Speaker 1: Hi guys, this is Teddy Mellencamp and I'm joined by
Speaker 1: my friend Emily Simpson for our new spin off show
Speaker 1: Popping Off, where we are digging deep on this season
Speaker 1: of Banner Pump Rules. Hi guys, welcome to another episode
Speaker 1: of Popping Off with myself Teddy Mellencamp. Emily Simpson has
Speaker 1: severe fomo right now because she is on vacation with
Speaker 1: her family and one of our favorite douche lords to
Speaker 1: speak about is with us in studio right now. We've
Speaker 1: got Jesse Lally and he's actually trying to pick a
Speaker 1: fight with me already.
Speaker 2: I know. Well, you went way down into like the
Speaker 2: hidden requests, sliding into the DMA, and then I follow
Speaker 2: you and you don't follow me back.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to follow you back until I
Speaker 3: see if you do a good interview.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, because here's this thing. You tagged me twice
Speaker 2: today on stories and I had to repost them.
Speaker 3: Well you didn't have to repost them.
Speaker 2: I mean I thought I would that we could have
Speaker 2: thought about that if I didn't.
Speaker 1: So, oh, I never am going to make you repost.
Speaker 1: I'm actually just how many fallo or did you get
Speaker 1: from me? Tagging you today.
Speaker 2: I haven't checked. I asked my social media manager over
Speaker 2: there if he can, Ben, how are we doing? Tim?
Speaker 2: But it's okay, is it Tim? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Shit on the message.
Speaker 2: No, that's my manager. It's okay. You're catching up. It's okay,
Speaker 2: it's your first time.
Speaker 3: I guess you know what I didn't. You know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't book the interviews. But I'm happy that you're here.
Speaker 2: I thought you did because you slid into my d
Speaker 2: MS and said you wanted me on here.
Speaker 3: I hate to be the bear of bad news. It
Speaker 3: was actually Matt, that's.
Speaker 2: Amazing. So that's my stocker.
Speaker 3: Then that's really into you.
Speaker 1: He he found your trim spall photos and was like,
Speaker 1: look how hot Jesse was.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you found that like test shoot
Speaker 2: picture that you posted that.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the test shoot photo because you had a middle
Speaker 1: name you used to use, so it was a little tricky.
Speaker 3: Finding that one.
Speaker 2: I didn't used to use it. It's my actual middle
Speaker 2: name that's on my IDs.
Speaker 3: Oh so what is it? Jesse?
Speaker 2: Eric? And see close close?
Speaker 1: Okay, so before we get into anything about the valley,
Speaker 1: you were in a trim spa ad.
Speaker 2: I was Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you hook up with her.
Speaker 2: For a year or two? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Hold on, did we know this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean the other one, you and
Speaker 2: matter Stocking me you should know.
Speaker 3: Oh my, this is amazing. Okay, for a year or two.
Speaker 3: When you say hooking up, does that.
Speaker 2: Mean I would come to LA and she'd be in
Speaker 2: New York every once in a while. But the story
Speaker 2: was interesting. We were shooting in Miami.
Speaker 3: What year it was this two thousand and two maybe two?
Speaker 3: Is this before the Anna Nicole Show?
Speaker 2: It was after? It was when she lost all the
Speaker 2: way for trimp She was doing trim Spa and lost
Speaker 2: all the weight and it was a pretty It was
Speaker 2: a pretty big campaign.
Speaker 3: So she was already making bad decisions. You've been one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I might have been the
Speaker 2: light sort of guiding her.
Speaker 3: Were you during Howard Stern? Wasn't that the lawyer's name?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I met Howard there where. I flew to Miami
Speaker 2: to do the shoot and the first time I met her.
Speaker 2: The first layout was an old James Dean Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 2: photo where Marilyn's naked on a mattress and James Dean
Speaker 2: has like jeans and no shirt on in front of her,
Speaker 2: and I literally walked over with no shirt on, sat down.
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, I'm in a nicole and I'm like,
Speaker 2: nice to meet you. And then then we moved out
Speaker 2: to the beach and I grabbed her and I pulled
Speaker 2: her down into the water and we were shooting with
Speaker 2: Antoine Veraglass, famous fashion photographer, and everybody was so pissed
Speaker 2: because she was you know, her hair was wet, or eyelashes,
Speaker 2: all that stuff, and it ended up being what they
Speaker 2: ended up using.
Speaker 1: So you are pretty much the reason behind how great
Speaker 1: those trim sauce photos.
Speaker 2: I mean, I had a little bit to do with it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, and now we're walking back. It's freezing cold
Speaker 2: in Miami at nighttime, and we're walking back to the
Speaker 2: set and she's like, oh my god, we're all like
Speaker 2: wrapped in towels and she's like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: hope I don't get sick. And I'm like, I have
Speaker 2: a ton of supplements and vitamins and stuff in my room.
Speaker 2: And I was literally in my room that night.
Speaker 1: If that's a line that's your go to, you know what,
Speaker 1: I have a ton of supplements about.
Speaker 2: I wish I was still taking them because at this
Speaker 2: point I'm just aging rapidly and going gray as as
Speaker 2: quick as possible. But yeah, she called me that I
Speaker 2: was having a bottle of wine in the room and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I can come up to the room.
Speaker 2: And it was funny. We did a couple's massage and
Speaker 2: she was like, before the two massage therapists showed up,
Speaker 2: she was like, let's let's kind of with them a
Speaker 2: little bit. So we were like going back and forth,
Speaker 2: making jokes, talking like you know, trying to see if
Speaker 2: something would come out. And this is way before social media,
Speaker 2: and it was just fun. We just had that like relationship.
Speaker 2: We were just kind of like two little kids messing
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a juicy nugget that I wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to get, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I loved Anna Nicole, loved the Antonicole show.
Speaker 2: I was so sweet. She actually that night, or the
Speaker 2: massage night, we took a ton of like behind the
Speaker 2: scenes photos and she had her I don't I don't
Speaker 2: have them. She had her assistant go through, but I
Speaker 2: will tell you one of the photos that we took,
Speaker 2: my brother had just come back from Iraq or he
Speaker 2: was coming back in the next week his first tour
Speaker 2: in Iraq, and she had her assistant go in the
Speaker 2: morning and print out a huge picture of the two
Speaker 2: of us and she signed it for my brother like
Speaker 2: welcome home.
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice. Yeah, well this is this is a
Speaker 3: good story.
Speaker 1: But this also tells me that both you and Michelle
Speaker 1: have a history of taking pictures for celebrities.
Speaker 2: I think that was actually the first and only celebrity
Speaker 2: I have a photo with.
Speaker 1: Well, is it a common practice in real estate to
Speaker 1: send photos of yourself?
Speaker 3: No, you know, you guys made that seem like that's
Speaker 3: the norm.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you if my husband was
Speaker 1: going through my phone and I was sending photos of myself.
Speaker 2: To anyone, right, I know. I listened to you. I
Speaker 2: listened to the last podcast where we talked about you
Speaker 2: guys talked about sending photos and being part of real estate. No,
Speaker 2: it's not part of real estate. What I was saying
Speaker 2: was texting with guys is part of the business. But
Speaker 2: this sexy photo thing. At the time, I was like,
Speaker 2: this can't be true. Like I you know, I hadn't
Speaker 2: heard anything like that. So but you know, as you
Speaker 2: went on, and as the summer went on, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: another story that I have to you know, get behind
Speaker 2: Michelle and another fight I have to be And I
Speaker 2: was like got to the point where I was just
Speaker 2: a little tired of like this round about gossip because
Speaker 2: it's not really my style. It's like, Okay, if I
Speaker 2: have a problem with somebody, I go straight to the source,
Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, well let's get Jack's up there,
Speaker 2: Let's get Janet up there, and let's have a conversation.
Speaker 1: Were you blindsided in that moment? Are you already had
Speaker 1: an idea what was happening?
Speaker 2: No, you know, blindsided by what it actually happening, or
Speaker 2: blinds or the fact.
Speaker 1: That there was these text messages, the fact that you
Speaker 1: were further into almost separating than you thought or was
Speaker 1: in my guess watching the show, I felt like you
Speaker 1: guys were already in a place that you were not
Speaker 1: going to make it when the first show first started.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this in a judgment away the
Speaker 1: worst part I was ever in my marriage was my
Speaker 1: first season on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 3: That was our hardest time.
Speaker 1: We worked through it, but that was our hardest time,
Speaker 1: and I just remember that feeling of like that tension
Speaker 1: where it didn't feel authentic or natural being together because
Speaker 1: we both wanted to the other one to come off
Speaker 1: a certain way.
Speaker 2: So we had just in March moved into the new.
Speaker 3: House, the one that's the Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had just moved into that house, and yeah,
Speaker 2: we still have our issues. But I didn't think until
Speaker 2: I watched the show. I was like, Wow, it was
Speaker 2: really that bad. Like I did not see it at all.
Speaker 2: We had kind of swept everything under the rug. And
Speaker 2: then you know the reason why it feels very authentic
Speaker 2: is I didn't know I could say no to anything.
Speaker 2: So I had mentioned to Michelle. I got introduced to
Speaker 2: Scott the life coach, and I had mentioned it to Michelle.
Speaker 2: Michelle mentioned it Brittany, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Jackson and I are by the pool and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're doing therapy. And then I get a call, Hey,
Speaker 2: do you guys want to do you know, a session
Speaker 2: on Cameron. I'm like, I haven't talked to the guy yet,
Speaker 2: and so we just did our first that was our
Speaker 2: first session. We had one call with him. Before and
Speaker 2: then that was our first session.
Speaker 3: Did you ever have a second session?
Speaker 2: We did? I still work with him today, you do, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But it was there was a lot of dust under
Speaker 2: the rug and the show and and you know, working
Speaker 2: with Scott just kind of brought all that up. And
Speaker 2: when I watched it back and I see scenes, you know,
Speaker 2: with Brittany and Michelle and Big Bear and her saying
Speaker 2: that she like wasn't attracted to me anymore, I didn't
Speaker 2: see it. Like I didn't. I didn't feel it, and
Speaker 2: I was I actually felt a little blindside in October
Speaker 2: when she said she was leaving.
Speaker 3: Right so around the same time as the Jackson Britney thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I run the same Okay, Yeah, so yeah, it was,
Speaker 2: it was and I still fought. And then what a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know is, you know, we knew,
Speaker 2: we knew sort of the arc of what had happened
Speaker 2: all summer, and we were afraid, Like I didn't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Michelle lived in the house until February fifteenth, so we
Speaker 2: were separated what six months, five six months, and we
Speaker 2: were still living together. And you know, I think when
Speaker 2: you have a situation where you separate, I think it's
Speaker 2: important to get that space. And we were I mean,
Speaker 2: I think she slept in my bed for the first
Speaker 2: week or two after we separated, and you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't going out. She started to go out more and
Speaker 2: more and I would wait up until, you know, one, two,
Speaker 2: three in the morning until she got home, and it
Speaker 2: just it was very it's very difficult, it's very toxic,
Speaker 2: and you know it was I was still fighting, and
Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons, you know, looking back
Speaker 2: on it, one of the reasons why I was like, no,
Speaker 2: we can't, you know, we can't tell anybody, we can't
Speaker 2: move out, is because I was still fighting. And then finally,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll never forget New Year's Eve. I was
Speaker 2: at Jack's bar and he's like, I got to talk
Speaker 2: to you about something. And the next morning I called
Speaker 2: him and I'm like, what did you need to talk to
Speaker 2: me about? And he brought up Michelle's boyfriend. And that's
Speaker 2: when I was just like, enough is enough, Like for
Speaker 2: mental health, I can't deal with this anymore. I call
Speaker 2: them back and I go listen, for the sake of
Speaker 2: your show, here's my situation. We've kept this a secret
Speaker 2: now for you know, four months, Like when I was
Speaker 2: crying in your backyard at Thanksgiving. It wasn't because I
Speaker 2: was drunk. It's because I was, like, you know, losing it.
Speaker 2: And then finally January first is when we told everybody.
Speaker 3: So I have a question.
Speaker 1: I when I look back at any friends that I've had,
Speaker 1: or any relationships that I've seen that have fully gone south,
Speaker 1: or you see a woman that gets to the point
Speaker 1: where they really look like they're done most of the time,
Speaker 1: and you can correct me if I'm wrong, it's because
Speaker 1: they have been wronged right by their significant other. Is
Speaker 1: there something that you have done prior to the show
Speaker 1: that got her to that place in your opinion, if
Speaker 1: you're going to take account of belly.
Speaker 2: No, there was nothing, you know it was It was
Speaker 2: April twenty twenty when we had Isabella. I mean we
Speaker 2: had you know, indoor flip flops and outdoor flip flops
Speaker 2: because of COVID, you know what the hell was going on.
Speaker 2: And that first like six or eight months, I mean
Speaker 2: we had no help. We had no grandma or grandpa,
Speaker 2: we had nobody was coming to visit. You know, I thought,
Speaker 2: I have a kid, and all of a sudden, people
Speaker 2: are supposed to bring you like casse roles or whatever,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: It can be very lonely and you feel like you're
Speaker 1: supposed to have all the answers and sometimes you don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you like I spent you know,
Speaker 2: six months with Michelle and the baby, and then eventually
Speaker 2: things opened up and it was like, Okay, I have
Speaker 2: to go to like she can't go out with the
Speaker 2: baby and she's breastfeeding. We don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: So I'm going shopping and you know, I'm going to
Speaker 2: the office and I'm doing all these things. And you know,
Speaker 2: I started doing my Friday lunches again. And I think
Speaker 2: she with no help and no soor like I wasn't
Speaker 2: really being of service to the family. I was kind
Speaker 2: of be a being of service to work in business
Speaker 2: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Could you say I was being selfish?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I was being selfish, because you know,
Speaker 2: it's hard to hear things where she goes with the
Speaker 2: girls and says, oh, well, Jesse didn't do anything for
Speaker 2: two years, and my mother's like, I have the videos
Speaker 2: and the photos. You were with her the entire time.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it was a Michelle thing
Speaker 2: or if it was just like it was. It was
Speaker 2: tough back then, you know, and we don't have family nearby,
Speaker 2: so it's like, you know, I think it was more
Speaker 2: it wasn't selfishness. It was more, you know, I abandoned
Speaker 2: them in certain certain times when they needed me.
Speaker 1: You maybe weren't as vulnerable then until you realized that
Speaker 1: things were going south.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I know people have heard this,
Speaker 2: but she did try to leave in October of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, and we had a whole conversation about it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I thought things were getting better, because
Speaker 2: you know, we moved into the house in March of
Speaker 2: twenty three.
Speaker 3: What made her come back?
Speaker 2: You know, she just gave me a couple of things
Speaker 2: that bothered her and I said I would work on it.
Speaker 2: You know. One of those things is you know, being
Speaker 2: present and stuff like that at home. And you know,
Speaker 2: I've said this in multiple interviews. The hardest thing and
Speaker 2: I this is the advice I give to every parent.
Speaker 2: Have the conversation about how you're gonna parent before you
Speaker 2: have a child. Because I was like East Coast, impatient, aggressive,
Speaker 2: like I didn't realize you're not supposed to yell at
Speaker 2: a one and a half year old, like, don't do that.
Speaker 2: It's just part of the process. And then Michelle was
Speaker 2: on the opposite end of the spectrum. She was very
Speaker 2: passive and like, you know, she her parenting was like
Speaker 2: what she read on Instagram from psychiatrists, you know. And
Speaker 2: we worked with a behavioral therapist for Isabella to try
Speaker 2: to get us somewhere in the middle. So it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, being a little bit more patient, being a
Speaker 2: little bit more present, you know, things like that is
Speaker 2: sort of what she wanted me to work on, and
Speaker 2: she said she would stay if I did well.
Speaker 1: Because I kind of I watched the finale and the
Speaker 1: juxtaposition between the way that you spoke with Michelle and
Speaker 1: then the way that we saw Jackson Britney speak.
Speaker 3: Kind of for the.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of aligned you two together, you
Speaker 1: and Jackson. I was like, you know what, they're they're
Speaker 1: the problem. Here we are.
Speaker 3: And then in that moment, number.
Speaker 2: One and number two guy in the group.
Speaker 3: Is that definitely you're gonna need a sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: But I think as watching this, I saw a kindness
Speaker 1: and a softness when it came to you speaking to Michelle,
Speaker 1: and I saw the complete opposite with Jack's, like, you
Speaker 1: see almost like there was anger, and it looked to
Speaker 1: me like you were being you were opening up, and
Speaker 1: you were okay with the show capturing what was actually
Speaker 1: happening in your life and what was happening Jackson Brittany
Speaker 1: was he wanted to keep pretending. Yeah, would you say
Speaker 1: that that's an accurate prossessment?
Speaker 2: You know it's thank you. By the way, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I thought we were just going to talk shit about people,
Speaker 2: but apparently we're getting heart to heart. So that's super sweet.
Speaker 2: We should remove these pillows and.
Speaker 3: Get closer to calm down. No.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you see me say to
Speaker 2: Jacks multiple times, like on the boat in Big Bear,
Speaker 2: I said, I'm probably the best person to talk to
Speaker 2: about this, and everybody kind of made it a joke,
Speaker 2: like why would we talk to you your marriage is?
Speaker 2: Your marriage is terrible? And you know that's the exact
Speaker 2: reason why I said that. And since then, you know,
Speaker 2: Jax has reached out quite a bit for advice, and
Speaker 2: I know exactly sort of what he was going through,
Speaker 2: especially in that moment when cameras came back up, like
Speaker 2: having somebody leave you, because that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2: She left me. That's why she got a new place
Speaker 2: and she got new furniture.
Speaker 1: But still, even if I have to say, even if
Speaker 1: I were to leave Edwin, I don't know that he
Speaker 1: would me in a situation. And granted I may we
Speaker 1: have completely separate finances. I do well on my own,
Speaker 1: I mean he does better than me, but like we
Speaker 1: both are financially stable and do well.
Speaker 3: Honored. You guys need to buy a new house or
Speaker 3: I mean, we will if I end up with Austin Butler,
Speaker 3: like I talked to out on my last spot. No,
Speaker 3: but uh, I don't know how I feel about a
Speaker 3: man allowing a woman to leave with their child and
Speaker 3: kind of finn.
Speaker 2: For themselves their situation. I don't you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: their personal situation to deal with. How that conversation went,
Speaker 2: I can only tell you my conversation with Michelle Again,
Speaker 2: like I said, I was still fighting, you know, even
Speaker 2: though she was going out, and even though the rumors,
Speaker 2: you know, once we separated and once a few people
Speaker 2: started to know about it, then it was like, you know,
Speaker 2: more rumors and more rumors and more gossip, and I
Speaker 2: just said to her, you're the one that's leaving, like
Speaker 2: I want to keep the house. I mean the process
Speaker 2: of buying the house. I was like, if you want
Speaker 2: to leave, then go. And we had that same conversation
Speaker 2: that we're having now, like you should, you should move out,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, I'm not leaving, like I'm going
Speaker 2: to keep. You know, there was one conversation where we
Speaker 2: were both going to get rid of the house and
Speaker 2: both get separate places, but I wanted some stability for Isabella.
Speaker 2: It was so hard for her. We had to literally,
Speaker 2: about two weeks after we moved out, we had and
Speaker 2: we talked to our behavioral therapist. We had to go
Speaker 2: back to our old townhouse so she could say goodbye,
Speaker 2: because every day it was like I missed the old house.
Speaker 2: I missed the old house, and I didn't want to
Speaker 2: go through that again with her.
Speaker 3: Why did you guys have to have the breakup conversation
Speaker 3: with Isabella in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: I think it was it was a very last minute,
Speaker 2: you know. I didn't want I really didn't want to
Speaker 2: have Michelle back at the house, and I really fought
Speaker 2: it and fought it and fought it, and I forget
Speaker 2: what the situation was.
Speaker 3: Where because they they could.
Speaker 1: I get that sometimes there's filming and your kids are
Speaker 1: there and you got to just go with the But
Speaker 1: there was that edit where you guys are talking and
Speaker 1: they panned to her and I think she wants barbecue sauce,
Speaker 1: and it's to make it very clear that you guys
Speaker 1: are doing it with her there, and that's to like
Speaker 1: pull it. And I hate to bring kids into it,
Speaker 1: but that's it was meant to pull it as.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know. The saddest part was, like I said,
Speaker 2: you know, those six months of just toxic energy in
Speaker 2: the house, and you know, Isabella got to the point
Speaker 2: where me and Michelle could be talking about like what
Speaker 2: time I'm playing golf tomorrow and she would come in
Speaker 2: and say, guys, stop fighting. We're like, we're not fighting,
Speaker 2: We're not. But it was just, you know, it just
Speaker 2: got to the point where I was like, not in
Speaker 2: front of the baby. Not in front of the baby.
Speaker 2: And you know that particular moment we there were specific
Speaker 2: things we want to talk about that was supposed to
Speaker 2: be calm, but you can see like we just have
Speaker 2: this like there's just this like anger with Michelle.
Speaker 3: And there still is, apparently because she was on Janna
Speaker 3: Kramer's podcast this morning. I don't know when it's gonna air,
Speaker 3: but I wasn't allowed to have you guys both on separately,
Speaker 3: so we chose you enough security for that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: I think if she listens to the pod, she'd probably
Speaker 1: be annoyed at me because I call her AI.
Speaker 3: But I do really like her.
Speaker 1: I just think that sometimes it's when filming, but she says,
Speaker 1: Michelle says, you guys are co parenting the best they can,
Speaker 1: but you guys still fight all the all the time
Speaker 1: because you have such different parenting styles. She's met your
Speaker 1: girlfriend once at Isabella's fourth birthday. You invited her over
Speaker 1: to do the cake, and she is still adamant. She
Speaker 1: did not send any sexy photos. Is all of this accurate?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are still fighting. We're still trying to figure
Speaker 2: it out. I mean it's still like, I mean, it's difficult,
Speaker 2: you know, it's I there was there was one conversation
Speaker 2: that we had where we were I was talking about
Speaker 2: trying to get us back to the middle, and I
Speaker 2: think it was the scene out when I was out
Speaker 2: back and I was crying, you know, in the.
Speaker 3: Final after the ayahuasca.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this.
Speaker 3: That was a rough go with cap.
Speaker 2: You know, I lost that damn Vinie at Chateau and
Speaker 2: it's not in the Lost and Found. I checked everywhere.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's in Michael Bay's room.
Speaker 2: I can confirm it was not Michael Bay. Fine, I
Speaker 2: actually don't think it was a celebrity. And if you
Speaker 2: watch her say it was a celebrity, it feels very
Speaker 2: like it was.
Speaker 1: Everything feels very I'm sorry. There's the only time. And
Speaker 1: this is where I hope, now that I know that
Speaker 1: you guys are all coming back for next season, I
Speaker 1: hope that we see the Michelle that got upset at
Speaker 1: that dinner table and showed who she really was and
Speaker 1: that gumption because whenever you see somebody self producing, and
Speaker 1: I've done it myself, but like seeing that, like trying
Speaker 1: to come off a certain way, it comes off robotic.
Speaker 1: But in that moment, you felt the fire, you felt
Speaker 1: the life. And yeah, I mean she was fighting for
Speaker 1: you know, her marriage at that point, so she had
Speaker 1: a reason to get upset.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you though, I was very proud of her
Speaker 2: because we had uh just about six or eight months
Speaker 2: before cameras went up, we had done a YouTube video
Speaker 2: with Ryan Surhan for a fifty eight million dollar listing
Speaker 2: that we had, and she was very uncomfortable. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'll introduce the property address and I'll say the price,
Speaker 2: but you give the tour because she just had never
Speaker 2: been in front of the camera before, so she didn't
Speaker 2: get it. And even from day one, I mean we
Speaker 2: started a little earlier because we were supposed to go
Speaker 2: to Europe for a month.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Kim, before we even get into that, can
Speaker 1: you tell us how you got how the valley really started?
Speaker 3: Like is you called it Jacks's show earlier? So I
Speaker 3: saw a picture or video of you at Jackson Brittany's wedding.
Speaker 3: I know that you guys modeled together back in the day. Whatever.
Speaker 3: I just found the picture of you and Anna Nicole
Speaker 3: by the way, so I've got well, your tongue is
Speaker 3: stabbing at her mouth.
Speaker 2: Like this tongue ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh no, I didn't notice that it was a
Speaker 3: tongue ring. Actually I'm in a bad way now, but okay,
Speaker 3: all right, so you with your tongue ring, but wasn't
Speaker 3: ready for that one you meet Jack's you hang out
Speaker 3: your friends, are you? Are you friends with Janet?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 3: Who's really coming into this group knowing each other?
Speaker 2: So Jackson and I met. We had the same agent
Speaker 2: in New York. He needed a place to stay, so
Speaker 2: you had me and my friend from from my hometown
Speaker 2: was also a model with like two matching pottery barn
Speaker 2: beds in the one bedroom, fifth floor walk up. Jack
Speaker 2: slept in the living room. And yeah, since two thousand
Speaker 2: and two, two thousand and three, and we reconnected probably god,
Speaker 2: I think like a couple of months before my wedding
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, you know, he went to Miami, I
Speaker 2: bounced around, I went to La and we reconnected. I
Speaker 2: invited Jackson Brittany last minute to our wedding. They didn't go.
Speaker 2: I think they were shooting. And after that it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, became friends with Tom Schwartz and and you
Speaker 2: know Tom, and did you ever.
Speaker 3: Film on vander Pumper Rules? Even if you weren't shown?
Speaker 2: Were you ever the first one I did? I don't
Speaker 2: know if you remember. It was like a seventies party
Speaker 2: at a roller skating rink. Yeah, yeah, me and Michelle
Speaker 2: and I went to that. I think it was the
Speaker 2: first time Jackson met Michelle and I've been to a
Speaker 2: butt that whole year of twenty eighteen. I was any
Speaker 2: cast event. Michelle and I were there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jax gets the boot, he's off banner pump rules,
Speaker 4: the idea of the valley starts to come around are
Speaker 4: the first.
Speaker 2: He started playing on my roller hockey team.
Speaker 3: Roller hockey. Okay, hot hockey, but on roller blades.
Speaker 2: Rollerblades, that's so hot. Yeah, did you not watch the show?
Speaker 3: I've blocked it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've locked it out.
Speaker 3: Hold on, what's what's I always call him Janet's husband?
Speaker 3: What's his name?
Speaker 2: Jason?
Speaker 3: Jason?
Speaker 2: Poor Jason.
Speaker 3: Jason is not great at that sport.
Speaker 2: No, he's not.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think Jax tried to block it out too because
Speaker 2: it was not great.
Speaker 3: Okay, so roller what do we call it again?
Speaker 2: Roller hockey? Yeah, Jackson and his manager, Ryan is a
Speaker 2: producer in the show. They reached out to me and
Speaker 2: they asked if Michelle and I would be interested in
Speaker 2: doing something. It sort of evolved from what it was
Speaker 2: originally gonna be. And I said yeah, And I said, oh,
Speaker 2: this is a great opportunity. Like we sell real estate,
Speaker 2: we spend thousands of dollars on these stupid flyers that
Speaker 2: we send out and then like your nanny throws it
Speaker 2: in the trash before you ever see it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be an opportunity. We can be like
Speaker 2: the luxury real estate, you know, high end wine drinking,
Speaker 2: high end travel. Like we're gonna be spending three weeks
Speaker 2: in Europe or four week, four weeks in Europe, but
Speaker 2: three weeks of shooting can send back videos.
Speaker 3: Three weeks of shooting, I'm so sure.
Speaker 2: So I was like, it's gonna be great. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: that box blew up in about two minutes in front
Speaker 2: of the front of the camera, okay. And then so
Speaker 2: that's the story. In terms of friends, I knew all
Speaker 2: of them. Zach was always around, obviously, is.
Speaker 3: Zach When they say the entire cast is coming back,
Speaker 3: does that include Zach?
Speaker 2: I don't need. You probably know more than me. I
Speaker 2: don't know when cameras go up except for in the summer.
Speaker 1: Is Zach really upset about these things because of friendship
Speaker 1: or is he just upset for not having camera time
Speaker 1: because that really it's rubbing me the wrong way, is it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know, you know, you have to answer, like, do.
Speaker 2: You honestly Zach was Zach was just the friend that
Speaker 2: was always around always.
Speaker 3: People love to be that called.
Speaker 2: That he was. He was just no, no, no, I never
Speaker 2: really had like a strong relationship. He was just always
Speaker 2: around at every party. But I wouldn't go up and
Speaker 2: be like, hey, how are you? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I love a friend that's just always It's like he's
Speaker 1: like gum on your shoe.
Speaker 3: It's like not the worst thing. I mean, it's better
Speaker 3: than dog shit.
Speaker 1: Well, to be.
Speaker 2: Honest, though, Zach would walk into Jackson Britt's house and
Speaker 2: be line straight for Brittany and not say hi to
Speaker 2: me either. So like we didn't really have a relationship
Speaker 2: other than he was always around.
Speaker 3: Okay in hindsight, so as we're I'm going to break
Speaker 3: down each person.
Speaker 2: Okay, Kristin, Kristin.
Speaker 1: Now that you've watched the entire sea and do you
Speaker 1: have any regrets when it comes to how hard you
Speaker 1: pushed to have Kristin out.
Speaker 3: Of the group something that really bothers me. I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna be honest. You're not You're not the production team,
Speaker 3: you're not the casting group. You don't get to choose
Speaker 3: who comes and does what because.
Speaker 2: I had I was I making that choice?
Speaker 1: Were you said it like if she goes, I'm not going, No,
Speaker 1: never do that, just.
Speaker 2: Go well that's an ultimatum, that's not casting.
Speaker 1: No, but you would have gone, Let's be clear if
Speaker 1: Kristin would have gone to Big Bear.
Speaker 2: So what have you? No? No, no, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: It comes down to the fact that you know, it
Speaker 2: just bothered me because Kristen was you know, I've said
Speaker 2: it before. Kristin and britt were the only two people
Speaker 2: at our baby shower, you know of that group, and
Speaker 2: I know Kristin going back to like I remember hanging
Speaker 2: out with Jackson, hanging after I was at sir when
Speaker 2: they were counting tips and stuff like that, and she
Speaker 2: was always around with the whole group. I mean, I
Speaker 2: go back that far, and it was just disappointing, Like
Speaker 2: I don't I have this sort of like Irish Boston
Speaker 2: loyalty to friends and family, where like I'm gonna step
Speaker 2: in front of the bullet and if somebody comes after
Speaker 2: my family, like she came after Michelle whatever Michelle and
Speaker 2: I is really so you.
Speaker 3: Think Kristen came after Michelle? It was not Janet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's hard.
Speaker 1: I think Janet is very smart. I think she's very
Speaker 1: good at what she does. I think she is likable,
Speaker 1: but she see with a smile on her face. And
Speaker 1: on that same note, when you're causing drama and then
Speaker 1: and then using your pregnancy as do you think she
Speaker 1: used her pregnancy as a shield.
Speaker 2: I don't think she used it. I think we're all
Speaker 2: super sensitive to it, for sure.
Speaker 3: But I suffer Zach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, I don't even know what that
Speaker 2: situation is because again I don't have that like relationship
Speaker 2: with Zach to be like, oh, what's like, we're not
Speaker 2: going making pot what is it called pottery?
Speaker 3: Would you have cried if you didn't get invited to
Speaker 3: Big Bear?
Speaker 2: Would I have cried?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean I have really hard time in the altitude.
Speaker 2: I probably would have been fine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean I proposed I mean, and.
Speaker 3: Was that Big Bear? Because Tamra said that it was
Speaker 3: not actually Big Bear.
Speaker 2: I mean it was only like forty minutes outside. There
Speaker 2: was a lake across the street. I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: the lake lake. And then what I proposed, Napa, I said,
Speaker 2: I could completely set it up. I proposed, you know,
Speaker 2: Jesse sort of things.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jess, you did bring a suitcase of alcohol, which
Speaker 3: I appreciated because there's never you are right when people
Speaker 3: say they have everything, They never have everything.
Speaker 5: Okay, so back to Janet that wait, hold on, we
Speaker 5: haven't even got through Kristin.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so let me let me close the chapter
Speaker 2: on Kristin. Kristin actually reached out to me recently.
Speaker 3: And I'm sweating, but we're both sweating. It's so hot
Speaker 3: in here. Every time I'll be in a full sweat.
Speaker 2: And I ran three miles this morning to kind of
Speaker 2: get that like Opus one that I had last night
Speaker 2: out of my system. Also three Scotches.
Speaker 3: I love him. We'd name drop Opus one. It's my favorite.
Speaker 2: I mean, you were stalking me on Instagram, so you
Speaker 2: would know because I posted it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't follow you, so I see what
Speaker 3: you posted. You did not follow him?
Speaker 2: Yes, shot it and posted and tagged Michelle.
Speaker 3: Okay, So, Kristen, do you feel bad?
Speaker 2: I do, because Kristen actually reached out to me the weekend.
Speaker 2: I was at Watch What Happens Live and she sent me.
Speaker 3: That you were boring and watch what happens to live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Okay,
Speaker 2: I thought it was charming, but sorry, So yeah, she
Speaker 2: reached out to me. She sent me a very sweet message,
Speaker 2: and I thanked her for it, and and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think moving forward, knowing what we all know now,
Speaker 2: I think Kristin and I will have a lot better
Speaker 2: relationship for sure.
Speaker 3: Because Kristen's needed for the show. I think she is.
Speaker 1: I don't need to see her in the apartment getting pedicures.
Speaker 1: I need to see her at Big Bear right causing shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The thing the problem I had with
Speaker 2: Kristin was like after the gallow when we were outside,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things I kept saying to
Speaker 2: her was I'm sorry, but doesn't it doesn't work, you know.
Speaker 2: And my biggest, my biggest problem was Kristin will do
Speaker 2: this sort of like sort of like love I call
Speaker 2: it like the love bomb, and to get in people's
Speaker 2: good graces and then the gossip and then the victim
Speaker 2: and then back to the like the love It's like
Speaker 2: it's like she says something about Michelle and then she
Speaker 2: sends Michelle a text message the next day like I love.
Speaker 1: You because that's that's the nature of somebody who is
Speaker 1: going to create good television. Sometimes they're gonna do shit,
Speaker 1: they're gonna say it wrong. Like here's my one gripe
Speaker 1: about Kristin, and I've told this to her when she
Speaker 1: delivers them, for it's not always correct. It's like one
Speaker 1: thing off from being accurate information. But I do think
Speaker 1: she's constantly moving storyline. She's doing what she needs to do,
Speaker 1: and I enjoy watching her.
Speaker 3: So I had an aversion to all of you deciding
Speaker 3: to push her out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but would you have enjoyed would you have enjoyed
Speaker 2: the season as much? If there wasn't the me Kristen
Speaker 2: Michelle storyline? Every week it was a different thing. You know,
Speaker 2: it was the racist Republican thing, and then it was that.
Speaker 1: Party didn't like that, party didn't like it all. But
Speaker 1: you think Janet's hands are completely clean in that.
Speaker 2: I don't know any of it. All I know is
Speaker 2: that I got home that night and Michelle was like,
Speaker 2: You'll never believe what happened, Like, where does that even
Speaker 2: come from?
Speaker 3: So alcoholic beverages?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I you know, I don't know it. But
Speaker 2: then it was like, okay, let's double down. You know
Speaker 2: that that got cleared up, and everybody's screen at the
Speaker 2: table at my dinner, and you know, Kristen's saying it
Speaker 2: was Zach and Janet's saying it was and back and
Speaker 2: forth and back and forth. Whoever's to blame. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is what it is. But it's the carrying on
Speaker 2: the story that's the problem, you know. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I go right to the source if there's an issue.
Speaker 3: But you're skirting around my questions about Janet.
Speaker 2: Okay, do I think Janet was involved? Yes? I don't
Speaker 2: actually know. Even watching it back, I I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't. I didn't.
Speaker 1: She had pink crocs there videoing at the T shirt
Speaker 1: thing like, and then Jack's coming in to tell them
Speaker 1: they weren't invite it.
Speaker 3: Like, if you're going to do shit, then you got
Speaker 3: to go in and do it yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah I would. I would love to, you know, I
Speaker 2: never got that opportunity to sit down with Janet. I
Speaker 2: don't think one time and actually have a conversation with
Speaker 2: her like what was actually going on. But she's strategic
Speaker 2: and she knows what she's doing.
Speaker 3: That's what I would appreciate you doing for next year.
Speaker 2: I have a couple people like I think. I think
Speaker 2: next season it'll be great, you know, sort of to
Speaker 2: see the arc of where I talked to Jack's on
Speaker 2: the boat, and I talked to Jack's at my wine lunch,
Speaker 2: and then see where we're at now, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I'd like to spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: with Jackson next.
Speaker 3: What's going on with Jackson?
Speaker 1: That like Instagram girl with the ginormous boobs that like,
Speaker 1: is this a true story? That she sent the limo
Speaker 1: and they went to the thing but then the dad
Speaker 1: paid for it?
Speaker 3: Is any of this true?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't get involved in like, like
Speaker 2: I actually met the dad. Jackson and I.
Speaker 3: Played in a Okay, so there is a dad.
Speaker 2: I know the dad. Yeah, we played in a like
Speaker 2: celebrity charity golf tournament and we met the dad. I've
Speaker 2: never met her. I don't know her at all. I
Speaker 2: don't know how the whole thing happened. And you know,
Speaker 2: but it is I don't know any of the story
Speaker 2: because I stay out of like all of it.
Speaker 3: You don't seem like the person that stays out.
Speaker 2: Of all of them. You know what, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: how much I stay out of it. Last time I
Speaker 2: read a comment it was a decision that I made
Speaker 2: Wednesday night before the press premiere. Was the last time
Speaker 2: I went on read it. Read an Instagram comment.
Speaker 3: You read Matt's DM three weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I know the DMS. I the DMS I read. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you why, because there's a lot of people, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't respond to the like, hey you're hot,
Speaker 2: Hey this, hey that. If you.
Speaker 3: I don't respond and like you're the hot now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if people are inappropriate, I don't respond,
Speaker 2: But I love the people that are, like I wanted
Speaker 2: to get in real I want to get in real estate.
Speaker 2: What's your advice? Or a lot of people are you know,
Speaker 2: I think my wife and I are in the same situation.
Speaker 2: What what is your advice? And then you know people
Speaker 2: that reach out and they just say cool things. They
Speaker 2: want to talk about hockey, they want to talk about
Speaker 2: roller hockey. You mean, yeah, hockey, roller hockey, ones on ice,
Speaker 2: ones on you know, like paved or smooth concrete. I'll
Speaker 2: take you out skating.
Speaker 1: Can we get into Jackson Brittany a little bit more? Okay,
Speaker 1: was there ever a moment that you watched your number
Speaker 1: one friend in the group maybe push it too far
Speaker 1: when it came to Brittany, like he's constantly chugging booze,
Speaker 1: parting it up. But yet even in Big Bear, like
Speaker 1: the day that she's sick, he's kind of going after
Speaker 1: her doing all. It really kind of made me feel
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to watch.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was washing dishes and said to him, like,
Speaker 2: it wasn't really the moment, you know, it's a very
Speaker 2: personal thing. And again, I was going through struggles. It
Speaker 2: was like we were on a they were on like
Speaker 2: an eight month lag between where you know, where they
Speaker 2: are and where Michelle and I were, And it's just
Speaker 2: not when you're going through that, it's not a public form,
Speaker 2: you know. And I don't know if he was going
Speaker 2: through it and he wanted, you know, he reacted that
Speaker 2: way to Brittany to get support from the rest of
Speaker 2: the group, you know, so they could see what was happening,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden everybody would jump onto
Speaker 2: Jack's team. But I did say to him, it's not
Speaker 2: appropriate for a.
Speaker 3: Public well, even if people are on Jacks's team at
Speaker 3: Big Bear, I would just watch the finale when she's
Speaker 3: packing and there in their house. He's standing beside and
Speaker 3: watching him gaslight her.
Speaker 2: That's a new word that I just recently learned.
Speaker 3: It's actually it's been overused.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know, still don't know what it means.
Speaker 2: Apparently I'm a big gas lighter.
Speaker 3: You are, but it's fine. Actually you're not as big
Speaker 3: as him.
Speaker 1: But he where he just constantly anytime she said anything,
Speaker 1: like he said I'm booking therapy, She's like, when did
Speaker 1: you book therapy? He's like yesterday. She's like, okay, that's
Speaker 1: the day before cameras picked up. Like everything had a
Speaker 1: means for fame, for for the show, and nothing really
Speaker 1: seemed to be about the relationship. Do you think there's
Speaker 1: a chance that those two can end up back together?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And did he hook up with Lauri K Productions?
Speaker 2: As you know, man, you're just firing them off. It's like,
Speaker 2: just you just give me the sheet. I'll read off
Speaker 2: my answers.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, the wine is lukewarm.
Speaker 3: This is where enjoyment goes to die. It's like we
Speaker 3: are just roughing it out here. We're in the trenches.
Speaker 2: Answer the question which one Laurie, Okay, we don't care
Speaker 2: about anything else. I can't imagine that's true. I've met
Speaker 2: her a thousand times and they all of them.
Speaker 3: Then why did Brettan follow her?
Speaker 2: I have no, I don't know these unfollow like follow on.
Speaker 3: You know that I wasn't following you.
Speaker 2: So you seem well, yeah, because I followed you last
Speaker 2: night when I listened to eight hundred podcasts, which I like.
Speaker 2: I'm like listening to podcast trying to do my research,
Speaker 2: writing my outline. Gotten a ship, by the way.
Speaker 3: Where is it? I don't you don't seem to be
Speaker 3: using it.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't I burn it.
Speaker 3: Ah, Okay, so.
Speaker 2: Laurie, I don't. I don't think that's possibly true.
Speaker 1: But do you think he's treated No, Well, now I
Speaker 1: can't like you because now I think you're a liar.
Speaker 2: I'm not a liar. Look at my face. I'm not
Speaker 2: lying to you.
Speaker 1: This is gaslighting. This is actually the definition of gaslighting.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. I've I've there has been a monster
Speaker 2: change in Jack since he had his son, and I
Speaker 2: think I think it had a lot to do with
Speaker 2: him losing his I think that whole time frame changed
Speaker 2: his like mentality. And I mean I would know of
Speaker 2: anybody in the group, I would know, and I one, No,
Speaker 2: he was not cheating. Okay, so he did the exact
Speaker 2: same thing I did. You know? Communication was lost? You
Speaker 2: know I used to sit like Michelle used to say,
Speaker 2: I'm not an affectionate person, and you know, now I'm
Speaker 2: with somebody and I seem to be overly affected.
Speaker 3: Nicole tell me about her. He hates when I switch gears.
Speaker 3: But yes, I am.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should never have said that. No, she's amazing.
Speaker 3: Is she coming with us tonight to Jackxon's.
Speaker 2: She is coming tonight? Yeah, Okay, I love I love
Speaker 2: that us are going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going. What about is Michelle? What about Michelle's boyfriend?
Speaker 1: Is he going with us?
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if Michelle or the boyfriend
Speaker 2: are going. If you want, I can get like a
Speaker 2: stretch Limo nineteen eighty eight, Gordon Gecko style, and we.
Speaker 3: Can from a hold on.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to Encino, but it can it hard enough.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Studio City, But.
Speaker 1: Can it be from the Instagram model's dad? Take us
Speaker 1: to a restaurant first?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: All right, so are we actually going to answer a question?
Speaker 2: You're just going to fire him?
Speaker 3: Ut No, keep going.
Speaker 2: I want it was the question. Now, well, I still
Speaker 2: am not satisfied and answered my limo question.
Speaker 3: I don't need to have a lone. I can take
Speaker 3: an uber X. I'll meet you guys there. But I
Speaker 3: don't believe you on Laurie. Oh wow something?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Perfect? No, you know I know her, She's been around,
Speaker 2: you know, forever.
Speaker 3: Does she still wrap Brittany?
Speaker 2: I think so, but I don't know does she I
Speaker 2: don't know actually who she does represent and doesn't represent?
Speaker 2: But I know is she divorced Laurie? I don't know
Speaker 2: she lives in Montreal. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, who do you think is bigger?
Speaker 2: Don't? Because Jackson has been doing Canadian tours. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like you chose so transparent.
Speaker 3: I said, I wasn't. Who do you think is a
Speaker 3: bigger douchebag? Jacks or.
Speaker 2: Sandoval Man? I don't. I think what sandval did was
Speaker 2: was terrible. But I don't know if he's like necessarily
Speaker 2: a douchebag. But what he did was was was horrible,
Speaker 2: and not taking accountability for it was horrible. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's a tough question. I think I'd probably just go
Speaker 2: with me no, you just talked about Yes, I just
Speaker 2: figured it out. Oh no, now I can Now I
Speaker 2: can know.
Speaker 1: You have to pick someone. This is the game. It's
Speaker 1: pick or die. You have to pick one or the other.
Speaker 1: It cannot be yourself. And then we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: Jackson's a bigger douchebag. Okay, all right, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Danny and Nia. I knew them prior because they go
Speaker 1: to my same church. I've known Danny and Nea for years.
Speaker 1: I never originally kind of pictured that happening. We introduced
Speaker 1: Danny to Jack's at a RAMS game and then this
Speaker 1: kind of all happened.
Speaker 3: What pretty much I am? I'm the catalyst to getting
Speaker 3: other people's jobs that I can't get.
Speaker 2: Amazing, you know.
Speaker 3: Nailed it.
Speaker 1: But what do you think that there was a day
Speaker 1: on the beach, you're wrestling, You're getting a little too
Speaker 1: intense for Danny's liking, and then the night ends with
Speaker 1: all of you guys in tears.
Speaker 3: That was rough to watch?
Speaker 2: Rough or amazing?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't ever want to. I've seen my
Speaker 1: husband cry two times.
Speaker 3: The fact that all of.
Speaker 2: You as cry, well, if you watched the original trailer
Speaker 2: that came out when I came down and gave Danny
Speaker 2: a hug at the beginning, and he said he's allergic
Speaker 2: to cotton, and I said it was Kashmir. I also
Speaker 2: in the trailer said that I was the number one
Speaker 2: crier in the group, just like I also said I
Speaker 2: was a number one?
Speaker 3: Did you cry on command right now?
Speaker 2: Probably? Great?
Speaker 3: Do it?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I can't. Well now, I almost I almost did. When
Speaker 2: at the beginning, when I was talking about Isabella and
Speaker 2: you asking about the scene, why would we have Isabella there?
Speaker 1: I almost I know I saw that, but you seemed
Speaker 1: like you enjoyed antagonizing Danny.
Speaker 2: I mean, we hadn't quite seen. I think I was
Speaker 2: the one that coined the phrase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that what his name? I've never seen dark
Speaker 3: Side Danny.
Speaker 2: Well, if you so, you don't watch the.
Speaker 1: Show, then, I mean in real life and real life,
Speaker 1: I've never seen dark Side Danny.
Speaker 3: I only see like I see church Danny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean we're probably the only two people
Speaker 2: that would drink marguerite is before we go to church.
Speaker 2: The most normal people don't. I mean you and.
Speaker 3: I us me and you know, I wait till after church. Okay,
Speaker 3: then I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2: Is there a question in there, the question what you
Speaker 2: so hard to watch? Great?
Speaker 1: You know, I loved it hard to watch looking back,
Speaker 1: Do you think you were antagonizing them to get the
Speaker 1: heat off of you guys?
Speaker 2: No, I I you also.
Speaker 3: Job at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was you know, it was funny because
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. You know, after this this journey
Speaker 2: that I went on, and I was church, I was
Speaker 2: very very When I first watched that episode, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh god, they made me look so bad today, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know that then I looked, But then I
Speaker 2: watched it again and I was like, if you see
Speaker 2: me like play fighting and even play fighting with Michelle,
Speaker 2: I looked like, you know. One of the things that
Speaker 2: I sort of learned on this journey was that I
Speaker 2: had Jesse and I'm going to talk to the third
Speaker 2: person like it like a douche.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Jess, you were talking about you. I thought
Speaker 1: you were talking about Janet's husband, because I know that's Jason, but.
Speaker 2: I know you'll never know his name. It's only like
Speaker 2: one of the most ten common names in America. It's fine.
Speaker 2: So the thing thing that I learned was like there
Speaker 2: was Jesse and over the years with pain and stress
Speaker 2: and success and all these things. You know. Scott and
Speaker 2: I talked about having these layers of Scott's theist of
Speaker 2: like veils over me. And when I when I was
Speaker 2: doing the journey of the first medicine that I took,
Speaker 2: I went and sat next to him and I was
Speaker 2: like talking about what I had just experienced, and he
Speaker 2: was like, you know, Jesse is enough. And that was
Speaker 2: the first thing I learned, like once you strip away
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And when I watched the episode the
Speaker 2: second time, I was like, God, look, get how like
Speaker 2: goofy and like that's how I used to be when
Speaker 2: I was younger. I was like, you know, I looked
Speaker 2: the way I looked, I talked the way I talked,
Speaker 2: but I was like kind of goofy and you know,
Speaker 2: playful and stuff like that. And I watched that on
Speaker 2: the beach and I was like, that's what I was,
Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to do. And you know,
Speaker 2: there's so much content that you that you and there's
Speaker 2: so much context that you don't get to see. But
Speaker 2: that was like a long day on the beach. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was like two bottles of cosamigos and Why.
Speaker 1: Didn't you guys have any mixers? You give me shit
Speaker 1: about my cups today, but like you guys didn't even
Speaker 1: have a mixer there.
Speaker 2: I'm a purist. It didn't look good, well, it felt good.
Speaker 3: Do you have any regrets from watching the season?
Speaker 2: Do I have any regrets? I kin't. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I regret being reactive instead of being logical. You know,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of moments where I, you know,
Speaker 2: I was just there was just so much going on that,
Speaker 2: you know, my first instinct was don't ask. Don't ask, like, oh,
Speaker 2: who said this? Who said that? My first instinct was
Speaker 2: to attack the person who said it. That was reactive
Speaker 2: and I wasn't like, Okay, let's get down to the
Speaker 2: bottom and I'll tell you what. The one time I
Speaker 2: did that was in the bedroom and with when I
Speaker 2: called Jack's up to.
Speaker 3: Explain the oh, I like, I actually love that scene.
Speaker 2: We also called I also called Janet up.
Speaker 3: I wish you would have asked for the cell phone.
Speaker 2: I know, I didn't even think of that.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you think of that? Do you know her?
Speaker 3: Did you know her cell phone code? No?
Speaker 2: I think it was changed every like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: Hold on that would have been heaven if you would
Speaker 1: have said, can I have your cell phone?
Speaker 3: What's your code? And look through the text right there.
Speaker 2: You I wouldn't think to do that.
Speaker 3: Oh are you kidding? You don't have each other's locations?
Speaker 2: No, I don't even know you can have somebody's location.
Speaker 3: I have Matt's just to make sure he has mine too,
Speaker 3: whether you like it or not.
Speaker 2: I mean, now, of course I have.
Speaker 1: If it's not Michael Bay Quentin Tarantino, but he hangs
Speaker 1: out at the Peninsula, not at Chateau Ormont.
Speaker 2: All last summer we were with him at Chateau, and
Speaker 2: I was desperately trying to get Isabella in his next movie.
Speaker 3: If it's happening, Can you please google what actors are
Speaker 3: in the most recent Quentin Tarantino movie.
Speaker 2: He said that he wasn't doing it anyway.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, so your regret that you weren't that I was.
Speaker 2: I was reactive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Do you think the show actually portrayed who
Speaker 3: you are?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think I think, you know, I think
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit more complex than people get, and
Speaker 2: I think it showed certain aspects of my personality, and
Speaker 2: I think it showed growth which was which is what
Speaker 2: I'm still doing, trying trying to grow was a person,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, I think it was pretty spot on.
Speaker 3: Do you think Jax has a bald spot?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a cowlic? Is that what it's called?
Speaker 2: Calick colic cow?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on not having a reunion?
Speaker 2: I literally would I mean not literally figuratively, would do
Speaker 2: it for free because I thought there was a There
Speaker 2: was so much that has happened, but I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened.
Speaker 1: I'll watch what Happens live. They were like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: The ratings said differently, which is nice. Really Yeah, who
Speaker 2: is he on with Michelle? Buttu she's an actress, comedian, she's.
Speaker 3: Guess bouto and I need to check the ratings.
Speaker 2: Bouteau. I don't know. I was all for it, but
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what it's actually, there is so much
Speaker 2: for season two that would have sort of I think
Speaker 2: we would have gotten through a lot of it in
Speaker 2: a reunion, and now we have all of season two
Speaker 2: to like.
Speaker 1: I'm actually fine with you guys not having a reunion.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Sheena and La La or
Speaker 1: anybody from Vanner Pump roles coming over, because Jack's publicly
Speaker 1: said that he wouldn't want anybody from Vandon pump Roles
Speaker 1: coming over. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I love Sheenan Brock, you know, we just sold them
Speaker 2: their house in the valley.
Speaker 3: Well, of course you love them, then how much?
Speaker 2: Well No, I've known Sheena, you know, forever.
Speaker 5: Too, and I have not hooked up with any of
Speaker 5: them never. Okay, So you know, I had a conversation
Speaker 5: with Jackson and Schwartz on the way out to that
Speaker 5: golf tournament, and I actually wanted them to come over.
Speaker 5: But talking with Jackson, Tom, they have such a presence
Speaker 5: that I think people, you know, we we have such
Speaker 5: a dynamic on our show with our group of friends
Speaker 5: that I think there would be people that would be
Speaker 5: sort of overshowering, overpowered by them coming in because they
Speaker 5: I mean, they're they're all pros.
Speaker 2: You know, they've been doing it a long time. And
Speaker 2: I think we have a dynamic and we have a
Speaker 2: bunch of storylines that you know, what happened with me
Speaker 2: and Michelle, you know, what are the details and the
Speaker 2: truths of what is what has come out? What happened
Speaker 2: with Jackson, Brittany. You know, there are all these storylines.
Speaker 2: I mean the baby with Jason. I played golf with
Speaker 2: Jason a half a dozen times since the cameras went down,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's so much more, think about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't have one single scene, like one single moment
Speaker 2: with Jacks or Jackson, Brittany, the four of us. You know,
Speaker 2: there's so much more to explore that bringing in new people.
Speaker 3: I think, is it's too premature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the Chris said it's.
Speaker 2: Too premature from the beginning and not I.
Speaker 1: Know you haven't learned to speaking sound bites yet. But
Speaker 1: I'm working through.
Speaker 2: It, which is why I did six hours of prep
Speaker 2: for for Watch What Happens Live because I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll just give like two second answers, but.
Speaker 1: Why this is a big question I put out on
Speaker 1: the Instagram that I've tagged you on, but now I'm
Speaker 1: going to get heckled for.
Speaker 3: I asked, what are your questions for Jesse?
Speaker 1: And everybody wants to know why Jack sweats orange?
Speaker 2: What's orange? Yeah? Oh the armpit orange thing? Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: I don't yeah self tanner spray tan. I don't do
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. Like I put makeup, I put
Speaker 2: a little well, I saw you tagged me and you're
Speaker 2: doing full glam, and I'm like, I don't want I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm only wearing pj's and I got a
Speaker 2: facial yesterday, and I have a goddamn mark right hair,
Speaker 2: and I got one right here that I'm married.
Speaker 3: Stu you to get excited.
Speaker 1: I had three interviews before you.
Speaker 2: So you because I put hairspray in two and I
Speaker 2: don't wear hair product, so now I have to go home.
Speaker 3: You do wear a lot of headbands.
Speaker 2: I wear headbands, Yeah, I do. I actually wore one
Speaker 2: running this morning and had one on when I got
Speaker 2: out of the shower because I usually don't use product
Speaker 2: at all. I just washed my hair once a week.
Speaker 3: And could we maybe add one thing into your lifestyle change.
Speaker 2: You're gonna come into my no show socks or my shoes.
Speaker 3: I just want. I don't like to see a man's ankle.
Speaker 2: Ever an ankle, Well, I also didn't. I also didn't trim,
Speaker 2: so I'm getting a little bushy. That's why you can't
Speaker 2: stay focused, because are you staring at that?
Speaker 1: I just there's hair and there's an ankle. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about Let's talk about nipplegate one. I never knew
Speaker 1: that you could get tattoos drinking. I heard that you
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to.
Speaker 2: No, you can't get tattoos when you're drinking because you
Speaker 2: might bleed more because your blood is thinner.
Speaker 3: But why were you guys all doing it and then
Speaker 3: fighting to get the first?
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fake tattoo situation until Britt
Speaker 2: said outside like, no, no, no, it's real. And I've
Speaker 2: always wanted this tattoo.
Speaker 3: Is it the one on your wrist?
Speaker 2: No, it's right under my heart. This Isabella with a
Speaker 2: little Bunny because Bunny is her middle name. I'll show
Speaker 2: it to you if you want. I'm good tonight.
Speaker 3: Photos. Okay, great? Continue?
Speaker 2: What was the question?
Speaker 3: Well, what's the question?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so the side piece of mistressing? You know,
Speaker 2: why would you say that to Hall?
Speaker 3: Like? What is that?
Speaker 2: The funny thing is we had never really had any
Speaker 2: long conversation together, the two of us, and she had.
Speaker 2: I was in line for the tattoo. She had asked
Speaker 2: me if she could go first because she was getting
Speaker 2: some little like a heart or something, and I sat
Speaker 2: next to her and we talked the entire time she
Speaker 2: was getting the tattoo was the first time I'd ever
Speaker 2: like a really conversation, like super fun. I mean that's why,
Speaker 2: that's why when I was first considering that idea of
Speaker 2: like them coming onto the show, I'm like, God, me
Speaker 2: and Laala would have so much fun.
Speaker 3: Which do you think you'd have so much fun because
Speaker 3: you'd be into her?
Speaker 2: No, because I think the banter would be amazing. So
Speaker 2: that was like the first real conversation I had with her,
Speaker 2: and it was it was before I said that comment.
Speaker 2: So it was like kind of funny because we were
Speaker 2: in this moment and the energy was great and and
Speaker 2: I mean that's probably why she didn't chop my head off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the way it played was that you said
Speaker 1: that before the tattoo. Yeah, but then what about when
Speaker 1: you pinched Kristen Snipple?
Speaker 3: You regret this and any.
Speaker 2: So yes, one of the things that I.
Speaker 3: You're working on with your ayahuasca.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, there's so much context that you don't
Speaker 2: get to see. I mean, we have hundreds of you know,
Speaker 2: we have hundreds of hours of footage, and what actually
Speaker 2: happened didn't play out the way it actually happened, you know,
Speaker 2: it never like I I never touched her. But if
Speaker 2: you know, one of the things I said to Josh,
Speaker 2: what do.
Speaker 3: You mean you never touched her? Because I saw it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it didn't. It didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, so you just you you made the move.
Speaker 2: I basically, So there's, like I said, there's a ton
Speaker 2: of context to it. And the thing that made me
Speaker 2: the most upset about that whole situation was I I
Speaker 2: whatever happened, like whatever happened, and and I can't blame
Speaker 2: it on drinking because I remember after that. But no, no,
Speaker 2: Kristin and I you know, you can see her grab me.
Speaker 2: But there were other things that happened, you know, throughout
Speaker 2: the course of that, like interaction where where it was
Speaker 2: we were very playful, we were No, it wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't a fight. And and you know I said to
Speaker 2: Jack's you know, whatever my part was in that, I
Speaker 2: take full accountability. But what makes me so angry is
Speaker 2: like number one, I don't treat women that way. And
Speaker 2: number two, and the most important is I'm raising a
Speaker 2: little girl and I don't want to assault women. I
Speaker 2: don't want to make women feel in an uncomfortable position
Speaker 2: because I'm raising a little girl, and that's the most
Speaker 2: important thing to me. And I said that to Jack's
Speaker 2: and I said that to Luke as well. So if
Speaker 2: if there was a situation that that put Chris in
Speaker 2: an uncomfortable position, I like, I said to Luke, I
Speaker 2: one hundred percent apologize it's not right. But I'm like
Speaker 2: racking my brain. I'm like that I didn't do that
Speaker 2: because I was drunk.
Speaker 3: For you in that moment.
Speaker 2: I'm the same drunk I always am on a basis,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like that's like that's
Speaker 2: like asking a bird how much it flies every day? Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember, you remember it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I remember everything. I have this weird like.
Speaker 3: You don't go, you don't go brown.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I have. I I pull stuff up
Speaker 2: from like six years ago. I'm like, remember when you
Speaker 2: said this six years ago. It's like stuck in my brain.
Speaker 2: I remember saying I remember saying bye to Danny n
Speaker 2: Nia because I didn't see the pantsing thing.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a question, and I know we have
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna let me answer it, but you're gonna
Speaker 2: ask it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. Do you think that Nia always pulled
Speaker 3: Danny right before shit hit the fan on purpose, because
Speaker 3: that's what they showed us in the finale.
Speaker 2: The nanny has to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the nanny has to go or the ace broke
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: That was my Yeah, that was like that was their
Speaker 2: thing before Dark Side Danny came out and it was
Speaker 2: it was kind of like a little laugh, but I
Speaker 2: get it. I mean what they're going through. Holy shit,
Speaker 2: I have one kid, zero patients and they are like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it, and like they
Speaker 2: are they are the strongest couple. Like she's so maternal
Speaker 2: and she's so lovely that you know. And I get
Speaker 2: where Danny's coming from too. It's like, oh, like god,
Speaker 2: I would need I mean I can drink twenty drinks,
Speaker 2: but I would need forty if I had three kids
Speaker 2: under two and closing.
Speaker 3: If you had the opportunity right now where you could
Speaker 3: do anything to save your relationship with Michelle, would you
Speaker 3: do it?
Speaker 2: No? Really, nothing, knowing what I know now and being
Speaker 2: with somebody who is so incredible, like you know, an
Speaker 2: amazing mother.
Speaker 3: Oh she's a mom already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a two year old daughter and and Isabella
Speaker 2: and her daughter. No, it's uh, I would never I
Speaker 2: would never go backwards, always always upwards.
Speaker 3: All right, so we're going to see Lace in a
Speaker 3: cool next season. No, you wouldn't bring her on the show.
Speaker 2: Well, she lives in Orange County, it's not the valley.
Speaker 1: Well, if you can only see yourself upwards, she's probably
Speaker 1: gonna live with you near the shadow of Vermont soon.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I should just do the Real Housewives
Speaker 2: of OC and.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll ask tamer if she can get your job.
Speaker 3: She hasn't got me one yet.
Speaker 2: Just as a p A though, just as a PA,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in front of the camera.
Speaker 2: I'll just feed lines to people and they like, say this,
Speaker 2: it'll be funny. Trust me. I want to be a
Speaker 2: douchebag right now.
Speaker 3: It works And where socks?
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for tuning in for an
Speaker 1: episode of popping Off. I appreciate Jesse.
Speaker 3: Jesse, where should they find you on social media to
Speaker 3: follow you and do all the things?
Speaker 2: I'm blessed. I got at Jesse Lally on everything, Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 2: which you know because you now follow me. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and in.
Speaker 1: The next forty five minutes, I will be posting the
Speaker 1: photo of him with Anna and Nicole with his tongue ring,
Speaker 1: and you guys can make your own assumptions.
Speaker 2: And if you come to Jack's with me tonight, please
Speaker 2: bring me socks long ones. Bye,