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Speaker 2: That Count forever. How your pregnancy diet shapes your baby's future.

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Speaker 2: health for a lifetime. Please welcome back to On Purpose Jesse. Jesse,

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Speaker 2: a baby feels bigger and harder than all of those things.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd think that, because it's biological, you just

434
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Speaker 1: know how to do it, and you'd think that society

435
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Speaker 1: would naturally support it to the best of its abilities.

436
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Speaker 1: But actually the food around us today is failing moms.

437
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Speaker 2: If someone is eating a diet of processed foods, they're

438
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Speaker 2: obviously not getting all these key markers, the four that

439
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Speaker 2: you keep telling us, what's happening to that baby? What

440
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Speaker 2: kind of nutrients is it getting?

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Speaker 1: It's getting what it can. The mother's reserves are going

442
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Speaker 1: to be defeated up to a point. There's a limits

443
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Speaker 1: because biology will always favor the mom staying alive, So

444
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Speaker 1: all of the mom's coline is going to get given

445
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Speaker 1: to the baby. But up to a point, the mom's

446
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Speaker 1: muscle mass is going to start shedding to give the

447
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Speaker 1: baby protein. The mom's omega three reserves are going to

448
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: go all to the baby, but again with a limit,

449
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Speaker 1: Like if you don't eat any of these foods, your

450
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Speaker 1: baby will not get enough, quite simply. And I mean

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Speaker 1: same with sugar. Right, It's like, if you eat a

452
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Speaker 1: lot of sugar, your baby's gonna be processing a lot

453
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Speaker 1: of sugar. Now, humans are resilient and nature has a way,

454
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Speaker 1: and so the baby will probably be fine, probably, but

455
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Speaker 1: you're silently setting up that baby for more vulnerability. You're

456
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Speaker 1: silently programming is genes a bit more towards disease. You're

457
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Speaker 1: probably shaping his brain in a way that's not optimal.

458
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Speaker 1: For example, the brain. So today, Jay, you have about

459
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Speaker 1: one hundred billion neurons in your brain. Can you feel them?

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Speaker 2: No? I hope.

461
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Speaker 1: So you have about one hundred billion neurons, and these

462
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Speaker 1: are the brain cells that connect information, that process information.

463
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Speaker 1: These are the same neurons that you had the day

464
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Speaker 1: you were born. Wow, neurons never get replaced. They stay

465
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Speaker 1: with you from the moment you're born until you die.

466
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Speaker 2: So they're getting older.

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Speaker 1: They're getting older, and most importantly, all your neurons give

468
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Speaker 1: or take five percent were created when your mom was

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Speaker 1: pregnant with you, and coline and omega are super important

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Speaker 1: to creating those neurons. And so depending on how much

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Speaker 1: colin and omegathees your mom was having, your brain will

472
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Speaker 1: be shaped differently in the studies than on animals. Again,

473
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Speaker 1: because we can do this in humans, scientists will reduce

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Speaker 1: the amount of colin and omega threes in the mom's diet,

475
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Speaker 1: and then when the baby's born, they look at the

476
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Speaker 1: brains very very closely under the microscope and they see

477
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Speaker 1: that if there's very low levels of colin, the babies

478
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Speaker 1: have fewer neurons and a smaller brain. And they see

479
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Speaker 1: that if the baby had lower, very low levels of

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Speaker 1: omega threes in the womb, when they put the baby

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Speaker 1: through some tests to see intelligence and how crick they

482
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Speaker 1: can get out of mazes. For example, the babies with

483
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Speaker 1: very low omega threes in the roomb take four times

484
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Speaker 1: as long to find the maze. So you probably don't

485
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Speaker 1: know it, but you're walking around with a brain that

486
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Speaker 1: has a few cracks because of your mom not having

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Speaker 1: enough colin and.

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Speaker 2: Data, Why are you assuming that?

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Speaker 1: And listen me too, right, most of our moms where

490
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Speaker 1: a generation that was not given this information, and again

491
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Speaker 1: the food system has been failing them.

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Speaker 2: Do you recommend people getting those from supplements or from food?

493
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Speaker 2: And what does that look like?

494
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Speaker 1: Food is always better absorbed and always cheaper. However, if

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Speaker 1: you don't eat any animal fruits, you should take the supplements.

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Speaker 1: It's just going to be much easier. For example, colin,

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Speaker 1: so four eggs a day is the amount you need

498
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Speaker 1: for your baby. If you're vegan, that would mean you

499
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Speaker 1: have to eat eight pounds of soybeans per day, eight

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Speaker 1: pounds to get enough coling. So take a supplement. It'll

501
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Speaker 1: be way way easier, way easier. For omega threes, you

502
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Speaker 1: could only find them in fish or in algae or krill.

503
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Speaker 1: So if you're vegan, you want to take some supplements

504
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Speaker 1: made from algae. Now I still supplemented with extra omega

505
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Speaker 1: threenes and extra colin, just because I wanted to put

506
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Speaker 1: as much as I could there. But supplements are great.

507
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Speaker 1: But again, like if you're supplementing, the molecules are still

508
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Speaker 1: going to be a bit less well absorbed than if

509
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Speaker 1: you take the real food.

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Speaker 2: Is there any way of knowing whether all of what

511
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Speaker 2: you did has helped your son?

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Speaker 1: I mean he's wonderful. He's very smart, super awake like ivey,

513
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Speaker 1: which means like just you know, he's really present. Is

514
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Speaker 1: there any way I could know?

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's nothing right now that you can

516
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Speaker 2: test or know from to know that it's had a

517
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Speaker 2: positive impact.

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Speaker 1: Well, in the studies, they can test this. For example,

519
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Speaker 1: they take two groups of moms. One group they supplement

520
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Speaker 1: with coline and the other group with a bit less collin.

521
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Speaker 1: What they do is they measure the kid's reaction time

522
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Speaker 1: on these computer tests in the first year of life.

523
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Speaker 1: And the reason scientists do this test is because it

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Speaker 1: correlates to adult IQ and they see that babies developing

525
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Speaker 1: in the room with more coline have faster reaction times

526
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Speaker 1: on that test, meaning they probably are going to have

527
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Speaker 1: higher adult IQ. But me personally, there's nothing I can

528
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Speaker 1: do because I'm not designing a perfect experiment. I didn't

529
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Speaker 1: clone myself and say, Okay, Jesse A is going to

530
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Speaker 1: do this diet, Jesse B this diet, same baby, and

531
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Speaker 1: we're going to see what happens. I have no idea,

532
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Speaker 1: and pregnancy is not everything.

533
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Speaker 2: Right.

534
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Speaker 1: If my son decides all he's going to eat for

535
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Speaker 1: the rest of his life is natella and orange juice.

536
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Speaker 1: He's probably gonna get diabetes. So it is an important

537
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Speaker 1: window of calibration. But I don't know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I just know that as his mom, I was lucky

539
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Speaker 1: enough to find this information, and I feel like I

540
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Speaker 1: did everything that I could to try to set him

541
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Speaker 1: up as well as I could.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. No, No, absolutely, of course,

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Speaker 2: And that's you always trying to do the best you

544
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Speaker 2: can do. What are the foods that mothers when they're

545
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Speaker 2: pregnant need to avoid, Well.

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Speaker 1: I would say the classic ones. So alcohol is one.

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Speaker 1: There was some debate of shree years ago around oh,

548
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Speaker 1: maybe alcohol is not that bad. The thing is, when

549
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Speaker 1: you understand how the biology of it all works. If

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Speaker 1: you drink a glass of wine when you're pregnant and

551
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: your blood alcohol level goes up, your baby's that alcohol

552
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: level in your uterus also goes up by the same amount.

553
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Speaker 1: So when people say, oh, glass of wine is fine

554
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Speaker 1: during pregnancy, I'm like, when your baby is born, would

555
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: you give him red wine in his bottle? No, you're

556
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Speaker 1: doing the same thing.

557
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's crazy and what impact does that have.

558
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: Well, we know that very high alcohol levels can lead

559
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Speaker 1: to proper, proper, proper health conditions with babies born with

560
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: a lot of disability. But the one glass a day,

561
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: we don't really know. It seems to be fine, but

562
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Speaker 1: what's happening in the brain, we're not sure. In animal

563
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: studies they show that even the equivalent of one glass

564
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: a day needs the brain forming differently than it should.

565
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Speaker 1: So that's one thing. Another thing to avoid. I mean cigarettes,

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Speaker 1: all drugs, toxic chemicals if you can, because again they

567
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: go into your baby's bloodstream.

568
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Speaker 2: What kind of toxic chemicals the ones we don't think about,

569
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Speaker 2: the ones that you had to really clear out.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. I think the big ones is

571
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Speaker 1: like asbestos, mold cleaning particides, so there's no stuff on those.

572
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, probably it's a good idea. I try to

573
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Speaker 1: clean everything with vinegar. Yeah, I either drink it or

574
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Speaker 1: acan with it. That's a good idea. I also was

575
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Speaker 1: very careful with plastics, so I was wearing invisilines, you know,

576
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: the teeth retainers, and I took them out during pregnancy

577
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Speaker 1: because I saw some studies that show that there's minuscule

578
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Speaker 1: amounts of plastic that can be leaching into your body,

579
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Speaker 1: so I thought might as well be safe. But again

580
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Speaker 1: this is very early stuff, so.

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Speaker 2: Even drinking from a plastic water bottle.

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Speaker 1: I try to avoid that for myself. Also because the

583
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Speaker 1: microplastics you want to avoid heating plastic in the microwave.

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Speaker 1: We're eating out of a warm or hot plastic container,

585
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: plastic bottles or a big, big one, so I lose

586
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: it all the time. But I buy a nice aluminum

587
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: water bottle and then I lose it after for it

588
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: I have to buy another one, but I try to

589
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Speaker 1: drink out of those for sure. And then the big

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Speaker 1: one we don't think about is like sugar. That's something

591
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: that goes directly into your baby's boodstream that your baby

592
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Speaker 1: also has to deal with. So I did all this

593
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Speaker 1: work on glucose, right, Maybe we can go back to

594
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Speaker 1: that a little bit, because I think the parallels between

595
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Speaker 1: adults glucose levels and the baby are interesting. So glucose

596
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Speaker 1: is our body's favorite source of energy. All the cells

597
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: in our body use it for energy, so our fingers

598
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: to move, our hearts, to pump, our brains to think,

599
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And we give glucose by eating carbs, which

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Speaker 1: I explained starches like bread, pasta, ryoceed potatoes, or sugars

601
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Speaker 1: like apple juice and chocolate cake. We talked about this

602
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: in our preist episode. But if you give your body

603
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Speaker 1: too much glucose, you get what's called a glucose spike

604
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Speaker 1: and these are not good. And these are not good

605
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: because they increase inflammation and they lead to your body

606
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: needing to turn that glucose into fat to protect itself

607
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Speaker 1: from the high glucose levels. And then after the spike

608
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: comes the crash and lots of glucose spikes over time

609
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Speaker 1: can lead to many symptoms and consequences. So when you're

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Speaker 1: pregnant your baby, his blood stream and your blood stream

611
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: are pretty much connected. There's no filter. So when you

612
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Speaker 1: have a glucosepike, your baby inside your uterus also has

613
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Speaker 1: a glucose spike.

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Speaker 2: And what's that training the baby's body to do?

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Speaker 1: Well? It does exactly what you do, meaning it registers

616
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Speaker 1: inflammation and it also has to deal with the spike,

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Speaker 1: so it has to crush, yeah, and it has to

618
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: turn the glucose into fat to manage the spike. So

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Speaker 1: your baby's body as he's developing, is like, oh, glucose spike, Okay,

620
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Speaker 1: I'll take some glucose and I need, But the glucose

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Speaker 1: I don't need. I'm going to store it as fat.

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Speaker 1: And that's why we see that baby's fat mass at

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Speaker 1: birth is perfectly correlated to the mother's glucose levels. So

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Speaker 1: the higher your glucose levels during pregnancy, the more fat

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00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: mass your baby is born.

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Speaker 2: The baby's really cute.

627
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: So absolutely super cute, but if there's a lot of fat,

628
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: it's a sign that your baby had to deal with

629
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Speaker 1: a very high glucose environment when he was in your belly.

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Speaker 2: Are they taking energy away from other areas of growth

631
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Speaker 2: by having to process that.

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I don't know if they're taking

633
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: energy away. But the main thing that's going on is

634
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: that repeated glucose pikes is increasing inflammation.

635
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Speaker 2: So it's setting them up for having in inflammatory body

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Speaker 2: long term.

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Speaker 1: It's doing a few things. Yes. One thing, yes, second

638
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: thing is it's training their body that to put on

639
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: fat like put on fat, put on fat, put on fat,

640
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: so that you know how to store glucose away quickly.

641
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: And so in animals we see that high sugar diets

642
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: during pregnancy means that the babies have these switches activated

643
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: on the genes for storing fat, so they are set up.

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00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: They're calibrated to be really good at storing fat. And

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Speaker 1: we all have friends who eat the same diet as

646
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: another friend, but one friend puts on much more weight

647
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: than the other. And then the other thing that happens

648
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Speaker 1: Jay has to do with your baby's brain. And this

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Speaker 1: is an entire incredible universe. So, as I said, all

650
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Speaker 1: of your neurons are being built during pregnancy, and so

651
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: you have the neurons in your brain, pure, pure, lots

652
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: of neurons being created, two hundred and fifty thousand neurons

653
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: per minute during pregnancy. Okay, but that's not all in

654
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: your baby's brain. There's also another type of cell. And

655
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: these cells are called the microglia. They kind of look

656
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: like starfish. They're like hello, microglia, and they are sort

657
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: of your baby's rangers. They're in your baby's brain as

658
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: he's growing his brain, and they detect problems. They say, oh,

659
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: that neuron is not shaping out as it should. I'm

660
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: going to go grab it and destroy it. That neuron

661
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: is not connecting very well, or it looks a bit weird.

662
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to go grab it and destroy it. So

663
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: the microglia, the little starfish patrols are pruning your baby's

664
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: neurons to eliminate all the damaged ones. Now, the problem

665
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: is when we have high inflammation levels in a baby's

666
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: body do one of the causes can be the high

667
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: glucose levels. These microglia they kind of freak out and

668
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: they become overactive, so they start pruning neurons that should

669
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: not be pruned. So they're killing healthy neurons. They're making mistakes,

670
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: they're going a bit too far in their role, so

671
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: the brain is not being shaped as optimally as it could.

672
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: And scientists believe that this is why moms who have

673
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: gestational diabetes have kids at a twenty five percent higher

674
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: risk of developing autism, because is an association. Yeah, it's terrifying.

675
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: So it's an association. And it's actually not just autism,

676
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: but all psychiatric disorders are more common in babies of

677
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: moms who have distational diabetes, and again, scientists believe it

678
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: has to do with these overacting mioveractive microglia in the brain.

679
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: I want to be cautious here because it's pretty heavy stuck.

680
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: So what we're talking about here is an association. We're

681
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: not saying gestational diabetes causes autism, and still the numbers

682
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: are very low. For example, you go from three and

683
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: one hundred kids having autism in the general population to

684
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: four and one hundred kids having autism in moms who've

685
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: had gitational diabetes. It's an association. The numbers are still low,

686
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: but the signal is very strong. This is from studies

687
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: done on tens of millions of moms. This association remains.

688
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: So listen, it's a very you know, psychiatric disorder. It's

689
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 1: very big topic, lots of variables, lots of factors, but

690
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: it seems that perhaps high inflammation during pregnancy could be

691
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: one of many factors that is relevant in this quest

692
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: to try to understand these disorders. So again, it's just

693
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: shocking all the stuff that science knows, and it's shocking

694
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: how little parents are told.

695
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's and it's hard because the way I'm

696
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: listening to him, like it feels like so much pressure

697
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: on the mom, Like all of this feels like and

698
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: you've just been through the process yourself, Like it's hard

699
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: work because you're almost testing your discipline and your willpower

700
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: at a time when you're trying to co create a baby,

701
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: which you've never done before. If it's your first time

702
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: doing it, it's your second time. Sure you've had some experience,

703
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: but it feels like so much, and it feels like

704
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: the stress of it. And I think we're kind of

705
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: like this in society like today we have in the past,

706
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: we didn't have information. Today we have information, and sometimes

707
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: more information creates more stress, and then we all get

708
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: to this place where we're like, oh, I'm just gonna

709
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: do what I can because I can't handle this. But

710
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: this has real as you say in this book, these

711
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: nine months count forever, like this has a lifetime impact.

712
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: So in one sense, we can't be as Okay, I'll

713
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: do my best because we know what it takes. How

714
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: do you encourage moms to think about the stress component

715
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: of this or which I'm sure you had to navigate yourself. Yeah.

716
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: I think the first thing we need to understand this

717
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: is not the mom's fault. Society has excused my own

718
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: language up. The food that is available today, the food

719
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: that is cheap, the food that's at the grocery store,

720
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: the food that they serve you even at the hospital

721
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: is bad for us, and it's leading to all sorts

722
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: of stuff from heart disease to diabetes. I mean, we're

723
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: all sick because of our food system. And it's also

724
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: failing pregnant moms, like it's failing everybody else. And so,

725
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: just like with everything else, we have to say, shit,

726
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: we are in a bad situation. Food around us is

727
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: not helping us. What can I do? What are small

728
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: things I can do to try to put the odds

729
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: back in my favor. And just like with my glucose hacks,

730
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I teach people how to you know, reverse diabetes for example. Here,

731
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, ladies, we're in a bad situation. Society

732
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: is not helping us. Here are simple things that we

733
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: can do to help us navigate this food landscape during

734
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: pregnancy and Jay, it is a lot of pressure, like

735
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: you're building a human and I'm never going to be

736
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: able to take that pressure away. I felt it too,

737
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping that with this book, I'm going to

738
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: lead moms away from like the overwhelming Instagram information and

739
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: that barrage of like stuff and be like, these are

740
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: four things that if you do them, you're going to

741
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: have an outsized positive effect on your baby's development and

742
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: long term health.

743
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's stressful.

744
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: It's so stressful to be pregnant because no matter what

745
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: you do, and even now that I have my baby

746
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: who's born, I feel like, no matter what I do,

747
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: I could have done it better. I'm gonna feel guilty

748
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: of this, guilty of that. Like it's tough. It's tough.

749
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: But if we go back to science and we go

750
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: back to simple stuff that has a big impact, I

751
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: truly believe we can navigate that pressure with a bit

752
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: more ease and serenity.

753
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: And I appreciate you saying it's not, you know, the

754
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: woman's fault, because.

755
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: Biologically, jay babies are developing in female bodies and that's

756
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: just biology. But everybody is responsible for the society we

757
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: live in. We're not going to hold moms responsible for

758
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: the food at the grocery store, you see what I mean.

759
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: So it's just like this is a biological thing and

760
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: society as a whole is failing. Governments need to be

761
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: reading this, We need to be teaching this in medical school,

762
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: like doctors need to be talking about this. For example,

763
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: Collin that ninety percent of moms are not getting enough.

764
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: In the United States, only six percent of healthcare practitioners

765
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: talk about colling to pregnant moms. The surveys show this.

766
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: So the system is broken and it's it's so not

767
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: the mom's fault. It's a systematic issue and we need

768
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: to find a way.

769
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, your doctor is not telling you you get to

770
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: the grocery store, it's not available. Obviously you don't know

771
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: that from your parents. You're left in a really, really

772
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: difficult position. I know. I mean, is there also a

773
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: connection between and I'm asking because I genuinely don't know,

774
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: is there a connection between diet and miscarriage?

775
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: So for a few core things, So folic acid is one,

776
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: So that's why doctors will always tell you to take

777
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: a folic acid supplement because if you have very low levels,

778
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: then miscarriage is more likely. But colin is also associated

779
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: with miscarriage when it's too low, and that's something people

780
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: don't talk about. And listen, I was eating colin, I

781
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: was taking my foll the gast settlement, and I still

782
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: had a miscarriage. So you can do your best, but

783
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: some things are completely out of your control, for sure.

784
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: For sure, and the flip side of that is that

785
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: even if you do nothing that's in this book, even

786
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: if you've had kids before, they're probably going to be Okay.

787
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about small optimizations. We're talking about as you saw,

788
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: like three percent to four percent small stuff. I'm fine,

789
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: you're fine, You're fine. Our moms didn't eat any colin

790
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: omega threes a lot of sugar were Okay. Humans are resilient.

791
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: But if we know this, we need to tell people

792
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: about it.

793
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's also as you grow older,

794
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: you actually start to realize how much all these things

795
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: matter more when it comes to long term health, like

796
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: the vulnerability you mean, yeah, like mental health, Like you

797
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 2: don't realize this in your twenties or when your kids

798
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: are teenager, when you know your body's doing all the

799
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: best work. But when you hit your forties and your

800
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: fifties and people go on, that's when you start to notice, Oh,

801
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: I've had information in my body for years, but with

802
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: mental health conditions that are based on that. When you

803
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: look at all the impacts, like I appreciate what you're

804
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: saying that humans of resilient will survive, but the reality

805
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: also is that you start to see the vulnerabilities and

806
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: the cracks and the body in the mind as we

807
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: get older that you don't appreciate when your kid's young

808
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: and everything generally hopefully feels healthy and touched with. I

809
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: really appreciate you sharing your own experience because I'd say

810
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: pretty much like seventy five percent of my friends who've

811
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: tried to conceive in the last twenty four months have

812
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: experienced at least one miscarriage, if not more. And I

813
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 2: feel like it's an area that isn't talked about enough.

814
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: It isn't shared enough unless you really are really close

815
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: friends with quite a lot of people, and there seems

816
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 2: to be at least some pain, and maybe there's even

817
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: guilt and shame attached to it. For many mothers that

818
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: I've spoken to, talk to me about the fact that

819
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: you thought you were doing everything right and then you

820
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: go through that. What is that experience like?

821
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: So I'll take you back to the beginning, so I'll

822
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: tell the whole story. So and I decided to try

823
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: to have a baby. This was two years ago something,

824
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: and I got pregnant really quickly in two months, and

825
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: I had no cares in the world. I was just

826
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: very nauseous, but I thought I would think it would

827
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: be fine. So we go to the first ultrasound and

828
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: they find a heartbeat. I'm like, oh my god, great,

829
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: my baby's going to be born in December. How wonderful.

830
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 1: Oh man, we've got to move now, you get into

831
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: the process. I go back at the three month mark

832
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: for the next ultrasound to check everything's fine. And I

833
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: get to the doctor's office and I lay down and

834
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: they put this gel on your belly, and then they

835
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: put this weird wand thing to see inside your belly,

836
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: and there's there was a screen in front of me

837
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: that showed me the image in real time of what

838
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: he was seeing. So he put the thing on my belly,

839
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: turn the machine on. The image popped up on the screen,

840
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: and I just I just knew instantly that there was

841
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: a big problem. The embryo on the image had not grown,

842
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: and it was this is kind of a crude image,

843
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: but it was sort of laying at the bottom of

844
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: my uterus, a little bit like you would see a

845
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: dead fish at the bottom of an aquarium. Like I

846
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: could see that it was lifeless, and just this the

847
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: ground was ripped out of under my feet. Now I

848
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my God, the embryo is dead. I

849
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: had experience what was called a silent miscarriage, silent being

850
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: the keyword here, meaning I had no symptoms. Most people

851
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: when they have a miscarriage, they start bleeding, they have crams,

852
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: and the body expulses the embryo. I had no symptoms.

853
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: I had been walking around for a month with a

854
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: dead embryo because they can see when it stopped developing,

855
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: and I had no clue, no idea. It was so

856
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: freaking painful. So I needed to have a surgery where

857
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: they take the embryo out, which was terrible in it

858
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: brought back all this trauma of my back. Surgery was

859
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: just so bad, and then I just spiraled and I

860
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: think I saw you like two weeks after, and I

861
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: was like, Jay, I'm really not okay. And I felt

862
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: like if emotions could kill me, i'd be dead. That's

863
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: the intensity I was feeling. Because it's not just like

864
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: you lost their pregnancy. Is you lost the entire narrative.

865
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: You lost the life that you had projected and planned.

866
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Oh, in December, I'm not going

867
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: to have a baby. It's so rough, And I was

868
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: so scared. Am I going to be able to get

869
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: pregnant again? Is this gonna happen again? All of a sudden,

870
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: all my friends were pregnant around me, and they were fine.

871
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: You know, It's just like, all of a sudden, everybody

872
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: was pregnant on Instagram. I felt so so so sad,

873
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: and I felt so angry, and I didn't understand why

874
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: it had it happened to me. I was like, why me?

875
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: And then I started talking to my friends and family.

876
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: I found out that my mom had had mischaracters, and

877
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: she had never told me, my stepmom, my grandmother, my

878
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: closest friend. All of a sudden, the tongue's untied. But

879
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: because I didn't know about these stories beforehand, I was

880
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: not prepared. I had no clue that this could happen

881
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: to me. Therefore, I fell from so so high. I

882
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: even told people I was pregnant. The I got the

883
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: positive pregnancy test. Usually you wait until three months because

884
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: that's when you know it's probably gonna be okay. I

885
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got pregnancy test positive. I called

886
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: up everybody, Am I gotta having a baby? I had

887
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: no conception and am somebody? I consider myself pretty well informed,

888
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: But yet I was. I was so lost, and then

889
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: the grief was so deep and so painful. But yet

890
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: at the same time, I wanted to try getting pregnant again,

891
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: and I was asking myself, do I have to have

892
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: fully grieved this pregnancy before I allow myself to have

893
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: another pregnancy. And then I realized that that grief was

894
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: always going to be there and coexist. I was never

895
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: going to be able to completely say goodbye to it.

896
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: So we tried again. I got pregnant again, and then

897
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: followed the most stressful mind months of my life because

898
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: every day I thought maybe there's a problem, and I

899
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: don't know.

900
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: You wake up with that feeling. It's the worst.

901
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: Because for the first four or five months, you don't

902
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: feel the baby. So I was just spiraling. I went

903
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: to the doctor so many times. I was so embarrassed.

904
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I wanted so many ultrasounds that I started seeing two

905
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: different doctors and they didn't know about each other. Because

906
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: I felt so embarrassed of how much I wanted to

907
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: get I got like ten ultrasounds in the first three

908
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: months four months ten usually you get like two. So anyway,

909
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: it was terrible and it was really, really, really painful.

910
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: And then when my son was born. I felt like

911
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't acts anymore because I was like, okay, easier,

912
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: he's alive, He's okay. But it was an awful experience,

913
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: and I wish that more people had told me about

914
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: their own miscarriages so that I felt a bit less alone.

915
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: I would even find I would go and google and

916
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: be like celebrities, we have had miscarriages, and I saw, oh,

917
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: Beyonce had a miscarriage. Okay, I feel less alone.

918
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 2: Now.

919
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: That's how much I wanted connection. That's how lost I felt.

920
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gabrielle Unions talked about it at Lant Experiences of

921
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: Multiple and did just yeah, it's uh gosh. I mean

922
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's one of those things that it

923
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how even how common it is. It's like

924
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: the loss and the grieving and the experience of it

925
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: is so heavy.

926
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: And few people know how to hold space for it.

927
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: Talk to me about that, you're grieving, You're properly grieving,

928
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's one of the only griefs that

929
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: people don't know how to manage. Usually when grief comes

930
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: up in life, we kind of know what to do.

931
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: We check in with the person, we say you're okay,

932
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: do you want me to come over with miscarriage grief?

933
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: It feels different because it's invisible, nobody physical diet, And

934
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: so I got a range of responses from people saying, oh,

935
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: it's just nature, drink, it's things, don't worry to people

936
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: saying like okay, well just move on and you know

937
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: it'll work next time. It was like, you don't understand,

938
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: it's not about that, And then there were amazing people

939
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: who also just knew to just hold it. But it

940
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: makes it makes a lot of us very uncomfortable because

941
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: we don't know how to handle it and all you really,

942
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: all I really wanted was just people to say, I'm

943
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: so sorry, this must be so hard. Yeah, can I

944
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: bring you a chocolate cake? That's all I wanted. Yeah.

945
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

946
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: So it's just like it's just like any emotion. Do

947
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: you want it to be held better? But we're not educated.

948
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you do great work to help people know

949
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: how to how to deal this with emotion and hold it,

950
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's rough.

951
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's shocking to me that people even still think

952
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: they can say things like oh well just move on

953
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: and work out, and I get it. It's coming from

954
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: a good.

955
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: They want to be positive totally.

956
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 2: It's coming from a good place. But it's like, I

957
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: think we're so far past the thinking that positive out

958
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: pace is like a difficult emotion and that you can't

959
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: just put a band aid on it and be happy

960
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: about it. And and also just I think I love

961
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: what you said. It's it's giving people space to tell

962
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: you how they feel and what's going on and that

963
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 2: it is hard. And if they say it isn't, then

964
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: that's okay too. But it's it's letting people tell you

965
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: their story. That's all you can do. You can't you

966
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: going to solve it or fix it. And I think

967
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: that's where it comes from. It's like we want to

968
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: fix it. We want to solve it because it's almost

969
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for us to sit there with them. Yeah, and

970
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 2: I really am happy that you shared it because I'm

971
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: hoping that a lot more people who listen to this

972
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: will also look to you and go wow, Like Jesse,

973
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: he was doing everything right and still this experience happened.

974
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: That's the thing. I was doing everything that I knew of.

975
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: I was taking the supplements, I was eating the eggs,

976
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: I was doing all the stuff I wasn't doing any

977
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: of the harmful things we know could impact the baby.

978
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: I was not bungee jumping, I was not drinking vodka.

979
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: You know, is there any research to suggest what causes

980
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: a miscarriage? Does anything exist?

981
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you kind of see these pi sharts that

982
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: show you the percentage likelihood. So maybe it's an nutritional

983
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: deficiency like Folly to Colling. Maybe it's a chromosomal abnormality,

984
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: meaning that the chromosomes in the sperm and the egg

985
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: were slightly messed up. And as you age, your eggs

986
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: and your sperm have more abnormalities, which is why miscarriages

987
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: or common as you advance an age. So maybe my

988
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: egg had a chromosome that was missing or a problem.

989
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: Maybe my husband's sperm had a problem in his chromosomes.

990
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: We don't know, but in a way it's quote unquote

991
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: good because a miscarriage means that embryo was probably not viable.

992
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: Other reasons could be your placenta, which is the organ

993
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: that helps grow the baby. Maybe there was an issue there.

994
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: Maybe your body was not able to hold onto their pregnancy.

995
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: And it's probably a lot of stuff that we don't

996
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: even know about, but in most cases, you can't control it,

997
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: and so that's why it's it's stressful.

998
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I can't imagine it.

999
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to hold it lightly, you know.

1000
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: And my therapist said something amazing. So when I was

1001
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: pregnant with my son, so my second pregnancy, and I

1002
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 1: was like four months in and I was still super stressed.

1003
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: I was like, well, what if I miss Carab what

1004
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: if I lose him? And she was like, you don't

1005
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: know how long you're going to have this baby, but

1006
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: for as long as you have him, you can choose

1007
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: to love him. Because I was even keeping myself from

1008
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: love and from George during my second pregnancy until like

1009
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: the fifth month mark because I was so anxious. I

1010
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: didn't want to reopen my heart because I was so scared.

1011
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: And after she said that, I was like, Okay, you

1012
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: know what, Yes I can allow myself to love and

1013
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: love is vulnerable. But I'm glad I did. But it

1014
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: was hard. Yeah, that's very hard. And we waited six

1015
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: months to tell our friends and family. That's how stress

1016
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 1: we were. Six months.

1017
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 2: It's real. It's like one thing is going through a

1018
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: health problem on your own, and it's a whole nother thing.

1019
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: When you're taking care of someone else, and it's yeah,

1020
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: I've seen my friends go through it, and thankfully a

1021
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 2: lot of them have also had babies on their second

1022
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: or third time round, and but yeah, I've seen it.

1023
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: Just how hard it is for the couple too. And

1024
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: we've been talking about the loss of you know, the

1025
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: grieving that you're going through, the loss of the baby

1026
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: or the life you were going to have, but even

1027
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: how it affects the husband and wife or the boyfriend,

1028
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: girl from partners, whatever it may be. Just that's heavy too,

1029
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: totally and it's not easy. Another thing you raises challenges

1030
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: for moms in their nine months is fatigue. And you know,

1031
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: we've been talking about stress somewhat and that's how we

1032
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: went off in this direction. But that fatigue that you

1033
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: get by being pregnant, and that naturally wants you to

1034
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 2: have sugar and then naturally wants you to have cobs

1035
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: and like all the stuff that we're so like, what

1036
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: do you do when you're tired?

1037
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: Well, I totally get it. I was there too. And

1038
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: what's interesting about the sugar is that you think it's

1039
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: giving you energy, it's actually not. It's giving you dopamine.

1040
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Dopamine is the pleasure molecule in your brain, so you

1041
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: feel kind of awake, like whoa, I'm awake. You think

1042
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: it's energy. It's not. But it's okay because sugar helps

1043
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: us feel better. And I totally am there. I was

1044
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: there too. So what I did is I always made

1045
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: sure to not have sugar on an empty stomach. Why

1046
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: because this is going to create a big spike and

1047
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: a big drop and more fatigue, and it's going to

1048
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: create a big spike that's also going to go into

1049
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 1: my baby's betstream. So always sugar after a meal, never

1050
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: for breakfast, for example. And if I felt sometimes I

1051
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: felt really really hungry, like I was just like, well,

1052
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 1: I need to eat so much today, and that was

1053
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: probably my body telling me you need more food. So

1054
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: I would eat spaghetti. I would eat all the carbs

1055
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: I wanted. But again I would do that in certain ways.

1056
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: So for example, I would always have the carbs after

1057
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: a veggie starter built around vegetables, because the fiber in

1058
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: the veggies creates this protection in your intestine and it

1059
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: slows down how quickly gluca arrives into your bloodstream. So

1060
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to eat the carbs that

1061
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm craving, but with the hacks so that I reduce

1062
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: spikes and inflammation in my body and in my baby's body.

1063
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: And all this is in the chapter in nine Months

1064
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: Account Forever about blood, sugar and glucose. And you can

1065
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: use all of the hacks around my glucose work except one,

1066
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: which is vinegar. So if you do want to do

1067
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: the vinegar hack during pregnancy, you have to make sure

1068
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: that it's pasteurized because you want to make sure that

1069
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: it's safe to consume for you and your baby. And

1070
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: the hack is the following. You take one tablespoon of

1071
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: vinegar in a big glass of water before you eat carbs,

1072
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: and this can reduce to glucose spike by up to

1073
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: thirty percent.

1074
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: Yes, this is your your magic formula.

1075
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: And the thing is here. What it does, It just

1076
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: slows down how quickly glucose arrives in your bloodstream because

1077
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: it slows down the digestion of the carbs. So it's

1078
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: not erasing the carbs. It's fine to have carbs, and

1079
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, your baby needs more carbs as pregnancy progresses,

1080
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: but it's helping them arrive more calmly bloodstream like not

1081
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: so brucely, and that's the whole point. We want to

1082
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: have the carbs beloved with less spike, so less inflammation,

1083
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: and less drop so less fatigue and more cravings. Yes,

1084
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: it's all about like working with the cravings.

1085
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: You know, any other hacks that we have to know

1086
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: that women listening need to.

1087
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,919
Speaker 1: Know, Well, if you feel like moving, even just going

1088
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: for a quick walk can be super helpful. Not only

1089
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: does it help with your blood sugar levels.

1090
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: But I still walk for ten minutes after eating dinner

1091
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: every nice that's amazing.

1092
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: But during pregnancy, exercise seems to be doing something incredible.

1093
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: So this is one of my favorite studies. Okay that

1094
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: I discovered pregnancy. So scientists took two groups of rats.

1095
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: Both groups were pregnant, and they put them in the

1096
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: same house as same diet, same lighting, everything. The only

1097
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: difference was one group of rats had these tiny little

1098
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: treadmills and they had to walk on the treadmill for

1099
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: thirty minutes a day every day doing their pregnancy. The

1100
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: other group did not do any exercise. That was the

1101
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: only difference. Then the babies were born and the scientists

1102
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: put the babies in these mazes and they measured the

1103
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: baby's anxiety levels. They found that the babies from the

1104
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: moms who exercised solved the mazes twice as fast, Wow,

1105
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: and had eighty percent fewer anxiety symptoms. No way, the

1106
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: only difference was the physical activity during pregnancy.

1107
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1108
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: So even if you just walk, it's going to help

1109
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 1: your glucose levels and gonna help probably your baby's brain development.

1110
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: There's ten thousand steps.

1111
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, when you're pregnant, one step feels like ten

1112
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: thousand steps. So do what you can. Oh, do what

1113
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: you can. I loved walking. I was personally. I went

1114
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: and weightlifted at the gym until like my eight and

1115
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: a half month of pregnancy, and it was very hard,

1116
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: but it felt good after I was done. That's the

1117
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,959
Speaker 1: only thing I could do all day. I was like, Okay,

1118
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to the gym today, and I would just

1119
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: muster up all my courage with my big belly. And

1120
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: I was living in Montmarch and Peris, which is very

1121
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: on top of this hill, and I was living in

1122
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: this apartment which was a fifth story walk up.

1123
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,919
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah.

1124
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: So I moved when I was eight months, but before then,

1125
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: I just naturally was in a situation to walk all

1126
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, so do what you can even if

1127
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: you can't move. One of my favorite hacks is the

1128
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: calf raise hack. So you put your feet on the

1129
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: ground like this and you do some calf phraises. So

1130
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: you do like push ups with your with your shins,

1131
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: with your calves. This is very powerful. I'm reducing a

1132
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: gluco spike after meal and also counts as exercise.

1133
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: To solve it twice as quick and have that much

1134
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: less anxiety. That's huge.

1135
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: And listen, this isn't rats. Do we know if it's

1136
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: happening in humans. We don't know. We just know the

1137
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: exercise is very good during pregnancy, and babies of moms

1138
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: who are exercise tend to have better emotional regulation. But

1139
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: we haven't done a study being like, okay, two groups

1140
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: of moms, samehouse, same die, same lighting, one tread not.

1141
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: We can't do that.

1142
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can do that, but animal studies are really

1143
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: really helpful.

1144
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do pregnant moms do if they're experiencing a

1145
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: lot of bloating?

1146
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: Hmm, that's a very good question. I think some of

1147
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 1: the bloating is hormonal, especially in the first trimester, and

1148
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: then probably similar stuff as you would do the rest

1149
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: of the time. So counterintuitively, you actually want to have

1150
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: more fiber. Sometimes if you increase fiber very quickly, it's

1151
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: going to lead to a lot of bloating, so you

1152
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: want to make sure you're doing that slowly, and then honesty.

1153
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: Sugars is a big one, So if you reduce your

1154
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: sugar intake, generally bloating goes down. And sometimes you have

1155
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: food sensitivities that can increase bloating also, But that's a

1156
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: big topic.

1157
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing we haven't talked about before we get

1158
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 2: into a game we made for you. Yeah, one thing

1159
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about is how does the man's diet

1160
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: affect his sperm and effect. You know, we touched on

1161
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: it briefly when we're talking about discourages, but like, how

1162
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: important is that? How valuable is that?

1163
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: So the man's diet before conception is going to set

1164
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: up his sperm qual for sure. We know that the

1165
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: problem is from the moment conception happens. The entire responsibility

1166
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 1: of the diet is in the female body. For example,

1167
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: so women have these eggs, right, and the sperm meets

1168
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: the egg. The sperm only brings DNA, he's not bringing

1169
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: anything else. The egg is ten thousand times bigger than

1170
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: the sperm because it contains DNA and also food. So

1171
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: the mom's diet is more important to the development than

1172
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: the dad's diets. The dad's diet is important preconceptions. For example,

1173
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: my husband three months before trying to get pregnant. Both

1174
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: times he cut out alcohol, He was exercising a lot,

1175
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: he was really careful with his sugar. He did all

1176
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: of that, and then he kind of threw me the

1177
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: ball and I was in charge. But it is helpful

1178
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: for the dad to have a healthy lifestyle, especially preconception.

1179
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just I feel like none of this has

1180
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 2: ever talked about, Like we almost like just have kids

1181
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: without thinking about it, and this.

1182
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: It works, right, Like it works. But if in a

1183
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: world where we have all these incredible scientific studies we

1184
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: need to know about them.

1185
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: It works. But I also think we're noticing long term

1186
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: the ramifications of thing.

1187
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: Let me make you a little list of my problems.

1188
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: So I have an unhealthy obsession with cats. You know,

1189
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: I have existential crises all the time, lots of mental

1190
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: health issues, deepersonalization, dissociation, anxiety, depression, cusp of pre diabetes

1191
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: when I was twenty five, Like I was two points

1192
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: away from pre diabetes. Problems with emotional regulation, like emotions

1193
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: can really overwhelm me. I am really bad at running fast.

1194
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on. Okay, some of these things,

1195
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe they're genetic. Some of these things maybe they have

1196
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: to do with my mom's diet in the room, Maybe

1197
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: they have to do with my child child experiences like

1198
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: who knows, but for sure, the nine months of pregnancy

1199
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: calibrate things their window of outsized influence. And so today

1200
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm after knowing about all the science, I'm certain that

1201
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: my mom's diet if it had been slightly more higher

1202
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: in calling omega three is protein and lore and sugar,

1203
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it would feel different today.

1204
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those are all doable, they're practical. Exactly, that

1205
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: makes sense. And add on a couple of hacks that

1206
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: you just mentioned.

1207
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: So what's wrong with you now, let's make it this

1208
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

1209
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I've got plenty as well. I've got

1210
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 2: plenty of good stuff too, So I'm trying to think

1211
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: about like what my mom would have done right with

1212
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: like and then of course there's so much nurture. But

1213
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: there is what is fascinating is when I talk to

1214
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: my friends who have kids. Of course I'm only talking

1215
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: to people I don't have kids. When I talk to

1216
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: my friends who have kids, they're like, oh my god,

1217
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: that kid came out completely different to the other one.

1218
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: Like kids have personalities, kids have their own way of being,

1219
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 2: they have their own aura and life, and so there

1220
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: is so much that's being affected by how they're created,

1221
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: because all babies don't just come out all the same

1222
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: as well.

1223
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and then depending on your diet, you will program

1224
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: your kids differently. Yeah, if you have a different diet

1225
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: during two pregnancies, your baby's epigenetics probably different. And then

1226
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: of course you have whatever you want to call the

1227
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: soul or what it is. And then you have how

1228
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: you grow up. You have your experiences, they shape you.

1229
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: Everything is important.

1230
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 2: What's the study that hasn't been done that you'd wish

1231
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 2: we could do to understand pregnancy better?

1232
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: It would be very unethical. If we really wanted to

1233
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: measure the impact, we would recruit one thousand women, and

1234
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: half of them we would say, eat what you normally

1235
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: were going to eat, don't worry about it, and the

1236
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: other half. We would make sure that they're getting all

1237
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: the nutrients to talk about in this book, and we

1238
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: would sub them in them and give them all the colon,

1239
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: all the protein, all the OGA threes. We would make

1240
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: sure that they're below the WHO recommendation for sugar. And

1241
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: then the babies come out. Then we would follow them

1242
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: for thirty forty fifty years and we would see what happened. Actually,

1243
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: while this is impossible, something happened in the UK that

1244
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: was kind of close. Do you know about this?

1245
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: No?

1246
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So from nineteen forty to nineteen fifty three in

1247
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: the UK there was a sugar ration. The government reduced

1248
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: the amount of sugar that everybody could eat on a

1249
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: daily basis. People had a ration, an allowance. Everybody had

1250
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: forty grams of sugar allowed per day. This was during

1251
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: the war and it was a way to manage resources.

1252
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: So everybody got ten sugar cubes a day. That's it. Moms, grandparents,

1253
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: pregnant moms, everybody forty grams of sugar py day. This

1254
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: lasted thirteen years. Then all of a sudden the ration

1255
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: was lifted. People went back to eating what they usually ate,

1256
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: which meant eighty grams of sugar per day. So all

1257
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden, everybody in the UK went from forty

1258
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: grams to eighty grams of sugar per day. And scientists

1259
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands were like, ah, this is

1260
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: really interesting because this means that we have babies who

1261
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: were developing when pregnant moms ate forty grams of sugar,

1262
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: and then just after we have babies developing when moms

1263
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: were eating eighty grams of sugar during pregnancy. And the

1264
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: scientists wondered if they could see any differences in the

1265
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: baby's health because the only thing that had changed was

1266
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: the amount of sugar. So they called up they found

1267
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: the medical records, and they called sixty thousand people, and

1268
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: they saw that the babies who were developing when sugar

1269
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: was lower had a fifteen percent lower likelihood of having

1270
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: developed type of diabetes in their lifetime compared to their

1271
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 1: peers who were developing and born after the sugar ration,

1272
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: who had a higher likelihood of diabetes. So what does

1273
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: this mean. It means that reducing or sugar intake during

1274
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: pregnancy is associated with lifelong benefit less vulnerability to diabetes,

1275
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: lifelong in your baby for their entire life, and the

1276
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: only change was the number of sugar cubes per day.

1277
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? Today most moms eate eighty grams of

1278
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: sugar per day, which is the level that was shown

1279
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: to have higher diabetes risk. The WHO recommends twenty five grams,

1280
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: which is lower than the sugar ration. So even if

1281
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: you just look at your diet during pregnancy, you're like, Okay,

1282
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to just reduce my even five

1283
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: grams ten grams one sugar. Instead of having an orange juice,

1284
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a whole orange that's twenty grams

1285
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: of sugar gone. Just these small tweaks can have an

1286
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: outsized impact on your baby's vulnerability to disease.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, that's so useful, so useful,

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Speaker 2: so useful to be able to pull on that, And

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Speaker 2: you've done so much, honestly to help us understand sugar

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Speaker 2: better and even in pregnancy. I feel like that's such

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Speaker 2: a big important marker. Jesse, we came up with a

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Speaker 2: This or That Game for you pregnancy edition.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love it.

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Speaker 2: This was inspired by your book Nine Months That Count Forever,

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Speaker 2: and so it's dedicated to your and your book. So

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Speaker 2: Jesse this or that because you did the final five

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Speaker 2: last time. So question number one cobs first or protein

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Speaker 2: first when you're nauseous.

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Speaker 1: Oh, protein first, Protein all the time. It will help

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, small frequent snacks or fewer, more balanced meals.

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Speaker 1: Earth if you're very nauseoust, the small frequent ones really

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Speaker 1: really helps. I was eating an almond every five minutes basically,

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Speaker 1: But ideally it's always going to be better to have

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Speaker 1: bigger meals. But also as you get more pregnant. As

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Speaker 1: pregnancy progresses, your stomach gets smaller, so because your uterus

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Speaker 1: is pushing on it, so you have to eat smaller meals.

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Speaker 1: So it's not a huge deal. Just make sure that

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Speaker 1: you're eating the right stuff like the protein and the

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Speaker 1: fish and the eggs.

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Speaker 2: Very useful, good advice, all right, morning sickness the entire pregnancy,

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Speaker 2: or intense cravings.

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Speaker 1: Like would I prefer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cravings pushing through nausea to eat for nutrients, or

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Speaker 2: meeting your body where it is.

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Speaker 1: Oh, come on, that's easier meeting your body where it is.

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Speaker 2: We're just checking, you know. We like trying to help

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Speaker 2: everyone else. Following strict pregnancy food rules, or reducing stress

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Speaker 2: around food.

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Speaker 1: Mmmmm, reducing stress around food and knowing that by doing

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Speaker 1: these four key things, you're helping your baby a lot.

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Speaker 2: More rest or gentle daily movement.

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Speaker 1: Oooh both if you can.

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Speaker 2: Strength training or cardio during pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, great question. Whatever you do, whatever you can do. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: both are great. So do the one that you can do.

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Speaker 2: And you you said you're doing weight training. That was

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Speaker 2: eating within an hour of waking or waiting until appetite

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Speaker 2: kicks in.

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Speaker 1: Depends on the na very nauseous. You gotta eat immediately.

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Speaker 1: Otherwise listen to your body's cues.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe there's no solve to the nausea.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of budget and that women's health,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys.

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Speaker 2: To figure that out. That sounds so uncomfortable. Cold foods

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Speaker 2: or warm foods when nausea hits.

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Speaker 1: M I never thought about that. Whatever you can stomach.

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Speaker 1: There's no science on that note it.

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Speaker 2: Energy peaks at three am or fatigue peaks at three pm.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh, if I had to choose one, I

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Speaker 1: think for t at three pm if I don't have

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Speaker 1: to work, so I could have a little nap. I

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Speaker 1: started napping when I was pregnant. That was the new thing.

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Speaker 2: Nice feel like a human calculator for cabs all day.

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Speaker 2: Will completely forget nutrition exists?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well if I completely forgot what nutrition,

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Speaker 1: that nutrition existed, No, I could not do that. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I also don't want to be a calculator and be upset. Okay,

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Speaker 1: pass joker.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and okay. Two more prior toize stable glucose in

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Speaker 2: the first trimester when nausea hits, or the third trimester

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Speaker 2: when energy drops.

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Speaker 1: Third trimester. I think it in terms of like the

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Speaker 1: baby's brain development. It said it's peak in the third trimester.

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Speaker 1: The first trimester is also important. Organs are developing, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about that. Actually, talk to me about

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Speaker 2: what's happening in the first three months, the second three months,

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Speaker 2: and the time.

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Speaker 1: So the main difference is that in the first trimester,

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Speaker 1: your blood stream and your baby's blood stream are not

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Speaker 1: yet connected, so your baby is relying on this kind

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Speaker 1: of milk that your uterus produces for energy nutrients. In

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Speaker 1: the second trimester, the plus centa comes into play and

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Speaker 1: connects your blood stream and your baby's blood stream. At

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Speaker 1: that point, it's like a symbiosis is established and your

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Speaker 1: blood and your baby's blood are exchanging nutrients in waste

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Speaker 1: at all times, so from that point on you're more connected. Now, yes,

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Speaker 1: first trimester is important, lots of stuff is happening, but truly,

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Speaker 1: if you look at nutrients, and especially in terms of

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Speaker 1: the amount of nutrients you're going to need, how much choline,

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Speaker 1: how much protein, how much omega free is it's the

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Speaker 1: second and third trimester that are really key to make

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Speaker 1: sure you're getting enough. And it's also the second and

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Speaker 1: third trimester where usually you're not nauseous, so it's easier

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Speaker 1: to make the right choices.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, very cool, great advice. All right, last one, what's worse?

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Speaker 2: Skipping meals or eating sugar without protein?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's worse? I don't think skipping meals

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Speaker 1: is bad if you're not hungry. Okay, if you're not hungry,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to force yourself, but this goes for everybody.

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Speaker 1: If you do skip a meal, though, make sure that

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Speaker 1: the next time you eat you're eating protein fa fiber first,

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Speaker 1: because your stomach is going to be very empty, so

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Speaker 1: very sensitive. So I would say worse is eating sugar

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Speaker 1: without pertin, but also if you have sugar without protein,

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Speaker 1: it's also fine. These are hard.

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Speaker 2: These were hard, hard, Yeah, these are Honestly though, Jesse,

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Speaker 2: I want to say that you know you're writing this

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Speaker 2: book nine months that count Forever, how your pregnancy diet

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Speaker 2: shapes your baby's future. When I first I think when

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Speaker 2: you first sent me the cover through, or you first

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Speaker 2: told me about the name, I'd never thought about it

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Speaker 2: like that, and it sounds so ridiculous to say that,

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Speaker 2: but I never really realized. I was like, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: is nine months that counts forever, and I was like wow,

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01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 2: like that that sentence in and of itself is just

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Speaker 2: so powerful and so emphatic because you don't think about

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Speaker 2: it like that. You think you have the kid's whole

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Speaker 2: life to do stuff, and you do. But these nine

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Speaker 2: months are having such a big impact. The fact that

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Speaker 2: you've been able to simplify it as always in the

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Speaker 2: best way that only you know how to do, to

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Speaker 2: four core things that we can all work on and

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Speaker 2: think about. I'm so grateful to you, truly. I know

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to recommend this to every single of

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Speaker 2: my friends who is trying to have a baby, thinking

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Speaker 2: about having a baby. Don't worry. I won't give it

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Speaker 2: to friends who are not thinking about it. Don't know.

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Speaker 2: But genuinely, I think it's incredible to have a guide

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Speaker 2: that is so dedicated to this very specific challenge that,

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Speaker 2: like you said, it's no one's fault and no one

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01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: is responsible for apart from the food system's governments and

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Speaker 2: everyone around of us. So thank you for doing the

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Speaker 2: hard work. Yes, I really mean that. I really mean that.

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Speaker 2: It's very rare that you have a book that you're like, oh,

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01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: I know exactly when to give this to someone, and

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: everyone who's listening and watching, I hope this is the

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Speaker 2: book that you're buying for friends, family members, nieces, nephews, cousins,

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Speaker 2: you know, whoever it may be, because yeah, it's going

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Speaker 2: to change every child's life. So thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you j for in writing me back. I love

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Speaker 1: our conversation.

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Speaker 2: Two is great to have you back with the best.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jess.

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Speaker 3: If you enjoyed this podcast, you're going to love my

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Speaker 3: conversation with Michelle Obama where she opens up on how

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Speaker 3: to stay with your partner when they're changing. If you're

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Speaker 3: going through something right now with your partner, This is

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Speaker 3: the episode for you.

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Speaker 1: The world won't always like you, but you can't count

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Speaker 1: on the world to like you.