WEBVTT - Pan's Labyrinth with Aristotle Acevedo 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.720 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.880 womenium are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:13.520 do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:21.119 it with the bel cast. Welcome to the Vectel Cast. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:26.400 My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Darante. Jamie, 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.159 do you want to come down into my labyrinth with me? No, 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:38.320 sounds scary. Don't like that initiation. Um, well, wait, I 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.199 actually have a question. This is a movie, right, So 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.160 if there's elaborate, that's probably a really drawn out metaphor 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:50.440 for a womb, is it not. Perhaps there's a vagina 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.080 in the floor and we've got to climb in. This 0:00:54.200 --> 0:01:00.560 happens in I would say of movies, Well remember the 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:04.760 floor of vagina from Mother exclamation point right, the floor 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.039 of vagina. I haven't thought about that, And forever it 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.000 happens so much male outurs they're at it again. At 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.560 least this is this is a great movie. But I 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.080 was like, there it is. I forgot the last time 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:20.279 I watched Pan's Laborriate, I didn't. I didn't know about 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:26.120 the cultural sensation that is floor vagina or a vagina. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.600 Head vaginas come in many forms. We have two floor 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:37.759 vaginas this month alone. I mean the descent cave vagina. Shocking. Wow. Um, 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:41.319 anyway here we are, yes? Sure? I Well, are there 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.880 two Doug Jones in your floor vagina? I guess I'll 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.920 come in as long as he's there. As long as 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.920 he's there, I feel safe. So this is the Bechtel Cast. Welcome. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:58.920 We are a movie podcasts in which we analyze popular films, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.360 usually sometimes unpopular, I don't know. In any case, we 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:08.840 analyze influential, for better or worse, influential films through an 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:14.280 intersectional seminist lens, and we use the Bechtel test simply 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:20.960 as a way to inspire a larger conversation about representation, inclusivity, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:28.040 intersectionality and what Jamie, what is it? What's the Betel test? Well? 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.919 It is a media metric invented by Alice and Bachtel, 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:37.480 sometimes called the Bactel Wallace test, that requires for our purposes. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.280 There's different variants of the test, but for our test, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.080 it requires that there are two people of a marginalized 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.680 gender with names talking to each other about something other 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.359 than a man for two lines of dialogue that's all 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.720 it takes. Shouldn't be that awfully hard. You can talk 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:59.560 about Floria Vagina, you cannot talk about Doug Jones. Sometimes 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.919 it's hard, but but we we will get. I mean, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.679 it's you know, this movie passes there, the podcast is over. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:15.200 You can stop listening. There's nothing left to discuss. Um. 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.560 But that is that is the Bechtel test. But we 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:22.560 use it as a jumping off point for a larger discussion. Indeed, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.040 and I'm so excited about our discussion today. I'm so 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.000 excited about our guest today. You already know him, you 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:34.600 already love him, because he's our producer. He's our dear friend. 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:42.240 You remember him from the Pacific rim episode. He's the sweetest, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.800 simply the best. He's an uncle now he's and he's 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:52.840 Del Toro's number one fan. Is the credit that he wanted. 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.000 It's a credit currently being sported on his very shirt, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.400 courtesy of a gift that I bravely gave him. Brave 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:07.040 it's Aristotle Alsaveado. Hello, happy to be back. We're so 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.480 happy to have you. We've missed you so much. It 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.800 has been far too long. I know, well because someone 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.560 was just asking about you, and because of how you 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.240 record in the Quarantine where it's just a very bare 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.760 bones operation with me and Jamie. Um, but we still 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:29.720 need you, Aristotle, and that's why you're here and we've been, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.040 we've been. I mean, this works out on so many 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.800 levels because you are number one Del Toro head and 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.520 people have been requesting Pan's Labyrinth for so long. I 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.680 imagine it's pretty high up there. What's your history with 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.200 this movie? And I guess with the Del Toro fandom 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.359 at large. I remember this the other day and it 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:54.400 may date me a bit, but I still remember seeing 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.440 the poster for the first time right here at the 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.159 Alhambra Renaissance when I was just a kid, uh, and 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.880 seeing it and thinking like, what the fuck movie called 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.560 Pan's Labyrinth and You're not gonna have Peter Pan in it? 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.200 That's so dumb, Like I was so mad that they 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.360 took Peter Pan's name? Did he? But you know, I 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.320 was a foolish child that knew nothing. And then I 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.359 don't remember the first time I saw it, but I 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:22.760 remember really being blown away and immediately remembering that moment, 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:28.520 thinking Wow, what that was? What a stupid thing? Oh 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.120 that's the best, Jamie, what about you, what's your history 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.200 with it? Um? I remember seeing this movie for the 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:39.159 first time after school at my aunt's house because she 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:43.679 had like movie channels and we did not have movie channels. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:48.360 This is at my now Trump supporting aunt's house. We've 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.160 simply fallen out of touch, but I did. There was 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.800 a point in time where she had the channel Showtime, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.279 and I wanted to watch a cool movie. So I 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.680 watched it and I love did I definitely. I don't know. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.000 I was probably in like middle schoolish it. It was 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.640 like shortly after this movie came out. I didn't know 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.240 who del Toro was at this time, but it was 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:16.919 my first Del Toro movie, and so I held it 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.640 very close to my heart and it holds up. It's 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.479 so good it does. Yeah, what about you. I was 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.159 in college when it came out, and I think I 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.080 saw it somewhere around that time, maybe like a year 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.600 or two after six. When it came out, I was oh, 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:34.680 sex okay, yeah, right, yeah, yes, and I was like, 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.760 oh my god, this movie is so good. And I 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:42.240 wish I had spent my life watching it more frequently, 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.320 because I think I've only seen it. I think I 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.520 watched it once every like four years or so, so 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.280 I've seen it like three or four times in the past, 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.479 but every time I watched it, I'm like, oh my, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.719 this is incredible. I love this movie. It's so the 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:01.240 story is so well crafted, it's beautiful, and I'm tronics 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.320 of it, all the dug Jones of it all that 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.680 I this is the first time I've seen this movie 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:13.560 since like American fascism really ramped up. So yeah, same 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.840 whole new vibe going on with this with this viewing. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:22.760 Oh how nothing has changed? Yeah truly, but like, yeah, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.960 this is basically you know, Franco's Spain all over again. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:33.240 This was also I think the just to expose, uh, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.600 some of the huge gaps in the American public education 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:41.400 system slash education system at large. Um. I think that 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:46.840 this movie was the first any in depth look I 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.760 had at Franco with Spain at all. Like I think 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.520 I had it referenced in school, but it certainly was 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.600 never something that I learned extensively about, like Pan's Labyrinthe 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.760 was truly what I was like, Oh, I should find 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.080 out what is supposed to be happening in this movie, 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.720 because I just it was very glossed over at school. 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.720 For me anyways, I didn't even it didn't even get 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.680 covered in any history class I ever took or anything 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.640 like that has the only reason I honestly know that 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.880 it happened. I know who Franco is. But even for 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.720 this I tried to do a little bit of research, 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.840 and it is so complicated I can't even pretend to 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.120 understand what I for a context corner, I was like, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.080 all right, we got to do a breakdown of Franco 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.560 of Spain. And then I was just like, I don't 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.240 think I'm equipped to do this. Just read the Wikipedia page. 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.080 Everyone like it is. It is incredibly dense um and 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.640 I think I think it's also just like incredible writing 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.960 on del Toro's part, that it's like he's able to 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.960 present everything in a very historically accurate way, in a 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.560 way that isn't like completely overwhelming or like if you 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.440 don't fully understand the context, it doesn't extreme lee hinder 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.160 your viewing of the movie, but if you do know 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.080 the context, it enriches it. It's I'm always really impressed 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:10.079 when people can right like that. It's a miracle. It's incredible. Yes, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.960 But also in doing some of the research I did 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:18.840 a little research I read, you know, I have some 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.560 books on del Toro specifically, one of them kind of 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:27.520 referenced kind of his inaccuracy in the Spanish Civil War 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.079 and that there's still a lot of sugarcoating that happens, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.720 that Spain itself is still kind of reconciling with that 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:40.800 the resistance was actually somewhat puppeted by Communist Russia at 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.360 the time and kind of use them and deceive them 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.800 to even ensure Franco's victory, and like it's a whole 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:52.800 very weird and that you know, the Francoist regime was 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.760 as brutal as depicted in the movie, but that the 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:01.120 resistance was also sometimes equally as brutal, Like they were 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.280 also indiscriminate, le just murdering priests, anyone related to the 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.760 church before and it was kind of like a back 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.240 and forth of those kinds of things. I was like, ahh, 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.600 holy ship. I really was hoping for a good versus 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.600 evil and I think it still was because Franco was evil, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:22.760 but evil er, yeah, right, the greater of two evils. Wow, 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.800 I didn't realize that man history is bleak and that too, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.520 was like, oh, this is so much like I truly 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.760 can't even pretend to like, that's just kind of scratch 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.480 of what I read. So if I'm totally wrong, I'm sorry. 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:39.760 That's fascinating. Well shod Should we talk about the movie? 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:46.440 I guess so? Oh right. Um, so the recap goes 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.200 as follows. I left some stuff out just because it's 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:54.240 such a rich story with a lot of moving parts, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.240 So my recap isn't necessarily going to do this a 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.839 huge amount of justice. I just recommend that everyone watched 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:04.160 the movie because it's so terrific. It's streaming on Netflix 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.559 as we speak, or at least I hope it still 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.080 is at the time of this release. But um, yeah, 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.160 just watch the movie because my my recap kind of 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.640 skims over some stuff. But in any case, we get 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.440 some text on the screen at the very beginning to 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:24.120 provide some historical context. It is Spain in ninety four. 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.240 It's a few years after the Spanish Civil War, and 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.880 we learned that a group of like guerrilla rebel soldiers 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:37.760 are hiding in the mountains fighting against the fascist regime. 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.120 Then we get a little bit of a fairy tale 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.760 introduction where once upon a time there was a princess 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.600 who lived in the underworld, but she escaped to the 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:53.120 human world kind of forgot her identity eventually died there. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.160 She became mortal and died there, but her father, the 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.560 King of the underworld, knew her soul would one day 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:04.480 return hern So that's the kind of fairy tale backstory 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:13.160 we need to know. Princess Mohanna Moana interesting. Yeah, I'm like, okay, 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:19.000 all my favorite princesses are named Mohanna. So then we're 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:23.440 back in Spain. We meet Ophelia. She's ten years old. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.280 She loves fairy tales, and she is traveling with her mother, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:33.840 who is undoubtedly gregnant. She is gregnant with a confirmed 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:38.240 Greg with a confirmed Greg who is a greg that's 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:45.000 giving her problems, a problematic Greg. She's late in her 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:50.200 problematic Gregnancy pregnancy, yes, and the third trimester of the Gregnancy. 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.680 So anyway, um Ophelia and her mother are traveling to 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.720 the countryside. Along the way, Ophelia sees this large insect 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.480 that she thinks might be a fairy and she also 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:06.080 sees an entrance to this old labyrinth made of stone 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.880 near the house where she and her mother will be 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:14.679 living in. And this is also where Olivia's new stepfather, 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:20.040 Captain Vidal, has set up this base camp because he 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.880 is in the military of the aforementioned fascist government searching 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.120 for the aforementioned rebels who were hiding in the nearby mountains. 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:34.720 And the captain, I feel like, embodies again in like 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.760 a good way. But but because I feel like this 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:44.360 movie has he's like patriarchy the character. Yeah, he's like 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:52.000 an embodiment of toxic masculinity and fascist ideology. Everything that's wrong, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.400 that's him, that's that's his character. Yes, but also we're 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.960 seeing it through her, like a child died, So it 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.000 makes like, I mean, he's he's just he's a villain. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.000 He's simply a villain, one of the best movie villains, 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:10.040 I think, and I think if this movie were less 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.760 well written, he could easily come off as like one 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:17.400 of these very cartoony villains. And he is. He's extremely evil. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.200 He's horrible. Works for the story, though, I mean, it 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.520 definitely works. It works for the story, especially because it 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.920 is like this is a fair dark, grim fairy tale, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:30.000 and he's very he's like borderline cartoonishly evil. But then 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:34.240 you're like, remember, like, well, there were like fascist assholes 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.400 who were not unlike this guy in real life, and 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.880 also worth worth the note that Hispanic culture in general 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.400 is very patriarchy, male dominant, like man is the man 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.120 ruler over every like the language in itself is also 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.120 completely binary and male is the dominant to the point 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.760 where he I mean, I don't know, he does so 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.680 many cartoonishly evilings, but when he goes to his dying 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.320 wife's side and it's like, if it comes down to it, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.960 save Greg and then he just like leaves, You're like, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:17.360 jeezs man, damn the room at Yeah, she's right there. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.880 She can hear you right there, sir. He's so, he's 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.480 he's completely awful, and uh so this is kind of 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:30.040 who Ophelia is up against. Um. We also meet Mercedes, 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.600 she is a housekeeper, UM, and we meet a doctor. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.200 They both kind of tend to the captain and his people, 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.560 but we get a reveal that they are both secretly 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.920 a part of this resistance and they've been helping the rebels, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:51.840 sneaking food and supplies to them. Um. Then on Ophelia's 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:56.120 I think it's her first night there, the insect slash 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.040 fairy shows up and beckons Ophelia to follow it into 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:06.080 the labyrinth, and there she meets a fawn who thinks 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.240 that Ophelia is the princess from the fairy tale in 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.240 the beginning, and he has been like awaiting her return. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.080 And as you said, Jamie, the princess's name is ma Wanna, 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:28.840 but with two ends Malana with ends. So the fawn 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.920 gives Ophelia three tasks to complete by the next full moon. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.040 The first task is to feed these magic stones to 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:42.360 a giant toad who lives in a nearby tree um 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.840 who has been kind of like wreaking havoc on this tree, 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.600 and she has to retrieve the key from inside the toad, 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:56.320 which she successfully does. The toad scene so scary. I 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.480 never remember what happens to the toad. It basically just 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.240 barbs up all of its guts and then it's like 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:07.399 skin shell just sort of deflates like a balloon. Oh my. 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:12.520 There's a lot of like really horror imagery, like graphic 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.919 violence and just like really scary stuff. It usually happens 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.479 pretty quick, and you don't actually get a lot of 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.520 views of like the scene where he smashes a face 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.480 in with the bottle, right the bottle, and you know, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.480 you don't actually see his face. You kind of get 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.119 a moment of it being smashed in. But it's not 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.080 like other gory movies where it's like we're going to 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.919 give you the full look into his bleeding. It's like 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.320 kind of it's a very quick thing most of the time. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.480 That's still the worst one for me, really bad. Yeah, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.480 but I was reading that Del Toro based that off 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.800 of something that actually happened. I can find that quote 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:59.000 right now. I was just reading it. Yeah, awful. Um, okay, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:04.000 So she's got the key from the toad. Meanwhile, Vidal 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.760 is getting closer to the rebels in the mountains. One 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.960 of them is Mercedes brother. Also Ophelia's mother is her 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.240 her difficult Gregnancy is is getting worse. Um, she's having 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:21.080 pain and bleeding. Then the fun shows up and he's like, Ophelia, 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.240 you haven't done your next task yet. You have to 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.320 go into this dangerous place. Take the key with you. 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.120 You'll see this feast laid out before you, but don't 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.680 eat or drink anything. That's very important. So she goes 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:40.600 into this place and there's this scary creature, the Paleman, 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:45.119 also Doug Jones. She sneaks past it and uses the 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.880 key to retrieve this dagger, but the feast is very 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.840 tempting and she is a child with not much will power, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.760 so she eats a couple of grapes and it awakens 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.320 the pale man who has eyeballs in his hands. It's 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.520 very scary and it kills two of the fawn's little 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:08.760 like fairy friends. But Ophelia manages to escape, and the 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.280 Fawn shows up again and he's like, um, you ate 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.920 the things that I told you not to eat. You're 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.840 not worthy. You're never allowed to come back into the 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.840 labyrinth again. You can't be the princess And then right 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.160 after this, Ophelia's mother dies during childbirth. The baby survived. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:28.919 The Greg does survive. His name is Greg. Canonically, I 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:35.800 believe he's credited Greg. Yeah, baby Greg. So meanwhile, Videl 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.960 is like figuring out that the doctor and Mercedes have 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:44.600 been helping the rebellion. So Mercedes makes a run for 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:48.560 it and takes Ophelia with her, but Videl catches them 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.840 trying to leave, and then he's about to interrogate Mercedes, 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.159 but she fights back, stabs him a couple of times, 0:19:55.480 --> 0:20:01.040 and then runs away. The so cathartic fun but then 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.320 Videl's army surrounds her as she's running away, but the 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:10.520 gorillas are hiding nearby and they like, sniper shoot the 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:15.880 bad guys. Meanwhile, the phone comes back to Ophelia and 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.120 he's like, Okay, you know what, I decided to give 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.080 you one more chance for your last task. You have 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.439 to come to the Labyrinth and bring your baby brother, Greg, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.960 and you have to do everything I say without question. 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.760 So Ophelia snatches the baby from Videl's office, but she 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.760 gives Videal this strong sedative and he's trying to chase 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.000 after her through the labyrinth. And then Ophelia comes upon 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.120 the opening of the underworld and the Pond is like, okay, 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.959 you have to sacrifice your baby brother because we need 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.760 the blood of an innocent to open the portal to 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.000 the underworld. And she's like, um funck no, dude, this 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.720 is a baby. I'm not gonna hurt it. Just then 0:20:55.080 --> 0:21:01.040 Videl shows up, takes the baby and shoots Ophelia, and 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:07.640 then the tears just start bursting from your head. And 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:15.040 then and then when Videl emerges from the Labyrinth, the 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.280 rebels have him surrounded and they kill him in another 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.480 very cathartic scene, and then we cut back to Ophelia, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:27.760 who is dying, and her spilt blood and her refusal 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.040 to hurt her brother and sacrifice herself instead opens the 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.439 portal to the underworld, where she is revived and she 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:40.320 reunites with her true mother and father, the King and 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:43.840 Queen of the Underworld. And then kind of the last 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.879 little bit of the movie is she leaves kind of 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:52.680 like hints of her herself on earth, like a little flower, 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:58.000 and that you're saying that she dies and doesn't fall asleep, right, 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.600 because I was just worried that you were going to 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.439 be hay that energy and on onto the cast. You 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.560 know what I've I gave this a lot of thought. 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.000 She definitely does it fall. I mean, she's only with 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.560 dead people. But I mean you could say the same 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.240 thing for well, what happens in Titanic, you know what, 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:20.760 Jamie I think, Well, here's the thing, James Cameron, if 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:25.679 you read his script, he leaves it intentionally ambiguous in 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:31.359 the Titanic screenplay, whereas Garmo del Toro has stated pretty 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:36.040 definitively that the fairy tale aspect of this movie is 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:40.520 real and that she does, in fact die at the 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.600 end and go into the underworld, and that's all real. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:49.400 So point, James Cameron and Garama del Toro are friends, 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:54.359 So it's conceivable that del Toros at the end of 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.400 Titanic and was like, oh my god, I love this 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:03.560 beautiful climactic ending scene in certainly Heaven. Uh let me 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:08.480 let me draw from this, uh for for my own movie. 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:11.440 James Cameron is my friend. I'm also like that, which 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:13.600 let me hold down a whole other rabbit hole of Like, 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.000 what are those conversations? I feel like those must be 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:22.480 some of like the weirdest conversations between two people you 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:27.080 could ever find. Like I would love to just hack 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:30.679 in and see what those guys are talking about in 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:36.560 the emails. Well, he has got navy j pegs in 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:43.760 his Gmail for sure. Okay, well counter counterpoint. Yeah, del 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.440 Toro saw the end of Titanic. He read the screenplay, 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:51.000 and he's just like, I don't like how ambiguous this is. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:56.520 I think that James Cameron really left it open to interpretation, 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:01.080 so much so that some really brilliant people they're easily 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.879 interpret the end of Titanic as a dream. So I 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.960 want to make sure my ending is a little bit 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:15.520 more concrete counter counter counter point Del Toro, it's you 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.720 know the heaven in Pan's lab Ranther the you know 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:24.080 the underworld is a beautiful shimmering gold, which I think 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.600 is a direct reference to the heaven that is painted 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.080 at the end of Titanic, where the room is more 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.119 luminescent and the lighting is different than You look up 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:36.000 to the sky and it's so beautiful and you're like, wow, 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.680 that must be what heaven is like, a place full 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:42.000 of dead people that you knew. And but isn't that 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:45.760 also what dreams are like? Every time I dream, it's 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:49.080 full of all the dead people. Like, my dreams are 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:52.240 not like that. I'll tell you. Oh, that's okay. That's 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.640 a great counter counter counter counterpoint is that dreams are 0:24:55.720 --> 0:25:00.240 usually terrifying. I had a dream last night that Adam 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.840 Sandler kept mailing bras that weren't my size to my house. 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.000 It's not heaven at all. That was there gold in 0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:12.480 the background, golden light, no gold, There was no gold. 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.200 He was sending it through Amazon, so it wasn't even ethical. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.000 He was sending me the wrong size bra to my 0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:20.040 house over and over and over and over and over, 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.040 and I don't want to know what that dream means, 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:26.119 but I did have it. Well, I can see that 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.679 we'll never agree on this, so I have somewhat of 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:32.800 a counterpoint here that that is an odd thing I 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.080 encountered in the research. In this essay, I'm probably gonna 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.399 be referring to a lot that I was surprised to 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.280 read because it's kind of a not a harsh criticism, 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.000 but a little bit. It's a bit of a criticism 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:46.159 on Gama de Toro, which I was I was happy 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:49.800 to read, and it's exactly that that the writer criticizes. 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:53.119 Is that he is one of the most vocal directors 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.840 when it comes to his own films and loves to 0:25:55.960 --> 0:26:00.200 explain every bit of it. But that then doesn't allow 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:04.359 for your interpretation of it. He is actively directing everyone's 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:06.720 view of how he wants his movies to be, which 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.880 is kind of what you want to do. But he's 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.240 very heavily influencing everyone that loves him. And now you 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.320 can't find a flaw in it because he told you 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.440 what to look for, opposed to being a little more 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.320 you know, critical of like, well, actually, I don't think 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.639 it means that you know just because you say, it 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.960 means that you're still you still might be blind to 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:30.639 what you're subconsciously doing here. That's interesting though, because I 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.800 think that in this movie. That's why I like was 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.399 kind of going back and forth about like, Okay, is 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:40.480 it real? Is this like just Ophelia's coping mechanism for 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:45.680 for like dealing with living in this like fascist household, 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.520