Speaker 1: Hey, this is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish
Speaker 1: on First.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Fish on First Live, part of the Foul
Speaker 2: Territory Network. Eli Sussman, Kevin Barrall, I'm Jeremiah Geiger. Marlins
Speaker 2: take another series win. They take two out of three
Speaker 2: from the Saint Louis Cardinals on the road. They're four
Speaker 2: games under five over five hundred. Couldn't get the sweep today,
Speaker 2: but still a successful start to a three city road trip.
Speaker 2: We're gonna break down the series, but also so the
Speaker 2: focus of today's show, we're gonna be starting to look
Speaker 2: at some early trade deadline targets because the Fish right
Speaker 2: now half a game back of the wild Card, their
Speaker 2: contenders at this point in time, at this point in time,
Speaker 2: after a terrific month of June. But but as always
Speaker 2: be going reverse order, We'll start with this series and
Speaker 2: talk about today's loan loss. In this one, it was
Speaker 2: a two to one loss, a tough loss. You really
Speaker 2: wanted to get the sweep, Kevin, but Tyler Phillips, I
Speaker 2: felt pitched phenomenal and gave his team a real shot
Speaker 2: to win this one. The Bats just just didn't have enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Phillips, was great. Another way to say it, just
Speaker 1: I guess one bad pitch. I didn't actually see how
Speaker 1: gave up the run. I'm assuming it was a two
Speaker 1: run homer. Yeah, and yeah, you know, tough one. Really
Speaker 1: another way to put it offense really couldn't get a
Speaker 1: lot going. I believe it was only four hits on
Speaker 1: the night or five. Very weird decision there to go
Speaker 1: with four straight pinch hitters. I don't for merely for
Speaker 1: one believer to was Ojo Romero, and then you know
Speaker 1: the last one was I guess you put in Joe
Speaker 1: macfron Alvaretto, which was a fine move at that point,
Speaker 1: but I really don't see why you put in Leo
Speaker 1: Jimenez for Grand Polly and you make all these pinch hits.
Speaker 1: But you know, at this point you just have to
Speaker 1: come to live with it. And except that this team
Speaker 1: is gonna go extremely platoon heavy, splits heavy, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it. And if on in Casey's three
Speaker 1: for three, they're still gonna bench him. If if there's
Speaker 1: a lefty on the mound, so uh, you know what.
Speaker 1: Overall though, you'll take it. The Models are in a
Speaker 1: position where, if we're gonna talk about it more. But
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to buy like they have to buy.
Speaker 1: They're in this point where they're half a game out.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be probably a little less than that now
Speaker 1: because the Padres are losing to the Dodgers, So that
Speaker 1: should at least tie them for that, tie them in
Speaker 1: with the Padres or put them just ahead of them
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals. I don't know. I'm not totally convinced
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals. What I saw wasn't great. Their bullpen
Speaker 1: is a little interesting. They have some pieces that are good,
Speaker 1: but they're starting pitching probably isn't the greatest. So that team,
Speaker 1: I feel like, is going to fall off just a
Speaker 1: little bit. And we're already seeing some other teams fall off.
Speaker 1: So but you know what, overall, it is a good
Speaker 1: series for the Marlins, and shout out grand Poli for
Speaker 1: the first game comes in and pretty much helps this
Speaker 1: team out. And yeah, it's good to see that he's
Speaker 1: kind of he got to go into these last two
Speaker 1: games back, but you obviously need to see that through
Speaker 1: a larger sample size and hope that maybe that trip
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville helped him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some things on Phillips to shout him out seven
Speaker 3: and a third innings today, he wanted to go even deeper.
Speaker 3: The Marlins are trying to get him all the way
Speaker 3: through the game, Like they gave him a couple of
Speaker 3: batters in that eighth inning, which would have been essentially
Speaker 3: a complete game because it wasn't any bottom of the night.
Speaker 3: They were trying to get him that complete game, and
Speaker 3: they almost did only using Kaid Gibson, really saving the
Speaker 3: bullpen in a way that's going to be very important
Speaker 3: for this entire next week. This is the first leg
Speaker 3: of a three game, three city road trip, and the
Speaker 3: way that they were able to conserve the bullpen in
Speaker 3: this series with Phillips in this final game, Max Meyern
Speaker 3: the series opener, in the way that the bullpen game
Speaker 3: right in the middle, which was a Ryan Gusto l
Speaker 3: At bullen game that went so smoothly, like the pen
Speaker 3: is in very good shape in terms of being available
Speaker 3: when it comes to coming up moving forward. So not
Speaker 3: only did they win the series, but did it incredible
Speaker 3: in terms of run prevention. So that's kind of why
Speaker 3: you're kicking yourself that they didn't sweep the series. When
Speaker 3: you hold the team just to throw it up again,
Speaker 3: three total runs allowed in the series, and yet you
Speaker 3: somehow lost one of those games. That's gonna be a
Speaker 3: bit of a frustrating part of it that they weren't
Speaker 3: didn't get completely done. To hop onto what Kevin was
Speaker 3: touching on with the pinch hitters, it's one thing to
Speaker 3: like respect the differences of respect individual matchups and how
Speaker 3: platooning can give you an important advantage. It just the
Speaker 3: personnel really does matter. It's not always that a righty
Speaker 3: is going to be better than a left in this situation,
Speaker 3: and vice versa when your rights, in particular in this
Speaker 3: Marlins team still include Brian Navaretto and Leo Jimenez. In
Speaker 3: this case, he Meantez being I got that actually got
Speaker 3: a pinch had in this situation. But this Marlins roster
Speaker 3: is currently constructed, there are a couple weak links that
Speaker 3: if they're on the bench late in a game, they
Speaker 3: can't really help you win. All due respect to him, then,
Speaker 3: is there's really not much he offers this team whatsoever
Speaker 3: other than being there in case somebody gets injured in
Speaker 3: the course of the middle of the game. And so's
Speaker 3: that's a problem with this team. A limitation. I would
Speaker 3: say that even though they're very good starting wise at
Speaker 3: almost every position, the bench is still limited. They moved
Speaker 3: on from Christopher Morel as well, and they sent down
Speaker 3: Connor Norby, so those were two weak links as well.
Speaker 3: But I think there's another Leo Hemantez is kind of
Speaker 3: in that same category where he stuck around as kind
Speaker 3: of as a placeholder until I guess the team is
Speaker 3: back at full full strength until a certain prospect maybe
Speaker 3: breaks through. But I think he is now getting towards
Speaker 3: the end of his rope at this point. And I
Speaker 3: don't know, it's not you can't entirely blame Clayton and
Speaker 3: you can't entirely blame the front offense. It's kind of
Speaker 3: a mix of both where I don't think that was
Speaker 3: an appropriate way to use the guys off the bench
Speaker 3: in that situation. At the same time, if the roster
Speaker 3: itself is a little bit better, a little bit deeper
Speaker 3: in terms of guys that can actually make an offensive impact,
Speaker 3: then you're not in that spot in the first place.
Speaker 3: So yeah, overall, though, a good series, so don't want
Speaker 3: to nitpick it too much. Winning series on the road
Speaker 3: has been hard for this Marlins team. They've won plenty
Speaker 3: at home, but the fact that they were able to
Speaker 3: beat a pretty competitive team on the road in this situation. Overall,
Speaker 3: this was another mini step forward for them.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I wanted to take away from
Speaker 1: it too, Like those first two games were like legit games,
Speaker 1: Like those were fun games. Like it was close for
Speaker 1: the most partly throughout most of the first game, it
Speaker 1: was pretty close, and pitching was good. Max Meyer was
Speaker 1: on it, Like we have to talk about Max, you know,
Speaker 1: for the go on the bereaven list and come back
Speaker 1: all of a sudden and do what he did is
Speaker 1: just kind of like cements it, like this guy should
Speaker 1: be in Philly representing the Miami MARDINLS in the All
Speaker 1: Star Game. What would And honestly, if I had to assume,
Speaker 1: he maybe would have gotten the eighth had there not
Speaker 1: been a rain delay in there. So he was he
Speaker 1: was moving quick man, like if it wasn't for that
Speaker 1: final inning that he was out there. He had won
Speaker 1: inning where he threw about twenty pitches. He was at
Speaker 1: sixty six pitches through I think six and then the
Speaker 1: seventh he really got went a little bit downhill there.
Speaker 1: He got out of it, but you know, he could
Speaker 1: have potentially thrown a complete game had he gotten out
Speaker 1: of that inning. Scotch Free a little bit quicker, but
Speaker 1: Max Meyer just continues to show, you know that this
Speaker 1: is legit. What we're seeing out of Max Meyer is legit.
Speaker 1: It's consistent, and he's been by far the most consistent
Speaker 1: pitcher the Marlins have had all season long. That that
Speaker 1: goes for like any starter or reliever. So and they're
Speaker 1: gonna need it more because now Janson Junk potentially out
Speaker 1: for a little longer than expected, unfortunately with the yeah
Speaker 1: hit by a pitch or hit by a drive on
Speaker 1: the wrist, Yeah, comebacker, So they're gonna need to come
Speaker 1: on Max. Sandy Yuri shout out to Ryan Gusto. He
Speaker 1: looked really good too, like surprising, but good for him.
Speaker 1: And he was fired up too, and he kind of
Speaker 1: felt like he wanted to go a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: into the game too. So if you're getting that Gusto
Speaker 1: by all means. But yeah, no, pitching was great this series.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the biggest takeaway. The offense got their
Speaker 1: runs when they had to, like we mentioned with Poly,
Speaker 1: but those first two games really were fun to watch,
Speaker 1: like from start to finish, there were good games, and
Speaker 1: the Marlins showed that, like, hey, they could beat better
Speaker 1: team teams that are technically ahead of them or have
Speaker 1: a better record, and they've shown that through this whole run.
Speaker 1: In June, the Rays, the Nationals at that point they
Speaker 1: were over five hundred, the Pirates were over five hundred.
Speaker 1: Like they they're beating good teams. It's not like they're
Speaker 1: beating bottom of the barrel opponents. They're beating teams that
Speaker 1: are either right with them or just a little bit
Speaker 1: of ahead. And that's that's one of the biggest taways,
Speaker 1: not just for this series but in June as well,
Speaker 1: and continues to push the narrative like this team should
Speaker 1: buy in the deadline. I'm not saying go crazy and
Speaker 1: clear out the farm, but you got to make some
Speaker 1: moves to address certain spots, which we'll talk about later,
Speaker 1: where this team needs it. You know, they need bench bats,
Speaker 1: as the ELI mentioned, they need a third baseman, they
Speaker 1: could probably use another starter, assuming Junks can be out
Speaker 1: for a little bit longer, Like they need pieces and
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to address that at the deadline.
Speaker 2: And then talk about Max Meyer a little bit more
Speaker 2: on his start. What I was so impressed with was
Speaker 2: his pitch selection. This is a guy that historically, you know,
Speaker 2: ever since he came out of the University of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Throughout the miners, it was He's gonna throw a slider
Speaker 2: fifty sixty percent of the time and whatever else is gravy.
Speaker 2: You know, try to develop that third pitch because the
Speaker 2: fastball wasn't very good. And now the narrative has kind
Speaker 2: of started to shift. I I was on this website
Speaker 2: pitcher list the other day and it was for Fantasy
Speaker 2: Baseball and they analyzed, you know, what pitcher you should
Speaker 2: start and whatnot, and someone described Max Meyer his start
Speaker 2: against the Cardinals, go out and do it because his
Speaker 2: heater is that good. And I was like, is this
Speaker 2: the first time that national you know, writer's pundits are
Speaker 2: noticing Max's development with the fastball because he trusts it
Speaker 2: now and pitching coach Daniel Moscus trusts it as well.
Speaker 2: He threw the sweeper thirty nine percent of the time,
Speaker 2: then it was the four seen fastball at twenty six percent,
Speaker 2: and then the slider two years ago. Year ago, you
Speaker 2: don't see that from Max Meyer. That slider was leading
Speaker 2: the charge each and every time the fastball is a
Speaker 2: good pitch. It's an objectively good pitch. Now the sweeper
Speaker 2: is a very good pitch, and of course the slider
Speaker 2: is so elite that when you have finally come into
Speaker 2: your own as a pitcher, you've become a complete pitcher
Speaker 2: where hitters aren't just sitting dead red on the slider anymore.
Speaker 2: This is the results that are gonna have happen. Two
Speaker 2: point six year od er and seventeen starts, he's been phenomenal.
Speaker 2: He should be an All Star. And he's not just
Speaker 2: been one of the most consistent pitchers for the Marlins,
Speaker 2: but in the entire National League. He's been that good.
Speaker 2: I think it's great to see. The only thing for
Speaker 2: me is just stay healthy, right because this Marlin's rotation
Speaker 2: is at a point where they really can't afford another injury.
Speaker 2: The Jansen junk, I was really hoping to have him
Speaker 2: back because I don't know about you guys, but the
Speaker 2: Gusto situation, he looked good, but they kind of still
Speaker 2: treat him as almost an opener where they're not going
Speaker 2: to give him five innings six innings. That's not going
Speaker 2: to happen with Gusto. There's still very much a hole
Speaker 2: in that back half of the rotation, and with Snelling's
Speaker 2: injury ELI it makes it even more clear to me
Speaker 2: that this team's going to have to go shopping for
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher.
Speaker 3: It does, and now, I mean, I guess the silver
Speaker 3: lining very premature. We haven't gotten a diagnosis yet. Junk
Speaker 3: was hit on the non throwing hand or non throwing wrist.
Speaker 3: I should say, so I'll be able to keep his
Speaker 3: actual throwing arm in shape for however long this setback last.
Speaker 3: It's just that I think we talked about this when
Speaker 3: he went down. It's not like he's a Knight in
Speaker 3: Shining Armor. It's not like if he comes back he's
Speaker 3: necessarily going to change much.
Speaker 4: He was fine.
Speaker 3: He was better last year than he was at the
Speaker 3: first half of this year. He has his strength, but
Speaker 3: the ceiling is just not especially high with Junk. He's
Speaker 3: not a guy that you depend on to come back
Speaker 3: and that you think is going to really move the
Speaker 3: needle for you. If you get him back and you
Speaker 3: get a slightly better version than we saw the first
Speaker 3: half of this year, than great at some point.
Speaker 4: But again, yeah, I absolutely agree.
Speaker 3: Where you make plans not really expecting all that much
Speaker 3: from him, and certainly not trusting Gusto to give you
Speaker 3: all that much other than one and a half times
Speaker 3: through the order seems to be the plan with him
Speaker 3: where that's when they have yanked him the previous couple
Speaker 3: of times. Good results when he's in there, just not
Speaker 3: somebody that they trust to go multiple times through a
Speaker 3: lineup and continue to avoid hard contact.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm totally kind of in.
Speaker 3: That camp where they got to that's something seem there
Speaker 3: was more urgency.
Speaker 4: A few weeks ago. They've they've proved us wrong.
Speaker 3: To be fair, like a lot of these bullpen games
Speaker 3: have gone better than anybody could have realistically hoped. The
Speaker 3: fact that they've played their best baseball of the season,
Speaker 3: one of the best stretches in franchise history the last
Speaker 3: few weeks is by being so short handed with their rotation.
Speaker 3: You need to actually tip your cap to this team
Speaker 3: for sticking with their guys and getting those amazing results.
Speaker 3: At the same time, that's not going to sustain itself
Speaker 3: throughout the entire rest of the season. They do have
Speaker 3: to I think I have to look at a wide
Speaker 3: variety of arms that are available on the market, and.
Speaker 1: One thing to note too real quick is like Junk
Speaker 1: wasn't pitching well at all before the injury, Like he
Speaker 1: was actually the worst pitcher in the rotation at that time.
Speaker 1: You know, it was between him and Urie, and Uri
Speaker 1: ended up finally, you know, beginning to look good, but
Speaker 1: Junk just never really turned it around. So you gotta wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, are you gonna keep using Junk assuming he's
Speaker 1: gonna come back and as Eli said, gonna be this
Speaker 1: Knight and whatever, like he's gonna get shining armor, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Knight in shining armor. Yeah, Or are you gonna get
Speaker 1: the junk that he got beforehand? And you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: go out there and not wave the white flag every
Speaker 1: fifth day, but begin to be at a disadvantage every
Speaker 1: fifth day. I think you need to go out and
Speaker 1: find a starting picture. And I think Junk fits much
Speaker 1: better than Marlins bullpen than as a starter. I think
Speaker 1: we saw that last year where he was in this role,
Speaker 1: where he was a long man out of the pen,
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe it's a combo of Gusto and
Speaker 1: Junk for the short term and maybe it works out
Speaker 1: kind of like what we saw last year was Calum
Speaker 1: Junk I'm not saying that's the best option right now,
Speaker 1: but in the short term, assuming nothing really, assuming junk
Speaker 1: isn't very much set back, I think you could see
Speaker 1: that until they decide if they want to go out
Speaker 1: and find a starting pitcher out in the trade deadline market.
Speaker 1: And that's one that I know. Robbie Ray's one that
Speaker 1: Lewis wrote about in an article. We're gonna be dropping
Speaker 1: here in the next day or two as an option
Speaker 1: for this team, So that would be pretty cool. That'd
Speaker 1: be a good option for them, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Robbie, Robbie Ray. For me, I just I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want to see the Marlin spot. I'd
Speaker 2: preferably like to see them go with more youth in
Speaker 2: terms of guys that are approaching the end of their
Speaker 2: first contract, you know, those arbitration years on teams that
Speaker 2: are really going nowhere. And that's just because an expiring contract.
Speaker 2: With Robbie Ray in particular, he's I hate to say,
Speaker 2: he's just not that good anymore. He's had a couple
Speaker 2: of good starts, but it's very inconsistent. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much of a boost he's realistically going to give
Speaker 2: this rotation and that's an organizational philosophy that hasn't been
Speaker 2: tested yet. This Marlins team hasn't bought, so we don't
Speaker 2: know if they're gonna try to get guys with a
Speaker 2: couple years of control at the major league level, or
Speaker 2: a rental or a mixture of both. But we're going
Speaker 2: to continue to talk about pitching targets, trade deadline targets
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Speaker 4: Robers a good moment.
Speaker 3: Just to just to finish the conversation on robb Ray today,
Speaker 3: shut out today one unearned run, so yeah, eight and
Speaker 3: zero earned runs against the Braves Lowers is Zra to
Speaker 3: three three nine and again that he's striking out less
Speaker 3: guys than usual this year. The results have been pretty good.
Speaker 3: But you guys touched on the other elements where a
Speaker 3: rental a pretty expensive rental as well, so the money
Speaker 3: would be an interesting factor there. And just in his
Speaker 3: age thirty four season, but yeah, we can now hop
Speaker 3: into a bunch of other guys that kind of fall
Speaker 3: into that category.
Speaker 1: He's having an awesome month of June though he has
Speaker 1: a one three six ra thirty three innings, but he's
Speaker 1: thrown back the bad games of eight innings like shutout
Speaker 1: too well, both of them with one unearned run. Funny enough,
Speaker 1: but he's thrown three straight games of shutout baseball by
Speaker 1: when you look at the earned runs, like the guy
Speaker 1: who's gonna give you some innings, he's gonna get outs.
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. Like I know it's on the
Speaker 1: older side, and I think that's what you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to target, some older guys, because guys who are on
Speaker 1: an expiring contract or maybe have one more year left
Speaker 1: or a team option. You know, that's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to target. As much as I would love talking
Speaker 1: about the targets, I am super like curious to see
Speaker 1: how they attacked, how the Marlin specifically attack this from
Speaker 1: up from a prospect standpoint, and how Peter attacks this
Speaker 1: trade deadline. How will he value his players, how will
Speaker 1: he value his prospects? Well, who's the untouchables? Who are
Speaker 1: the guys that he feels he could maybe cash in
Speaker 1: on right now? Right that's the biggest question here, And
Speaker 1: how willing he's going to be to move on from
Speaker 1: guys and how much he really believes in this team
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. You could go out
Speaker 1: and you could say, I think this team's gonna win.
Speaker 1: I think we were gonna try to win every single day.
Speaker 4: Whatever.
Speaker 1: But if if you really believe it, you'll go out,
Speaker 1: then you'll make the big moves that could go to
Speaker 1: go do that? Will Peter do that? I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the biggest questions that
Speaker 1: comes up with this trade deadline.
Speaker 2: It truly is a mystery because this team hasn't been
Speaker 2: under the Bendix era in this position before the last
Speaker 2: time they were in a position to buy was twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three under Kim Ang.
Speaker 4: We know what they did.
Speaker 2: They got a couple of bats, traded away their former
Speaker 2: number one draft pick and Khalil Watson to do so,
Speaker 2: but they were very aggressive. It paid off in the
Speaker 2: sense that they made the playoffs, but that front office
Speaker 2: regime quickly dispersed and we all know what happened. It
Speaker 2: was a terrible year the next year. So too, I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see what Bendix does because when I
Speaker 2: look at this team, how many untouchable prospects are there
Speaker 2: really in this system? And that's the question I have
Speaker 2: in my mind. I think Thomas White Robbie Snelling untouchable.
Speaker 2: I think you look at a guy like Iva Arquette,
Speaker 2: Carson mill Brandt.
Speaker 4: Then I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because there's there's teams that would be
Speaker 2: lining up to get these guys in their system, and
Speaker 2: you could get a younger, more controllable major league piece,
Speaker 2: whether that's a Redebt Merse from the from the Angels,
Speaker 2: who I think would be a great addition because of
Speaker 2: the two additional years of control. But I want to
Speaker 2: ask you, Eli and and you as well, Kevin, is
Speaker 2: there guys that stand out to you where you're just like,
Speaker 2: no matter what, the Marlins aren't going to trade these
Speaker 2: these players.
Speaker 3: I think you actually described it pretty well because as
Speaker 3: we're kind of preparing to update our fof Top thirty
Speaker 3: prospects list, it was pretty simple. Why it is still
Speaker 3: number one for us, Robbie Stilling still number two, and
Speaker 3: then there's a lot of different directions you could go
Speaker 3: with number three, And I think that just reflects that
Speaker 3: there is that is a different tier, that it is
Speaker 3: a different tier of building block player. Once you get
Speaker 3: past number two, there are several guys having amazing years.
Speaker 3: The one at the top of mind is cam Canerella.
Speaker 3: He's just been absolutely spectacular at first at high A,
Speaker 3: and he's kept it going, if not elevated his game
Speaker 3: a little bit more since the promotion at Double A.
Speaker 3: The numbers are off the charts for a guy that
Speaker 3: is also going to stick in center field and his
Speaker 3: pedigree like later during the middle of his college career,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would put him in
Speaker 3: this kind of category of a potential foundational player for
Speaker 3: an organization. It's just been a real It's still a
Speaker 3: small sample size at the pro level. There's still some
Speaker 3: limitations to his game, and the power department hasn't been
Speaker 3: really using his legs to steal bases. Like without going
Speaker 3: too deep into one particular guy, I think you could
Speaker 3: pull coals into everybody else aside from those top two.
Speaker 3: Carson Milbrandt statistically amazing year, but ever since that promotion
Speaker 3: to TRIPAA, the control issues that kind of held him
Speaker 3: back his entire career to this point have turned their
Speaker 3: head again. Where you can he has not solved for
Speaker 3: that yet. That is still a very big question for
Speaker 3: him when it comes to being a long term starting pitcher.
Speaker 3: So I think to answer your questions, distinctly. I really
Speaker 3: do think there are no untouchables among the prospects outside
Speaker 3: those top two. It's more so we want to be
Speaker 3: really creative. Is how many untouchables are there on the
Speaker 3: major league roster? I wouldn't move in this situation, like
Speaker 3: we were talking about Jacob Marcy entering this year, a
Speaker 3: guy that is really not helping them win too many
Speaker 3: games this year despite how valuable he was as a rookie, Like,
Speaker 3: is that a guy that would be in a creative
Speaker 3: significant piece of like a big trade that you make.
Speaker 3: And I think all the other relatively young pre ARB
Speaker 3: and R player even well most almost everybody's pre ARB
Speaker 3: among the position players on this Marlin's roster, that it's
Speaker 3: a question of how many of them are definitely locked in.
Speaker 3: You feel like Otto is locked in that the way
Speaker 3: that Kyle Stowers has hit the last month or so.
Speaker 4: He's locked in.
Speaker 3: But then there's a lot of these other moving pieces
Speaker 3: that are I think are interesting variables and comes to
Speaker 3: what they would trade. But yeah, that being said, on
Speaker 3: the prospect side, they a lot of players are having
Speaker 3: good years. But I would say that they if they
Speaker 3: are motivated to do so, that I wouldn't really be
Speaker 3: shocked to see almost anybody traded outside of Thomas White
Speaker 3: Robbie Snelling.
Speaker 1: I look at it like this, Thomas White and Robbie
Speaker 1: Snelling are by far the untouchable, and looking at our
Speaker 1: list specifically like the Frank Lewis and Caba and Arquette,
Speaker 1: I think those guys are on the unlikely like those
Speaker 1: are unlikely. Now you look at it from like Alderman, Head,
Speaker 1: mill Brandt, probably Canderella, Covid Like like those guys, I
Speaker 1: could see them getting moved. I don't know about Canerella.
Speaker 1: They really like him and they really liked him coming
Speaker 1: out of the draft clearly to take him even with
Speaker 1: the doubts of you know, the the shoulder injury or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was like he's a guy who has been really good,
Speaker 1: like really really good. Milbrand is the one who great
Speaker 1: like he's broken out. Now can he sustain that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 6: Can he do that?
Speaker 1: Because the first couple of years of Carson Millbrand I
Speaker 1: know a lot of changes went into why he is
Speaker 1: what he is this season, But can he be up
Speaker 1: middle to front end starter in a rotation?
Speaker 4: Probably not.
Speaker 1: He's probably like a middle to low to like four
Speaker 1: or five in a rotation right now. For the Marbles,
Speaker 1: he's a four or five so or three, like that's
Speaker 1: the three, So I don't know that's a guy. I
Speaker 1: could definitely see them trying to capitalize and cash in
Speaker 1: on as soon as possible. It also depends who's out
Speaker 1: there in the trade market, Like I wouldn't do that
Speaker 1: for a reliever, Like if you're gonna make a trade,
Speaker 1: I think realistically you got to look for bats and
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher. I don't think there's any need to
Speaker 1: add relievers to this team. Maybe one just just in case,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, from a prospect standpoint, I think anyone's
Speaker 1: on the table. As Eli said, I'll just categorize it
Speaker 1: on untouchables and then like the unlikely category, which is
Speaker 1: like for us like three through like six or seven
Speaker 1: on the on the prospect rankings, the current one that
Speaker 1: we have up right now.
Speaker 2: And I think it's important to understand too when it
Speaker 2: comes to handling prospects. There's there's those fans, those people
Speaker 2: that just want to prospect hoard, you know, like we're
Speaker 2: not gonna trade from this group the top ten, top
Speaker 2: fifteen or whatever. But there's organizations that go into a
Speaker 2: season expecting to compete, expecting to buy and then use
Speaker 2: a good farm.
Speaker 4: System as trade ships.
Speaker 2: They know what they have and going into the year,
Speaker 2: they say, hey, if the right offer is available, he's
Speaker 2: not gonna ever play for us at the major league level.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be used as trade bait. And I think
Speaker 2: when it comes to controllable assets at the major league level,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have a problem if it meant getting guys
Speaker 2: with two to three years to two years of team
Speaker 2: control minimum before they hit that you know, unrestricted free
Speaker 2: agency period, because at that point you're cashing in on
Speaker 2: an unknown lottery ticket like Iva Arquette. He might be
Speaker 2: a perennial All Star, he might not be. We don't know.
Speaker 2: That's just how the nature of the draft works. It's
Speaker 2: how the nature of farm systems work. And I'm of
Speaker 2: the opinion that that's kind of how a competitive team
Speaker 2: should operate. They should use their prospects as trade chips. Now,
Speaker 2: does that mean being like aj Preller and just throwing
Speaker 2: caution to the wind and sending everybody out to another team. No,
Speaker 2: not necessarily. But to Brian's comment here, like twenty three,
Speaker 2: this farm system is in an infinitely better spot than
Speaker 2: it was back then. The twenty twenty three team did
Speaker 2: not have the talent, so when they made those trades,
Speaker 2: it was gut it already. I mean, Jake Eaterer was
Speaker 2: a top ten prospect for goodness sake. This team has
Speaker 2: an organization, has a much deeper farm system to be
Speaker 2: able to trade from right.
Speaker 3: I brought that common up just because I think this
Speaker 3: is a good time to review the actual prospects they traded.
Speaker 3: They did relatively go all in with the prospects that
Speaker 3: they had available, but it wasn't much. And just to
Speaker 3: off the top of my head checking in on the
Speaker 3: guys that they traded away at the deadline in twenty
Speaker 3: three to go for it the headline, I guess the
Speaker 3: biggest prospect at the time overall was well, in terms
Speaker 3: of prospect value, it was Jake eater in that Burger trade,
Speaker 3: and Eaters made it to the big leagues, but he's
Speaker 3: been on the waiver wire the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: He's a he's exactly what. He's a replacement level, low
Speaker 3: leverage reliever who's currently the Dodger system hasn't really materialized
Speaker 3: into much of anything in terms of actually winning games.
Speaker 3: The biggest name, the most polar rising one was Khalil Watson.
Speaker 3: They included him with Jeene Segura and the salary dump
Speaker 3: to get Josh Bell, and Watson just made it to
Speaker 3: the big leagues. Like this past week has put up
Speaker 3: very good numbers in the upper miners, but there is
Speaker 3: underlying strikeout issues.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 3: Used to be a shortstop and now he's more of
Speaker 3: a corner outfielder. So we'll see how that goes. Like.
Speaker 3: The jury is still out on Watson as a big leaguer,
Speaker 3: but more likely than that he's gonna be a part
Speaker 3: time player and one who is gonna have some severe
Speaker 3: limitations in terms of just making contact and getting on base.
Speaker 3: They traded I remember Marco Vargas, Marco Vargas and Ronald Hernandez.
Speaker 3: I remember Alex Carver being quite high on Ronald Hernandez
Speaker 3: at the time. And those guys, I don't even need
Speaker 3: to check they're they're not there. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if either of them are in the Mets system right now.
Speaker 3: If they had, their careers have stalled quite a bit.
Speaker 4: That was nothing.
Speaker 3: They traded those two guys to get David Robertson. I
Speaker 3: remember it felt like an overpay at the time, and
Speaker 3: that's like it kind of looks like a lose lose trade.
Speaker 3: You know, the Marlins weren't too happy with Robertson, but
Speaker 3: the Mets aren't going to get anything out of that
Speaker 3: side of the deal, even though those guys looked very
Speaker 3: promising as teenagers when they were in the Complex League.
Speaker 3: And I think that covers most of it in from
Speaker 3: the actual prospect capital that they parted with at the time,
Speaker 3: where it really at the time, it did feel like
Speaker 3: it hurt them.
Speaker 4: It did put them in that situation that.
Speaker 3: Made their outlook look so gloomy that they were willing
Speaker 3: to part ways with Kim Ng and look for somebody
Speaker 3: else to rebuild that system. So those are both sides
Speaker 3: of it where you don't I would be very surprised
Speaker 3: to see them dealing that many notable prospects at a
Speaker 3: time this time around. But the thing is they do
Speaker 3: have higher quality players available where they could trade a
Speaker 3: smaller number of them, and if they are going to
Speaker 3: do so, that would bring back guys that could really
Speaker 3: change the ceiling of this current team here.
Speaker 4: And now.
Speaker 2: The other aspect of that when it comes to trading
Speaker 2: Kevin mentioned this earlier, is we kind of know what
Speaker 2: they need already. It's not bullpen, it's not the middle endfield.
Speaker 2: I would argue you don't really need a first baseman,
Speaker 2: depending how you feel with Kyle Sowers moving there, which
Speaker 2: I'm kind of for the experiment. As long as he
Speaker 2: hits and can play adequate at first base and catch
Speaker 2: the ball, maybe that's a move that's permanent. For me.
Speaker 2: It's third base, and it's the rotation. And when I
Speaker 2: look at a third base trade chips around Major League Baseball,
Speaker 2: there's a couple that come to mind. Number One, Matt Chapman.
Speaker 2: Matt Chapman in San Francisco. San Francisco is not going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Now here's the question, do you want to take on salary?
Speaker 2: Because he does have a very expensive contract. San Francisco
Speaker 2: is going to be wanting prospects capital in order to
Speaker 2: offset the salary if the Giants pay for it, or
Speaker 2: does Miami take on some payroll. And that's another aspect
Speaker 2: of this trade deadline that they're going to have to
Speaker 2: work around when it comes to these expiring contracts or
Speaker 2: more expensive rentals, is how much prospect capital are you
Speaker 2: going to pay in order to buide that salary because
Speaker 2: right now the Marlins are in a pretty good position
Speaker 2: to take on some payroll. I think that's been the
Speaker 2: story for the last few years, to be quite honest
Speaker 2: with you. There's another player. I don't know if he'll
Speaker 2: be available, but again we're talking about this a month away,
Speaker 2: and it just lines up for me with where the
Speaker 2: Marlins are going as an organization with this current window.
Speaker 2: And that's Josh Young of the Texas Rangers. Controllable has
Speaker 2: two more additional years of control. He's been really good
Speaker 2: this season, hitting two ninety three eight bombs, thirty one
Speaker 2: RBIs ops, approaching eight hundred, and he's having the best
Speaker 2: season of his career. Now, does Texas feel like they're
Speaker 2: in a position to they themselves buy at the deadline?
Speaker 2: That Al West is very tight. Maybe, but let's say
Speaker 2: they lose, you know, go on a losing streak here.
Speaker 2: I know they just swept Toronto, but again, anything can happen.
Speaker 2: Miami could go in and get their third baseman for
Speaker 2: the next two years and forget about it, set and forget.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I want to see is
Speaker 2: controllable players where it's not just a rental because so
Speaker 2: many times rentals just don't work out. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at Seattle with you Hennios Frez, he just wasn't good
Speaker 2: after he moved on from Arizona and then signs elsewhere.
Speaker 2: So what do you guys feel about potentially getting Josh
Speaker 2: Young and just him being the third baseman of the
Speaker 2: foreseeable future because he's cheap, he's affordable, and it's what.
Speaker 1: The Marlins would need real quick. With Chapman, I don't
Speaker 1: think many people know this. Matt Chapman has a no
Speaker 1: trade clause. So regardless of the Marlins have the capital
Speaker 1: they want to take on the money, Matt Chapman has
Speaker 1: to say he wants to be a Miami Marlin. The
Speaker 1: likelihood of that happening, I would have to him was
Speaker 1: pretty low right now. Although and he's really like offensively,
Speaker 1: he just has not been great. He got off to
Speaker 1: a terrible star, then he really heated up, which really
Speaker 1: boosted up the numbers. And he's kind of in this
Speaker 1: weird spot you know right here, and when jung with
Speaker 1: Josh Young, like it's another weird guy because like you noted,
Speaker 1: two years of control Young, play good player. I think
Speaker 1: this is one where you just have to wait and
Speaker 1: see if they want to move on and if they
Speaker 1: even have someone in the minor leagues ready to kind
Speaker 1: of either replace him or they think they have someone
Speaker 1: ready there that will take up that spot. Because if,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, two years of control, this is a
Speaker 1: pretty high draftic. If I recall from the Rangers back
Speaker 1: in the time, back when they did make the selection,
Speaker 1: this is a good player they really like. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they like him. I believe they actually hit a home
Speaker 1: er in the series against the Marlins like this is
Speaker 1: this is a good option, but it'll definitely be a
Speaker 1: lot more on the prospects side than what I would think,
Speaker 1: like a Matt Chapman would do. I think the two
Speaker 1: names that I'm gonna mention real quick, he's not good.
Speaker 1: There you go, you sak Peretti's he lie lines up perfectly.
Speaker 1: One year deal, one year left on the deal. He
Speaker 1: has a club option for twenty twenty seven. So if
Speaker 1: the models say, hey, let's just ride out the year,
Speaker 1: see what happens, they're not. You know, he was fine,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to take on. I think it's
Speaker 1: like thirteen million for the next year. They could just
Speaker 1: decline it and that's it. That's it, move on and
Speaker 1: that's it. You know how to do the payroll. He
Speaker 1: slid player definitely add some juice to the lineup, which
Speaker 1: you really need. I think anytime you can add power
Speaker 1: to the line if you do it. He's not striking
Speaker 1: out a lot either, he's walking a lot too. I
Speaker 1: like Perettis defensively, he won't provide too much value there,
Speaker 1: but I think sometimes you could just sacrifice the defense
Speaker 1: to gain more offense, and that's what Paritis would be doing.
Speaker 1: He could play a little bit of first base. He
Speaker 1: could fill out the dhrol if ever needed. So I
Speaker 1: think people need to know this, like the Marlins at
Speaker 1: third base the season offensively are the worst team in baseball.
Speaker 1: It's like a forty something WRC plus. It probably went down,
Speaker 1: Actually it probably went up because Grandpaly helped you out
Speaker 1: this weekend. But the other nam I'll mention is Eli
Speaker 1: brought this from up and I'll let Eli talk more
Speaker 1: about this. JB. Crawford of the Mariners, the Marriagers aren't
Speaker 1: in no position to sell, but but they currently have
Speaker 1: this guy named Cole Emerson playing shortstop, which is shift.
Speaker 1: JP Crawford over the third base, and Brendan Donovan is
Speaker 1: coming back, so it's it's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: weird spot. Crawford's not making a lot. I think he's
Speaker 1: only making twelve million dollars this season, and the Martins
Speaker 1: obviously won't have to pay the whole thing, And I
Speaker 1: think it would be a low cost guy like you
Speaker 1: don't have trade a lot. He walks a lot, gets
Speaker 1: on base, doesn't really steal a lot of bas it's
Speaker 1: actually do just barely steal, which I was surprised to
Speaker 1: see when I looked at it. But you can hit
Speaker 1: for some power and he's an everyday player, so I
Speaker 1: think that'll be a solid option. So so those are
Speaker 1: the two third basement I was thinking. Obviously, Chapman is
Speaker 1: the one that comes to mind, but again he has
Speaker 1: to accept the trade to Miami to even make that possible.
Speaker 3: Right, So, as much as it is fun to dream
Speaker 3: about these guys that are both good and controllable for
Speaker 3: multiple years, just history says that those guys rarely get
Speaker 3: moved at the deadline. You could, you could take it out,
Speaker 3: especially if you look beyond more than two years of control.
Speaker 3: It's almost unheard of for those guys to move just
Speaker 3: because of the all the ramifications of those decisions that
Speaker 3: he usually waits until the off season. It's it's why
Speaker 3: like when Juan Soto gets traded, it's one of the
Speaker 3: craziest events ever transactionally, and there have been a few
Speaker 3: since then, where like the Rafael Devers one was fair polarizing,
Speaker 3: where it was a guy that theoretically was in his prime,
Speaker 3: he had all these years of control. He was just
Speaker 3: so expensive at the time, and a guy that doesn't
Speaker 3: traditionally age as well as you'd probably want. Where there
Speaker 3: was enough risk involved in that to kind of push
Speaker 3: it over the finish line, and that got some point
Speaker 3: where both teams early on seem to be regretting that
Speaker 3: particular trade. Just doesn't happen very often with that, which
Speaker 3: is why my focus goes very modestly to those who
Speaker 3: are pending free agents, like JP Crawford, who I think,
Speaker 3: just to emphasize what Kevin was mentioning, I think he
Speaker 3: barely have to give up much of anything at all
Speaker 3: for a guy to especially if you take on the
Speaker 3: rest of his money. I think his salary this year
Speaker 3: is twelve million, so at this I want to get
Speaker 3: to the deadline, it's only going to be less than
Speaker 3: four million so left for this year, which even for
Speaker 3: the Marlins is a very managuable sum for a guy that,
Speaker 3: aside from being adaptable to play third base and aside
Speaker 3: from being just consistently very disciplined at the plate, has
Speaker 3: he can move over to shortstop if anything, God forbid,
Speaker 3: goes wrong with Otto Lopez. I mean, think about it
Speaker 3: right now. If Otto he's been playing a actually every
Speaker 3: single game this year, and what happens if he gets hurt?
Speaker 4: What would they do?
Speaker 3: I guess it'd be very reliant all of a sudden
Speaker 3: on Javiers and Oha. The options in Triple A are
Speaker 3: not particularly good right there for a team that I
Speaker 3: think has to be not only thinking about improving as
Speaker 3: an overall team, but also needs to make sure that
Speaker 3: they have the depth to weather any sort of injury
Speaker 3: setbacks to any position as a year goes on. I
Speaker 3: don't think they're really well set up right now to
Speaker 3: handle an injury to Auto in particular, and so getting
Speaker 3: somebody like Crawford would really help with that. And maybe
Speaker 3: you give up one of your top thirty prospects in
Speaker 3: that kind of trade. That again, that's the benefit of
Speaker 3: trading for pending free agent, a guy who's a little
Speaker 3: bit past his prime in the process, but still does
Speaker 3: enough things well that you can see a scenario where
Speaker 3: for a couple months at a time he has a
Speaker 3: three point fifty on base percentage and provides a win
Speaker 3: or a win and a half in value and actually
Speaker 3: makes a difference in a playoff push. In the comments,
Speaker 3: somebody brought up even a more modest version of that,
Speaker 3: au Henio Suarez, who just last year he was one
Speaker 3: of the sexiest names on the He was the sexiest
Speaker 3: third basement the market last year, if not one of
Speaker 3: the sexiest trade candidates overall last year when he ended
Speaker 3: up hitting forty seven, forty nine home runs, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: and he was on an even better pace with the
Speaker 3: d decks before the trade deadline. And this year he's
Speaker 3: a very volatile player, has seen this year where he's
Speaker 3: having one of the worst years of his career offensively.
Speaker 3: But that's the kind of guy that, given his track
Speaker 3: rider is very recent track record of being one of
Speaker 3: the preeminent sluggers in all of baseball. I don't think
Speaker 3: you can overlook that, especially at the Reds fade. They're
Speaker 3: in this position where I think it's more likely than
Speaker 3: not that they're going to be sellers. It's a little
Speaker 3: too early to.
Speaker 4: Say either way.
Speaker 3: The same exact same scenario as Josh Young, where I
Speaker 3: think it's he could really go either way in terms
Speaker 3: of his availability. But Suarez, because of how much he's
Speaker 3: struggling this year and because of the fact that there's
Speaker 3: no control of him beyond this year, that's a guy
Speaker 3: that would be available. That's a guy that, for what
Speaker 3: it's worth, has the certain intangibles, a guy that I
Speaker 3: think has an amazing reputation as a teammates, and he
Speaker 3: has been a part of a lot of contending teams.
Speaker 4: In the past.
Speaker 3: I don't want to totally overlook him in that discussion either.
Speaker 3: And then ultimately we spent a lot of time on
Speaker 3: third baseman. But it is worth mentioning that, yes, granm
Speaker 3: paully just got called up and when his last season
Speaker 3: falled a very similar cycle where it didn't hit early on,
Speaker 3: got sent down to Jacksonville, came back up and just
Speaker 3: was a very good all around player for the middle
Speaker 3: of last season. So when you make this trade, we
Speaker 3: just want to feel pretty confident that whoever you're bringing
Speaker 3: in is going to be an upgrade over that. I'm
Speaker 3: of the opinion that they should invest in some other
Speaker 3: third baseman. It's just that I can also see the
Speaker 3: other side of it, just not having too short of
Speaker 3: a memory and thinking back to what we thought about
Speaker 3: Grand Polly at essentially this time last year, when he
Speaker 3: was playing third on a pretty consistent basis and doing
Speaker 3: well both offensively and defensively. Like, I'm open to hearing
Speaker 3: the other side of that that maybe, even though the
Speaker 3: other to this point in the season, third base has
Speaker 3: been a big weakness, but maybe Paully is not the
Speaker 3: worst possible. Sticking with Paully necessarily isn't the worst thing
Speaker 3: in the world if they don't get the value of
Speaker 3: one for any of these trade candidates.
Speaker 2: And I think last year, if you had told me
Speaker 2: that Grand Pauli was going to continue the trajectory he
Speaker 2: would be for this season compared to last season, I
Speaker 2: would have been fine with Pauli being the name at
Speaker 2: third base. In the offseason, I said the same thing.
Speaker 2: I wanted Grand Paula to be the starter because his
Speaker 2: defense was so elite.
Speaker 4: Last year.
Speaker 2: Now, remember, teams value that at the hot corner. Actually,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati made a trade at the deadline with the Indivision
Speaker 2: rival for the Pirates Geek to acquire key Brian Hayes,
Speaker 2: who notoriously has been elite defensively at the hot corner,
Speaker 2: but he can't hit at all.
Speaker 4: And then there.
Speaker 2: Came a year this year in particular, where the glove
Speaker 2: finally started to slow down and the bat was so bad.
Speaker 2: Reds fans are saying, get this guy off the team,
Speaker 2: but they traded for him at the deadline last year
Speaker 2: to try to make a playoff push because that left
Speaker 2: side of the infield was so bad. So for me,
Speaker 2: I thought, okay, if Grand PAULI can play elite defense,
Speaker 2: whatever happens with the bat, I'll take. Kind of like
Speaker 2: Joe Mack. He's there for his defense. As long as
Speaker 2: he hits semi enough, you're gonna be happy with him.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a positive war player. And that has
Speaker 2: not been the case with Polly defensively this year.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The playing time has been inconsistent, but the metrics indicate
Speaker 2: he just isn't the level of defender that he was
Speaker 2: last year and that I expected him to be coming
Speaker 2: into this season. Because if he was, I'm of the
Speaker 2: opinion that you that you just can ride it out
Speaker 2: with Polly and you know, hope the bat makes progress
Speaker 2: because he could. He does get in these hot streaks
Speaker 2: and real quick. ELI wanted to mention with you, Hennio Scorrez.
Speaker 2: He does have a mutual option next year, but it's
Speaker 2: for fifteen million dollars or sixteen million dollars. And then
Speaker 2: you look at the metrics behind his bat. If he's
Speaker 2: not hitting for power in Cincinnati like Miami, would be
Speaker 2: even worse. I mean, his power has dropped off significantly,
Speaker 2: whereas last year he was a forty eight, forty nine
Speaker 2: home run guy. I know it was in Arizona, but
Speaker 2: I would have felt more comfortable not for Thomas White.
Speaker 4: Though not for Thomas.
Speaker 2: White for the record, but Uhennios Los last year was
Speaker 2: a much more attractive option than he is this season.
Speaker 2: In particular, just because the power, which has been his
Speaker 2: calling card his entire career, it seems like it's just
Speaker 2: kind of falling off. He's not hitting the ball hard.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been a weird development to see Suarez,
Speaker 2: of all people in Cincinnati struggle in the power department.
Speaker 1: One name I want to mention on the pitching side,
Speaker 1: and this would how like this could be a conversation
Speaker 1: we'd have towards the end of July if if the
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks continue to slip away. They're currently three games out
Speaker 1: of it, so and that and that that three games
Speaker 1: continues to become a little bit more now or means more.
Speaker 1: But Michael Soroka would be a great option for this one.
Speaker 1: So I mean's on an expiring contract. He's been actually
Speaker 1: really good, Like this is like the Soroka that the
Speaker 1: braid that we saw with the Braves. He has a
Speaker 1: three zero r, a two nine to four FIP. He's
Speaker 1: barely walking anybody, the lowest walk walk per nine of
Speaker 1: his career. You know. Like he's a good, solid pitcher
Speaker 1: and if they need pitching, that's the guy to go after.
Speaker 1: And I think this is the guy who's been moved
Speaker 1: so many times already. He goes with the Cubs. I
Speaker 1: believe he got traded to the Nationals at one point
Speaker 1: or signed with the Nationals. Something happened there. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, I think that's a solid option. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's one that's actually been brought up yet. The
Speaker 1: only other name I'd mentioned on the reliever side of
Speaker 1: the Marbins were to ever actually commit money to one,
Speaker 1: would be Luke Weaver. That dude's been nasty as hell
Speaker 1: this year. I think it's unlikely. That would also have
Speaker 1: to be like you're thinking about twenty twenty seven, assuming
Speaker 1: Fairbanks wouldn't return to the Marrow, and so that's the
Speaker 1: kind of reliever salary that you put on there. It's
Speaker 1: very similar to Fairbanks. You'd be making twelve million, Fairbanks
Speaker 1: just making one million more. So that's the only the
Speaker 1: name I threw out there. But Sorok I would like
Speaker 1: on the starting pitching side. I know Lewis wrote about
Speaker 1: Robbie Ray. Let's be very clear, no Joe Ryan, no
Speaker 1: Trek Scoogles. You will never hear those names after I
Speaker 1: just mentioned them. But they're they're gonna need to find
Speaker 1: something out in the trade deadline as a starter. I
Speaker 1: know Steth Lougo Waka are also two names that could
Speaker 1: be other potential options for this team. We'll definitely find
Speaker 1: out more, I think within the next two weeks during
Speaker 1: the All Star break where the Marnins really stand because
Speaker 1: it's not easy from here. The four against the Rockies,
Speaker 1: and you never know what happens in course field. Then
Speaker 1: you have to play a team in the as that
Speaker 1: they could hit man, they could hit for power. And
Speaker 1: then after that it's it's Seattle and Cleveland, two very
Speaker 1: good teams. So it's it's this is a super important
Speaker 1: stretch here right before the All Star break.
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Speaker 2: There's a name I want to mention before we talk
Speaker 2: about the Colorado Rockies series that I'm surprised I haven't
Speaker 2: heard anyone mention really in the last couple of weeks
Speaker 2: once the Marlins started this hot streak. He is an
Speaker 2: impending free agent on a team that has just gotten swept.
Speaker 2: I know they were expected to be contenders, and that's
Speaker 2: the Toronto Blue Jays. The Toronto blue Jays are having
Speaker 2: a down year and they could consider selling. Kevin Gosman
Speaker 2: is a free agent after this year. He's an impending
Speaker 2: free agent, would be a rental, and I know there's
Speaker 2: some inconsistency with his game. He can have eight shutout,
Speaker 2: he could go six and give up seven runs. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of you know mixed results, but I think
Speaker 2: it's fair to say that's he would be a huge
Speaker 2: boost to this particular rotation what the Marlins need, and
Speaker 2: he wouldn't cost a ton. I mean, he would cost
Speaker 2: a couple prospects, but because of his contract situation. I
Speaker 2: just wanted to get your thoughts on gosman Eli before
Speaker 2: we move on.
Speaker 3: I think as a player, I do like him quite
Speaker 3: a bit, and his durability has been under the radar,
Speaker 3: inspiring the last for so much of his career. Ever
Speaker 3: since signing with Toronto. Maybe he hasn't been on the IL.
Speaker 3: I don't think a single time during all of his
Speaker 3: years there. This wrapping up his fifth year now, and
Speaker 3: he's a guy that goes without saying now. Has some
Speaker 3: high quality playoff experience, including last year as deep a
Speaker 3: run as they went on, he was pretty integral to
Speaker 3: them getting that far. He made six appearances in five
Speaker 3: starts during that playoff run. He is an older pitcher
Speaker 3: where even though you have an amazing track record a durability,
Speaker 3: he kind of have that reputation until you don't like
Speaker 3: very Suddenly that can that narrative can flip on you.
Speaker 3: So it makes me a little bit nervous there, except
Speaker 3: for the fact that, as you mentioned, it's no strings
Speaker 3: attached beyond this year. That this is a situation where
Speaker 3: it's to me, it's desirable to have a player like
Speaker 3: this who's about to be a free agent, because you
Speaker 3: don't want to be on the hook for a very
Speaker 3: big number, a guy that makes about twenty two million
Speaker 3: dollars a year. You don't be on the hook for
Speaker 3: that for any full season if you're the Marlins. Just
Speaker 3: knowing how limited the resources are as a whole with him,
Speaker 3: the other pretty big factor.
Speaker 4: Actually, i'll correct myself right here.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that he would have like ten
Speaker 3: in five rights that as a player that had spent
Speaker 3: ten years in the big leagues and five with his
Speaker 3: current team, he'd be have full no trade protection. So
Speaker 3: the thing is he hasn't spent five fold years of
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays yet he's in the middle of that
Speaker 3: fifth year, so he is in that sweet spot where
Speaker 3: it's kind of out of his hands in order to
Speaker 3: make that deal. At the same time, as bad as
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays have been relative to expectations, I don't
Speaker 3: think they're gonna throw in the towel. Part of that
Speaker 3: is just because of how mediocre all the American League is.
Speaker 3: Like I can double check right now things are going
Speaker 3: there for the blue Jays. Two and a half back
Speaker 3: of a wild card spot for the blue Jays right now, So.
Speaker 4: The record is hideous.
Speaker 3: At the same time, there's no there's nobody pulling away
Speaker 3: in the AL. I mean, we kind of can say
Speaker 3: that about the National League too, but it's even more
Speaker 3: extreme in the AL, where that their roster is still
Speaker 3: really talented. They themselves if they're going to get back
Speaker 3: into it. I know that they've had a series of
Speaker 3: starting pitching setbacks, so I think that's kind of the
Speaker 3: area where they're least likely to trade away. I think
Speaker 3: it is worth bringing up, really any of these any
Speaker 3: pending for agent on a team that's significantly worse record
Speaker 3: wise than the Marlins are right now. Like, I think
Speaker 3: it's totally fine to bring him up. I just think
Speaker 3: it's a long shot that they move him in this situation,
Speaker 3: as as bad as things have been for them recently.
Speaker 2: Kevin, any thoughts on the trade deadline before we talk
Speaker 2: about the Rockies.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, I mean with Gosman, it kind of goes
Speaker 1: back to like the Soroka thing. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: wait maybe a couple more weeks to really make a
Speaker 1: full on assessment there. And I find it hard that
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays will sell they're I think they have
Speaker 1: good players, You're good enough team. Every team runs into
Speaker 1: a bad patch of games or losing straight. We saw
Speaker 1: that with the Marlins earlier this season. A lot of
Speaker 1: teams go through this. I'm sure they'll bounce back and
Speaker 1: they'll be in a better position. It's a little tough
Speaker 1: for obviously now because the Rays are in there and
Speaker 1: the Yankees have been really good this year, So those
Speaker 1: are somethings to keep in mind. But I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I think we're not gonna
Speaker 1: make a great assessment on this situation until like two
Speaker 1: weeks from now, until we're in the All Star break.
Speaker 1: We're I think we could finally start saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: like here we go, this is this is real now,
Speaker 1: Like it feels real at the moment because the Marlins
Speaker 1: are a really good spot and the Padres just lost too,
Speaker 1: So now they're tied with the Padres uh and the
Speaker 1: standings like exactly tied with the five twenty four one
Speaker 1: percentage so not just a matter of waiting and seeing
Speaker 1: what happens and seeing how everything plays out. Although I
Speaker 1: will say the National League is kind of beginning to
Speaker 1: take more shape than the American League. So I think
Speaker 1: if you're gonna start working the phones, you start with
Speaker 1: the National League teams like the Rock He's the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Mets, Shoot, the Diamondbacks are gonna get there soon.
Speaker 1: One name I would love to mention really quick, I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what contract situation it is, really quickly
Speaker 1: get third base Nolan Arenaw. It's kind of like rejuvenated
Speaker 1: himself with the Dimonbacks. I don't know that's still the case,
Speaker 1: but you know, it would be like a nice little
Speaker 1: cool thing for him. He again, he would have to
Speaker 1: accept the trade to the Marlins, so that makes it
Speaker 1: a little bit tougher. But he is a Cuban American
Speaker 1: or son of Cuban parents, so I guess somewhat cool there.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's he's all. He's been a great
Speaker 1: Defender's old care No, definitely help on the defensive, and
Speaker 1: I don't know exact what the offensive numbers look like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, exactly So yeah.
Speaker 3: For a minute, are not was looking great offensively when
Speaker 3: in like the middle of May, the middle of April,
Speaker 3: late April, early May, and now he's kind of back
Speaker 3: more or less to who's been the past couple of
Speaker 3: years with Oh, I.
Speaker 4: Don't I don't think so.
Speaker 3: That's another guy where you're relying a lot on the
Speaker 3: intangibles and depending on how you value his defense. Not
Speaker 3: a crazy thing again, just to I think one thing
Speaker 3: we should really underscore is that, especially if you get
Speaker 3: a right handed hitter, I think that is specifically a
Speaker 3: good fit for this team. Like today's game kind of
Speaker 3: being underlining the lack of quality right handed hitting options
Speaker 3: that they have either on the bench or to platoon
Speaker 3: in certain situations. So whenever it's a right handed hitter,
Speaker 3: I'm going to give them like extra consideration. That's kind
Speaker 3: of why I brought up Suarez despite his bad year.
Speaker 3: That's why I think even are not despite being very
Speaker 3: clearly in decline at this point, is I think that
Speaker 3: would make a more well rounded roster. You're just looking
Speaker 3: for a right handed hitter that can offer more than
Speaker 3: Leo Jimenez. Don't mean to continue picking on him, It's
Speaker 3: just that now he kind of does stick out like
Speaker 3: a sore thumb in terms of the weakest link on
Speaker 3: this roster, and if they could get any third baseman,
Speaker 3: any even a variety of positions that is, a right
Speaker 3: handed hitter that has either more power or more speed
Speaker 3: or more of both. It's really not that rare to
Speaker 3: find a guy with potentially more of both than Jimenez
Speaker 3: than I think that's just a there's a wide variety
Speaker 3: you guys available that can fit that very that can
Speaker 3: clear the Jimenez threshold. So to me, that is in
Speaker 3: addition to starting pitching.
Speaker 4: We touched on that.
Speaker 3: I think that continues to be that'll have to be
Speaker 3: the priority, especially if there's I think, no matter what
Speaker 3: at this point, it's it's clear that they're going to
Speaker 3: need one more starter of some kind that they can
Speaker 3: trust to eat endings down the stretch. That those are
Speaker 3: really the two buckets that I look at, starting pitchers
Speaker 3: and any sort of right handed hitter.
Speaker 1: And really quick like the Nation, I say that the
Speaker 1: National League's beginning to take shape, because like three games
Speaker 1: out at this point is quite a bit. You have
Speaker 1: to jump one, two, three, four teams, including the two
Speaker 1: at the top, you know, the second and third wildcard
Speaker 1: team because those aren't. I don't think those are locks
Speaker 1: by any means yet. I think the Phillies at this
Speaker 1: point you may as well just say that they are
Speaker 1: going to be the first wildcard and who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: even fighting for the Braves or the division title at
Speaker 1: this point. So, uh, three games out feels like a
Speaker 1: little a good bit and Diamonds have lost three straight.
Speaker 1: Pirates and Natch are the two teams that you have
Speaker 1: to kind of look out for and see, like, let's
Speaker 1: see what happens here within the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But the Marlins aren't a really good spot to where
Speaker 1: they could say, hey, let's let's go out here, let's
Speaker 1: get a starting pitcher, let's get a third basement, maybe
Speaker 1: want two bats and a starter, and see what happens.
Speaker 2: The next stop for the Marlins on this road trip,
Speaker 2: it's a rare, rare occasion where you play a game
Speaker 2: every single day. This week they're going to Course Field
Speaker 2: for four game set against the Rockies. Old friend Troy
Speaker 2: Johnston gets to see him again, and guys, he's heaving
Speaker 2: himself a hell of a year. He's second in Major
Speaker 2: League Baseball in doubles with twenty two. Right Pye Roffee
Speaker 2: Devers hitting three point fifteen ops comfortably in the eight hundreds,
Speaker 2: and now he's played in a lot of games Troy
Speaker 2: but gets pinch hit for a lot, so just two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty at bats, but it's still a really
Speaker 2: good number for a player that just the Marlins didn't
Speaker 2: want to give him a shot. They let him go.
Speaker 2: The Rockies picked him up, and they have some pieces
Speaker 2: eli this Rockies team. They're not good by any means.
Speaker 2: They're thirty three and fifty one, they're gonna finish last
Speaker 2: in the in the National League West. But offensively they
Speaker 2: have some real standout players.
Speaker 4: You have TJ.
Speaker 2: Rumfield, who's played a lot for them. They're catcher Hunter Goodman,
Speaker 2: who's an absolute power threat. He's on track to hit
Speaker 2: around forty home runs, if not more. He's and he's
Speaker 2: hurt the Marlins historically throughout his young career. This Rockies team,
Speaker 2: you can't go into coors Field and just expect to
Speaker 2: walk all over for them, because again, this is an
Speaker 2: offensive ballpark with a lot of offensive, offensively minded players.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a fun series.
Speaker 3: A fun series. I'll mention it now, I'll reierate it.
Speaker 3: Later before predicting time. That is a four game series,
Speaker 3: the first four game series in a while for this team.
Speaker 3: So that's I guess Marlins fans their first instinct is
Speaker 3: that's a blessing because you're playing as many games as
Speaker 3: possible against a team that has one of the very
Speaker 3: worst records in the majors.
Speaker 4: That seems good.
Speaker 3: As you laid out, they are better than they were
Speaker 3: last year. The last season they were a team that
Speaker 3: flirted with the record for losses in a single season
Speaker 3: and so many games that were just completely non competitive
Speaker 3: and then got blown out. So that's really the difference
Speaker 3: between last year and this year is that they're competitive
Speaker 3: in almost every single game. Occasionally they're starting pitching really
Speaker 3: sinks them early on, but more often than not they
Speaker 3: are still alive in these later endings. They do have
Speaker 3: some legit lineup depth. Troy's as a big part of
Speaker 3: that kind of as you alluded to, they are platooning
Speaker 3: him pretty strictly, so they are kept managing him very
Speaker 3: much like the Marlins did, where it's somewhat unusual for
Speaker 3: him to play an entire game start to finish just
Speaker 3: because once a left he comes in to face him
Speaker 3: they'll usually go to the bench and look for somebody else,
Speaker 3: and if there's a LEFTI starting the game, then he
Speaker 3: often won't be in there in the first place. You
Speaker 3: would think this is a good series for him because
Speaker 3: the Martins don't have any lefty starters, so he could
Speaker 3: be in the lineup for all four of these upcoming games.
Speaker 3: A revenge series against a team that gave him the
Speaker 3: first opportunity in the big league level, but it was
Speaker 3: a very belated opportunity. They really made him earn it
Speaker 3: down in the minors and bide his time before finally
Speaker 3: getting called up.
Speaker 4: So it just happen to see him succeed.
Speaker 3: Not the star of this team you mentioned him already,
Speaker 3: Goodman is the one that really sticks out where he
Speaker 3: had a great year last season and now I think
Speaker 3: just recently a three home run game that now puts
Speaker 3: him well ahead of even that pace. Right now, he's
Speaker 3: he's like a very legitimate All Star at a time
Speaker 3: where the catcher position is kind of wide open across baseball,
Speaker 3: Like he's kind of staking his claim to being in
Speaker 3: the conversation for best of that position with how well
Speaker 3: he is offensively.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as a team overall, though, they're still pretty limited. Again.
Speaker 4: It goes back to that starting pitching thing. Relatively weak.
Speaker 3: There's not a single starter that you could comfortably say
Speaker 3: is even an average quality starter that they have in
Speaker 3: their rotation right now. So that's kind of the Marlins
Speaker 3: coming off a series where they didn't do particularly good offensively,
Speaker 3: this should be a get right series for their bats.
Speaker 3: As a team that puts a lot of balls in
Speaker 3: play to begin with. Then I'll go into a ballpark
Speaker 3: that rewards balls and play more than any other in
Speaker 3: course field. So this is going to be a very
Speaker 3: different type of series in the previous one. I think
Speaker 3: the Marlins are gonna win it. It's because they're averaging
Speaker 3: six seven runs a game at a minimum against Colorado in.
Speaker 1: The one Rockies pitcher that actually been really good for them,
Speaker 1: Chase Dolanders not for the year, so they're in a
Speaker 1: good spot. The Marlins are going into the course really
Speaker 1: quickly with Troy like, it's not like the course field
Speaker 1: effect where he's only hitting at home, like he has
Speaker 1: seven to seven the ops on the road and he's
Speaker 1: playing right now and he he already has an RBI,
Speaker 1: so I'm assuming he was a sack fly because he
Speaker 1: struck out twice. No, no, he has a two hit day,
Speaker 1: so good day for Troy on a Sunday. So yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he doubles on me, Chuck, Uh No, no, doubles,
Speaker 1: two singles, an RBI and two strikeouts. He must have
Speaker 1: played the whole game because clearly he put up a
Speaker 1: good amount of the bats. But uh, they'll get to
Speaker 1: I guess face former pitching coach alone like Himan, although
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a very good run for him over
Speaker 1: there so far, that they would be worst starting pitching
Speaker 1: the r A in baseball, and they are. They have
Speaker 1: the third worst Bullpenny r in baseball. I thought they
Speaker 1: had finally like solved a little bit of this pitching issue,
Speaker 1: but it seems like it really hasn't. They got off
Speaker 1: to like such a good start pitching, But I guess
Speaker 1: when you have like who do you who? Do they
Speaker 1: even have like Tomoyuki Suganas over there.
Speaker 4: With their pitching.
Speaker 2: The wheels have just completely fallen off this season for
Speaker 2: Kyle Freeland. Freeland has been a rocky for he's a
Speaker 2: but you look at the numbers. Fourteen starts, seven point
Speaker 2: five ERA opponents are hitting three to nineteen against him,
Speaker 2: and that's better than Michael Lorenzen, where opponents are hitting
Speaker 2: three thirty eight against Michael Lorenzen. I mean, they are
Speaker 2: getting absolutely crushed. And the good news for the Fish
Speaker 2: is that you are gonna face both of them. According
Speaker 2: to Fangraft's probable rotations. Of course, nothing's set in stone,
Speaker 2: but it looks like Freeland will start that second game
Speaker 2: and Lorenzen will start that Thursday Day game for for
Speaker 2: the Rockies. But yeah, this is a chance for Miami
Speaker 2: where they can go in and three out of four
Speaker 2: for me, at least is the minimum. If you're the
Speaker 2: Marlins at this point in the season, you gotta win
Speaker 2: three out of four minimum if you If you split,
Speaker 2: that's disappointing to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Freelan is starting the second game. It's a TBD
Speaker 1: for game one, and then for the third game it's
Speaker 1: Max Yukisugan know, and the Thursday, the finale, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Michael lorenzom so so they have to in the Marins.
Speaker 1: At the TVD, I just realized Sandy and Yurie are
Speaker 1: pitching in this series. Oh boy, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to feel about that. Two guys who well one guy
Speaker 1: who relies off the ground ball quite a bit. So
Speaker 1: we'll see and then we'll see where the Urie. I
Speaker 1: don't know how these guys actually pitched in Colorado. I
Speaker 1: think Yuri has I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I definitely, off the top of my head, remember a
Speaker 3: terrible Sandy starting course back in the day. But he,
Speaker 3: I mean, over all these years. I guess I can
Speaker 3: pull the numbers, but I don't think it's particularly important.
Speaker 3: I'll find other than I know you'll be able to
Speaker 3: find at least one like awful start where he went
Speaker 3: less than three innings and allowed at least seven eight
Speaker 3: runs Like it's as you point out, Yeah, with Sandy,
Speaker 3: even though he's he's been very good, especially of late,
Speaker 3: but he's still very reliant on balls and play. And
Speaker 3: one thing we kind of glossed over with the previous
Speaker 3: series is Marlins did play excellent defense.
Speaker 4: This past weekend.
Speaker 3: Really were pretty high up there in terms of overall defense,
Speaker 3: between Joe Mack and Jacob Marci and now Graham poly
Speaker 3: Ding back in the folds and Paully had a couple
Speaker 3: several great plays defensively at third base as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be there's a premium on defense when you
Speaker 3: play at course fields. So that's going to be Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be crucial to follow over these next few days.
Speaker 3: If they're able to do it like that, if they're
Speaker 3: able to get some surprising production from some of their
Speaker 3: other defenders that aren't as highly touted, that's that really
Speaker 3: makes a difference. That's what ends puts endings away, gets
Speaker 3: you out of jams versus what leads to crooked numbers
Speaker 3: going on this scoreboard. Like with Colorado, the margin for
Speaker 3: error is just really thin defensively because of how much
Speaker 3: ground you have to cover.
Speaker 1: Sing me up five six el for Sandy and Chors
Speaker 1: by the way, not great. So we'll see.
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Speaker 4: This is prediction time. That's my prediction, but who knows?
Speaker 3: Prediction time for this four game series against the Rockies. Yes,
Speaker 3: very important to note, not the usual three gamer that
Speaker 3: we've seen so often this season. Very hard to win
Speaker 3: any four game series, regardless of the opponent. There's a
Speaker 3: look at our prediction time leader board. A perfect series
Speaker 3: for Jeremiah has expanded his lead atop the standing Still
Speaker 3: so long to go, but we keep track of it
Speaker 3: all season long, from our fish on, first staffers, our
Speaker 3: super subs, our last team guests, and you get points
Speaker 3: for predicting how many games the Marlins will win in
Speaker 3: the series, who will be the series MVP, as determined
Speaker 3: by win probability. Added one more reminder four game series,
Speaker 3: picking four games instead of three. But other than that,
Speaker 3: I think we're all ready to go. So I'll turn
Speaker 3: on the music and I guess we'll start with Kevin.
Speaker 4: As we often do.
Speaker 1: Marlins will take three out of four in cores and
Speaker 1: I will never forget when Eli chows. I think it
Speaker 1: was Anthony Bassos the series MVP and coorps and he
Speaker 1: got it. So I'm gonna choose a pitcher. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Max Smeyer to be the series sevent I
Speaker 1: think you'll shove you will continue to only expand his case.
Speaker 4: That's who I should be an all star. I'll bring
Speaker 4: up myself next.
Speaker 3: We want to save the best for last, and jere
Speaker 3: Jeremiah has been the best at this, so I'll go
Speaker 3: with the series split. You really have to, so often
Speaker 3: these four game sets get split down the middle, regardless
Speaker 3: of other factors. So that's where I'll have it against
Speaker 3: this Rockies team. For my series MVP, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: with Uri Uri Perez. I've I was cautiously optimistic about
Speaker 3: what I was seeing right before he went down with
Speaker 3: his injury. Pretty good in his first start back from
Speaker 3: the IL, So I think Yuri is going to shove
Speaker 3: and at least that's one of the games of the
Speaker 3: Marlins takeaway. So I think that's gonna be the first
Speaker 3: time this season where I picked him as my MVP.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, two wins a piece for the Marlins
Speaker 3: and Rockies this current week.
Speaker 2: I said that in order to have a successful series
Speaker 2: at Courts, Marlins have to win the out of four.
Speaker 2: I really want to pick them to do, so I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be a series split through to two.
Speaker 2: This Rockies offense, it's a little bit scary. Cours always
Speaker 2: has some crazy games. I'm gonna go with former Marlin
Speaker 2: Troy Johnston as series MVP. It's gonna have a monster
Speaker 2: revenge series against this pitching staff.
Speaker 4: But Marlin's leaseplit.
Speaker 2: And that is going to do it. For today's stream,
Speaker 2: we recap the Marlins Cardinals series. Of course, talked about
Speaker 2: trade deadline targets. We still have a lot of time
Speaker 2: to go before the actual trade deadline that's gonna be
Speaker 2: August fourth, so plenty of time. There's gonna be new
Speaker 2: teams that fall in and out of contention. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun. But thank you guys for joining us today,
Speaker 2: and of course we will be back next week after
Speaker 2: the Colorado Series. For Eli Suspen, for Kevin Barrall. I've
Speaker 2: been Jeremih Geiger host in the stream until next time.
Speaker 4: Guys, stay safe and let's go fish