WEBVTT - S1E12 - Malec

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Hello, Hello, dum welcome back Hello. Yes, indeed we've

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<v Speaker 1>got an exciting episode this time, we certainly do. And

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back Angels, Shadow fam to return to the Shadows.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, we're finally here, finally the episode of

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<v Speaker 1>the piece de resistance of season one. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>After what did we take two full days filming this

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<v Speaker 1>one scene that this episode culminates in. Yeah, I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>how much glass there was in the studios in season one.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a nightmare. So much glass everywhere, so much class. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's interesting is because then I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know as much about the technical side of

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaking and the things you have to think about and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. But thinking back on it now, just

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<v Speaker 1>the reflections alone must have been an absolute nightmare, nightmare

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<v Speaker 1>for for camera department to figure out. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Well shall we dive in? Let's so here we are

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<v Speaker 1>dumb at Season one episode twelve, entitled Malik, Very Simply,

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<v Speaker 1>very simply Malick, It aired originally on March. Written by

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<v Speaker 1>the Lovely Michael Reese and directed by James Marshall, guest

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<v Speaker 1>starring Allen Van Sprang, Maxim Roy, David Castro, John Core,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie Bennett, and Caitlin Leeb and co starring Stephen our Heart.

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<v Speaker 1>What a full house we have for this episode? What

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<v Speaker 1>a full house? And as for what we're in store for, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what more can be said than All You Need Is Malik.

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<v Speaker 1>On the eve of Alec and Lydia's wedding, relationships are examined.

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<v Speaker 1>The Institute is in full swing as everyone prepares for

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<v Speaker 1>Alec and Lydia's wedding, but not everyone is celebrating. As

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<v Speaker 1>relationships are tested, Clary and Jay struggled to come to

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<v Speaker 1>terms with their newly revealed past. Alec is confused with

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<v Speaker 1>his feelings for Magnus, especially when Magnus won't give up

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<v Speaker 1>on him. Magnus, Clary and Jay search for Ragna Fell,

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<v Speaker 1>a warlock who may in fact hold the antidote to

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<v Speaker 1>wake up Jocelyn. Ragna Fell. I'm so excited. We also

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that Adam Kenneth Wilson plays Ragna Felt. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, yeah it is. Oh, yeah, you're right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he is the ghost here. You're absolutely right. Wow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like you were in the show. So let's dive right in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't really talk about any the book to screen

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<v Speaker 1>stuff yet because it's all spoiler, so we're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to skip. Let's skip that for now, but fun facts

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about. Shot took place in September, which

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<v Speaker 1>is still it still blows my mind that we were

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<v Speaker 1>filming this such a long time ago. It's getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the stage now where I get recognized for playing Jace

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<v Speaker 1>and they someone goes, oh, you're Jace, right, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit like I was, yeah, many years ago. We're

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<v Speaker 1>getting to that stage where I can actually say that

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<v Speaker 1>Malick was a fan made couple of ship name for

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<v Speaker 1>Magnus Spain and Alec Lightwood. That's interesting. Was it surely

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<v Speaker 1>from the books? Though originally that must have been where

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<v Speaker 1>it came from. Definitely, all of the most of our

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<v Speaker 1>ship names, Yeah, with the exception of, you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones we created that we'll get into in

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<v Speaker 1>season two. And Um, a lot of these ship names

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<v Speaker 1>came from the book fandom Um. Magnus is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>siblings who are attracted to each other. He says, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know a couple in ancient Egypt. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a likely reference to Cleopatra whose famous romances may have

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<v Speaker 1>included more than one sibling, most famously and confirmed her brother,

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<v Speaker 1>whom she married Gross I didn't know that that's grim

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<v Speaker 1>because Constantine Film does not own the rights to the

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<v Speaker 1>bain chronicles mentioned of in Mars, the musician from Perue

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<v Speaker 1>who had a fling with Magnus bain In was technically

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed. So I wonder how we managed to get

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<v Speaker 1>away with that, because people tend to be very on

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<v Speaker 1>top of like when you make mistakes. I guess maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because it was just a fleeting mention and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>discuss the character in any way, I think so. And

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<v Speaker 1>also because he's a historical figure. Um, I think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me put it this way, if he really is

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<v Speaker 1>a musician from Perue, you know, in the way that

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<v Speaker 1>we pull in Cleopatra and the way that we pull

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<v Speaker 1>in was it Diplow that we said was a or

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<v Speaker 1>something Calvin Harris, Yeah, there you go, So, you know

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<v Speaker 1>we if it was one of those folks, then obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it has nothing to do with the books,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a bit fair game. But if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a book character that was created, that would be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I wonder, because I know that is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is it really? It's funny. Well, so the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>I typed in a Marsu Peru musician. All it comes

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<v Speaker 1>up with is Umasu and Magnus Pain. The first like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty results are just that well, I mean it was

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<v Speaker 1>Magnus beIN a real person. The shadow film will prevailed down.

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<v Speaker 1>We know this, yeah, well, exactly during the wedding scene,

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<v Speaker 1>the necklace of Lydia keeps disappearing and reappearing. This is

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<v Speaker 1>until she finally gets the necklace from Alec. That is

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<v Speaker 1>hysterical and I'm going to keep an eye out for

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<v Speaker 1>that when we're watching it. That's so funny. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>known well spotted whoever spotted that that is. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things that happened sometimes. Like wedding

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<v Speaker 1>rings is another one that's always a nightmare, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you're married in real life. You forget to take off

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<v Speaker 1>the real one and put on the you know whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>the fake one. But that's interesting, eglid fans keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye out for that. Um, we can't talk about book

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<v Speaker 1>to screen as of yet, so let's just dive in. So,

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<v Speaker 1>although there is one thing we can mention when Hodge

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<v Speaker 1>shows the picture of It's interesting going back to the

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<v Speaker 1>whole emassw thing in different book properties, because there are

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<v Speaker 1>three warlocks that show up at a certain point. And

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<v Speaker 1>another thing a lot of the book fans caught is

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<v Speaker 1>that one of them was was Ragnar Fell, the other

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<v Speaker 1>was Tessa Gray, and the other was Caterine a Loss.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are all warlocks from the books, particularly from the

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<v Speaker 1>Infernal Devices, although they are mentioned in the Moral Instruments,

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe that's so we've got to wear with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how legality works with intellectual property, like

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<v Speaker 1>because you wrote these characters, but they were in more

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<v Speaker 1>than one version of that stimulus. But if we're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to use a version of the stimulus that includes

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<v Speaker 1>those characters, then are we allowed to use those characters

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<v Speaker 1>because they were in another stimulus or we're not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to touch them at all? Who knows the legalities of this? Exhausting,

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<v Speaker 1>quite frankly. Anyway, shall we dive into the episode please.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's so. The episode starts with a very cross Jase,

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<v Speaker 1>so cross, so scary, grumpy, crumpy Chase. Yeah, I am

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<v Speaker 1>a crosspatch. I'm a crosspatch bunny today, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>largely because I'm a crosspatch bunny. Cross bunny before a

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<v Speaker 1>crosspatch bunny. Well, there you go. But yes he is crosspatch.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell because my jaw is doing that thing

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<v Speaker 1>that does across I'm doing the jaw clench. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>been many occasions where because the other thing is because

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<v Speaker 1>you're taught to do it on you when you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>stunts like if you're falling or if you're being dropped,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you're landing on your back with your front

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, they tell you to lock your draw into

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<v Speaker 1>place so you don't when you hit you don't close

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<v Speaker 1>your drawer in your tongue and bite your tongue. That's advice,

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<v Speaker 1>solid advice. I'm yet to do that, but yeah, as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of that and constantly being crosspatch, jas has

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<v Speaker 1>a tight jaw. He has a clenchy jaw. Well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get Jason face massage at the end of this episode

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<v Speaker 1>because he's gonna there's a lot more attention to go

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<v Speaker 1>before then we have There are some smiles that are

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<v Speaker 1>coming next, but it's a from an unlikely source, so

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<v Speaker 1>we Alec and Clary have a little bit of a reconciliation.

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<v Speaker 1>So Clary is watching over her mother and this This

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<v Speaker 1>is why I love working with Matt because he there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much spontaneity in little moments and little things

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<v Speaker 1>that he'll do and little mannerisms that he'll have. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know you, I mean, you got to work with

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<v Speaker 1>him so much. There's it makes it fun because you

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<v Speaker 1>always know he's going to bring something and bound something

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<v Speaker 1>in there. And this scene was the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>got to have a real conversation in a scene with

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<v Speaker 1>Matt without fighting with him. And uh, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this really nice moment and it's sort of foreshadows

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<v Speaker 1>this friendship that that Alec and Clary build because they're

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<v Speaker 1>both stuck emotionally in different places right now and being

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<v Speaker 1>pulled between different forces and there's an odd and they've

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<v Speaker 1>both made mistakes and they've both made poor choices and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the fact that they're able to take

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<v Speaker 1>a moment and acknowledge that it's a it's a nice

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<v Speaker 1>different color out of the both of them is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. What was what was Matt like? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you have a similar I guess impression when you did trust?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it called trust? Yeah, it's called trust. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting in that movie is the two of us

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<v Speaker 1>were playing entirely different characters, and so it was a

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<v Speaker 1>completely we We had become so accustomed to the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of butting heads brothers sister lee character relationship. We sort

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<v Speaker 1>of had to go is there? Because he called me

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<v Speaker 1>when he got offered the film and he's like, are

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<v Speaker 1>you sure we can do this? Because I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we can seriously look at each other in the

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<v Speaker 1>eye and flirt. And I was like, no, no, we

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<v Speaker 1>got this. And it turned out to be so fun

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<v Speaker 1>because after working with someone for so long, you work

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<v Speaker 1>with them on something else and you automatically have a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of technical shorthand of and especially with indie movies

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<v Speaker 1>things you're always crunched on time and you're always trying to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, make it work more efficiently. And with Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going, okay, so this is how we can do

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<v Speaker 1>and then if we and if I stand and you

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<v Speaker 1>go and okay, And even with the characters, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>nice to have someone that you, for lack of a

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<v Speaker 1>better word, trust and just can bounce things off of

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<v Speaker 1>and know that you can play and that that other

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<v Speaker 1>person is going to give you back the same sort

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<v Speaker 1>of energy that you're putting out there. Um, that's so

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that also I have another, I think, fun trust

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<v Speaker 1>bit of information. Yeah, Lucien, Lucien. I'm sure he won't

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<v Speaker 1>remember me. British rights from Manchester or he's from up

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<v Speaker 1>north somewhere. Yeah, so Lancashire, Yeah he is. He's from Lankshire.

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<v Speaker 1>Solution was one of the first British people I ever

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<v Speaker 1>met in l a and we won't he won't remember me,

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<v Speaker 1>but I remember cracking up. We were testing for something together,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe just auditioning for something together. I can't remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just like the two of us and

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<v Speaker 1>he went off and got a glass of water and

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<v Speaker 1>then came back in and was like, you know when

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<v Speaker 1>you drink water wrong and you're like choking, And it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the funniest thing. I thought, it was so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>You just put everyone in the room at ease. It

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<v Speaker 1>was such a nice guy. And he like choked a

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<v Speaker 1>little and got better and he went fucking I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that was the end of me. I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>die there just from drinking some water. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like everyone was just at ease from then,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've always remembered him for that, Like he's a

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<v Speaker 1>really really nice, really nice guy. So no, he was lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a fun film because we had a

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<v Speaker 1>whole cast of folks and and it was it was nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone was kind of down to play. And but we're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about that right now. We've got different issues

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with it. We we do, we do. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not about trust. It's about Malick, and it's always about Malick.

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<v Speaker 1>Magnus is such a great character in the sense because

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<v Speaker 1>he's so all knowing and so wise and so beyond

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<v Speaker 1>his you know, beyond everyone else in in his wisdom,

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<v Speaker 1>but he still falls victim to very human vulnerabilities and tendencies.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Alec was to see him in this next scene,

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<v Speaker 1>he's clearly as sexy as he's ever been and he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to drink in his hand. He set the mood

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<v Speaker 1>and it just makes me so happy. Yeah, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fun it's a fun leading scene. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's read the books knows. Any fans of our

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<v Speaker 1>show that read the book, they know, they know where

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is going, they know what's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't know how it's going to happen or but

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<v Speaker 1>they know that sort of this new partnership is going

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<v Speaker 1>to spring. And I guess for the the audience, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the audience that hadn't read the books, which I I

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<v Speaker 1>really enjoy talking to those people because they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of preconceived notions or these expectations of the

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<v Speaker 1>show or the relationships. So it's really interesting to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to those people and they go, oh, yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite episodes because we didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to choose, like we didn't know that,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a real testament to the two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry and Matt. Matt for showing this like fortitude in

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<v Speaker 1>alec No, my decision is made. It's this is difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is my decision. I'm doing this. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Harry with this like frustration with the sort of tempting

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<v Speaker 1>and flirting and the understanding of what it's like to

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<v Speaker 1>be a young gay man trying to live I guess

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<v Speaker 1>in shoes that don't fit him. So the two of

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<v Speaker 1>them do this this really wonderful like dance, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>interesting talking to fans who didn't know how this was

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<v Speaker 1>going to end. Who say, yeah, we genuinely didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. We had no idea which way this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to end. Um which is great. Good on

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, and it's great, and we'll talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>that when we get to the moment to which you're referring.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this been It's been such a nice arc over

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<v Speaker 1>these last few episodes to see the push and pull

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<v Speaker 1>and and and to see a lot of these vulnerabilities

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<v Speaker 1>in both of these characters, and and kind of I

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<v Speaker 1>think it sets the foundation for much in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way that it sets the foundation for the parable relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>the trials and tribulations you've been through, it sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sets the foundation for the future of these two characters

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<v Speaker 1>as well, know very much. So. Um So, after our

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<v Speaker 1>little fun flirty moment between the two of them, we

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<v Speaker 1>we dive into a Simon Clary scene which she doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>waste much time, does she bloody hell, like, just found

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<v Speaker 1>out that the love of my life can't happen. So

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, Hey, I know another date that I can

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<v Speaker 1>invite to this wedding. Crikey. Honestly, good for Simon, good

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<v Speaker 1>for you, mate, But I think what that actually is

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's less about oh, one day it's gone, let

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<v Speaker 1>me find another one. And I think it more comes

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<v Speaker 1>from the fact of Clari and Jace are both reeling

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<v Speaker 1>because they clearly both thought one perception of this relationship

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<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly going, oh, it's my brother, so no,

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<v Speaker 1>that can't happen, and sort of pushing that away and

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<v Speaker 1>shutting that door because otherwise it doesn't make any sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and and just needing some comfort. She needs some something

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<v Speaker 1>that feels normal, something that kind of grounds her, especially

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<v Speaker 1>since her mother is still stuck and we don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know what's happening with that and could potentially be gone forever.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, you need someone who who knows you,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's trying it desperately to still hang on to

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<v Speaker 1>who she was and who she is, and some semblance

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<v Speaker 1>of comfort for lack of a better word, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>Simon's always Simon, Poor Simon, always a bridesmaid. Until the

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<v Speaker 1>end of season three. We'll get there. We'll get there

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<v Speaker 1>for you, buddy, We'll get their buddy. Bless him. They like,

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<v Speaker 1>is he paler in season one than he was in

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<v Speaker 1>season two? Is that a change we made? So all

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<v Speaker 1>the vampires are. They did the vampire makeup a little

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<v Speaker 1>differently in season one because and you see it most

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<v Speaker 1>on David Castro. You see it mostly on him in

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<v Speaker 1>his first episode because it was very white and then

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<v Speaker 1>so it's one of those things like the Ruins and

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<v Speaker 1>the swords. They slowly but truly figured it out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting transition because he's got quite olive's skin naturally,

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<v Speaker 1>David Castro has quite sort of olive colored skin. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's that's that's the one for me where I see

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<v Speaker 1>it very much, so, especially in those early episodes. But

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<v Speaker 1>I just noticed it in Alberto a little there. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, good buddy on the video games, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to get outside. Man, you're like a little pale. I mean,

0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.120
<v Speaker 1>we all got a little pale. It was try seriously, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that first season like only saw the sun when I

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<v Speaker 1>was when they decided we were going to film during

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<v Speaker 1>the day outside. Actually, this is one of the very

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<v Speaker 1>few episodes that we filmed during the war that I

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<v Speaker 1>filmed early on. You and Matt and Alberto had quite

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<v Speaker 1>a few daytime outdoor scenes, but I didn't have very

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<v Speaker 1>many at all in this season, and this episode we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to that that house you remember, Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>just gorgeous out. So what happens next time? Next we

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<v Speaker 1>move into plan mode again. We need to get into

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<v Speaker 1>planned mode. Ah how just Ted talk? Just Ted talks.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are three people sat at a table at

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<v Speaker 1>the institute who do not want to be sat at

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<v Speaker 1>a table in the center of the institute, Jason and

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<v Speaker 1>Clary for very obvious reasons. And Magnus is in the

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<v Speaker 1>one place that he does not want to be right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He does not want to be surrounded by this enamoring

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<v Speaker 1>young man's wedding plans. He does not want to see

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<v Speaker 1>Alec after their previous conversation. So it's three people in

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<v Speaker 1>a very uncomfortable state and Hodge ignoring that and talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the mission. Bless him, Hodges, and I just love

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<v Speaker 1>how John Core approaches this because he's so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>have information and to be able to teach and share,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's like that teacher that always makes you

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<v Speaker 1>excited to go to class and excited to learn things

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<v Speaker 1>because they're into it. And yet everybody else is just

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<v Speaker 1>Freddie foreshadowing again, Freddy foreshadowing again. Hodge is such a

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<v Speaker 1>nice guy. Oh yeah, Hodges the best We love Hodge.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you love Hodge. We all love Hodge, We trust Hodge,

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<v Speaker 1>we would try by Hodge. We all want more. John Core, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw the image that you were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>with these three warlocks. Um. He actually he does an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing job with the so the the screens that we use,

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<v Speaker 1>those screens in the institute, those big screens and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the iPads and everything. None of those were touch

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<v Speaker 1>screen in any way, shape or form. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>just TV screens, that's all they were. So everything we

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<v Speaker 1>did there was a graphic that played on the screen

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<v Speaker 1>that we had to time with everything else. And John

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the ones who made it look really effortless.

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<v Speaker 1>He made it look like there at no point in

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<v Speaker 1>I like, oh, there's that weird delay where it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>quite happen right away. He always got that timing exactly

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<v Speaker 1>right and makes it look really really good. And what

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<v Speaker 1>he's pulled up is the three of your of your warlocks,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Katrina lost Ragna Fell and her name's cut off,

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<v Speaker 1>But did you say Tessa Gray was the other one.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are three warlocks and we're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out which one is more powerful than Magnus pain, and

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<v Speaker 1>which one could have cast this charm the spell made

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<v Speaker 1>this potion for Jocelyn that she drank and green and

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:16.280
<v Speaker 1>in a bubble when all green and bubbly. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>so much awkward in this scene. And I had forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>how awkward the awkward because we got so far past

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<v Speaker 1>it by the end. But it's you could cut that

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:31.800
<v Speaker 1>tension with that nice oh yeah, yeah, how's your doing? God? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those days where it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was so sore. Yeah, not happy. Nobody's happy except

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<v Speaker 1>for except for Hodge, who's just oblivious to all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Bless him. He's just living his life. Yeah, And then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course you just to make matters worse. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be far too easy if Magnus Spain would have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of the institute without bumping into the

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<v Speaker 1>happy couples. Of course, and again credit to Stephanie because

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<v Speaker 1>she once again is plays this kind of delicate situation

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<v Speaker 1>in such a lovely way of trying to be gracious

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to not make it awkward, and yet everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of arrested by the tension in the room. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we have more attention by adding more characters than nobody

0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.800
<v Speaker 1>wants to talk to each other. There's like eight people

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<v Speaker 1>in this room right now, and four of them don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to the other four. And there's all

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<v Speaker 1>these crossed purposes. Bloody nightmare, a nightmare. Good Lord, attention.

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<v Speaker 1>That's enough, Thank God. The scenes over and we're done.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's move on. Let's move on submission stuff. No more

0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.960
<v Speaker 1>tension for me, Oh yeah, no more attention. Missions are

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<v Speaker 1>never tense. Let's let's go out into the English countryside

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<v Speaker 1>and go out. Honestly, that's Jason's like wheelhouse, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he gets tense, like watch him like this

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<v Speaker 1>is This is something that Darren and I discussed this

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fervently about how Jason's movements and the way he

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<v Speaker 1>fights is like has this flu medity to it, so

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<v Speaker 1>it has this um he's it's like walking or like breathing,

0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's that's that is where he's the most comfortable. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't remember if it was Darren and myself

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<v Speaker 1>who brought it up. We wanted it to be like

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<v Speaker 1>you know how Captain Jack Sparrow walks on land and

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<v Speaker 1>he walks like he's drunk, but when he walks on

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<v Speaker 1>a boat, he walks perfectly, and that's because he spent

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<v Speaker 1>so much time on a boat that he feels comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>on a boat, and when he gets on land it

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<v Speaker 1>feels weird that there isn't that motion, and we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wanted an element of that with Jace, where he

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<v Speaker 1>is most comfortable when he's holding his sword, when he's

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<v Speaker 1>about to go into action, like that's what makes sense

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.520
<v Speaker 1>to him. That's all that makes sense to him. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's funny that you say, like, you know,

0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 1>the battle fields never tense. It's always tense because it's battle,

0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:45.440
<v Speaker 1>but like in Jason's head, that is that's like that's

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<v Speaker 1>the norm, Like that's where I feel most at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it is when I'm charging into you know, potentially

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<v Speaker 1>certain death. Yeah, well it's pretty you know what to

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.720
<v Speaker 1>expect you're not going to get because that's where as

0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you said, that's where Jakes is comfortable. And it's the

0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 1>emotional vulnerability is not the physical ones that sort of

0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 1>put him off of his balance, um for lack of

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<v Speaker 1>a But what's interesting about this, though, is we're dealing

0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>with a bit of both. Because of course you have

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<v Speaker 1>the wonderfully quippy Magnu Spain who is just poking the bear,

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.720
<v Speaker 1>poking the elephant in the room as it were just

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:22.440
<v Speaker 1>poking it just a little bit. Goddamn Yeah, much to

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<v Speaker 1>our chagrin that we did not film this in London.

0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I wanted this to be filmed in London. It was

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<v Speaker 1>only four of us. Take us over to London. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me have a little vacation at home, Seema peeps. There

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.720
<v Speaker 1>are beautiful fields and beautiful houses that we could have

0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.680
<v Speaker 1>used for this, and they were like, nope, absolutely not.

0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>You hold fire in season three, will go to Paris. Um.

0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:49.560
<v Speaker 1>We didn't know that yet, No, we didn't. But something

0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I sort of want to set the tone because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks we know this, but the folks at

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.160
<v Speaker 1>home don't necessarily know this. When we were shooting this scene,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember, we were out in

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<v Speaker 1>this big field, which we hadn't done a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>During the day, we had this big crane shot, all

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.560
<v Speaker 1>these special effects shots to do. We had a big,

0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 1>big day ahead of us, and of course, as is

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the fashion in September in Toronto, there was a storm

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.760
<v Speaker 1>front rolling in and literally we could see so much

0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of the sky that Pierre are a d s our

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 1>first a D was going, guys, we have we have

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes before torrential downpour to get this entire scene

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and all of the shots and the crane shot and

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<v Speaker 1>the all of the things that we needed to accomplish

0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>for this scene, which was a big scene and sort

0:23:30.880 --> 0:23:34.359
<v Speaker 1>of the catalyst for the whole episode. And there's a

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 1>reason that we're talking so very quickly throughout this entire

0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>scene because they're like, all right, the three of you,

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 1>just pump out that dialogue and get it done so

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<v Speaker 1>we can move on. The reason there's no close you

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 1>actually you if you the scene where we've disappeared, which

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>just popped up and it's just you and you're like, okay,

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 1>that's where are you doing your little like Velma from

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Scooby Doo thing? Um, you have clearly been rained on.

0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>You were very obvious and rained on. If you look

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:03.800
<v Speaker 1>at your hair, actually you should you should do your

0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 1>hair like this more. It looks great with the little

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>like the sort of the plot I guess down the back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, credit to Ryan Reid, who was our

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<v Speaker 1>hair department season one. He I mean, obviously we love

0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Nancy Warren, who did the rest of the show as well,

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 1>but Ryan sort of established so much of what the

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>world was and also bless him that day he was

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>out in the middle of that rain with a Beutane

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>curling iron, just trying to keep those curls in my hair.

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.119
<v Speaker 1>It's so funny, isn't it. It's so funny. What is

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.760
<v Speaker 1>necessary for? Like, no, no, this is what we want

0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>your hair to look like. It cannot be straight, has

0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to be curly. Why it was a book. In the books,

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Clary has naturally curly hair. Yeah, and so we wanted

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to sort of obviously I don't have naturally curly hair,

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>and sort of, you know, giving me a perm or

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a wig. That was kind of the closest thing we

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>could do to have that sort of wild mane that Claire.

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.440
<v Speaker 1>That's fair, that's fair. If it's if it was book necessary,

0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>then that's fair enough. This brings us fairly neatly through

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the selective the selective fire too. This scene is so fun.

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>This is such a fun scene. He does such a

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>fantastic job. I remember reading it for the first time

0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and there's sort of two pages of dialogue before we

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 1>get to the reveal of what's happening in this scene,

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:28.879
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, that's so funny. We have

0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>like a schizophrenic warlock. That's such an interesting not funny,

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>ha ha, funny interesting. Um, that's such an interesting take

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>that we have thrown in a warlock who is battling,

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:41.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, with this as well before we reveal that

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not the case. But it was so well written.

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.639
<v Speaker 1>And then he does such a good job telling this

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 1>story without obviously without us there. Um really fantastic. And

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.159
<v Speaker 1>I think did I even say what was it in

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the script? I can't really remember, um, but I feel

0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 1>like someone wrote Jason Magnus lines in so he knew

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>that what he was reacting to. I think you guys

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.679
<v Speaker 1>might have done that on the day. Yeah, I think

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:09.199
<v Speaker 1>you guys might have spoken about that on the day

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>because I think that was from Adam because if I

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:13.880
<v Speaker 1>remember correctly, Look again, we say this all the time.

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 1>We have all these guest stars that come in and

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>they're so flipp and fantastic that they dive in and

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>they bring so much to these characters and they commit.

0:26:23.880 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>And again we've had Harry who has been sort of

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>our only main warlock that we've seen, so he established

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>what warlocks are. And then you have Adam who comes

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 1>in and just takes it, keeps it consistent and does it,

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, to the level that Harry is doing it,

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>but makes it his own and makes it unique and

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>gives this It really speaks to the uniqueness of every

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Warlock because you know, that's that's sort of the mythology.

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Each Warlock has their own Warlock mark, and each Warlock

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 1>is sort of a lone wolf in in their unique

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:57.920
<v Speaker 1>abilities and their unique physicalities. And and Adam just personified

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that so well. But I believe that was a choice

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>that he asked for. I think he said what would

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you say and what would you say? Just so he

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>had something in his head that makes sense. But I

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.639
<v Speaker 1>had so much fun doing this first bit with the

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 1>pulling him out of the portrait and the way that

0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that I mean credit to our VFX team as well.

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>That was so well because that the whole portrait I

0:27:18.280 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>thing and people going in and out of paintings can

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:25.760
<v Speaker 1>be a bit. It's not always done seamless in films

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and TV. And if I look if anything is done

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 1>so often that there's a there's a like recurrent theme

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.680
<v Speaker 1>that it's not done very well, then you're like, this

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 1>is a dangerous ground for us to stand on because

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>it's already been done so many times to the point

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.399
<v Speaker 1>where sometimes it gets done quite poorly. Yeah, I agree

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 1>with you. Real credit to the guys for taking something

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>and sort of reinventing the wheel with it. Yeah, and

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>that's what it felt like. It felt reinvented because I

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't as I tried to watch this as a viewer

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>for the first time, I didn't see it coming. It

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sort of spoon fed to to me visually, which

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate. I also I forgot the tie in for

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the Book of the White, and this is a tie

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 1>into them the books as well, because we have the

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Gray Book, which is all the ruins in the Book

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>of the White is this infamous spell book, and I

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>forgot that. That's why we had to find the Book

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.280
<v Speaker 1>of the White, because it has the antidote for the potion.

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, the Book of the White. That's well, yeah,

0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.159
<v Speaker 1>that's why we're chasing down Ragna Fell. It's also I

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 1>like this like fun competition that they have, like a

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 1>similar thing between with the shadow Hunters as well, like

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>who's the fastest, who's the strongest, who's the best shadow Hunter?

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Like Warlocks have that too, and Magnus says, why is

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Ragna on that list? He's not more powerful than I am.

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 1>And there's this cool, like sort of sibling relationship thing

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 1>that they have there, which is really neat. So I

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>think with Adam, which I thought was amazing. So I, obviously,

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>being British, have a real ear for non British actors

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>giving a British accent ago and the same vice versa

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:57.880
<v Speaker 1>with Americans and especially American actors. Listening to British actors

0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to do an American accent, you can really hear

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>when things go wrong. And I he kept this up

0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>during the day and I was talking to him about England.

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 1>That's how convincing he was. I was talking to him

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>about England and eventually said something along the lines of

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>like how often do you get back and whatever, and

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:15.360
<v Speaker 1>he went, oh, no, no, no, I'm from here. I'm

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>from here. It's just the accent for the character. I

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, fuck me, man, holy sh it. Really, that's

0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>arguably the most impressive British accent I've ever heard in

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>my life. I was fantastic. Hey, if you can fall

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the briat, that's that's the sample of approval. Right, Yeah,

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>he was so wonderful just in and so game with

0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. I know they tried on several different horns

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 1>with him, and there's a whole thing later on. You

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>hear Magnus call him my little cabbage. And what that's

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a reference to is in the books Wrangner fellas green.

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>His skin is supposed to be green. It is what

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>he has that in the horns, which are his warlock mark.

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 1>And I think they tried him green, but they felt

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a hint of green in his in his makeup,

0:29:56.200 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's not green green. It's more like like a hue,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a green hue. Yes, it's a it's a hue and

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>a hue. And then of course we couldn't as soon

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>as we get just enough information to taste our our victory,

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>it all goes around. It's so close, We're so close.

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>He thinks he knows, he thinks he has something that

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>can help us. So close, so close. And then this

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>always bugged me. There are like two or three instances

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>in shadow Hunters where I was like, man, this is

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>how this person goes out? Really like this is this

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>one of them is with me in season two and

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in season two where I was like, wow,

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>really better about that? So bitter, I'm so upset they

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>ended up being what it ended up being. But this

0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>one really pissed me off because this was a Shacks demon.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>It was one little creepy critter that got him. It

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like some big, like elaborate and we're talking about

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 1>this person is one of the most powerful warlocks in

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the world, the High Warlock of London, and he gets

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>got by this, and I was just like a man,

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>We've got to give him more of a but nope,

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>he got got by this. But it's also it makes

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>it even more painful for Magnus because Ragner is a

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>bit of an agoraphobe and doesn't let anyone in and

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.479
<v Speaker 1>doesn't trust anyone, and Magnus, he even says it, wragner

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Felt is the only person or I'm the only person

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>in the world that wragner Felt trusts, and as soon

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>as he takes advantage of that trust, it kills him.

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's you know, it's it's Magnus feels responsible and

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.959
<v Speaker 1>then even more Clarity feels responsible because ultimately it's all

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 1>for her and her mama. Yeah, really rough. U. This

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>is a this is you know, we don't talk about

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>this enough. Dying on screen is fucking hard, Like, it's

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>really hard work to make it look convincing. The one

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>thing that no actor has ever done that they have

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>to try and recreate, you know what I mean is dying.

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>You've never We've never died, None of us have ever died,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>so we can It's nothing. It's not something that we

0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 1>can be like, Oh, I know, vaguely, where to do this,

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 1>how to put this in? He the two the two

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>my two favorite deaths on the show are Adam. That's

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a horrible thing to say, but there you are. Adam

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>does an amazing death, so like cold, dead eyed stare

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>into the distance, and we shouldn't really talk about it yet,

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>but I know, and he had a good one. But

0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about that again. We'll talk about that. This

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>heartbreaking scene is left off with a tearful Magnus saying,

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>just let me take care of my friend. And this

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>is one of those moments too, where Harry Magnus is

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>such a character that always has this composure for the

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 1>most part, but we get these little glimpses with Harry

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of just how talented he is as an actor, and

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>this was the first time I remember watching Harry do

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>his close up because we were standing off camera for

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the eyeline. And oftentimes, when you know you do an

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>actor's close up, the other actor, the scene partner, will

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>stand very close to the camera so that they when

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>they look at other actor, it's closer to the lens

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and they can kind of catch the full performance. But

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 1>we were standing and I remember watching the monitor while

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Harry was doing his close up and just being absolutely

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>full floored by his performance. Yeah, so brilliant. So we

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>come back to the Institute full of fire and Brimstone

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because we have been betrayed by somebody. There aren't many

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 1>people that knew where we were going, what we were doing,

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>why we were doing it. It was all done in secret,

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>largely to protect Ragna because he's a very secretive person.

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Also because we're at war and secrets are best kept secret.

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>So someone in the Institute of Traders, Jason convinces himself

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 1>that it is Lydia. Makes sense, It does it doesn't

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't it because he Jas doesn't really know Lydia.

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 1>They haven't really spoken or interacted sort of at all.

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Ja's just sort of sees her as like, you're from

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 1>the Cleave. The Clave doesn't like me, like the Cleave

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>is not a fan. They know that I'm good at

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>what I do, so I have this reputation, but I

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>don't follow your rules. So that's how he sees Lydia.

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:30.839
<v Speaker 1>So he has convinced himself that Lydia is the traitor um.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.160
<v Speaker 1>And then I believe it's Clary who says, let me

0:34:33.320 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>talk to her. You're too angry, let me talk to her. Well,

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it's Clarion Isabel. Oh, it's both of them. Yeah, it's

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Clarion Isabel. And I think again, we see this, this

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of team up, and this these two women that

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>are are going to become such a good team together

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in the future. This is one of the first glimpses

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>we see of them working together. I mean, I albeit

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>against Jason in this instance, but but working as a

0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 1>team to calm James down and kind of good cut

0:34:58.600 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>bad cupping him and Clary taking a moment and going, look,

0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to her. I'm the outsider. I'm Valentine's daughter.

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Let me take this is my responsibility. Let me let

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>me take care of this. I'll do the human emotional thing.

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You're two, you're two worked up. Let me take a

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>crack at it. Yeah, ironically too emotional to take on

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.839
<v Speaker 1>this task is Jace, Bless him? But and and then

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to that point. Then it goes into the scene with Lydia. Correct.

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I remember on the day this was one of those scenes.

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 1>It was at the very end of the day, at

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:34.759
<v Speaker 1>the very end of a week. We were running over time,

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 1>we were out of time, and by the time we

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 1>got to my close up, they came over to me

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and went, you have one take. Please hit your marks.

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>We have to pull the plug after this take. I'm

0:35:45.280 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>so sorry, which normally we get at least two, maybe

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>three if we're lucky, but I sort of went all right.

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest scenes of the episode. Lots of dialogue,

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 1>important story points. Let's figure it out. But you know,

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>it's a testament to our our camera operators and our

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 1>crew and everyone one because when it gets to the

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>eleventh hour we can pull together and work as a

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>team and make the scene great. And I love how

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:08.919
<v Speaker 1>this scene is written. We talked about this a little

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:11.080
<v Speaker 1>bit in the last episode and quite a bit with Lydia,

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's so great when you have two female

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>characters that are still put it odds, but they're put

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.920
<v Speaker 1>it odds in a way that is still mature, and

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:26.120
<v Speaker 1>it's it's never catty, and you know, it's it's testy,

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>but it's human. And you have these two women that

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>are having a real conversation and not just fighting with

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>each other to have to pit two women against each

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.800
<v Speaker 1>other as as you know, as the common case. Yeah, no, mature.

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Mature is a really good word. It is. It's mature.

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>It's adult. It's an adult conversation to have. It's not bitchy,

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>it's it's grown up. It's it's educated, it's eloquent, it's tasteful,

0:36:52.360 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's Yeah, these scenes, and especially the women in

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>our show were written like like real women as much

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>as is humanly possible within a very supernatural world. And

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's a real credit to the team we

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 1>we had creating these women and then obviously the women

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 1>who portrayed them, like it's you know, it's you can

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 1>only write so far until you get someone on screen,

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>and then it's their face, their body, their voice, it's

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 1>them doing this thing. So you know, credit to you

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.879
<v Speaker 1>and Stephanie the bext she did a fantastic job. Well,

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>thank you. It's I think the most important thing is

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>seeing the heart of both of these characters, and they

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.960
<v Speaker 1>both really are coming from a well intentioned place, but

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>are in a rather difficult situation. I can't remember what

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>said at the end of that, but I'm pretty sure

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>we figure out, well, at least you figure out that

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Lydia is not the traitor, right, isn't that what we Yeah?

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And how it ends up is actually a really nice

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 1>moment because they fight, they butt heads, and Clary goes

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to storm out and then turns around and goes, how

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>do I trust you? Because she genuinely she just goes,

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what, fine, if you're going to claim this,

0:37:56.320 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>how can I believe it? And very smartly, Lydia says, well,

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you're Valentine's daughter. I learned to trust you. Yeah, and

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Claire goes fair enough, but you know, in true, in

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 1>true short, red headed, bad tempered fashion walks of Lydian goes,

0:38:12.560 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 1>these people are my family, and I protect my family,

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>so do not cross me. Fair enough, and then leaves it.

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>That's fine, I'll believe you, but if you cross me,

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>you're dead. Um. I think we missed an opportunity with

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.959
<v Speaker 1>this next scene. That could have been a really cool

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>like Simon in a mirrored hallway doing like the dress

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>up montage of trying on different suits and stuff. I

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.319
<v Speaker 1>think we really missed, and I think alberts I would

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>have dug that too, like a full like trying on

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 1>everyone and then like clothes coming out of the water

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 1>one by one. Whatever. The truth is, he looks fantastic

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:48.959
<v Speaker 1>in one everywhere, So that montage is a useless piece

0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 1>of footage, but it could have been fun. It would

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>have been fun to see even Rafael go no, no, no, no, no,

0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>hey and try this, you know the whole let Raphael,

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>pretty woman who you know that? The guy who walks uh,

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:08.359
<v Speaker 1>speaking of pretty vampires, the guy who walks Isabelle into

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>this scene in the background. I'm not sure who this is.

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't here this day. Dude looks more like Robert

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Pattinson than Robert Pattinson. I'm saying, like this is wild,

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>like absolutely wild to me. He looks like facially lips eyes,

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:29.240
<v Speaker 1>knows his jaw line like that. If that's not Robert Pattinson,

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know what's what anymore. That's mental.

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely mental. Everyone checked that out. Yeah, we got

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 1>our pattersons. Rob came in and did a day he listen,

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>if we have Batman in the back of one of

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 1>our scenes, I am so happy, so happy. Yep, I

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>can die happy if if they had they had the Batman.

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, Oh my goodness. But also this

0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>is a nice little, a little link to future Sissy

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 1>because you know, it's it's one of the first times

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>since episode one or two that these two have interacted

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.399
<v Speaker 1>and you know, nobody's dying right now that they know of. Yeah,

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>which is it's such a rare thing. I'm already dead.

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Simon is dead and therefore cannot be dying because he's dead. Well,

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 1>what happens when vampires die? Do they die? They don't,

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.759
<v Speaker 1>They can't die. They just expire. It happens. How many

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:24.440
<v Speaker 1>vampires did you kill on the show? No? I know,

0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 1>But what do we goof into smoking? I know that,

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.640
<v Speaker 1>but what will we call it? Like we we can't

0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>be killing vampires because vampires don't can't die because they're dead,

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>dispatching them. Dispatching them is not bad. They just expire

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:44.800
<v Speaker 1>like a egg timer. There you go like an egg timer.

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:50.040
<v Speaker 1>They're just done. Um. We get a great scene, which

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>thank god we do, because we get to see Adam again. Yes,

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Adam comes back as sort of this force ghost slash

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.360
<v Speaker 1>memory from Magnus and we just get to see this

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>like fun relationship between the two of them. This like,

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>actually it is kind of caddy. It is kind of bitchy,

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>but in like a very brotherly sense, in the same

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of way that Alec and Jace can be at

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>each other's throats, especially in later seasons. They can be

0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>at each other, but in the in the way brothers do,

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.759
<v Speaker 1>in the way siblings do, and you get to see

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>this really wonderful and I one of my favorite things

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.839
<v Speaker 1>we do on the show is the lookbacks are more

0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.920
<v Speaker 1>ancient characters and they can talk about like, oh, I

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>hated this thing that happened in sixteen fifty or whatever,

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and the you know, it's that reminder of like, wow,

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>these people have been around for a listraal eternity. These

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>people have been around for hundreds and hundreds of lifetimes

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and experience more than any other creature on the planet,

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 1>which is really wonderful. But we get to see this

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:51.160
<v Speaker 1>nice dynamic between Harry and Adam again. Absolutely, and there's

0:41:51.320 --> 0:41:54.439
<v Speaker 1>a nice tie in. Oh that that comes later because

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>we flashed back to this a few times, so I'll

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>bring that up later. But you're right, it's it's a

0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>really lovely scene. And I love that you describe it

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 1>as a Force ghost. I think that's that's kind of

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>exactly what it is though, right, Yeah, we just can't

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>call it, Yeah, a Disney property, so we're not allowed

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to say that. I mean, we can't now on this

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>more so we can, I guess, So, yeah, did we?

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 1>That's right? We had is he is? He's wearing a

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars shirt in episode ten? Yeah? Were we just

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 1>allowed to use anything from Disney? Why don't we bring

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>like life? I did it. I had a reference. I

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:35.240
<v Speaker 1>had a Star Wars reference in season two with Simon.

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>It's all coming back to me now, how many other

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>pop culture references I managed to sneak in without anyone knowing?

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 1>That's great, we do a few of them. So now

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:50.240
<v Speaker 1>we get into the bachelor party, Yeah, Alex bachelor party. Also,

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>by the way, I don't know if is this what

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 1>you were going to say about location? Oh? No, that's

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>a good that's a good shout. I was going to

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about the music and just ask where they're supposed

0:42:59.880 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to be. Is this at the Institute? Is rent bar? Yeah?

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.879
<v Speaker 1>I think she rented out a bar. Um was sort

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of the idea, which is just a sort of amorphous

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 1>bar that we use for everything. So this was the

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>vampire bar, this was the Warlock party bar. It is

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>the same set. I think it ends up being like

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the sewers when we fight the Drevic demons, the like

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:27.399
<v Speaker 1>wormy demons in season three, that's here. Also, it's also

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the subway in in the beginning, and it's the boat basin.

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.839
<v Speaker 1>It is the boat basin. That's right when the boat basin, Wow,

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>we really did. And it's also the creepy Um. It's

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 1>also the creepy dungeon where the Iris rouses demon is. Oh,

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.919
<v Speaker 1>that's right. And I think it was the dungeon where

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Simon was a serial killer and killed Fisk. Yeah, I

0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:54.280
<v Speaker 1>think so, right. So yeah, it's amazing about this. Listeners

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.640
<v Speaker 1>who who maybe don't know, and if you do know,

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not being patronizing. I just would to explain to

0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 1>everyone knows, Um, we film an episode of a show

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>in anywhere between Like I think we've got The quickest

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>one was like six or seven days, and then the

0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>longer ones were like the pilot took like three weeks

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to film. Um so anywhere between that time. But the

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>turnaround between episodes is days. If that, if you're lucky

0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>you end on a weekend. If you end midweek, then

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday you're shooting one oh three, Thursday you're shooting one

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 1>oh four. And the set decoration team, who are in

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 1>charge of making sure that the sets look correct and

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>everything's whatever, they have to turn these sets around within

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.879
<v Speaker 1>that time. So let's say between two episodes, we're using

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 1>this location. The set deck team turned this from the

0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 1>hard Tale the vampire bar into this or into the

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 1>dungeon or into the basement or into whatever it is

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the subway in days, and it is unbelievable because they

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>look like entirely different spaces. Is absolutely mind blowing. Anyway,

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>so we move into the bachelor party. Is he being well?

0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:01.400
<v Speaker 1>But it's it's true that you say that, though, because

0:45:01.600 --> 0:45:04.040
<v Speaker 1>we were so lucky, because every time we walked into

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 1>a new set, it was a completely full, immersive world.

0:45:08.480 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 1>And I was always so grateful for our set deck

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:14.400
<v Speaker 1>team and for our set design and art department and

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:18.360
<v Speaker 1>everything that puts so much energy into every single detail.

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>I remember exploring sets three years in and finding something

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.440
<v Speaker 1>new that I had never seen before, some details, some

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>thing I could play with that was just completely brand new.

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I did a scene with Alberto in I forget if

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:32.760
<v Speaker 1>it was season two or three in the boat Basin,

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and he had this monologue and wanted some business to do,

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and so he just looked around the set and found something,

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and then found a rag and a thing, and suddenly

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>he created his entire scene from the set. We I

0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>we had it. I had. The big one I had

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:53.280
<v Speaker 1>was in season two when they sort of redesigned Jace's

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 1>bedroom or Jay Scott moved in the institute and was

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 1>in sort of the spire of the of the of

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the castle and the church. Um and I remember walking

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.879
<v Speaker 1>in that day and everyone sort of knew me well

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>enough at that point that they were like, Dom's going

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 1>to touch everything, just so you know, Dom's gonna play

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:11.400
<v Speaker 1>with everything in this thing. So everything in there was practical.

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>The punching bags were were like hard driven into the

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 1>roof so you could actually use them. The pull up

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 1>bars hard driven into the roof, so you could use them.

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Like absolutely everything in that room was practical and from

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:27.120
<v Speaker 1>the ground up built with Jason mind. And that's such

0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 1>a such an amazing thing to have that this much

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 1>thought is going into these characters behind the scenes. Really wonderful. Anyway,

0:46:35.239 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 1>we do, as Catwin mentioning, we get to move on

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to the bachelor party, arguably the best slash worst bachelor

0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>party ever, depending on what you were expecting. If you're

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>expecting reconciliation with your best buddy and that your best

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>buddy is going to be a best man and he's

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 1>going to stand next to you no matter what happens

0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:56.200
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of your days, then this is the

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>best bachelor party ever. If you were expecting booze and

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>yaga bombs and strip because this is not a good

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>bachelor party. But also maybe you have the wrong interpretation.

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Although the music is their music is great. Music is

0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>great music. The music is there also the word for

0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 1>best man that I still do not know, Sean Jean,

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I think never come across that before. Um, isn't it

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 1>a shadow ANSWER's word? Is it? I don't think I

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>thought so. I mean they just put it on my

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 1>script and I was like, all right, Um, let me

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>skip to the end of this scene quickly and see.

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:35.319
<v Speaker 1>I think it might be so June. We're learning all

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 1>sorts of things. Sugin yeah, yeah, God, how would you

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 1>even spell that? S a u j I n Maybe

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>let's see, Oh a rook Hue member serves in the

0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Heisian army as an archer. That doesn't seem right. This

0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>is probably another one of those words, though, Like even

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.360
<v Speaker 1>like parabat i. I remember talking to Cassie about the

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>word parabatai because it's only ever really been written down,

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 1>so I think it might even have been Cassie who

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>said she always thought it was going to be pronounced

0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 1>pera bartai. I think, oh, yeah, remember, Maybe it wasn't Cassy,

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was a fan who said that. But like,

0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>it's another one of those things. If surgin is a

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 1>shadow unter's word, which it seems to be, unless I'm

0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>spelling it wrong because I can't find it anywhere, I

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>bet it's some like really simple word that I'm just

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.279
<v Speaker 1>spacing on and everyone's seeing me, like you idiot. It

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.200
<v Speaker 1>means this, or it means something really rude, in which

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 1>case I desperately apologize. Oh as u g g E

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 1>n E s s U g e n e s.

0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. A sugin is a term used to refer

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to a person at shadow Hunter's wedding who walks the

0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>bride or groom along the aisle as their betrothed welcome

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>welcomes them to the latter. It's a shadow Unter's word,

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, let you go. Um so again. It's one

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.759
<v Speaker 1>of those words that we got to define it, like,

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>we got to pronounce this word however we wanted to.

0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>But the portants of this scene is the apologies between

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the two of them. You know, things got really dark

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:08.839
<v Speaker 1>between Alec and Jason, and I think they both knew

0:49:09.600 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 1>that there would always be a reconciliation, but when it

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 1>was going to come, nobody knew. So they were just

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:16.839
<v Speaker 1>wasting time that they could have had with their best

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>friend and their soul mate during this time which they

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't have. Um So, apologies all round and reconciliation, reconciliations

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>of these two, which I as an actor was very

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.560
<v Speaker 1>grateful for, because you know, we worked quite hard at

0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of making this relationship what it was and

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 1>then to sort of tear it apart was actually quite harrowing.

0:49:37.680 --> 0:49:40.200
<v Speaker 1>It was quite hard work to play like you have

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>this disdain for someone that you really care about. So

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad that we got back to you know

0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:49.279
<v Speaker 1>us again before Jace loses his mind a little in

0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>the next episode. Yeah, but to be fair, that's it's

0:49:52.760 --> 0:49:55.960
<v Speaker 1>very similar in the scene with you know Lydia and Clary.

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>It's very mature in the way that they both go

0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.319
<v Speaker 1>about doing this, and it's but it's also very human

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>because they're both caught in these weird situations with their

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 1>love lives, and it's it's not something as shadow Hunters

0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.200
<v Speaker 1>that they're used to talking about, and so the fact

0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:12.080
<v Speaker 1>that they can because they are the one person in

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the world that the other can be vulnerable with as

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.879
<v Speaker 1>their parabtie. So it's nice to finally see these two

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>warriors and these two people who have had to just

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:23.480
<v Speaker 1>keep it together for so long go, I don't know

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing, and I don't know how to feel

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>or what's happening. This is confusing and I don't but

0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I have you and sort of reaffirm that

0:50:31.760 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>bond that then carries through the rest of our series. Absolutely,

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's beautifully done. So credit to you guys. Thank

0:50:37.520 --> 0:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you very much. It's very sweet. We should stop talking

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 1>about the scene the scene of scenes. We should, but

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>first let me just mention one more thing, because we

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 1>go back to Ragner Fell and Magnus one more time,

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 1>and because this is sort of the catalyst that goes

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.360
<v Speaker 1>into the wedding, because Ragner starts talking to Magnus about

0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Alec and about love and about all of this, and

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Ragner goes Wragner tells Magnus to fight for it. If

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:25.439
<v Speaker 1>it's worth it, if love is worth it, you fight

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:27.960
<v Speaker 1>for it, and that is sort of the inspiration that

0:51:28.080 --> 0:51:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Magnus needs to do what he does next. But it

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.960
<v Speaker 1>brought up an interesting thought that I wanted to run

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.840
<v Speaker 1>by you and see what your opinion is. I wonder

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 1>if this is actually Ragner's ghost or if it's an

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 1>element of magnus subconscious memory of Ragner. I figured it

0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:50.080
<v Speaker 1>was a memory, yeah, because then it's, you know, Magnus

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:53.360
<v Speaker 1>convincing himself, and it's this is coming from within Magnus

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>as well from and you know, whether or not Magnus

0:51:56.440 --> 0:51:59.359
<v Speaker 1>is aware that it's it's his own subconscious that's going

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to know. I can't I can't let him go. Yeah, No,

0:52:02.200 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I always had sort of figured it was his imagination

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.160
<v Speaker 1>bringing him back, and like the force ghost element was

0:52:07.360 --> 0:52:11.719
<v Speaker 1>just a funny, like actual esthetic image to see. But no,

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 1>I had always assumed that this was like Magnus talking

0:52:14.760 --> 0:52:17.320
<v Speaker 1>to like what would Ragna do? Like what would Ragna

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.840
<v Speaker 1>say in this situation? And this is the embodiment of

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:27.279
<v Speaker 1>that which brings us fairly, neatly and finally to the

0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:30.000
<v Speaker 1>wedding of the century up until this point. It's the

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:32.480
<v Speaker 1>wedding of the century up until this point, which there's

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>there's more to come. There's more to come. We when

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I say, the writers agonized over this, set deck agonized

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 1>over this, costumes agonized over this, the actors agonized over this.

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And then actually being on set, we spent two days

0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>just filming this one scene, which is so uncommon in

0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 1>the film and TV world, at least in this sort

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:58.319
<v Speaker 1>of TV world, so uncommon, um that we spend such

0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.360
<v Speaker 1>a long time filming this scene, but had such a

0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 1>poignant weight to it, um and was such a big

0:53:05.160 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>part of our story that it deserved that time. It

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:16.239
<v Speaker 1>deserved that weight, um. And what transpires is so I

0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:22.760
<v Speaker 1>think some of the best acting, performing, uh, directing, editing.

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 1>Everything that was in this from you know, hair and makeup,

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.800
<v Speaker 1>costumes right to everything. Every single element of this was

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:34.680
<v Speaker 1>so perfect for what it needed to be and I'm

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 1>so incredibly proud of all of the people that were

0:53:36.640 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a part of it. And this is what I always

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.320
<v Speaker 1>go back to when I refer to the magic and

0:53:41.400 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the rarefied air and the lightning in a bottle that

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 1>was our show because it was as you said, every

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.840
<v Speaker 1>single department cared so much, and when it came to

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 1>these really big book moments, which we had several of

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:57.200
<v Speaker 1>throughout our series, there was a little bit of magic

0:53:57.320 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that happened when all of these elements blend did perfectly.

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And you just have from from hair and makeup to

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:06.239
<v Speaker 1>wardrobe to the acting, the cinematography, the set deck that

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>everything came together so beautifully to create this world and

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 1>this image and it it we got to live it

0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:16.719
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't feel as though we were doing a

0:54:16.760 --> 0:54:19.680
<v Speaker 1>scene and didn't feel as though we were working to

0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 1>do this. It was happening, And uh, it's so rare

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.320
<v Speaker 1>that you get that and you get the time to

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:30.800
<v Speaker 1>really do something properly. But you know, credit to the

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.040
<v Speaker 1>folks that gave us the resources to do that on

0:54:33.160 --> 0:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>the show, because these moments are important, so important, and

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:42.759
<v Speaker 1>it's I remember this happening. This, Like the reactions from

0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>everyone really tell the story of how much people cared

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:50.520
<v Speaker 1>about both of these characters and how much pride they

0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 1>have that theyre that they're you know, opening themselves up

0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to this. I remember my reaction and in my head

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:00.799
<v Speaker 1>obviously couldn't say this on the show, but in my head,

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, funk, yeah, buddy, good for you, fucking great,

0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and you can't say that out loud, but like, you know, yeah, yeah.

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:14.480
<v Speaker 1>But before we get to that moment, there's so much

0:55:14.560 --> 0:55:17.160
<v Speaker 1>that happens up until then, because not only is there

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.799
<v Speaker 1>this excitement in the air, but there's a tension because

0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:23.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone knows, you know, it's sort of the other elephant

0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:25.279
<v Speaker 1>in the room that no one's talking about. There's you know,

0:55:25.360 --> 0:55:27.400
<v Speaker 1>there's the Jason Clary elephant, which is sort of a

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.279
<v Speaker 1>baby elephant, but then you have the grand elephant, that

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:33.839
<v Speaker 1>is everyone knows that these two aren't necessarily at least

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:35.839
<v Speaker 1>all of our our characters know that these two aren't

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:40.520
<v Speaker 1>necessarily in love, and they're potentially committing to h a

0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.439
<v Speaker 1>bond that in the world of the Shadow Hunters, it's

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:47.400
<v Speaker 1>four lets you get there. It is to death Stylli's

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.920
<v Speaker 1>part because there are some ruins that are and this

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is a carryover from the books. There are some ruins

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that come and go and some things that you have

0:55:54.080 --> 0:55:56.919
<v Speaker 1>to re ruin on yourself. But the Wedded Union ruin

0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:00.160
<v Speaker 1>is one that is permanent. So no matter or what

0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>you do, unless you're exiled and d runed, that one

0:56:03.800 --> 0:56:06.920
<v Speaker 1>will be there for life. Yeah, it's a permanent bond,

0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:11.359
<v Speaker 1>like the para a type bond, well, semi permanent. Mm hm.

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.600
<v Speaker 1>There is a moment between you and Albertos. Yeah, over

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.440
<v Speaker 1>over your shoulder. It's one of my favorites from him.

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I just have to bring that out. Yeah I got you,

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:24.080
<v Speaker 1>buck you and yeah he does. He gives me a

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 1>little thing and I'm like, good for you, man. That's

0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that's that's really, that's what I would have done. That's great,

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 1>exactly what I would have done. That's awesome. But that's

0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the thing about the scene is there's all those little moments.

0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:38.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, you see you see Hodge and Mariss talking,

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 1>and you see you know, all the and there's there's

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.840
<v Speaker 1>the moment between um trying to remember the sequence of events.

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 1>But as we get into the wedding, yeah, we sort

0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 1>of dive in pretty quickly to the tension of like

0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:54.120
<v Speaker 1>this wedding is actually in full force, like it's sort

0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.800
<v Speaker 1>of it gets to that moment of like, does anyone

0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.720
<v Speaker 1>object to this wedding? Does he say that? He doesn't

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.440
<v Speaker 1>say that, right, does he actually say that? No? No,

0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>but she is putting the stelle to his hand, and

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:08.360
<v Speaker 1>then suddenly you hear the doors open and everyone looks

0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:12.279
<v Speaker 1>and there's Magnus Pain, which is my favorite entrance by

0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:14.840
<v Speaker 1>the way, because it seems like, I don't know, we

0:57:14.840 --> 0:57:17.160
<v Speaker 1>should have asked me about this. It seems like he

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.360
<v Speaker 1>thought he was going to come into like the lobby

0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and accidentally came into the wedding hall, and he sort

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>of has this like oh shit, oh no, this is

0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think I would be like here here. I

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>thought I would have an extra like thirty seconds to

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 1>plan this through, and here it comes. It's it's happening

0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:37.280
<v Speaker 1>in front of me, and it's so funny. I think

0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:40.320
<v Speaker 1>it's such a brilliant thing because he's like looking down

0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 1>as well, and then looks up and He's like, oh yeah,

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so good. That actually, I think is the moment they

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.360
<v Speaker 1>figure it out. I think as soon as because he

0:57:52.560 --> 0:57:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I think so too. Harry comes in. Magnus comes in

0:57:56.760 --> 0:58:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and sees Alcan, locks eyes Alex he's Magnus, and locks eyes,

0:58:00.640 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and neither of them blink. They just look at each

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:05.440
<v Speaker 1>other and don't really look around again. I think Alec

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:07.680
<v Speaker 1>has a couple of looks of panic later on, but

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I genuinely think that's the moment where they

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:12.520
<v Speaker 1>see in each other like I know what I need

0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:14.240
<v Speaker 1>to do, I know what happens here, I know what

0:58:14.280 --> 0:58:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the next step is. And then Lydia helps solidify that. Lydia,

0:58:17.760 --> 0:58:19.720
<v Speaker 1>being the hero that she is that you know she

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.600
<v Speaker 1>started off to the audience is kind of this bad guy,

0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>but really, Lydia is the one. Lydia is the first

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 1>one to say out loud that it's okay, I accept

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:33.000
<v Speaker 1>you for who you are. I get it, go do

0:58:33.120 --> 0:58:34.960
<v Speaker 1>your thing. She's the first one in our show to

0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:37.560
<v Speaker 1>say it out loud. Everyone else, you know, whether they

0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:39.640
<v Speaker 1>feel it or whatever, the first one who says it

0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:42.960
<v Speaker 1>is Lydia. That's the except for obviously Magnus. But that's

0:58:43.000 --> 0:58:45.400
<v Speaker 1>the first person who actually says it to it. Yeah,

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:48.400
<v Speaker 1>well that's such a testament too, because it it's sort

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 1>of not exonerates, but it gives Alec permission to still

0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to not leave Lydia hanging. You know, he has then

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 1>given the freedom to make the choice because he obviously

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:02.440
<v Speaker 1>is a good person and doesn't want to leave anyone

0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 1>at the altar because that's not a nice thing to do.

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:09.560
<v Speaker 1>But also, love in this world is is such a

0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:13.640
<v Speaker 1>huge thing, especially this kind of romantic love, especially for

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:16.120
<v Speaker 1>shadow Hunters. It only happens once, and they're all aware

0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 1>of that. Lydia has lost the love of her life

0:59:18.120 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 1>already and in order for her not to put someone

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.840
<v Speaker 1>else through that, she sees it in front of her.

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 1>She recognizes it more than anyone else does in that room,

0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's really interesting moment. But I love how

0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Matt and Harry play this because you truly, as an

0:59:34.360 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>audience member, if you don't know what happens, you do

0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 1>not know if they're going to fight or kiss or

0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.200
<v Speaker 1>yell at each other. He looks like he's going to

0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.440
<v Speaker 1>hit him. It does a little bit. If you don't know,

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of going, what's what's going to happen here?

0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.880
<v Speaker 1>What's going on? And it's brilliant because even for people

0:59:50.920 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 1>who know, even though I know what's going to happen,

0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 1>we got to see this for the first time. Do

0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you remember we were live tweeting this at free Form.

0:59:57.080 --> 0:59:58.360
<v Speaker 1>It was the first time we got to see it,

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and we all cheered, and it finally happened, and we

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:02.960
<v Speaker 1>got to see how it was framed oncount because we

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<v Speaker 1>watched the you know, the actual event happened over and

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again, but we didn't know how it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be framed, what was going to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>the music attention, We didn't know what was going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen there, and that was the first time we got

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<v Speaker 1>to see it, and we all, um, I would imagine

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, everyone watching the show all collectively cheered

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<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. Well, and you always see things on camera,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with Matt and Harry in the way that they

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<v Speaker 1>played this relationship out. There's there's little moments in their

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<v Speaker 1>eyes that you can't see you from across the room.

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<v Speaker 1>But even when Magnus comes in, when they when he

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<v Speaker 1>locks eyes to Alec for the first time, there's almost

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<v Speaker 1>a challenge that he kind of looks at Alec and goes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here, you're a move and and there's there's almost

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<v Speaker 1>a whole conversation that happens between the cuts, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a moment that happens with Clara and Jace

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<v Speaker 1>way later in the series that we'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>caught me off guard when I saw it back because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know we did it. But we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that later, later, much later, much later. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. I love how Maris to just energect. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to talk about Maris in this moment, just the

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<v Speaker 1>way she just interjects herself right in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>her son's relationship, of course, and Nicola does such a

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<v Speaker 1>good job at it too. Simon's little speech, Ellen, is

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<v Speaker 1>that what he says, Eline, that's it, Elane, his little

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<v Speaker 1>speech there is my it's such a Simon thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a hymn thing to do. And then and

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<v Speaker 1>this is also immediately makes it awkward by going and

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<v Speaker 1>then they don't know what they're doing next, right, Yeah, like, thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to hear that. That's exactly how we feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for telling everyone, and we get this. The

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<v Speaker 1>end of this scene is sort of brought together and

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<v Speaker 1>links into what's going to happen next Actually Jason accepting Lydia,

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<v Speaker 1>You're always going to have a place here at the Institute,

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<v Speaker 1>which I liked that they put in. I liked that

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<v Speaker 1>they gave us that like and I actually thought they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to bring it back come season two and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up not doing. But I liked that. Well, she

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<v Speaker 1>got another job, which is oh, is that what happened? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she got her own show. She's so sorry, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>go play soccer. Yeah. But but but something about the scene,

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned earlier, are all the reactions, not only

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<v Speaker 1>when the moment is happening, but then after, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>even you see there's all the kids are happy, and

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's doing and Isabel runs over and Clary's beaming and

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<v Speaker 1>everything's going on. Clarie and Jays have a nice little

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<v Speaker 1>moment where they get to reconcile and go, look, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in this together, so let's let's figure it out together,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're the only other person in this. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's a three shot of Hodge, Robert Lightwood and

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<v Speaker 1>Marris's Lightwood at one point where you see Mariss fuming

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there might as well be steam coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of her ears. Hodges trying to hide his smile because

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<v Speaker 1>he's just you know, given the under under the brow

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<v Speaker 1>thumbs up. And then you have poor Paulino as Robert,

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<v Speaker 1>who just looks like he doesn't know what to do

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<v Speaker 1>with himself. He wants to be happy, but he knows

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<v Speaker 1>his wife's gonna be mad, so he's just started avoiding

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<v Speaker 1>every thing. And it's my favorite three shot because it's

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<v Speaker 1>such disparate reactions altogether. Absolutely made me giggle. And what

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<v Speaker 1>a kiss, by the way, kiss for the ages. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>what a kiss. Just brilliant. We move on from this

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<v Speaker 1>sadly two A table full of magical shit, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>described script always playing with a dagger, table full of

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<v Speaker 1>magical ship, which leads us to unfortunately the book is

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of Camille, is in the hands of mischievous,

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<v Speaker 1>tricksy little mckeel, Camille mckille, Well mixed up there. That

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't great mckeel. That's what I called her. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>crazy she is. She's just all over the place. She's

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. So we got to go find Camille. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we know where she is she's laughed in a coffin. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not going anywhere, unlikely to have else got her

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<v Speaker 1>locked up. Yeah, but it's it's in her possession, so

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<v Speaker 1>we got to go talk to her to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>where it is leading to. Poor Lydia by hasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>taken her hair down from the wedding. An unknown and

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<v Speaker 1>unknown attacker comes at her from the dark like a

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<v Speaker 1>coward and smacks her. Smacks her silly, but what but

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<v Speaker 1>why does that happen? Cat? Why would someone attack for

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<v Speaker 1>Lydia the Mortal Cup? And who? Who would be so dastardly?

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<v Speaker 1>But then it brings us to a really painful but

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<v Speaker 1>touching scene that I remembered the scene, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>remember the actual dialogue, and watching it back again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a testament to our writers and how they thread

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<v Speaker 1>everything together and just create such lovely moments. Clary brings

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<v Speaker 1>out the j C Box because it's something that she's

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<v Speaker 1>hidden away, knowing that it's her brother's sort of putting

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<v Speaker 1>away that part of the confusing, all the confusing news

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<v Speaker 1>that's come out about her family, the fact that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I also have a sibling that died, so

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<v Speaker 1>I thought now I'm now he's sitting around in front

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<v Speaker 1>of me and knowing the pain of feeling abandoned by

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<v Speaker 1>your parents and feeling as though you were rejected by them,

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<v Speaker 1>and Clary, knowing who Jocelyn is and having seen Jocelyn

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<v Speaker 1>struggle her whole life, wants to give that almost as

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<v Speaker 1>a gift to Jace and say, look, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is you. You were not forgotten. You were not the abandoned,

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<v Speaker 1>rejected child that you always thought you were. Loved your

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. I always thought it said j G on

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<v Speaker 1>that box. If you look at it, looks like a G.

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<v Speaker 1>John Nath stupid. But it's interesting to see the role

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<v Speaker 1>reverse this. Yeah, it's it's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>role reversal, but it is. It's interesting to see this.

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, we've seen Jay's sort of shepherd Clary

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<v Speaker 1>through this the whole time and bring her back to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground when she's feeling lost and alone and abandoned,

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<v Speaker 1>and we get to see Clary do that just even

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<v Speaker 1>infantasmile for Jason this moment, even though it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>harder to touch that level of confusion. Yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Um we end this episode, so then the Lightwood parents

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<v Speaker 1>come front. I remember, Yeah, we get angry Mum and

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<v Speaker 1>slightly confused like from the previous times Dad, who's just

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<v Speaker 1>a bit like I don't get it. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>happy whatever, then that's fine. I really like that. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>that's such a real it's such a genuine like thing

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<v Speaker 1>where like people of a different generation are like, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, I don't really understand, but also good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all right with it, And I love that. That

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<v Speaker 1>was one of the I really loved that moment, and

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<v Speaker 1>Paulino did such a good job at just being like

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of behind the times dad, I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>such a wonderful thing. That was really great and also

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<v Speaker 1>a really nice moment for Alec to be like Earli,

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<v Speaker 1>They've got my dad for now, at least I've got

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<v Speaker 1>my dad. Yeah, I've got my dad. I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>sister and it's it's it's not. Something that I love

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<v Speaker 1>about our show as well, is that they don't shy

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<v Speaker 1>away from the difficult sides of these controversies and the

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<v Speaker 1>difficult sides of these situations. And I think that's why

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<v Speaker 1>so many people have connected to Magnus and alec story,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was very real. You have you know Maris

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<v Speaker 1>who's saying some really really cutting things. Yeah, but we

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<v Speaker 1>hear a lot of these kids talk about, you know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>their experiences with coming out to their parents or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Nicolo was their inspiration behind it because of

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<v Speaker 1>the journey that Maris goes through, because of the lack

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<v Speaker 1>of understanding initially, that grows into an understanding that gave

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<v Speaker 1>these kids the courage to do, um, what they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to do, which is really fantastic. It's a really wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>thing to hear. This leads us to finding out who

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<v Speaker 1>our dastardly villain is justly the rat, the more old heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, and this is what this is. I

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<v Speaker 1>think what drives Jace over the edge is that our friend,

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<v Speaker 1>our mentor our teacher, the one person that we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we could trust with anything, is a traitor, is an

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<v Speaker 1>absolute traitor. I Hodge furious, absolutely furious Hodge, Why you bastard,

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<v Speaker 1>you bastard? How could you? One book tidbit um that

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<v Speaker 1>we actually changed is that what is Hodges using to

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<v Speaker 1>communicate with Valentine the ring that he twists. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>sely ring that is used as a two way communication device.

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<v Speaker 1>There are two rings that exist, and if you twist

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<v Speaker 1>it one way, it's um done. And it's actually used

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<v Speaker 1>by Simon and Clary in the books when Clary is

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<v Speaker 1>with Evil j when Team Evil is happening and Clary's

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<v Speaker 1>off and Clary is in her own mind, she has

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<v Speaker 1>the ring and Simon has the other one, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how they communicate. But so I end up having that

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<v Speaker 1>in this because because we changed Team Evil, we never

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<v Speaker 1>used that. Yes we did. Did you have the ring?

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<v Speaker 1>I do? Oh? He did. Okay, that's the whole giveaway.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the whole thing. In the seat, in the

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<v Speaker 1>bone chandelier is the is the ring on my finger?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have to focus to keep it hidden? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I end up using it anyway for another day for now.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us on this wonderful episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Malick meant so much turn to all of us from

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<v Speaker 1>the Shadow into this team, and I know meant so

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<v Speaker 1>much to so many of you out there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for for coming along with us and

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<v Speaker 1>allowing us to to revisit the wonderful birth of this relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so true and obviously you know dom you and

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<v Speaker 1>I love what we do for a living, and we

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to tell these stories and do all

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<v Speaker 1>these wonderful things. But when you have a moment in

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<v Speaker 1>a story that has a greater benefit to a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people and and a real impact that people can

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<v Speaker 1>connect to and it it it does some real good

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. And I think Malick did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good for a lot of people and showed Matt

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<v Speaker 1>and Harry and the writers and everyone did such good

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<v Speaker 1>job at creating this example of a real, grounded but

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<v Speaker 1>also healthy relationship between two people and and how that

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<v Speaker 1>affects the people around them and the relationships around them.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we've heard so many stories of how

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<v Speaker 1>it's inspired people, and it's um. I'm just so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>to have been a small, tangential part of telling that story.

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<v Speaker 1>And thank you to all of you for loving it

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we did. Until next time, everybody out there,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming with us. By Angels. Return to the

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<v Speaker 1>Shadows is hosted and executive produced by me Dominic, Sherwood

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<v Speaker 1>and Katherine McNamara. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior

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<v Speaker 1>producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers

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<v Speaker 1>are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilion. Original music by Alex

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<v Speaker 1>Kinzy performed by Alex Kinzy and kath from McNamara, and

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<v Speaker 1>the episode was mixed by Seth A Landscape h