1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You should press your face against a hot stove. It's 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: one more thing. 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: I look forward to, whatever that is. But before we 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: get to it, I was listening to NPR driving to 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: work today. What does it always say about listening to NPR. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 3: I do that to punish myself for the bad things 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 3: I've done. 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: It's like, whatever the devout Catholics are who whip themselves 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: with the beads to make themselves guys. Yeah, yeah, that's what. 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 2: That's what listening to NPR is if you don't like it. 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: But anyway, they were doing a story about how orchestras, 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: classical music orchestras are struggling all around the country in 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: various cities. Are just people Millennials are killing orchestras like 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: millennials killed China and bedspreads. People just aren't as interests. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: People just aren't as interested in going to see live 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: classical music at their local venue anymore. And they talked 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: on NPR as if this is something that needs to 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: always exist. Of course, so let's just get to the 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: how do we support it? Part? And I was thinking, 20 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: and the reason I wanted to ask joke is because 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: Joe's actually a classical music fan. I am not. Do 22 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 2: you think it's something that needs to continue or is 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: it like any other music it comes and goes. I mean, 24 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of jazz, but like going back 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: to the early twentieth century, ragtime was the biggest thing 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: in the country for like thirty years. I mean, it 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: was the number one music absolutely everywhere. Then it disappeared. 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, things come and go. Is now classical music 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: has been around for much longer than thirty years. But 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: is this a crisis if people just aren't interested in 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: hearing classical music from their local orchestra. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, boy, the thing I teased 33 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: will do another day, because you have opened a can 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: of verms, okay, which is almost classical music. 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: Joke there. 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: Wow, that is a great, great question. We were recording 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: this shortly after we wrapped up the radio show for 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: the day, in which we were discussing Chesterton's fence, the 39 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: idea that you don't remove a fence until you know 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: one why that fence was there. It's one of the 41 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: tenets of conservatism and how a lot of standards of 42 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: decency and manners and all sorts of stuff have eroded 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: in society and a lot of those customs might not 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: have been that it wasn't clear why they were important. 45 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: But as they evaporate, you see more and more bad 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: behavior of all sorts of kind. It's like the broken 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: windows policing. Rudy Giuliani advocated, an end of decency in 48 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: a few of these realms will usher in an end 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: of decency in this realm, which is not getting your 50 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: head caved in for your stuff. And it's not always 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: easy to draw a line how you got from one 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: place to another, but that's, you know, that's the principle 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: that we were discussing. I think, and I haven't really 54 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: thought about this much because it's a really good question. 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: I think this might be the other side of that 56 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: same coin. There is value in preserving the most important 57 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: and exquisite art forms. 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: Whether I can tell you exactly why or not. 59 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: Do you agree to that to the point that you 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: think taxpayers should keep orchestras going in cities, even if people, 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: even if there's not enough money in it, not enough 62 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: people are interested to go and make it self supporting. 63 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 64 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: Yes, And these traxes should be taken from Rubes by 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: force if necessary. 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: The sort of route it's going to buy the Haktua 67 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: Girl's latest album and a T shirt. 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I love this question, because it's 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: causing me to go up against some of my beliefs 70 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 1: about taxation and government and that sort of thing. 71 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: You seem to have a comment. 72 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: Oh, classical music. 73 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: I used to listen to it when I was studying 74 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: growing up, and because I'm one of those people where 75 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 4: I always have music on and I because silence makes 76 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 4: me uncomfortable, so I always have something going on in 77 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: the background. 78 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: Do you have ADD or ADHD, either one of those. Yeah. Yeah, 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: So people that have that, because I've got a friend 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: who got their PhD has ADD, they have to have 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: music on in the background or they can't concentrate. I'm 82 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: the opposite most of the time. I want it silent, 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: fun in a concentrate, but I don't have ADD. 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: Ninety seven and a half percent of the time I 85 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: was studying in high school and college A had music going. 86 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent certain I would have gotten diagnosed 87 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: in elementary school one hundred percent. 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: Anyway, getting back to the classical music thing. 89 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: I'm on an I SI classical music. By the way, 90 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: I'm just not a fan. I don't know seek it 91 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: out or listen to it regularly. 92 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: Oh sure, no, Well this is again for like the 93 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: fourth time. This is a great question that goes to 94 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: the role of government and taxation and the rest of it. 95 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: I think if you. 96 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: Openly make that part of your platform, that if we 97 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: all kick in a tiny bit, we can have this 98 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: really great stuff because just in the current economy of 99 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: entertainment and art, it's very difficult for classical music to 100 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: be self sustaining because it is so expensive to produce live. 101 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 2: Oh sure, god yeah, I have never even thought about that. 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: If horn sections have gone away from bands over the years, 103 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 2: because there's no way you can have a band that 104 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: plays that pays you know, four horn players, Well then 105 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: how about one hundred people with twenty you know, violin 106 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: players or whatever. Of course that doesn't work out money. 107 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: But I'm always talking about how, you know, the the 108 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: generations die off, and then there won't be anybody who 109 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: even remembers the past with a variety of things. I 110 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: always talk about customer service or whatever. Well, I'll bet 111 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: a lot of your wealthy, older patrons who cared about 112 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: classical music are dying off, and your next group of 113 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: rich people they don't care about classical music, so that's 114 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: not what they're giving money. 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: Too, right, Yeah, yeah, and so I guess you know, 116 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: my answer would be the same as any other government 117 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: policy that costs any money, if you are open about, hey, 118 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: we're dedicating this amount of the budget to this stuff 119 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: because we think it's important for these reasons. And then 120 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: you stand for election the next time, and and or 121 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: you hear from your constituents so much this is a 122 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: waste of taxpayer money. 123 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: You got to stop. 124 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: I'd rather give it to the you know, the school 125 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: lunch program or whatever. That's a legitimate function of democracy. 126 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: I would like to see it continue because I think 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: it is the the highest form of musical creativity. It's 128 00:06:52,680 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: and it takes effort to get it, but it's it's 129 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: like the difference between a mud hut. 130 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: And that was a condescending comment that insinuates that if 131 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: people don't like classical music, they're just not trying hard 132 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: enough or unwilling to put in the effort. That's what 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: you were saying. 134 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 3: No, I wasn't not at all. No. 135 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: No, It's like no, no, And that was an insulting, 136 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: an idiotic thing to say. 137 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: Your turn, Who. 138 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 2: Do you like better Batch or beef ovene. 139 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: You are a subhuman and I would like to see 140 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: you plead Batch clearly. 141 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: No, I'm a Beethoven guy. No. 142 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: What I was trying to say is appreciating classical music 143 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: is a lot like appreciating a skyscraper. I was about 144 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: to say, classical music is to other forms of music 145 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: as like a woodshack is to a skyscraper, in that 146 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: a guy like me has to be like led along 147 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: by an architect or an engineer to understand how astonishing 148 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: skyscraper is. 149 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: It's a tall building. You just pot one floor on 150 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: top of the other. You know, I would say, because 151 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: I don't really understand that stuff. If you get a 152 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 4: little tutorial in classical music and learn to appreciate it, 153 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 4: it's amazing, but it takes effort. 154 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm with lou Reed one chords, All you need two 155 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: is okay? Three year into jazz. 156 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: I will. 157 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: I've always loved that saying, and I will also for 158 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: what it's worth. Many times when I'm feeling I need 159 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: to get my rock on, I'll throw on the Sex Pistols. 160 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Never mind the Bullocks. It's one of my favorite albums. 161 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: But you know, should should it be supported by taxpayers. 162 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: It's up to the taxpayers, clearly. 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: Or I guess the bigger crime question is is it 164 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: a like a real cultural crime to have it go 165 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: away because it's not as popular anymore? 166 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: You vote, Yeah, there's there's one point so obvious. I 167 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: almost skipped over it. But the recordings exist, and the 168 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: scores exist, and the video exists, and so it's not 169 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: as good as live. But somebody could, certainly if they 170 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: were running against me, Joe the orchestra fan running for 171 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: mayor versus Jack, this is a waste of money fan, 172 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: you could absolutely make the case that. Look, if you're 173 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: into Beethoven, there's exquisite surround sound four K videos of 174 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: the Berlin Philharmonic playing him ten years ago. That's good enough. 175 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: We need money for other stuff. 176 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: And then the people go to the polls and they vote. 177 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: Man, I've never been in like an orchestra with like 178 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 2: many violins or anything like that, but I played in 179 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: you know, like high school band sort of orchestra, and man, 180 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: you get everybody playing a piece and everything like that live, 181 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: just sitting in it as the trumpet player. It's awesome. Yeah, 182 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: I mean the way just there's no speaker system that 183 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: can replicate that. 184 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some really good spatial sound production, like surround sound, 185 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: where you get a sense of all, right, this sound 186 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: is coming from that direction, this one's coming from the 187 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: other one. It's difficult to simulate what it's like to 188 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: be in a symphony hall hearing that, but. 189 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: It's pretty good. 190 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it moves the air the same 191 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 2: way the banging a drum, a timpany or a tuba. 192 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: Or whatever, but I don't know, right, And the there's 193 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: a certain breathlessness you get when they go full pianismo, 194 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 1: which means the quietest quiet, when you go from Beethoven's 195 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: full bomb bast down to everybody's afraid to breathe because 196 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: it's one violin playing something exquisitely soft. It's incredibly dramatic. 197 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: But again, let the taxpayers aside. 198 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, yes, Michael. 199 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: Now I was going to share a very special classical 200 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: piece of music. Do you remember or this? 201 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: I know where this is going? Hit it? Yeah, a 202 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: fifth of Beethoven Disco Beethoven Man, when everything had to 203 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: be disco. I like this. Oh it's cool. 204 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:31,479 Speaker 1: So I don't believe in snobbery. I don't like snobbery. 205 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: I try never to be a snob. I might appreciate 206 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: certain things more less than you do. I try not 207 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: to be a snob. Do me a favor. If you say, hey, 208 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: Joe's coming over, why don't we put on some classical music, 209 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: and you throw on the opening movement of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony, 210 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm walking out. Okay, okay, it's the You like Zeppelin. 211 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: I like Zeppelin. You know Stairway to Heaven. Yes, I know, 212 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: Staring Heaven. Yeah, they're the best band ever. Stairway to 213 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: Heaven's a great song. 214 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: I know it is. Yeah. Yeah. 215 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 2: You say you don't like to be a snob. 216 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would never call anybody on it. I 217 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: would not because that would be being a dick. 218 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.