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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: Never Told You protection if by Heart Radio, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to our episode four of our Last of Us season

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Speaker 1: two mini series reactions. They are not a sponsor, as

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Speaker 1: ridiculous as I find it, but that's just the case.

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Speaker 2: I think someone's spying on us though, for real.

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Speaker 1: I think somebody's listening. If you are, hello.

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Speaker 2: Come talk to us.

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Speaker 1: Sponsor us, Yes, both neither. So this is the thing

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Speaker 1: we're doing where we are reacting to season two of

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Speaker 1: the Last of Us. In case some of you don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's like my favorite thing. It's one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 1: That's why we're doing it. There's also a lot of

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Speaker 1: feminist elements to talk about, promise, but yes, that is

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Speaker 1: why we're doing it, and so we will be reacting

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Speaker 1: to the most recent episode about a week after it

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Speaker 1: first aired. Is when this episode will come out. It's confusing,

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Speaker 1: but it's to give people time to watch it, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: including yes, yes, also to give me a bunch of

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Speaker 1: times to rewatch it so I can really think about

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Speaker 1: some stuff, really cry about it, yes, really cry about it.

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Speaker 1: But so that being said, there will be spoilers for

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Speaker 1: this season, the most recent episode, the first season, and

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Speaker 1: the first game and parts of the second game, though

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to avoid very specific plot point things in

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Speaker 1: the second game. I'll talk about the changes, but not

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Speaker 1: what might come. If that makes sense, Okay. I do

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Speaker 1: have to say I had a moment this weekend. It

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Speaker 1: was it was May the fourth be with you, a

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Speaker 1: Star Wars day. It was a lovely day. And then

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Speaker 1: we did The Last of Us and I just remember

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Speaker 1: I was like, this is so cool because I had

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Speaker 1: friends that I hadn't seen in a while and they're like,

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Speaker 1: have you seen the Last of Us? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: And we were watching it and I was like, this

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Speaker 1: looks like the game. I just remember playing this. It

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Speaker 1: is so cool. Even though it's a really painful game

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Speaker 1: and show at times, I'm really enjoying it. I'm really

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Speaker 1: enjoying it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And just to.

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Speaker 1: Do some housekeeping, as I said previously, we are not

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Speaker 1: doing our Sex and the City episodes nor our fiction

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Speaker 1: episodes while we do this, just because they're heavier lips

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Speaker 1: for Christina. But they will be back. They will be

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Speaker 1: back in June, so if they're your don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: But the way these are laid out if you haven't

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Speaker 1: heard them before. Samantha does a recap and then I

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Speaker 1: just go through my thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I do the recap because I remember less

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Speaker 2: from the game than you do, obviously much less, because

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Speaker 2: I remember I had to turn back to you a

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Speaker 2: couple of time. Was like, is this in the game.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So Samantha break it down for us. Yes.

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Speaker 2: We had a cold open with a several new people

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Speaker 2: and then quickly guess appearance and out, including Isaac has

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Speaker 2: and then he's like, what's happening? What's happening? And in

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Speaker 2: And then they never they don't actually know, in which

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry and taking your job. I gonna stop Uh

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Speaker 2: that guy from Nickelodeon, Josh Peck Josh Peck, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Cut back. It's because we have a very sweet scene

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So they go and put and they find a

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Speaker 2: Isaac torturing. That is correct. Oh, I think I wanted

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Speaker 2: We have Isaac talking about William's Sonoma and very very

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Speaker 2: very fancy playing pants, which I would like some very

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Speaker 2: Uh, in which she was like, you know one of these.

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Speaker 2: And then you see it naked seraphied who is being

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Speaker 2: and one being old boy Nubi, which I know he

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell you. And at this point Isaac

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Speaker 2: Seattle because Ellie's like, they're killing each other. They did

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Speaker 2: So they come in trying to find They set off

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Speaker 2: No, that's my clicker, a bad noise anyway, But we

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Speaker 2: and this is a really intense scene. They go into

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Speaker 2: So they're running through. Uh, Dina and Ellie, they're going

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Speaker 2: the Ellie's pushing and pushing and pushing and Dina's coming

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Speaker 2: very very unhappy. She is watching. She is pointing guns

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Speaker 1: Like he has that vibe of someone you just can't

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00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: He feels really logical, but in a way that feels unpredictable,

429
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: which is strange. But I think, you know, that's one

430
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: of the reasons he killed the person who was torturing,

431
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: because he realized that he's not going to give anything

432
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: else up. This is just a waste of time. It

433
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: was a very logical decision in his mind, I think,

434
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: But it was also very That whole thing was very dehumanizing,

435
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: which is supposed to be. But when you look at

436
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: the new recruit, it's really sad because in the beginning

437
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: he was sort of like bright and you know, why

438
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: do you call them voters and probably would have gotten

439
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: brainwashed in Fedro as well, But now you see it

440
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: with wolves, and it's just he looks so much like

441
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: a shell. It's just sad. And there were a couple

442
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: of other things about this. This is a very you know,

443
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: I feel like Isaac is leaning into the very z

444
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: or the thing that's gonna come up a lot. But

445
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: he says at the beginning, before he murders everybody in

446
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: the truck, protocols to obey your commanding officer, period the end,

447
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: and that's something that he's gonna That was part of

448
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: his whole thing, all right. So jumping to completely different topic,

449
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: Dina is pregnant. Yeah, we weren't sure they were gonna

450
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 1: do it, but then she threw up and we all

451
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 1: were like, yep, she's pregnant. Which I remember somebody a

452
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: listener wrote it and was like, you should do you

453
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: all should do an episode on the use of pregnancies

454
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: or like throwing up and pregnancy is a type of

455
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: why can't we a woman just throw up? Why is

456
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: it always like, oh, she's right, But in this case,

457
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: we happen to know she probably was. I did find

458
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: I found it interesting that they had that scene at

459
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: the farm receive because we talked about in the first

460
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: season where it was surprisingly not even shocking, but just

461
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: like oh, where they included the Diva cup and in

462
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: here they had the they had like the yeast infection tests.

463
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: I imagine they can't bathe as much as such, so

464
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: I think.

465
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: Tina took it. I feel like I would. And also

466
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: somebody did the slew thing and found out they use

467
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: the right label for because two thousand and three is

468
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: when the world ended in this game, and they were like, no,

469
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: that's Monsters two thousand and three. That's correct, thank you. Yeah,

470
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: that's what's according to them. I don't know. I okay.

471
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: So this is actually a pretty big shift though, and

472
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: from the game and the show and the show it's

473
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: a very like, I don't know it is it is.

474
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: It's happy. Ellie's like, I'm going to be a dad.

475
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm envisioning this future, Jesse's gonna be involved. Like it's

476
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: a very happy relevation in the game, it is not

477
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: at all. They get back, they get to the Theater,

478
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: which is their home base by the way from here

479
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: and Now, and that's when Ellie reveals she's got the immunity.

480
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: They go through that whole thing, and then Dina says,

481
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. Don't worry, it's not yours.

482
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: Ha ha ha ha.

483
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: And then Ellie gets really angry and is like, why

484
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: didn't you say anything? When did you suspect? And Dina says, well,

485
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure and I didn't want to be a burden.

486
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: And Ellie says, well you have burden now, aren't you.

487
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: And then they separate and go to bit angry as.

488
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: We say why you gotta do or like that tell

489
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: the peoples.

490
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Well, I mean no, it's interesting because that was a

491
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: huge shift. That's very different. I have my suspicions as

492
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: to why they did that, but I was surprised at that.

493
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: I was nice, I was like, oh this is okay,

494
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: this is a pleasant turn. But that was a big difference.

495
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: And then yes, the whole Dina and Ellie relationship kind

496
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: of came about differently. I did want to include in

497
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: here again. I found another article. Capitol Hill in Seattle

498
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: is a place of like a lot of gay history.

499
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: It's a very important gay space throughout history, and it

500
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: has a lot of pride sympoles. We went to visit them. Yes,

501
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: there was a neo no plot about bombing the area

502
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: because of this at one point, and some people have

503
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: said that's why. Dina says, I thought it was supposed

504
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: to be bombed, and Ellie says, I guess not. I'm

505
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: not sure if that's true. But anyway, so when the

506
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: pandemic would have been happening at this time, it was

507
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: George W. Bush was about to be re elected in

508
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, and he ran on a whole

509
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: thing of preventing gay marriage. It was this huge that

510
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: was a huge push. So it makes sense that in

511
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: all of that time that's passed since then, they wouldn't

512
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: recognize like the Pride symbols, they wouldn't know what that was.

513
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: I also do love that they made clear that Dina

514
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: is bisexual, because there's so much birature. We know, we've

515
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: talked about that, so I really like that they went

516
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: out of their way to be like, no, I like boys,

517
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: I like girls, and kind of talking about that homophobia

518
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: of her mom telling her, no, you just like boys,

519
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: and Ellie's saying, so you were scared, saying in a

520
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: very understanding way, not accusatory way, and uh not all

521
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: almost gonna be brave like you, And Ellie says, I'm

522
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: not brave, I'm obvious, which I think is very I

523
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: think that's correct. But I also like that too, because

524
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: sometimes that can feel like, you know, when someone's like,

525
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: you're so brave, like, I'm just being myself. I don't know, right,

526
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm just existing. Thanks, Yeah, but I do so. I

527
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: liked how that was handled. And they are very cute.

528
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: They're very they're very cute. Again, they're messing with my

529
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: head with these titles. This title was ariginally Secrets, and

530
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: they both have secrets. So Ellie having to hide the infection,

531
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: Dina feeling like she had to hide her bisexuality, and

532
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Ellie has this flying little things. Little things are little

533
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: until you start to until you start to hide behind them,

534
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: and they become big things. So I think that's I

535
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: think that's an interesting parallel between them, of the feeling

536
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: like you have to hide this really important part of yourself,

537
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: Ellie saying like she burned her original bite because she

538
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: wanted to wear short sleeves again. But yeah, them talking

539
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: about this life together and having Jesse evolved. I was like, oh,

540
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. I love this.

541
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: I do.

542
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Honestly. I love I've been reading so many articles where

543
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: they're like, this character is more likable now, and I

544
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: liked them before. So I always have loved Jesse, I

545
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: liked Dina. I love like it's just like, yeah, there's

546
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: no I like this in this love triangle that there's

547
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: not really a villain, right. I like that. It's nice.

548
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: But yes, Ellie's secret is out with the immunity. It

549
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: comes out differently in the game because in the game,

550
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: they have scores, which more on that in a second.

551
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: But her gas mask gets broken and Dina's trying to like,

552
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: we can share a gas mask and Ellie's like, no,

553
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm immune. But in this she gets a bite again.

554
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: She says, you know, I would, I would sacrifice my

555
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: life for you. But that's not what just happened. I'm

556
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: actually immune. A lot of times I wish this wasn't true.

557
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to wake up exactly as I am right now.

558
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: Me of note, in the game, I don't know what

559
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: they're going to do in the show. But of note,

560
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: in the game, Ellie can't infect anyone or give anyone

561
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: immunity without perhaps that vaccine that you know got destroyed,

562
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: but otherwise she can't do it. She did try to

563
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: do it and season one, yeah, yeah, but yeah, I would.

564
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: I would fail that not shaking tests that she did

565
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: any day, like any day of the week where she

566
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: wakes up and she's like, I'm not affected. See I'm

567
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: not shaking. I'm like, no, I fail. And yeah, Also

568
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: kudos to Ellie for being able to sleep like that.

569
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: I was like, what go pointed at her, like I'm

570
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: a sleep man, But I guess in the world they

571
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: live in. You gotta sleep when they can you adapt,

572
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: you adapt. Okay, So yeah, that brings us to the

573
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: end of kind of the main plot points. I do

574
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: think we'll see next episode is going to be interesting,

575
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: but they got a lot of ground to cover. So

576
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: here are my random thoughts. First of all, I did

577
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: not pick up on I should have the graveyard parallel

578
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: of with Abby and the fireflies and then Joel and

579
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: everybody who died in Jackson, but it's a very similar

580
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: scene and it's framed very similarly. And then something else

581
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: I read and I thought this was true because I

582
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: hadn't really pinpointed it, but I have felt it is

583
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: that killing in the show is very different than killing

584
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: in the game, especially a human person, because in the

585
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: game it's kind of it's a game. So even if

586
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: you're made to feel miserable for it later, which you are,

587
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: it kills are much less They occur much less in

588
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the show. So when Ellie like stabs that guy in

589
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: the neck and Dina shoots that person in the head,

590
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: it does feel more shocking than it would in the game.

591
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: But that being said, the second game did go out

592
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: of its way to make you feel bad because they

593
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,479
Speaker 1: introduce names, so you would kill someone and then someone

594
00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: would shout out like Mary no, like right yeah yes?

595
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Oh oh man. Another thing I I can't give too

596
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: much away about this, but there is a flashback that

597
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: better happened because they keep hitting at it. But that

598
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: involves a hat, and you can see the hat in

599
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: Ellie's room, so that is very exciting. It's a Jurassic

600
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: Park looking at if you want to look for it. Yes.

601
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: So going off of that, shout out to the prop

602
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: steam and set design on all of this. They really

603
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: have made just so many Like people said, they had

604
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: the monastatic backating right, the Valiant music shop, that's just

605
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: how it looks like in the game. The theater, which

606
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: I am going to assume almost ninety nine point nine

607
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: is not the actual theater in Seattle, it looks very similar,

608
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: So that is that is really cool. And the whole

609
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: scene where they're in the subway and the red light

610
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: and the flares, that's very much like the game. Oh

611
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: and the the weather station. It's a weather station. It

612
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: does look like that. A couple of game mechanics that

613
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: they kind of put in there. So one is when

614
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: Dina's counting the clickers she closes their eyes is counting.

615
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: That is like a listening mode in the game where

616
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: you kind of duck and you close your eyes and

617
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: you can listen. You can hear better, So that was cool.

618
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: They do crawl through a lot of tunnels in the game.

619
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: That is a mechanic and it can be very scary

620
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'd be a clicker in there with you

621
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: and it's not great. I don't like it. I also

622
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: have talked I've talked to people of this before. But

623
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: a really good game. Unless some games this isn't what

624
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: their vibe is, but for for a game where they're

625
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: trying to kind of nudge you, like you need to

626
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: go this way, they have really good game development lighting

627
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: and this is a good example of that, where like

628
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, there'll be a spotlight of something and you

629
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: need to go that way, or there's a red light

630
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: over here and you need to go that way, and

631
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: you might not even pick up on it consciously, but

632
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: that's that's what's happening. Another thing is during that subway scene,

633
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: you can pit the infected against humans, other humans that

634
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with. So like if the

635
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: wolf the wolves are coming for you throw the old

636
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: bottle over there and the clickers will run at them

637
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: and then you just sneak by. But sometimes they hear

638
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: you anyway, and then it goes horribly wrong, completely up

639
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: the wind. Yeah. Sometimes the map. Oh, anyone who's played

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Speaker 1: any survival game, you know you're always opening that map

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Speaker 1: like where the heck am I? And if you watched

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Speaker 1: the kind of What's coming next week, they did hint

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Speaker 1: at the spores. They're going to introduce the spores, which

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Speaker 1: is a way that you can get infected that they

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Speaker 1: have not done so far in the show. I also

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Speaker 1: have a suspicion of why it's getting introduced now. But

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Speaker 1: they also are really teasing you about the rat King

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Speaker 1: and I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: But one thing I do love about this game is

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Speaker 1: that they really mess with the expectations of a game.

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Speaker 1: They love to with you. They really really do, and

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it. Not everybody does, but I really do.

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Speaker 1: So they have a lot of things that you feel

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Speaker 1: as a gamer. You know it must go this way

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Speaker 1: and it does not go this way.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: I know I've famously said many times on here, this

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Speaker 1: game usually makes me cry six or eight times I

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Speaker 1: don't think the show will because some of those times

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Speaker 1: are specifically because you are complicit as a gamer. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll see, we'll see, but they love

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Speaker 1: to do that where you're like, oh no, I actually

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Speaker 1: don't make me and they're like, no, no, you said

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Speaker 1: you wanted revenge, didn't you.

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Speaker 2: You gotta.

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Speaker 1: Also the storm and like weather is going to become

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Speaker 1: pretty big. It already has been, but I think that's

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Speaker 1: going to become a pretty big thing. And finally, yes,

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Speaker 1: the cost of vengeance. Why don't you realize the stakes?

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Speaker 1: Do you still go? They see how much how many

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Speaker 1: wolves there are, they've got to go into that area,

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Speaker 1: and they apparently are like, yeah, let's do it, so

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Speaker 1: how far will you go? And they also Dina has

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Speaker 1: that comment like if we run into wolves that weren't

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Speaker 1: in Jackson, and Ellie's like, no, we kill them and

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Speaker 1: Dina's like, yeah, agreed, So how far will this go?

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Speaker 1: We will see. All of that being said, I know

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Speaker 1: this is a lot, but once it all comes out,

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Speaker 1: I do think there's a real benefit of a rewatch

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Speaker 1: because there's so much when you're watching it and you're like,

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Speaker 1: I know what's coming that it adds an extra layer

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Speaker 1: where you're like, oh oh no, no, oh no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah you tell me that, or you that I really

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Speaker 1: like but I know some people might not. But I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of people who told me they didn't

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Speaker 1: like this game the first time they played it. I said,

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Speaker 1: played again, and then they did because they think it

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Speaker 1: has such a kind of shocking. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: second time, you're like, oh, I get what this is.

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Speaker 1: I get what this is about. So just a note

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Speaker 1: on that, but yeah, very excited. Can't wait to see

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Speaker 1: what happens next listeners. As always, I've loved hearing from

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