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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, every parent's worst nightmare. We

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Speaker 1: are asking for your help. We desperately need your help.

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Speaker 1: A nine year old little girl out on a camping

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Speaker 1: trip with her family, goes for one more loop around

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Speaker 1: the campground with her bike, and now she's missing. I'm

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: Where is Little Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Listen an urgent search for a nine year old girl

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Speaker 2: who went missing from a New York state park while

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Speaker 2: camping with her family.

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Speaker 3: The day turned into every parent's nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Official say, Charlotte Senna simply vanished from Moroe Lake State

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Speaker 2: Park north of Albany. She was lasting Saturday, riding bikes

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Speaker 2: with friends. Around dinner time.

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Speaker 3: She's finally go around one more time by herself.

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Speaker 1: Be that big girl, do it by herself.

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Speaker 2: When she hadn't return fifteen minutes later.

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Speaker 1: Her parents knew immediately something was up. Just fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: that's all it took for this beautiful girl to seemingly

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Speaker 1: vanish on the face of the earth. You were hearing

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Speaker 1: from our friends at ABC. Now take a listen to

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Speaker 1: w RGB six what was.

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Speaker 4: Supposed to be a fun fall weekend has turned into

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Speaker 4: a nightmare for the family of nine year old Charlotte Senna.

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Speaker 5: She is a blonde, adorable, little nine year old girl

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Speaker 5: with bangs. She has green eyes, just under five feet tall,

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Speaker 5: and she is just a sweet, adorable girl.

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Speaker 4: Charlotte and friends went for a bike ride around Loop A,

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Speaker 4: where their cabin is located. Charlotte went for one last

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Speaker 4: ride by herself before heading back. After fifteen minutes she

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Speaker 1: Guys with me an all star panel to make sense

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Speaker 1: of what we know right now, but joining us in

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Speaker 1: the midst of the search and all of the confusion

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Speaker 1: and the chaos surrounding the search for this little girl

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Speaker 1: just nine years old. Charlotte's aunt is with us, Janey Senna,

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Speaker 1: Miss Senna, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Nancy for you know, bringing attention

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Speaker 6: to what's going on with Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Guys, the tip line five one eight four five seven

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Speaker 1: Charlotte home. I'm trying to understand what happened, but I

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Speaker 1: got to tell you, Miss Senna that when I heard

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Speaker 1: the story and realized what had happened, I've done the

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Speaker 1: same exact thing. We are v in camp a lot,

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Speaker 1: and the last time we took an RV trip all

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Speaker 1: the way across the country to the Tetons. Whenever we

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Speaker 1: go to an RV camp, my son and says, did

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Speaker 1: we bring his bike? And he was just a year

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Speaker 1: or two older than Charlotte, and he wanted to ride

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Speaker 1: all the way around the loop of the RV camp

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Speaker 1: or the campground every single night. And I would go

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Speaker 1: out and follow him, but on bike he would be,

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Speaker 1: you know, out of my site, but I would know

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Speaker 1: he wasn't that far right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And the proximity of where her where she was,

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Speaker 6: if you could see it, you would it's so close,

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Speaker 6: I mean it's it would it was visible to with

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Speaker 1: You're saying that her course, that Charlotte was riding on

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Speaker 1: her bike the whole time, was visible from the campsite,

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Speaker 6: She came around the other side of the loop, because

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Speaker 6: it's one way. They actually have one way signs that

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Speaker 6: go around, So if she was on the other side, no,

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Speaker 6: But where they where she was left and last scene

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Speaker 1: That just doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying right

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Speaker 1: that what you're saying is incorrect, saying how did this happen?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 1: And when you're saying, okay, I'm trying to envision is

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Speaker 6: It's tense, but a lot of people have those, like

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Speaker 1: Right, So there's a big gripping of them, and then

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Speaker 1: there is the loop that goes around that. Is that right?

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Speaker 6: So, And like I said, it's actually has one way signs,

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Speaker 6: It was seventy five degree beautiful day, wasn't dark yet

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Speaker 1: You were hearing Janey Senna. This is Charlotte's joining us again.

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Speaker 1: Five one eight four five seven six eight one one,

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Speaker 1: Miss Senna. I'm trying to give everyone a visual this

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Speaker 1: orange tied die Pokemon. The shirt pink pink. Oh, I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad you told us that.

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Speaker 6: No, I know, I had to correct the information and

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Speaker 6: in the Amber alert after it went out the first time,

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Speaker 6: and then for some reason now in the Amber alert

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Speaker 6: page it's saying she's five six and she we actually

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Speaker 6: told the police four seven, and then they put four

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Speaker 6: or six. But that's close enough, honestly. And then they

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Speaker 6: didn't have her eye color. I gave it to them.

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Speaker 7: It's green.

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Speaker 6: And then they had the shirt as orange.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know, but you know, we're all everybody's

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Speaker 6: where the police steeples have been. I think you know,

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Speaker 6: they're honestly overwhelmed too, just like everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now let me ask you something. This is that

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Speaker 1: Moros State Park and Gavin Sort, New York, Yes to you,

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Speaker 1: Nicole Parton joining US Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Where is that exactly? And is that upstate New York

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Speaker 8: This is in Saratoga County. So this is about fifty

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's way upstate because you've got New York City,

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Speaker 1: but beyond that. And so this is how far above Albany?

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Speaker 8: Fifty miles north of AUBUSNY.

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Speaker 1: So an hour north and Miss Senna, Jennae Senna Charlotte's

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Speaker 1: how far is this from the family home?

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Speaker 6: Very close actually, I would say ten to fifteen minutes away,

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Speaker 6: So it's a it's I mean, they love to camp,

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Speaker 6: I don't think she was super familiar with it. No,

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Speaker 1: Were they with those friends this time?

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Speaker 1: Who are those friends?

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Speaker 6: they apparently were like done bike riding, you know, and

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Speaker 6: And that was the last time anybody saw Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Her mom calling nine one one to report her missing,

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Speaker 2: multiple agencies combing Moroe Lake State Park from the air

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Speaker 9: After that exhausted search. When we couldn't find her here,

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Speaker 9: it was quite possible that an abduction had taken place.

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Speaker 2: Charlotte's family describing her as a joyful fourth grader who

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Speaker 1: Donna Kelly joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney, Donna,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Just fifteen minutes later,

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Speaker 1: nine on one was called Is that right, Jenay?

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Speaker 6: I think Tricia actually told me like ten minutes had

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Speaker 6: They were cooking dinner. So the friend, David's friend, Charlotte's

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Speaker 6: riding bikes because he was at the grill and David

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Speaker 6: kind of like, oh, where's Charlotte. So that, I mean,

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Speaker 6: it was such a short amount of really a short

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, how long is the loop? If

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was walking around it yesterday. Fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so fifteen minutes walking, So it couldn't have been

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Speaker 1: joining us. Donna, let me clarify one more thing, Janey.

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Speaker 1: So it was after your sister in law realizes that

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Speaker 1: Charlotte is she doesn't see her on the loop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's gone to take the three year old to the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: see Charlotte. So it's ten minutes after that that nine

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Speaker 6: Well because it took them a couple minutes to walk,

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Speaker 6: Charlotte kind of took them down to where she left

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Speaker 1: So when they found her by, is that when they

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Speaker 1: call nine one one, Yes, that's.

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Speaker 6: That's I think. There was a little bit of looking

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Speaker 1: Okay, Donna Kelly. My point is an each minute, of course,

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Speaker 1: is important. And I'm getting a sign waved me from

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Speaker 1: Jackie that the loop is one third of a mile.

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Speaker 1: Loop A is the same on all camp sites. Is

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Speaker 1: one third of a mile, Donna Kelly. I mean, of course,

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Speaker 1: I know that there are ways that this can happen,

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Speaker 1: but to have Charlotte disappear after just literally minutes happening,

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Speaker 1: that would suggest a car, what do you think.

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Speaker 11: We here in Utah have had the experience sadly of

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Speaker 11: the Elizabeth Small case, and Elizabeth completely disappeared from her

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Speaker 11: home and within minutes was reported by her little sister.

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Speaker 11: There was people, there were people searching in a very

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Speaker 11: short time, but she was actually abducted and taken just

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Speaker 11: a little ways from her home, which was kind of

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Speaker 12: Very little trait.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I want to break down what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: With me is Janney Senna. This is Cheryla's aunt to you.

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Speaker 1: Justin Bordman joining us, a former detective with the West

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Speaker 12: Wait in, Yeah, that was a really quick disappearance and

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's find out about that, Jenni Senna. Was it

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Speaker 6: And one thing I want to mention that I don't

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Speaker 1: R Greater Philly Search and Rescue. Mark right there, because

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Speaker 1: The north Way, Is that what you said? The north Way?

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Speaker 6: The north Way, Yeah, through eighty seven, which is the

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark Hopkins, Chief Field Operations, Greater Philly Search and Rescue.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it that, that's what happened.

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Speaker 7: What do you think, well, I think that if if

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Speaker 10: But what our job is in search and rescue is

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Speaker 7: These instances, the world gets real big, real.

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Speaker 10: Fast, and time starts to move different, and our job

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Speaker 7: Entire world and that involves investigation, and with the proliferation

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Speaker 10: People in parks or creatures of habit the same people

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Speaker 10: They just don't think it's important right now, but it is.

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Speaker 1: Let's go over the description again. Charlotte Center, just nine

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Speaker 6: I believe leggings, Nancy leggings probably.

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Speaker 1: Quick question, Janey. The gray helmet. Was it found the

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Speaker 6: No, it was not.

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Speaker 1: Helmet still gone bike. Was the bike up on the

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Speaker 6: I've heard conflicting reports about that. I also have heard

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Speaker 1: And I don't see any reason that they would make

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Speaker 1: with bangs, green eyes for seven ninety pounds, third grade, right, Jana,

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Speaker 1: fourth grade, fourth grade? Oh gosh, okay, everybody way in.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Gary Riccato is with a clinical psychologists and author

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Speaker 1: of The New Evil Understanding the Emergence of modern violent

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Speaker 1: crime way In Riccato.

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Speaker 11: Sure.

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Speaker 12: So, obviously, with these kind of events, the first thing

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Speaker 12: But once that's been ruled out and a lot of

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Speaker 12: people who abduct children really seem to fall into two

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Speaker 12: scheming type of person who would groom a child over time,

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Speaker 12: they snatch and and you know, So that what I

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Speaker 12: tell you that with a quick search that Saratova County

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Speaker 12: So it is a place where it is possible that

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Speaker 12: we can't really picture somebody sitting and trolling waiting for

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Speaker 12: this to happen. It was far more likely somebody said, oh,

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Speaker 12: there is a child that is riding alone. I don't

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Speaker 12: see any parents. Let me open the car door, pull

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Speaker 12: the kid in, and so you know that. I think

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Speaker 1: So don I want to follow up on multiple things

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Speaker 1: that you just said. Number one, Janey Senna, did the

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Speaker 6: No, another driver. Well here's the thing, Nancy, Like I

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Speaker 1: I know it's one way, right, But did the loop?

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Speaker 1: Was the loop close to the north Way? Could you

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Speaker 6: Yes, but I don't believe a vehicle could go down.

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Speaker 1: Up and we understand what you're saying because we cannot

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Speaker 1: envision it. Yeah, Jennay Senna is with us. This is

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Speaker 1: Charlotte's aunt. So from the highway, from the north Way

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Speaker 6: Yes, I don't believe you can see the north Way

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Speaker 1: But yet her bike was found in the road on

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Speaker 6: No, in the loop.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you told me it was down the hill.

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Speaker 6: No, the bike is in a spot on the loop.

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Speaker 1: I see. I see.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying on this loop that it's only, according

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Speaker 6: Loop Yes, it's a one way road.

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Speaker 1: How do you get off of it?

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Speaker 6: You can just you just literally drive around from where

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Speaker 1: Oh so you were close to the gate, yes, of

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Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying

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Speaker 1: very quickly, Janey. Is there any body of water near there?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 6: A huge lake, yes, Moreau Lake, And there is a

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Speaker 6: And there's a separate, smaller lake next to it called

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Speaker 1: Jenna. Have they brought in tracker dogs?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was one of the first things they did

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Speaker 1: What did they come up with regarding tracker dogs.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure because the police really aren't giving any

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Speaker 1: At least, So what happened in those critical first moments

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Speaker 4: Family friends in nearby campers when looking.

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Speaker 9: For her, and approximately six forty five pm, Sharlock's bike

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Speaker 9: Charlotte's mom, Trishall, called nine one one to report the

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Speaker 4: Massive search efforts have been going since seven pm Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Okay, we know it's pink. We know there are a

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Speaker 1: few discrepancies there. She's four seven ninety pounds, pink tight

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Speaker 8: Yes, no, yes, even the governor made a statement that

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Speaker 8: did an immediate search. Also interesting, there are thirty one

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Speaker 8: camp sites in loop A, Nancy. This is a busy loop.

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Speaker 8: Thirty one camp site in that particular loop, with a

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Speaker 8: restroom and shower facility right in the center of the loop,

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Speaker 8: the recycle the trash bins right on the outside. A

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Speaker 8: lot of activity, especially in the afternoon. People are grilling.

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Speaker 8: Six thirty people are outside doing the restroom breaks. I

447
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Speaker 8: mean that's a lot of people. Someone had to see something.

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Speaker 1: They had to They had to Nicole Partner and what

449
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Speaker 1: you said about the governor's correct take a listen hour

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Speaker 1: cut four WRGB six.

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Speaker 4: Governor Kathy Hokeel at the search site on Sunday afternoon,

452
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Speaker 4: saying she has promised this own a family law enforcement

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Speaker 4: will bring Charlotte home.

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Speaker 3: We are leaving no stone, no branch, no table, no

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Speaker 3: cabin unturned, untouched unexamined in our search to find Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: She's all of our daughters. Their family needs love, they

457
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Speaker 1: need prayers. Now I know that the camp was closed down.

458
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Speaker 1: Moreau Lake State Park in New York closes amid the

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Speaker 1: search for nine year olds Charlotte. Now I appreciate what

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Speaker 1: the governor says. I take everything a politician says with

461
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Speaker 1: a box of assault, but in this case it may

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Speaker 1: actually be helpful to the search for Charlotte. Now let

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Speaker 1: me under the steps that were taking the cole part

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Speaker 1: and Jennay Senna, everybody jump in on the panel. Please.

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Speaker 1: I understand that campers, tents, cabins were immediately searched. Now

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Speaker 1: does that include all thirty one camp sized Janney?

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Speaker 6: So here was my thing about that. Just even while

468
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Speaker 6: I was there yesterday, there were still people coming and

469
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Speaker 6: going that were camping there, I guess because they were

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Speaker 6: trying to kind of clear them out, but they had

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Speaker 6: to come back and get their stuff or whatever. It

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Speaker 6: was so like we were in the middle of the

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Speaker 6: loop at one point and there was a woman in

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Speaker 6: a jeep who looked aggravated and gave us a dirty

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Speaker 6: look that we were like in her way. And I

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Speaker 6: go who's that?

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Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 6: So the police were like at the gate, you know,

479
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Speaker 6: checking people and that sort of thing, but there were

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Speaker 6: like still a lot of strange people around and it

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Speaker 6: wasn't kind of fully cleared out until about six o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Until about six o'clock, you may, well, right, this whole

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Speaker 1: thing went down around six thirty to seven pm, So.

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Speaker 6: What was twenty four hours?

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Speaker 1: Twenty four hours? While you're jump in.

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Speaker 12: Disgustin hey, you know, one of the things I would

487
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Speaker 12: do is certainly start in the campground where we would

488
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Speaker 12: be identifying the people in the different camp spots. You know,

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Speaker 12: did they register their names on a book? Did how

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Speaker 12: did they pay? And then taking a look at their history.

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Speaker 12: I think that our suspect, if you will, would have

492
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Speaker 12: been somebody that certainly knows the area. But when you're hunting, sorry,

493
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 12: but when you're hunting for kids, it's certainly going to

494
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Speaker 12: be an opportunity to jump in and snag one. But

495
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Speaker 12: you're going to also run this through your head a lot.

496
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Speaker 12: You're going to be thinking about your exit strategy and

497
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Speaker 12: things like that. Then you just wait for the opportunity.

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Speaker 12: So somebody would be a little bit more familiar with

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Speaker 12: the campgrounds and the exit strategy. Maybe they were actually

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Speaker 12: camping there, saw the opportunity, snatched her up and then

501
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Speaker 12: took off. You know they had bloodhounds also right there soon.

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Speaker 12: Bloodhounds are incredible trackers, So if they didn't get a

503
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Speaker 12: track on which way or to the water, more likely

504
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Speaker 12: than not, I would agree with you that somebody snatched

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Speaker 12: her up in a car.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're hearing Justin Bordman, former detective straight out to

507
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Speaker 1: Mark Hopkins, way in on what's your theory right now?

508
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Speaker 1: If every one of the thirty one camp sites have

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Speaker 1: been checked, and that's what I'm getting from Jena, Well.

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Speaker 10: If you're going with subduction as a theory and that's

511
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Speaker 10: not an in.

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Speaker 1: Ballots theory, Okay, what's the alternative?

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Speaker 10: Something happened and fightened her and she ran into the woods,

514
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Speaker 10: a medical emergency and animal something else are other possibilities.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me just go out on a limb here.

516
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Speaker 1: She's camped here several times. She did not run into

517
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Speaker 1: the woods and stayed hiding there even when her parents

518
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Speaker 1: were calling her. Now, is she in the woods incapacitated? Maybe,

519
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Speaker 1: but she did not run in there and ignore people

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Speaker 1: calling her I do not think there has been a

521
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Speaker 1: wild animal attack. I think we would have seen evidence

522
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Speaker 1: of that, and her bike being in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the road to me precludes evidence of an animal attack.

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Speaker 1: And also when you have evidence of an animal attack,

525
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Speaker 1: you see tracks where the body is dragged.

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Speaker 10: The problem I have with the camper doing it is

527
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Speaker 10: that it would take a lot more time than this

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Speaker 10: person has.

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Speaker 12: A lot more What time that.

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Speaker 10: This person had to snatch her and break down a cap.

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Speaker 1: Potentially and break down a camp? Well, what if they're

532
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Speaker 1: in a camper on wheels, there's nothing bringing down Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Well, if they're in a camp and they were registered there,

534
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Speaker 10: that it's a sort of thing about going to a

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Speaker 10: list of people that were registered to be there. That's

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Speaker 10: that's a little easier. I hope. I hoped it would

537
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Speaker 10: be something that simple.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's move forward, guys. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut three from Emma Quinn.

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Speaker 4: During a press conference, New York State Police were questioned

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Speaker 4: by since the search started Saturday evening, they waited to

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Speaker 4: send an Amber alert for Charlotte until Sunday morning.

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Speaker 9: Following our exhaustive search of the park, we we took

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Speaker 9: that step of issuing the Amber alert because we we

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Speaker 9: we felt that after that exhaustive search, when we couldn't

546
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Speaker 9: find her here, it was quite possible that an abduction

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Speaker 9: had taken place.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace to Donna Kelly joining us,

549
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and attorney for crime

550
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Speaker 1: victims and Amber alert. Everyone always attacks the police because

551
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Speaker 1: they delay an Amber alert, and sometimes those attacks are justified.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, I believe they were searching the

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Speaker 1: entire area before they issued an Amber alert, and I

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Speaker 1: don't have a problem with that. I mean, I wish

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Speaker 1: it had been sooner, but given they were out searching,

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Speaker 1: bringing in k nines and search activities, I don't think

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Speaker 1: they did anything wrong.

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Speaker 11: No, it sounds like to me that the priority was

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Speaker 11: get the area, you know, cleared first, and I agree.

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Speaker 1: With that, guys. Very often Amber alerts are issued if

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Speaker 1: police believe a car is involved. Nicole Parton joining me

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com jump.

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Speaker 8: In, Nicole, Well, I'm sure, and I think after they

564
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Speaker 8: brought in I was told they brought in one hundred personnel.

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Speaker 8: They brought the dogs, the drones, the boats, they started

566
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Speaker 8: six underwater rescue teams when all of that found nothing,

567
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 8: no results. It was quite obvious this had to be

568
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Speaker 8: leaning toward an abduction, and in that loop, the only

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Speaker 8: way out would be by vehicle, whether that's an RV,

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Speaker 8: a car, a truck, something on that king.

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Speaker 1: And in fact the one you sent us is a

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Speaker 1: really we've been looking online. This is a really good explanation. Guys.

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Speaker 1: When we're saying a loop, this is what we mean.

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Speaker 1: There's the entrance to the park. You turned in, and

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Speaker 1: there's a big it looks kind of like the shape

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Speaker 1: of a baked potato. There's a big baked potato, and

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Speaker 1: coming off the baked potato are thirty one little arrows. Okay,

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Speaker 1: each one of those is camp They're thirty one smaller campsites,

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Speaker 1: and those camp sites may accommodate. Let's just say, what

580
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Speaker 1: would you say, ten families, Max? What about it? Janey?

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure, honestly, Like, I know that at their

582
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Speaker 6: particular campsite they were able to put a very large

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Speaker 6: tent and a pop up camper.

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Speaker 1: Tent and camper. Yeah, but there were other families there

585
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Speaker 1: as well that they didn't know.

586
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 6: Correct, Well, yeah, all around the loop.

587
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Speaker 1: I know, But I'm just talking about their campsite, Campsite

588
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Speaker 1: number one, how many other families were there?

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Speaker 6: They're just they're just their friends, nobody that they didn't

590
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Speaker 6: know at their particular But it's all open. It's not

591
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Speaker 6: like there's I mean, I'm not a camper, so I

592
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Speaker 6: don't you know, I don't know too much about how

593
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Speaker 6: normally is. But it's not like there's a gate in

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Speaker 6: between or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: You can walk from one to the next.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they run right into the next and there's

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Speaker 6: just a post with each number. And there was about

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Speaker 6: there is a about halfway up the like I said,

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Speaker 6: one way, so about halfway up the one side.

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Speaker 1: And let me ask you, were they in campsite number one? No,

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Speaker 1: I wonder do you know which campsite they were in?

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Speaker 6: I believe sixteen?

603
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: Okay, sixteen is about halfway around.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, got it.

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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, I want to go through

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Speaker 1: what the search efforts entailed, what do we know right

607
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Speaker 1: now about the search efforts that were implemented immediately, and

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Speaker 1: to call for tips take a listen to again. Emma Quinn.

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Speaker 4: Charlotte's aunt Jannay Senna, spoke on behalf of the.

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Speaker 5: Family, saying no tip is insignificant. So if anyone has

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Speaker 5: any information at all, saw anything in the vicinity of

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Speaker 5: the entrance to the Moreau Lake State Park, or are

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Speaker 5: camping here and have any information at all.

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Speaker 4: If anyone has any you saw something, you heard something,

615
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Speaker 4: you are asked to call the number on your screen

616
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Speaker 4: here or.

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Speaker 1: Call nine to one one. From what I can tell,

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Speaker 1: everything has been done at that site, and I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: that the campers were not allowed to leave without their

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Speaker 1: vehicle or their camper being searched. But frankly, if the

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Speaker 1: dogs didn't pick up anything to lead them to a

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Speaker 1: specific part of the camp, I'm not sure she was

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Speaker 1: taken to a camper or one of the tents. I

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Speaker 1: mean to Gary Dodger, Gary Pricado, clinical psychologist Ricado, I

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Speaker 1: would think that had someone taken her to their tent

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Speaker 1: or their camper to let's just play it out to

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Speaker 1: molest her and or kill her, the dogs would absolutely

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Speaker 1: have picked up that scent. I have no doubt in

629
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Speaker 1: my mind.

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Speaker 12: I would be more inclined to think that someone passing

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Speaker 12: in a vehicle oppera soonistically snatched her and left the park,

632
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Speaker 12: but that it would be somebody familiar with the area

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Speaker 12: and wouldn't have taken her very far out of the park.

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Speaker 12: I don't think this is somebody commuting from very far away.

635
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Speaker 12: It was just somebody with this kind of tendency who said, wow,

636
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Speaker 12: you know, opportunity has placed this person in my path,

637
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Speaker 12: opened the car door without any probably much talking or anything,

638
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Speaker 12: and drove off.

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Speaker 1: Would be my subposition that quickly. I think she was

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Speaker 1: yanked off of her bike, or she may have been

641
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: lure such as have you seen my puppy luring? But

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Speaker 1: it was such a quick thing. Once they can get

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Speaker 1: their hand on the child, if the child gets close

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Speaker 1: enough to the car, that's all it takes. Once they

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Speaker 1: get their hand around the child's arm, it's over.

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Speaker 10: It's justin.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 12: One thing that we haven't discussed, and it may not

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Speaker 12: be an issue, is brainstorming. Are there any custody issues?

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Speaker 6: Everyone keeps asking this information and.

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Speaker 1: No, okay, so no custody. Got a question? What about

652
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Speaker 1: cameras on the loop? Do you know anything about are

653
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: there cameras on the camp site? Janey?

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Speaker 6: There was a rumor on Facebook that there was a

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Speaker 6: trail cam.

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Speaker 1: I do not.

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Speaker 6: To my knowledge, I do not know anything about that,

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Speaker 6: and I've only seen it on this particular Facebook post

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Speaker 6: that keeps getting shared and shared with me. And I've

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Speaker 6: also been told that at the entrance there should be

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Speaker 6: some sort of camera or recording device for license plates,

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Speaker 6: but the police haven't shared that with us. So if

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Speaker 6: they are working that angle, they are doing it without

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Speaker 6: you know, talking about it. Essentially, it's hard to believe

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Speaker 6: in this day and age that there are no cameras.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if the family heard any cars, an

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Speaker 1: they screeching of tires, any scream, any anything.

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Speaker 6: I actually asked that question yesterday of the friend that

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Speaker 6: was camping with them, and because he's the one that

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Speaker 6: head is back to the loop, because he was cooking, grilling,

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Speaker 6: and he said Toenay, if she screamed, we wouldn't think

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Speaker 6: anything of it, because there's screams of joy. I mean,

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Speaker 6: there's so many children. Every campsite had several bikes in

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Speaker 6: front of it. They all ride their bikes around the loop.

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Speaker 6: This is the thing they do at this campsite. So

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Speaker 6: like to the point of one of your other panelists

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Speaker 6: that yes, someone who's familiar with this campsite would know

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Speaker 6: there's children on bikes and likely there's going to be

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Speaker 6: one that's going to be alone for a second. But yes,

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Speaker 6: they would. They make lots of noise. It was very noisy.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, doctor Bricado. I think someone saw her,

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Speaker 1: took advantage, an opportunist with a proclivity to fantasize or

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Speaker 1: dream about children, grabbed her, put her in a car,

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Speaker 1: and took off. Because the dogs did not lead Ellie

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Speaker 1: to a campsite, a tent or pop up, the dogs

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Speaker 1: would have picked up percent. I have no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: That only leaves her being in the water, which sometimes

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Speaker 1: they can pick that up too, or having been taken

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Speaker 1: in a car. And I think that it is someone

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Speaker 1: that lives nearby. Guys the tip line five one eight

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Speaker 1: four or five seven six eight one one repeat five

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Speaker 1: one eight four or five seven six eight one one.

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Speaker 1: There is a chance, a strong chance, we could bring

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Speaker 1: Charlotte home alive. With every hour that passes, that chance diminishes.

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Speaker 1: If you think you know anything, please call the tip line. Goodbye, friend,