1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Mr Garbutchev teared down this wall. Either you're with us 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: where you were with the terrorists. If you've got healthcare 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: all with it, then you can keep your plan. If 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: you are satisfied with t is not President of the 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: United States, take it to a bank. Together, we will 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: make America great again. It's what you've been waiting for 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: all day. Buck Sexton with America. Now join the conversation 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: called Buck toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. 9 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: That's eight four four, nine hundred to eight to five, 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: the Future of talk radio. Buck Sexton Team, Welcome to 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut, California edition. I'm here in northern California 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: on Stanford University's campus, guest of the Hoover Institution. Very 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: pleased to be out here. We have a lot of 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: news to get to today. Just to give you a 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: quick sense of where we will take the discussion over 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: the course of the show. UM, I could do a 17 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: whole show today on national security, international relations given what's 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: been going on in the news cycle. So we will 19 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: certainly spend some time on the bin laden documents that 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: were just released and what it tells us also about 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: the previous administration. We will discuss Trump's trip in Asia 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: and some of the very important strategic considerations for the 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: President and his team while he is over there, the 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: latest in the Mueller Russia collusion investigation saga, and just 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: other important stories of note that I'm hoping we'll get 26 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: to today, but we are going to be very busy 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: here in the Hut, so there will be some things 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: that we will have to leave for later on in 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: the week. And also just a quick note because we 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: are down a person staff wise in the Freedom Hunt 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: for a couple of days, we will not be taking calls, 32 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: not because I don't love to hear from all of 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: you and I cannot wait until we can take live 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: calls again in a couple of days, but just in 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: the for the meantime, um, we will be for a 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: day or two here, we will not be able to 37 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: take calls in which means we'll be getting guests in. 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: It also means it's a great chance for you to 39 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: write to me on Facebook, So please do Facebook dot com. 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: Slash buck Sexton, biggest news story in the country right now. 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: You already know all about you have twenty six people 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: killed in church. Um, you see the same debate happening 43 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: right now that has happened after so many of these 44 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: horrific incidents. The politicization of this particular event is especially 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: vicious and nasty because it happened in a small town 46 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: in Texas, and it happened in a church. And there 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 1: are many people who are part of the political ideological 48 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: left in this country who are hateful, who are just 49 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: full of hate toward those who go to church, live 50 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: in small town Texas or small town anywhere in America, 51 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: And are they think culturally the other as well as 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: politically the other. This has been a major instance in 53 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: terms of the fall. And I'll get into many of 54 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: the details, but I know by the time I go on, 55 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: are you've probably heard a fair amount, if not a lot, 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: about this horrific mass shooting that just occurred yesterday in Texas. 57 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: Um But I have told you before, and I think 58 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: it's important as a reminder, given what is going on 59 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: right now with the way the media is talking about 60 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: all of this and the way that it is being 61 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: debated and discussed in the public sphere, that much of 62 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: the anti gun discussion, he's really an anti gun owner discussion. 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: That's why it doesn't matter that many of the policies 64 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: that are advocated by those on the left wouldn't do anything. 65 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: That's why it doesn't matter that journalists, people who are 66 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: paid whose job is to know what laws are on 67 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: the books and what is going on around the subject 68 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: matter they're reporting on, make when it comes to firearms 69 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: the Second Amendment errors that would be inexcusable in any 70 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: other part of their reporting. But because they show the 71 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: proper stance, which is anti gun which is really just 72 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: another way of saying anti gun owner, they aren't just 73 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: opposed to Second Amendment and legislation that has been put 74 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: in place, a tremendous amount of legislation, I should note 75 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: around firearms, they find people who want to own guns 76 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: to be problematic because every gun owner in this country, 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: the tens of millions of law abiding, responsible, respectful, patriotic, 78 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: kind and decent gun owners in this country, but every 79 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: single one of them, every time that they own a firearm, 80 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: it is a little personal reminder to the state that 81 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: there are some boundaries that cannot be transgressed. The left 82 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: never thinks of it that way. They see an incident 83 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: like this, a terrible shooting at the hands of a 84 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: vile sadist, and yes from the Trump lexicon. I think 85 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: we can borrow the term because it could not be 86 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: more applicable. A loser, an evil loser, and he kills people, 87 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: he kills a baby, he kills other people, he kills 88 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: everybody that he can in a church. It does not 89 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: get more evil. And yet within twenty four hours I 90 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: was on my way out to California when the news 91 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: about this was breaking, and I was seeing the conversations 92 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: and people that have a voice for better or for worse, 93 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: people with large platforms, those who are able to sway 94 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: public opinion, whether they should or not. It is true 95 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: that they can find that the problem after this mass 96 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: shooting is they will say the n r A, or 97 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: the problem is the Republican Party, or the problem is 98 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: white males. I mean, they will find these categorizations that 99 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: you want to talk about unhelpful and not dealing with 100 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 1: the problem, or just outright dishonest, or this is really 101 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: an illness on the left. There's a pathology to crime 102 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: happens that fits a narrative. Now, let's immediately attack a 103 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: very large group of people that I disagree with politically. 104 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: Crime happens that does fit in within a Basically a 105 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: crime happens with a gun anywhere, and then it becomes 106 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: an excuse a major crime like this, a mass murder, 107 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: it becomes an excuse for slandering tens of millions of 108 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: their fellow Americans as if they don't care. You know 109 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: there's a problem here because you see exhibited and it's 110 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: mainly on social media, but it's also in the press. 111 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: It's on the major news channels and stations. You will 112 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: see exhibited a disdain for those who our Second Amendment supporters. 113 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: You will see a a deep seated and seething disgust 114 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: with those of us who believe in the right to 115 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: bear arms, those of us who believe in our right 116 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: to both protect ourselves and also protect ourselves from a 117 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: tyrannical government. Should, then, should the need arise um that 118 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: there are people that that despise us for that they 119 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: truly do. They despise us, and they are so riddled 120 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: with this hatred that in a moment when you have 121 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: a mash shooting like this, and you would think that 122 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: there would be a unified sense of of outrage and 123 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: sadness and sympathy toward our fellow Americans who were killed 124 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: their families. But instead you see mockery of prayer, a 125 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: lot of mockery of prayer. And it's so apparent to 126 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: me that many of the individuals who mocked prayer when 127 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 1: it is their fellow Americans and that it is Christians, 128 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: would would never dare take that tone about their fellow 129 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: Americans if they were praying, if this was a g 130 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: hottest incident, they would not be mocking the prayers of 131 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: of Muslims in this country. They would never do that. 132 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: That would be just so distasteful and disgraceful and wrong. Well, 133 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't disagree with that it Why is it only 134 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: applicable in the one case for the left and not 135 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the other. Why is it that there is no level 136 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: of venom of vitriol mockery that can be directed at 137 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: those of us who are just trying to express some yes, 138 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: sympathy and and yes prayers. So much smug commentary from 139 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: the journalist media and Hollywood class about how prayers won't 140 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: do anything, Well, isn't that interesting, because you know what 141 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: definitely won't do anything. Putting another law in the books 142 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: that says that Devin Kelly, this mass shooter, should not 143 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: have been able to get a gun because he already 144 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: wasn't able legally to get a gun because he was 145 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: guilty of domestic violence. He had a bad conduct discharge 146 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: from the Air Force. I will say that there is 147 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: one place that I see a failure here of the system, 148 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: and the failure is not around gun laws per se. 149 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: The failure is that he crushed a an infant's skull 150 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: his steps on skull, not entirely, but he fractured the 151 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: skull and served twelve months in prison for that. You 152 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: should get a lot more than twelve months in prison 153 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: for for intentionally fracturing a baby's skull, right we we 154 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: all you know that. I know that they're trying to 155 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: send Paul Manap away for seventy years for they don't 156 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: even know what. Yet you crush your baby skull and 157 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: you get twelve months. Maybe all the signs were there 158 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: with Devin Kelly. There's there's nothing about him in terms 159 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: of his character that is surprising to us now that 160 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: we find out. I've said it before on this show. 161 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: Cruelty to animals is among the biggest red flags for 162 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: sadism against one's fellow human being in the future. Right 163 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: that when you see somebody in their younger and they 164 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: have a history of cruelty to animals, Watch out. It 165 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: does not end well on Devin Kelly sure enough, was 166 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: investigated for cruelty to animals, for mistreating his pitbull, leaving 167 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: it out, abusing it, leaving in the sun. I mean 168 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: it's you think of the twenty six who were killed 169 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: in a church, and then you go back into this 170 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: individual story you think more about how is it possible 171 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: for somebody to be so so detached from their basic humanity? 172 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: How is it possible for someone to be evil in 173 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: this way? You see the commentary that he was posting online, 174 00:11:53,400 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: full of athism and and hate and emptiness, and yet 175 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: what could we have done? Well, that's the question we 176 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: all ask now, right, you had lawful gun owners who 177 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: intervened and chased him down and exchanged gunfire with him, 178 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: shot him, and then I believe it's it's been reported 179 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: that Devin Kelly killed himself, too cowardly to face those 180 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: who actually could fight back. Scotty was a coward. He 181 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: was a loser, and he was a disgrace to the society, 182 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: to the country that gave him so much the way 183 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: of opportunities and protection, and yet here we are now 184 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: mourning another mass shooting. I wish I could say that 185 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: there was something that we could do now that would 186 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: make this all less likely in the future. I wish 187 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: there were some policy that I could come up with. 188 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I study this, I have studied terrorist incidents. 189 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: I know this isn't considered terrorism because it doesn't have 190 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: a political motivation. But you have a lot of similarities 191 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: between the psychology of some of these hottists in terms 192 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: of the level of of viciousness and the bloodthirsty mentality 193 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: and a mass shooter like this. And I tell you, 194 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: I told you after the New York vehicle attack, very 195 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: difficult to come up with a policy that will stop this. 196 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: We can make some adjustments to immigration policy that may 197 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: that may help, fine, And I'm willing to have that conversation, 198 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: and and we did. With Devin Kelly. He's there already 199 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: or laws on the books that he was violating before 200 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: he went on his mass killing spree. You cannot it's 201 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: a federal law. You cannot own a gun if you 202 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: are convicted of a crime of domestic violence. So he 203 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: was already facing ten ten years in federal prison for 204 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: for owning a gun or having a gun. So what 205 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: is the law that where we're supposed to put in place? Now? 206 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't for the laugh and for the Democrats the 207 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: media that are all yelling about this now, it doesn't 208 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: matter because I take you back to the very beginning 209 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: of our discussion here. There is an unwillingness to deal 210 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: with the facts as they are right now when it 211 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: comes to gun control and gun violence in America, because ultimately, 212 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: the primary motivation for those that are the loudest on 213 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: the issue is not to do something that would prevent 214 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: the next attack. It is to show publicly and openly 215 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: they're dislike and disdain for gun owners, for gun culture, 216 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: for the whole cultural and political apparatus of the Second 217 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: Amendment in this country. The people who are yelling about 218 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: how we need to ban assault rifles know that it 219 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: won't do anything. But they don't like people who legally 220 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: own assault rifles, and they don't like the way they vote, 221 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: and they don't like the way they dress, and they 222 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: don't like the way that they conduct themselves. Whatever it 223 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: may be, right, they look down their noses at them, 224 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: and so by saying they to ban assault rifles, right, 225 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: Now it's not about because I can pull out the statistics, 226 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: I can show the assault rifle band didn't do anything 227 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: the last time it was enacted. But by saying that 228 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: need band assault rifles, what they're really saying is that you, you, 229 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: America that owns guns, you are the problem. That's what 230 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: they want to say. And they're too cowardly to just 231 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: come out and tell us the truth. They won't say 232 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: it to our faces, and that's what the policy debate 233 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: becomes a mechanism for them to spit in our faces 234 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: and pretend that somehow it is the culture of the 235 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: Second Amendment that produced this mass murdering maniac. That's not 236 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: the case, and they won't have the argument in the 237 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: open about it. And that's why we never have any 238 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: real progress on the issue. We have the same debates 239 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: over and over again, and they keep losing, but they 240 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: won't stop. They won't stop. You cannot put into words 241 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: the pain and grief we all feel, and we cannot 242 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: begin to imagine the suffering of those who lost the 243 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: ones they so dearly loved. Our hearts are broken. But 244 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: in dark times, and these are dark times such as 245 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: these Americans do what they do best we pull together, 246 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: we join hands, we lock arms, and through the tears 247 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: and through the sadness, we stand strong. Oh so strong. 248 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: President Trump trying to comfort a nation that once again 249 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: and is in mourning because of a terrible mass shooting, 250 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: killed many more, grievously wounded. You know, I always, I 251 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: always feel like in these incidents as well, the people 252 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: speak about the wounded, and I think there's usually for 253 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: those who haven't been around trauma, whether in a war 254 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: zone or the kind of physical trauma we're talking about here, 255 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: Wounded can mean a life forever altered. Wounded can mean 256 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: missing a limb, can mean paralyzed. So the dozens of 257 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: wounded in whether it's recent terrorist acts or in some 258 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: of these mass shootings, they they are, as I said, forever, 259 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: forever change, and they are part of the the horror 260 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: of this entire situation. The President Trump said that this 261 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: is where we were trying to get to the We 262 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: know that we know who did it. We don't believe 263 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: there's any connection to anyone else. There's not some sell 264 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: we're trying to break up here. President Trump spoke about 265 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: mental health here as a major issue in this play 266 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: clip two, and I think that mental health is your 267 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: problem here. This was a very based on preliminary reports, 268 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: very deranged individual. It's a lot of problems over a 269 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: long period of time. We have a lot of mental 270 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: health problems in our country, as do other countries. But 271 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: this isn't a guns situation. I mean, we could go 272 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: into it, but it's a little bit soon to go 273 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: into it. But fortunately somebody else had a gun that 274 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: were shooting in the opposite direction. Otherwise it would have 275 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: been as bad as it was, it would have been 276 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: much worse. But this is a mental health problem at 277 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: the highest level. It's a very very sad event. It's 278 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: a these are great people and a very very sad event. 279 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: Now I understand that there is pushed back from those 280 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: in the in the medical community about saying it's a 281 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: mental health issue, because yeah, it's really with this individual, 282 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: it's really just more of it. He was a bad guy. 283 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: He was an evil, bad person, and to say that 284 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: it's a mental health issue was almost to make it 285 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: seem like this is a disease that he caught that 286 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't able to deal with the word in control 287 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: of right, So we'll get into some more of this. 288 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: He's holding the line for America Buck sext in his back. 289 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: We hit about going down five thirty nine trying to 290 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: catch this guy until he eventually lost control on his own. 291 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: He just gave up. He just kinda he went off 292 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: in the ditch, hit a hit a hay bail from 293 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: what I could see, and then he just never moved 294 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: after that. He just hurt so many people, and he 295 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: just affected so many people's lives. Why wouldn't you want 296 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to take him down? That was Johnny Langendorf on going 297 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: after this suspect or this mass murderer. I mean, he's 298 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: dead and we know he did it. Uh, Devin Kelly 299 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: going after Devin Kelly right after his vicious murder spree. 300 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: But Johnny Langendorff wasn't having it, not on not on 301 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: his watch. He he went after him and helped chase down. 302 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: There couldn't look he could have This guy could have 303 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: shot more people who might have continued on in the 304 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: area where he was um. But Johnny Langendorff is a 305 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: good Samaritan and a in a Texan and he wasn't 306 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: gonna allow this to go without taking action. He decided 307 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: to take action. There are still good people. In fact, 308 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: most of us are good people, most of the people 309 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: listening to this show, to any show across the country 310 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: quite honestly, or good decent, kind, law abiding, patriotic Americans. 311 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: That that is still our defining characteristic. We can't lose 312 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: sight of that. While these incidents happen and we are 313 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: all so much, it feels like they are much closer 314 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: to us because of the well I know, for many 315 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: of you are in Texas and it's actually physically in 316 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: close proximity to you or reminds you very much of 317 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: your town. But I mean because of the way that 318 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: we now can see and read about and be updated 319 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: on these events, and the families of those who were 320 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: killed we see there, we see their photos, and they'll 321 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: be endless news stories than days ahead. On on every 322 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: aspect of this, we have much more psychological exposure to 323 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: a mass casualty attack like this then we would have 324 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: even a few decades ago. Um. It is omnipresent. If 325 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: you allow it to, it will consume your day to 326 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: day and it will really upset you. And I understand 327 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: where that you have to draw that line where you 328 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: create the space for yourself or you you can't. You 329 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: can't allow yourself to get drawn too deep, into too 330 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: deep into you know what what was it like? And 331 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, could on why wasn't I there? Why couldn't 332 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: I have done something? Because it will paralyze you. You 333 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: just won't be able to continue to function and take 334 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: care of yourself and your family and do what you 335 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: have to do. Right, you create these psychological barriers. I 336 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: think to really spending your full time and energy engaging 337 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: in the subject matter here because it is it is hard, 338 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: it's hard to even think about. Um. It is our obligation, 339 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: I think to look at an incident like this and 340 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: try to figure out what, if anything, could have been done. 341 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that there are laws that need to 342 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: be added or change, nothing that I see quite yet, 343 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: although I do see some failure in the system. There 344 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: are some problems. So let's let's be clear, let's be 345 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: honest about that. Let's not in any way try and 346 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: uh skip over that, not that we would. I think 347 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: it's one of the more disturbing phenomena of the way 348 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: these events now have turned into shouting matches online between 349 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: people who either many most cases don't know each other, 350 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: but you know, in the media see things written and 351 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: and said from individuals who are supposed to be better 352 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: than that's supposed to be more mature, supposed to be 353 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: more professional, and they are willing to either themselves believe 354 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: or at least pretend to believe for others who do 355 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: believe that as one, uh one imbecile with millions of 356 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: people following my face on Twitter, just so millions of people, right, 357 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about some random comment or on some 358 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: troll sites somewhere no one's ever heard of. It's got 359 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: followers and the millions, and saying the n r A 360 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: is a terrorist organization. How first of all, that doesn't 361 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: even it doesn't even have any real meaning other than 362 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: just to be a slander. It's it's a nonsense statement. 363 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: But that's out there. And there are many others to 364 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: the mockery of prayer, the mockery of gun owners. It 365 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: just all comes together in these incidents. And what you 366 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: see is that there's one side of this debate that 367 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: refuses to give even the least bit of credit to 368 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: the other side. There there is no good faith in 369 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: this discussion among many who are influential in the national 370 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: conversation about this. For for one reason or another, there's 371 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: no good reason at all. I'm always amazed at people 372 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: that I know. Here's a here's a good example of this. 373 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: In New York City, I'll come across socially, uh, you know, 374 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: just just meaning, not like I'm walking around at lots 375 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: of cocktail parties in the Upper east Side. I haven't 376 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: been to a cocktail part on the Upper east Side, 377 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know how long. Um, 378 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: But I'll come across people and they'll be knowledgeable and 379 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: educated and you know, on most things, and then they'll 380 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: have very strong opinions on guns and have absolutely nothing 381 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: in terms of a baseline of knowledge understanding of the 382 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: subject matter. Just there they are ignoramus is and proudly 383 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: so who it doesn't matter if it's People say that 384 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's semi automatic or automatic. Well, 385 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: you're advocating for an automatic weapons ban, so I think 386 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: it does matter, you know, and and you already basically 387 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: can't get an automatic weapon. So don't don't go around 388 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: yelling about how you how Trump is evil because we 389 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: need to have an automatic weapons ban because of the 390 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: most recent shooting incident, and then say that it doesn't 391 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: matter if it's automatic or Semilon. But but you see, 392 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: once you push back and you deal with the facts 393 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: and that, then you start to see it's really just 394 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: they just don't like people who own guns. They because 395 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: people who own guns are often people who and now 396 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,479 Speaker 1: this is not true across the board, right, but this 397 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: is the stereotypes. So let's understand the stereotype. As people 398 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: who own guns live in Red States, they go to church, 399 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: and actually even church, it's not just like a social 400 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: thing where you get, you know, free cookies afterwards or something. Uh. 401 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: They tend to be pro life, they tend to be 402 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: pro America, they tend to be pro military, they tended 403 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: and and you add all this up, right, they tend 404 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: to be pro traditional marriage. You add all this up 405 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: and you see that guns are just a stand in 406 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: for all these other social issues. And that's why there's 407 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: so much animosity, because does anyone really think that, whether 408 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: it's me or any of my compatriots in conservative media, 409 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: they didn't really think that we're not as horrified and 410 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: upset and bothered by what happened in Texas as any 411 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: of these commentators were news outlets that are saying that 412 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: we need to ban guns, or we need to go 413 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: with the the Australia model, or it's the same debate, 414 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: same thing every time. I'd say, that's deeply offensive, right, 415 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: or it would be offensive, and I mean offensive like oh, 416 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in the corner and be sad about it. 417 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: I mean offensive, like I would like to see some 418 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: of the commentators actually say that to my face or 419 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: anyone else who takes the position that I do. And 420 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot there's a lot of a 421 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: lot of folks out there, a lot of my friends 422 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: in the media take this position that Okay, let's have 423 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: this discussion about guns, let's have a discussion about how 424 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: to stop the next attack. But don't tell me you 425 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: want to have a discussion about how to stop the 426 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: next attack, and then say a bunch of things that 427 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: are not true about gun laws right now, and then 428 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: draw all these wild false equivalences and between this and 429 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: gee Hottest violence. This has become the big trope now 430 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: of the anti Trump persistence. Oh oh, well, if this 431 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: had been a Gee Hottest, what we would have we 432 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: would have been so much more upset. What does that mean? 433 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: We're upset because twenty six innocent people were killed, many 434 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: others were shot at church. It's it's horrible, beyond beyond imagination. 435 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: As I was saying, you can do psychological damage to 436 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: yourself just by thinking too much about how terrible this 437 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: situation was and spending too much time thinking I really 438 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: mean that. I mean you can, uh, you can create 439 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: a circumstance for yourself where you you will get depressed. 440 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: That's how powerfully evil this was. It would be different 441 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: if if we're talking about the hottest how in what way? Yeah, 442 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: there'd be different policy takeaway. Sure, But isn't that isn't 443 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: that of course? Isn't that what we would expect? But 444 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: they say this like, oh, well, if it had been 445 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: a Gi Hottes, you'd be really upset, or you know, 446 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: look what happened after Las Vegas versus look what happened 447 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: after New York. Okay, I do, and I see that 448 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: after Las Vegas, we still want answers, still don't have 449 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: all the answers were a lot of conservatives are the 450 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: ones who were asking for answers on Las Vegas. Myself 451 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: included more information like the more clarity, less less mistakes 452 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: in the information given to the media by the authorities. 453 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: That would be nice and sure if there's and I 454 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: was saying, if you want to regulate bump stocks more 455 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: or I could foresee that being reasonable on it, because 456 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: we already have a lot of gun regularly like a 457 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,719 Speaker 1: lot of gun regulations on the books right now. We 458 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: already have a lot tons they very state to state 459 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: their federal laws. They're state and local laws, a lot 460 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: of them. So that means that we're not in a 461 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: uh in a very free for all Second Amendment environment 462 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: to begin with. And anyone who says that we are, 463 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: it's just doesn't know anything. So I'll have this debta 464 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: have this discussion. But I just wonder after what happened 465 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: in New York what we're considered saying maybe we need 466 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: to look more at at immigrant vetting from foreign countries 467 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: that produce a disproportionate share of terrorism. That seems completely 468 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: reasonable to me. I don't see what the problem is there. 469 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: That's that's not hateful, it's not and it directly it 470 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: directly looks at this issue that happened in New York. Right, 471 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: It's okay, this is these were the case, These were 472 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: the circumstances of the case in New York City. What 473 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: could have been done to prevent it looking at it 474 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: and then making choices based upon that line of argument, 475 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: that line of thinking. With this shooting in Texas, what 476 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: is the gun law that we are supposed to change? Now? 477 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: There is reporting right now from USA Today and elsewhere 478 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: that the Air Force failed to flag Devin Kelly as 479 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: banned from buying weapons that essentially the Air Force was 480 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: supposed to pass long information for the FBI for the 481 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: database because he was convicted of domestic assault and under 482 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: federal law would not have been able to purchase a 483 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: gun legally. Well, this would be what we would yeah 484 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: refer to as a mistake or a mess up. This 485 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: is an error. This isn't a failure of policy. This 486 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: is the imperfection of a system on display. Could it 487 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: be fixed for sure? If it can be fixed, let's 488 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: fix it. If there's a way for the military to 489 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: better reporting to the FBI. If someone does get disciplined 490 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: under U C m J for assaulting their spouse and 491 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: breaking this uh skull of of a baby on purpose, 492 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: and you know that's I will say. Also, if there's 493 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: a failure in the system that I can identify, it's 494 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: one that the information may not have been passed along 495 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: the FBI, which I think is just error. I don't think. 496 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: I think that's human error. And I've worked in bureaucracies 497 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: and I can tell you. We can pound the walls 498 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: and yell about how we'll never make human error again, 499 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: that's a that's just nonsense. There will be errors. You 500 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: can try to mitigate them, limit them. Sure, let's do that. 501 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the process by which the Air 502 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Force would notify the FBI or how that's supposed to go, 503 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: but we can look into that. Absolutely, that's a legitimate discussion, 504 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: and that's that should happen. But the law is already there. 505 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: This guy never should have been able to buy a gun, 506 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: and it was illegal for him, regardless of notification to 507 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: have a gun. It was on him as a gun owner. 508 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: He was still an illegal gun owner. It just did 509 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: not get flagged to prevent him from purchasing via the FBI. So, okay, 510 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: we look at that now. We'll try to make sure 511 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: that there's no breakdown in communication. There will be, but 512 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: let's hope there are fewer, so that there's the possibility 513 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: of preventing a situation like this from happening again. Otherwise 514 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: we know there are plenty of other guy just could 515 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: have bought a gun illegally off the street, and we 516 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: can go through all the different scenarios and then you 517 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: just when you look at anyone who would do violence 518 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: against against an animal, I also think should be banned 519 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: from gun ownership period, meaning anyone who is guilty of 520 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: cruelty to animals, anyone who has been charged with that, 521 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: because that is such a an indicator of a dangerous 522 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: psychological state. You know, somebody who would tie up and 523 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: and as this Kelly reportedly did tie up and beat 524 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: his own dog, I think that's also anytime you have 525 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: a charge for that, I think you should also be 526 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 1: banned from on a fire. That's just now, that's all. 527 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: That's my opinion. But that may be a law that 528 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: we add in there too. You know that these are 529 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: these are legitimate discussions to have, but they're based on 530 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: the facts of the case. Right. This isn't about just, 531 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: oh well, let's ban everything because we're gonna ban things 532 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: because we don't like people who won't guns. That's a 533 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: worthless conversation. It's not even it's not even the conversation 534 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: that's had in good faith. Oh one more note and 535 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: then we'll go. And by the way, I meant to 536 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: mention that we will be talking about how we are 537 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: getting pretty closer to what could be a massive Sunni 538 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: Shia conflagration in the Middle East. I mean, a big 539 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. We are closer right 540 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: now than we have been in a long time. I'll 541 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: get into that in the next hour. It'll be a 542 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: buck brief, but just keep a keep your ears out 543 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: for that. One but one more before we're going to 544 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: break here and I can talk to you about this 545 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: all night. And I know we've got other subject matter 546 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: I want to get into as well, and that is 547 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: that all you have to know about somebody to know 548 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: their character, to know whether you can trust them, to 549 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: know whether they are a good person or not, is 550 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: do they do violence, what they engage in violence against 551 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: a child. That's it. It's all you have to know. 552 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: So with that on someone's record, Uh, there should be 553 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: flags for firearms ownership, which I know there are. And 554 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: it seems that this just didn't get the information wasn't transmitted, 555 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: but there are already laws in place for that. But 556 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: we we could look at that and make sure that 557 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: This is not a situation that could ever slip through 558 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: the cracks, because violence against a child, that's just that's 559 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: game over with someone. When you know that about somebody, 560 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: you know they're a danger there of of bad character, 561 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: and you need to take precautions. And also if there's 562 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: real violence, it gets a child, like we saw in 563 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: this case, long prison sentences. Thank you very much. You know, 564 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: I'm amazed that you know you'll get twenty years under 565 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, post financial meltdown for trying to discard 566 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: documents that are involved in like a federal accounting fraud case. 567 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: Twenty years you can get for that, But you go 568 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: to prison for twelve months for breaking a baby's skull. No, 569 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: something something's wrong there. So we're going to get into 570 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. You're going to talk to 571 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: you about the possibility of a major military conflict, a war, 572 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: we could say war, right. I sometimes get caught up 573 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: in saying things like I'm some kind of a robot. 574 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: It's it's a habit from the old analyst days where 575 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: you speak about limited incursions and I don't know, precision 576 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: strike and nettic versus non kinetic activity, I mean kinnetic 577 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: activity makes it sound like people are talking about whether 578 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: or not you're going to be outside playing ball or 579 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: inside playing video games. As those of you're listening who 580 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: have been in this world, though, going kinnectic is a 581 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: big deal. It means that there will be military action taken. 582 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: It means things will get shot blown up, and people 583 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: will lose their lives. So the Saudi Yemeni story because 584 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: it also ties into the broader Middle East right now, 585 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,919 Speaker 1: including places where we have US troops and we don't 586 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: just have interests, we have people and personnel who could 587 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: quickly come into harm's way. This is is a reminder 588 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: that unfortunately, as much as many of us would rather 589 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: not spend our time thinking about working in and trying 590 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: to fix the Middle East, we may not care all 591 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: that much about Middle East, but the Middle East unfortunately 592 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: cares about us, or at least it's going to cause 593 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: problems for us for the forced seeable future. So we'll 594 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: talk about that, and then also very compelling analysis of 595 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: the recent bin laden document release from Stephen Hayes over 596 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: the Weekly Standard that I wanted to just give you 597 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,839 Speaker 1: my my take on and if I have time as well, 598 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: these this series of bombings in Sweden that no one's 599 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: talking about, and how could there be bombings in a 600 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 1: very peaceful, low crime country like Sweden that get no attention. 601 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 1: Other shows just talk at you. In the Freedom Hud, 602 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: we have a mission. We fight for the truth in 603 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: a team effort and buck us back with our next play. 604 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,919 Speaker 1: You are now entering the Freedom Technical Operations Center. All 605 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 1: sensitive programs must be kept strictly. Need to know Team 606 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: Bucket is cleared front of that and ready for the 607 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: butt brief. A missile strike fired from Yemen at riadd 608 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: the Saudi capital, in fact, fired in the vicinity of 609 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,960 Speaker 1: the Riad airport. That is a clear act of war. 610 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: Now we'll get into who did it, what's going on, 611 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: and as importantly as anything else, why we should care. Now, 612 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: this is not just a regional squabble in a region 613 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: that has far too many squabbles. I am well aware 614 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: of that the Saudis have replaced the Egyptians, just as 615 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: some context before I get into the specifics of the incident. 616 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: The Saudis have replaced the Egyptians as our most important 617 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: Sunni Arab ally, especially in a military sense, and the 618 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: Saudis are now our counterweight against Iran in Iran that 619 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: we have seen in Iraq has far more influence on 620 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: what's going on day to day and on the ground 621 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: than we do. And in Iran that got away with 622 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: bullying our Kurdish allies, threatening them, shooting at them, and 623 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: is flexing its muscles by supporting various terrorist proxies around 624 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,959 Speaker 1: the region, including al Qaeda, which does not get nearly 625 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: enough attention. And I'll bring that up in a few 626 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: minutes when we talk about the bin Laden documents, because 627 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: we are told that there are these simplistic ways to 628 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: view Iranian support for terrorism. You know, there's Shia and 629 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: the Sunni Shia schism prevents the Iranians from fully backing 630 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: terrorist organizations that are Sunni, and of the Muslim world 631 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: is Sunni and not Shia. And yet Hamas, which is 632 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: a Sunni terrorist organization, has Iran backing it, and al 633 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: Qaeda has a much cold zeer relationship with the Iranian state, 634 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 1: then we have been led to believe, especially under the 635 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: Obama administration. I wonder why could it be that wagering 636 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: the future of the Middle East on a deal put 637 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 1: together by the deeply unimpressive diplomatic squad of John Kerry 638 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: and company. Could it be that a deal with it 639 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: with a regime that wants our destruction and that is 640 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: in bed with al Qaeda, that that that's not a 641 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: smart move, that that was not worth the previous of 642 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: course you know the answer to that. But let's get 643 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: back into what happened here with the Saudias and why 644 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: I'm telling you the Saudis are important to us as 645 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 1: a counterweight against Iran, and we have our differences with 646 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 1: the Saudias, and we have places where we can work 647 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: with them and where they are very helpful even essential 648 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: at times in the Middle least, they have been working 649 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: with us against the Islamic State. But the Saudis have 650 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: been buying a whole lot of very fancy weaponry now 651 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: for a long time, and they are a considerable regional 652 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: military power, and that has led them to have their 653 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: own adventurism streak or interventionist streak, and that's brought them 654 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: into Yemen, where they have been engaged in a campaign 655 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: mostly from a campaign from the air of air strikes 656 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: against the Shia Houthi rebels. Now I know that this 657 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: is where we could all sort of take a moment 658 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: and say, okay, but now we're talking Hohoth, the rebels 659 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: in Yemen. What does this have You've got You've got 660 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: the Islamic State running around Yemen. You've got Al Kadi 661 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: in the Arabian Peninsula out of Yemen. You've got a 662 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: central government that's had to flee the capital city. You've 663 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: got a civil war going on Yemen. Why do we 664 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: care about all this? Well, as you know, terror sentities 665 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: that operate in failed states and the back games that 666 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: are presented as a result of a fail state, whether Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, 667 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: parts of Pakistan, parts of Nigeria, the Sinai Peninsula off 668 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 1: of Egypt, mind now, or southern island of the Philippines. 669 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, these are all places where they're far away, 670 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: we don't care. But there are terrorists operating there, including 671 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 1: terrorists groups that specifically want to come at us. They 672 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: want to train people, or encourage people, or work with 673 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: people to kill us in US cities and towns, or 674 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 1: to kill our people abroad, so we can entirely go 675 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: So that that's part one of why we care about Yemen. 676 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: But there's also a much bigger struggle playing out right 677 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: now in the Middle East, and as I say this 678 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: to you. We have still US troops what about nine 679 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: thousand in Afghanistan? And I think the number has been 680 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: opted recently a few more, few more thousand, so we'll 681 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: call it a round ten thousand. And then you have, gosh, 682 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: I don't even know what the number is right now, 683 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 1: five or six thousand US troops in Iraq. Who knows 684 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: what we have in Syria and Iraq that we don't 685 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: even know about. Uh, we are involved still, and we 686 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: have ships patrolling the Persian Gulf or the Arabian Gulf, 687 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: depending on who you want to ask um. And just 688 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: in the region, we have a lot of a lot 689 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,919 Speaker 1: of interest, a lot of things going on. And what's 690 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: happening right now is you're seeing an alignment between Sunni 691 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: and Shia across the entirety of the Middle East. And 692 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: the leaders of those two factions on the nation state side, 693 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 1: those the countries that are at the at the head 694 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: of their respective sectarian factions are Saudi Arabia and Iran. 695 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia is the Sunni Arab leader in the region now, 696 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,359 Speaker 1: it is in terms of population and money and military capability. 697 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: Now a it's a it's a player and the Iranians 698 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: and their revolutionary regime and all the efforts that they've 699 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: been undertaking now for decades to militarize and to create 700 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: these relationships with groups like Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Assad 701 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: regime in Syria, the Shia militias and various Shia politicians 702 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: and uh. The Iranian influence in Iraq is one of 703 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 1: the very unfortunate legacies of the Iraq War. They have 704 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of leverage there and then in also 705 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: in in Bahrain you have a Sunni Shia divide where 706 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: the Iranians are unhelpful. And in Yemen you have the 707 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: Houthi rebels who are Shia who are getting support from Iran. 708 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 1: And this is a civil This is like a civil 709 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,720 Speaker 1: war over the course or sectarian war that is transnational 710 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: that's going on in different countries and they have backers 711 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: based on sect and this all has to do with 712 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: the For those who want to know, I mean Shia 713 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: comes from Shiat Ali or the partisans of Ali, and 714 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 1: the Sunni are those who were follows that the son 715 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: of the tradition of the prophet. So there was a 716 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: leadership schism after the death of the Islamic prophet Mohammed 717 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: in the seventh century, and there were battles fought, and 718 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,799 Speaker 1: you can to us, people don't know, they don't care, 719 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: they don't think about what happened with at the Battle 720 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: of Boder and and these different critical fights among the 721 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: various factions power power plays going on in the seventh 722 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: eighth century Arabian Peninsula and broader Middle East. But they 723 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: have ramifications that affect us to this day. One of 724 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: the reasons why I like to talk to you on 725 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: this show and do my best to bring you the 726 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: most relevant historical information about all of this is you 727 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: can't understand the Middle East without understanding the history. It's 728 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: just not possible because they are steeped in it. They 729 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, some of these militants may not be the 730 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: least bit conversant on and in fact they aren't generally 731 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: conversant on the Enlightenment thinking and the great literature of 732 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: Western civilization. But they can tell you about the Battle 733 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: of Boter, They can tell you what happened to Ali. 734 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: They can tell you about the Shia's history of lamentations 735 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 1: and the Shia Muslims persecution. The only about twenty of 736 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: the Muslim population globally, their persecution at the hands of 737 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: the Sunni majority, and how that factors into so much 738 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: of their thinking. And you know this is now do 739 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: you care about this? Should do you have to care? Well? 740 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: When you have an Iranian BacT malicious? Not really, you know, 741 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,360 Speaker 1: a rebel faction will call it in Yemen, and remember, 742 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,279 Speaker 1: Yemen is just an appendage of Saudi Arabia in terms 743 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,359 Speaker 1: of geography, right, the and and the Saudis have been 744 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: building offense to try to keep out the Yemenis for 745 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: quite a while and prevent smuggling and human trafficking on 746 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: their board. So the Saudis believed the border that a 747 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: border fence works, I should note, but the Saudis have 748 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: been trying to and yet it is one of the 749 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: first countries that it is believed it will be the 750 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: first country in the world to truly run out of 751 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 1: potable water. When you add that on top of all 752 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: the other problems that this country is facing, it does 753 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: not have a bright future. It used to be a 754 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,399 Speaker 1: place where people would go to you know, they would 755 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: go to study study the religion of Islam. And it 756 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to because it was not developmentally very advanced. 757 00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: It was a great environment to try to mimic the 758 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,040 Speaker 1: lifestyle and habits of the profit in the seventh century. 759 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 1: So there was a certain allure that Yemen had for 760 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: those who radicalized and became hardliners. They would travel there 761 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: and then they would try to get In some cases, 762 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: they would try to get This is the al Laki model, right. 763 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: They wanted to get linked up with al Qaeda, with 764 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: the Islamic State. But the Hoothies are backed by Iran, 765 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: and the Hoothies just fired a missile at Saudi Arabia 766 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,959 Speaker 1: from Yumani Territory, at the Saudi International Airport and Rion. 767 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: That's a big deal everyone. I mean, you think about 768 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: this now, uh if? If I mean I can't use 769 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: the I mean I love my Canadian brothers and sisters 770 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: so much, I can't use them as the exam But 771 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess we kind of have to hear. 772 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: If someone if there was a fight going on over 773 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: the future of Montreal and all of a sudden you 774 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: had missiles fired at JFK Airport in New York City 775 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: and they came pretty close and they had to be 776 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: intercepted by the U. S. Military, we'd have we'd have 777 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: a big problem, right, we all would understand that that 778 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: would be a major issue. And the Saudis have publicly 779 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: and this is reported today, Saudi's have publicly accused the 780 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: Iranians of an act of war. Uh. This is how 781 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: real wars start, right, this is how war war starts. 782 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,479 Speaker 1: Countries are fire and missiles at other countries airports, using 783 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: proxies to do it. But I think that there's a 784 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: sense in the region. Well it's been around for a 785 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,280 Speaker 1: long time, but maybe now it's the the last straw 786 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: that the Iranians use of cutouts and various factions has 787 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: Malah Hamas uh Shia militia's in in Iraq. You've just 788 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: gone on the line all these different terrorists, oh, the Taliban, 789 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 1: al Qaeda, I mean, name a terrorist the Iranians named 790 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: Islamic terrorist group. The Iranians are like, we got we 791 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: gotta work for you. We got something you can do. 792 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: We could work really on this. We'll help you out. 793 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: That's the Iranian approach because any any g hottest entity 794 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 1: gives the Iranian strategic depth against the real enemy, which 795 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: is Israel on the West in America. That's that's Iran's 796 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: true enemy. They know that that's the only existential threat. 797 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: And we're an existential threat to them, not so much 798 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,520 Speaker 1: because we believe in regime change, but because we are 799 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:14,440 Speaker 1: a constant reminder that they are not a powerful uh, 800 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: They're not a powerful regime, they are not a global power, 801 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,360 Speaker 1: they're not even really a regional hedgemon yet. And we 802 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: could kick their butts and they know it. And we're 803 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,439 Speaker 1: much more prosperous and much happier than they are, and 804 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: the regime doesn't like it. Our existence threatens the existence 805 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 1: of the Iranian regime because our existence proves that Iran 806 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: is a lie at the revolution of the Molas and 807 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: all this seventy nine revolutionary Islamic theocracy talk is just garbage. 808 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: It's just garbage. It's just an excuse for for tyranny 809 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: and bureaucratic sloth and depression. So the Iranians can't be 810 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,359 Speaker 1: friends with us any and I mean I don't mean 811 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: the Iranian people, and I'm talking about the government. The 812 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: Iranian government can't be friends with us anytime. Son. We 813 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: know that, and that's not going to change. But if 814 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,359 Speaker 1: you have more open conflict between the Saudis and the Iranians, Ah, 815 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,480 Speaker 1: Then you could see a spiral effect. Right if all 816 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Iranians openly because the Runnings deny 817 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,359 Speaker 1: any connection to the Houthis and Yem, and if they 818 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: openly start fighting it out there, then it might turn to, well, 819 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: what happens when the Saudi when the Saudi airstrike against 820 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: Isis actually hits a faction of Irani and I R 821 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 1: G C in Syria? What do you think? What do 822 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,719 Speaker 1: you think the Iranian responses? And then what happens when 823 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: you have a there are Shia terrorists that operate inside 824 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia? Shou know too, there's a Shia faction in 825 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. What happens when a know, a mosque 826 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: in and Riad gets blown up right or or Jedda, 827 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you've got a mass casualty event 828 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: at the hands of some Shia militant faction that the 829 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,560 Speaker 1: Iranians put up to a right, you see how quickly 830 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: that can escalate and turned from a series of small 831 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 1: conflicts into big war. And a war between Iran and 832 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia would be ugly, It would be very I 833 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: mean you look at how ugly the war was between 834 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,240 Speaker 1: Iraq and Iran. It was actually the large, the longest, 835 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: I believe, the longest declared war between nation state alligerents 836 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: in the century. I think that is the case. It 837 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,680 Speaker 1: went on for nine years. I might be I might 838 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: be missing the specifics on that statistic, but I think 839 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,320 Speaker 1: I know went on for basically the entirety of the eighties. 840 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,920 Speaker 1: But I think it was the longest declared war the 841 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: twentieth century. So we pay attention to this because this 842 00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,920 Speaker 1: could like the whole Middle East on fire really fast, 843 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: and it's troubling. It's very troubling to do. When you 844 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: see a missile fire and it's just a missile fired 845 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,560 Speaker 1: at an airport, what's the Saudi response if that hoothy 846 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: missile takes down a plane with three people, Well, the 847 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: Saudis are gonna do what they're gonna say, Oh yeah, uh, 848 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't really the Yemeni government, or it 849 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,600 Speaker 1: wasn't really Iran. I mean, I don't want to know 850 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: how they would respond. It's this is very dangeroustuff. These 851 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,879 Speaker 1: are even for even by Mid East standards right now, 852 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: this is a precarious time, all right. So I was 853 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: mentioning to before about the bin Laden documents. And here's 854 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: what's very interesting about this. I have not had a 855 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,320 Speaker 1: chance he had to read the bin Laden Journal. There 856 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of documents were just released. What was 857 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,200 Speaker 1: it last week? There are four hundred seventy thousand documents 858 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,719 Speaker 1: from uh, the Osama Bin Laden rey and they're finally 859 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,680 Speaker 1: now out there in the public domain. I think there 860 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,400 Speaker 1: are redactions in many of them, but they're out there 861 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,840 Speaker 1: in the public domain. Uh, here's what's so interesting about this. 862 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 1: And now you think, but come on, it's been lawn 863 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: Raiders was a while ago. Okay, well, why were they 864 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,960 Speaker 1: just released? Now? Why did it? Why did the Obama 865 00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:02,320 Speaker 1: administration only allow for during a grand total of five 866 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,799 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy one according to the Weekly Standard. Here 867 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,959 Speaker 1: some very interesting reporting from an analysis from Stephen Hayes 868 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: over the Weekly Standard. He's saying, Okay, so they released 869 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: five seventy one and you had the Office of the 870 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence announced announced on the almost last 871 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:27,360 Speaker 1: day of the Obama administration that this was going to 872 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: close the book on the Bin Laden on the bin 873 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,880 Speaker 1: Laden documents. I mean, that is crazy. The official statement 874 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 1: today marks the end of a two and a half 875 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,360 Speaker 1: year effort to declassify several hundred documents recovered in the 876 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 1: raid on Osama bin Laden. Okay, so that was five 877 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,879 Speaker 1: seventy one. Now we have four hundred seventy thousandsand so yes, 878 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 1: I have not had I read quickly, but I have 879 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,320 Speaker 1: not had all of the time for that uh to read. 880 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: So I need to go through it more. But here's 881 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: what Hayes is saying about what's in this document or 882 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,960 Speaker 1: what's in these documents, and that is that the whole 883 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: narrative of Osama bin Laden as frustrated, lonely al Qaeda 884 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,560 Speaker 1: is defeated and destroyed and everything else. What if it's 885 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: not true? What if as we go through these documents, 886 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: and that's what we're beginning to see al Qaeda actually 887 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:28,600 Speaker 1: was planning massive attacks, felt like it's ideology was still 888 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,240 Speaker 1: spreading around the globe, and there was an entirely different 889 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,439 Speaker 1: view of al Qaeda that needs to be out there 890 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 1: in the public then the one that we were given 891 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: by the Obama administration. Because remember Big Laden was dead, 892 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:47,040 Speaker 1: General Motors was alive. That was the slogan for reelection. Also, 893 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: what if while the Obama administration was mortgaging the rest 894 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,680 Speaker 1: of the United States is mid East policy and interests 895 00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,680 Speaker 1: to try to get a deal with Iran. What if 896 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: it was clear from these documents that the al Qaeda 897 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: Iran relationship was much stronger, much more clear than what 898 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 1: had been previously publicly stated by the administration. Would that 899 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,239 Speaker 1: have affected how we thought of Obama and his diplomats 900 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,719 Speaker 1: bending over to try do everything they could to get 901 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 1: a deal with the Millis in Tehran if we knew 902 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 1: that they were shoulder shoulder with al Qaeda. That is 903 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 1: in these documents. To my friends, he's holding the line 904 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 1: for America. Buck sext in his back are. We've been 905 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,240 Speaker 1: discussing a lot of national security today on the show 906 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: You have President Trump in the early stages of his 907 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,920 Speaker 1: much anticipated trip to Asia. He had a an interesting 908 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: moment where the press, or at least CNN, decided to 909 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,479 Speaker 1: deceptively edit a video to show him throwing the rice 910 00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,000 Speaker 1: when he was at a quipond with Prime Minister Abe, 911 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: and they made it seem like that was bad, but 912 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,839 Speaker 1: in fact Abe threw the rice all of it at 913 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,080 Speaker 1: once afterwards or before he did too, So that's all 914 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,279 Speaker 1: just the media doing nonsense. But let's actually focus on 915 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,680 Speaker 1: the policy angle of all of this for a moment. 916 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: To do that, we have Michael Austlin on the line. 917 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: He is a Hoover Institution research fellow and his latest 918 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,600 Speaker 1: book is The End of the Asian Century, War, Stagnation 919 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 1: and the Risks to the World's most Dynamic Regent. Michael, 920 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: great to have you, Thank you, buck Uh. First off, 921 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,440 Speaker 1: what are what are the takeaways or what are hopefully 922 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,600 Speaker 1: going to be the takeaways of President Trump's first major 923 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 1: trip to Asia, not not a pivot to Asia, visit Asia. Well, 924 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,040 Speaker 1: what I think is the key for the President and 925 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,880 Speaker 1: for the White House is to show that they're going 926 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: to remain engaged in Asia. There's been a lot of questioning. 927 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,080 Speaker 1: There were certainly questions over his comments during the campaign, 928 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot of fear in Asia, especially among the allies, 929 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 1: that he might consider changing the alliances with Japan and 930 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,840 Speaker 1: South Korea. He did pull out of the Trans Specific 931 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 1: Partnership TPP, so overall there was a real big question 932 00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 1: was he essentially seating the limelight to China? And I 933 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 1: think this trip is designed, at least in their minds, 934 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: to try to get the Asians to understand that Trump 935 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,800 Speaker 1: may have a different approach, he may have some different emphasies, 936 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,919 Speaker 1: but he is going to be engaged in Asia as 937 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:27,600 Speaker 1: much as the Obama administration. Biggest challenges facing the administration 938 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,840 Speaker 1: in Asia right now other than North Korea, although I'd 939 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: like you to speak to the North Korea problem as well, 940 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: But what what are the what are the non North 941 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,919 Speaker 1: Korea nuclear program issues that Trump really needs to focus on. Well, 942 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: I think the big one is actually countering this impression 943 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 1: that this is China's moment and China is uh, you know, 944 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: hoovering up all of the the attention, the influence, the 945 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 1: power in Asia, and that the US is going to 946 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,600 Speaker 1: be relegated to being a bystander. You know, Shijing Ping 947 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,280 Speaker 1: has come out strong this year, starting right in the 948 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: beginning of the year when he went to Davos and 949 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,880 Speaker 1: in the wake of Trump's election and basically held up China, 950 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, somewhat ironically, as you know, the guardian of 951 00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: the the open global trading system and the like in essence, 952 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: a guardian of liberalism, which of course it's not, uh, 953 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: And she just has come off Jing Ping has just 954 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: come off a very successful five you know, five year 955 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: Party Congress held every once once every five years, where 956 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: he has been anointed as the most powerful man in 957 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: China since Malzadong. So you know, this is a moment 958 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,640 Speaker 1: where Asians are looking at Sjing Ping wondering, for example, 959 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 1: will he leave office in another five years or will 960 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,880 Speaker 1: he stay on, and thinking that this is a not 961 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,720 Speaker 1: only a more powerful but in in many ways more 962 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,040 Speaker 1: aggressive and more assertive China than uh they have been 963 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,800 Speaker 1: used to for a long time. So Trump needs to 964 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: counter that. I think he needs to counter it with 965 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 1: a very clear set of American policies and initiatives. It 966 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: would be very nice to see him argue that America 967 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,160 Speaker 1: is going to be restarting trade talks, even if they're 968 00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: bilateral trade talks. Initially he was not supposed to go 969 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,600 Speaker 1: to the East Asia Summit, and they changed to extend 970 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,240 Speaker 1: the visit to include the East Asia Summing. That's very important. 971 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Otherwise it just would have been a China show in 972 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,800 Speaker 1: all the spotlight would have been Unshijing Ping. So it's 973 01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,280 Speaker 1: really I think it's really about China other than North Korea. 974 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Speaking to Michael Austlin, he has a book at the 975 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,880 Speaker 1: end of the Asia Asian century. Uh, and Michael, I 976 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,520 Speaker 1: want to ask you because I think there is a 977 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 1: perception and it's it's a perception that I would understand 978 01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,600 Speaker 1: why people have it that it's just a matter of 979 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:38,000 Speaker 1: time before Asia, particularly China, overtakes us economically. That the 980 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:44,000 Speaker 1: Chinese government's hybrid capitalism statis um model. It was very 981 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 1: popular with intellectuals and in this country some years ago 982 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,640 Speaker 1: people have backed off that for a number of reasons. 983 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 1: But there was a time when I'm sure you remember 984 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,520 Speaker 1: Tom Friedman and others writing about how you know that 985 01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 1: the China model is really how you get things done. 986 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,160 Speaker 1: But there is a perception that we are just biding 987 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,240 Speaker 1: our time until China becomes not among everybody, but people 988 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 1: think this, uh, China becomes the dominant global power. Just 989 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,200 Speaker 1: a question of when not if you seem to take 990 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,280 Speaker 1: of you that that is way too Rosie a picture 991 01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,640 Speaker 1: from the perspective of how great China is going to 992 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,360 Speaker 1: be in the future. I think it is. I think, look, 993 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,240 Speaker 1: no one can deny what China has become. And if 994 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,760 Speaker 1: you're old enough and I'm just old enough to you know, 995 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:24,520 Speaker 1: remember a world, no world where China wasn't that powerful 996 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,840 Speaker 1: and wasn't that influential. There was always the potential. But 997 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 1: certainly over the past twenty years twenty five years, China 998 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: has done something that is almost unprecedented in world history 999 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,760 Speaker 1: in terms of its development, the creation of a middle 1000 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 1: class and the like. Um. But I think those are 1001 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: those easy years are over, and to be truthful, they 1002 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,640 Speaker 1: weren't all that easy, you know, and you have to, 1003 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: as crazy as it sounds, give the government and the 1004 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: party the credit it deserves for guiding China down this 1005 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:57,040 Speaker 1: path and guiding it relatively peacefully, at least until until recently. 1006 01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of oppression. There's been a lot 1007 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:00,840 Speaker 1: of things that we have been wanted to look at 1008 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,720 Speaker 1: what's been going on inside China. But overall, in terms 1009 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,200 Speaker 1: of the grand sweep of Chinese history, this has been 1010 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 1: a very peaceful period in a period of unprecedented growth. 1011 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 1: But I think we're gonna look back and we're going 1012 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,920 Speaker 1: to say that that period came to an end. Right 1013 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,680 Speaker 1: about now. We've seen a dramatic slowdown in the macroeconomic 1014 01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 1: numbers from China. We know because of the UH the 1015 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 1: enforced one child policy, that they are now about to 1016 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 1: enter a period of demographic slowdown. Do you think there's 1017 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: a bakery by the way in their economic numbers. I 1018 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,960 Speaker 1: hear a lot of people who follow no question about it, 1019 01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 1: And the problem is we just don't know how much. 1020 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 1: So you either say, well, look, I'll be skeptical, but 1021 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,960 Speaker 1: I'll take their numbers, or there's just no way for 1022 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: me to even get at that. But there's no question, 1023 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 1: no one. The Chinese themselves don't believe the numbers, and 1024 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:52,720 Speaker 1: they tell us that. So for surely there's dramatic economic slowdown. Uh, 1025 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, they've destroyed their environment. There is deep distrust 1026 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: of the party and the corruption within the party. She' 1027 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: Ing himself has helped exacerbate tensions with almost all of 1028 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: China's neighbors, from Japan to India to Southeast Asia. Um 1029 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: the only one that he seems to have moderately good 1030 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,400 Speaker 1: relations with his Russia, and I wouldn't bet on that 1031 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 1: lasting for a long time. So I think the bottom line, 1032 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,480 Speaker 1: book is is that going forward, the next generation, the 1033 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: next twenty years twenty five years of Chinese sistory, I 1034 01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:23,640 Speaker 1: think are going to be a lot more difficult and 1035 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,439 Speaker 1: at a minimum, at a minimum, we're going to see 1036 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: them not as twelve feet tall, but as as you know, 1037 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: as what they are, which is an extremely powerful and 1038 01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: extremely important country, but one that faces the same type 1039 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,960 Speaker 1: of problems as the rest of US. And it is not, 1040 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, the wonderland that Tom Friedman paints, that the 1041 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: that used to be us type of country. One more 1042 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: thing I want to get into, Michael. We only got 1043 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: a few minutes, but you have a very interesting piece 1044 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 1: here on the Atlantic. Trump should help keep North Korea 1045 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,280 Speaker 1: keep its nukes safe. I I knew we'd get to 1046 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 1: North Korea, but I wanted to bring the audience into 1047 01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,600 Speaker 1: discussion about what really matters with regard to China first, 1048 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,160 Speaker 1: but now North Korea. Huge enough headlines Kim Jong un. Uh, 1049 01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: in this war of words with Trump, we keep hearing 1050 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,680 Speaker 1: about it. What do you think needs to be done here? Well, look, 1051 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,440 Speaker 1: the we are out of good options, and I think 1052 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,800 Speaker 1: everyone recognizes that, and I think you have to cut 1053 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,480 Speaker 1: the administration um some slack. If not cut it, some 1054 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,600 Speaker 1: slacks certainly feel for it because it's been handed a 1055 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,120 Speaker 1: completely raw deal by the Obama and Bush administrations before it. Uh, 1056 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,320 Speaker 1: there really are no good options. I wrote that piece 1057 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: because my assumption is we're not going to go to 1058 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,680 Speaker 1: war with North Korea. It is both too risky and 1059 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,880 Speaker 1: the idea of preventive war post Iraq in the United States, 1060 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: I think is it's just a bar too high. I 1061 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:40,480 Speaker 1: don't think you can you can get to it. So 1062 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,640 Speaker 1: that means we're going to accept a world in which 1063 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,080 Speaker 1: North Korea has has nukes. The only way we're going 1064 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:49,320 Speaker 1: to de nuclearize North Korea is through a massive invasion 1065 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,880 Speaker 1: and a takeover of that country, which, by the way, 1066 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 1: the Chinese won't allow. So on the assumption that that 1067 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and granted it's an assumption, we have to 1068 01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,320 Speaker 1: learn to live with North Korean nukes. And what worries 1069 01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,960 Speaker 1: me the most is not that Kim Jong lun wakes 1070 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: up one day and says, you know, today, I'm gonna 1071 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna newke l A, because that would mean the 1072 01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,440 Speaker 1: end of his regime, or nuke Tokyo or even Soul, 1073 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:13,480 Speaker 1: but rather that having nuclear weapons is an extremely difficult 1074 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,240 Speaker 1: and complicated process. We've been doing it for seventy years, 1075 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: and we make mistakes all the time, some of them 1076 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: near catastrophic. The Russians have had catastrophic accidents. So if 1077 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: we if we do wind up living, which I think 1078 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,040 Speaker 1: the odds are living in a world with North Korean nukes. 1079 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 1: We have to make sure, ironically, and as crazy as 1080 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,720 Speaker 1: it sounds, that Kim Jong lan actually has a safe 1081 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,520 Speaker 1: and reliable force, That he doesn't have someone who panics 1082 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,000 Speaker 1: and turns the button the key at the wrong time, 1083 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 1: That he doesn't have bombs that don't have safety switches 1084 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,320 Speaker 1: that we don't know how they're wiring. Is so that 1085 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: a rocket lifts off. All of these things actually can happen. 1086 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 1: And non proliferation, of course on top of all that, 1087 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,200 Speaker 1: which is a proliferation on top of it, right, so 1088 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:56,160 Speaker 1: that you have you have dangerous nukes spreading throughout the world. 1089 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 1: We don't know how to deal with this. We have 1090 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: no idea what his command control mechanism is going to be, 1091 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: like how they're going to respond in a crisis, if 1092 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,760 Speaker 1: they're going to have trained crisis management teams because one 1093 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,720 Speaker 1: of their missiles has been damaged. All of this is 1094 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,080 Speaker 1: open and what I think we're gonna have to do, 1095 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,480 Speaker 1: And I've heard um some talk about this from parties 1096 01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,800 Speaker 1: and quarters in China, because believe it or not, they 1097 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 1: are worried about this as well, they don't want to 1098 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,800 Speaker 1: help us with North Korea, but they are worried about 1099 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,000 Speaker 1: this is we may have to try to figure out 1100 01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: a way that China and the United States, and I 1101 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,200 Speaker 1: know this sounds bizarre, actually try to try to help 1102 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,280 Speaker 1: Kim Jong un get a safe and secure nuclear arsenal, 1103 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,880 Speaker 1: because the very last thing we want is one of 1104 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,320 Speaker 1: these things going off and hitting oh Maha because they 1105 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: don't know how to be a nuclear power. Um, this 1106 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,200 Speaker 1: is what failure looks like. We have failed for twenty 1107 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,000 Speaker 1: five years to prevent a nuclear North Korea, and so 1108 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 1: we really have to seriously start thinking anew about what 1109 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,000 Speaker 1: it's going to mean to live in that world. I 1110 01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,120 Speaker 1: give you a lot of credit for for outside the 1111 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,960 Speaker 1: box thinking on this with Michael, because obviously North Korea 1112 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,640 Speaker 1: with nukes is still from from a policy and a 1113 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:03,080 Speaker 1: political standpoint in this country, considered completely unacceptable and everyone 1114 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,680 Speaker 1: says it's unacceptable. And yet in a sense it kind 1115 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: of reminds me about a discussion that I've been involved 1116 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,640 Speaker 1: in the past, at the policy level and now in 1117 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,439 Speaker 1: the media level about Afghanistan, which is what we're doing 1118 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:16,320 Speaker 1: will not work. People can talk about how if we 1119 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 1: do it more. If we do it harder, stronger, better, 1120 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,920 Speaker 1: it will work. What we are doing there will not 1121 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,560 Speaker 1: work in Afghanistan. And I think what you're telling me 1122 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,920 Speaker 1: is that we need to have a similarly honest, bleak 1123 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:33,000 Speaker 1: mentality about what the reality of North Korea nukes will be. Unfortunately, 1124 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,520 Speaker 1: I think that's the truth. You know. Look, it's we 1125 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,120 Speaker 1: don't like admitting defeat, but we have to admit that 1126 01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,200 Speaker 1: we have failed for twenty five years. This is the 1127 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,800 Speaker 1: one thing that that multiple presidents have told us we 1128 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:44,680 Speaker 1: won't have, and we have. Now you got to figure 1129 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,360 Speaker 1: out how you're gonna live with it, because there's no 1130 01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: way they're giving up these weapons short of a massive war. 1131 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,520 Speaker 1: And that massive war is not simply us going in. 1132 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,040 Speaker 1: The Chinese will be involved, South Korean's, Japanese. It would 1133 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 1: make Buck by the way, Iraq and Afghanistan literally look 1134 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,720 Speaker 1: like a cake walk. This specter of a war over 1135 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,000 Speaker 1: North Korea, the collapse of that regime and what could 1136 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,560 Speaker 1: happen out of that would would dwarf anything we've been 1137 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 1: involved with over the past sixteen years. Um, So we 1138 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,360 Speaker 1: gotta we have to figure out what is the prudent 1139 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,360 Speaker 1: way forward, what is the responsible way forward, and it 1140 01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,439 Speaker 1: really does require some out of the box thinking. It 1141 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,639 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're happy about it, but it means you've 1142 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: got to think out of the box because you can't 1143 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,720 Speaker 1: wish these things away. Facts are stubborn things and they're 1144 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: gonna have them. Well, I just appreciate that you're not 1145 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,519 Speaker 1: coming on the air and saying we're just never gonna 1146 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: let North Korea get news. And then my foll up 1147 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,200 Speaker 1: question is how, and then it turns into a lot 1148 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,479 Speaker 1: of you know, strength and diplomacy. So you know, I 1149 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 1: think it's important to look at this stuff with honesty 1150 01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,479 Speaker 1: and clear eyes, even if it's pretty terrifying in the process. 1151 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,759 Speaker 1: Michael Austo and everybody Hoover Institution Research fellow. His book 1152 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,400 Speaker 1: is the End of the Asian Century, And after this interview, 1153 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 1: I can tell you I'm gonna pick up a copy. Michael, 1154 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,920 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Thanks a lot book. You know, 1155 01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,360 Speaker 1: I saw these reports over the weekend that there was 1156 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: going to be a another round of charges from them 1157 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,760 Speaker 1: our investigation. I saw a report that General Flint they 1158 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,240 Speaker 1: had enough to charge General Flint. I'm just wondering why 1159 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,479 Speaker 1: we have not had any follow up. Not usually this 1160 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,800 Speaker 1: information is a leak, either from the grand jury or 1161 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:22,559 Speaker 1: from Mueller's investigatory or investigative whichever we'd like to call 1162 01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:28,439 Speaker 1: it investigation squad. And in this case, we don't see 1163 01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,559 Speaker 1: anything yet, and I wonder why that is. Um they 1164 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,439 Speaker 1: could be working a deal behind the scenes. They could not. 1165 01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,720 Speaker 1: This could also just be fake news. I don't know, 1166 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,920 Speaker 1: but I did see the last twenty four hours they 1167 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,200 Speaker 1: said a flint indictment that Mueller has This was the 1168 01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,160 Speaker 1: This was NBC News within the last day. Mueller has 1169 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,040 Speaker 1: enough evidence to bring charges in Flynn investigation. No charges 1170 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,320 Speaker 1: as of yet. So there's that. There is also a 1171 01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,479 Speaker 1: story that is of much greater interest to me and 1172 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,640 Speaker 1: I think to you as well. That at comes courtesy 1173 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:07,439 Speaker 1: of the Hill and the Hills. John Solomon early Comey 1174 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:12,400 Speaker 1: draft accused Clinton of gross negligence on emails. Let me 1175 01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,920 Speaker 1: just read you a bit from this piece written by Solomon. 1176 01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey statement 1177 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:23,520 Speaker 1: closing out the Hillary email case accused the former secretarists 1178 01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,960 Speaker 1: of State of having been grossly negligent in handling classified information. 1179 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Newly reported memos to Congress show the tough language was 1180 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,800 Speaker 1: changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been 1181 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:43,200 Speaker 1: extremely careless in her handling of classified information. When Comy 1182 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:49,519 Speaker 1: announced in there would be no charges against her, well, 1183 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,360 Speaker 1: my friends, Uh, this is one of those stories that 1184 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 1: is quite significant, but the media is going to pretend 1185 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,240 Speaker 1: that it's not. It is very meaningful, but you will 1186 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,040 Speaker 1: not gather that from the nightly news broadcast. Because here, 1187 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:09,760 Speaker 1: here's what it tells you that gross negligence or was 1188 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,800 Speaker 1: grossly negligent, that that was included in the initial description 1189 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,000 Speaker 1: of what Hillary Clinton did on her with her email server. 1190 01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,120 Speaker 1: And remember it was more than just an email account 1191 01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,720 Speaker 1: or a few air and emails. Here there was a 1192 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,759 Speaker 1: server set up in a private home for the business 1193 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,759 Speaker 1: of the Secretary of States so that she could control 1194 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,759 Speaker 1: the record. And then there was the hammers and bleach 1195 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,920 Speaker 1: bid and the erasing of emails. I mean, it was 1196 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 1: so obvious that this was shady. I mean, this was 1197 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:43,400 Speaker 1: a this was a volcano erupting with shadiness and yet 1198 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,679 Speaker 1: no charges. The reason that it matters that Comy would 1199 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:53,160 Speaker 1: have had gross negligence in the initial statement, even if 1200 01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,080 Speaker 1: it was a statement that was going to exonerate Hillary 1201 01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,360 Speaker 1: or not not really exonerate here just to say that 1202 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,760 Speaker 1: charges won't be brought. It's not really it's not really 1203 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,439 Speaker 1: totally the same thing, but it matters because if Comy 1204 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,719 Speaker 1: had stood up there and read out what Hillary had 1205 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: done and had read that gross negligence was the assessment 1206 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,439 Speaker 1: of the FBI looking into her handling of classified information 1207 01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:22,720 Speaker 1: on her server, which she was only doing because of 1208 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:28,800 Speaker 1: her incessant desire for control. And I think she has 1209 01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,439 Speaker 1: a preference. I know some people I've come across these 1210 01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,800 Speaker 1: people in life who prefer to break the rules. They 1211 01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 1: drive some joy out of it, or they just that 1212 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,439 Speaker 1: they can't operate within the boundaries drawn for them, so 1213 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,040 Speaker 1: they prefer to find the shady way to do it, 1214 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:51,640 Speaker 1: the dishonest way, the method that uses subterfuge, or that 1215 01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,960 Speaker 1: is in some way lacking in integrity. I think Hillary 1216 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,400 Speaker 1: is one of those people. But that Kobe would have 1217 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,080 Speaker 1: read out out gross negligence interstatement would have been the 1218 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,960 Speaker 1: equivalent of saying, well, you know those guys, you know 1219 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,880 Speaker 1: he's uh sorry, he took so you know, he took 1220 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,920 Speaker 1: the the bank money and and he he stole it, 1221 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,200 Speaker 1: and he walked out of the bank with the bank's 1222 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,599 Speaker 1: money and then took it home to hide it, and 1223 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,240 Speaker 1: he threatened force in the process of acquiring the funds. 1224 01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,400 Speaker 1: But and he was armed, so this was a robbery, 1225 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,760 Speaker 1: and he was armed during the robbery, but we would 1226 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,280 Speaker 1: prefer not to refer to it as armed robbery, so 1227 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,920 Speaker 1: we will not charge. He would have walked through every 1228 01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:42,120 Speaker 1: single possible aspect of the statute on misshandling classified information 1229 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:46,080 Speaker 1: for which she was guilty over a hundred times, and 1230 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,160 Speaker 1: adding gross negligence would have meant that the state of 1231 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,120 Speaker 1: mind would have been irrelevant, which would have meant that 1232 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,680 Speaker 1: there was no way to not charge her. So comey, 1233 01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,599 Speaker 1: the case against Hillary was so clear that Kobe had 1234 01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,479 Speaker 1: to change his own wording so that there would be 1235 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:07,559 Speaker 1: some legalistic way of extricating her from criminal charges. But 1236 01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,840 Speaker 1: we can all see this, right, The fix was in. 1237 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,960 Speaker 1: We've known that for a long time. But this just 1238 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:16,120 Speaker 1: goes on the pile of reasons to believe and to 1239 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,160 Speaker 1: know that Hillary was guilty and should have been charged, 1240 01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:24,520 Speaker 1: and they had to they had to literally change language 1241 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:31,640 Speaker 1: to avoid charges against her while she's running for the presidency. Everybody, 1242 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:43,080 Speaker 1: he's holding the line for America. Buck Sexton his back, Okay, team, 1243 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,400 Speaker 1: good of you to be with me here in the 1244 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Freedom Hut California edition. Up in northern California, visiting the 1245 01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:54,920 Speaker 1: Hoover Institution and spending some time on Stanford's gorgeous campus 1246 01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,200 Speaker 1: is a very lovely place, I have to say. But 1247 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,320 Speaker 1: I want to get us some political discussion right now. 1248 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk politics and to join us in that. 1249 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,760 Speaker 1: We have our friend Sarah Westwood on the line. She 1250 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:12,160 Speaker 1: is the White House correspondent for the Washingtons and Washington Examiner, 1251 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,000 Speaker 1: and she's gonna talk to us about all the things. 1252 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:17,240 Speaker 1: What's up, Sarah, Hi, thank for having me. Thank you 1253 01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,759 Speaker 1: so much. All right, let's first start with your peace 1254 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,200 Speaker 1: in the Examiner. Why Robert Mueller is making K Street 1255 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats sweat. You pose the question, you answer it. 1256 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,640 Speaker 1: What's going on with that? Well, it's a really fascinating 1257 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,559 Speaker 1: aspect of Mueller's investigation that I think probably gets far 1258 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:43,440 Speaker 1: these allegations substantiated. But here we're talking about a practice 1259 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,639 Speaker 1: that a lot of people familiar with how Ky Street 1260 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:51,240 Speaker 1: works say is relatively common among lobbyists, which is they're 1261 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:56,439 Speaker 1: going to comba informal understanding among Democratic and Republican lobbyists, 1262 01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,320 Speaker 1: the wit that the Department of Justice just doesn't enforce 1263 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,200 Speaker 1: the rules surrounding foreign lobbying, that more and more lobbyists 1264 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,240 Speaker 1: are choosing not to disclose their activities because they know 1265 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,559 Speaker 1: they're not going to get caught. And so it was 1266 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,840 Speaker 1: interesting to see that the Buller and Gates indictments seemed 1267 01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:18,360 Speaker 1: to be built around their failure to register their lobbying 1268 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:23,240 Speaker 1: but something activity under the Ford Agent Registration for an 1269 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,880 Speaker 1: Agent Registration Act, right Parah, And I think I think 1270 01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: that the moment that you start to dig into a 1271 01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,080 Speaker 1: lot of high profile international lobbying, uh, they could find 1272 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:38,040 Speaker 1: a bunch I'm moving about a lot of far violations 1273 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,479 Speaker 1: and failures exactly. I think that's why you're seeing this 1274 01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,600 Speaker 1: have a greater effect on Case Street just than just 1275 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,639 Speaker 1: a few firms that have had their work discribed the indictment. 1276 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,240 Speaker 1: So we already know that the Paul Manafort Group has 1277 01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:59,960 Speaker 1: been come under enformist that the Podested group, led formerly 1278 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,479 Speaker 1: until last week by uh Tony Podesto, the brother of 1279 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,559 Speaker 1: Hillary Clutin's campaign chairman. It's also under scrutiny for first 1280 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,640 Speaker 1: failing to register their activities in Ukraine and then allegedly 1281 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,040 Speaker 1: according to Mueller falsely representing what they did in Ukraine, 1282 01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,040 Speaker 1: and then Mercury republic Affairs, which as the third and 1283 01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:22,639 Speaker 1: more Republican leaning lobbying firms, seems to be specifically caught 1284 01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,240 Speaker 1: up in this particular scheme. But I think that a 1285 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 1: lot of the nervousness comes from the fact that the 1286 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,920 Speaker 1: Mueller probe seems to be expanding rapidly, seems to have 1287 01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,400 Speaker 1: a domino effect where anyone who had been involved in 1288 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,040 Speaker 1: this tankled web of influence jocking UH is getting caught 1289 01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: up in it. And there's no real clear indication where 1290 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,000 Speaker 1: Muller will stop digging if he starts to find a 1291 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:51,320 Speaker 1: lot of illegality. What about the charges that we are 1292 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,599 Speaker 1: told are ready to go for General Flynn in this 1293 01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,559 Speaker 1: whole Muller probe. Do you have any any sources talking 1294 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,920 Speaker 1: about this, Sarah, any insights what's going on there, because 1295 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,679 Speaker 1: it sounded like we were about to get another indictment 1296 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,800 Speaker 1: drop but didn't happen today. It didn't happen today, But 1297 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,479 Speaker 1: you know, we're hearing the same sorts of things that 1298 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,200 Speaker 1: General Michael Flynn. He's always been considered one of the 1299 01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,840 Speaker 1: top targets of this investigation. UH, for one thing, it 1300 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,000 Speaker 1: was a similar violation of Sarah that he's alleged to 1301 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,040 Speaker 1: have committed that he did not disclose and then potentially 1302 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:31,280 Speaker 1: misrepresented his activities lobbying for the government of Turkey. And 1303 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,920 Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be entirely surprising to see him get 1304 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,760 Speaker 1: hit with an indictment, just because I think back to 1305 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,800 Speaker 1: when this was first starting to mushroom back in May 1306 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,439 Speaker 1: and June and July. The two names that we heard 1307 01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,439 Speaker 1: mentioned over and over and over again, we're Paul Manap 1308 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,120 Speaker 1: and Michael Flynn as as facing the most likely targets 1309 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:55,080 Speaker 1: for an indictment. And we're speaking of Sarah Westwood here everybody. 1310 01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,240 Speaker 1: She's White House correspondent for the Washington Washington Examiner. Sara, 1311 01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,240 Speaker 1: I want to switch gears for a moment and your 1312 01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:01,960 Speaker 1: take on what's going on with the tax bill. I 1313 01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:06,120 Speaker 1: just saw some news that a the scoring of the 1314 01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,160 Speaker 1: tax bill from one of these places that does tax 1315 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,280 Speaker 1: bill scoring. I'm trying to influential think tank. Which one 1316 01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,120 Speaker 1: is it? I forget which one. Anyway, there's a think 1317 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,439 Speaker 1: tank out there that says we've got to redo this. Uh. 1318 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,320 Speaker 1: And then you've got Paul Ryan saying this is gonna 1319 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:24,280 Speaker 1: happen this year. Place sixteen. Please Thanksgiving. You. I feel 1320 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,080 Speaker 1: very good about it. I think our members are very 1321 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,439 Speaker 1: excited about this. We're pleased with what we've rolled out, 1322 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,160 Speaker 1: and this is what we said we would do when 1323 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,759 Speaker 1: we ran for office. In we have to have tax reform, 1324 01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 1: we have to have tax cuts for people in the middle. 1325 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,600 Speaker 1: This delivers that, and we really are convinced this is 1326 01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,519 Speaker 1: going to help get our economy growing and reaching its potential. 1327 01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,280 Speaker 1: You have to do this in order to do that, 1328 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:45,920 Speaker 1: and that's why we want to get it done this 1329 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,840 Speaker 1: year so we can have a very good and get 1330 01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,320 Speaker 1: stronger economic growth. And so yes, we're on track for 1331 01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,800 Speaker 1: moving this through the House before Thanksgiving. That's our plan. 1332 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:55,720 Speaker 1: We expect our friends in the Senate to be about 1333 01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,280 Speaker 1: a week behind us. Okay, that was Sunday from the 1334 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,880 Speaker 1: House Majority Paul Ryan, and then today we get the 1335 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: Washington Post with the following House Republicans tax bill would 1336 01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 1: increase taxes for twelve percent of Americans next year, according 1337 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,200 Speaker 1: to a new report from a nonpartisan tax policy Center. 1338 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,639 Speaker 1: By It's a long way away, but at least twenty 1339 01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:19,160 Speaker 1: eight percent of Americans would see their taxes rise. Many 1340 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,040 Speaker 1: of those people taking a hit will be people who 1341 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,600 Speaker 1: make less than forty eight thousand dollars a year. What 1342 01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,880 Speaker 1: do we make of this? Uh, Sarah? Is is this 1343 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,200 Speaker 1: a problem? Have they have? They run into some some 1344 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:38,479 Speaker 1: issues here with the tax plan? Sarah? We lost Sarah. 1345 01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,519 Speaker 1: I was wondering where Sarah went. I think she's you 1346 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,360 Speaker 1: know what happened there? Dramas is occasionally I switched. You know, 1347 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,800 Speaker 1: we're having fun talking about the Muller investigation and that's 1348 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,080 Speaker 1: some intense stuff, and then you go into taxes and 1349 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:54,400 Speaker 1: everyone's like, taxes, Come on, Oh, taxes just aren't aren't 1350 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,880 Speaker 1: that exciting? So Sarah was like, I'm out. She just 1351 01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:00,639 Speaker 1: dropped the mic. Anyway, we appreciate Sarah joining on Toime. 1352 01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,040 Speaker 1: I will answer my own question now, because we don't 1353 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 1: have a White House reporter who's talking to all the 1354 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,800 Speaker 1: folks down in DC about this, and that is that 1355 01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,760 Speaker 1: they were I don't think they're gonna taxes down this year. 1356 01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,479 Speaker 1: And you could say, well, Buck, how would you know? 1357 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,960 Speaker 1: And I could give you a lot of complex explanations 1358 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,679 Speaker 1: for it. I could tell you that it is because oh, 1359 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, They're they're not really sure about how 1360 01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,000 Speaker 1: they're going to handle the long term budgetary impact and 1361 01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:28,519 Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of that. Or I could 1362 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,920 Speaker 1: just be like, you know, the Republicans can't get stuff done, 1363 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,920 Speaker 1: and I don't think that's changed. I don't think that's 1364 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:39,839 Speaker 1: changed quite yet. I think that there will be some problem. Oh, 1365 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Sarah wanted to come back. She doesn't want to talk taxes. Well, well, hello, Sarah, Aloha, 1366 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,639 Speaker 1: what's going on? Hello? I tried my best to escape, 1367 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,280 Speaker 1: but it didn't work. Oh, I didn't hear what I 1368 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,920 Speaker 1: would you? We get you in a tunnel there or something? 1369 01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,759 Speaker 1: Is that what happened? No, I don't know what happened. Okay, 1370 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,400 Speaker 1: So so, so we got everyone across the country listening. 1371 01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,160 Speaker 1: They hung out. They did not get up out of 1372 01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,680 Speaker 1: their chairs. I promised and leave because you'd dropped off, 1373 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,920 Speaker 1: because they knew you'd come back. Sarah. Uh, taxes, taxes 1374 01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,200 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And is this nonpartisan tax Foundation redoing of 1375 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,200 Speaker 1: the scoring of the bill an issue or is it, 1376 01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, something only people who read the Washington Post 1377 01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,599 Speaker 1: will care about. Well, it's an issue. In so far, 1378 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,320 Speaker 1: is there the opposition to the tax bill and the 1379 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,280 Speaker 1: Republican Party really seems to be coming from conservatives who 1380 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:27,479 Speaker 1: are concerned about how much the tax or form package 1381 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,160 Speaker 1: would add to the deficit. And so if there are 1382 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: a series of more examinations of this bill that show 1383 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,200 Speaker 1: that it's going to cost a lot that might not 1384 01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:42,000 Speaker 1: conform with congressional rules, that it might uh do something 1385 01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,280 Speaker 1: Republicans have long railed against, which is to blow up 1386 01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,559 Speaker 1: the deficit for a tax cut policy that doesn't call 1387 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,920 Speaker 1: for corresponding spending cuts, then I think it might have 1388 01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,920 Speaker 1: some trouble. But at the moment there does seem to 1389 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,960 Speaker 1: be momented behind it. This is the product, obviously of 1390 01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:01,240 Speaker 1: months of work where lawmakers tried really hard not to 1391 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:05,560 Speaker 1: repeat the mistakes that were made during the healthcare conversation. 1392 01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,439 Speaker 1: So there's certainly a better chance that we've ever seen 1393 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:13,240 Speaker 1: that this might happen. So the news, the news late 1394 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,760 Speaker 1: last week, because I'm sure you saw, Sarah, was that 1395 01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:21,120 Speaker 1: the that that the interim d n C chairwoman Donna 1396 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Brazil had said that there was a this agreement and 1397 01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,479 Speaker 1: she was stunned. And look, I will say, for her 1398 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,960 Speaker 1: great publicity for her book, right, I mean, that's now 1399 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 1: people are talking about Donna Brazil's book, which until now 1400 01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,080 Speaker 1: until this, nobody cared about this Donna Brazil book anyway. 1401 01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,479 Speaker 1: But it's been great publicity, and we've all fallen forward 1402 01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,360 Speaker 1: in the meeting because we're like, oh my gosh. But 1403 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,720 Speaker 1: now now that that that she's got all this backlash 1404 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,120 Speaker 1: about it, people are saying, well, hold on a second. 1405 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,080 Speaker 1: In fact, she's saying hold on a second. Here play 1406 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:54,000 Speaker 1: clip ten. Please, Mr Dramas, do you agree with Elizabeth 1407 01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,320 Speaker 1: Warm that the premiers were rigged? I don't think she 1408 01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,719 Speaker 1: she meant the word rigged, because what us and George, 1409 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: as you well know, after I left this show back 1410 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,080 Speaker 1: on July twenty, I said I will get to the 1411 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,360 Speaker 1: bottom of everything, and that's what I did, and I 1412 01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,000 Speaker 1: called Senator Sanders to say, you know, I wanted to 1413 01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,160 Speaker 1: make sure there was no rigging in the process. I'm 1414 01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:14,840 Speaker 1: all the rules and by loss committee. I found no evidence, 1415 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:18,240 Speaker 1: none whatsoever. The thing, the only thing I found, which 1416 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,559 Speaker 1: I said, I found the cancer, but I'm not killing 1417 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,240 Speaker 1: the patient, was this memorandum that prevented the d n 1418 01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,920 Speaker 1: C from running running its own operation. Um, I'm pretty 1419 01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,559 Speaker 1: sure that's that means it's raped. So I'm kind of 1420 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:34,360 Speaker 1: wondering what is she parsing. Is she backpeddling, is she 1421 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,200 Speaker 1: changing her mind? Well, what's going on here? I think 1422 01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,599 Speaker 1: she faced maybe a surprising amount of backlash from Democrats who, 1423 01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:47,479 Speaker 1: because I'm still rushing to Hillary Clinton's defense, he saw 1424 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,560 Speaker 1: that the actual text of the memo Jonni Briggil described 1425 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,920 Speaker 1: in that explosive excerpt was least innbc and presented in 1426 01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:59,080 Speaker 1: a way that suggested maybe Jonni Frizil had exaggerated the 1427 01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,600 Speaker 1: nature of the agree it, although you actually read the 1428 01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,559 Speaker 1: text of it, it's pretty clear that she was. It 1429 01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,200 Speaker 1: was accurately described in that most of the provisions also 1430 01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,360 Speaker 1: applied to the primaries, not just in general, like that 1431 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:13,599 Speaker 1: Clinton campus tried to argue. But regardless, I do think 1432 01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,200 Speaker 1: that she's risks tarnishing her own reputation was in the 1433 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,360 Speaker 1: party if she tries to take down powerful people with 1434 01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,640 Speaker 1: her this you know the narrative last week and I 1435 01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:25,800 Speaker 1: believe this I was saying, and I know others for 1436 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,400 Speaker 1: saying it too. Was clearly the Clintons are done. If 1437 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,320 Speaker 1: it's safe for Donna Brazil to come out and do this, 1438 01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,439 Speaker 1: well now it looks like actually maybe it wasn't safe. 1439 01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,599 Speaker 1: Maybe she was trying to sell books, and she caused 1440 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,360 Speaker 1: the problem for herself. Yeah, well, I think it's a 1441 01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a painful process for Democrats, right. 1442 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,920 Speaker 1: They know they're heading into twenty and they know Hillary 1443 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,439 Speaker 1: Clinton is unpopular. She's continued to remind folks of that 1444 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,080 Speaker 1: with this book tour. She's in the headlines every week. 1445 01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,200 Speaker 1: It has been a head for Democrats. So they are 1446 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,960 Speaker 1: starting those painful problems that probably will process that will 1447 01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,080 Speaker 1: be a start and stop situation where they are trying 1448 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,719 Speaker 1: to sort of cut her off and let her float 1449 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,760 Speaker 1: off the to the distance from the Democratic Party so 1450 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,280 Speaker 1: they can start looking for who will be their standard bearer, 1451 01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 1: who will speak for them and looking on. That can't 1452 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,679 Speaker 1: really happen until there's an acknowledgement that Russia didn't steal 1453 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,360 Speaker 1: the election, that voter suppression didn't steal the election, that 1454 01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,599 Speaker 1: she was a flawed candidate. Sarah Westwood is the White 1455 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,160 Speaker 1: House correspondent for The Washington Examiner. Sarah, thanks for joinings today. 1456 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,559 Speaker 1: I feel like we got you know, double Westwood today, 1457 01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,920 Speaker 1: two interviews out of you, so I appreciate that. Well, 1458 01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,120 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Great to have you. Everyone. Go 1459 01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:37,240 Speaker 1: check out Washington Washington Examiner. Dot comference, Sara Westwood's latest 1460 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,840 Speaker 1: there and we will come back. Sarah, thank you so much. 1461 01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:43,400 Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a few minutes here. And 1462 01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,960 Speaker 1: one thing that I did not ask her, which is 1463 01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,640 Speaker 1: I wonder if at some point, maybe Hillary, after this 1464 01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,479 Speaker 1: whole thing happened with Brazil over the weekend, Donna Brazil, 1465 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,639 Speaker 1: I wonder if Hillary just called her up. And there's 1466 01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,559 Speaker 1: just one question that Hillary would want to ask Don. 1467 01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,639 Speaker 1: I mean, there's one thing she would have to want 1468 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:15,640 Speaker 1: to know here, which is what happened? So what happens 1469 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:21,080 Speaker 1: if you what happens? Sorry I didn't I don't even 1470 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,680 Speaker 1: mean to do that, But so, what would happen if 1471 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:28,800 Speaker 1: if you were to yell, yell something something profane at 1472 01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,360 Speaker 1: or make an obscene gesture in the direction of a 1473 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:38,519 Speaker 1: presidential motorcad. Unless it's a threat, it's completely legal, right. 1474 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you couldn't curse and threaten the president as 1475 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,920 Speaker 1: his motor kid was driving by. That would get you 1476 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:49,599 Speaker 1: in trouble. But you could certainly curse and you wouldn't 1477 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:56,280 Speaker 1: get arrested. You could even use an obscene uh single 1478 01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,720 Speaker 1: digit gesture and wouldn't get arrested. I mean, this is Thailand. Right, 1479 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,320 Speaker 1: you don't go to twenty You don't go to prison 1480 01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,920 Speaker 1: for twenty years for insulting the monarchy or I believe. 1481 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,400 Speaker 1: Also recently in Zimbabwe, a journalists got in a lot 1482 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,400 Speaker 1: of trouble for saying something about Mugabe. Right. There are 1483 01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,120 Speaker 1: countries where you say the wrong thing about the leader, 1484 01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,000 Speaker 1: you get locked out. A lot of countries, actually, when 1485 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,439 Speaker 1: you say the wrong thing about the leader, you get 1486 01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:22,639 Speaker 1: locked up. This is not one of them. But here's 1487 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:26,800 Speaker 1: the thing about freedom comes to the price. Right, we 1488 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:32,280 Speaker 1: have freedom from government intervention when it involves commentary or 1489 01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,640 Speaker 1: expression that is none that is not about violence or 1490 01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,559 Speaker 1: imminent violence. But do we have the right to keep 1491 01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,320 Speaker 1: our jobs no matter what we say or do in public? 1492 01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,439 Speaker 1: This is in the social media era. This debate has 1493 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,559 Speaker 1: changed dramatically and keeps changing year in and year out. 1494 01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:53,840 Speaker 1: This woman, um, she flipped. This is the quote from 1495 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,360 Speaker 1: the watch the boats flipped off President Trump and got 1496 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,519 Speaker 1: fired from her contracting job. I don't know how many 1497 01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,400 Speaker 1: of you saw the there was a photo that went viral, 1498 01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,200 Speaker 1: probably not in your Facebook feed or Twitter feed or 1499 01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,280 Speaker 1: you know email sent to you, but in a lot 1500 01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:08,960 Speaker 1: of and a lot of Democrats you know, it might 1501 01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,200 Speaker 1: have made the way, might its way in there of 1502 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,120 Speaker 1: this woman who has given the the one you know, 1503 01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,519 Speaker 1: given a one finger salute or it's not a bronx cheer. 1504 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,439 Speaker 1: I forget what the different ways of saying are, but 1505 01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,439 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, gave the middle finger 1506 01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:30,000 Speaker 1: to the President's motorcade and now she's fired, and she's 1507 01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,080 Speaker 1: very upset about this. I don't know how many times 1508 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: we're going to go through this discussion but or through 1509 01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:39,800 Speaker 1: this a version of this. But just because you hate 1510 01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,439 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't mean you can say anything you want to 1511 01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:46,040 Speaker 1: keep your job right, whether it's a person in the 1512 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,880 Speaker 1: media or just even a private citizen. Now, I don't 1513 01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,280 Speaker 1: like the fact that we now live in a society 1514 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:57,160 Speaker 1: where private conduct not associated with an employer can get 1515 01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,920 Speaker 1: you fired. I disagree with it in principle but not 1516 01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:04,959 Speaker 1: legally in practice, meaning that I can't begin to say 1517 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:10,639 Speaker 1: that a private entity, a company could um and she's 1518 01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,560 Speaker 1: she it says government contracting job. I assume she's a 1519 01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,720 Speaker 1: private sector employee who does work for the government. To 1520 01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,880 Speaker 1: some people do UM. But you know, a private entity 1521 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:27,559 Speaker 1: can still fire you for still for legal conduct. I 1522 01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,479 Speaker 1: wish we didn't live in a country where that was 1523 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,240 Speaker 1: the case now, but it is. It is because if 1524 01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:33,639 Speaker 1: we're going to live in a country where you can 1525 01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,920 Speaker 1: also be fired for using the wrong pronoun for someone, 1526 01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,000 Speaker 1: or if we live in a country where you can 1527 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:43,280 Speaker 1: be fired because you want to express your views on 1528 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,640 Speaker 1: any number of political issues, then we definitely live in 1529 01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,479 Speaker 1: a country where you're gonna get fired for going viral 1530 01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:55,280 Speaker 1: in making a profane, profane not profound, sorry, profane gesture 1531 01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,920 Speaker 1: at the president. And that's just the way that it is, 1532 01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,880 Speaker 1: um and that we will now have this routine of 1533 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,160 Speaker 1: the media going through the anti Trump martyrdom complex here 1534 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,679 Speaker 1: about oh, you know, she's just expressing herself and Trump. 1535 01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,320 Speaker 1: Could you imagine if someone had done the same thing 1536 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:19,840 Speaker 1: and gone viral with an Obama motor kaide, not only 1537 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,880 Speaker 1: would they be fired, I'd be worried about that person's really, 1538 01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,000 Speaker 1: I honestly would have been worried for that person's safety 1539 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:31,479 Speaker 1: because there were left wing loons out there who would 1540 01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,040 Speaker 1: have taken it upon themselves to get some sort of 1541 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,080 Speaker 1: justice for the Obama administration. So in this case, this 1542 01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:41,400 Speaker 1: woman decided to go and tell her employers she her 1543 01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:44,840 Speaker 1: face wasn't shown the photo. She told her employer that 1544 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,040 Speaker 1: she went viral, that this was her she was in 1545 01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:51,599 Speaker 1: Northern Virginia and they fired her. And now she's very 1546 01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:56,000 Speaker 1: upset and she says it's not right and it's not fair. Um, well, 1547 01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,759 Speaker 1: it may and it may be unfair in the sense 1548 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:04,879 Speaker 1: that if we lived in a country that wasn't punishing 1549 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:09,240 Speaker 1: people on a routine basis for their political opinions, that 1550 01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,160 Speaker 1: private employers weren't so politicized now and so afraid of 1551 01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,439 Speaker 1: boycotts and other pressure campaigns, then sure we could all 1552 01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,720 Speaker 1: be adults. But you see, the the issue is that 1553 01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,080 Speaker 1: we're not all being adults anymore, and we haven't been 1554 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,839 Speaker 1: for a while, meaning that we're not treated like adults. 1555 01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:32,120 Speaker 1: The doctrine of if I'm offended, you can't say that 1556 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:37,840 Speaker 1: has overtaken the academy media, uh, the law now in 1557 01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,360 Speaker 1: many ways. You know, you create a hostile workplace, a 1558 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,320 Speaker 1: hostile environment for somebody, and there can be problems for you. 1559 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Uh you. Free speech is increasingly a fiction as a concept. 1560 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,320 Speaker 1: Legally it still exists, but keep in mind that's once 1561 01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,040 Speaker 1: the culture changes, then the law has changed too. So 1562 01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,040 Speaker 1: I am very this is why the left is so 1563 01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:03,679 Speaker 1: obsessed with hate rhyme, legislation and policing speech and speech 1564 01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,679 Speaker 1: codes on campuses and finding different way you know, making 1565 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,040 Speaker 1: defamation of this is a big thing at the U 1566 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,040 Speaker 1: N too, and I know Canada and some other country 1567 01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,880 Speaker 1: UK defamation of religion, which they just mean, don't criticize Islam. 1568 01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,800 Speaker 1: That's what defamation that religion is all about. Uh, that's 1569 01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,120 Speaker 1: a big push because as I always tell you, you 1570 01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:25,400 Speaker 1: control the language, you control the debate, and that is 1571 01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:30,320 Speaker 1: a big effort on the left. Anyway, this woman got fired. Yep, 1572 01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,800 Speaker 1: that's what's gonna happen. Sometimes private companies don't want to 1573 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,920 Speaker 1: deal with the fallout. I wish that this were not 1574 01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,960 Speaker 1: the case, but it is the case, So there you 1575 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,760 Speaker 1: have it. I mean, I also wish the people weren't 1576 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,919 Speaker 1: such idiots that they would show disrespect to the president. 1577 01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:45,240 Speaker 1: But you know, we live in a free country, right 1578 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,080 Speaker 1: but freedom comes at a cost. Then this woman just 1579 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,000 Speaker 1: found out what that cost is. Many of you asked 1580 01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:57,160 Speaker 1: over the weekend for updates on producer Amy's wounded pup. Uh. 1581 01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,599 Speaker 1: He's actually not technically a puppy. He's a very large, 1582 01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,320 Speaker 1: full own dog. But Amy has told me that he 1583 01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,800 Speaker 1: is fine. He had to get some stitches and they 1584 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,440 Speaker 1: were a little worried about his eye. Um, but a 1585 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:16,280 Speaker 1: dog came after him attacked him, so it was it 1586 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,720 Speaker 1: was it was a dog attack against another dog. UM. 1587 01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:23,560 Speaker 1: And Amy was very worried about her about her pop, understandably, 1588 01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,120 Speaker 1: and so she took him to the hospital and that's 1589 01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:27,760 Speaker 1: why she was out on on Friday. But he's gonna 1590 01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:31,480 Speaker 1: be Kai is the dog's name. He's gonna be okay. 1591 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:34,320 Speaker 1: But we were very concerned, very concerned on Friday. I 1592 01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,519 Speaker 1: know any of my family. I have a few family 1593 01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:42,600 Speaker 1: members who have dogs, and they it's just like in 1594 01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,040 Speaker 1: such a centerpiece of the of the family and I 1595 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,040 Speaker 1: can't imagine. I mean, I don't want to think about it. 1596 01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:51,280 Speaker 1: They were very very upset at the notion of their dog. 1597 01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:53,160 Speaker 1: An think bad happening with the dog. So we're glad 1598 01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:54,840 Speaker 1: Amy's dog is okay. I just want to give you 1599 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:58,360 Speaker 1: that update. So last night I flew out here in California. 1600 01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:03,040 Speaker 1: I sometimes talked to you about ar lines because um, 1601 01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't like airlines, and I think that there's a 1602 01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,800 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of people will say things, well 1603 01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:12,120 Speaker 1: that's what the market will bear, and people want she played. Yeah, 1604 01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. A lot of regulations to 1605 01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,559 Speaker 1: a lot of government intervention, a lot, a lot of 1606 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,679 Speaker 1: nonsense going on, a lot of taking advantage of people, 1607 01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:21,400 Speaker 1: you know. I I think about how recently I had 1608 01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:28,000 Speaker 1: to deal with a an unscrupulous an unscrupulous person um 1609 01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:34,479 Speaker 1: that I had given money too, and that money was 1610 01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be given back to me, and I went 1611 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,800 Speaker 1: through the process of now figuring out, Okay, well i'll 1612 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,720 Speaker 1: win if I if I go it wasn't a lot 1613 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,799 Speaker 1: of money. Even I'll win if I go to court, 1614 01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,519 Speaker 1: but I don't want to have to go to court 1615 01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:49,200 Speaker 1: because it's pain and it would be small claims, and 1616 01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:52,040 Speaker 1: if it's small claims court, that also means that there's 1617 01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,680 Speaker 1: really no mechanism for enforcement for the judgment at the end. 1618 01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,160 Speaker 1: And so I had to just accept that this person 1619 01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,680 Speaker 1: who's done this before, I'm sure uh knew that he 1620 01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:08,120 Speaker 1: could just create frustration for me and my time is 1621 01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:12,280 Speaker 1: valuable to me and my sense of well being and 1622 01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:14,160 Speaker 1: focus on what I'm doing, and I want to focus 1623 01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:15,519 Speaker 1: on this show and what matters to be right. I 1624 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,679 Speaker 1: don't want to focus on some dispute with somebody who 1625 01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:24,720 Speaker 1: has in good faith and contractually agreed to pay me 1626 01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:30,280 Speaker 1: money and I'm sorry, give back money to me, give 1627 01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:33,719 Speaker 1: back money to me, and chose not to do so, 1628 01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:38,360 Speaker 1: and then said, well, I'll give you, you know, a 1629 01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,240 Speaker 1: third of it, and then it's a half of it, 1630 01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:43,360 Speaker 1: and then and and eventually it just turns into how 1631 01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:44,840 Speaker 1: much more of this do I want to deal with? 1632 01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:49,160 Speaker 1: But it's troubling because I go through life, and I 1633 01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:53,000 Speaker 1: know all of you listening do the same. I go 1634 01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:55,519 Speaker 1: through life where my my word is my bond and 1635 01:36:55,640 --> 01:37:00,360 Speaker 1: my handshake has has meaning, and I do right by people. 1636 01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe in a sense, I do right by people 1637 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:06,040 Speaker 1: because almost out of a selfishness, because I can't. I 1638 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:10,080 Speaker 1: can't feel good about myself if I lie to somebody 1639 01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:13,200 Speaker 1: or if I am dishonest with him. I can't sleep 1640 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:16,120 Speaker 1: well at night if I feel like I've cheated somebody 1641 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:21,240 Speaker 1: or or or I have cheated. So that's just you know, 1642 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,360 Speaker 1: there's a self interest in pardon me for you know, 1643 01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,240 Speaker 1: pardon me for I'm so humble. It's awesome, right, But 1644 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,080 Speaker 1: there's a self interest in virtue, or there's a self 1645 01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:34,360 Speaker 1: interest in honesty. And that's how I feel about these things. 1646 01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,760 Speaker 1: And so I pay my debts. I try to stay 1647 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,040 Speaker 1: out of debt, but I pay my debts, and I 1648 01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,640 Speaker 1: expect the same from others. And so when I go 1649 01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,720 Speaker 1: through the process of, oh, someone is just choosing to 1650 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,439 Speaker 1: be dishonest because they know that there will be a 1651 01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:49,960 Speaker 1: there will be a point at which it is no 1652 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:54,160 Speaker 1: longer worth my time and effort to chase their dishonesty down. Um, 1653 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:59,680 Speaker 1: and we'll just agree to essentially a settlement on their dishonesty. Then, Uh, 1654 01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,960 Speaker 1: it bothers me. It bothers me because I know there's 1655 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,000 Speaker 1: so many other people out there they're dealing with that, 1656 01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:05,960 Speaker 1: some of you listening, I'm sure dealing with And you 1657 01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,679 Speaker 1: can probably guess that when do you give somebody money 1658 01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:10,800 Speaker 1: and then they have to give money back to you, 1659 01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,320 Speaker 1: and you know, and they don't necessarily have to, and 1660 01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,439 Speaker 1: it's not a lot of money, and it's month the month, 1661 01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,360 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, you get you can probably figure 1662 01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:18,680 Speaker 1: out the situation. But I just don't want to get 1663 01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:22,479 Speaker 1: into the details of it. But you know, there are 1664 01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,720 Speaker 1: some people who are in a situation like what I'm 1665 01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,920 Speaker 1: talking about, but it's money they really need, you know, 1666 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,799 Speaker 1: it's the money they need for their for their mortgage 1667 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,400 Speaker 1: or for that car that they need to buy or 1668 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:36,840 Speaker 1: for and there is a sense of a helplessness that 1669 01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:41,679 Speaker 1: you have when others are dishonest. There are mechanisms in place, 1670 01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:46,240 Speaker 1: there are processes, and you can seek redress. But as 1671 01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:49,679 Speaker 1: somebody who has a lawyer in the family, my consult 1672 01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:54,759 Speaker 1: whenever I need to, uh, those are not good systems. 1673 01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,439 Speaker 1: You will be very disappointed, and you generally want to avoid. 1674 01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,080 Speaker 1: First of all, here's a tip for those you're listening. 1675 01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,559 Speaker 1: You generally want to avoid bringing lawyers into anything if 1676 01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,160 Speaker 1: you can avoid it. I'm just saying, And any of 1677 01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:09,559 Speaker 1: your friends who are lawyers, if you're at the oh yeah, yeah, 1678 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, the probably the second fastest way to go 1679 01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:17,719 Speaker 1: bankrupt after a nasty divorce is getting involved in extended litigation. Um, 1680 01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,519 Speaker 1: so you don't you don't want to do that. You 1681 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,880 Speaker 1: want to stay away from you except for all the 1682 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,040 Speaker 1: great lawyers listening that I'm gonna need at some point 1683 01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:26,760 Speaker 1: to help me with, you know, negotiations or whatever. But 1684 01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:29,519 Speaker 1: you you want to avoid lawyers if you can, because 1685 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:33,320 Speaker 1: it's very expensive. That's just a fact. And the processes 1686 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:36,479 Speaker 1: of setting right what has been done, what is how 1687 01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:39,200 Speaker 1: you have been wronged is very expensive as well. So 1688 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,679 Speaker 1: it's just it was, and it was an entry experience 1689 01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,400 Speaker 1: that I went through recently. I was thinking about giving 1690 01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:45,840 Speaker 1: you updates on it as I went not because I 1691 01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,360 Speaker 1: I want to just share aspects of my life with 1692 01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,120 Speaker 1: you that you may or may not find you know, amusing, 1693 01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,799 Speaker 1: you may be sympathetic, you may have double with something yourself, 1694 01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,439 Speaker 1: but just it influences the way I think about a lot, 1695 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,519 Speaker 1: especially as a conservative. I think because as we have 1696 01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,600 Speaker 1: a decency and a sense of fair play at the 1697 01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,639 Speaker 1: core of our philosophy, it is off putting. We can 1698 01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:12,400 Speaker 1: almost be a bit naive. Um, and I'm speaking in 1699 01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,320 Speaker 1: very general terms, and you may be like buck, I'm 1700 01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a shark man. You can't you can't 1701 01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,000 Speaker 1: catch me on you can't catch me napping. Fine, but 1702 01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, I go through life thinking that someone shakes 1703 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:23,800 Speaker 1: my hand and says this is how it's going to 1704 01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:26,680 Speaker 1: be until they prove otherwise. That's how I assume it's 1705 01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,720 Speaker 1: going to be right. I mean, that's my inclination is 1706 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,719 Speaker 1: to is to act with honor and to give others 1707 01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,559 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt when it comes to issues 1708 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:39,760 Speaker 1: and and and propositions of honor, and when that is 1709 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:43,160 Speaker 1: gone or when that has been taken advantage of, it's 1710 01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,519 Speaker 1: it really six with you. This was in fact an 1711 01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,080 Speaker 1: issue where it was the principle of the thing. The 1712 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,599 Speaker 1: money I didn't actually care about. The money didn't really. 1713 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I care, right, but it didn't. 1714 01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna be sitting around lighting my 1715 01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:57,920 Speaker 1: lighting my Cuban cigars with a hundred dollar bills because 1716 01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,479 Speaker 1: of this, right anyway, it was but it was the 1717 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:02,280 Speaker 1: principle thing, and it was somebody being dishonest, and and 1718 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,280 Speaker 1: there was no question and the dishonesty it was just 1719 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,360 Speaker 1: and and I think both parties understood there was dishonesty. 1720 01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:09,080 Speaker 1: I knew he was being dishonest. He knew I knew 1721 01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,080 Speaker 1: he was being dishonest. But what am I gonna do. 1722 01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna go to court, You're gonna figure this all out, okay, 1723 01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,920 Speaker 1: So instead I took a thing. So that's just one 1724 01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:18,800 Speaker 1: example of where I feel like the one that the 1725 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:23,599 Speaker 1: conservative impulse, the philosophical conservative impulses too. Yes, I know, 1726 01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,799 Speaker 1: contract law and contracts with the basis for civilized society, 1727 01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,760 Speaker 1: but also to act with honor and to expect honor 1728 01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,400 Speaker 1: from others when you may not get it, and that 1729 01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,280 Speaker 1: can be troubling. Um. And then on the other side 1730 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,559 Speaker 1: of it too, we also tend to believe all the 1731 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,519 Speaker 1: market will fix it. In theory, yes, in a perfect world, 1732 01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,840 Speaker 1: in a perfect environment, the market will deal with things right, 1733 01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:48,840 Speaker 1: but not always, meaning that there are circumstances. You know, 1734 01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,400 Speaker 1: if you fly into some town as an out of 1735 01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,559 Speaker 1: towner and you go to a restaurant and the restaurant 1736 01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:58,439 Speaker 1: treats you really, really badly. I mean, they spit in 1737 01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:02,559 Speaker 1: your food, they you know, you know, you know, we 1738 01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,400 Speaker 1: don't like you here, sir, you should leave, you know whatever, right, 1739 01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you get treated really badly, you can write 1740 01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,240 Speaker 1: a nasty out review and you can hope that their 1741 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,840 Speaker 1: treatment of other people like that will result in the 1742 01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,320 Speaker 1: restaurant getting less business and will close down the future everything. 1743 01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,000 Speaker 1: But actually, you just had your night ruined and probably 1744 01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,519 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen at the restaurant. That's reality. We'd like 1745 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,560 Speaker 1: to tell ourselves that there are mechanisms in place, and 1746 01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, the market will speak and well, yeah, but no, 1747 01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,880 Speaker 1: you probably just your and I just got ruined to 1748 01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:32,400 Speaker 1: this restaurant, but that doesn't mean anything. And that's the 1749 01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,320 Speaker 1: way I feel about airlines. There is a long way 1750 01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,120 Speaker 1: of talking about how I feel about airlines, which is 1751 01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:39,959 Speaker 1: that sure, in the aggregate, over time, they may respond 1752 01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:46,040 Speaker 1: to um revolts among passengers, and if there's really bad 1753 01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,400 Speaker 1: bad press for them there maybe you know, when they 1754 01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:51,519 Speaker 1: like drag somebody who's paid for a seat off a 1755 01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,360 Speaker 1: plane and abuses them and everything. I mean, then there 1756 01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:58,080 Speaker 1: might be redressed. But by and large, airlines are the 1757 01:42:58,120 --> 01:43:02,760 Speaker 1: equivalent of the person that you know has agreed to 1758 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,280 Speaker 1: has agreed to do something for you, and then doesn't 1759 01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,559 Speaker 1: do it, and then you're like, well what do I 1760 01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,640 Speaker 1: do now? And I know they're like, oh, we have 1761 01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, carriage contracts and you have to read the 1762 01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:17,400 Speaker 1: fine print and everything. But but let's be realistic. That's 1763 01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,920 Speaker 1: not how it works, right. I mean, you work with 1764 01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:23,000 Speaker 1: the airline, you fly the airlines you have, you know, 1765 01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,720 Speaker 1: it's not really there's not really another option out there 1766 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,920 Speaker 1: for us, and especially for work. Many of us are 1767 01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:30,760 Speaker 1: expecting to go places. And so for example, last night, 1768 01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,760 Speaker 1: when when I'm flying Virgin Airlines, which I usually think 1769 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,439 Speaker 1: it was a good airline, and they decide right before 1770 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:40,519 Speaker 1: we take off that we're just gonna make another stop. 1771 01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:43,160 Speaker 1: Oh wait, but we all paid for the whole it's 1772 01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:45,479 Speaker 1: a full flight, right, like two people in this flight. 1773 01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,920 Speaker 1: We we all paid for a direct flight. But now 1774 01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:50,920 Speaker 1: we're gonna make a stop. Do you know what our 1775 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:54,920 Speaker 1: addresses in that situation? That addresses zero? And it just 1776 01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:59,240 Speaker 1: meant that the the equivalent of some someone who's looking 1777 01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,519 Speaker 1: to maximize offense, and Virgin is like, you know what, 1778 01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:04,479 Speaker 1: we're gonna We're not gonna take on more fuel here, 1779 01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna stop in another city. And it added about 1780 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,640 Speaker 1: three hours. So there were two hundred people last night 1781 01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:13,080 Speaker 1: who had three hours of their time and and not 1782 01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:15,400 Speaker 1: just stolen from them, but put through three hours of 1783 01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:17,439 Speaker 1: you know, you're on a plane for quite a while. 1784 01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,599 Speaker 1: It's uncomfortable, it's annoying. Um, you know, I was back 1785 01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,080 Speaker 1: and coach because that's how I roll, and it was 1786 01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:27,120 Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. And it just I realized, you know, the 1787 01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,320 Speaker 1: could I could bring a conservative econosce on it would 1788 01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,559 Speaker 1: tell me, well, it's very people are more priced sense 1789 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:33,800 Speaker 1: that are than comfort sense that I haven't. I understand 1790 01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:37,760 Speaker 1: all the arguments, but ultimately, Virgin airlines just stole three 1791 01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,679 Speaker 1: hours from hundreds of people because they could and because 1792 01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:45,360 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna happen to them. That's it that people can 1793 01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,200 Speaker 1: give me the other. But in the long run, there 1794 01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:51,120 Speaker 1: and and airlines are are fantastic. And this is what 1795 01:44:51,160 --> 01:44:52,840 Speaker 1: I really want you to take from my little renting. 1796 01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:56,880 Speaker 1: Airlines are a fantastic teaching tool for what it would 1797 01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,840 Speaker 1: be like if government was in control of as much 1798 01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:04,760 Speaker 1: a as Democrats want them to be. Airlines are are 1799 01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:11,479 Speaker 1: a great real life introduction to full on state is um. 1800 01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,200 Speaker 1: The explanations for things don't make sense. They tell you 1801 01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:18,519 Speaker 1: what to do. It's expensive, it's uncomfortable. You have no rights, 1802 01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:25,640 Speaker 1: you have no redress. You are disin your discomfortent discomfited 1803 01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:27,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's not the right word. You are put out. 1804 01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,120 Speaker 1: You are uncomfortable and annoyed at angry, and you have 1805 01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,400 Speaker 1: nothing you can do about it. You can you can 1806 01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:34,400 Speaker 1: wind and no one cares, and if you wint too much, 1807 01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,800 Speaker 1: they kick you off the flight. It's like state is um. 1808 01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,040 Speaker 1: It's like going into a government office where they get 1809 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,960 Speaker 1: paid no matter what. They don't care and yeah, they're 1810 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,600 Speaker 1: supposed to fix your problem, but they're not going to 1811 01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:46,960 Speaker 1: didn't you read the fine print? What are you gonna 1812 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:49,960 Speaker 1: do now? That was very It was very disappointed last 1813 01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,120 Speaker 1: night with where I usually think of them as being 1814 01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:54,680 Speaker 1: a pretty good airline. It was really, Um, I was 1815 01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:57,240 Speaker 1: shocked at just how inept the whole thing was. Really, 1816 01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna just like there's no, it's not a weather problem. 1817 01:46:00,479 --> 01:46:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a reasonable guy, right, if there's thunderstorms 1818 01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,400 Speaker 1: or thunderstorms, you know, the plane has a mechanical problems. 1819 01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:07,200 Speaker 1: Got a mechanical problem. This was a plant, This was 1820 01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:09,200 Speaker 1: just a planning thing. Oh no, we're just gonna yeah, 1821 01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:12,160 Speaker 1: three hours. Sorry, we're gonna take on fuel there because 1822 01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:16,160 Speaker 1: it's better for our schedule. Oh okay, well in that case, 1823 01:46:17,040 --> 01:46:20,400 Speaker 1: that's great. Um. And it really is. Uh, it's like 1824 01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:24,160 Speaker 1: the guy who wouldn't get me back my money. Theoretically, sure, 1825 01:46:24,240 --> 01:46:26,479 Speaker 1: we could all revolt and say it's a terrible airline, 1826 01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:29,160 Speaker 1: and right the help reviews and and trash them publicly 1827 01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:30,599 Speaker 1: for this thing. But I mean we all just want 1828 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:33,200 Speaker 1: to go home and live our lives, right, So ultimately 1829 01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:35,400 Speaker 1: they get away with it, just like the guy who 1830 01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:37,920 Speaker 1: won't give me my money gets away with it. And 1831 01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:40,599 Speaker 1: as somebody who as I said, operates from a place 1832 01:46:40,640 --> 01:46:45,599 Speaker 1: of honor, integrity, and truth. I really dislike it, which 1833 01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,200 Speaker 1: is why I why I just like airlines. But I 1834 01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,880 Speaker 1: will also say it's why I think the airlines are 1835 01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,080 Speaker 1: a fantastic teaching tool. Between the whole t s a 1836 01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,400 Speaker 1: experience and the airlines all on one, you're like, oh, 1837 01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:57,160 Speaker 1: so this is what it would be like if we 1838 01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:01,160 Speaker 1: lived in a full on status America. This is what 1839 01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,360 Speaker 1: it would kind of feel like day in and day out. 1840 01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:11,320 Speaker 1: Just frustration and orders and feckless waste rols, just bureaucrats 1841 01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,320 Speaker 1: that don't do anything telling you, Yeah, that's the way 1842 01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:19,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. Oh okay, I see, I see how 1843 01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,040 Speaker 1: it is now. Airlines man the best, the best teaching 1844 01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:30,120 Speaker 1: tool for a totalitarian society. I I mentioned it before, 1845 01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,120 Speaker 1: of and and it's really a visual so it doesn't 1846 01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:36,680 Speaker 1: translate into radio. But earlier today CNN did this thing 1847 01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:40,920 Speaker 1: where you had Prime Minister Abe of Japan and Donald 1848 01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:44,439 Speaker 1: Trump and they're they're feeding there a shrine I believe, 1849 01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,640 Speaker 1: and they're they're feeding carp and there it's rice. And 1850 01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,880 Speaker 1: I don't know the background of the ritual, but hey, 1851 01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,679 Speaker 1: it's like a nice ritual. Thing that the two premiers 1852 01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,200 Speaker 1: are doing together. And they start out kind of sprinkling, 1853 01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:57,760 Speaker 1: sprinkling some rice over the Koi pond Coi being a 1854 01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:04,880 Speaker 1: breed of carp and Millie Wouke, which means the good Land, uh, 1855 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:09,679 Speaker 1: And they are sprinkling the rice out, and then Trump 1856 01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,000 Speaker 1: kind of does this thing where he's like all right, 1857 01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,559 Speaker 1: and they zoom in on him and you see him 1858 01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,840 Speaker 1: flip over the rice bowl and pour it all out, 1859 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,360 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm done here, I'm done with the rice. 1860 01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:20,720 Speaker 1: And the media made this whole thing of it, and 1861 01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,400 Speaker 1: sure enough there was a there was video of of 1862 01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,439 Speaker 1: both of them and all they did it. First he 1863 01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:27,000 Speaker 1: flipped the whole thing over. He's like, all right, I've 1864 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,840 Speaker 1: had enough, right, and then Trump's like, yeah right, and 1865 01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:30,840 Speaker 1: I've had enough to boom, you know, and it was 1866 01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,080 Speaker 1: all over. But they made something out of that, and 1867 01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,400 Speaker 1: it's just a perfect example of why you would be 1868 01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:43,160 Speaker 1: it would be foolish and naive to approach the anti 1869 01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:47,160 Speaker 1: Trump resistance left wing media, however we choose to describe them, 1870 01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,600 Speaker 1: to approach them without skepticism. You must approach them the 1871 01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:53,840 Speaker 1: skepticism because these errors that they make come from a 1872 01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:58,360 Speaker 1: place of ideology, not from a place of good faith mistake. 1873 01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:02,640 Speaker 1: And I just thought that this was yet yet another 1874 01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:07,679 Speaker 1: example of how do they make that mistake? They zoom 1875 01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:09,920 Speaker 1: in on Trump? Did they really not know that Abe 1876 01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,280 Speaker 1: was there? That it just I don't know. I want 1877 01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,599 Speaker 1: someone to explain that one to me. How that's how 1878 01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:20,599 Speaker 1: that is an error that happens um anyway. And it did. 1879 01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,759 Speaker 1: But there's also some of the media who are beginning 1880 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:27,040 Speaker 1: to do their own version of let's have a discussion, 1881 01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,880 Speaker 1: let's talk about how trustworthy the media is. And this 1882 01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,080 Speaker 1: was a great, a great moment in fake News. You 1883 01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:39,639 Speaker 1: had Savannah Guthrie of NBC who is saying the media 1884 01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,720 Speaker 1: makes some mistakes and then she turns to a just 1885 01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:47,800 Speaker 1: a fantastic source for media trustworthiness Play seventeen. No one 1886 01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,400 Speaker 1: will be surprised that you have an impassioned defense of 1887 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:52,880 Speaker 1: a free press in the book. And I mean, there's 1888 01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:55,840 Speaker 1: a recent poll that said nearly half people think the 1889 01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:59,719 Speaker 1: media makeup stories and that the media itself is under 1890 01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:01,880 Speaker 1: five air. And what do you think the media needs 1891 01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:04,519 Speaker 1: to do better to enhance its own credibility and what 1892 01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,600 Speaker 1: do people need to understand about the value of the 1893 01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,240 Speaker 1: first of us, those of us who are in the media. 1894 01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,360 Speaker 1: I prefer the word pressed, because we get free from 1895 01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:15,200 Speaker 1: the press. Let's set that aside alright, alright, in case 1896 01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:17,040 Speaker 1: you didn't know, it doesn't matter what he says. Really 1897 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:21,400 Speaker 1: we can that voice. I know because I interned for 1898 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,479 Speaker 1: that voice a very very long time ago. I was eighteen, gosh, 1899 01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:28,000 Speaker 1: almost twenty years ago. Now that voice belongs to Dan Rather, 1900 01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:32,400 Speaker 1: was in the media or you know, it was very 1901 01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:35,559 Speaker 1: important for us to continue to think that this is 1902 01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:39,320 Speaker 1: just a theatrical exercise where we sound trustworthy. But Dan 1903 01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:44,160 Speaker 1: Rather is being asked by a highly overpaid NBC TV 1904 01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:48,400 Speaker 1: host what we can do to be or what the 1905 01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,040 Speaker 1: media can do to be more trustworthy and more fact based. 1906 01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:59,679 Speaker 1: She's asking Dan Rather as if the guy who ran 1907 01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,880 Speaker 1: with forged documents and at the time was one of 1908 01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:04,960 Speaker 1: the biggest media figures in the country, one of the 1909 01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,360 Speaker 1: biggest news media figures in the country, forged documents to 1910 01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:11,680 Speaker 1: throw a presidential election, and they will turn to him 1911 01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:17,400 Speaker 1: in seriousness and ask about media credibility and bias and 1912 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:21,280 Speaker 1: honesty and big j journalism. I mean, they made a 1913 01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:25,760 Speaker 1: movie about this guy called The Truth That is a Lie, 1914 01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:30,520 Speaker 1: and like this envy Savannah Guthrie, I've got an idea. 1915 01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,800 Speaker 1: How about you don't ask Dan Rather how to make 1916 01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,120 Speaker 1: you more unbiased? All right, Shield Tay, I gotta close 1917 01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:39,040 Speaker 1: it out from the Hoover Institute here today, Shield till 1918 01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:39,479 Speaker 1: everybody