WEBVTT - Early MLB Trade Deadline Targets & Marlins-Cardinals Series Reaction 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.120 Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:09.640 on First. 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.360 Welcome to Fish on First Live, part of the Foul 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:43.800 Territory Network. Eli Sussman, Kevin Barrall, I'm Jeremiah Geiger. Marlins 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.720 take another series win. They take two out of three 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.880 from the Saint Louis Cardinals on the road. They're four 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.840 games under five over five hundred. Couldn't get the sweep today, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.200 but still a successful start to a three city road trip. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.560 We're gonna break down the series, but also so the 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.880 focus of today's show, we're gonna be starting to look 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.479 at some early trade deadline targets because the Fish right 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.720 now half a game back of the wild Card, their 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.520 contenders at this point in time, at this point in time, 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.600 after a terrific month of June. But but as always 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.320 be going reverse order, We'll start with this series and 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:23.400 talk about today's loan loss. In this one, it was 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.280 a two to one loss, a tough loss. You really 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.200 wanted to get the sweep, Kevin, but Tyler Phillips, I 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.800 felt pitched phenomenal and gave his team a real shot 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.240 to win this one. The Bats just just didn't have enough. 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.920 Yeah, Phillips, was great. Another way to say it, just 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.560 I guess one bad pitch. I didn't actually see how 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:41.880 gave up the run. I'm assuming it was a two 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:47.760 run homer. Yeah, and yeah, you know, tough one. Really 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:49.840 another way to put it offense really couldn't get a 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.320 lot going. I believe it was only four hits on 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.960 the night or five. Very weird decision there to go 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.920 with four straight pinch hitters. I don't for merely for 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.840 one believer to was Ojo Romero, and then you know 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.360 the last one was I guess you put in Joe 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:06.440 macfron Alvaretto, which was a fine move at that point, 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.280 but I really don't see why you put in Leo 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:14.360 Jimenez for Grand Polly and you make all these pinch hits. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.320 But you know, at this point you just have to 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.200 come to live with it. And except that this team 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.239 is gonna go extremely platoon heavy, splits heavy, whatever you 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.079 want to call it. And if on in Casey's three 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.320 for three, they're still gonna bench him. If if there's 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.880 a lefty on the mound, so uh, you know what. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.440 Overall though, you'll take it. The Models are in a 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.280 position where, if we're gonna talk about it more. But 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.440 they're gonna have to buy like they have to buy. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.240 They're in this point where they're half a game out. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:42.840 They're gonna be probably a little less than that now 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.040 because the Padres are losing to the Dodgers, So that 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.040 should at least tie them for that, tie them in 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.119 with the Padres or put them just ahead of them 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.880 and the Cardinals. I don't know. I'm not totally convinced 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:55.800 that the Cardinals. What I saw wasn't great. Their bullpen 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.519 is a little interesting. They have some pieces that are good, 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:03.120 but they're starting pitching probably isn't the greatest. So that team, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:04.519 I feel like, is going to fall off just a 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.079 little bit. And we're already seeing some other teams fall off. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.960 So but you know what, overall, it is a good 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.720 series for the Marlins, and shout out grand Poli for 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.720 the first game comes in and pretty much helps this 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.799 team out. And yeah, it's good to see that he's 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.400 kind of he got to go into these last two 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.839 games back, but you obviously need to see that through 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:27.240 a larger sample size and hope that maybe that trip 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:28.280 to Jacksonville helped him. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.160 Yeah, some things on Phillips to shout him out seven 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.480 and a third innings today, he wanted to go even deeper. 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:35.840 The Marlins are trying to get him all the way 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.320 through the game, Like they gave him a couple of 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.920 batters in that eighth inning, which would have been essentially 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.920 a complete game because it wasn't any bottom of the night. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.160 They were trying to get him that complete game, and 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.920 they almost did only using Kaid Gibson, really saving the 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:48.880 bullpen in a way that's going to be very important 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.040 for this entire next week. This is the first leg 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.280 of a three game, three city road trip, and the 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.440 way that they were able to conserve the bullpen in 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.960 this series with Phillips in this final game, Max Meyern 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.000 the series opener, in the way that the bullpen game 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.360 right in the middle, which was a Ryan Gusto l 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.240 At bullen game that went so smoothly, like the pen 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.600 is in very good shape in terms of being available 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.520 when it comes to coming up moving forward. So not 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.080 only did they win the series, but did it incredible 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.000 in terms of run prevention. So that's kind of why 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:19.880 you're kicking yourself that they didn't sweep the series. When 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.919 you hold the team just to throw it up again, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.880 three total runs allowed in the series, and yet you 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.479 somehow lost one of those games. That's gonna be a 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.000 bit of a frustrating part of it that they weren't 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.560 didn't get completely done. To hop onto what Kevin was 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.279 touching on with the pinch hitters, it's one thing to 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:41.080 like respect the differences of respect individual matchups and how 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.400 platooning can give you an important advantage. It just the 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.279 personnel really does matter. It's not always that a righty 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.120 is going to be better than a left in this situation, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.960 and vice versa when your rights, in particular in this 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:57.240 Marlins team still include Brian Navaretto and Leo Jimenez. In 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.440 this case, he Meantez being I got that actually got 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.080 a pinch had in this situation. But this Marlins roster 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.480 is currently constructed, there are a couple weak links that 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.360 if they're on the bench late in a game, they 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.400 can't really help you win. All due respect to him, then, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.240 is there's really not much he offers this team whatsoever 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.680 other than being there in case somebody gets injured in 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.560 the course of the middle of the game. And so's 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.000 that's a problem with this team. A limitation. I would 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.880 say that even though they're very good starting wise at 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.320 almost every position, the bench is still limited. They moved 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.000 on from Christopher Morel as well, and they sent down 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.680 Connor Norby, so those were two weak links as well. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.600 But I think there's another Leo Hemantez is kind of 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.120 in that same category where he stuck around as kind 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.599 of as a placeholder until I guess the team is 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.400 back at full full strength until a certain prospect maybe 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:50.280 breaks through. But I think he is now getting towards 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.159 the end of his rope at this point. And I 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.800 don't know, it's not you can't entirely blame Clayton and 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.880 you can't entirely blame the front offense. It's kind of 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.480 a mix of both where I don't think that was 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.120 an appropriate way to use the guys off the bench 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.279 in that situation. At the same time, if the roster 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.120 itself is a little bit better, a little bit deeper 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:10.200 in terms of guys that can actually make an offensive impact, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.400 then you're not in that spot in the first place. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.760 So yeah, overall, though, a good series, so don't want 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.240 to nitpick it too much. Winning series on the road 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.120 has been hard for this Marlins team. They've won plenty 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.480 at home, but the fact that they were able to 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.839 beat a pretty competitive team on the road in this situation. Overall, 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.360 this was another mini step forward for them. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.200 That's the one thing I wanted to take away from 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.680 it too, Like those first two games were like legit games, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.840 Like those were fun games. Like it was close for 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.760 the most partly throughout most of the first game, it 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.640 was pretty close, and pitching was good. Max Meyer was 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.200 on it, Like we have to talk about Max, you know, 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.760 for the go on the bereaven list and come back 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.520 all of a sudden and do what he did is 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.599 just kind of like cements it, like this guy should 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.640 be in Philly representing the Miami MARDINLS in the All 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.920 Star Game. What would And honestly, if I had to assume, 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.640 he maybe would have gotten the eighth had there not 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.840 been a rain delay in there. So he was he 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.880 was moving quick man, like if it wasn't for that 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.560 final inning that he was out there. He had won 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.280 inning where he threw about twenty pitches. He was at 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.039 sixty six pitches through I think six and then the 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:10.720 seventh he really got went a little bit downhill there. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.240 He got out of it, but you know, he could 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.280 have potentially thrown a complete game had he gotten out 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.640 of that inning. Scotch Free a little bit quicker, but 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.520 Max Meyer just continues to show, you know that this 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:24.360 is legit. What we're seeing out of Max Meyer is legit. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.400 It's consistent, and he's been by far the most consistent 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.560 pitcher the Marlins have had all season long. That that 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.560 goes for like any starter or reliever. So and they're 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.360 gonna need it more because now Janson Junk potentially out 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.560 for a little longer than expected, unfortunately with the yeah 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.840 hit by a pitch or hit by a drive on 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.000 the wrist, Yeah, comebacker, So they're gonna need to come 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.440 on Max. Sandy Yuri shout out to Ryan Gusto. He 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.560 looked really good too, like surprising, but good for him. 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.040 And he was fired up too, and he kind of 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:54.520 felt like he wanted to go a little bit deeper 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.120 into the game too. So if you're getting that Gusto 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.679 by all means. But yeah, no, pitching was great this series. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.480 I mean that's the biggest takeaway. The offense got their 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.800 runs when they had to, like we mentioned with Poly, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.800 but those first two games really were fun to watch, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.120 like from start to finish, there were good games, and 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.360 the Marlins showed that, like, hey, they could beat better 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.640 team teams that are technically ahead of them or have 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.520 a better record, and they've shown that through this whole run. 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:18.960 In June, the Rays, the Nationals at that point they 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.760 were over five hundred, the Pirates were over five hundred. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.800 Like they they're beating good teams. It's not like they're 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.720 beating bottom of the barrel opponents. They're beating teams that 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.960 are either right with them or just a little bit 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:31.720 of ahead. And that's that's one of the biggest taways, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.400 not just for this series but in June as well, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.320 and continues to push the narrative like this team should 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.400 buy in the deadline. I'm not saying go crazy and 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.280 clear out the farm, but you got to make some 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:44.079 moves to address certain spots, which we'll talk about later, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.000 where this team needs it. You know, they need bench bats, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.960 as the ELI mentioned, they need a third baseman, they 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.400 could probably use another starter, assuming Junks can be out 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.520 for a little bit longer, Like they need pieces and 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.600 they're gonna have to address that at the deadline. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.400 And then talk about Max Meyer a little bit more 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.720 on his start. What I was so impressed with was 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:06.640 his pitch selection. This is a guy that historically, you know, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.280 ever since he came out of the University of Minnesota. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.560 Throughout the miners, it was He's gonna throw a slider 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.560 fifty sixty percent of the time and whatever else is gravy. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.719 You know, try to develop that third pitch because the 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.120 fastball wasn't very good. And now the narrative has kind 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.240 of started to shift. I I was on this website 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.480 pitcher list the other day and it was for Fantasy 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.320 Baseball and they analyzed, you know, what pitcher you should 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.280 start and whatnot, and someone described Max Meyer his start 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.640 against the Cardinals, go out and do it because his 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.280 heater is that good. And I was like, is this 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.760 the first time that national you know, writer's pundits are 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.880 noticing Max's development with the fastball because he trusts it 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:50.520 now and pitching coach Daniel Moscus trusts it as well. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.439 He threw the sweeper thirty nine percent of the time, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.120 then it was the four seen fastball at twenty six percent, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.480 and then the slider two years ago. Year ago, you 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.760 don't see that from Max Meyer. That slider was leading 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.320 the charge each and every time the fastball is a 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.520 good pitch. It's an objectively good pitch. Now the sweeper 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.840 is a very good pitch, and of course the slider 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.160 is so elite that when you have finally come into 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.079 your own as a pitcher, you've become a complete pitcher 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.960 where hitters aren't just sitting dead red on the slider anymore. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.760 This is the results that are gonna have happen. Two 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.000 point six year od er and seventeen starts, he's been phenomenal. 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.880 He should be an All Star. And he's not just 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.319 been one of the most consistent pitchers for the Marlins, 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.160 but in the entire National League. He's been that good. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.520 I think it's great to see. The only thing for 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.480 me is just stay healthy, right because this Marlin's rotation 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.680 is at a point where they really can't afford another injury. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.600 The Jansen junk, I was really hoping to have him 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.280 back because I don't know about you guys, but the 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.400 Gusto situation, he looked good, but they kind of still 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.160 treat him as almost an opener where they're not going 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.800 to give him five innings six innings. That's not going 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.960 to happen with Gusto. There's still very much a hole 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.240 in that back half of the rotation, and with Snelling's 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.680 injury ELI it makes it even more clear to me 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:13.800 that this team's going to have to go shopping for 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:14.559 a starting pitcher. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.000 It does, and now, I mean, I guess the silver 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.960 lining very premature. We haven't gotten a diagnosis yet. Junk 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:24.200 was hit on the non throwing hand or non throwing wrist. 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.040 I should say, so I'll be able to keep his 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:30.200 actual throwing arm in shape for however long this setback last. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:31.839 It's just that I think we talked about this when 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.360 he went down. It's not like he's a Knight in 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.679 Shining Armor. It's not like if he comes back he's 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.800 necessarily going to change much. 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.200 He was fine. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.040 He was better last year than he was at the 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.320 first half of this year. He has his strength, but 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.240 the ceiling is just not especially high with Junk. He's 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.959 not a guy that you depend on to come back 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.520 and that you think is going to really move the 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.840 needle for you. If you get him back and you 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.800 get a slightly better version than we saw the first 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.960 half of this year, than great at some point. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.920 But again, yeah, I absolutely agree. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.319 Where you make plans not really expecting all that much 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.880 from him, and certainly not trusting Gusto to give you 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.240 all that much other than one and a half times 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.120 through the order seems to be the plan with him 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.840 where that's when they have yanked him the previous couple 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.360 of times. Good results when he's in there, just not 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.800 somebody that they trust to go multiple times through a 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.439 lineup and continue to avoid hard contact. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.800 So yeah, I'm totally kind of in. 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.240 That camp where they got to that's something seem there 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.240 was more urgency. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.320 A few weeks ago. They've they've proved us wrong. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.320 To be fair, like a lot of these bullpen games 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.000 have gone better than anybody could have realistically hoped. The 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.120 fact that they've played their best baseball of the season, 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.760 one of the best stretches in franchise history the last 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.760 few weeks is by being so short handed with their rotation. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.040 You need to actually tip your cap to this team 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.520 for sticking with their guys and getting those amazing results. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.880 At the same time, that's not going to sustain itself 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.320 throughout the entire rest of the season. They do have 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:49.960 to I think I have to look at a wide 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.880 variety of arms that are available on the market, and. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.839 One thing to note too real quick is like Junk 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.080 wasn't pitching well at all before the injury, Like he 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.679 was actually the worst pitcher in the rotation at that time. 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.080 You know, it was between him and Urie, and Uri 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.520 ended up finally, you know, beginning to look good, but 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.680 Junk just never really turned it around. So you gotta wonder, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.520 you know, are you gonna keep using Junk assuming he's 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.480 gonna come back and as Eli said, gonna be this 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.840 Knight and whatever, like he's gonna get shining armor, Yeah, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.400 Knight in shining armor. Yeah, Or are you gonna get 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.520 the junk that he got beforehand? And you're probably gonna 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.240 go out there and not wave the white flag every 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.960 fifth day, but begin to be at a disadvantage every 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:33.760 fifth day. I think you need to go out and 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.840 find a starting picture. And I think Junk fits much 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.719 better than Marlins bullpen than as a starter. I think 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.520 we saw that last year where he was in this role, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.400 where he was a long man out of the pen, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.640 and who knows, maybe it's a combo of Gusto and 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.560 Junk for the short term and maybe it works out 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:49.640 kind of like what we saw last year was Calum 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.360 Junk I'm not saying that's the best option right now, 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.120 but in the short term, assuming nothing really, assuming junk 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.520 isn't very much set back, I think you could see 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.920 that until they decide if they want to go out 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.600 and find a starting pitcher out in the trade deadline market. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.360 And that's one that I know. Robbie Ray's one that 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.720 Lewis wrote about in an article. We're gonna be dropping 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.640 here in the next day or two as an option 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.480 for this team, So that would be pretty cool. That'd 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:15.640 be a good option for them, for sure. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.080 Yeah, Robbie, Robbie Ray. For me, I just I don't 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.480 know if I want to see the Marlin spot. I'd 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.720 preferably like to see them go with more youth in 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.120 terms of guys that are approaching the end of their 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.440 first contract, you know, those arbitration years on teams that 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:38.040 are really going nowhere. And that's just because an expiring contract. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.160 With Robbie Ray in particular, he's I hate to say, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.120 he's just not that good anymore. He's had a couple 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.480 of good starts, but it's very inconsistent. I don't know 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.560 how much of a boost he's realistically going to give 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:55.960 this rotation and that's an organizational philosophy that hasn't been 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.360 tested yet. This Marlins team hasn't bought, so we don't 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.000 know if they're gonna try to get guys with a 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.560 couple years of control at the major league level, or 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.960 a rental or a mixture of both. But we're going 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.960 to continue to talk about pitching targets, trade deadline targets 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.760 as a whole. Right after this from our friends over 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:13.600 at sea Geek. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.160 With over thirty five million downloads, seageek is the number 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:21.280 one rated ticketing app and krats. 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The results have been pretty good. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.120 But you guys touched on the other elements where a 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.760 rental a pretty expensive rental as well, so the money 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.720 would be an interesting factor there. And just in his 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.000 age thirty four season, but yeah, we can now hop 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:45.880 into a bunch of other guys that kind of fall 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:46.760 into that category. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.920 He's having an awesome month of June though he has 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.160 a one three six ra thirty three innings, but he's 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.760 thrown back the bad games of eight innings like shutout 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.520 too well, both of them with one unearned run. Funny enough, 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.800 but he's thrown three straight games of shutout baseball by 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.520 when you look at the earned runs, like the guy 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.720 who's gonna give you some innings, he's gonna get outs. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:09.840 I don't hate it. Like I know it's on the 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.560 older side, and I think that's what you're gonna have 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.399 to target, some older guys, because guys who are on 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.240 an expiring contract or maybe have one more year left 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.960 or a team option. You know, that's what you're gonna 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.280 have to target. As much as I would love talking 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.240 about the targets, I am super like curious to see 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.440 how they attacked, how the Marlin specifically attack this from 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.280 up from a prospect standpoint, and how Peter attacks this 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.560 trade deadline. How will he value his players, how will 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.719 he value his prospects? Well, who's the untouchables? Who are 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.560 the guys that he feels he could maybe cash in 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.719 on right now? Right that's the biggest question here, And 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.359 how willing he's going to be to move on from 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.160 guys and how much he really believes in this team 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:52.040 at the end of the day. You could go out 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:53.600 and you could say, I think this team's gonna win. 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.479 I think we were gonna try to win every single day. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:55.760 Whatever. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.320 But if if you really believe it, you'll go out, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.560 then you'll make the big moves that could go to 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.399 go do that? Will Peter do that? I don't know, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.560 And I think that's one of the biggest questions that 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.160 comes up with this trade deadline. 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.360 It truly is a mystery because this team hasn't been 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.359 under the Bendix era in this position before the last 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.560 time they were in a position to buy was twenty 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.040 twenty three under Kim Ang. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.080 We know what they did. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.960 They got a couple of bats, traded away their former 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.280 number one draft pick and Khalil Watson to do so, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.359 but they were very aggressive. It paid off in the 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.359 sense that they made the playoffs, but that front office 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:35.720 regime quickly dispersed and we all know what happened. It 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.879 was a terrible year the next year. So too, I 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.159 can't wait to see what Bendix does because when I 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:45.440