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Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's one thirty pm

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Speaker 1: Mountain time. That's two thirty for our friends in Santa Claus, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, December seventeenth, and we're live from Meet Eater

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Speaker 1: HQ and Bozeman. We are currently at home with friends

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Speaker 1: and family because it is Christmas Day. I'm your host, Spencer,

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Speaker 1: joined today by Corey and Max. On today's show, we'll

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Speaker 1: interview David Fabian about having his elk skull stolen by

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Speaker 1: a rancher while hunting public land in Wyoming. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: have some top three lists, followed by an interview with

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan about the best books for whitetail hunters and five. Finally,

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Speaker 1: we'll answer some listener submitted questions. But first, Cory, my

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Speaker 1: head hurts just looking at you because you have a

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Speaker 1: black eye and a big bandage on your face. That's

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Speaker 1: not normal. You had to cancel coming into Trivia earlier

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Speaker 1: this week because you said it you got a concussion,

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Speaker 1: and I said, oh no, did it happen while you

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Speaker 1: were skiing? And you said no, no, Yeah, it's much

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Speaker 1: worse than that long story. Tell folks would happen better

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Speaker 1: or worse.

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Speaker 2: Uh, pretty embarrassing, but happy to share it with the world.

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Speaker 2: Got my dog's frisbee stuck into a tree.

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Speaker 1: How high up?

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Speaker 2: In a not high maybe ten feet you know, I

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Speaker 2: could almost reach it with a stick. That was plan A.

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Speaker 2: Plan B, naturally, was to throw a rock into the

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Speaker 2: tree right, try and knock it down. Picked up a

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Speaker 2: I don't know, nine to ten pound rock off the ground.

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Speaker 1: How big show me with your hand, like like softball size. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bigger than a softball.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how much to await pounds? You know, just easy

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Speaker 2: enough to get some good velocity throwing it into the

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Speaker 2: tree to knock the frisbee down. I hit the frisbee,

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Speaker 2: but it was stuck in a weird little nest, bounced

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Speaker 2: off the tree, bounced off a limb, and then hit

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Speaker 2: me in the face. Oh gosh, it was headed right

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Speaker 2: for like between my eyes, and I turned my head

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Speaker 2: last second. It got me just under my eye obviously.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty brutal.

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Speaker 2: Nothing happened at first, but it about twenty minutes later

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Speaker 2: I passed out. So my concussion. It's been a couple

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Speaker 2: of days staying at home relaxing. Yeah, I couldn't partake

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Speaker 2: in trivia, which lucky for the other contestants obviously. So yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: feeling a lot better though, thanks for asking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're making him host radio despite him saying

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Speaker 1: he's still a little foggy.

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Speaker 3: A little foggy.

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Speaker 1: If I pass out, this will be one hell of

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Speaker 1: an episs good content. Yeah, does it stilvers good?

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Speaker 2: It's tight like everything in my right shields. It's just healing,

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Speaker 2: you know, So no, it doesn't hurt anymore. Yeah, just my.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, good on you for telling the truth. I

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Speaker 1: lied about that. I'd been like, yeah, I was skiing

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Speaker 1: a quadruple black diamonds, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want that karma to hit me even harder

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Speaker 2: than that rock, did you know?

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Speaker 1: So well it got you good, it did, stupid rock.

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Speaker 2: But I still need to go back to that tree,

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Speaker 2: get the frisbee, and the frisbee still out there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then I'll bring home the rock too, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know, put it on my mantle.

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Speaker 1: We have garbs of like eighty miles per hour today.

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Speaker 1: That frisbee might be long gone.

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Speaker 2: It was up there, man. Let me tell you. The

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Speaker 1: And now now you get to answer this question all

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Speaker 1: of Christmas hanging out with the family.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a version of the story that's well

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Speaker 1: told at this point. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Nope, it's all good.

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Speaker 1: You're in good spirits about it, So that's good. Try

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Speaker 1: to be Thanks for coming today and this show was

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Speaker 1: coming out. You're gonna be on the live show that

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Speaker 1: we record tomorrow is live and so we're not even

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Speaker 1: going to address it. We're just gonna tell folks if

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Speaker 2: There hanging all right.

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Speaker 1: Joining us on the line first is David Fabian, the

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Speaker 1: editor of Guns and AMMO Special Interest Publications. He had

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Speaker 1: He's here to tell us that story. David. Welcome to

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Speaker 3: How Ady David Spencer, Hi, guys.

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Speaker 1: First thing, tell us about the area you were hunting

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Speaker 1: and how you accessed it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were hunting this this chunk of landlocked public

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Speaker 5: you don't have a family connection or deep pockets is

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Speaker 5: to take a helicopter. So we poked our rig and

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Speaker 5: set up camping. We could we could look back in

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Speaker 5: the distance maybe four and a half miles. We could

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Speaker 1: And it took a few years for you to find

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Speaker 1: a pilot who was willing to fly you into these places?

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Speaker 1: What was that process?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: Oh, incredibly frustrating.

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Speaker 5: I had this I had this idea that that you know,

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Speaker 5: And so I finally I finally got the plan together,

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Speaker 5: and and then I called air operator after air operator

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Speaker 5: I think it was my twenty sixth or twenty seventh

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Speaker 5: said yeah, I'd love to do it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you found you found the right guy. I read

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Speaker 1: that at one point you were talking to someone who

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Speaker 1: could drop you in there with a hot air balloon. Correct.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I was so desperate to make a hunt

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Speaker 5: happen that I called a hot air balloon manufacturer. Oh

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Speaker 5: and I said, I said, I said, guys, have you

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Speaker 3: And they go, uh no, that's the first we've heard

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Speaker 5: And they say, they said to me, you do realize

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Speaker 5: I still do think that it could be done. So

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Speaker 5: maybe next year we'll be talking about my hot air

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Speaker 1: Uh huh, Yeah, you were desperate. Max, our co host,

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Speaker 5: You can do it, no problem if you use it

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Okay, So you get the four minute helicopter

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Speaker 1: which took place back in November.

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Speaker 3: So the hunt itself is very special.

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Speaker 5: My buddy had been scheming on getting on this land

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Speaker 5: to hunt for like twenty some years, and he said,

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Speaker 5: a great al hunt. Well, we got the helicopter and

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Speaker 5: we had I mean, we had a great elk hunt,

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Speaker 5: but the hunt itself was overshadowed by two things. One

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Speaker 5: obviously we'll get to, but we also happened to have

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Speaker 5: that amazing Northern lions display.

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Speaker 6: On the Oh, that's awesome.

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Speaker 5: After we got a double on nice mature bulls, we

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. So you were, you were processing when one

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Speaker 1: and you said, quote the strangest hunting encounter of your life.

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Speaker 1: That's how you described in your article on Peterson's hunting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there's there's nothing that even comes close

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Speaker 5: another hunt. Sure he's got a you know, elk handler's

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Speaker 5: know whatever, we got we got two elk in this

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Speaker 3: Go after him. And it's like, okay. Now that's where

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Speaker 3: it became the weirdest moment of my hunting, of my

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Speaker 5: And I mean, it's one thing to have interactions with people,

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Speaker 5: stealing your antlers, and they don't want you there to

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Speaker 5: begin with. I mean, that's just that's just a given.

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Speaker 5: But they go to the go to the degree of stealing.

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Speaker 5: You're stealing from you, and then they're hiding in brush line.

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Speaker 5: You just caught him like approaching that brush line. I

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Speaker 3: But we had to do it, so fam got there first.

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Speaker 1: Well, go ahead, No, I was just going to recap you.

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Speaker 1: You've now you've got three balls down, You've you're working

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Speaker 3: What? What what purpose did you steal this lkad for? Like, like,

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Speaker 5: But ultimately he said the reason was he didn't he

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Speaker 5: This outfit meaning the public land that he's had sole

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Speaker 1: And at some point in this process, when you guys

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Speaker 5: But anyways, when when we saw him, uh, he never

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Speaker 5: I'm guessing he probably did it to to signify like, hey,

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Speaker 3: But that's that's just that's just pure theory. I don't.

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Speaker 5: Like when you're when you're in public plan people people

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Speaker 5: Down bottom of this little cut and there's and there's

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Speaker 5: and sure enough there was there was fresh boot tracks

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Speaker 1: And then weirdly he like offers to help you guys

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Speaker 3: That's interesting how that worked out.

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Speaker 5: Because I was I was relieved that we uh, that

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Speaker 5: And I really I thought I thought he was going

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Speaker 3: I was waiting for that because I was thinking, okay, cool, I'd.

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Speaker 6: Say, gave us some money on the helicopter, right.

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Speaker 3: It would have saved us so much money if you would,

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Speaker 3: Of a redemption on his behalf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you guys get the elk, then back to

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Speaker 5: As soon as we had service, Yeah, as soon as

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Speaker 5: And the game warden said, uh, please meet me because

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Speaker 6: Yeah, is that considered like hunting harassment then? Or what

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Speaker 5: And I don't I don't fully know what what the

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Speaker 5: I can do his hunting harassment, but he goes, after

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Speaker 1: God, this this has been about month removed from when

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but god, I am I am. I am

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Speaker 5: And and that's good. That's a good thing because the

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Speaker 3: I mean some ultimately something bad is gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: Like it's one thing to lose nel Ken, but it'd

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Speaker 5: See when I when I first started this, I thought

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Speaker 5: But but they they're they're so extreme that they pester

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Speaker 3: No one can take advantage of someone can use it.

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Speaker 1: And you're just you're like pretty vulnerable back there in

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I never I've never been in combat. But

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Speaker 3: You really can't, like you're gonna be trust back trespass

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Speaker 5: And the first time I went in, uh, the helicopter,

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Speaker 5: Sorry, I assure you that that first night in there,

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Speaker 5: there and try to lynch us from a tree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Last question, David, you and I worked together about

441
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,920
Speaker 1: a decade ago when I was at Peterson Hunting in Illinois.

442
00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,399
Speaker 1: How much do you miss me?

443
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,560
Speaker 3: How much do I miss you?

444
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 1: Or loaded question me? Well, you can answer both, yeah,

445
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,560
Speaker 1: how much you miss me? And then tell us how

446
00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,200
Speaker 1: much you miss Peoria on a.

447
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 3: Scale one to ten. I miss you nine point eight.

448
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,200
Speaker 5: All right, Yes, I really do on a scale one

449
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,120
Speaker 5: to ten for Peoria.

450
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 3: I just missed the people. I don't miss the place

451
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Speaker 3: at all.

452
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so same good answer. Yeah.

453
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,520
Speaker 3: You can read.

454
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Speaker 1: David's full story about the hunt in his article called

455
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Speaker 1: a Landowner Stole Our Trophy elk on Peterson Hunning dot com. David,

456
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us and telling the story.

457
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Speaker 3: Thanks take care see David's.

458
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah wild crazy stuff.

459
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I now even know what to do well. And

460
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 2: this crazy part is not only to land owners, not

461
00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 2: all of them, obviously, it's it's it's a few that

462
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 2: get a little frustrated with this. But not only do

463
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Speaker 2: they believe that the land is theirs, but the animals

464
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 2: are theirs too. Yeah, there's a lot of that going

465
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 2: on that just is mind blowing me. There's a dollar

466
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Speaker 2: amount on each one of those trop And.

467
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Speaker 6: It's so crazy too because a lot of times when

468
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Speaker 6: I see like there's different land for sale and listing,

469
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 6: the realtors will advertise like, oh so and so much

470
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 6: public land landlocked.

471
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know, and I'm.

472
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Speaker 6: Just like, that's not considered theirs, but.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's uh wild timing that they like saw

474
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Speaker 1: it go down. You know, if they'd have been five

475
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Speaker 1: minutes behind in the process and didn't see it happen,

476
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: who knows how that story would have been different.

477
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Speaker 3: Right, all right.

478
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Speaker 1: Normally at this point in the show we take a

479
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Speaker 1: break for some listener feedback, but since we're out live,

480
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Speaker 1: these are questions that were submitted ahead of time, we'll

481
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Speaker 1: hit a few of them now and then a few

482
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Speaker 1: at the end of the show. The first one is

483
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Speaker 1: from Ryan Bowlinger Favorite way to cook waterfowl Max.

484
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 6: If I could every single time, I would cook skin

485
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 6: on duck, for sure, But that's not as an option,

486
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 6: especially like early season when they don't they're not as fatty.

487
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 6: They still have pin feathers. So a lot of times,

488
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 6: like duck or goose, just cook it like a steak, trim,

489
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 6: trim all the silver skin off, salt, pepper, garlic, turns

490
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 6: out awesome, especially like the snow geese, the speckle bellies,

491
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 6: even like some of your dabbler ducks. Yeah that's great,

492
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,679
Speaker 6: but yeah, I've done things like the crock pot barbecue,

493
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:53,719
Speaker 6: shredded meat, tacos. Options are really endless. I know Steve's

494
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 6: favorite way is like duck cunfy, which is also really good,

495
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 6: but yeah, duck or goose for strown me. I just

496
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 6: made some over thanksgaving phenomenal.

497
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: All these recipes on the medeater dot com. I think

498
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: my best waterfowl I've had was when Cal and I

499
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: were filming part of My Plate when we did the

500
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: cood episode. We did side by side comparison with a

501
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: mallard that the skin was left on. We cooked it

502
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: on hot rill, just like you said with a steak,

503
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 1: and it was. It was phenomenal. You would struggle in

504
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 1: a Pepsi challenge to identify that that was a mallard

505
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: versus a piece of beef. It was. It was really great.

506
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Steve is doing a comparison with a

507
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 6: Merganzer GoldenEye and a.

508
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: Mallard dabbler and a couple of divers. We'll see how

509
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: that goes. Corey favorite way to cook waterfowl, Well, I

510
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: don't really have much of a duck in this fight.

511
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of waterfowl hunting, but just

512
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: same exactly, I would say, the same exact way I

513
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: cook any steak, which is in a hot cast iron pan.

514
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: All right. Next question from Will pallakangis how do you

515
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: guys wash your marinal wool bass layers. I reached out

516
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: to the folks at First Light to get an official

517
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: answer on this because I didn't want to lead anyone astray.

518
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: Here's what they told me. Some companies make cleaners that

519
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 1: are specifically for Marina wool products. One of them is Grangers,

520
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: which First Light really likes. Some of the staff over

521
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: there and me included just uses dead down wind. And

522
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: if you aren't buying a special detergent for your base layers,

523
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: they say to look for labels that say gentle or

524
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: mild on them. As far as the washing goes, they

525
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: say it's really important to wash on a gentle cycle

526
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 1: with cold water. Try to separate different fabrics and colors.

527
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: For example, you don't want to put a marinal wool

528
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: kiln hoodie in washing. It has a heavy coat with velcro,

529
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: It's going to get beat up. For drying, they say

530
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: do a tumble dry or a low dry. Blasting the

531
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: marina wool in a hot dry or might shrink it.

532
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: So simply put mild detergent or specialized detergent like Grangers,

533
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: and then wash and dry at cool temps.

534
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so horrible at this. I just throw everything

535
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 6: together and wash it the same, dryads the same. But

536
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 6: I do try. If I know I'm doing some renal, well,

537
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 6: I'll like try to keep it on low for drying

538
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 6: aspect for sure.

539
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I am so bad at it.

540
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, low and slow. Same with down products too, so

541
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: natural fibers, low lightwash and then either a super light

542
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: tumble or even just hang it outside. Sure got nice

543
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: weather hanging in a pine tree.

544
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Yep, Open air and sunlight can do a lot for

545
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: your smelly clothes. Okay, Cameron jo seven best piece of

546
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: hunting gear you use that's under fifty dollars. I'll do

547
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: even one better. I'll go under one dollar handwarmers and

548
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: tow warmers. Anyone, anyone you know who hunts her fishes

549
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: north of the Mason Dixon line, they'll find a use

550
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: for some handwarmers and some tow warmers. I think they're

551
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: still like ninety eight cents. When I was hunting in

552
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: Illinois it was single digits. Having those handwarmers and tow

553
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: warmers was like as important as my coat, you know.

554
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: And it's like a five hundred dollars coat versus a

555
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: one dollar hand warmer. They'll they'll really keep you out

556
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: there longer.

557
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 6: Do you find your feet? If you do the toe warmers,

558
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 6: your feet get too sweaty or too warm, and they

559
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 6: get then they get sweaty and then they get cold.

560
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: Mm no, okay. But I'm also not like walking around

561
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: in them either, right, Like, it's like, okay, this is

562
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: where I'm partier by but for the next two hours.

563
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: So throwing a toe warmer in there. Favorite piece of

564
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: gear under fifty dollars.

565
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 6: Max for me. It's got to be like neck gator

566
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 6: or a buff Yeah, actually got.

567
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: One right here.

568
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 6: This is the Tundra cold weather net gator forty bucks

569
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 6: works as a face mask, and it just works as

570
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 6: just keeping the wind off the back of your neck.

571
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I like them, if you know,

572
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: even I'm a hunting in September obviously not that heavy

573
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: of one, but yeah, just the sun and wind.

574
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 6: I mean, just like something to help conceal your face

575
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 6: a little bit and then like if you can, it

576
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 6: kills two birds in one stone.

577
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, Corey, tell Cameron a favorite piece of hunting

578
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: gear under fifty.

579
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: Dollars A cheap pair of aftermarket insols. Obviously, go big

580
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: and get some custom orthotics that could run you one

581
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: hundred to two hundred dollars.

582
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: What's your favorite?

583
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: I really like superfeet just because they're there. I think

584
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: there may be a little over fifty dollars now, but

585
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: just google aftermarket insouls and you'll find some under fifty dollars.

586
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 6: For sure.

587
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Anything's better than the junk that they give you in

588
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: the boots. I mean, they'll last you a couple months.

589
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 2: But do your feet a favor and get aftermarket insols.

590
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: Make sure it matches your arch, so you might have

591
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: to bump up a size to make sure it fits

592
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: your arch. So if you can go into a bootstore

593
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: or any sporting good store and try and put your

594
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: foot on the insol, make sure it lines up with

595
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: your arch, and then you can cut it to fit

596
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: into your boot.

597
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, put that on the Christmas list. The cutting is porn.

598
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: If you get slightly oversized and they start to roll

599
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: in your in your boot, that's that's no good. Next

600
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Speaker 1: question is from mo Heyeskawa. What is Phil's favorite ever

601
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: podcast episode of Meat Eater?

602
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: Thanks mo.

603
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 7: I don't know if I have a specific one that

604
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 7: sticks out, but I love the the authors that Steve

605
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 7: brings in because you know, I can. I don't connect

606
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 7: as much to all the very specific hunting talk, but

607
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 7: I love it when Steve specifically like a nautical disaster,

608
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 7: which Steve loves. And I also love, you know, from

609
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 7: the Edmund Fits to having David Grant talking about the

610
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 7: Wager because you can those guys just know their stuff

611
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 7: so well and Steve that you can feel Steve's passion

612
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 7: when he's asking questions. I also love the awkward part

613
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 7: of every conversation with an author when Steve tries to

614
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 7: get them to talk about the end of the book

615
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 7: and they don't want to, and He's.

616
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: Like, oh, come on, it's fun.

617
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 5: You know.

618
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 4: It never fails to amuse me.

619
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Speaker 7: And then it's like, I love the ones that stick

620
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 7: out in my mind are the ones that we had

621
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 7: to travel for. Like I loved going going to Werner

622
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 7: Hertzog's house was a trip. Going to LA with Spencer

623
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 7: and Randall and doing the show with Rob Lowe and

624
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 7: Sirius or David Chang at the Ringer was fun. Yeah,

625
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 7: So those are those are my favorites. I love the

626
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 7: authors and the comedians like Bradleyoni was a lot of

627
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 7: fund Dana Doute was a lot of fun too.

628
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: All right, Corey's going to answer this next one from

629
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Speaker 1: Redbeard fly Fishing. If you were hunting in snow too

630
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: deep for gators, what kind of pants do you like?

631
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: I'd have to go at the First Light Omen Storm

632
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: shelter pants. They got the built in splash guard velcro

633
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: that goes around your boots, plus the bootlace hook like

634
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: most gators have that keep them down when you're trudging

635
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: through the snow, and they're waterproof. Obviously they're light full

636
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: vents knee pads. I mean, I think that's my favorite

637
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: thing First Light makes in there.

638
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: What are they again?

639
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: The omen pant?

640
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: Ok?

641
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: So will you wear the gators with those ors ad overkill.

642
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: Man, if it was like melting snow and super sloppy,

643
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: I've done it, certainly, gators than those over the top,

644
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: but dry snow, no, no need. They're great for whatever.

645
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: I use the backcountry skiing too.

646
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: All right, next question, we got two more left in

647
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: this round. This is from Willie Scoey or will Is Kohe.

648
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what is Max's white whale for waterfowl?

649
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 6: Oh, that's a great question.

650
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't even have a guess. Something from the Arctic

651
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: Circle or like not even that. Okay, something banded? What

652
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: what is it? Yeah?

653
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 6: No, it's I mean, people might make fun of me

654
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 6: and because they probably have many of these, but I've

655
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: never killed, were never harvested, abandoned Drake Mallard really so yeah,

656
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 6: it's gonna be a bandoned Drake Mallard retrieved.

657
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: By my dog.

658
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Speaker 6: Okay, my dog has retrieved like three or four of them,

659
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 6: But me personally, I've never shot one.

660
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

661
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 6: I've shot banded Canada geese, pintail teal, gadwall snow geese,

662
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 6: but never abandoned Drake Mallard.

663
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I've only killed like five ducks in my life,

664
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Speaker 2: and I've killed one really really not bragging.

665
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I've killed one banded bird. It was a speckle belly goose.

666
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah came in December.

667
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 6: But yeah, for the amount of mallards that I tend

668
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 6: to harvest, I'm just waiting on the day.

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Speaker 1: Where on the continent would you go to get that?

670
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: Because there's dudes who will, like, they know that this

671
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: refuge bands this time of year, so if they go there,

672
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: they can, you know, have higher odds. Where would you

673
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: try to do it at?

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Speaker 6: I mean, I know there's a lot of banding down

675
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 6: in Arkansas in the flooded timber, but I necessarily don't

676
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 6: want to.

677
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: Go somewhere where it's like you want to be organic.

678
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh for sure. Like where we are around Bozman,

679
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 6: we see a lot of birds from Alberta, some Sasketchwan birds,

680
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 6: and they do a lot of banding up there, a

681
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 6: lot of banning projects. And one of these days Ruby's

682
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 6: gonna come back with something shiny on that orange leg.

683
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Speaker 6: So hopefully it's this year.

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Speaker 1: Maybe all right, last one Wally Bloomer, he says, Phil

685
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Destiny too, Star Wars expansion question mark, I don't know

686
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: what that means. What's he asking, Phil?

687
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 7: Destiny two is a video game as a sequel to

688
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 7: the game Destiny. If you can put that together, it's

689
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 7: a it's a mult it's a multiplayer online shooter from

690
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 7: the same team who made the first three Halo games.

691
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 7: So bungeee based out of a bellv. Washington, and so

692
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 7: you know, it feels a lot like Halo feels great.

693
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 7: No one makes like the their art direction is unparalleled.

694
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 7: I put over fifteen hundred hours into this game. But

695
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 7: let's see, Wally Bloomer, I haven't touched Destiny since the

696
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 7: Final Shape, which which for everyone else was the last

697
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 7: big expansion downloadable content expansion. But I had I think

698
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 7: I said it before I had to quit Cold Turkey.

699
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 7: I was just wasting too much, too much time playing

700
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 7: that game, and I to be honest, Wally, I didn't

701
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 7: even know that there was a Star Wars tinged expansion

702
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 7: until I read this question. That is how checked out.

703
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 7: I am from the Destiny community, which didn't used to

704
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 7: be the case. But yeah, it's a so just for

705
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 7: fifteen more seconds of detail. The reason you waste so

706
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 7: much time playing these games is because it's a multi massive,

707
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 7: multiplayer online game. So you play with a bunch of people,

708
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 7: and it's like a looter shooter as well, so you're

709
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 7: always trying to make your number go up. You get

710
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 7: a gun, and then that gun helps you fight stronger monsters,

711
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 7: and then you get an even stronger gun, and that

712
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 7: gun helps you fight stronger monsters, and you watch your

713
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 7: number tick up, and it's just that sort of serotonin hip.

714
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Just learning about the Star Wars make you more interested though,

715
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: or you still just know not at all.

716
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: No, I'm done, I'm done forever, Wally.

717
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, our next segment is Top threes.

718
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fire this up.

719
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Speaker 4: That was not the right note.

720
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Speaker 1: All right, Each one of us had a different top

721
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: three list today. Corey, start us out. What is your

722
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: top three list?

723
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, Well, we're kind of wrapping up twenty twenty five,

724
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: not officially yet obviously, but it makes me always kind

725
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: of reminisced the year. So I'm doing, in no particular order,

726
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: necessarily my top three outdoor adventures. We'll see what Phil

727
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: brings up.

728
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see to.

729
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: Get rid of this banner.

730
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So in April, Corin and I went down

731
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: to West Texas to hunt add ad and had a

732
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: successful hunt, harvested you and a ram. But that was

733
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: like a blur just compared to the the adventure down

734
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: there Montana. Boy, this is only the second time I've

735
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: hunted in another state. First time I was just guiding,

736
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: so I hadn't where was that at Colorado?

737
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Cool?

738
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: My first season guidance, So this just being invited was phenomenal.

739
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: And then being able to explore this super rugged, dry,

740
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: arid country of West Texas. We were staring into Mexico

741
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: the whole time. It was only in the seventies, but

742
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: it was so dry that it felt so much hotter.

743
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Not a cloud in the sky, no shade to get under,

744
00:33:59,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: no shade.

745
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: The wind was really nasty, especially in that shot there

746
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: up on the side of a mountain. Got to eat

747
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: some odd ad fresh over the fire, which was pretty cool.

748
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: Just the whole.

749
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: Experience was awesome.

750
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: Where's that skull at now hanging in my house?

751
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: As soon as you walk up the.

752
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 6: Stairs, is that is that a bowl?

753
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: A buck ram? Right? Yeah?

754
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 6: I was trying to think of another one.

755
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're more on the sheep side of things.

756
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Cool.

757
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was good.

758
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: Adventure number three.

759
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty awesome adventure. Let's see number two would have

760
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: been My wife and son and I did a lot

761
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: of camp floating. We like to take the driftboat down

762
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: onto one of our free stone rivers and camp on

763
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: public land, either on an island or off the off

764
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: a beach, just off the side of a of a river.

765
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: Typically we hit the Yellowstone River, which is a nice

766
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: short drive here from Bozeman, but love to take the

767
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: boat out for one or two days, one or two

768
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: nights if possible, and figure out what sort of adventures

769
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Speaker 2: we can go on. There's a shot and my kid

770
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: jumping off the front of the boat, super nonchalant. We

771
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: either go by ourselves or with another family. But it's fun.

772
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 2: Fish all day, pull into a beach wherever you want.

773
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: Bet you find some aggts in petrified wood.

774
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots lots of petrified wood. I still don't quite

775
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: have the eye for it. But even though I have

776
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: found one of the biggest piece of the biggest bagg

777
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: I've ever seen.

778
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 6: You're multitasking in that photo.

779
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there I am rowing the boat with a boat

780
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: full of gear, firewood, a dog and two kids in

781
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: the front that were kicking splashing the water. Churning up

782
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: all the fish. But I didn't catch anything, but I

783
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 2: had to try.

784
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 6: Isn't that called the Sandwan shuffle?

785
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when they actually kick up the rocks.

786
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

787
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so close. So just the family float trips in

788
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 2: the summer, looking forward to that again.

789
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: Next, what does the San Juan shuffle?

790
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 6: It's basically like you walk and you're kicking up all

791
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 6: this dirt and I do know.

792
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you're fishing a hole, it's a beneficial thing. Yeah,

793
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: You're kicking up a lot of bugs higher up in

794
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: the stream and they come down and they can chum

795
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: up the fish if you will. It sometimes works, other

796
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: times I feel like any movement can cut the fish

797
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: down to Yeah, So I like that name.

798
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: I Uh, there's a driving maneuver I refer to as

799
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: the Chicago sweep. It's where you cross multiple lanes at once.

800
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: Say you're like four lanes and you gotta get from

801
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: lane one to that's been there, sure, Yeah, it's the

802
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: Chicago sweep. And I wondered one time, I was like,

803
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: did I come up with that or did I hear

804
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: someone say it? So I googled Chicago sweep and I

805
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: couldn't find it anywhere online, so maybe I made it up.

806
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: Let's let's make it a thing though, that is universe.

807
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: That's a Chicago sweep move that you most see, but.

808
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 6: You remember you might get pulled over doing it.

809
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, that's not in Chicago. That's like, you know,

810
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that's that's driving up there. Pretty normal Chicago sweep multiple lanes.

811
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: Lanes, all right.

812
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Number one Corey Adventure of twenty twenty five.

813
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: Number one took my wife and son to my favorite

814
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: place in the world. And I'm not going to tell

815
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: anybody where it's at. It's right on the edge of

816
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 2: a wilderness uh here in Montana, but really cool spot.

817
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: Took my son and my wife up there, went up

818
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: this tiny little creek to go look for some fish,

819
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: and lo and behold we caught a giant west slope cutthroat. Well, oh,

820
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: my boy caught that, which was really exciting. Just he

821
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: was finally old enough where I could take him on

822
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 2: the journey, which just getting there obviously is very difficult.

823
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 3: And he caught itentry.

824
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you hook it and then hand him the rod?

825
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: Or he did everything?

826
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: No, he did everything?

827
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: Hell yeah yeah.

828
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: The dogfly yep, Catus. The dog got in the way.

829
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: Had to wrangle the dog and pull him out of

830
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: the way. But yeah, super fun, just super remote, hard

831
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: to get to spot, and I've been waiting since the

832
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: day he was born to take him back there.

833
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: So a fish that big on a dry fly would

834
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: spook me a little. It had to really spook Marshall.

835
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: Didn't want to You could see it. I want to

836
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: touch it in the photo. Yeah he's hesitant, but it's great. No,

837
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: super fun. That won't be the last time up there.

838
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: Good twenty five adventures for Corey. All right, Max, what's

839
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: your top three?

840
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

841
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: I got top three duck hunting accessories. Yeah, for starters,

842
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 6: I'll start without start with these decoys. I'm a big

843
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 6: fan of a jerk rig. A jerk rig consists of

844
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 6: a weight mm hmm, a little bungee and a line

845
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 6: of decoys. So basically you can imagine I put this

846
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 6: weight out, I have this line come all the way

847
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 6: back to me, and it's exactly what I says, you

848
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 6: jerk it. It produces water motion. Water motion goes a

849
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 6: long ways. I would use this ten times more than

850
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 6: I would ever use a spinner. It's natural, ducks do it.

851
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 6: Ducks produce so much water motion that people overlook, and

852
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 6: especially if you're hunting like a pond or something, it's

853
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 6: super important to have some kind of water.

854
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Only on a calm day. What if they were like,

855
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, seven mile an hour wind and you had

856
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: some small waves.

857
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 6: It helps for sure because a lot of times too,

858
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 6: and people will do this in the South to hunting

859
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 6: the timber. They'll just rip on the jerk cord and

860
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 6: the splashing sound attracts ducks too, it helps. So yeah,

861
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 6: that's my number one. I bring this with me almost

862
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 6: every time I go duck hunt for sure. Number two

863
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 6: I think I have a photo.

864
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: Which one is it gonna be?

865
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 6: Oh game tote. I also brought this with me.

866
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: Too, A beautiful piece of gear.

867
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's beautiful piece of gear. It helps you keep

868
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 6: your ducks in a row, funny, just easy hang hang

869
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 6: the duck by the foot or the head. And a

870
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 6: big reason why I like this is in waterfall hunting

871
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 6: you've got to keep your ducks separate, like you got

872
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 6: to claim your ducks, and it helps you keep you

873
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 6: keep keeps you legal. So like Corey and I went out,

874
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 6: Oh Corey would be this side, I would be this side.

875
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, that's a thing I bring with me every

876
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 6: single time.

877
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: And a picture.

878
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, it helps with good photos too. So yeah, that

879
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 6: was a couple of weeks ago limited Mallard, so very good. Yeah,

880
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 6: just you don't need it, but I like it.

881
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: What does that one run? You think?

882
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 6: This one's probably one hundred bucks.

883
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: It's going to have for the rest of your life.

884
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's custom has Ruby's name on it.

885
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh very good.

886
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 6: Yeah. So yeah, once Ruby goes, I'll retire this one

887
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 6: and then get another one for the next dog.

888
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: So all right. Number three waterfowl accessory Number three.

889
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 6: I kind of touched on this earlier. A neck gator.

890
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 6: This one's from First Light forty bucks. But like I

891
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 6: was saying earlier, keeps you warm, keeps the wind off you,

892
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 6: and also helps conceal you a little bit. So yeah,

893
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 6: every time there's it's cold out, I'm wearing this guy.

894
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 6: So get a little fleece in this side there. But yeah,

895
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 6: that's my top three.

896
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: And you don't realize how warm it's keeping you until

897
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: you might take it off.

898
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh just just a little wind on the

899
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 6: neck is like brutals. Oh that's my top three.

900
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: All right, I'm going next I've got my top three

901
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: favorite fishing lures of all time. Phil has photos of them.

902
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: Number three is the Johnson beetle spin.

903
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: Nice.

904
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: This is my favorite lure in the world for catching panfish.

905
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: My best days of crappie fishing, bluegill fishing, or thanks

906
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: to a yellow beetle spin just like that one there,

907
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: easy to cast, rarely get snagged. You can run him

908
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: in any depth. One of the last remaining lures you

909
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: can buy that's under three dollars a piece. Non panfish

910
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: like them too. I've got some good bass on beetlespins.

911
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: One day in college, while I was fishing from my kayak,

912
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: I hooked into a giant flathead fishing for bluegill that

913
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: ate a beetle spin. I think he was probably like

914
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: twenty pounds. I fought him for like fifteen minutes on

915
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: my ultra light setup, got him to the edge of

916
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: the kayak a handful of times. Eventually he broke me

917
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: off on like my third attempt to grab him, and

918
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: he broke my heart. It would have been one of

919
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: my greatest catches of all time. A flathead on a

920
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: beetlespin from the kayak. Cool anyway, I love the Johnson Beetlespin.

921
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: So does the Freshwater Fishing Hall of Fame. They named

922
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: it their number thirteen best lure of all time, but

923
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: for me, it's number three, the Johnson beatlespin.

924
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 6: I'm excited to see what what is two and one?

925
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Number two is the rapaula shad rap. If I can

926
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: only fish with one crankbait the rest of my life,

927
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: it would be a number five shad rap in fire tiger,

928
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: just like that one there. It'll catch any game fish

929
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: fast while I pike. You can size it down for

930
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: panfish and trout, size it up for musky and stripers.

931
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: It's a real do it all lure. You control them.

932
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: You can cast and retrieve. Good for fishing five to

933
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: ten feet of water, which is where I find myself

934
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: most times. Also love the shad raps broken cousin the

935
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: jointed shad rap Those give even more wobble. They're not

936
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: quite as easy to tune as the og shad rap.

937
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: And I would bet that I own forty or fifty

938
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: of the jointed shad raps, and the shad raps all

939
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: on fire two not all on fire tiger. Just wanted

940
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: to make make sure I bet fire tigers. Is not

941
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 1: even top five because that's what I use so often

942
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: and lose so often. So it's my favorite. But I

943
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: think I have colors I've recognized that just should be

944
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: retired because I'm never gonna grab that purple blue thing

945
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: or whatever I have, all right. Number one is the

946
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: strike King KVD sexy Frog. Nothing in fishing brings me

947
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: greater joy than a top water bass bite. And although

948
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: I love like the scum frog and the zoom horny toad,

949
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: my absolute favorite is the KVD sexy frog. Kevin van

950
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: Dam He's the greatest bass angler ever. He's made my

951
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: favorite lure ever. The sexy frog is totally weedless. You

952
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: can cast that thing a mile. It has an internal rattle,

953
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: which not all frogs do, so it has some added sound,

954
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: great action. You can twitch it, you can do a

955
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: fast retrieve. They have seventeen colors. Now, I like the

956
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: classic leopard frog, which is what that pattern is because

957
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: most places I fish in the North, the most common

958
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: frog is a leopard frog. And here's a hot tip.

959
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: Take a scissors and and cut off like a half

960
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: inch of that houla skirt legs, and then also add

961
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: a trailer hook. You'll get better hook sets that way.

962
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: Throw it on a calm, cloudy day for best results.

963
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: That's the strike King KVD sexy frog my number one

964
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: favorite lure.

965
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 6: I feel like I was editing a Tony Peterson episode

966
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 6: one time, and I felt like he liked a calm

967
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 6: sunny day because it produces like a shadow sure up top.

968
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: I think you talk to ten anglers, I'll tell you

969
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: ten different things. I'd like cloud and calm. Then I've

970
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: got a few honorable mentioned. The eagle Claw croppie rig.

971
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Croppie rigs get a bad rap for being like the

972
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: lure you associate with kids and beginner anglers, but that's stupid.

973
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: Everyone should embrace the croppy rig. They're cool. You bathe

974
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: them with worms or minnows to catch any fish in

975
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: North America. Fish it under a bobber, fish it on

976
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: the bottom, doesn't take any technique at all, and they're

977
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: the perfect lure for using while drinking a beer. So

978
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: that's a crappy rig. The Mister Twister curly tail they

979
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: make the o G curly tail grub. You won't find

980
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: anyone that'll tell you it's like the best soft plastic

981
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: for bass or walleye or anything. But just like as

982
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: an all around lure, you can't beat a mister Twister

983
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 1: good for panfish and game fish. Paired with the VMC jighead,

984
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: that's my favorite jig head. They'll catch anything. And then

985
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: the little Stinker dip bait worms. If you love catching

986
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: three pound channel cats in slow moving water, which I do,

987
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: then you can't beat stink bait. My favorite vessel for

988
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: Sonny's stink bait. That's my favorite stink bait is the

989
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: little Stinker dipworm. They make it real easy to set

990
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: the hook with that impregnated treble hook. I've caught more

991
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: catfish I think on that pairing of the little stinkers

992
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: worms and sunny stinkbait than anything else. Those are my

993
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: honorable mentions. Very cool, all right, Phil, what's your top three?

994
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

995
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 7: Well, I ran into some technical difficulties this morning editing

996
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 7: a mediater podcast, so I had to pull a Ryan

997
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 7: Callahan and just look around my office. So, okay, we

998
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 7: have my top three tiki mugs that were in my office.

999
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: How many did you have in there?

1000
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 7: Well, I've got like twenty, but I brought that. I

1001
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 7: brought down five honorable mentions. The first one is this

1002
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 7: Cohico mug that I got at Smuggler's Cove in San Francisco.

1003
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: That's cool.

1004
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 7: This is the mug that is pictured on the cover

1005
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 7: of the Smuggler's Cove Tiki book, which is kind of

1006
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 7: like the modern day Bible of tiki stuff. And it

1007
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 7: it got a new matt and glaze and it just

1008
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 7: it looks real, real pretty. It's a little little guys

1009
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 7: covered in like barnacles and old old nets and and

1010
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 7: some coral and stuff that used it in your office.

1011
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 4: I don't use these.

1012
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 7: If I sometimes i'll take I'll take one home on

1013
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 7: the weekend if i'm if I feel like making a drink.

1014
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: Okay, that's It's few and far between.

1015
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: Right.

1016
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 7: Number two is this one I actually found at an

1017
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 7: antique store here in Bozeman, and so it does. It's

1018
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 7: not that flashy, but I saw it and I was curious.

1019
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 7: It's guy says Harvey's Lake Tahoe on it.

1020
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: Cool.

1021
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 7: So I looked it up and it was an old

1022
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 7: tiki restaurant, tiki bar that was at the top of

1023
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 7: a hotel in Aho that was very short lived and

1024
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 7: apparently wasn't very good. But the hotel has a lot

1025
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 7: of history because some guy who was in debt over

1026
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 7: a million dollars at the casino put a bomb in

1027
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 7: a copier and uh to try to extort the hotel,

1028
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 7: and the FBI caught wind and detonated the bomb. Nobody

1029
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 7: was hurt, but I mean it blew up, like the

1030
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 7: first three stories of the hotel caused like twenty million

1031
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 7: dollars in damages.

1032
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: And here's here's here's a relic from from there.

1033
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: Good stuff.

1034
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 7: And then my favorite was one that I got at

1035
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 7: a bar called Wusong Road in Cambridge, Massachusetts, just right

1036
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 7: outside Harvard Square. And this is you've see if you've

1037
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 7: seen the film Spirited Away. Uh, this is the the

1038
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 7: the Radish spirit who works in the bathhouse. And I

1039
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 7: just think it's a great I mean it's it's it's gorgeous,

1040
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 7: wonderful design. He's wearing a little kind of like cherry

1041
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 7: blossom Japanese shirt tiki shirt is his hat comes off

1042
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 7: cookie and it's also just a really cool tiki tiki

1043
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 7: bar as well. It's got kind of like this pulp

1044
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 7: comic book theme, like it's it's got a hard hard

1045
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 7: to describe, but it was a nice little a nice

1046
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 7: little fine there and near it near Harvard.

1047
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: Have you drank anything out of that tiki mug once?

1048
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, most of these tiki mugs I've had one drink

1049
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 7: out of. And then I bring him to my office.

1050
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 7: Uh and and then sometimes I'll bring him home for

1051
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 7: a special occasion.

1052
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought you had a couple of honor.

1053
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: I'll get some honorable mentions here too.

1054
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 7: This one, this one is from Galaxy's Edge, the Oga's

1055
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 7: Cantina in in Disney World and disney Land.

1056
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 4: This is a sort of like classic.

1057
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 7: It tells the story of the Battle of Endor and

1058
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 7: kind of like a tribal artwork sort of thing, like

1059
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 7: like as if it were designed by Ewoks. So you know,

1060
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 7: you got the ats T there C three PO and

1061
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 7: R two D two are somewhere around here. So's the

1062
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 7: Ewoks just absolutely uh you know, doming some Stormtroopers.

1063
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 4: That's a good one. And then I've got this.

1064
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: Surprise that didn't make top three.

1065
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 4: Oh so many to choose from.

1066
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 6: More.

1067
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I've got this one, which looks like

1068
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 7: an arcade cabinet made out of like drift wood. That's

1069
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 7: that was from Funhouse, which is like an old like

1070
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 7: a video game comedy site that I used to enjoy

1071
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 7: a lot.

1072
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 3: Very unique.

1073
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: Jealous of that collection. That is fun. If you're not

1074
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: watching this on YouTube, you're missing out on a real

1075
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: visual treat.

1076
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 4: There, big Tail, there we are. Thank you.

1077
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: All right joining us on the line. Last is Wired

1078
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: to Hunt host Mark Kenyon. He's here with a top

1079
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: five list of his own. Mark, Welcome to the show.

1080
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 8: Hey guys, I'm just kind of in shock of Phil's collection.

1081
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 8: There the quite the thing to try to follow up.

1082
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck, Hark makes Phil Phil real quick. Mark,

1083
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: give us a dear movement update for where you're at

1084
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: from Michigan these last thirty days of your dough season.

1085
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1086
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 8: Well, we're coming off of a really great cold and

1087
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 8: snowy spell for much of the country, really the late

1088
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 8: season weather that you want. So we're coming off of

1089
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 8: this high. Unfortunately at the very end of the year,

1090
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 8: we're actually getting the opposite, which is a warm up,

1091
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 8: which is not as encouraging. Warmer weather coming in here

1092
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 8: into the Upper Midwest, some rain. We're going to miss

1093
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 8: out on the white Christmas they thought we're going to have,

1094
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 8: and all that's probably gonna lead to a little bit

1095
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 8: slower deer movement than we've had over the last couple

1096
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 8: of weeks during this kind of arctic spell, so not

1097
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 8: exactly what you want. But with the warmer temperatures, you're

1098
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 8: probably going to see deer moving off of the grains

1099
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 8: like corn or soybeans and moving more towards greener forage,

1100
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 8: native brows, green food plots, winter wheat fields, that kind

1101
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 8: of stuff. So super fast update, but that's what's coming

1102
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 8: down the line.

1103
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: All right, good info. Now it's almost the off season,

1104
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: and a great way to keep the fire burning for

1105
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: deer in the off season is by reading. And I

1106
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: don't know anyone who has read more books about white

1107
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: tails than you. So today I want you to give

1108
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: us your top five list of best books for white

1109
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: tail hunters. Let's start with number five. What do you

1110
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: have for us? Mark?

1111
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 8: First off, I'd like to say that I plan on

1112
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 8: using that bio line that I just saw below, Whitetail Enjoyer.

1113
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 8: That's gonna be my new title.

1114
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: Maybe not expert, but enjoyer pretty accurate.

1115
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 8: Number one or because number five, in your case, will

1116
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 8: be Mapping Trophy Bucks by Brad Herndon. If you're watching here,

1117
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 8: it is This is a foundational text within the whitetail

1118
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 8: world from like a tactical perspective. This is basically the first,

1119
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 8: and I think kind of that most established resource on

1120
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 8: understanding topography and terrain for deer hunting. So how hills

1121
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 8: and ridges and saddles and points and inside corners of

1122
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,959
Speaker 8: fields and all that kind of stuff can actually lead

1123
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 8: to deer moving in different kind of ways, and how

1124
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 8: you can take advantage of that as a hunter.

1125
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: And this uses maps.

1126
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 8: It really teaches how to use maps and topography to

1127
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 8: predict deer movements. So really kind of foundational how to

1128
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 8: book in the whitetail world.

1129
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: It's got kind of a textbook look to it.

1130
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 8: Yes, yes it does. There's lots of illustrations you can see,

1131
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 8: like very helpful actual diagrams and stuff. So if you

1132
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 8: trying to get better deer hunting, this is like a

1133
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 8: must have book. It's hard to find though, I think

1134
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 8: now is what I've heard.

1135
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: Okay, that looks like one. If you're not interested in

1136
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of text and reading, you could just

1137
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: flip through and enjoy the visuals and learn stuff that way,

1138
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: all right. Number four mark number four.

1139
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 8: This is for those of you who do want to

1140
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 8: do a lot of reading. And this is not tactical

1141
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 8: or strategic or how to it all. This is a

1142
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 8: book called a Hunter's Heart, Honest Essays on blood Sport.

1143
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 8: This is a collection of essays edited and collected by

1144
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 8: David Peterson. This is going to be getting to the

1145
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 8: why we hunt, not just deer, but anything and how

1146
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 8: we go about it. So there are just some amazing

1147
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 8: short essays in this collection that talk about white tails

1148
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 8: and a whole bunch of other stuff and really gets

1149
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 8: kind of into that deeper philosophical side of things. One

1150
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 8: of the best hunting essays of all time, and my opinion,

1151
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 8: is in here. It's called The Heart of the Game

1152
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 8: by Thomas mcguain. It's a legendary piece, highly highly recommend

1153
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 8: for all whitetail hunters and hunters of all kinds.

1154
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: All right, now to the top three. What do you

1155
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: have for us? Next?

1156
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 8: Next is Whitetail Nation and this is by a guy

1157
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 8: named Pete Bodo. This is an under the radar book.

1158
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of people know about it.

1159
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 8: It came out, I don't know, maybe fifteen twenty years ago,

1160
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 8: and it's a really interesting story about this guy's kind

1161
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 8: of exploration and journey as he went from kind of

1162
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 8: being a standard everyday deer hunter to finally trying to

1163
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 8: kill that first big buck.

1164
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: Kind of the thing that you.

1165
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 8: Read about over the whole course of your life is

1166
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 8: someday getting that big trophy buck. Well, he decided to

1167
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 8: document that journey as he went from kind of where

1168
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 8: he was to going to that next level, and all

1169
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 8: along the way travel across the country, was in hunting

1170
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 8: in Pennsylvania, New York, Texas, Montana, and then through it

1171
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 8: all really ends up doing a really interesting kind of

1172
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 8: I don't know if it's an analysis, but he he

1173
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 8: documents the culture of deer hunting. He documents the history

1174
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 8: of deer hunting, and does it in a really compelling way.

1175
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: This is like a real writer.

1176
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 8: He wrote for Gray's Sporting Journal and The New York

1177
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 8: Times and all that. So it's a really well articulated,

1178
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 8: interesting story that has that kind of narrative nonfiction set

1179
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 8: of lessons you can learn throughout too. So really good one.

1180
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 8: Not a lot of people know about this one, but

1181
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 8: I highly recommend it.

1182
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: In a very pretty book mark, you seem like a

1183
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: dust jacket guy, Do you always keep those on your books?

1184
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 2: Oh?

1185
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I couldn't.

1186
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 8: My wife removes them. I kind of feel like that's sacrilege.

1187
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 8: It's there's a lot of time and energy that goes

1188
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 8: into designing these book covers and packaging the number right,

1189
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 8: So I would never take that off.

1190
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: I get rid of them right away. I feel like

1191
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm reading a book from the library if it has

1192
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: the dust jest on it. Interesting, All right, Number two, Marcus,

1193
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: what do you have?

1194
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 8: Number two?

1195
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: This is a tactics book.

1196
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: This is a how to.

1197
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 8: This is my favorite how to book. It's called Whitetail Access,

1198
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 8: and it's a funny story. The title and the subtitle,

1199
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 8: which is how to Hunt top white Tail States Cheaply

1200
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 8: and Effectively. It's actually not really that kind of book.

1201
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 8: It's a story that I heard from the author that

1202
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 8: was kind of like, the publishers want to try to

1203
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 8: make this seem more like a very clear how to book,

1204
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 8: and so they packaged it with this title that they

1205
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 8: thought would get people to buy it. But really what

1206
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 8: it is is a story. It's the story of Chris

1207
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 8: Eberhart's season in which he lived out of his minivan

1208
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 8: traveling across the country hunting deer di y on the cheap,

1209
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 8: from Michigan to North Dakota, Missouri, Ohio, maybe somewhere else.

1210
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 8: But the Eberharts, Chris Eberhart and John Eberhart, his dad,

1211
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 8: are kind of, you know, og whitetail hunters. They've really

1212
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 8: unfortunately Chris passed away, which is really sad, but his

1213
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 8: dad is still one of the legends in the whitetail world.

1214
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 8: That's taught me and thousands of others a lot about

1215
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 8: how to effectively hunt white tails and heavily pressured states.

1216
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 8: And so this story is all about that season. But

1217
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 8: then throughout it he's got very detailed notes about how

1218
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 8: he did what he did, his strategies, his perspectives, his plans.

1219
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 8: There's diagrams and maps in here again too, so kind

1220
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 8: of similar to the other book. You can actually see

1221
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 8: where his stand setups were and follow along with all

1222
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 8: the hunts and the tactics. So are really good how

1223
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 8: to mixed with a story. So that's why it's probably

1224
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 8: my favorite recommendation for people who want to learn but

1225
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 8: also enjoy the story along the way.

1226
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: All right, here's a recap so far. Number five was

1227
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: mapping white tail Bucks. Number four was a Hunter's Heart.

1228
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: Number three, Whitetail Nation, number two, Whitetail Access. What is

1229
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: number one?

1230
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 8: It's kind of cliche. The number one book that all

1231
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 8: whitetail hunters and every hunter in the world should read

1232
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 8: is a Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold. Probably anyone

1233
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 8: listening to me or media radio live knows this book,

1234
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 8: but if not, highly recommend it.

1235
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 3: It is, I think, kind.

1236
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: Of like the.

1237
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 8: I don't know, like the equivalent of the Bible for

1238
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 8: people who are into hunting and fish and wildlife and

1239
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 8: conservation anything. It's like a foundational text. It's the thing

1240
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 8: that kind of sums up how we can think about

1241
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 8: ourselves as stewards, as wildlife managers. There's great essays in

1242
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 8: here and thoughts on, you know, how to be a

1243
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 8: hunter and connect with wildlife, wilderness, the importance of a

1244
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 8: land ethic. You've heard it come up a thousand times

1245
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 8: from Steve and Doug Dern and so many others, and

1246
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 8: it's for good reason. The opening text here, the opening

1247
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 8: line here is there are some who can live without

1248
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 8: wild things and some who cannot. These essays are the

1249
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 8: delights and dilemmas of one who cannot, And I think

1250
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 8: that sums it up really well. If you care about wildlife,

1251
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 8: wild things, this is a book that just has to

1252
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 8: be on your bookshelf.

1253
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, Mark, thank you for the list. I'm

1254
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: going to pick up some of those this off season.

1255
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: I wrote them all down, and good luck on the

1256
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: rest of your season there in Michigan. Thanks for joining us.

1257
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 8: Thanks buddy, Chris, Yeah, Merry Christmas.

1258
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: Tell family high right back at you all right. That

1259
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: brings us to the end of the show. We have

1260
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: some more Q and A to ramp this up. Here

1261
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: are some questions listeners submitted last week. First one is

1262
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: from Field of Dreams seven to three one. What types

1263
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: of wine do y'all pair with wild game? I don't

1264
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: have a great answer for this, but when I'm cooking

1265
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: like a big meal for Thanksgiving or Christmas and it's

1266
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,479
Speaker 1: got courses in wild game, and my wife is really

1267
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: trying to like put on the ritz, she will go

1268
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: ask chat GPT. She'll tell it exactly what we're having

1269
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: in what order, and what the meat is and where

1270
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: it came from, and then that spits out some recommendations.

1271
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: So that's the best thing I can tell you do.

1272
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: You guys have any thoughts on wine and wild game,

1273
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: red wind.

1274
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 6: I'm not a big red wine or just not a

1275
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 6: big wine guy in general.

1276
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: So I married a Whino. My wife bums wine, whether

1277
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: pairs or not, and she's got me hooked on Malbex,

1278
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: which is an Argentinian wine, real dark, bold, fruity flavors,

1279
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: which pairs very well with red meat especially, but I'm

1280
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: a big fan of the boxed wine.

1281
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: There you go, Phil, any input on wine and.

1282
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 4: Meat, Yeah, I'm not a big I'm not a big

1283
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 4: wine guy. I'm sorry.

1284
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: If you're interested in beer pairings, we have two articles

1285
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 1: on the medeater dot com for you. The first one

1286
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: is from chef Justin Townsend how to Pair Beer with

1287
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: wild Game, and then the other one is from Kooby

1288
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: Brown how to Pair Beer with Fish. We can help

1289
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: you out on that front. Again. For wine, I think

1290
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: chat gpt does a really nice job if you tell

1291
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: it exactly what you got going on. Yeah, We're we're

1292
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: not wine here, I guess. The next question is c J.

1293
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: Rope Key twenty one. What is the best wild game

1294
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: Phil has eaten since working at Meat Eater.

1295
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: Great question.

1296
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 7: I think I've talked about this before, but the best

1297
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 7: bite of wild game I've ever had was at the

1298
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 7: Old Office probably five four years ago. Brody brought in

1299
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 7: some elk tenderloin, and then Michael Hunter, who's the chef

1300
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 7: at Antler in Toronto, Canada, who's been on the podcast

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Speaker 7: a couple of times and done some stuff with us,

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Speaker 7: he just had a little like induction burner and just

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Speaker 7: like seemingly without even thinking about it, just made it

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Speaker 7: like a Huckleberry demiglaze and cooked this elk just perfectly,

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Speaker 7: and it just like it felt like it melted in

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Speaker 7: my mouth. It was the best tasting me and I've

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Speaker 7: ever had mine.

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Speaker 1: We did not have much of a kitchen at the ogo.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it was non existent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Jeremiah Donahue says, if you could ask Santa for

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Speaker 1: one piece of outdoor gear, what would it be, Corey.

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Speaker 2: Man, I've been on the hunt for a good waltint.

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Speaker 2: I'd love a Montana canvas Walton for shooting for the

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Speaker 2: stars here. Hard to fit under the tree, it is, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well wrapped up maybe twelve by twelve Walton.

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Speaker 1: Okay, with with or without a floor? Without without a yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: they're always without a floor from Montana.

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Speaker 2: You can get them with floors yep, all right, with frame.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a stove too, since we're at.

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Speaker 6: It, Okay, yeah, tell Santa to look at Facebook marketplace. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I've seen a lot of good sure, yep, okay. I

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Speaker 6: was so close to pulling the trigger, but I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I'll see Santa this weekend.

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Speaker 1: He's listening, Max. What are you asking Santa for?

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Speaker 6: Ooh, I got two ideas. More decoys yep, never have enough.

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Speaker 6: Or there's this duck plucker out there called the fall plucker.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, My thumbs are pretty strong, but they get

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Speaker 6: tired a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So how many ducks do you think you have to

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Speaker 1: kill a year to justify having one of those? They're

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Speaker 1: pretty spendy. Put a number on it, like fifty ducks

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Speaker 1: a year, two hundred ducks a year.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, I feel like you know, or like

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Speaker 6: for like guides and outfitters.

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Speaker 1: It'd be a no brain.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, for like a personal if you got a hunt

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Speaker 6: with a lot of friends, I would probably say, like

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Speaker 6: a couple of hundred, Oh wow, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do they have any other purpose?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: Could could they function with a pheasant? No? No, I

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Speaker 1: mean not in my experience.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, those are two things

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Speaker 6: that I would love. Is more decoys or duc Bucker. So, Santa,

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Speaker 6: if you're listening.

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Speaker 1: I'm good on gear, Santa. I just want permissions.

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Speaker 2: Just give me land.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's another good.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of land, Santa. That's that's all I need.

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Speaker 2: That's really hard to put under the tree.

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Speaker 1: Deeds are pretty small call. Next question is from Will Sanchez.

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Speaker 1: He says favorite state for fossil slash rock hunting. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there are great rocks and fossils across the whole continent,

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Speaker 1: but the main thing is being legal. Will, So, b

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Speaker 1: LM has the loosest restrictions when it comes to where

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Speaker 1: you can collect, what you can collect. How you collect

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Speaker 1: this fall is you know, picking up a shovel and

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Speaker 1: digging a hole. So any state that has a lot

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Speaker 1: of BLM land, which is you know, mostly in the West, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: those are my favorite states for fossil and rock hunting,

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Speaker 1: just because you can do it legally. The next one

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Speaker 1: is from Doug Chiasen. Are there any hunting video games?

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Speaker 1: Phil likes?

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Speaker 7: The short answer is no, and that's not because I

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Speaker 7: don't think they exist. I just haven't really tried a

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Speaker 7: whole lot. I've tried the Hunter Call of the Wild,

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Speaker 7: which I think is probably the biggest one. Maybe people

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Speaker 7: might yell at me for that, but they've been making

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Speaker 7: putting out expansion packs for that game for years now.

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Speaker 7: And I played it for like about an hour and

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Speaker 7: a half a year or two ago, and I just

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Speaker 7: couldn't get into it. Seemed like there are a lot

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Speaker 7: of systems that I just needed to get familiar with,

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Speaker 7: so it was kind of like a steep a steep

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Speaker 7: learning curve. But there is a game coming out called

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Speaker 7: Cast and Chill, which came out on Steam, which is

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Speaker 7: like a PC marketplace, a few months ago, but it's

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Speaker 7: as of the it's coming out on the Nintendo Switch

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Speaker 7: to tomorrow, and I put it on just a couple

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Speaker 7: of days ago, and it looks fun. It just seems

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Speaker 7: like a very laid back, kind of gorgeous looking like

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Speaker 7: pixel art fishing game, but it looks pretty dense like

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Speaker 7: you can go to it. There's a whole ton of

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Speaker 7: fish did different bait to do, different seasons and stuff.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited to try to Maybe I'll stream it,

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Speaker 4: maybe I'll stream it.

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Speaker 1: He's going to play it over Christmas break.

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, someone in a future live chat needs to ask

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Speaker 1: Phil for his review so we can all find out together.

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Speaker 7: And let me know if there are any hunting games

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Speaker 7: that I should I should get into. I don't want

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Speaker 7: anything too realistic, like if it's kind of like an

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Speaker 7: Arcadi element to it, like that's more fun than than

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Speaker 7: hardcore realism to me.

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Speaker 1: Another video game question for Phil, this is from fro Alex.

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Speaker 1: Ask Phil if he ever played RuneScape back in the

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Speaker 1: day or he still plays.

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Speaker 4: I did play RuneScape.

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Speaker 7: Speaking of MMOs that we talked about with Destiny, this

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Speaker 7: was a massive multiplayer online so it's like a big

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Speaker 7: you know, you get on a server and there's thousands

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Speaker 7: of people that are all in the same playing in

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Speaker 7: the same area, and you can you know, squad up

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Speaker 7: and take on dungeons and fight, you know, go on

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Speaker 7: quests and stuff. RuneScape was on was one of the ogs.

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Speaker 7: I played it a little bit. That was my brother

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Speaker 7: was way more into it than me. My big MMO

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Speaker 7: was It's called Ragnarok Online, which was a two D

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Speaker 7: pixel art one. But then I also played a World

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Speaker 7: of Warcraft, a lot back.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 7: I was playing Wow from the ground floor like two

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Speaker 7: thousand and four, I right right when it launched.

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Speaker 1: Do people still play RuneScape?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's got a very active community.

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Speaker 7: I but again, that's like a blind spot form we

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Speaker 7: be because once you have kids in a job, MMOs

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Speaker 7: aren't the healthiest thing for you or your family, which

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Speaker 7: is why I stopped playing Destiny.

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Speaker 1: Last question today is from Casey Jacobsen twenty three. What's

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Speaker 1: your plan when out of state deer hunting in previously

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Speaker 1: unexplored areas. I'll answer that on behalf of deer, and

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Speaker 1: then Max is going to answer about waterfowl and Corey

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Speaker 1: for elk. My plan went hunting in an unexplored place

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Speaker 1: for deer. The first thing I'll look for is food,

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't matter if I'm hunting in Idaho in

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Speaker 1: October or Illinois in December, which is you know my

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Speaker 1: spectrum this year. That was my first hunt, my last hunt.

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Speaker 1: That's the easiest thing I can find on on X,

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: and then when I'm there in person, I can work

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01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: my way backwards. If this is where the deer are feeding,

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01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: it's very easy to you know, put together where they're

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01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: probably betting at and traveling to get from point A

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01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: to point B. So look look for food for me

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Speaker 1: A lot of times that is probably big agriculture. I

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Speaker 1: spend most of my time hunting between the rocky mountains

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Speaker 1: and the Mississippi River, so I care about where the

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01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: alf alfa is, where the cornfields are, what point in

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01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: the harvest it is, and if there's no egg around,

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01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: what acorn trees there might be. On X does a

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: great job of allowing you to sort by the crop

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: coverage that you can see if was was this field

1444
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: last year? Corn? Was it alfalfa? Was it hey? Was

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01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: it sorghum? So so starting there thinking about what deer

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: would like in that area, that that'll give you a

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01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: big piece of the puzzle. Ma's answer for waterfowl, well.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna kind of go the opposite of you. My

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01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 6: first thing is water, not only the lakes, river streams,

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01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 6: but I have a big obsession with keeping up with

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01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 6: current weather and rain forecast. So there's different areas that

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01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 6: get a bunch of rain and two months later that

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 6: rain is still gonna almost be there.

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Speaker 1: As in forms of.

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Speaker 6: Flooded fields, flooded agriculture, you name it. So there was

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Speaker 6: this spot that I went up to Saskatchewan this last

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01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 6: September where they got eight inches of the rain a

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01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 6: month ago before. I hunted and I went there, put

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Speaker 6: a pin on the map and I went there and

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Speaker 6: there was just so many dogs.

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Speaker 1: And you can diy waterfall in Saskatchewan. Yeah, soun's a bitches.

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Speaker 1: Need to let deer hunters do. Make you have a

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01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: guide or a buddy or whatever. Yeah.

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01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 6: So I went up there and hunted flooded fields for

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01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 6: three days and it was just incredible.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, look for water.

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Speaker 6: And then another big thing too, is like if I

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01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 6: if I'm going to a general area, I will go

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Speaker 6: and make a list of landowners names and phone numbers

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Speaker 6: in case there's ducks there there, in case there's waterfall there,

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Speaker 6: feeding in their fields or just using their water, because

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Speaker 6: it's going to be a lot easier to just already

1473
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 6: have their names and phone numbers already on a list

1474
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 6: then spending the time looking it up, Oh there's their

1475
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 6: house kind of thing. So I do all that stuff

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01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 6: and ahead of time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think to piggyback off that. Going back to deer,

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: I think it's really important to have a plan. A. B. C.

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01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: D E f G. A lot of times I go

1480
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: in thinking that it's going to happen for me at

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01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: plan A or B, and it ends up being like

1482
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: my fifth or sixth option where I actually, you know,

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01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: find the deer that I that I want. I want

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01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: to hunt all right, Corey previously unexplored areas. When it

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: comes to elk, what are you looking for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for elk, I mean time, like length, the time

1487
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 2: of your hunt is everything. So if you can add

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 2: any time to actually physically scouting. E scouting is great,

1489
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 2: but you're never going to know exactly what the country's like,

1490
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: how long it takes you to get to a spot

1491
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: unless you're physically on the ground. So if you can

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: add a couple of days, whether it's like opening day

1493
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 2: or you got a you know, weekend, even that you're

1494
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: just hunting a new area, if you can get out

1495
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: there in the summer late fall or early fall late

1496
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: summer and get boots on the ground and physically see

1497
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: the country, you're going to just have a massive leg

1498
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: up when you're when you discover elk in that part

1499
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: of the world, and elk are going to be everywhere

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Speaker 2: right like they need the same things deer need and ducks.

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01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: But then they're going to be everywhere on top like

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01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: they're everywhere and they're nowhere at the same time. So

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: you can either stick to one spot and hopefully they'll

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01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 2: move in, or keep roaming around. But adding just a

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01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: day if you can, or a couple of days to

1506
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: your you know, days that you're committed to hunting is massive,

1507
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: just to see the country, get a feel for it,

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: and then if it, you know, doesn't work out in

1509
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 2: your mind as to how good it's going to be,

1510
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: then you can go to Plan B and move on

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: to the next spot.

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Speaker 1: So good advice.

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Speaker 2: Add some time, all right.

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Speaker 1: That brings us to the end of this episode. We

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Speaker 1: have another pre recorded episode of Radio Live next week,

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Speaker 1: but then it's back to our regularly scheduled programming after that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty six. By now,