 1: shoot the three. Um. I would like to check be
Speaker 1: because he's big mobile. I mean I like checking big guys,
Speaker 1: you know, just to see where I'm at, you know,
Speaker 1: so probably the two guys a little to you know,
Speaker 1: check them in this day and age. I would like
Speaker 1: to play Lebron cause with the same side, you know,
Speaker 1: just to see the strip against him. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you said, you like Lebron like Lebron, you know, I
Speaker 1: just like when he do on the court and off
Speaker 1: the court. You know, he carried yourself dollar. Actually, in
Speaker 1: your book, you said you you knew Lebron was going
Speaker 1: to leave Cleveland the first time? Why is that? Why
Speaker 1: was that? Um? That's some you know I was around them.
Speaker 1: But when the season starts, you know, they played back
Speaker 1: to back, so they played that Fried and said that.
Speaker 1: But they played in the Lando first and I came
Speaker 1: down there just hang out with him that I went,
Speaker 1: you know, like the stakes and hang out and drink
Speaker 1: a little where wine. And then after the game he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I knew it was going to Miami, and
Speaker 1: I told him I was coming down there. But at
Speaker 1: night he was just I said, you know, I said,
Speaker 1: y'all played at the game of or y'all in the Miami.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I said, you know, I'm coming down there.
Speaker 1: So I like, Miami, I'm gonna go there. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: really said, yeah, I'm gonna go to Miami. And it
Speaker 1: was just like the first game into the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And in this book we talked about other things too.
Speaker 1: But when I got to Miami that night at halftime
Speaker 1: because Pard had on sleep. I said, somebody said this
Speaker 1: coming out here, So okay, I said, you might be
Speaker 1: playing against him. He just you know, so I told
Speaker 1: me it's Lebron. He said, okay. And and do you
Speaker 1: think Pat believes you when you said that? Mother guy?
Speaker 1: You might have said, you know, but hebody not never said,
Speaker 1: but I think it did? You know they had to
Speaker 1: do with almost this and that. But I might made it.
Speaker 1: Really go put the numbers in the computers? How did
Speaker 1: they come out? He probably went and did that. So wow,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So that's interesting. That's interesting. You Lebron
Speaker 1: tells somebody that the day and sources will be all
Speaker 1: over the place. You know, somebody, you're a good friend,
Speaker 1: You don't you know what people probably like. It didn't
Speaker 1: get out a whole year. I mean, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know how good the guys are, and you know, you
Speaker 1: know they tell you something ain't ain't for everybody else
Speaker 1: to know, you know, so we you know, I've been
Speaker 1: cool with all of them from day one, you know.
Speaker 1: So when he invite me to his wad, you know,
Speaker 1: and sure he trusted me absolutely. That's one of the
Speaker 1: ultimate things you can do for someone, invite them to
Speaker 1: your wed and invite them to your home. I'll be
Speaker 1: a home to someone that has to ultimate respect. You
Speaker 1: know how to do it. They do it big. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna say what man I've always said,
Speaker 1: because I know people are taken in the runway. I
Speaker 1: don't care mat I've always tell me Dre. Many have
Speaker 1: done it, but not many has done it better. And
Speaker 1: I agree one with what they've done as young African
Speaker 1: American man, paving the way for the next generation, and
Speaker 1: not only the next generation for the guy. It is
Speaker 1: like myself who's coming up. I'm not very far behind
Speaker 1: Lebron and age. You know, it's not like I'm some
Speaker 1: totally different generation. For what he's done, and Math and
Speaker 1: Rich and Randy pr the whole, the whole crew, and
Speaker 1: just what they've done for us as African Americans, which
Speaker 1: goes way further than just us and as athletes. I'm
Speaker 1: stre I'm extremely appreciative. And one thing I hate most
Speaker 1: is when people say, uh, I'm I'm gonna be just
Speaker 1: like them, or you know, with my guy, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat and it's so it goes so much far further
Speaker 1: than that. You know, you're talking some of the smartest
Speaker 1: guys around, you know, some of the hardest working guys around.
Speaker 1: So I have a huge appreciation for those guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think in the book when I talk about him
Speaker 1: and Michael and towards the end of my book, it's
Speaker 1: it's so much like love. It's love. It's a love love,
Speaker 1: fast feeling, you know, because I know I'm both of
Speaker 1: them so well. And Lebron is probably own an athlete
Speaker 1: and playing a sport and being a big and white
Speaker 1: steel playing. I mean, that's going to show you what
Speaker 1: are he doing. It's incredible and like I said, the
Speaker 1: whole crew and he held him accountable. Put all of
Speaker 1: them in the space. You do this, you do this,
Speaker 1: and they're working like you know, like I said, man
Speaker 1: was running empire. You know, he was rich in the
Speaker 1: position with the agent it ran in and then they
Speaker 1: all holding and holding themself up and un get a
Speaker 1: lot of credit. In your book, you also spoke about
Speaker 1: Uh about kicking Dennis Robbing out of a steakhouse in
Speaker 1: South Beach. I walked me through that because I got
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for Dennis Robbing, and
Speaker 1: he may went at me a couple of times. I
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand it, but I still have respect and love.
Speaker 1: But I definitely got to hear about this. So basically,
Speaker 1: you know in the book, I'm gonna tell you this
Speaker 1: one was many more in the book about him, but
Speaker 1: this one was like Wow. So we in South Beach
Speaker 1: at the Gainsboro from Collins. We need appearance together from
Speaker 1: like two to four and we finished up. You know,
Speaker 1: has time to kill. He was like, what you're doing?
Speaker 1: And or so I'm going to my steakhouse, Mad Steakhouse
Speaker 1: in South Beach on Washington. It's okay. He saw were
Speaker 1: meeting around seven thirty core. You know, time go past
Speaker 1: seven o'clock. I'm getting ready to go to the steakhouse.
Speaker 1: So I stopped a prying on toil because it's right
Speaker 1: with two blocks apart. Somebody that are talking to mouse
Speaker 1: about seven fifteen that I just let seven twenty. The
Speaker 1: manager of the Red Steakhouse called me. Oh, get him.
Speaker 1: I said, what's going on? You wouldn't believe what that
Speaker 1: is doing? I said, what are you doing? He said
Speaker 1: eating people plays? I said what? So I tell him
Speaker 1: miss I'll be back. So I walk around there. So
Speaker 1: I get around and I look through the shade. I
Speaker 1: looked through the window and he was just like next table, like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, really I'm walking and I need to be
Speaker 1: I went straight to him like, Dennis, what's you doing
Speaker 1: some just to relaxing and try to you know, entime
Speaker 1: up and jorg And walked him outside and Tool said,
Speaker 1: did you never come around me again in life? Wow?
Speaker 1: And where did your relationship go from there? Like, don't
Speaker 1: come up again in life? Came around the book? Another
Speaker 1: thing come up? But you know you got the book.
Speaker 1: So the next thing, I'm crazy too. So it's it's
Speaker 1: crazy though, but the managers like, oh, I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you came over here, man, because he was just you know,
Speaker 1: I guess he was just trying to be funny. But no,
Speaker 1: it's a hot staff was you know, buses and you
Speaker 1: don't do that. Dennis, absolutely no, my name on it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I respect that he changed the game in
Speaker 1: a way, but off the court he's a different guy.
Speaker 1: I get him on the court off the court now
Speaker 1: not no more. I gave it respect called we played
Speaker 1: the same position. We know how hardly to play that position.
Speaker 1: And when you're not, you know, demanding the all every game,
Speaker 1: you just got to stop the other team to get
Speaker 1: the ball, absolutely one of the best to do that.
Speaker 1: But all the courts is different story. I think we
Speaker 1: all know, uh right, I mean we've just seen the stories.
Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know like you know, but we've seen
Speaker 1: the stories, um all over the place. But then obviously
Speaker 1: uh in the last dance as well. But uncle Oak,
Speaker 1: I know you gotta get out of here. I don't
Speaker 1: want to take much more of your time, as much
Speaker 1: as I'm enjoying this, but I do have to ask
Speaker 1: you one last thing because I think the world needs
Speaker 1: to know this, um, and you know, maybe some people do,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if everyone knows, But I need
Speaker 1: you to talk to them about you cooking on and
Speaker 1: I still have not had that cooking. Yeah, I told
Speaker 1: you several times, even in the factals when y'all beat
Speaker 1: my capitaliers that year. Were in there at the bar,
Speaker 1: at the at uh at the steakhouse, let's take um.
Speaker 1: We were at More at More kind of a hotel,
Speaker 1: and I told you at Red's house we got it.
Speaker 1: I keep telling you whenever you want me to come
Speaker 1: up and cook whatever you want, you know I did that.
Speaker 1: I'm chopping up with the guy Green them for Flint.
Speaker 1: But whenever you want this, oh real real dessert, main,
Speaker 1: you know, find doing whatever you want. Hey, I'll be
Speaker 1: in l A super Bowl, so let me know. Oh,
Speaker 1: I come down, I come down there. I know you're
Speaker 1: gonna be down at home home. I come by that.
Speaker 1: I'll be in l A at that time. We play
Speaker 1: the Clippers a day after the super Bowl. We got time.
Speaker 1: We can do this. App state this. Thanks for bringing
Speaker 1: me on the show. Thank you, Uncle, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on. And and for for those of y'all that
Speaker 1: that don't know, um, Uncle Oaks said he cooked better
Speaker 1: than your grandma, So I definitely, I definitely need to
Speaker 1: experience that because I personally know my grandmother's cooking is
Speaker 1: incredible and I'm not sure I take anyone meals over
Speaker 1: my grandmother. So but Uncle Oaks said I cook better
Speaker 1: than your grandma or ynty, and we all know I'm
Speaker 1: not you know, I can only speak for myself, and
Speaker 1: I know and a black grandmother and a black auntie
Speaker 1: they throw down in that kitchen. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to that. But it's it's definitely great having Uncle Charles
Speaker 1: Oakley on the show, and I enjoyed that. I hope
Speaker 1: everyone else enjoyed it, but most importantly, make sure you
Speaker 1: go get the Last Enforcer. I need to hear some
Speaker 1: more of these stories. I mean, I've only come across
Speaker 1: a couple of them, and I'm really looking into deeper
Speaker 1: diving into that book because it's you know, it's stories
Speaker 1: that you don't get from the NBA, Like it's stories that,
Speaker 1: uh that that never truly comes out. And you know,
Speaker 1: the thing is the thing about Charles Oakley and when
Speaker 1: it says the last Enforcer, like, I'm rolling with that,
Speaker 1: you know, as someone like I said, as someone who
Speaker 1: gets the Enforcer tag and and all of those things, like,
Speaker 1: that's a different that's a different thing. Charles Oakley was
Speaker 1: a different different beasts and I have the utmost respect
Speaker 1: for him. So I'm looking forward to hear some of
Speaker 1: them stories because the reason you won't get a lot
Speaker 1: of stories like that is because number one, most people
Speaker 1: aren't comfortable enough bringing those things back up because of
Speaker 1: what could happen after the fact. You know what Tyrone
Speaker 1: Hill may think. Uh there's another one in there about
Speaker 1: Jeff McGinnis, um what he may think, you know, with
Speaker 1: what ch'alls Oakley putting these putting these stories into a book.
Speaker 1: You know, quite frankly, Uncle Oak, don't give a damn.
Speaker 1: And that's why you're getting The Last Enforcer. That's why
Speaker 1: you're getting these raw and told stories. So for all
Speaker 1: NBA fans out there, um, make sure you check out
Speaker 1: The Last Enforcer. However it is that you get your books,
Speaker 1: like I said, whether you're ordering them, whether it's an
Speaker 1: audio book, make sure you check that out because this,
Speaker 1: this is These are raw, uncut story and you're getting
Speaker 1: them right from the horse's mouth. So definitely check that out.
Speaker 1: Enjoy it because it does not get like this and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'll see it again because people, just
Speaker 1: like I said, they're just not comfortable doing it. So
Speaker 1: appreciate it, love and enjoy it, but most importantly, go
Speaker 1: copy it. And I'm looking forward to, like I said,
Speaker 1: taking that deeper dive, and I hope you are too.
Speaker 1: But that's a ripe from the Draymond Green Show this week.
Speaker 1: See y'all back here next week. We'll have another great
Speaker 1: guess but most importantly we'll be here to bring some
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