WEBVTT - Biofuel Bonanza

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to text Stuff, a production of I Heart Radios

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<v Speaker 1>How Stuff Works. Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Radio and I love all things tech, and

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<v Speaker 1>today I thought I would tackle a topic that I

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<v Speaker 1>think can get a little confusing at times. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot going on with it, and there are a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of different parties, all with their own agendas and points

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<v Speaker 1>of view that make it kind of tricky to understand

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to come at it from an objective,

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<v Speaker 1>unbiased perspective. The topic is, of course biofuels, which I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine is in the title of this episode somewhere, so

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<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't come as a surprise. Now, there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of topics that are either directly or tangentially related

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<v Speaker 1>to biofuels, and that makes this more complicated than just

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<v Speaker 1>saying X material represents why amounts of energy if you

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<v Speaker 1>put it through s Z right, if that's all it were,

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<v Speaker 1>If we could just say, let's take these two different

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<v Speaker 1>materials and say how much energy would you get after say,

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<v Speaker 1>burning them? Uh, and that was it, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot easier. But as it turns out it's way

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<v Speaker 1>more complex than that. There are environmental concerns. There are

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<v Speaker 1>arguments about climate change. Really the only argument is how

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<v Speaker 1>can we alleviate it? Because climate change is undeniably a thing. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't well, I guess people can deny it, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're wrong anyway. There are also national security considerations, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more to think about. Two. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna break this down and we're gonna get a deeper

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<v Speaker 1>understanding about biofuels, what they are, what they aren't, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, stuff like that. So this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those topics where it really is important to think critically

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<v Speaker 1>about everything. I know. I stressed that a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>this show, and in this particular topic, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>it really comes to play. It's very easy to say

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<v Speaker 1>false fuels are bad and we should stop using them.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I happen to believe that that is true, that

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<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels are not great for us to use and

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<v Speaker 1>we should stop using them. But you also have to

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge why we use fossil fuels in the first place

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to other stuff. What is it about fossil

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<v Speaker 1>fuels that makes most of the world dependent upon them?

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<v Speaker 1>For energy consumption purposes. And the answer isn't as simple

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<v Speaker 1>as because big oil wants it that way. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>big oil does want it that way, because any business

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<v Speaker 1>leader wants their business to be a thriving one. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not as simple as conspiracy theories might make it seem.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of conspiracy theories try to wrap up very

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<v Speaker 1>complicated issues and create a very simple message to deliver that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turns out that reality gets a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>wibbly wobbly. Timey whiney. Now, my goal is to once

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<v Speaker 1>again encourage critical thinking and which we examine a problem

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<v Speaker 1>from many angles to determine what the best solution is,

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<v Speaker 1>and that solution might be fully dependent upon whatever your

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<v Speaker 1>specific goal happens to be. So, for example, if your

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<v Speaker 1>goal is to move dependency away from big oil companies

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<v Speaker 1>and countries with rich oil deposits that maybe aren't your

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<v Speaker 1>friendliest neighbors, that's one thing, right, if that's your goal.

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<v Speaker 1>If you say I have identified what my goal is,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be dependent upon oil, well then

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<v Speaker 1>you can come up with lots of different potential solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say that your goal is different. Maybe your

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<v Speaker 1>goal is I want to make the smallest environmental impact possible. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the solution may end up being a different one from

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<v Speaker 1>the solution to goal number one. And if you have

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<v Speaker 1>multiple goals, then you have to start weighing everything against

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<v Speaker 1>each other and say, well, how do I prioritize this.

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<v Speaker 1>How do I pick a solution that is not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the best at all of these but

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<v Speaker 1>is the best option out of all the different options

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<v Speaker 1>I have? And like I said, it gets tough. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start off as simple as we possibly can,

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<v Speaker 1>which is asking the question what is fuel? Now? I

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<v Speaker 1>know it sounds silly for me to ask that question.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably all are very well aware of what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but building our understanding on basic fundamentals will help later on. So,

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<v Speaker 1>a fuel is a substance that contains energy. More importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's energy that can be released and then harnessed to

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<v Speaker 1>do work of some kind, even if that work is

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<v Speaker 1>just as simple as releasing heat. So we can think

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<v Speaker 1>of fuel as stored energy that we must release in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, typically through a type of chemical reaction, such

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<v Speaker 1>as through the process of burning it. Now, ancient humans

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<v Speaker 1>figured out that wood works pretty great as a fuel

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<v Speaker 1>if you can figure out how to set the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on fire. There were you know, there were plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>trees around. There's a lot of wood available, and it

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<v Speaker 1>contained enough energy to be practical. It could keep you warm,

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<v Speaker 1>it could provide light. So wood was a really good

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<v Speaker 1>fuel source for a very long time. Now, you might

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<v Speaker 1>remember from science class that fire needs three things to

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<v Speaker 1>exist the triangle, right. You need to have fuel, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to have an oxidizer such as you know, oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need heat. If you are missing one of

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<v Speaker 1>those three things, you don't get fire, which honestly is

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing, or else we wouldn't be here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if if wood and oxygen we're all you needed, then

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<v Speaker 1>wood would catch fire immediately upon being exposed to oxygen.

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<v Speaker 1>If you didn't need oxygen, then once a fire started,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be really hard to put it out, since

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<v Speaker 1>nearly all of our methods of extinguishing a fire rely

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<v Speaker 1>upon removing oxygen from that triangle I just talked about. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an actual chemical reaction that happens when you have

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<v Speaker 1>wood in an oxygen eated environment and it reaches its

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<v Speaker 1>ignition temperature. When wood reaches about a hundred fifty degrees

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<v Speaker 1>celsius or three hundred degrees fahrenheit. Some of the cellulose

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<v Speaker 1>material that makes up the wood begins to decompose into

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<v Speaker 1>three different types of stuff. You get volatile gases which

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<v Speaker 1>release from the wood and they that's what smoke is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of you know, the stuff we can see,

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of the voluable gas is released from wood

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<v Speaker 1>when it reaches that temperature, and volatile gases consist of

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<v Speaker 1>compounds of hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen. You also get a

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<v Speaker 1>substance of nearly pure carbon called char, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>charcoal ends up being, and you end up with a

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<v Speaker 1>byproduct called ash, and ashes all the stuff in wood

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't actually burnable, it just as left behind, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like calcium. When the volatile gases get up to around

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<v Speaker 1>two d sixty degrees celsius or five hundred fahrenheit, the

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<v Speaker 1>material in the wood breaks down and recombines with oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>forming stuff like carbon dioxide and water vapor. And we

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<v Speaker 1>call the actual process burning. And this chemical reaction generates

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of heat. That heat is enough to sustain

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<v Speaker 1>the reaction as long as there's fuel and oxygen present,

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<v Speaker 1>so it will continue to burn. Until the fuel is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>If this didn't happen, then a fire would flare up

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<v Speaker 1>but then quickly die down because the heat would not

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<v Speaker 1>be sufficient to keep the reaction going. Not all fuels

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<v Speaker 1>burn the way wood does. Wood burns up and leaves

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<v Speaker 1>behind stuff like char and ash, and you can use

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<v Speaker 1>char as fuel as well, though that reaction is much

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<v Speaker 1>slower than it is with wood, but other fuels work

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<v Speaker 1>in a different way. Still. The basic idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>you've created a chemical reaction using a substance to produce heat,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can harness that heat to do something useful. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you could use that heat to boil water

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<v Speaker 1>to generate steam. You could channel that steam so that

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<v Speaker 1>it had to pass through a turbine and the force

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<v Speaker 1>of this escaping steam would be strong enough to rotate

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<v Speaker 1>the turbine, which could use magnets to induce electricity to

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<v Speaker 1>flow through a conductor, and bam, you've got yourself a

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<v Speaker 1>steam powered electrical generated than you can generate electricity that way. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the entire world is largely dependent upon fossil fuels right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is where things are immediately tricky, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you trace back the source of fossil fuels, you get

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<v Speaker 1>to organic materials, so, in other words, biological material So

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<v Speaker 1>you could make a very technical argument that fossil fuels

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<v Speaker 1>are bio fuels, but that's kind of missing the point

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<v Speaker 1>and it's being super pedantic, and I'm told nobody likes

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<v Speaker 1>it when I do that, which is really big blow

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<v Speaker 1>to me and my personality, especially at parties. Now. See,

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<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels are called that because they've developed over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of millions of years under intense heat and pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>under layers and layers and layers of material, layers of rock, sand, sediments,

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<v Speaker 1>and soil. They all build up over decayed organic material.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the fossil fuels that we end up getting

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<v Speaker 1>came out of algae that died millions of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>uh seaweed analogy would be the two big ones, but

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff as well, and the pressure and time over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of these millions of years break down that

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<v Speaker 1>organic material and it transforms into stuff like coal and

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<v Speaker 1>oil and natural gas. But it takes millions of years

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<v Speaker 1>for that to happen. So that is why we call

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<v Speaker 1>this a non renewable resource, a non renewable source of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not that they're truly non renewable, right, Not if

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<v Speaker 1>you were able to live forever in the super super

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<v Speaker 1>long term, over the course of millions and millions and

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<v Speaker 1>millions of years, you could renew those resources. But for

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<v Speaker 1>our purposes for humans, they're non renewable, I mean, for

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<v Speaker 1>all practical purposes. Because keep in mind that modern humans

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<v Speaker 1>have only been around a few thousand years, nowhere close

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<v Speaker 1>to a million, let alone hundreds of millions. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way we could wait hundreds of millions of years

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<v Speaker 1>more were for the Earth's supply of fossil fuels to replenish.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time stuff from the dawn of humanity has

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<v Speaker 1>transformed into fossil fuels, we may very well be extinct

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<v Speaker 1>as a species, so we can't really think of it

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<v Speaker 1>as renewable. It doesn't make any sense. Oh and when

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<v Speaker 1>we say organic material, we're chiefly talking about carbon. Carbon

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<v Speaker 1>is king here. Burning these fossil fuels unleashes that carbon

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<v Speaker 1>that had previously been locked away inside coal or gas

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<v Speaker 1>or oil and deep under the Earth's surface. Now mainly

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<v Speaker 1>it gets unlocked and released in the form of carbon dioxide.

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<v Speaker 1>Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and contributes to climate

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<v Speaker 1>change in a really big way. So when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about fossil fuels from an environmental perspective, uh, we're really

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<v Speaker 1>talking about dumping an enormous amount of carbon dioxide along

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<v Speaker 1>with some other not so healthy gases into the environment.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is carbon that had previously been saying fulle

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<v Speaker 1>locked away, and moreover, it's into an environment that cannot

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<v Speaker 1>easily process this excess amount of carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide

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<v Speaker 1>is part of a natural cycle on Earth, but that

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<v Speaker 1>cycle is dependent upon the steady supply of carbon diox

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<v Speaker 1>are really a stable supply, not an increasing supply, But

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<v Speaker 1>we are unleashing yet more carbon dioxide that had previously

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<v Speaker 1>been locked away down underneath the Earth. Now, on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, there are many other things that go into

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<v Speaker 1>the extraction, processing, refining, and distribution of fossil fuels, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that also adds into the environmental impact overall,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the cost of the fossil fuel industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Some extraction methods cause greater environmental damage than others, but

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<v Speaker 1>none of them are exactly eco friendly. They are just

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<v Speaker 1>levels of bad and to be fair, biofuels are not

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<v Speaker 1>magically immune to this. We will look at how bio

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<v Speaker 1>fuels can also have a negative environmental impact. They do

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<v Speaker 1>not get a free pass on this um. Again, critical

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<v Speaker 1>thinking is key here. We need to look at all

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<v Speaker 1>the different factors of all the different options. Now, despite

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that fossil fuels are non renewable and that

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<v Speaker 1>we're dumping tons of carbon into the atmosphere every day,

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<v Speaker 1>we depend heavily on these fossil fuels. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>World Bank, fossil fuels account for about eight of all

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<v Speaker 1>energy consumption around the world, so they represent the primary

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<v Speaker 1>energy consumption path we humans rely upon today. So why

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<v Speaker 1>is that? Why do we rely upon it so heavily

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<v Speaker 1>if we see these potential negative consequences to using them. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>for one, these fuels are dense with energy, which means

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<v Speaker 1>you get a lot of oomph when you burn the stuff. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>we've built systems and infrastructures around the idea of harvesting, processing,

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<v Speaker 1>and burning these fuels. Now, some of the elements in

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<v Speaker 1>those systems we might be able to adapt so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can handle a change to a different fuel source. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>in other words, the stuff we've already established we might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to repurpose. But some things we probably couldn't repurpose,

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<v Speaker 1>so that would mean that switching the to a different fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just as simple as saying, hey, this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty bad for our environment, because it may also

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<v Speaker 1>mean having to make really big systemic changes across the board,

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<v Speaker 1>which is difficult and it's expensive. Now, that's not to

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<v Speaker 1>say it wouldn't be worth the investment. When you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the alternatives, especially if you look at the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>of climate change over the long term, you could make

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<v Speaker 1>a very convincing argument that this is an investment we

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<v Speaker 1>have to make. But it's hard to get that ball

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<v Speaker 1>rolling because when you've already got another option that's easier,

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<v Speaker 1>the tendency is to go to the easier option, and

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<v Speaker 1>even if that option isn't you know better, it's just easier. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, the supply of these fossil fuels will dwindle,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly as we see our consumption trends globally on the rise,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see the price for them go up because

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<v Speaker 1>supply will go down, demand will be increasing. In order

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<v Speaker 1>to reflect that, you're going to see prices go up,

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<v Speaker 1>not even in order to reflect it. That's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way the world works of economics. So We've already seen

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<v Speaker 1>global conflicts that hinge at least in part on access

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<v Speaker 1>to fossil fuels. Those will likely escalate should our dependency

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<v Speaker 1>remain steady while supplies decline. So in other words, we

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<v Speaker 1>can see instability across the world as a result of

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<v Speaker 1>this dependence upon fossil fuels. Okay, but what are biofuels then, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these are fuels that come from biological materials organic material biomass.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, they can be solid fuel uh wood

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<v Speaker 1>is an example of US solid biofuel or poop you know,

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<v Speaker 1>manure that can be a solid fuel. They can also

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<v Speaker 1>be liquid fuels, such as grain alcohol also known as ethanol.

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<v Speaker 1>They can be gases like various synthetic or sin gas products,

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<v Speaker 1>which in itself is sort of a shorthand for synthetic

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<v Speaker 1>natural gas. Now, like fossil fuels, these fuels also release

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<v Speaker 1>carbon when you burn them, though not necessarily as much

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<v Speaker 1>as fossil fuels might. But more importantly, you can replenish

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<v Speaker 1>these fuels much faster by growing new biomass new feedstock,

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<v Speaker 1>and changing to a reliance on biofuels would mean having

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<v Speaker 1>to plant the stuff, and while it's growing, it's essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a carbon storage unit. It's taking carbon into itself, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's taking it out of the environment, and so you're

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<v Speaker 1>actually locking it down for the duration of growing the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So rather than dumping new carbon into the environment by

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<v Speaker 1>unlocking stuff that had previously been stored the way in

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<v Speaker 1>petroleum racle, you've got a cycle of carbon in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of your fuel crop. At least ideally so. Prehistoric

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<v Speaker 1>humans relied on biofuels like woold, but even some early

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<v Speaker 1>inventors in the era of internal combustion experimented with biofuels.

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, I'll talk about more about biofuels

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<v Speaker 1>code tech during checkout. All right, let's get back into biofuels.

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<v Speaker 1>So the two main forms of biofuel are biodiesel and ethanol. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I just mentioned, bio diesel comes from stuff like

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<v Speaker 1>vegetable oils or fats or greases. You can run diesel

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<v Speaker 1>engines on this stuff without having to alter the engine

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<v Speaker 1>at all, which is pretty darn handy. Now, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say a gallon of vegetable oil has the same

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<v Speaker 1>energy density as a gallon of petroleum based diesel fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fact that you can run diesel engines on

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<v Speaker 1>vegetable based fuels is a huge plus. You can take

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<v Speaker 1>used oil from stuff like a fryar and with a

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<v Speaker 1>minimum amount of processing, and use it as fuel for

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<v Speaker 1>something like a diesel engine. Now there's also work being

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<v Speaker 1>done on what's called third generation biodiesel, which would come

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<v Speaker 1>from stuff like algae and cyano bacteria. Now, these sources

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially yield an enormous amount of biodiesel with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to the amount of area they take up on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So in other words, you need to think about factors

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<v Speaker 1>like how much physical space is the uh production of

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<v Speaker 1>these biofuels going to take, because we have a limited

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<v Speaker 1>to that, right, we don't only have so much space

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet, and we have to dedicate it for

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<v Speaker 1>various things, so we have to reserve only a certain

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<v Speaker 1>portion of that for the production of fuel. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>want your fuel to be dense, and you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get a lot of it in as

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<v Speaker 1>little space as possible, so you can dedicate the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of that space for other things. That's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>potential benefits for using things like algae and sano bacteria.

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<v Speaker 1>You could grow a great deal of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>could yield a good amount of energy for the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of area it takes. But right now, the process to

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<v Speaker 1>convert that stuff into biodiesel is a little bit on

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<v Speaker 1>the expensive side, and that means it's not as attractive

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<v Speaker 1>so if that expense comes down, it could become an

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<v Speaker 1>economically viable option. But if it doesn't, then from a

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<v Speaker 1>financial standpoint, you could argue that makes more sense to

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<v Speaker 1>use a different source for biodiesel or using petroleum based diesel,

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<v Speaker 1>even though the alternative would make less use of space.

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<v Speaker 1>Biodiesel fuels do create pollutants on burning. They do not

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<v Speaker 1>burn totally clean. They aren't some sort of magic material,

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<v Speaker 1>but the amount of pollutants is significantly lower than you

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<v Speaker 1>would find with the petroleum based diesel. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>biodiesel is non toxic and it's also biodegradable, so the

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<v Speaker 1>fuel is safer to handle and dispose of than petroleum

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<v Speaker 1>based diesel is. There are other issues, but we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into that. Let's look at the other type of biofuel, ethanol.

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<v Speaker 1>So ethanol is alcohol like it. It's the toff that

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<v Speaker 1>makes alcoholic drinks alcoholic. It's the same alcohol as you

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<v Speaker 1>would find in beer or wine or hard liquor. It

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<v Speaker 1>comes from fermented sugars and it's used as an additive

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<v Speaker 1>in fuels around the world. The three main types that

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<v Speaker 1>you tend to find in the United States are E ten,

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<v Speaker 1>which is ten percent ethanol and nine percent gasoline E

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen which no big surprise, fiftcent ethanol and eighty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent gasoline and e eighty five which is not eight

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<v Speaker 1>five percent ethanol. It's actually somewhere between fifty one and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty three percent depending upon the blend UH and the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of it is gasoline, so it's more than half

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<v Speaker 1>ethanol as opposed to gasoline. Now, unlike biodiesel, to use

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<v Speaker 1>ethanol and engine has to be designed to handle it

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<v Speaker 1>above a certain percentage, otherwise you're gonna get some problems

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<v Speaker 1>as you try to burn the fuel. You might get

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<v Speaker 1>damaged to the engine or various engine components, and at

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<v Speaker 1>lower percentages the performance issues are negligible, and so in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States all gasoline powered ins are rated to

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<v Speaker 1>run E ten ethanol without any real issue. Beyond that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>you would need a fuel flexible vehicle to take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of higher percentages of ethanol without causing damage to the engine.

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<v Speaker 1>Ethanol comes from fermenting various plants. In the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost exclusively corn, so it makes up the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of all feedstocks used to create ethanol in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>but farmers have also tried other stuff like sugarcane, potato skins, beats,

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<v Speaker 1>yard clippings, rice, and switch grass. Now in Brazil, sugarcane

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<v Speaker 1>is far more common as a feedstock, and nearly all

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<v Speaker 1>the cars in Brazil can run on pure ethanol rather

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<v Speaker 1>than on a mixture, although mixtures of gasoline are also

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<v Speaker 1>still sold in Brazil, but you could run most Brazilian

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles on pure ethanol. Ethanol also traces its history as

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<v Speaker 1>a fuel for cars way back to the early days.

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<v Speaker 1>Henry Ford designed the Model T to run on a

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<v Speaker 1>mixture of gasoline and alcohol way back in night. Mixing

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<v Speaker 1>ethanol with gasoline reduces the amount of pollutants emitted when

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<v Speaker 1>burning the fuel. In the United States, in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>the oil crisis led to large investments in producing and

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<v Speaker 1>distributing ethanol, so that it became a standard type of fuel,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's pretty much stayed that way since. So, in

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<v Speaker 1>other words, they were looking at, well, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>fuel shortages unless we can make up some of that

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<v Speaker 1>volume of fuel with another substance that we can produce.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in the United States, that substance was ethanol. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, it gets way more complicated than

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<v Speaker 1>all this, you can't really go apples to apples with

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<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels and bio fuels. So let's get down to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the sticking points that make this a tricky

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<v Speaker 1>debate right. One of those is the amount of energy

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<v Speaker 1>that's stored within these fuels, because not all fuels are

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<v Speaker 1>created equal. A gallon of gasoline and a gallon of ethanol,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, contain different amounts of energy. A unit we

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<v Speaker 1>used to measure the amount of energy within fuel when

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, burning released when you burn it is

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<v Speaker 1>b t U or British thermal unit. This unit, in turn,

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<v Speaker 1>is based off the amount of heat needed to increase

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature of one pound of water by one degree

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<v Speaker 1>of fahrenheit. And I can hear all the folks in

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<v Speaker 1>other countries rolling their eyes right now. I hear you

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<v Speaker 1>rolling your eyes. I can't see you, but your eye

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<v Speaker 1>rolling is making noise. Because this is a very non

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<v Speaker 1>you know, metric way to go about things. So the

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<v Speaker 1>metric system would use units like the calorie, which describes

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of heat needed to heat one gram of

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<v Speaker 1>water by one degree celsius, and the unit to measure

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<v Speaker 1>energy would be the jewel one b t U is

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<v Speaker 1>equal to around one thousand, fifty five jewels more or less. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can really think of bt U s a

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<v Speaker 1>shorthand for how much energy is stored within this given fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you want a bigger number, right, The bigger

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<v Speaker 1>the number, the more energy is in that fuel, the

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<v Speaker 1>more work you can do with that on the fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's where we see one of the big differences

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<v Speaker 1>between fossil fuels and bio fuels. So a gallon of

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<v Speaker 1>gasoline contains approximately one four thousand, eight hundred b t U,

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<v Speaker 1>so nearly a hundred twenty five thousand b t U.

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<v Speaker 1>A gallon of ethanol would represent only eighty thousand BTU,

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<v Speaker 1>so eighty thousand, two hundred twenty five thousand. So the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of energy within a gallon of ethanol is less

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>than what you would get with a gallon of gasoline.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's take a slightly bigger picture. Look,

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>we're using fuel to do something, right, Like, let's say

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 1>we're using it to power a car, and let's say

0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>we're operating the car as steady demand for energy. There's

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 1>no point where the engine is going to require more power,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're just thinking of it as like a nice, smooth,

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<v Speaker 1>steady road. Now, granted, this isn't really how stuff works

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:51.440
<v Speaker 1>in the real world, but simplifies things for the purposes

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of our discussion. You'd be able to drive the car

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<v Speaker 1>further on a gallon of gasoline, then you would be

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<v Speaker 1>able if you were using a gallon of pure ethanol.

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 1>In fact, you would need one point five six gallons

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 1>of ethanol to get you as far as a single

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>gallon of gasoline could take you, assuming all other factors

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>remain the same. So this makes the discussion about greenhouse

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 1>gases also a little more complicated, because burning a gallon

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.399
<v Speaker 1>of ethanol will release less carbon dioxide than burning a

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>gallon of gasoline. But remember the ethanol does less work,

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.400
<v Speaker 1>so really you have to burn one point five six

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.719
<v Speaker 1>gallons of ethanol to represent the same energy released as

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>one gallon of gasoline, and that starts to shave away

0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>some of the advantage of releasing less c O two

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.800
<v Speaker 1>because you're in fact burning more fuel to make up

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:45.400
<v Speaker 1>for the shortfall in energy density. Even so, you're still

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 1>producing fewer pollutants in just that strictly the burning of

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the fuel itself, so there's still benefit to using ethanol.

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to point out that doesn't quite make

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 1>sense to go gallon for gallon when you're talking about pollutants,

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna need to use or ethanol to do

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>the same amount of work you could with gasoline. Still,

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>another thing to keep in mind is ethanol is carbon neutral,

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>which means that the amount of carbon released equals the

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>same amount of carbon that the organic material absorbed during

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>its full lifespan. And with ethanol in the US, like

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I said, we're really talking about corn here, right. So

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<v Speaker 1>if we were to stop all fossil fuel generation right now,

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<v Speaker 1>like we we no longer harvest it, refine it. We're

0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 1>done with fossil fuels. We're just using biofuels magically, somehow,

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.400
<v Speaker 1>we would be working with a more or less closed cycle,

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>right because we wouldn't be dumping new carbon dioxide into

0:28:41.080 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere. We would be locking it away in whatever

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>fuel stock we were growing, and then we'd be releasing

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>it again when we burn the fuel stock. But then

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>we'd have a new generation of fuels of feedstock growing.

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I keep saying fuel stop, I mean feed stock. We'd

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 1>have a new generation of feed stock growing that would

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>lock that carbon away again, and you would just have

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the cycle, it's like the water cycle at all, stay

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:09.959
<v Speaker 1>the same. You wouldn't have an increase in carbon dioxide

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>because you're not unlocking carbon that was previously locked away

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>deep under the earth. Now, according to the U. S.

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Department of Energy, taking the full life cycle of ethanol

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>into account amounts to an average reduction in greenhouse gas

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>emissions of assuming you're using corn based ethanol, because that

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>factor matters a lot. If however, scientists can produce ethanol

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>efficiently using cellulose based feedstocks, meaning more woody parts of plants,

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>so you wouldn't have to grow corn, You could grow

0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>lots of different stuff, and you wouldn't necessarily have to

0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>use good farmland for it because the stuff is really

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>hardy and it can grow in lots of different conditions.

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Then you could see a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions

0:29:56.760 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>go up as high as a hundred eight percent taking

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>in to account the full life cycle of ethanol. Now,

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>the reason I even bring this up is to point

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>out that this is a more complicated discussion than just

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels are bad. I didn't mention earlier. There are

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>other considerations too, like national security. So what do I

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>mean by that, Well, let's say you live in a

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 1>nation that is heavily dependent upon fossil fuels, and that

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>to meet the demand that your country has, you have

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to import fuel from other parts of the world because

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't produce enough of it at home to meet

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:32.600
<v Speaker 1>your needs. Now, that means that the day to day

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>operations in your country are dependent upon the exports of

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>other countries. And should you have any, say, diplomatic issues

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.960
<v Speaker 1>with those other countries, or if the oil industry in

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>those countries were to somehow be impacted by regional issues

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>like a war or something like that, you could be

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>in serious trouble. Your supply could be in jeopardy. So

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>imagine rolling power outages across an entire country because there

0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>are fuel shortages and those were all brought around because

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>of some international dispute or a conflict. These things can

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and do happen, and it's a big reason why the

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>United States began to use ethanol on a widespread basis

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies. Or imagine that you're limited in

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>options as to where you get your oil from, and

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the best source of oil, meaning the most plentiful or

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 1>least expensive, or however you wanted to find. Best. In

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>this particular scenario, it happens to be in a country

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that either engages in or supports efforts that are in

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 1>opposition with your own. So in a drastic example, you

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>might be feeding money into a country that is using

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>that money to fund military operations that threaten your country

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>or your allies, or it might be a country that

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>helps fund terrorists cells that clearly you wouldn't want to

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>hand over cash to someone who wants to see you

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>brought down. But at the same time, you have needs

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.520
<v Speaker 1>that have to be met. Now that's what I mean

0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>by national security. Unless you are in a country with

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 1>plentiful fossil fuel reserves, you're gonna be at least partly

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 1>dependent on what other nations are able to produce, and

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that is a security vulnerability. And if you have plentiful

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels in your country, then you might be attempting

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 1>target for other countries that do not have those fossil

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:18.240
<v Speaker 1>fuel reserves. Biofuel advocates argue that biofuels can help migrate

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a country into energy independence as long as the country

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 1>is capable of growing the right feedstocks, then it can

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>wean itself off of fossil fuels and depend more on

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>biofuels to meet its energy needs. It creates industry within

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the country itself as farmers grow the feedstock for the

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>rest of the nation, producing the basic fuel needed and

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 1>freeing up the country from depending upon potentially unreliable partner nations.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>But again, to do that, you have to take a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other things into consideration. You have to consider

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the actual needs of the public. How much energy is

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the public consuming on a daily basis. How much biofuel

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>would you need to grow in order to meet the

0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>demand of the public. Is there actually enough capacity within

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>your country to grow that feedstock while still dedicating sufficient

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:10.520
<v Speaker 1>farmland for other purposes, you know, like growing food. If not,

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>then you're trading energy dependency for food dependency. Instead of

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>being in danger of blackouts, now you're in danger of starving,

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.760
<v Speaker 1>or the very least, you're in danger of affecting the

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>economics of food prices, because if you have less land

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>for food production, you're going to have a smaller supply

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of food. The demand for food is going to remain

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>high because people gotta eat, so you would this will

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>most likely be reflected in rising food costs. Beyond capacity,

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>you have to take into consideration the environmental impact of

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>growing feedstocks in the first place. So the actual process

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>of farming and harvesting and then refining the stuff into fuel.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>So farming on its own just requires a lot of water,

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and it also can create a lot of pollutants. Uh So,

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>while the process of burning the fuel could be cleaner

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>than fossil fuels are. Like if you put a gallon

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 1>of gasoline and a gallon of ethanol and a gallon

0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 1>of biodiesel, and you measured all the polutants that came out,

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you would say all the gasolines producing more pollutants. That

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>might be true, but you have to take into consideration

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>all the other contributing factors, and you have to consider

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.520
<v Speaker 1>these factors as they grow to scale as well. It's

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>possible that at a smaller scale the environmental impact isn't

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:25.879
<v Speaker 1>really that severe and biofuels come out as a clear

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>superior choice over fossil fuels. But then as you start

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>to scale up in order to meet all the energy

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>needs of a country, it's possible for that to actually change. Now,

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>for one thing, farming equipment still largely runs on fossil fuels,

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 1>so you still have to burn fossil fuels to create

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the alternatives to those fossil fuels, which seems like that's

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a problem. Means that maybe you need to start developing,

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, farming equipment that runs on biofuel to help

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 1>alleviate that. But then you also stuff like fertilizer. You

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.319
<v Speaker 1>need fertilizer to help grow things like corn, and fertilizer

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>requires fossil fuels in its manufacturing process. Then there's the

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>transportation of all this stuff, like the trucks that are

0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 1>taking it to and from places, whether it's raw feedstocks

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>or refined fuel. All of this is part of that

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure I was talking about earlier. Now that's one of

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the big reasons that scientists are working to improve the

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>efficiency of cellulosic ethanol. Cellulosic ethanol comes from those more

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>woody parts of a plant, and it's more challenging to

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>get a big yield from that type of feedstock. But

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, it's way easier to grow that

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 1>stuff and it requires less of an investment in resources,

0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and it also produces fewer pollutants. Right because if you

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 1>don't have to use as much heavy equipment to farm

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the stuff, then you're not burning as many fossil fuels.

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>So you can also use low quality land to grow

0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>cellulosic feedstocks stuff like switch grass, for example. That allows

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>you to reserve the higher quality land for food production farming,

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.839
<v Speaker 1>so you don't have that conflict between do you grow

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 1>food here or do you grow fuel here. But unless

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you can get the conversion rate high enough, that is

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the rate of fuel you get from the amount of

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>biomass you're growing and processing, then you're fighting a losing

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>battle because if it if it costs less and requires

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>less work to use something like corn or sugarcane, then

0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>it may not make sense to switch over to cellulo

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>sick feedstock. Right. You have to look at all the

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>different pros and cons. Now that being said, a lot

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 1>of work is going into improving the conversion rates for

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and if it works out, it could be

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a huge game changer. In fact, it will be a

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>big game changer if it works out, because the amount

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>of work would be low compared to stuff like corn,

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.879
<v Speaker 1>and you would be looking at a big energy game,

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>meaning that the energy represented by the fuel would be

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>sufficiently higher than the amount of energy that was spent

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>creating the fuel in the first place. Like, if it

0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>takes you x amount of energy to produce the fuel,

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>and the fuel represents plus one, you could argue, well,

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't really enough of a gain. It was negligible,

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>and therefore we barely broke even. We just barely got ahead. Uh,

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you want you want to have a sufficient gain of

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 1>energy based on you know, how much you've put in. Now,

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>when we come back, we'll go into a few more

0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 1>considerations that we have to take into account when we

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about biofuels. But first let's take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've covered some of the big concerns that we

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 1>have to keep in mind with biofuels have a couple

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>more dimension But first I thought to be interesting to

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about the actual methods used to create more advanced

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 1>biofuels from biomass. Uh, you know, beyond just fermentation, Like,

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 1>what are the processes we're talking about? Why is there

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 1>this block between uh, the harvesting of biofuels in the

0:37:55.920 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>processing it. So generally speaking, the first challenge is breaking

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>down the cellular walls and plants cells, which contains stuff

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>like cellulose and lignant, and this material is tough and

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>it represents sort of an energy barrier. Right. You want

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to get at the sugars that are inside these plants

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.800
<v Speaker 1>in order to ferment them, for example, for for the

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>purposes of ethanol. You want to ferment those sugars and

0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and produce ethanol, but you have to get this to

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to the sugar first, and you've got these tough barriers

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>in your way, so you have to break those down.

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>There are a couple different ways of doing that. In fact,

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 1>they are too broad approaches to breaking down the material

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>high temperature deconstruction and low temperature deconstruction. So let's talk

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>about low temperature first. Actually, typically in this approach, you

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>would mix this biomass with some chemicals or some biological enzymes,

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and their job is to break down this uh cellular

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:57.320
<v Speaker 1>material so that you know, break down those barriers, the cellulos,

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 1>the lignant, that kind of stuff, so that you can

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 1>actually get to the sugars. Uh. It creates a new

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of material that is typically called an intermediate because

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it is in between the raw feedstock and the processed fuel.

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a stage in the middle. So the

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>chemicals or enzymes breakdown the exposed sugar polymers into simple

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>sugar building blocks, and that can then go into a

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:29.040
<v Speaker 1>further fermentation process to produce ethanol. Then you have the

0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>high temperature deconstruction method, which actually has a few different

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>ways of of working. All depends on your specific approach.

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>So one of those approaches is called pyrolysis, in which

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>you put the biomass into an oxygen free chamber and

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 1>you heat that chamber very quickly to a very high

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 1>temperature between like five hundred and seven hundred degrees celsius. Now,

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:54.240
<v Speaker 1>remember earlier I mentioned if you want to have a fire,

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>you need three elements. Right, You've gotta have fuel, you

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>have to have heat, and you have to have an oxidizer. Well,

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in this case, you only have two of those three.

0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 1>You've got fuel and you have heat, but you don't

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 1>have an oxidizer. Now, that means the material heats up

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>but doesn't burn. It goes through pyrolysis. This process means

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>that the cell walls actually do break down, and then

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you can take the material after you've gone through this

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>process and put it through fermentation to create sin gas.

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:25.960
<v Speaker 1>You could take the biomass and heat it in the

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:29.919
<v Speaker 1>presence of a small amount of oxygen, and you would

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>increase the temperatures beyond what you would use for pyroalysis.

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 1>You're going in excess of seven degrees celsius. This creates

0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>a gas that's mainly a mixture of carbon monoxide and

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen and can be used as sort of a synthetic

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>natural gas. Then, if you wanted to make biodiesel from algae,

0:40:47.640 --> 0:40:52.240
<v Speaker 1>you could use a different high temperature method called hydrothermal liquefaction,

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.919
<v Speaker 1>which I'm pretty sure the spa right down the road

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:57.479
<v Speaker 1>offers as a luxury treatment, but maybe they just don't

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 1>understand what words mean. Anyway, What it actually means is

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 1>that you would be using the biomass with a little

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.360
<v Speaker 1>bit of water, and you put it inside a pressurized chamber,

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>and you would heat that pressurized chamber up between two

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>hundred degrees celsius, and that would rapidly turn the biomass

0:41:13.719 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>into a sort of synthetic crude oil. You have a

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 1>bio oil. Now, typically after deconstruction, you have to take

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.240
<v Speaker 1>this intermediary material and then put it through another process,

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>or maybe a two processes in order to get actual

0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>usable biofuel. This is where we start running into not

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>just energy barriers, but cost barriers and also potential environmental impact. Right,

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>all of these processes require energy, they all have byproducts.

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.320
<v Speaker 1>This is why you have to look at these systems

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 1>as a whole, as opposed to narrowing your focus down

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>on just the simple burning of fuel, because if you

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.120
<v Speaker 1>do that, you might be ignoring other challenges. They have

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>real world impact, and you could be in a position

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>where you're no better off than where you started from,

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 1>or you might be better off in some ways but

0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>worse off than others. That's why you have to take

0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>this sort of big picture approach. I find the whole

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>process actually pretty fascinating for creating biofuels. Now, a few

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 1>other factors that play into the debate around biofuels are

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that as farmers clear land to produce the feedstocks, you

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 1>start seeing a decrease in biodiversity, particularly in places like

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the United States where you know they're clearing out enormous

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>amounts of land in order to grow corn. Cutting down

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>biodiversity is pretty bad for ecosystems. Just generally speaking, you

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>you want to have a lot of biodiversity, and you

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.319
<v Speaker 1>want you don't want to decrease it if you can.

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>There's also the danger of cutting down rich, eco diverse

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:50.120
<v Speaker 1>environments like the rainforest. You can see that in parts

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of South America where there are areas of ancient rainforests

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>getting cleared away in order to create like an oil

0:42:57.440 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>palm production facility. That's not great either. H Then again,

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.400
<v Speaker 1>if we are able to use stuff like algae for

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 1>biodiesel and more grasses like switch grass for ethanol production,

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>we reduced the need to clear forests and reduced biodiversity.

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>We could use land again that isn't quite as rich

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 1>in order to grow this stuff. But the breakthroughs have

0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:24.240
<v Speaker 1>to come first, and they have to be economically viable,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>which can be helped significantly through stuff like government subsidies.

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 1>So brings a political element into this as well. In addition,

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>engineers and scientists are working on ways to capture carbon

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 1>dioxide from things like power plants. Now, the captured CEO

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>two could then be stored in some long term storage technique,

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 1>like pumping it into geological formations deep under the earth

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.600
<v Speaker 1>or in sediments under the ocean floor, essentially locking the

0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide away inside the earth, kind of like how

0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.160
<v Speaker 1>it was locked away before we started digging up all

0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.400
<v Speaker 1>those fossil fuels to begin with, we'd essentially be returning

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the carbon to underneath the surface of the planet. And

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>if we use biofuels to do all this, like instead

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of fossil fuels, we're just using biofuels to run our

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 1>power plants and the equipment we use to generate electricity,

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.759
<v Speaker 1>we could begin to see an overall reduction of c

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>O two in the atmosphere right because the feet stock

0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.160
<v Speaker 1>would pull CEO too out of the atmosphere as they

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>were growing. They would essentially be capturing and locking away

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide. And then you could further capture c O

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.279
<v Speaker 1>two as it was being produced when you're burning it

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 1>at the power plant. Then you could pump it down

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 1>beneath the earth and lock it away and see an

0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>overall reduction in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. You would

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>actually be removing c O two, reversing that trend. Now,

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty darn good goal to strife for considering

0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the current trajectory we're on with regard to climate change

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>and greenhouse gas emissions. But it requires a whole lot

0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>of stuff to fall into place properly, and a lot

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of work done on our behalf uh in order for

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>this to all actually work out. It's not a technological

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>problem so much as it is a person problem, like

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>as social problem, political problem. There's a lot of complicated,

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:17.880
<v Speaker 1>messy stuff beyond the technology. Now, there are plenty of

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:20.560
<v Speaker 1>people who argue we should not be focusing on bio

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 1>fuels anyway, that really that's almost a lateral move off

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of fossil fuels when you take the big picture into account,

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.640
<v Speaker 1>I would argue that fossil fuels overall are more environmentally

0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>harmful than bio fuels, but I also admit bio fuels

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>themselves are not perfect. They have a lot of of

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 1>contributing factors towards environmental damage as well. So there are

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 1>people who say we don't need to be thinking about

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>any of this at all. Instead of talking about feedstocks,

0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:51.760
<v Speaker 1>we should be relying on stuff like wind power, solar power,

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 1>thermal hydro power, that kind of stuff. Many of those

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>solutions would require that we use some sort of energy

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 1>storage technology, essentially batteries. We would have to have batteries

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>because we wouldn't always have access to the stuff that

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>was generating the electricity, and that's one of the big

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.680
<v Speaker 1>drawbacks for those technologies because right now, we essentially produce

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.839
<v Speaker 1>electricity when we need it. So when the demand is there,

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>we have power plants to produce the electricity and it

0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 1>gets distributed throughout the power grid, and the power plant

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>goes into heavier production at times of higher demand, and

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it can slack off a little bit when the demand

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is lower. And many of the green energy solutions produce

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 1>electricity according to some external force. So for example, solar

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 1>panels obviously produce electricity when they're exposed to sunlight. When

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 1>it's night, they're not producing electricity, but people still need

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:44.280
<v Speaker 1>electricity at night, so you have to have a storage system.

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 1>You have to have batteries to store the electricity that

0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you can use later on, and you would have to

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>make sure that you can produce enough electricity during the

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.440
<v Speaker 1>day to meet everyone's needs, plus produce excess electricity that

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 1>could charge up batteries so that you would have a

0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 1>supply whenever it's dark or overcast. Also, with these green

0:47:05.040 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 1>energy solutions, they obviously won't work equally well everywhere in

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.320
<v Speaker 1>the world. Right if you live near the equator and

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>you typically are in an area that gets a lot

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.439
<v Speaker 1>of sun exposure, solar panels make a ton of sense.

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:17.879
<v Speaker 1>But if you're closer to the polls and you don't

0:47:17.960 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 1>get as many hours of sunlight during parts of the year,

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you get more overcast days than sunny days

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:28.440
<v Speaker 1>on average, solar power might not be a great solution.

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>And if you don't live near a river, hydropower becomes

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 1>less viable and so forth. Right, if you aren't in

0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>an area that regularly gets steady winds, wind power is

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 1>an issue. All of these have drawbacks. There are other alternatives,

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>such as nuclear power, but nuclear plants that rely on

0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>fission have their own set of problems, both practical and political.

0:47:49.680 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 1>They produce nuclear waste, some of it is extremely dangerous

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and needs to be disposed of in a secure location

0:47:55.400 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>far from many people and kept sequestered from everybody else

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.640
<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years. But as you can imagine, not

0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.280
<v Speaker 1>many folks are eager to have such a disposal facility

0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:08.360
<v Speaker 1>located nearby, So even if nearby is still a hundred

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.879
<v Speaker 1>miles away, most people are like, I'd rather that goes

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, so that's become a big issue. Nuclear plants

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 1>are way more efficient, especially more efficient than they used

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to be. They do not produce greenhouse gases the way

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 1>coal fired plants or natural gas plants do, but they're

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 1>still as there's still this big issue, right, there's still

0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.279
<v Speaker 1>this perception problem of them being unsafe, and there's a

0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 1>practical problem with the nuclear waste, Like even the safest

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>how nuclear power plant is still going to be generating

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>waste that you have to deal with. Uh. That is

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 1>something you just can't get around now. If we ever

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:48.480
<v Speaker 1>get around to making nuclear fusion work as an economically

0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:52.400
<v Speaker 1>viable means of generating electricity, we'd be all set for

0:48:52.480 --> 0:48:55.720
<v Speaker 1>a good long while. Nuclear fusion does not produce nuclear

0:48:55.760 --> 0:49:00.320
<v Speaker 1>waste the same way nuclear fission does. Uh, it's the

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>same nuclear process that we see in stars. Right, the

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>sun is a nuclear fusion power plant. Essentially, if we

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 1>could replicate that, and we could harness that sort of

0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 1>energy economically, we'd be able to produce all the electricity

0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 1>we would need for a really good long while. We'd

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>likely see a huge change, like we'd see a migration

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:26.919
<v Speaker 1>to more electric vehicles, for example, because the energy source

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>would be plentiful compared to more traditional fuels. But the

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>big problem we face right now is that nuclear fusion

0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 1>requires an awful lot of energy to start. It requires

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of energy just to get a fusion reaction

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>going in the first place. Sustaining a reaction, or being

0:49:44.600 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 1>able to do multiple reactions to generate electricity on a

0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 1>regular basis remains a really big challenge. So while we

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.279
<v Speaker 1>have had a few research fusion plants create reactions that

0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 1>produced enormous amounts of energy, we haven't quite cracked the

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>problem of making it something practical that we can repeat

0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 1>without costing as much or more energy to start as

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>we get out of it. So if you're having to

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:12.840
<v Speaker 1>pour more energy in then you're getting out, that's a

0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>losing proposition, right, You're you're at a net energy loss.

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 1>If you're getting more out than you put in, but

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:23.120
<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly expensive. That's a different challenge, but still a challenge.

0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:27.239
<v Speaker 1>So we have a lot of hard decisions to make right.

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 1>We need to select one or more strategies for meeting

0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>our energy needs, and we need to move away from

0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:36.160
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels. That seems to be pretty darn clear from

0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>multiple reasons, and we need to acknowledge that these challenges

0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>each alternative has that they exist, we have to acknowledge

0:50:44.000 --> 0:50:47.320
<v Speaker 1>that we need to consider how to overcome or mitigate

0:50:47.640 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 1>those challenges in order to make the best choice for us.

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:54.160
<v Speaker 1>And we have to commit toward the action of moving

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:56.560
<v Speaker 1>away from fossil fuels instead of doing the sort of

0:50:56.640 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>wishy washy, well this area, this, this is maybe not

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 1>as good because of X, Y and Z, and this

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.320
<v Speaker 1>one maybe not as good because of A, B and C.

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Eventually we have to say, here, let's make a plan,

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Let's identify and prioritize our approach, let's diversify it, Let's

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>not put all of our eggs in one basket, and

0:51:18.040 --> 0:51:21.279
<v Speaker 1>let's actually do this. We have to do that at

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>some point. The question is when do we do it now.

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't bring up all the challenges or drawbacks in

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>an effort to persuade anyone from pursuing alternatives to fossil fuels.

0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 1>I do it so we can move forward with our

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>eyes on a solution and not just rhetoric. Uh. That

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 1>is the biggest challenge I see is that we because

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:45.319
<v Speaker 1>we're looking for the perfect solution, we're not moving at all,

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and at least not as fast as we need to.

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Particularly the United States but other parts of the world

0:51:51.480 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>also fall into that category. So that wraps up this

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>discussion of bio fuels. Like I said, it is complicated.

0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.799
<v Speaker 1>It's something. Ut if you think about all the ins

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<v Speaker 1>and outs, you realize, Okay, I can see why there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of debate on the subject. Uh. You

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<v Speaker 1>can also see where there are potential arguments to be

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<v Speaker 1>made by interested parties. Let's say that you're, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a representative of the oil industry. Well, you can see

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of opportunities to object to alternatives by pointing out

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<v Speaker 1>their shortcomings. Uh. And you don't even have to address

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<v Speaker 1>the problems of your own industry, right, You just hammer

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<v Speaker 1>home that these alternatives have their own drawbacks, and that

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<v Speaker 1>can be enough to halt progress. We have seen that

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I don't think it's so much a conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>as it's just people trying to protect their own interests, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and not being terribly obtuse about that. It seems pretty

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<v Speaker 1>transparent to me, But we still have to get past

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<v Speaker 1>it somehow. UM. It's imperative. Really, I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>a world where my nieces when they're adults, aren't struggling

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<v Speaker 1>in an increasingly hostile environment. Due to environmental and fuel

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<v Speaker 1>related problems. That's the world I want to see, and

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<v Speaker 1>the only real way of making sure we get there

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<v Speaker 1>is to find this alternative to fossil fuels. All right, Well,

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