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Speaker 1: And welcome to Thursday's a Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on giants dot Com. He's Jeff Fiegles. I'm the Nines Meadow.

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Speaker 1: I am ready to rock and roll, Jeff, go and

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Speaker 1: have not I'll use you as the guinea pig, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: There you go? Yes, six four nine one? Oh? What's

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Speaker 1: but we could hash this out before we actually get

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Speaker 1: into giant stuff. I'll be more than happy. Beverly Hills nine. Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's what you were thinking. Yes, the zip code for

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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. Yes. Were you Brenda fan or a Brandon

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Speaker 1: fan from the show or I'm not not allowed to remember.

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Speaker 1: I just stood I throw out a question to see

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Speaker 1: maybe if you're a fan of the show or you

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Speaker 1: were just a fan of the zip code. The answer

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Speaker 1: is I'm a fan of the zip code. The show

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Speaker 1: got okay, but it's supposed to be coming back, isn't

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Speaker 1: it. It It already came back, so I wouldn't know. I

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Speaker 1: have not continued watching. Don't read into it. I'm being

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Speaker 1: honest here, I did watch it grown up. Okay, Now

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Speaker 1: that was spilling out all the skeletons in the closet.

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Speaker 1: Who would have thought that we'd start off with Beverly

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Speaker 1: Hills nine o two and oh, it's start Giants Crazy week,

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Speaker 1: So why not go in that direction. If you'd want

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Speaker 1: to weigh in on the show and whether or not

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Speaker 1: you grew up watching it, feel free to give us

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Speaker 1: a ring at two zero, or if you want to

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Speaker 1: talk to some Giants you can. Something tells me our

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Speaker 1: audience is not geared towards that subject matter, but once again,

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Speaker 1: you never know. So sa Kwan Barkley, both coordinators, spoke

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Speaker 1: earlier today. We'll get into that, and we'll also look

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Speaker 1: ahead to obviously the matchup between the Giants and the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 1: Is Daniel will be making his debut From what I've

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Speaker 1: been told, Yes, there is a game, Jeff. It's fascinating

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Speaker 1: you would think that all of a sudden, time stopped

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Speaker 1: giving the news this week. Sometimes you kind of hope

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Speaker 1: it would, so give Daniel Jones one more practice time. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that the Tampa Buccaneer is gonna have quite

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Speaker 1: the game plan in store, especially with the way that

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Speaker 1: by the way that defense is playing. Bays defense has

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Speaker 1: given up one touchdown in the first two games and

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Speaker 1: opponents are over six in the red zone. This is

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Speaker 1: an extremely underrated defense. Not identical to Buffalo, but it's

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Speaker 1: one of those defenses that I feel doesn't get enough

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Speaker 1: respect given how well that unit has been playing over

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Speaker 1: the first two games. You know, and Todd Bowles is

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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, Yeah, he probably knows a lot about

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Speaker 1: this Giant's team. That's a great point. And very young

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Speaker 1: an old an older team that he couldn't have shots

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Speaker 1: at getting some of these players. He was evaluating a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys that are on the team the

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Speaker 1: last two years, so he understands them. Todd Bowles is

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Speaker 1: a better defensive coordinator than he is a head coach.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, he's back with Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: and you know back in the day when uh they

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tough go for them. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: it's a shame because if you looked at real manning

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Speaker 1: looked at the damage, yeah, some big damage and um,

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Speaker 1: but defensively Okay. I said this with John on Monday. Winston,

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston is kind of like one of these little

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Speaker 1: Just because their offense hasn't lit up the scoreboard doesn't

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Speaker 1: I agree with you one that Winston is getting more

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Speaker 1: he throws three interceptions, two of which were returns for touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: The Thursday night game against the Panthers, Jeff clean football,

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Speaker 1: goes to show you that how good of a coach.

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Speaker 1: I think that this was one of the reasons they

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's so important that they go down there

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Speaker 1: just win. Win is like a Vitamin B twelve shot.

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Speaker 1: the guys can come back, and especially on the road,

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Speaker 1: So who helped groom James Betcher, Todd Bowles who has

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Speaker 1: they've gone their separate way since they've added their own

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Speaker 1: there's familiarity on both sides. And what's gonna be interesting,

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Speaker 1: Jeff is You've got Daniel Jones and Jamis Winston who

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Speaker 1: But who's going to have something that's a little bit

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Speaker 1: creative to catch the other quarterback off guard? That I

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Speaker 1: think is the game of chess. That's gonna be fascinating question.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, it's Tampa, Okay, because I feel like Tampa

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Speaker 1: has a more experienced defense. Okay, Um, they got JPP

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Speaker 1: number of proved veterage. The JPP sideline right now is

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Speaker 1: Shack Barrett the plethora weapon. They can they can do

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Speaker 1: That's the answer to your question. Yeah, no, And I'm

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Speaker 1: it doesn't lead to any positives you can means. I

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Speaker 1: simple game plan right there. It should be there. Now,

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Speaker 1: And if they can do that then then it will work. Well,

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Speaker 1: they did it against Christian McCaffrey last Thursday night. They

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Speaker 1: And now us that Thursday night stupid game, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why don't you tell us how you truly feel?

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Speaker 1: Does that happen? When does that happen on a Sunday

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Speaker 1: when you have full rest and the team is ready

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Speaker 1: wants to play him. Um, there's those those color rushing

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Speaker 1: pony show. I don't know about you. You know, tonight

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans and the Jacksonville Jaguars. A FC South battle

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Speaker 1: royale would be a great game. Well, but you're right

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Speaker 1: It it's just bassy to a guy McCaffrey who gets

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Speaker 1: getting ready to play for Thursday. Well, I mean he

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Speaker 1: just because think about it, James Betcher has a whole

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Speaker 1: different news staff now and he hasn't been able to

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Speaker 1: produce one more time. And I just feel like we

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Speaker 1: gave James Betcher the benefit of the doubt because he

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Speaker 1: had this elite defense or a really good defense, top

431
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Speaker 1: ten defense in Arizona. But the man and who really

432
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 1: designed that defense is right now across the field, and

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Speaker 1: I just think that, in my opinion, Betcher should be

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Speaker 1: on the hot seat and it's either put up or

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Speaker 1: shut up now for Becher. Um. One thing that I

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Speaker 1: didn't know and I was really mad about was the

437
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: fact that Baker doesn't jam people on the line. But

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Speaker 1: Baker never jam people on the line in College seat

439
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: I saw from College Highlights, and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this guy just quite pressed without actually pressing. That's his

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Speaker 1: and MO and I was like, man, the giants already noticed.

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00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 1: So it's not like he's messing up the Giants movies already,

443
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Speaker 1: and it's time for the Giants to just make things happen.

444
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 1: And it sounds of Betcher to make things happen. In

445
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Speaker 1: my opinion, he needs to show us that his defense

446
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Speaker 1: really about something Um, and that's that's pretty much that.

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Speaker 1: That's my point, guys, a great one. I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. I think with with with Betcher, is that

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Speaker 1: in my opinion for what it's worth. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: he kind of got a retreat back to basics and

451
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Speaker 1: just kind of maybe just kind of simplify things a

452
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Speaker 1: little bit for these guys and then take baby steps

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Speaker 1: back up into uh, into getting a little bit more complex.

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like good coaches adapt to their players

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Speaker 1: and their personnel even when things are going wrong. If you, um,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to continue to put in your defense

457
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Speaker 1: and the things are still continuing to to not go right,

458
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Speaker 1: then that's a little bit of narcissism. If you ask,

459
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Speaker 1: you gotta kind of come back and you gotta say, okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna we're just gonna simplify things here. Then we're

461
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Speaker 1: gonna build on that. And maybe if you have to

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Speaker 1: go back for defense and play the two deep and

463
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Speaker 1: just not let anybody get over the top of you

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Speaker 1: and give everybody any things underneath, and you know, um

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Speaker 1: do it. But I feel like those guys need a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a calm down. Let's just simplify things,

467
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Speaker 1: and you guys go out and play and react. Well.

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Speaker 1: The big debate in the National Football League, whether it

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Speaker 1: be on the offense or the defensive side of the ball,

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Speaker 1: Jeff is always as a coordinator, do you stick to

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Speaker 1: your scheme, which is what you were just saying, and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: the players are gonna have to buy into the scheme. Period.

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Speaker 1: That's my philosophy, because my scheme is worked and I

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Speaker 1: know it's effective. Or do you say, Okay, this guy

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily fit ideally into my scheme. Let's cater or

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Speaker 1: the scheme to the strange slash weaknesses of our places.

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Speaker 1: Understand that, But I feel like some guys a little

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Speaker 1: bit ignorant to the idea that when you don't have

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Speaker 1: a Chandler Jones, or you don't have a Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 1: or Tyron Matthew, Tyra Matthews, and you don't have these

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Speaker 1: guys that that were down there with Todd Bowles and

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Speaker 1: with James Becher, Um, you just can't just teleport they're

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Speaker 1: not here. So and and if you have players like that,

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Speaker 1: I would be happy as a clam. I could be

485
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Speaker 1: telling you right now, Like is Jabil Peppers, like the

486
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Speaker 1: Johnny Badger or is is you know, is DeAndre Baker

487
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Speaker 1: like Patrick Peterson or anything? I mean no, So it's

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Speaker 1: where's the Chandler Jones of this of this defense? In fact,

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Speaker 1: if I was asked you, Lance, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you would have the answer. What the what is the

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Speaker 1: identity of a James Betcher defense? For the Giants, not

492
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Speaker 1: for the pack, for the for the ariz and the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: We kind of knew it. Get after the quarterback pressure,

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Speaker 1: good corners, good safeties. I don't know what that is

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Speaker 1: for the defense? Is this defense? What is it? Well,

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Speaker 1: my answer would be what you'd just laid out. I

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Speaker 1: think that's been the staple of a James Betcher defense

498
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Speaker 1: slash Todd Bowles defense. Aggressiveness, good cover people on the

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Speaker 1: back end. But to your point, if you don't have

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Speaker 1: the personnel to meet that criteria, then it really doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter at the end of the day what the identity

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Speaker 1: of the unit is. Yeah, yeah, And I think they

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Speaker 1: need to find one sooner or later, and and and

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that they can do well, they have

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Speaker 1: to continue to do that well whatever it is, um,

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Speaker 1: but whatever you're not doing bad. I think that they've

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Speaker 1: try to improve on those and then try to a

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Speaker 1: semblance of a defense getting better week to week. Well,

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Speaker 1: and as far as the Kohler's point, listen, it's standing

510
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: the obvious. I think the defense is unnoticed. It's well documented, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: They've given up nine touchdowns. They've given up nine touchdown

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Speaker 1: drives of at least seventy yards. So you know, anybody

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Speaker 1: who's watched the first two games James Betcher included the

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Speaker 1: players they know performances to dress well aside from the yards, immediately,

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Speaker 1: in my mind, you know what goes in my mind immediately,

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Speaker 1: that's time of possession, big time, right airing down the

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Speaker 1: opposing defense line. Drives over seventy yards. Each one of

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Speaker 1: those drives has got to be at least five minutes. Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Cowboys ones were extremely lengthy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll bring up the time and the breakdown. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're holding onto the ball and you're going consistently

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Speaker 1: down the field, Jeff, seventy to eighty yards unless you

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Speaker 1: have one big fifty yard play, which granted the Bills

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Speaker 1: did with Cole Beasley, more often than not, you're milking

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Speaker 1: the clock. And what's the differences though, This goes back

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Speaker 1: to the offseason conversation, by the way, we had with

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Speaker 1: the Giants and a lot of people who listen and

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Speaker 1: interact with us, and we certainly always appreciate that the

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Speaker 1: debate about time of possession needs to improve, Jeff. Right,

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Speaker 1: because if you hold onto the ball, you're gonna rest

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Speaker 1: your defense. Well, if you don't score, I don't care

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Speaker 1: how long you held the ball. For the difference is

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Bills. Not only they're holding onto

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Speaker 1: the ball, Jeff, they're scoring. So one drive for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys four or forty seven, another one for fifty nine

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Speaker 1: sixty three, one eleven because there was a pretty quick

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Speaker 1: drive there, and then the one finally with Zeke when

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Speaker 1: he ran in was three fifty nine. So on average,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about four minutes, right for the most part.

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Speaker 1: And then if you look at what Buffalo did, and

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Speaker 1: Buffalo also put together a number of lengthy drives during

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Speaker 1: the course of their game. They had yard drive where

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Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton's had a great special teams play, so they

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Speaker 1: had one for let's see two twenty four. No I

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Speaker 1: checked that that was the Giants five six four fifty six,

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Speaker 1: six oh three. So their drives you could argue or

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Speaker 1: lengthier than the Cowboys four or four and a half

548
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Speaker 1: minutes on average for all nine of those drives. You know,

549
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Speaker 1: Time used to tell is all the time in our

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Speaker 1: special teams meetings on Fridays. He would come up, he

551
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Speaker 1: would have a stat meeting and he would go over

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Speaker 1: every every offense, defense, special team in some of the categories.

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Speaker 1: He did this while you were in the pool, right,

554
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Speaker 1: he was actually was in the meeting room. Are okay,

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Speaker 1: I thought that everybody Friday when everybody was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be in the meetings. Yeah. Um, But if you have

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00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: a punt that's inside the twenty yard line, the chances

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Speaker 1: of the team going on to score this is inside

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Speaker 1: the twenty is eleven eleven. Inside the tent it drops

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Speaker 1: down to six and the score like that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a touchdown or a field goal, whatever it is. So

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Speaker 1: meaning when you put a team in a position just

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Speaker 1: saying that they have to score, so I would say

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Speaker 1: inside the five is probably now going to be up

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Speaker 1: there in six percent, So so that that would that

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Speaker 1: would just kind of you know, this is what Tom

567
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Speaker 1: used to do. He used to to build the case.

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00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: Remember Tom Coffin been in football a long time, way

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Speaker 1: before analytics ever came along. And this was his analytics.

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Speaker 1: This was years ago that he used to tell us. Listen.

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Speaker 1: The other thing there used to happen to us that

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Speaker 1: I didn't like is that in the first half, if

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Speaker 1: we turned the ball over two times. He used to

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Speaker 1: tell us, if you're on the road and you turn

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Speaker 1: the ball over on the road more than two times,

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Speaker 1: you have a nine chance of losing. So I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: on a bench going, we're not winning this game because

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00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: you're looking up there like, oh, we already hit two.

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Speaker 1: We're screwed. Essentially, Yeah, we m just now just pack

580
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: up the bags, let's get out the flight early. But

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Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things you used to tell us,

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Speaker 1: and and I would be sitting on the sideline and

583
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: remembering those things, going, m we're in trouble now because

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00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: this is like a ninety seven percent chance that we're

585
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: gonna lose this game because we already have three turnovers,

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00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: you know well, And there's validity behind that, just like

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00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: we talked about turnover differentia dictates wins it loss. It does,

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Speaker 1: it really does. Let's head back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: We check in with Tony in d C. Tony, Welcome

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00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: aboard the Big Lue kick off Live. Hey Jens, take

591
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: him off call. You're just the two guys I wanted

592
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: to talk to. Well, you got good. We aim to please.

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Speaker 1: So what do you have? Thank you? Thank you so

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Speaker 1: so US three We spoke last summer, right after preseason,

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Speaker 1: before the regular season. The reason why I bring that

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Speaker 1: up is because, um, we were talking about how Getman

597
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: was scouring the waiver wire and how that wasn't good

598
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Speaker 1: because you know, the death wasn't great for the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen roster. But ultimately, and I don't agree

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Speaker 1: with everything that Gettman insure it does, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, all summer long, everyone called up the show

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Speaker 1: saying that that two thousand eighteen season was going to

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Speaker 1: be a make up break season for Eli. Let me

604
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: and let me get into why. On defense, he brought

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Speaker 1: back all the high dollar players that Jerry Reese had hired.

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00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: No Snacks, Jack Rabbiting, o V. You still had Landing College,

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00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: you still had Eli Apple, he still had Dalvin Thomlinson.

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Speaker 1: He brought in b J. Hill and Lorenzo Carter. On offense,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry on special teams. Rosas was expected to mature,

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Speaker 1: and he did. He went made the Pro Ball, and

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00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I think all Pro and all that. On offense, you

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00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: passed on a on a quarterback and got Sae Kwon. Okay,

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00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: fair enough. You brought you paid um Odell Beckham Jr.

614
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: You brought back Sternly Shepherd, you brought back Evan Ingram.

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00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: You're paid, and they soldier of fortune. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: go her Nandez. I mean so so so for people

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Speaker 1: to call up and say, well, he's not that ELI

618
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: hasn't been given a shot. I'm not saying all the

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Speaker 1: players worked out was sometimes to doesn't work. I mean

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Speaker 1: we all we talked about that all last summer that

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Speaker 1: Eeen was a big seasons for ELI, and and they

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00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: won five games, they lost the last three. And if

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Speaker 1: you look at the beginning of this season, there's five

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Speaker 1: and twenty four and third down conversions, no quarterback. It's surviving.

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00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Now who's counting anyway? I'm sorry, Free and I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying and and it doesn't matter necessarily blame. People keep

627
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: trying to find something to blame. Sometimes it just doesn't

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00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: work out. But how can you say the giants haven't tried,

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Speaker 1: especially in teen, to feel the field the competitor, and

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Speaker 1: and like and and here's here's the stat that that

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Speaker 1: kills me. So the Giants right now are um over

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Speaker 1: since twenty seventeen or eight and I think twenty eight

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Speaker 1: and twenty eight something like that, and the Browns are like,

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Speaker 1: um nine, twenty seven and one. You know, you know

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00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: in that regard anyway, the Browns have more wins than us.

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Speaker 1: Its twenty seventeen. The Browns won oh in sixteen, in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seventeen, and today, over that same period

638
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Speaker 1: of time they have more wins than the giants. Come on,

639
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: no one is surprising that. So I don't get all

640
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 1: of this off only this, if only that no one

641
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: is surviving this. So I say all that to say

642
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: I do get it. I grew up watching Patrick Ewing

643
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: when he left New York. I was devastated. Now, I

644
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: don't know, I was a kid. I don't get how

645
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: you're fifty six and years old devastated. But well, people

646
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: are emotionally tied to individual athletes. So I mean, I

647
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: don't think that I do get it. But but but

648
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is it's like look, let's not make

649
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: this any uglier than it has to be. Every everyone

650
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: around the league believes that John said all they could

651
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: be supportive of their franchise guy and our close and

652
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: saying this, even though Eli might not be the greatest

653
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: player in John's history, that's still probably Lawrence Teller. I

654
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: get that. In my humble opinion, he is still the

655
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: greatest Giant of all time. And by that I mean

656
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: the whole package, from top to bottom. Maybe White White

657
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: and him get battled it out, but I think he's

658
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: he's the greatest John of all time. Well, I just

659
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: enjoy it and let's watch the new guy. All right,

660
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: Tony appreciate Cale. I don't think you can't. Just I mean, listen,

661
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: He's definitely in the conversation for that. I mean, why not.

662
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: There's gonna be people that think he is and that's great. Um,

663
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: He's certainly is one of the best that's ever played

664
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: for the Giants, and I think a lot of people

665
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: would argue in favor of that. Um, there's a lot

666
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: of people that you know, I'm in my fifties, but

667
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I don't remember why you tittle playing I don't remember.

668
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: Maybe Tatina does. Um, well, even if t Tina wasn't alive,

669
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: he'll still remember him. But I think that you know,

670
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: so that's an argument you have. And and listen, this

671
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: team is young. Uh. Some of these guys that Dave

672
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: Gettiman brought in last year and this year, Um, you know,

673
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: the guy's gotta play better. These guys gotta get better,

674
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: and this team will eventually get better if those guys

675
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: mature and start playing the way that they are supposed

676
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: to because of how they were drafted. As far as

677
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: the last callers point about two thousand eighteen and bringing

678
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: back a lot of playmakers, I don't disagree with any

679
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: of that, but remember it's all about results, right Jeff.

680
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: That's what tells those stories. I could give you a

681
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: laundry list of great players. If they don't make stops,

682
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: if the performance is not where you think it is,

683
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how glowing the roster looked like. And

684
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the reality of two thousand eighteen is even if you

685
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: go back and you look at that season, the most

686
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: telling number is they scored the most points in the

687
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: NFC East, but the defense also gave up the most points.

688
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: So as great as the quarterback is, whatever the quarterback

689
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: is he still needs to rely on the defense, and

690
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: he needs to rely on the special teams. And what

691
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: I just can't stand about the narrative and looking backwards,

692
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: looking forwards, whatever it may be, is stop treating the

693
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: quarterback as if he's on an island. If you're going

694
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: to evaluate why things didn't work out, then tell me

695
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: the whole story about the team. I don't want to

696
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: just hear about, Jeff, what the running game did, what

697
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: the passing game did? You look at the team last

698
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: year as a whole. Were shortcomings across the board. Didn't

699
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: just circulate around the quarterback. And the same thing if

700
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: he said, Jeff about the first two games this season, Yeah,

701
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: and I but I believe you know, Dave Gentleman came

702
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: out in the off season said, you know he's our quarterback,

703
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: helies our quarterback. Why is he your quarterback? Okay, Well,

704
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: if we look back in the two thousand and eighteen season,

705
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: this defense gave up a lot of leads in the

706
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that actually Eli was playing that they had

707
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: a lead in the fourth quarter. I mean, we could

708
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: probably easily say those five those five wins that the

709
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: Giants have, we could probably go up to eight, I

710
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: think you could get three more of those. You mean

711
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: if you play the well, the Colts in the Cowboys

712
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: game at the end of the season, they had leads

713
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: late in the game, and remember the Colts and the

714
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: Cowboys scored late go ahead school. So let's okay, let's

715
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: give let's give two. So there's seven wins alright. So

716
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: I think there was the notion that, okay, listen, we're

717
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: getting better offensively, um, and that's why we believe that

718
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: ELI can still get us to that next level. If

719
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: they had went one in fifteen last year, I think

720
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: that it would have been a little bit different, okay,

721
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: because then it would have been a lot like kind

722
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: of how things are going now that the game just

723
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: a team is was is not good enough, um, And

724
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: then they would have maybe did something different. But that's

725
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: all in hindsight. The fact of the matter is that

726
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: going forward, this team now is going to have to

727
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: play better. They're gonna have to understand that this is

728
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: now in a rebuilding situation. In my opinion, I don't

729
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: you can call it rebuild. I call it a rebuild,

730
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: I call it a retool. Whatever you want to do it.

731
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: This is now to the point where they're gonna have

732
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: a lot of young guys playing and knowing going into

733
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 1: the games that they they're that they're gonna struggle until

734
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: they can kind of build this team back up. And listen,

735
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe next year is the year that the Giants get

736
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: a draft pick in the top five or ten and

737
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: they also go out and try to fix you know,

738
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: this defense somehow somewhere. I think the offense has got

739
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: is way ahead of the defense right now. But to

740
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: your point, you got a lot of young players cross

741
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: the board for the most part. In with young players

742
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: comes growing pig. Yeah. And I'll tell you one thing

743
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna help Daniel Jones if they can do it.

744
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: The Giants special teams are good. They have good core

745
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: special teams guys. Okay, um, they have good specialists. And

746
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: one thing that can help Daniel Jones is if your

747
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: special teams play as well kickoffs, kick off returns, if

748
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: the balls in the end zone, don't run it out

749
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: and get it on the eight team and put your

750
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback out there, take the ball in the Okay,

751
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: if you gotta get to the thirty and punt, then

752
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: at least you get the ball past midfield, and you

753
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: know to get the other team, so play the position,

754
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: the field position game. Um. The other thing is, you've

755
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: got a kicker that can make field goals, so get

756
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: him some long field goals that you get points on

757
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: the board, like you do if you've got these great

758
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: drives because you come out of nothing, use your special teams,

759
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: use your field goal kicker gets get him kicking some

760
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: fifty one yard field goals something like that. But I

761
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: know the other side of it is, well do you

762
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 1: want to give him on the ball on the forty

763
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: one yard line? But I still think that a positiveness

764
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: is that if he if he is backed up, and

765
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: you drive down and you get three points from a drive,

766
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good drive. That's a good sequence.

767
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: You know, when you come off feeling good about yourself.

768
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: It can be an asset. Yeah, that's really what you're

769
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: laying out there, Jeff. And you don't want your special

770
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: teams will put your young quarterback and your offense overall, okay,

771
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: not just the court right in a precarious position. That's

772
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: what it is. At the end of the day. Let's

773
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: head back to the lines. Attakusts is in the Pocono's

774
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: attekus smoke in the Big Blue kick Off Live. What's happening,

775
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Hey guys, great show again. Um. I want to cover

776
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: a couple of topics and one of the things real

777
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: quick that Ben McAdoo. I know, I'm going back a

778
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: little bit, but what he used to say, and I

779
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: think that the Giants haven't done this season so far.

780
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: He used to say, we need to do the simple

781
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: better or master the simple something like that. I think

782
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: sometimes with blown assignments, and I understanding that we're trying

783
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: to develop probably four to six rookies each week wore

784
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: starting on our team and the stakes are gonna happen,

785
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: but there's there were assignments that were just completely blown.

786
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: I think DeAndre Baker just completely vacated his spot. Wanna

787
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: cover three defense and somebody was wide open down the

788
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: field turn into like a forty something the yard play. Like,

789
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: we need to just do simple better. It's a good term,

790
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I think we can. And I think

791
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: there's just gonna be some growing pains when you've got

792
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: rookies playing. But sometimes it's painful see that stuff happen.

793
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, you know, I've been a season ticket holder

794
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: for a number of years. And I can't tell you

795
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: when I've stayed past third quarter for a while. It's

796
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: been it's been tough. But I just wanted to touch

797
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: on on touching on Eli Manning. Um, what a class act.

798
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: This guy has been just a great representative for our

799
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: team and the organization the NFL, not just the Giants,

800
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: but the NFL. And there are many times when I mean,

801
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: he has been the scapegoat for the New York sports

802
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: media national phobia for too many years in situations where

803
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: it really wasn't his fault. I mean, if you think

804
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: about how many times he and the offense, I won't

805
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: just put it on him, but he and the offense

806
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: have led our teams to regain the score in the

807
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, only for the defense to fail us again.

808
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: In the last few years. You probably lose count after ten.

809
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: And then how many times has he had to deal

810
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: with an offensive line that Alabama could have destroyed? How

811
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: many times has the play calling been, uh, something that

812
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: didn't put us in the best position to win a game?

813
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: And and I tell you, Jeff out here, and you

814
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: heard you talk about it all the time, why you

815
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: need eight yards ago and you're throwing a two yards

816
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: land you're not throw the ball past the six, and

817
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: you don't see some of the plays that's been designed

818
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: to do that. So I just wanted to say that

819
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: it's really cool to have been able to watch Eli

820
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: Manning in the years that he's played in and some

821
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: of these things that I've talked about. I really think

822
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: that the organization, the coaches, the former GM did more

823
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: to hurt Eli's legacy than to help them. Because he's

824
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: still going to the Hall, but he probably won't be

825
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: first valid because of some of the issues that he's

826
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: had to deal with. As our quarterback said, I'm go ahead,

827
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: go ahead, out of Howard your last point. Yes, Okay.

828
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: That being said, I think that the timing was a

829
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: little different and weird with uh Daniel Jones being our starter,

830
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: only because they invested so much money in the ELI.

831
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: I thought they'd wait a little later in the season.

832
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: But I get it. I get the whole reason why

833
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: they're doing it now. Four Teen games as opposed to

834
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: eight seven, whatever it would be, is gonna be great

835
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: for the development of this year on quarterback. But what

836
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: a great situation for him to be in. Think about this,

837
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: you guys, talked about, say Kwon Barkley, he's gonna be

838
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: the focal point for Bruce arians they're gonna try to

839
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: shut him down. This can create some tremendous opportunities for

840
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones to show why and not that he didn't

841
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: show in preseason, but preseason's preseason, because it's not that

842
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: he didn't show it, but this will prove to be

843
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for him with a generational talent at

844
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: running back with sta Kwon Barkley. I for one, think

845
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: that our our offensive line is playing very well to

846
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: this point, and they're still growing together. So the chemistry

847
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: that they need to be a really stout and premier

848
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: offensive line is still there's still being developed. But you

849
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: see in the only two games so far this year,

850
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: they are light years ahead of where we've been in

851
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: the past. So I think this is a great opportunity

852
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones to come out and he'll make some mistakes,

853
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's gonna be a train wreck

854
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: that some people in the media would like to say

855
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: that it could possibly be, even with bowls on the

856
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: other side of the sideline and it's blitz packages and

857
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: the things that he likes to do on defense. I

858
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: wanted to hear what you guys thought about that whole thing.

859
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: All right, well we'll let you go on that note

860
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: out again, said appreciate the phone call. I would agree.

861
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: I think you're putting Daniel Jones in a situation where

862
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't necessarily have to run for his life.

863
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: He's got a strong offensive line, he's got to have

864
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: an ingram, he's got sa Kwan, Barkley, Sterling, Shepherd is

865
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: expected to come back from a concussion, so you know

866
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: he's got weapons, Jeff around him. This is not I

867
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: brought this example up on Tuesday's show. This is not

868
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: where you're putting a quarterback behind the line and he

869
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: could potentially be sacks sixty to seventy times, like David

870
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: Carr went through the former Giant when he's at the

871
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: Houston Texans. So that at least is somewhat encouraging for

872
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: a young quarterback to know, hey, I've got something to

873
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: work with here. Yeah, well you're gonna have a health

874
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: You're hopefully gonna have healthy receivers. I mean Golden Tates

875
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: coming back in two weeks, a week and a half now,

876
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: So I mean getting closer to that. Um you have

877
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: a healthy Evan Ingram, s Kwon Barkley, and then you're

878
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: receiving corps. So unfortunately for Eli, he didn't really have

879
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: the healthiest receiving corps. It's going He had to ev

880
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: In Ingram basically is who he had to throw to,

881
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: and dumped the ball down to c kwon Um. But

882
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: this offensive line, remember this, Eli has been taking first

883
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: team reps with this offensive line the whole off season

884
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: and pre training camp. In the first two weeks, there's

885
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of breaking in period for

886
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line and Daniel Jones. To remember this, if

887
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: you remember the way that that Nate Solder played the

888
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: first half of the season last year, getting used to

889
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: the to the depth and how Eli Manning played coming

890
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: from Tom Brady, it was a big difference. And after

891
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: those to those a game, they kind of settled in

892
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: and I think things got better for him. He was

893
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: also not healthy to the neck injury as well. So

894
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the offensive line will have

895
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: a little bit of a breaking in period with Daniel

896
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: and you know Cadence, snap counts, um, all that kind

897
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: of stuff. You know, they get to some work in practice.

898
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: But um, you know, listen, the thing about Eli, he's

899
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: an ambassador to the NFL, an ambassador to the Giants,

900
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: and an ambassador for the game of football. He really is.

901
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: He always says the right things. He always takes the

902
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: high I mean, he's just never throws under anybody under

903
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: the bus. He does the right thing. He's a classic individual,

904
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: just a good, good person. Um, with a great career.

905
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: And listen, you never know in the National Football League,

906
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: work thing can happen. And you know what you gotta

907
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: be as a Giants fan, you gotta be happy that

908
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: you got number ten at the number two slot now

909
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: because you never know what can happen here. You never know,

910
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not wishing anything on anybody. Look what happened

911
00:42:55,719 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: last week to Ben Roethlisberger and Drew Brees injuries up

912
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: in at this position. A lot of teams just aren't

913
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: so lucky to have a quarterback play sixteen years basically

914
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: without missing a football game other than the stupid one

915
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: two years ago. So anyway, no, I think you bring

916
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: up a very good point. That's why for everybody that says,

917
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, this is it, it's over. You never know

918
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: how the rest of the season is going to play

919
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: out that the Saints. Drew Brees has been one of

920
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: the most durable quarterbacks. He's been pretty much right up

921
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: there with Eli Manning and Philip Rivers. And he got

922
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: hit on his right thumb by Alaron Donald. Did the

923
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Saints go into the game thinking we're gonna now lose

924
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Drew Brees for potentially six weeks? Not? But the one

925
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: thing I do want, I hope that does happen now

926
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: that the switch has been made, that you know they're

927
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna stick with this. So I wanderie would be the

928
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: only circumstances question. And I don't want that to happen

929
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: because I want those fourteen weeks for him to learn

930
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: and get to know the National Football League and learn

931
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: about playing on Sundays. Okay, that what it's like, Because

932
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: this it's invaluable. I'm telling you those four team weeks

933
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: going into next year will only help help things. You know,

934
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put Daniel Jones spot play for this season, yeah,

935
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a little bit of experience, but it's

936
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: really not what you're gonna need to get a full

937
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: sample size of what we feel like he can play

938
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: next year. This is your sample size fourteen weeks. You're

939
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna get it, I think, which is about equivalent to

940
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: a season. It's totally it really is. So it will

941
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: help him in the long run. That's the bigger part

942
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: of the decision to make the change, too. Let's have

943
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: acted lines. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott, Welcome to

944
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: Big Blue Kickoffs Live. What do you got for us? OK, guys,

945
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: how you doing today? I may be contrary to a

946
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: lot of the calls, I live in the here and now.

947
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm really not interested in what the Giants do three

948
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: years from today. I'd like to see them win now,

949
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: and I think they have the players to do it.

950
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: And I think the culpability risks with the coaches. And

951
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: let me explain why. I don't know if any of

952
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: you had a chance to watch the Pittsburgh Seattle game,

953
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: but Mason Rudolf made his debut as quarterback and he

954
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: played I thought exceptionally well for a rookie quarterback. And

955
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Jones should be given to say. I

956
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: know if he might make mistakes, but there's no reason

957
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: to say that he's going to not be able to

958
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: play effectively. If he's put in the right positions to

959
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: do so. And I feel the same thing about some

960
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: of the other players they was to play in the

961
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: game on Sunday. I don't know if you remember at

962
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: the Lattimore catch where Michael Hide, the safety from Buffalo,

963
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I guess, basically separated him from from the football you

964
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: talked about. That was Benny Fowler you talked about on

965
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: the right sideline. Yes, Hide had the heart hit. Fowler

966
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: initially called the ball and then it popped out after

967
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: he took the hit from right exactly. And I'm wondering,

968
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: can you name a player on the defensive side that

969
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: had a similar hit in the first two games. And

970
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: this is what bothers me. That doesn't seem to be

971
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: a veracity of defensive play. And I'm talking about across

972
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: the board where you where you can say somebody like

973
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: Michael Hyde on on the Giants team actually hit a

974
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 1: player and did the exact same thing. I can't think

975
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: of a circumstance that existed like that, and you need

976
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: that on a team and sort of Generali's Jenkins and

977
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: his uh you know, his Dietrich to the press sort

978
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: of initiated some of that and said you know, we

979
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: need to put more voracity into the team. So as

980
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: you move forward towards Tampa day, what are these schematics

981
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: that you have to change to put that verocity into

982
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: the team. Well, I think first of all, guys have

983
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: to be in the right position based on what the

984
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: defensive play call calls them to do. You know you

985
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: talked about Michael Hyde made the big play. You haven't

986
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: seen somebody in the Giants. Well, Michael Hyde was in

987
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: position to make that place got fairness And that's my point, Lens.

988
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: So is it a schematic thing? Are we not putting

989
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: players in the right position? Because we have players, The

990
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: question is we're not. They seem to be underutilized or

991
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: not utilized at all, are making a variants of mistakes,

992
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure out whether it's them or

993
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. I think it's both. I think it's both.

994
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: I really do, I really do. I think it's both.

995
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: I think that the players are are are out of

996
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: position for both themselves and some of the schemes that

997
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: and and calls that they're making on the field. I

998
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: said this earlier. I think that you've got to break

999
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: it down. If you're a coach, and you understand your

1000
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: personnel and they're not making plays. You have to change.

1001
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: You gotta be a chameleion, you gotta adapt. Right, So

1002
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: so let's and okay, so I just think I'm in

1003
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: my philosophy is this that this whoops, I just hit

1004
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: something that the philosophy has to be very passionate. Watch.

1005
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: My point is is that if there, if it's too complex,

1006
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: which I think it is right now for these guys,

1007
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: then just let's just kind of take a step back

1008
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: and simplify it a little bit and then take baby

1009
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: steps back up to where eventually we can play in

1010
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: that con But Jeff James Specter has claimed the same.

1011
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: When he was in his you know, in his heyday,

1012
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: he was blitzing of the time. That means almost half

1013
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: of the time he was for me, one sort of

1014
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: blitz or another, and that had an effect. If you

1015
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: don't have the exceptional pass rush that you maybe had

1016
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: in Arizona, but you have confidence and maybe doing things

1017
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: a little differently, can't you do the same thing if

1018
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: you're if you're not getting home with the four guys

1019
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: that you have upfront, but you're four guys up front,

1020
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: we're not the four guys that were in I acknowledge that,

1021
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, what do you need to do to

1022
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: really sort of I don't know, Uh, put put the

1023
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: fear of God, I guess into the defense and say, hey,

1024
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: this is what you have to do, because right now

1025
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: they're allowing when punch you already addressed nine touchdowns, that's unacceptable. Well,

1026
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: of course you're doing well, but that well. But first

1027
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: of all, anybody who has an NFL uniform and Jeff

1028
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: could speak to this is better than I can. If

1029
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: you think that James Bettell needs to go in front

1030
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: the defense and tell the guys, guys, if you don't

1031
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: start playing better, there's gonna be heads that are gonna

1032
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: starting to roll, and we're gonna make changes. I think

1033
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: they have the writing on the wall that they realize

1034
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: if we continue to give up nine touchdowns every two games,

1035
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: some guys are not gonna be on the roster anymore

1036
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: and they're gonna make personnel changes. So I think the

1037
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: motivation is there as far as you know what can

1038
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: be done. I think you've got to be careful if

1039
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: you're James Betcher, because the Jeff's point, you don't have

1040
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. You don't have a lot of the key

1041
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: playmakers jan in Arizona case a point. I don't know

1042
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: if you saw the Eagles Falcons game on Sunday Night Football. Okay,

1043
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: all right, so let's use this. Jim Schwartz has really

1044
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: good personnel up front. The Eagles have some injuries, but

1045
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: he's got playmakers, got proven commodities. If you saw what

1046
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz did, he brought the house Scott on that

1047
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: last play. And what did Matt Ryan do. Matt Ryan

1048
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: dumped it off to Julio Jones on the screen and

1049
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: they ran past the entire defense. So when you are

1050
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: ultra aggressive, you've got to be careful because then it's

1051
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna come back to bite you. So I'm sure James

1052
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: Betcher is trying to walk the fine line of if

1053
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: I bring the Wolves and then they just counter at

1054
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston dumps it off to Paint and bother her,

1055
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: we're in trouble if we have nobody on the back end,

1056
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: and then we're just gonna give up another big play.

1057
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: So tough, you gotta be careful. I'll do those circumstances.

1058
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: I think you just got to simplify your defense and

1059
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: go out and play with you, you know, keep your

1060
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: game plan to a sense that let's let's rush the

1061
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Speaker 1: past her, let's cover the receivers, let's stop the run,

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00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: and then let's get a little bit creative with some

1063
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: of our situational defense. Right, if they're in second and long,

1064
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 1: maybe that's the time when you can bring some blitz. Okay,

1065
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, and Scott, listen one, uh, I didn't understand

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00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: the move. Maybe you could explain it. They picked up

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00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: another tight end, but they waived Paul Perkins, and I

1068
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: was wondering, doesn't that really put the um sort of

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00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: the kabash on any kind of depth for the running

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Speaker 1: back position. I was just curious what Europeans were on that. Okay,

1071
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: appreciate you got two of them, right, I mean, the

1072
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Speaker 1: the the uh it's are both of them gonna get hurt?

1073
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: You never know, right, But I mean the fact is

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00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: is that you can get through the game with two

1075
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: and if one of them does get hurt, you can

1076
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: always go to the next week and get another one. Right.

1077
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: But I think that they're tight end situation. There's something

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00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: behind that. There's so there's something going on there. Why

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00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: why do they why are they bringing the tight end in? Okay, Well,

1080
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: we all know this, and you kind of alluded to it.

1081
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: If if you're not doing your job, we're gonna find

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00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: somebody in this better, Okay. So obviously the guy that

1083
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: came in from San Francisco they feel is better than

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00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: the other guy that they have here, Okay, And so

1085
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: there's kind of the change in the guard at certain positions.

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00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: Get him and will tell you, even Pat Shermer will

1087
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: tell you, we're always trying to improve our roster. And

1088
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: if you're if there's a guy out there that we

1089
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: feel is better, that can make us better, we're gonna

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00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: go get him and they're gonna claim him and they're

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00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna bring him in. Okay. They also have two running

1092
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: backs on the practice squad, Walter, So, I mean, as

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00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: far as Scott's points about the death, you call up

1094
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: the guys next week, they're going to get through the game, okay.

1095
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 1: Because by the way, um Eli any of the running back,

1096
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: he can play running back, So you don't have to

1097
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: worry about that immediately. If you could worry about it

1098
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: the next week, and you have guys on the on

1099
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: the practice squad that you can make a transaction a right,

1100
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: we got a few minutes left up against the clock.

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00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: I want to try to squeeze in as many calls,

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Speaker 1: so as we go to you, we're gonna give you

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00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: an opportunity, but you gotta make your points quick because

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Speaker 1: we want to try to squeeze everybody. And we'll start

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Speaker 1: with Steven Texas. Steve, Welcome to Big Blue Kick Off Live.

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Speaker 1: What's happening all right? Guys, appreciate the show. A life

1107
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: long Giants fan down here an enemy territory. I watch

1108
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: a lot of sports shows and it's something I'd like

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00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: you guys to comment on and I'll hang up. Sure,

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Speaker 1: what do you think the implications are that over the

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00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: last ten years or so that there are number one

1112
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: draft picks are no longer on the team. Ab the

1113
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: number one draft picks are no longer on the team.

1114
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: My point being in the sense of making a sustainable

1115
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: support staff team, equality people, some of the choices aren't there.

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Speaker 1: How much culpability does the management have for some draft pickednesses?

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00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: And thanks for everything you do and thanks for the call, Steve.

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00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: Appreciate you waiting in. I think they have a lot

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00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: you listen, it's not an easy sign. If you go

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Speaker 1: back and look at over the last ten years of

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00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: first down draft picks, I mean the number fift I

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00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: mean it's well, you gotta go before Evan Ingram two

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Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, Eli Apple fifteen, Eric Flowers four teen Beckham.

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Speaker 1: But Beckham was a great pick. They just obviously decided

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Speaker 1: to move on from him thirteen, Justin Pugh twelve, David

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Speaker 1: Wilson unfortunately he got hurt, Prince Amukamara eleven. He battled

1127
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: injuries during his Giants tenure, and two thousand ten was JPP.

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00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: Now JPP was a solid player, dealt with injuries, but

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00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: once again the unfortunate hand injury. You know, mixed results,

1130
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: but the misses and the fact that they were able

1131
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: to have them sustained consistency on the roster is Yes,

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00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: it's a huge part of how you build a team.

1133
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: It's through the draft. When that doesn't work, it could

1134
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: come back to bite you. I think a better question,

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00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: and that's a good that's a great question. The better

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00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: one was how many of those guys actually got a

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00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: second contract. I mean there's where you start to really

1138
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: look at the how important those guys are to your team.

1139
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: That they did that they got a second contract. O'Dell

1140
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: is the only one, and it was brief after he

1141
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: got the contract they traded him. Yeah, I think that's

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00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: a fair point, and real quickly, just to show a

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00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: means of comparison, because the Cowboys part of ways with

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00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, their recent first round pick. The other day

1145
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys two thousand thirteen, Travis Frederick fourteen, Zack Martin fifteen,

1146
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: Byron Jones sixteen, Zeke eighteen, late In Van Dersh. So

1147
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, a huge difference when you get home runs

1148
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: in the first round. Jeff it does wonder and there's

1149
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: a slew of guys there that got their second contracts.

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00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: So there. I think that to my point is that

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Speaker 1: you really look at that. How good those draft picks

1152
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: are is how much you can retain them because they're

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00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: good players. I mean a lot of the other guys

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00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean this never wanted to resign them because they

1155
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: cut him or let him go. The goal when you

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00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: draft a guy is you want to have him make

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00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: it easy for you to give him a second contracts.

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00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: That's the whole point. Let's try to squeeze in one

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Speaker 1: more Coler. We got Jeff in Rhode Island. Jeff, welcome

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00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: to the program. What do you got for us? Yeah, Hi, guys,

1161
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: how you doing today? Look at this giant defense? Uh

1162
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: they might ruin Uh Jones this whole year is playing

1163
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: quarterback for us this year. And defense is awful. You

1164
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: don't have one playmaker on on the defense as of

1165
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: right now, as of today. The kids go, he's got

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00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: one guy to throw to the tight end. He's got

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Speaker 1: a damn good running back. This defense is awful. And

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Speaker 1: you you I told you just going back the way

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Speaker 1: before training camp started, Jeff, we were We all talked

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Speaker 1: about it, Jeff, Jeff. We all talked about no playmakers, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: We all talked about it in the off season, and fairness,

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Speaker 1: we all talked about the fact that the defense had

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Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call. We all talked about, Jeff, how

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00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: many conversations did you and I did I read the

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00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: sacked numbers over the course of everybody's career did We

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: talk about how there were a lot of questions on

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Speaker 1: this defense and that the defense was going to be

1178
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: dictating the ceiling of this team. So in fairness, we

1179
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: delved into that in great length all off season. We also,

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00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, what we also talked about and I talked

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00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: about this with you and I said it on this

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00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: air on the air, and I'm not saying that I'm

1183
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: right about everything I say, but we talked about this.

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00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 1: The only way that Daniel Jones was going to get

1185
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: in that lineup this year is if the defense get

1186
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: If the defense played like they did, okay, where do

1187
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: they have or or Eli Manning got hurt. And that's

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00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: exactly what we knew was going to happen. Okay, Mr

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00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: Merris said, I hope I don't see Daniel Jones. That

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Speaker 1: means Eli mann is playing good and the team is

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00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: playing well. That's not the case. Balance balance, And that's

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00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: also based on what you just said. That John Mara

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00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: mentioned to the media is also an indication, Jeff, of

1194
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: you go in with one plan, then all of a sudden,

1195
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: the results go in a complete opposite direction and plans change.

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00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: And that's why we're in week three and already a

1197
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: quarterback change was made improvise and adjust the nature of

1198
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: the NFL. It's a week to weekly. With that being said,

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Speaker 1: that is going to wrap up our programs. Certainly appreciate

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Speaker 1: Jeff and I will be sending the tone in the pregame. Correct,

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Speaker 1: Square Garden. We're gonna be there for the remainder of

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Speaker 1: the quarter of the season. The next three games will

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Speaker 1: three away games. Correct. Yes, Yes, the remainder of the

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Speaker 1: quarter of the road season. Okay, we will continue to

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you'd like me to clarify before

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Speaker 1: we wrap up the show, or do we have the

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Speaker 1: green light. With that being said, Jeff, always a pleasure,

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Speaker 1: sounds good. Enjoy the rest of your day and always

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