Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, dum welcome back Hello. Yes, indeed we've
Speaker 1: got an exciting episode this time, we certainly do. And
Speaker 1: welcome back Angels, Shadow fam to return to the Shadows.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we're finally here, finally the episode of
Speaker 1: the piece de resistance of season one. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: After what did we take two full days filming this
Speaker 1: one scene that this episode culminates in. Yeah, I forgot
Speaker 1: how much glass there was in the studios in season one.
Speaker 1: Just a nightmare. So much glass everywhere, so much class. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's interesting is because then I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't know as much about the technical side of
Speaker 1: filmmaking and the things you have to think about and
Speaker 1: all of that. But thinking back on it now, just
Speaker 1: the reflections alone must have been an absolute nightmare, nightmare
Speaker 1: for for camera department to figure out. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Well shall we dive in? Let's so here we are
Speaker 1: dumb at Season one episode twelve, entitled Malik, Very Simply,
Speaker 1: very simply Malick, It aired originally on March. Written by
Speaker 1: the Lovely Michael Reese and directed by James Marshall, guest
Speaker 1: starring Allen Van Sprang, Maxim Roy, David Castro, John Core,
Speaker 1: Stephanie Bennett, and Caitlin Leeb and co starring Stephen our Heart.
Speaker 1: What a full house we have for this episode? What
Speaker 1: a full house? And as for what we're in store for, well,
Speaker 1: what more can be said than All You Need Is Malik.
Speaker 1: On the eve of Alec and Lydia's wedding, relationships are examined.
Speaker 1: The Institute is in full swing as everyone prepares for
Speaker 1: Alec and Lydia's wedding, but not everyone is celebrating. As
Speaker 1: relationships are tested, Clary and Jay struggled to come to
Speaker 1: terms with their newly revealed past. Alec is confused with
Speaker 1: his feelings for Magnus, especially when Magnus won't give up
Speaker 1: on him. Magnus, Clary and Jay search for Ragna Fell,
Speaker 1: a warlock who may in fact hold the antidote to
Speaker 1: wake up Jocelyn. Ragna Fell. I'm so excited. We also
Speaker 1: mentioned that Adam Kenneth Wilson plays Ragna Felt. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, yeah it is. Oh, yeah, you're right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is the ghost here. You're absolutely right. Wow, it's
Speaker 1: like you were in the show. So let's dive right in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't really talk about any the book to screen
Speaker 1: stuff yet because it's all spoiler, so we're just going
Speaker 1: to skip. Let's skip that for now, but fun facts
Speaker 1: we can talk about. Shot took place in September, which
Speaker 1: is still it still blows my mind that we were
Speaker 1: filming this such a long time ago. It's getting to
Speaker 1: the stage now where I get recognized for playing Jace
Speaker 1: and they someone goes, oh, you're Jace, right, and it's
Speaker 1: a bit like I was, yeah, many years ago. We're
Speaker 1: getting to that stage where I can actually say that
Speaker 1: Malick was a fan made couple of ship name for
Speaker 1: Magnus Spain and Alec Lightwood. That's interesting. Was it surely
Speaker 1: from the books? Though originally that must have been where
Speaker 1: it came from. Definitely, all of the most of our
Speaker 1: ship names, Yeah, with the exception of, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the ones we created that we'll get into in
Speaker 1: season two. And Um, a lot of these ship names
Speaker 1: came from the book fandom Um. Magnus is talking about
Speaker 1: siblings who are attracted to each other. He says, I
Speaker 1: want to know a couple in ancient Egypt. This is
Speaker 1: a likely reference to Cleopatra whose famous romances may have
Speaker 1: included more than one sibling, most famously and confirmed her brother,
Speaker 1: whom she married Gross I didn't know that that's grim
Speaker 1: because Constantine Film does not own the rights to the
Speaker 1: bain chronicles mentioned of in Mars, the musician from Perue
Speaker 1: who had a fling with Magnus bain In was technically
Speaker 1: not allowed. So I wonder how we managed to get
Speaker 1: away with that, because people tend to be very on
Speaker 1: top of like when you make mistakes. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: because it was just a fleeting mention and we didn't
Speaker 1: discuss the character in any way, I think so. And
Speaker 1: also because he's a historical figure. Um, I think, well,
Speaker 1: let me put it this way, if he really is
Speaker 1: a musician from Perue, you know, in the way that
Speaker 1: we pull in Cleopatra and the way that we pull
Speaker 1: in was it Diplow that we said was a or
Speaker 1: something Calvin Harris, Yeah, there you go, So, you know
Speaker 1: we if it was one of those folks, then obviously
Speaker 1: it's you know, it has nothing to do with the books,
Speaker 1: and it's a bit fair game. But if it was
Speaker 1: a book character that was created, that would be interesting.
Speaker 1: But then I wonder, because I know that is, yeah,
Speaker 1: is it really? It's funny. Well, so the first thing
Speaker 1: I typed in a Marsu Peru musician. All it comes
Speaker 1: up with is Umasu and Magnus Pain. The first like
Speaker 1: twenty results are just that well, I mean it was
Speaker 1: Magnus beIN a real person. The shadow film will prevailed down.
Speaker 1: We know this, yeah, well, exactly during the wedding scene,
Speaker 1: the necklace of Lydia keeps disappearing and reappearing. This is
Speaker 1: until she finally gets the necklace from Alec. That is
Speaker 1: hysterical and I'm going to keep an eye out for
Speaker 1: that when we're watching it. That's so funny. I've never
Speaker 1: known well spotted whoever spotted that that is. It's just
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that happened sometimes. Like wedding
Speaker 1: rings is another one that's always a nightmare, especially if
Speaker 1: you're married in real life. You forget to take off
Speaker 1: the real one and put on the you know whatever,
Speaker 1: the fake one. But that's interesting, eglid fans keep an
Speaker 1: eye out for that. Um, we can't talk about book
Speaker 1: to screen as of yet, so let's just dive in. So,
Speaker 1: although there is one thing we can mention when Hodge
Speaker 1: shows the picture of It's interesting going back to the
Speaker 1: whole emassw thing in different book properties, because there are
Speaker 1: three warlocks that show up at a certain point. And
Speaker 1: another thing a lot of the book fans caught is
Speaker 1: that one of them was was Ragnar Fell, the other
Speaker 1: was Tessa Gray, and the other was Caterine a Loss.
Speaker 1: Who are all warlocks from the books, particularly from the
Speaker 1: Infernal Devices, although they are mentioned in the Moral Instruments,
Speaker 1: And maybe that's so we've got to wear with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how legality works with intellectual property, like
Speaker 1: because you wrote these characters, but they were in more
Speaker 1: than one version of that stimulus. But if we're not
Speaker 1: allowed to use a version of the stimulus that includes
Speaker 1: those characters, then are we allowed to use those characters
Speaker 1: because they were in another stimulus or we're not allowed
Speaker 1: to touch them at all? Who knows the legalities of this? Exhausting,
Speaker 1: quite frankly. Anyway, shall we dive into the episode please.
Speaker 1: Let's so. The episode starts with a very cross Jase,
Speaker 1: so cross, so scary, grumpy, crumpy Chase. Yeah, I am
Speaker 1: a crosspatch. I'm a crosspatch bunny today, and I think
Speaker 1: largely because I'm a crosspatch bunny. Cross bunny before a
Speaker 1: crosspatch bunny. Well, there you go. But yes he is crosspatch.
Speaker 1: You can tell because my jaw is doing that thing
Speaker 1: that does across I'm doing the jaw clench. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: been many occasions where because the other thing is because
Speaker 1: you're taught to do it on you when you're doing
Speaker 1: stunts like if you're falling or if you're being dropped,
Speaker 1: or if you're landing on your back with your front
Speaker 1: or whatever, they tell you to lock your draw into
Speaker 1: place so you don't when you hit you don't close
Speaker 1: your drawer in your tongue and bite your tongue. That's advice,
Speaker 1: solid advice. I'm yet to do that, but yeah, as
Speaker 1: a result of that and constantly being crosspatch, jas has
Speaker 1: a tight jaw. He has a clenchy jaw. Well, we'll
Speaker 1: get Jason face massage at the end of this episode
Speaker 1: because he's gonna there's a lot more attention to go
Speaker 1: before then we have There are some smiles that are
Speaker 1: coming next, but it's a from an unlikely source, so
Speaker 1: we Alec and Clary have a little bit of a reconciliation.
Speaker 1: So Clary is watching over her mother and this This
Speaker 1: is why I love working with Matt because he there's
Speaker 1: there's so much spontaneity in little moments and little things
Speaker 1: that he'll do and little mannerisms that he'll have. And
Speaker 1: I know you, I mean, you got to work with
Speaker 1: him so much. There's it makes it fun because you
Speaker 1: always know he's going to bring something and bound something
Speaker 1: in there. And this scene was the first time I
Speaker 1: got to have a real conversation in a scene with
Speaker 1: Matt without fighting with him. And uh, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's this really nice moment and it's sort of foreshadows
Speaker 1: this friendship that that Alec and Clary build because they're
Speaker 1: both stuck emotionally in different places right now and being
Speaker 1: pulled between different forces and there's an odd and they've
Speaker 1: both made mistakes and they've both made poor choices and
Speaker 1: and you know the fact that they're able to take
Speaker 1: a moment and acknowledge that it's a it's a nice
Speaker 1: different color out of the both of them is Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is. What was what was Matt like? Did
Speaker 1: you have a similar I guess impression when you did trust?
Speaker 1: Was it called trust? Yeah, it's called trust. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: what's interesting in that movie is the two of us
Speaker 1: were playing entirely different characters, and so it was a
Speaker 1: completely we We had become so accustomed to the sort
Speaker 1: of butting heads brothers sister lee character relationship. We sort
Speaker 1: of had to go is there? Because he called me
Speaker 1: when he got offered the film and he's like, are
Speaker 1: you sure we can do this? Because I don't know
Speaker 1: if we can seriously look at each other in the
Speaker 1: eye and flirt. And I was like, no, no, we
Speaker 1: got this. And it turned out to be so fun
Speaker 1: because after working with someone for so long, you work
Speaker 1: with them on something else and you automatically have a
Speaker 1: kind of technical shorthand of and especially with indie movies
Speaker 1: things you're always crunched on time and you're always trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, make it work more efficiently. And with Matt,
Speaker 1: we're going, okay, so this is how we can do
Speaker 1: and then if we and if I stand and you
Speaker 1: go and okay, And even with the characters, it's just
Speaker 1: nice to have someone that you, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better word, trust and just can bounce things off of
Speaker 1: and know that you can play and that that other
Speaker 1: person is going to give you back the same sort
Speaker 1: of energy that you're putting out there. Um, that's so
Speaker 1: interesting that also I have another, I think, fun trust
Speaker 1: bit of information. Yeah, Lucien, Lucien. I'm sure he won't
Speaker 1: remember me. British rights from Manchester or he's from up
Speaker 1: north somewhere. Yeah, so Lancashire, Yeah he is. He's from Lankshire.
Speaker 1: Solution was one of the first British people I ever
Speaker 1: met in l a and we won't he won't remember me,
Speaker 1: but I remember cracking up. We were testing for something together,
Speaker 1: or maybe just auditioning for something together. I can't remember that.
Speaker 1: And it was just like the two of us and
Speaker 1: he went off and got a glass of water and
Speaker 1: then came back in and was like, you know when
Speaker 1: you drink water wrong and you're like choking, And it
Speaker 1: was like the funniest thing. I thought, it was so funny.
Speaker 1: You just put everyone in the room at ease. It
Speaker 1: was such a nice guy. And he like choked a
Speaker 1: little and got better and he went fucking I thought
Speaker 1: that was the end of me. I was going to
Speaker 1: die there just from drinking some water. And it was
Speaker 1: it was just like everyone was just at ease from then,
Speaker 1: and I've always remembered him for that, Like he's a
Speaker 1: really really nice, really nice guy. So no, he was lovely.
Speaker 1: It was such a fun film because we had a
Speaker 1: whole cast of folks and and it was it was nice.
Speaker 1: Everyone was kind of down to play. And but we're
Speaker 1: not talking about that right now. We've got different issues
Speaker 1: to deal with it. We we do, we do. It's
Speaker 1: not about trust. It's about Malick, and it's always about Malick.
Speaker 1: Magnus is such a great character in the sense because
Speaker 1: he's so all knowing and so wise and so beyond
Speaker 1: his you know, beyond everyone else in in his wisdom,
Speaker 1: but he still falls victim to very human vulnerabilities and tendencies.
Speaker 1: And when Alec was to see him in this next scene,
Speaker 1: he's clearly as sexy as he's ever been and he's
Speaker 1: going to drink in his hand. He set the mood
Speaker 1: and it just makes me so happy. Yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a fun it's a fun leading scene. Of course,
Speaker 1: anyone who's read the books knows. Any fans of our
Speaker 1: show that read the book, they know, they know where
Speaker 1: this episode is going, they know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: They don't know how it's going to happen or but
Speaker 1: they know that sort of this new partnership is going
Speaker 1: to spring. And I guess for the the audience, it's
Speaker 1: the audience that hadn't read the books, which I I
Speaker 1: really enjoy talking to those people because they don't have
Speaker 1: these sort of preconceived notions or these expectations of the
Speaker 1: show or the relationships. So it's really interesting to talk
Speaker 1: to those people and they go, oh, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes because we didn't know what
Speaker 1: he was going to choose, like we didn't know that,
Speaker 1: And that's a real testament to the two of them,
Speaker 1: Harry and Matt. Matt for showing this like fortitude in
Speaker 1: alec No, my decision is made. It's this is difficult,
Speaker 1: but this is my decision. I'm doing this. And then
Speaker 1: Harry with this like frustration with the sort of tempting
Speaker 1: and flirting and the understanding of what it's like to
Speaker 1: be a young gay man trying to live I guess
Speaker 1: in shoes that don't fit him. So the two of
Speaker 1: them do this this really wonderful like dance, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting talking to fans who didn't know how this was
Speaker 1: going to end. Who say, yeah, we genuinely didn't know
Speaker 1: in this episode. We had no idea which way this
Speaker 1: was going to end. Um which is great. Good on
Speaker 1: you guys, and it's great, and we'll talk more about
Speaker 1: that when we get to the moment to which you're referring.
Speaker 1: It's this been It's been such a nice arc over
Speaker 1: these last few episodes to see the push and pull
Speaker 1: and and and to see a lot of these vulnerabilities
Speaker 1: in both of these characters, and and kind of I
Speaker 1: think it sets the foundation for much in the same
Speaker 1: way that it sets the foundation for the parable relationship,
Speaker 1: the trials and tribulations you've been through, it sort of
Speaker 1: sets the foundation for the future of these two characters
Speaker 1: as well, know very much. So. Um So, after our
Speaker 1: little fun flirty moment between the two of them, we
Speaker 1: we dive into a Simon Clary scene which she doesn't
Speaker 1: waste much time, does she bloody hell, like, just found
Speaker 1: out that the love of my life can't happen. So
Speaker 1: she's like, Hey, I know another date that I can
Speaker 1: invite to this wedding. Crikey. Honestly, good for Simon, good
Speaker 1: for you, mate, But I think what that actually is
Speaker 1: it's it's less about oh, one day it's gone, let
Speaker 1: me find another one. And I think it more comes
Speaker 1: from the fact of Clari and Jace are both reeling
Speaker 1: because they clearly both thought one perception of this relationship
Speaker 1: and then suddenly going, oh, it's my brother, so no,
Speaker 1: that can't happen, and sort of pushing that away and
Speaker 1: shutting that door because otherwise it doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: and and just needing some comfort. She needs some something
Speaker 1: that feels normal, something that kind of grounds her, especially
Speaker 1: since her mother is still stuck and we don't really
Speaker 1: know what's happening with that and could potentially be gone forever.
Speaker 1: At this point, you need someone who who knows you,
Speaker 1: and she's trying it desperately to still hang on to
Speaker 1: who she was and who she is, and some semblance
Speaker 1: of comfort for lack of a better word, and that's
Speaker 1: Simon's always Simon, Poor Simon, always a bridesmaid. Until the
Speaker 1: end of season three. We'll get there. We'll get there
Speaker 1: for you, buddy, We'll get their buddy. Bless him. They like,
Speaker 1: is he paler in season one than he was in
Speaker 1: season two? Is that a change we made? So all
Speaker 1: the vampires are. They did the vampire makeup a little
Speaker 1: differently in season one because and you see it most
Speaker 1: on David Castro. You see it mostly on him in
Speaker 1: his first episode because it was very white and then
Speaker 1: so it's one of those things like the Ruins and
Speaker 1: the swords. They slowly but truly figured it out. It's
Speaker 1: an interesting transition because he's got quite olive's skin naturally,
Speaker 1: David Castro has quite sort of olive colored skin. So
Speaker 1: it's that's that's the one for me where I see
Speaker 1: it very much, so, especially in those early episodes. But
Speaker 1: I just noticed it in Alberto a little there. I
Speaker 1: was like, good buddy on the video games, you need
Speaker 1: to get outside. Man, you're like a little pale. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all got a little pale. It was try seriously, yeah,
Speaker 1: that first season like only saw the sun when I
Speaker 1: was when they decided we were going to film during
Speaker 1: the day outside. Actually, this is one of the very
Speaker 1: few episodes that we filmed during the war that I
Speaker 1: filmed early on. You and Matt and Alberto had quite
Speaker 1: a few daytime outdoor scenes, but I didn't have very
Speaker 1: many at all in this season, and this episode we do.
Speaker 1: We went to that that house you remember, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just gorgeous out. So what happens next time? Next we
Speaker 1: move into plan mode again. We need to get into
Speaker 1: planned mode. Ah how just Ted talk? Just Ted talks.
Speaker 1: So there are three people sat at a table at
Speaker 1: the institute who do not want to be sat at
Speaker 1: a table in the center of the institute, Jason and
Speaker 1: Clary for very obvious reasons. And Magnus is in the
Speaker 1: one place that he does not want to be right now.
Speaker 1: He does not want to be surrounded by this enamoring
Speaker 1: young man's wedding plans. He does not want to see
Speaker 1: Alec after their previous conversation. So it's three people in
Speaker 1: a very uncomfortable state and Hodge ignoring that and talking
Speaker 1: about the mission. Bless him, Hodges, and I just love
Speaker 1: how John Core approaches this because he's so excited to
Speaker 1: have information and to be able to teach and share,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like that teacher that always makes you
Speaker 1: excited to go to class and excited to learn things
Speaker 1: because they're into it. And yet everybody else is just
Speaker 1: Freddie foreshadowing again, Freddy foreshadowing again. Hodge is such a
Speaker 1: nice guy. Oh yeah, Hodges the best We love Hodge.
Speaker 1: Don't you love Hodge. We all love Hodge, We trust Hodge,
Speaker 1: we would try by Hodge. We all want more. John Core, Um,
Speaker 1: I just saw the image that you were talking about
Speaker 1: with these three warlocks. Um. He actually he does an
Speaker 1: amazing job with the so the the screens that we use,
Speaker 1: those screens in the institute, those big screens and all
Speaker 1: of the iPads and everything. None of those were touch
Speaker 1: screen in any way, shape or form. They were all
Speaker 1: just TV screens, that's all they were. So everything we
Speaker 1: did there was a graphic that played on the screen
Speaker 1: that we had to time with everything else. And John
Speaker 1: is one of the ones who made it look really effortless.
Speaker 1: He made it look like there at no point in
Speaker 1: I like, oh, there's that weird delay where it didn't
Speaker 1: quite happen right away. He always got that timing exactly
Speaker 1: right and makes it look really really good. And what
Speaker 1: he's pulled up is the three of your of your warlocks,
Speaker 1: it's Katrina lost Ragna Fell and her name's cut off,
Speaker 1: But did you say Tessa Gray was the other one.
Speaker 1: And there are three warlocks and we're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out which one is more powerful than Magnus pain, and
Speaker 1: which one could have cast this charm the spell made
Speaker 1: this potion for Jocelyn that she drank and green and
Speaker 1: in a bubble when all green and bubbly. It's just
Speaker 1: so much awkward in this scene. And I had forgotten
Speaker 1: how awkward the awkward because we got so far past
Speaker 1: it by the end. But it's you could cut that
Speaker 1: tension with that nice oh yeah, yeah, how's your doing? God? Yes,
Speaker 1: this is one of those days where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was so sore. Yeah, not happy. Nobody's happy except
Speaker 1: for except for Hodge, who's just oblivious to all of it.
Speaker 1: Bless him. He's just living his life. Yeah, And then,
Speaker 1: of course you just to make matters worse. It would
Speaker 1: be far too easy if Magnus Spain would have gotten
Speaker 1: in and out of the institute without bumping into the
Speaker 1: happy couples. Of course, and again credit to Stephanie because
Speaker 1: she once again is plays this kind of delicate situation
Speaker 1: in such a lovely way of trying to be gracious
Speaker 1: and trying to not make it awkward, and yet everyone
Speaker 1: is sort of arrested by the tension in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have more attention by adding more characters than nobody
Speaker 1: wants to talk to each other. There's like eight people
Speaker 1: in this room right now, and four of them don't
Speaker 1: want to talk to the other four. And there's all
Speaker 1: these crossed purposes. Bloody nightmare, a nightmare. Good Lord, attention.
Speaker 1: That's enough, Thank God. The scenes over and we're done.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Let's move on submission stuff. No more
Speaker 1: tension for me, Oh yeah, no more attention. Missions are
Speaker 1: never tense. Let's let's go out into the English countryside
Speaker 1: and go out. Honestly, that's Jason's like wheelhouse, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think he gets tense, like watch him like this
Speaker 1: is This is something that Darren and I discussed this
Speaker 1: pretty fervently about how Jason's movements and the way he
Speaker 1: fights is like has this flu medity to it, so
Speaker 1: it has this um he's it's like walking or like breathing,
Speaker 1: like it's that's that is where he's the most comfortable. Um.
Speaker 1: And I can't remember if it was Darren and myself
Speaker 1: who brought it up. We wanted it to be like
Speaker 1: you know how Captain Jack Sparrow walks on land and
Speaker 1: he walks like he's drunk, but when he walks on
Speaker 1: a boat, he walks perfectly, and that's because he spent
Speaker 1: so much time on a boat that he feels comfortable
Speaker 1: on a boat, and when he gets on land it
Speaker 1: feels weird that there isn't that motion, and we kind
Speaker 1: of wanted an element of that with Jace, where he
Speaker 1: is most comfortable when he's holding his sword, when he's
Speaker 1: about to go into action, like that's what makes sense
Speaker 1: to him. That's all that makes sense to him. So
Speaker 1: I think it's funny that you say, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the battle fields never tense. It's always tense because it's battle,
Speaker 1: but like in Jason's head, that is that's like that's
Speaker 1: the norm, Like that's where I feel most at home.
Speaker 1: Is it is when I'm charging into you know, potentially
Speaker 1: certain death. Yeah, well it's pretty you know what to
Speaker 1: expect you're not going to get because that's where as
Speaker 1: you said, that's where Jakes is comfortable. And it's the
Speaker 1: emotional vulnerability is not the physical ones that sort of
Speaker 1: put him off of his balance, um for lack of
Speaker 1: a But what's interesting about this, though, is we're dealing
Speaker 1: with a bit of both. Because of course you have
Speaker 1: the wonderfully quippy Magnu Spain who is just poking the bear,
Speaker 1: poking the elephant in the room as it were just
Speaker 1: poking it just a little bit. Goddamn Yeah, much to
Speaker 1: our chagrin that we did not film this in London.
Speaker 1: I wanted this to be filmed in London. It was
Speaker 1: only four of us. Take us over to London. Let
Speaker 1: me have a little vacation at home, Seema peeps. There
Speaker 1: are beautiful fields and beautiful houses that we could have
Speaker 1: used for this, and they were like, nope, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: You hold fire in season three, will go to Paris. Um.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that yet, No, we didn't. But something
Speaker 1: I sort of want to set the tone because a
Speaker 1: lot of folks we know this, but the folks at
Speaker 1: home don't necessarily know this. When we were shooting this scene,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, we were out in
Speaker 1: this big field, which we hadn't done a lot of.
Speaker 1: During the day, we had this big crane shot, all
Speaker 1: these special effects shots to do. We had a big,
Speaker 1: big day ahead of us, and of course, as is
Speaker 1: the fashion in September in Toronto, there was a storm
Speaker 1: front rolling in and literally we could see so much
Speaker 1: of the sky that Pierre are a d s our
Speaker 1: first a D was going, guys, we have we have
Speaker 1: thirty minutes before torrential downpour to get this entire scene
Speaker 1: and all of the shots and the crane shot and
Speaker 1: the all of the things that we needed to accomplish
Speaker 1: for this scene, which was a big scene and sort
Speaker 1: of the catalyst for the whole episode. And there's a
Speaker 1: reason that we're talking so very quickly throughout this entire
Speaker 1: scene because they're like, all right, the three of you,
Speaker 1: just pump out that dialogue and get it done so
Speaker 1: we can move on. The reason there's no close you
Speaker 1: actually you if you the scene where we've disappeared, which
Speaker 1: just popped up and it's just you and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's where are you doing your little like Velma from
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo thing? Um, you have clearly been rained on.
Speaker 1: You were very obvious and rained on. If you look
Speaker 1: at your hair, actually you should you should do your
Speaker 1: hair like this more. It looks great with the little
Speaker 1: like the sort of the plot I guess down the back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, credit to Ryan Reid, who was our
Speaker 1: hair department season one. He I mean, obviously we love
Speaker 1: Nancy Warren, who did the rest of the show as well,
Speaker 1: but Ryan sort of established so much of what the
Speaker 1: world was and also bless him that day he was
Speaker 1: out in the middle of that rain with a Beutane
Speaker 1: curling iron, just trying to keep those curls in my hair.
Speaker 1: It's so funny, isn't it. It's so funny. What is
Speaker 1: necessary for? Like, no, no, this is what we want
Speaker 1: your hair to look like. It cannot be straight, has
Speaker 1: to be curly. Why it was a book. In the books,
Speaker 1: Clary has naturally curly hair. Yeah, and so we wanted
Speaker 1: to sort of obviously I don't have naturally curly hair,
Speaker 1: and sort of, you know, giving me a perm or
Speaker 1: a wig. That was kind of the closest thing we
Speaker 1: could do to have that sort of wild mane that Claire.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. If it's if it was book necessary,
Speaker 1: then that's fair enough. This brings us fairly neatly through
Speaker 1: the selective the selective fire too. This scene is so fun.
Speaker 1: This is such a fun scene. He does such a
Speaker 1: fantastic job. I remember reading it for the first time
Speaker 1: and there's sort of two pages of dialogue before we
Speaker 1: get to the reveal of what's happening in this scene,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's so funny. We have
Speaker 1: like a schizophrenic warlock. That's such an interesting not funny,
Speaker 1: ha ha, funny interesting. Um, that's such an interesting take
Speaker 1: that we have thrown in a warlock who is battling,
Speaker 1: you know, with this as well before we reveal that
Speaker 1: that's not the case. But it was so well written.
Speaker 1: And then he does such a good job telling this
Speaker 1: story without obviously without us there. Um really fantastic. And
Speaker 1: I think did I even say what was it in
Speaker 1: the script? I can't really remember, um, but I feel
Speaker 1: like someone wrote Jason Magnus lines in so he knew
Speaker 1: that what he was reacting to. I think you guys
Speaker 1: might have done that on the day. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you guys might have spoken about that on the day
Speaker 1: because I think that was from Adam because if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, Look again, we say this all the time.
Speaker 1: We have all these guest stars that come in and
Speaker 1: they're so flipp and fantastic that they dive in and
Speaker 1: they bring so much to these characters and they commit.
Speaker 1: And again we've had Harry who has been sort of
Speaker 1: our only main warlock that we've seen, so he established
Speaker 1: what warlocks are. And then you have Adam who comes
Speaker 1: in and just takes it, keeps it consistent and does it,
Speaker 1: you know, to the level that Harry is doing it,
Speaker 1: but makes it his own and makes it unique and
Speaker 1: gives this It really speaks to the uniqueness of every
Speaker 1: Warlock because you know, that's that's sort of the mythology.
Speaker 1: Each Warlock has their own Warlock mark, and each Warlock
Speaker 1: is sort of a lone wolf in in their unique
Speaker 1: abilities and their unique physicalities. And and Adam just personified
Speaker 1: that so well. But I believe that was a choice
Speaker 1: that he asked for. I think he said what would
Speaker 1: you say and what would you say? Just so he
Speaker 1: had something in his head that makes sense. But I
Speaker 1: had so much fun doing this first bit with the
Speaker 1: pulling him out of the portrait and the way that
Speaker 1: that I mean credit to our VFX team as well.
Speaker 1: That was so well because that the whole portrait I
Speaker 1: thing and people going in and out of paintings can
Speaker 1: be a bit. It's not always done seamless in films
Speaker 1: and TV. And if I look if anything is done
Speaker 1: so often that there's a there's a like recurrent theme
Speaker 1: that it's not done very well, then you're like, this
Speaker 1: is a dangerous ground for us to stand on because
Speaker 1: it's already been done so many times to the point
Speaker 1: where sometimes it gets done quite poorly. Yeah, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Real credit to the guys for taking something
Speaker 1: and sort of reinventing the wheel with it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's what it felt like. It felt reinvented because I
Speaker 1: didn't as I tried to watch this as a viewer
Speaker 1: for the first time, I didn't see it coming. It
Speaker 1: wasn't sort of spoon fed to to me visually, which
Speaker 1: I appreciate. I also I forgot the tie in for
Speaker 1: the Book of the White, and this is a tie
Speaker 1: into them the books as well, because we have the
Speaker 1: Gray Book, which is all the ruins in the Book
Speaker 1: of the White is this infamous spell book, and I
Speaker 1: forgot that. That's why we had to find the Book
Speaker 1: of the White, because it has the antidote for the potion.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, the Book of the White. That's well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we're chasing down Ragna Fell. It's also I
Speaker 1: like this like fun competition that they have, like a
Speaker 1: similar thing between with the shadow Hunters as well, like
Speaker 1: who's the fastest, who's the strongest, who's the best shadow Hunter?
Speaker 1: Like Warlocks have that too, and Magnus says, why is
Speaker 1: Ragna on that list? He's not more powerful than I am.
Speaker 1: And there's this cool, like sort of sibling relationship thing
Speaker 1: that they have there, which is really neat. So I
Speaker 1: think with Adam, which I thought was amazing. So I, obviously,
Speaker 1: being British, have a real ear for non British actors
Speaker 1: giving a British accent ago and the same vice versa
Speaker 1: with Americans and especially American actors. Listening to British actors
Speaker 1: trying to do an American accent, you can really hear
Speaker 1: when things go wrong. And I he kept this up
Speaker 1: during the day and I was talking to him about England.
Speaker 1: That's how convincing he was. I was talking to him
Speaker 1: about England and eventually said something along the lines of
Speaker 1: like how often do you get back and whatever, and
Speaker 1: he went, oh, no, no, no, I'm from here. I'm
Speaker 1: from here. It's just the accent for the character. I
Speaker 1: was like, fuck me, man, holy sh it. Really, that's
Speaker 1: arguably the most impressive British accent I've ever heard in
Speaker 1: my life. I was fantastic. Hey, if you can fall
Speaker 1: the briat, that's that's the sample of approval. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so wonderful just in and so game with
Speaker 1: you know. I know they tried on several different horns
Speaker 1: with him, and there's a whole thing later on. You
Speaker 1: hear Magnus call him my little cabbage. And what that's
Speaker 1: a reference to is in the books Wrangner fellas green.
Speaker 1: His skin is supposed to be green. It is what
Speaker 1: he has that in the horns, which are his warlock mark.
Speaker 1: And I think they tried him green, but they felt
Speaker 1: it's a hint of green in his in his makeup,
Speaker 1: but it's not green green. It's more like like a hue,
Speaker 1: a green hue. Yes, it's a it's a hue and
Speaker 1: a hue. And then of course we couldn't as soon
Speaker 1: as we get just enough information to taste our our victory,
Speaker 1: it all goes around. It's so close, We're so close.
Speaker 1: He thinks he knows, he thinks he has something that
Speaker 1: can help us. So close, so close. And then this
Speaker 1: always bugged me. There are like two or three instances
Speaker 1: in shadow Hunters where I was like, man, this is
Speaker 1: how this person goes out? Really like this is this
Speaker 1: one of them is with me in season two and
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in season two where I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: really better about that? So bitter, I'm so upset they
Speaker 1: ended up being what it ended up being. But this
Speaker 1: one really pissed me off because this was a Shacks demon.
Speaker 1: It was one little creepy critter that got him. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like some big, like elaborate and we're talking about
Speaker 1: this person is one of the most powerful warlocks in
Speaker 1: the world, the High Warlock of London, and he gets
Speaker 1: got by this, and I was just like a man,
Speaker 1: We've got to give him more of a but nope,
Speaker 1: he got got by this. But it's also it makes
Speaker 1: it even more painful for Magnus because Ragner is a
Speaker 1: bit of an agoraphobe and doesn't let anyone in and
Speaker 1: doesn't trust anyone, and Magnus, he even says it, wragner
Speaker 1: Felt is the only person or I'm the only person
Speaker 1: in the world that wragner Felt trusts, and as soon
Speaker 1: as he takes advantage of that trust, it kills him.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, it's it's Magnus feels responsible and
Speaker 1: then even more Clarity feels responsible because ultimately it's all
Speaker 1: for her and her mama. Yeah, really rough. U. This
Speaker 1: is a this is you know, we don't talk about
Speaker 1: this enough. Dying on screen is fucking hard, Like, it's
Speaker 1: really hard work to make it look convincing. The one
Speaker 1: thing that no actor has ever done that they have
Speaker 1: to try and recreate, you know what I mean is dying.
Speaker 1: You've never We've never died, None of us have ever died,
Speaker 1: so we can It's nothing. It's not something that we
Speaker 1: can be like, Oh, I know, vaguely, where to do this,
Speaker 1: how to put this in? He the two the two
Speaker 1: my two favorite deaths on the show are Adam. That's
Speaker 1: a horrible thing to say, but there you are. Adam
Speaker 1: does an amazing death, so like cold, dead eyed stare
Speaker 1: into the distance, and we shouldn't really talk about it yet,
Speaker 1: but I know, and he had a good one. But
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that again. We'll talk about that. This
Speaker 1: heartbreaking scene is left off with a tearful Magnus saying,
Speaker 1: just let me take care of my friend. And this
Speaker 1: is one of those moments too, where Harry Magnus is
Speaker 1: such a character that always has this composure for the
Speaker 1: most part, but we get these little glimpses with Harry
Speaker 1: of just how talented he is as an actor, and
Speaker 1: this was the first time I remember watching Harry do
Speaker 1: his close up because we were standing off camera for
Speaker 1: the eyeline. And oftentimes, when you know you do an
Speaker 1: actor's close up, the other actor, the scene partner, will
Speaker 1: stand very close to the camera so that they when
Speaker 1: they look at other actor, it's closer to the lens
Speaker 1: and they can kind of catch the full performance. But
Speaker 1: we were standing and I remember watching the monitor while
Speaker 1: Harry was doing his close up and just being absolutely
Speaker 1: full floored by his performance. Yeah, so brilliant. So we
Speaker 1: come back to the Institute full of fire and Brimstone
Speaker 1: because we have been betrayed by somebody. There aren't many
Speaker 1: people that knew where we were going, what we were doing,
Speaker 1: why we were doing it. It was all done in secret,
Speaker 1: largely to protect Ragna because he's a very secretive person.
Speaker 1: Also because we're at war and secrets are best kept secret.
Speaker 1: So someone in the Institute of Traders, Jason convinces himself
Speaker 1: that it is Lydia. Makes sense, It does it doesn't
Speaker 1: It doesn't it because he Jas doesn't really know Lydia.
Speaker 1: They haven't really spoken or interacted sort of at all.
Speaker 1: Ja's just sort of sees her as like, you're from
Speaker 1: the Cleave. The Clave doesn't like me, like the Cleave
Speaker 1: is not a fan. They know that I'm good at
Speaker 1: what I do, so I have this reputation, but I
Speaker 1: don't follow your rules. So that's how he sees Lydia.
Speaker 1: So he has convinced himself that Lydia is the traitor um.
Speaker 1: And then I believe it's Clary who says, let me
Speaker 1: talk to her. You're too angry, let me talk to her. Well,
Speaker 1: it's Clarion Isabel. Oh, it's both of them. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: Clarion Isabel. And I think again, we see this, this
Speaker 1: sort of team up, and this these two women that
Speaker 1: are are going to become such a good team together
Speaker 1: in the future. This is one of the first glimpses
Speaker 1: we see of them working together. I mean, I albeit
Speaker 1: against Jason in this instance, but but working as a
Speaker 1: team to calm James down and kind of good cut
Speaker 1: bad cupping him and Clary taking a moment and going, look,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to her. I'm the outsider. I'm Valentine's daughter.
Speaker 1: Let me take this is my responsibility. Let me let
Speaker 1: me take care of this. I'll do the human emotional thing.
Speaker 1: You're two, you're two worked up. Let me take a
Speaker 1: crack at it. Yeah, ironically too emotional to take on
Speaker 1: this task is Jace, Bless him? But and and then
Speaker 1: to that point. Then it goes into the scene with Lydia. Correct.
Speaker 1: I remember on the day this was one of those scenes.
Speaker 1: It was at the very end of the day, at
Speaker 1: the very end of a week. We were running over time,
Speaker 1: we were out of time, and by the time we
Speaker 1: got to my close up, they came over to me
Speaker 1: and went, you have one take. Please hit your marks.
Speaker 1: We have to pull the plug after this take. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, which normally we get at least two, maybe
Speaker 1: three if we're lucky, but I sort of went all right.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest scenes of the episode. Lots of dialogue,
Speaker 1: important story points. Let's figure it out. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's a testament to our our camera operators and our
Speaker 1: crew and everyone one because when it gets to the
Speaker 1: eleventh hour we can pull together and work as a
Speaker 1: team and make the scene great. And I love how
Speaker 1: this scene is written. We talked about this a little
Speaker 1: bit in the last episode and quite a bit with Lydia,
Speaker 1: but it's it's so great when you have two female
Speaker 1: characters that are still put it odds, but they're put
Speaker 1: it odds in a way that is still mature, and
Speaker 1: it's it's never catty, and you know, it's it's testy,
Speaker 1: but it's human. And you have these two women that
Speaker 1: are having a real conversation and not just fighting with
Speaker 1: each other to have to pit two women against each
Speaker 1: other as as you know, as the common case. Yeah, no, mature.
Speaker 1: Mature is a really good word. It is. It's mature.
Speaker 1: It's adult. It's an adult conversation to have. It's not bitchy,
Speaker 1: it's it's grown up. It's it's educated, it's eloquent, it's tasteful,
Speaker 1: like it's Yeah, these scenes, and especially the women in
Speaker 1: our show were written like like real women as much
Speaker 1: as is humanly possible within a very supernatural world. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a real credit to the team we
Speaker 1: we had creating these women and then obviously the women
Speaker 1: who portrayed them, like it's you know, it's you can
Speaker 1: only write so far until you get someone on screen,
Speaker 1: and then it's their face, their body, their voice, it's
Speaker 1: them doing this thing. So you know, credit to you
Speaker 1: and Stephanie the bext she did a fantastic job. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's I think the most important thing is
Speaker 1: seeing the heart of both of these characters, and they
Speaker 1: both really are coming from a well intentioned place, but
Speaker 1: are in a rather difficult situation. I can't remember what
Speaker 1: said at the end of that, but I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: we figure out, well, at least you figure out that
Speaker 1: Lydia is not the traitor, right, isn't that what we Yeah?
Speaker 1: And how it ends up is actually a really nice
Speaker 1: moment because they fight, they butt heads, and Clary goes
Speaker 1: to storm out and then turns around and goes, how
Speaker 1: do I trust you? Because she genuinely she just goes,
Speaker 1: you know what, fine, if you're going to claim this,
Speaker 1: how can I believe it? And very smartly, Lydia says, well,
Speaker 1: you're Valentine's daughter. I learned to trust you. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: Claire goes fair enough, but you know, in true, in
Speaker 1: true short, red headed, bad tempered fashion walks of Lydian goes,
Speaker 1: these people are my family, and I protect my family,
Speaker 1: so do not cross me. Fair enough, and then leaves it.
Speaker 1: That's fine, I'll believe you, but if you cross me,
Speaker 1: you're dead. Um. I think we missed an opportunity with
Speaker 1: this next scene. That could have been a really cool
Speaker 1: like Simon in a mirrored hallway doing like the dress
Speaker 1: up montage of trying on different suits and stuff. I
Speaker 1: think we really missed, and I think alberts I would
Speaker 1: have dug that too, like a full like trying on
Speaker 1: everyone and then like clothes coming out of the water
Speaker 1: one by one. Whatever. The truth is, he looks fantastic
Speaker 1: in one everywhere, So that montage is a useless piece
Speaker 1: of footage, but it could have been fun. It would
Speaker 1: have been fun to see even Rafael go no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: hey and try this, you know the whole let Raphael,
Speaker 1: pretty woman who you know that? The guy who walks uh,
Speaker 1: speaking of pretty vampires, the guy who walks Isabelle into
Speaker 1: this scene in the background. I'm not sure who this is.
Speaker 1: I wasn't here this day. Dude looks more like Robert
Speaker 1: Pattinson than Robert Pattinson. I'm saying, like this is wild,
Speaker 1: like absolutely wild to me. He looks like facially lips eyes,
Speaker 1: knows his jaw line like that. If that's not Robert Pattinson,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what's what anymore. That's mental.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely mental. Everyone checked that out. Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: our pattersons. Rob came in and did a day he listen,
Speaker 1: if we have Batman in the back of one of
Speaker 1: our scenes, I am so happy, so happy. Yep, I
Speaker 1: can die happy if if they had they had the Batman.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Oh my goodness. But also this
Speaker 1: is a nice little, a little link to future Sissy
Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's one of the first times
Speaker 1: since episode one or two that these two have interacted
Speaker 1: and you know, nobody's dying right now that they know of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is it's such a rare thing. I'm already dead.
Speaker 1: Simon is dead and therefore cannot be dying because he's dead. Well,
Speaker 1: what happens when vampires die? Do they die? They don't,
Speaker 1: They can't die. They just expire. It happens. How many
Speaker 1: vampires did you kill on the show? No? I know,
Speaker 1: But what do we goof into smoking? I know that,
Speaker 1: but what will we call it? Like we we can't
Speaker 1: be killing vampires because vampires don't can't die because they're dead,
Speaker 1: dispatching them. Dispatching them is not bad. They just expire
Speaker 1: like a egg timer. There you go like an egg timer.
Speaker 1: They're just done. Um. We get a great scene, which
Speaker 1: thank god we do, because we get to see Adam again. Yes,
Speaker 1: Adam comes back as sort of this force ghost slash
Speaker 1: memory from Magnus and we just get to see this
Speaker 1: like fun relationship between the two of them. This like,
Speaker 1: actually it is kind of caddy. It is kind of bitchy,
Speaker 1: but in like a very brotherly sense, in the same
Speaker 1: sort of way that Alec and Jace can be at
Speaker 1: each other's throats, especially in later seasons. They can be
Speaker 1: at each other, but in the in the way brothers do,
Speaker 1: in the way siblings do, and you get to see
Speaker 1: this really wonderful and I one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: we do on the show is the lookbacks are more
Speaker 1: ancient characters and they can talk about like, oh, I
Speaker 1: hated this thing that happened in sixteen fifty or whatever,
Speaker 1: and the you know, it's that reminder of like, wow,
Speaker 1: these people have been around for a listraal eternity. These
Speaker 1: people have been around for hundreds and hundreds of lifetimes
Speaker 1: and experience more than any other creature on the planet,
Speaker 1: which is really wonderful. But we get to see this
Speaker 1: nice dynamic between Harry and Adam again. Absolutely, and there's
Speaker 1: a nice tie in. Oh that that comes later because
Speaker 1: we flashed back to this a few times, so I'll
Speaker 1: bring that up later. But you're right, it's it's a
Speaker 1: really lovely scene. And I love that you describe it
Speaker 1: as a Force ghost. I think that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: exactly what it is though, right, Yeah, we just can't
Speaker 1: call it, Yeah, a Disney property, so we're not allowed
Speaker 1: to say that. I mean, we can't now on this
Speaker 1: more so we can, I guess, So, yeah, did we?
Speaker 1: That's right? We had is he is? He's wearing a
Speaker 1: Star Wars shirt in episode ten? Yeah? Were we just
Speaker 1: allowed to use anything from Disney? Why don't we bring
Speaker 1: like life? I did it. I had a reference. I
Speaker 1: had a Star Wars reference in season two with Simon.
Speaker 1: It's all coming back to me now, how many other
Speaker 1: pop culture references I managed to sneak in without anyone knowing?
Speaker 1: That's great, we do a few of them. So now
Speaker 1: we get into the bachelor party, Yeah, Alex bachelor party. Also,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't know if is this what
Speaker 1: you were going to say about location? Oh? No, that's
Speaker 1: a good that's a good shout. I was going to
Speaker 1: talk about the music and just ask where they're supposed
Speaker 1: to be. Is this at the Institute? Is rent bar? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think she rented out a bar. Um was sort
Speaker 1: of the idea, which is just a sort of amorphous
Speaker 1: bar that we use for everything. So this was the
Speaker 1: vampire bar, this was the Warlock party bar. It is
Speaker 1: the same set. I think it ends up being like
Speaker 1: the sewers when we fight the Drevic demons, the like
Speaker 1: wormy demons in season three, that's here. Also, it's also
Speaker 1: the subway in in the beginning, and it's the boat basin.
Speaker 1: It is the boat basin. That's right when the boat basin, Wow,
Speaker 1: we really did. And it's also the creepy Um. It's
Speaker 1: also the creepy dungeon where the Iris rouses demon is. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. And I think it was the dungeon where
Speaker 1: Simon was a serial killer and killed Fisk. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so, right. So yeah, it's amazing about this. Listeners
Speaker 1: who who maybe don't know, and if you do know,
Speaker 1: I'm not being patronizing. I just would to explain to
Speaker 1: everyone knows, Um, we film an episode of a show
Speaker 1: in anywhere between Like I think we've got The quickest
Speaker 1: one was like six or seven days, and then the
Speaker 1: longer ones were like the pilot took like three weeks
Speaker 1: to film. Um so anywhere between that time. But the
Speaker 1: turnaround between episodes is days. If that, if you're lucky
Speaker 1: you end on a weekend. If you end midweek, then
Speaker 1: Wednesday you're shooting one oh three, Thursday you're shooting one
Speaker 1: oh four. And the set decoration team, who are in
Speaker 1: charge of making sure that the sets look correct and
Speaker 1: everything's whatever, they have to turn these sets around within
Speaker 1: that time. So let's say between two episodes, we're using
Speaker 1: this location. The set deck team turned this from the
Speaker 1: hard Tale the vampire bar into this or into the
Speaker 1: dungeon or into the basement or into whatever it is
Speaker 1: the subway in days, and it is unbelievable because they
Speaker 1: look like entirely different spaces. Is absolutely mind blowing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so we move into the bachelor party. Is he being well?
Speaker 1: But it's it's true that you say that, though, because
Speaker 1: we were so lucky, because every time we walked into
Speaker 1: a new set, it was a completely full, immersive world.
Speaker 1: And I was always so grateful for our set deck
Speaker 1: team and for our set design and art department and
Speaker 1: everything that puts so much energy into every single detail.
Speaker 1: I remember exploring sets three years in and finding something
Speaker 1: new that I had never seen before, some details, some
Speaker 1: thing I could play with that was just completely brand new.
Speaker 1: I did a scene with Alberto in I forget if
Speaker 1: it was season two or three in the boat Basin,
Speaker 1: and he had this monologue and wanted some business to do,
Speaker 1: and so he just looked around the set and found something,
Speaker 1: and then found a rag and a thing, and suddenly
Speaker 1: he created his entire scene from the set. We I
Speaker 1: we had it. I had. The big one I had
Speaker 1: was in season two when they sort of redesigned Jace's
Speaker 1: bedroom or Jay Scott moved in the institute and was
Speaker 1: in sort of the spire of the of the of
Speaker 1: the castle and the church. Um and I remember walking
Speaker 1: in that day and everyone sort of knew me well
Speaker 1: enough at that point that they were like, Dom's going
Speaker 1: to touch everything, just so you know, Dom's gonna play
Speaker 1: with everything in this thing. So everything in there was practical.
Speaker 1: The punching bags were were like hard driven into the
Speaker 1: roof so you could actually use them. The pull up
Speaker 1: bars hard driven into the roof, so you could use them.
Speaker 1: Like absolutely everything in that room was practical and from
Speaker 1: the ground up built with Jason mind. And that's such
Speaker 1: a such an amazing thing to have that this much
Speaker 1: thought is going into these characters behind the scenes. Really wonderful. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we do, as Catwin mentioning, we get to move on
Speaker 1: to the bachelor party, arguably the best slash worst bachelor
Speaker 1: party ever, depending on what you were expecting. If you're
Speaker 1: expecting reconciliation with your best buddy and that your best
Speaker 1: buddy is going to be a best man and he's
Speaker 1: going to stand next to you no matter what happens
Speaker 1: for the rest of your days, then this is the
Speaker 1: best bachelor party ever. If you were expecting booze and
Speaker 1: yaga bombs and strip because this is not a good
Speaker 1: bachelor party. But also maybe you have the wrong interpretation.
Speaker 1: Although the music is their music is great. Music is
Speaker 1: great music. The music is there also the word for
Speaker 1: best man that I still do not know, Sean Jean,
Speaker 1: I think never come across that before. Um, isn't it
Speaker 1: a shadow ANSWER's word? Is it? I don't think I
Speaker 1: thought so. I mean they just put it on my
Speaker 1: script and I was like, all right, Um, let me
Speaker 1: skip to the end of this scene quickly and see.
Speaker 1: I think it might be so June. We're learning all
Speaker 1: sorts of things. Sugin yeah, yeah, God, how would you
Speaker 1: even spell that? S a u j I n Maybe
Speaker 1: let's see, Oh a rook Hue member serves in the
Speaker 1: Heisian army as an archer. That doesn't seem right. This
Speaker 1: is probably another one of those words, though, Like even
Speaker 1: like parabat i. I remember talking to Cassie about the
Speaker 1: word parabatai because it's only ever really been written down,
Speaker 1: so I think it might even have been Cassie who
Speaker 1: said she always thought it was going to be pronounced
Speaker 1: pera bartai. I think, oh, yeah, remember, Maybe it wasn't Cassy,
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a fan who said that. But like,
Speaker 1: it's another one of those things. If surgin is a
Speaker 1: shadow unter's word, which it seems to be, unless I'm
Speaker 1: spelling it wrong because I can't find it anywhere, I
Speaker 1: bet it's some like really simple word that I'm just
Speaker 1: spacing on and everyone's seeing me, like you idiot. It
Speaker 1: means this, or it means something really rude, in which
Speaker 1: case I desperately apologize. Oh as u g g E
Speaker 1: n E s s U g e n e s.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. A sugin is a term used to refer
Speaker 1: to a person at shadow Hunter's wedding who walks the
Speaker 1: bride or groom along the aisle as their betrothed welcome
Speaker 1: welcomes them to the latter. It's a shadow Unter's word,
Speaker 1: Oh no, let you go. Um so again. It's one
Speaker 1: of those words that we got to define it, like,
Speaker 1: we got to pronounce this word however we wanted to.
Speaker 1: But the portants of this scene is the apologies between
Speaker 1: the two of them. You know, things got really dark
Speaker 1: between Alec and Jason, and I think they both knew
Speaker 1: that there would always be a reconciliation, but when it
Speaker 1: was going to come, nobody knew. So they were just
Speaker 1: wasting time that they could have had with their best
Speaker 1: friend and their soul mate during this time which they
Speaker 1: didn't have. Um So, apologies all round and reconciliation, reconciliations
Speaker 1: of these two, which I as an actor was very
Speaker 1: grateful for, because you know, we worked quite hard at
Speaker 1: the beginning of making this relationship what it was and
Speaker 1: then to sort of tear it apart was actually quite harrowing.
Speaker 1: It was quite hard work to play like you have
Speaker 1: this disdain for someone that you really care about. So
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that we got back to you know
Speaker 1: us again before Jace loses his mind a little in
Speaker 1: the next episode. Yeah, but to be fair, that's it's
Speaker 1: very similar in the scene with you know Lydia and Clary.
Speaker 1: It's very mature in the way that they both go
Speaker 1: about doing this, and it's but it's also very human
Speaker 1: because they're both caught in these weird situations with their
Speaker 1: love lives, and it's it's not something as shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: that they're used to talking about, and so the fact
Speaker 1: that they can because they are the one person in
Speaker 1: the world that the other can be vulnerable with as
Speaker 1: their parabtie. So it's nice to finally see these two
Speaker 1: warriors and these two people who have had to just
Speaker 1: keep it together for so long go, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, and I don't know how to feel
Speaker 1: or what's happening. This is confusing and I don't but
Speaker 1: I'm glad I have you and sort of reaffirm that
Speaker 1: bond that then carries through the rest of our series. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and it's beautifully done. So credit to you guys. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. It's very sweet. We should stop talking
Speaker 1: about the scene the scene of scenes. We should, but
Speaker 1: first let me just mention one more thing, because we
Speaker 1: go back to Ragner Fell and Magnus one more time,
Speaker 1: and because this is sort of the catalyst that goes
Speaker 1: into the wedding, because Ragner starts talking to Magnus about
Speaker 1: Alec and about love and about all of this, and
Speaker 1: Ragner goes Wragner tells Magnus to fight for it. If
Speaker 1: it's worth it, if love is worth it, you fight
Speaker 1: for it, and that is sort of the inspiration that
Speaker 1: Magnus needs to do what he does next. But it
Speaker 1: brought up an interesting thought that I wanted to run
Speaker 1: by you and see what your opinion is. I wonder
Speaker 1: if this is actually Ragner's ghost or if it's an
Speaker 1: element of magnus subconscious memory of Ragner. I figured it
Speaker 1: was a memory, yeah, because then it's, you know, Magnus
Speaker 1: convincing himself, and it's this is coming from within Magnus
Speaker 1: as well from and you know, whether or not Magnus
Speaker 1: is aware that it's it's his own subconscious that's going
Speaker 1: to know. I can't I can't let him go. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I always had sort of figured it was his imagination
Speaker 1: bringing him back, and like the force ghost element was
Speaker 1: just a funny, like actual esthetic image to see. But no,
Speaker 1: I had always assumed that this was like Magnus talking
Speaker 1: to like what would Ragna do? Like what would Ragna
Speaker 1: say in this situation? And this is the embodiment of
Speaker 1: that which brings us fairly, neatly and finally to the
Speaker 1: wedding of the century up until this point. It's the
Speaker 1: wedding of the century up until this point, which there's
Speaker 1: there's more to come. There's more to come. We when
Speaker 1: I say, the writers agonized over this, set deck agonized
Speaker 1: over this, costumes agonized over this, the actors agonized over this.
Speaker 1: And then actually being on set, we spent two days
Speaker 1: just filming this one scene, which is so uncommon in
Speaker 1: the film and TV world, at least in this sort
Speaker 1: of TV world, so uncommon, um that we spend such
Speaker 1: a long time filming this scene, but had such a
Speaker 1: poignant weight to it, um and was such a big
Speaker 1: part of our story that it deserved that time. It
Speaker 1: deserved that weight, um. And what transpires is so I
Speaker 1: think some of the best acting, performing, uh, directing, editing.
Speaker 1: Everything that was in this from you know, hair and makeup,
Speaker 1: costumes right to everything. Every single element of this was
Speaker 1: so perfect for what it needed to be and I'm
Speaker 1: so incredibly proud of all of the people that were
Speaker 1: a part of it. And this is what I always
Speaker 1: go back to when I refer to the magic and
Speaker 1: the rarefied air and the lightning in a bottle that
Speaker 1: was our show because it was as you said, every
Speaker 1: single department cared so much, and when it came to
Speaker 1: these really big book moments, which we had several of
Speaker 1: throughout our series, there was a little bit of magic
Speaker 1: that happened when all of these elements blend did perfectly.
Speaker 1: And you just have from from hair and makeup to
Speaker 1: wardrobe to the acting, the cinematography, the set deck that
Speaker 1: everything came together so beautifully to create this world and
Speaker 1: this image and it it we got to live it
Speaker 1: and it didn't feel as though we were doing a
Speaker 1: scene and didn't feel as though we were working to
Speaker 1: do this. It was happening, And uh, it's so rare
Speaker 1: that you get that and you get the time to
Speaker 1: really do something properly. But you know, credit to the
Speaker 1: folks that gave us the resources to do that on
Speaker 1: the show, because these moments are important, so important, and
Speaker 1: it's I remember this happening. This, Like the reactions from
Speaker 1: everyone really tell the story of how much people cared
Speaker 1: about both of these characters and how much pride they
Speaker 1: have that theyre that they're you know, opening themselves up
Speaker 1: to this. I remember my reaction and in my head
Speaker 1: obviously couldn't say this on the show, but in my head,
Speaker 1: I was like, funk, yeah, buddy, good for you, fucking great,
Speaker 1: and you can't say that out loud, but like, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But before we get to that moment, there's so much
Speaker 1: that happens up until then, because not only is there
Speaker 1: this excitement in the air, but there's a tension because
Speaker 1: everyone knows, you know, it's sort of the other elephant
Speaker 1: in the room that no one's talking about. There's you know,
Speaker 1: there's the Jason Clary elephant, which is sort of a
Speaker 1: baby elephant, but then you have the grand elephant, that
Speaker 1: is everyone knows that these two aren't necessarily at least
Speaker 1: all of our our characters know that these two aren't
Speaker 1: necessarily in love, and they're potentially committing to h a
Speaker 1: bond that in the world of the Shadow Hunters, it's
Speaker 1: four lets you get there. It is to death Stylli's
Speaker 1: part because there are some ruins that are and this
Speaker 1: is a carryover from the books. There are some ruins
Speaker 1: that come and go and some things that you have
Speaker 1: to re ruin on yourself. But the Wedded Union ruin
Speaker 1: is one that is permanent. So no matter or what
Speaker 1: you do, unless you're exiled and d runed, that one
Speaker 1: will be there for life. Yeah, it's a permanent bond,
Speaker 1: like the para a type bond, well, semi permanent. Mm hm.
Speaker 1: There is a moment between you and Albertos. Yeah, over
Speaker 1: over your shoulder. It's one of my favorites from him.
Speaker 1: I just have to bring that out. Yeah I got you,
Speaker 1: buck you and yeah he does. He gives me a
Speaker 1: little thing and I'm like, good for you, man. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's really, that's what I would have done. That's great,
Speaker 1: exactly what I would have done. That's awesome. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing about the scene is there's all those little moments.
Speaker 1: You know, you see you see Hodge and Mariss talking,
Speaker 1: and you see you know, all the and there's there's
Speaker 1: the moment between um trying to remember the sequence of events.
Speaker 1: But as we get into the wedding, yeah, we sort
Speaker 1: of dive in pretty quickly to the tension of like
Speaker 1: this wedding is actually in full force, like it's sort
Speaker 1: of it gets to that moment of like, does anyone
Speaker 1: object to this wedding? Does he say that? He doesn't
Speaker 1: say that, right, does he actually say that? No? No,
Speaker 1: but she is putting the stelle to his hand, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly you hear the doors open and everyone looks
Speaker 1: and there's Magnus Pain, which is my favorite entrance by
Speaker 1: the way, because it seems like, I don't know, we
Speaker 1: should have asked me about this. It seems like he
Speaker 1: thought he was going to come into like the lobby
Speaker 1: and accidentally came into the wedding hall, and he sort
Speaker 1: of has this like oh shit, oh no, this is
Speaker 1: I didn't think I would be like here here. I
Speaker 1: thought I would have an extra like thirty seconds to
Speaker 1: plan this through, and here it comes. It's it's happening
Speaker 1: in front of me, and it's so funny. I think
Speaker 1: it's such a brilliant thing because he's like looking down
Speaker 1: as well, and then looks up and He's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so good. That actually, I think is the moment they
Speaker 1: figure it out. I think as soon as because he
Speaker 1: I think so too. Harry comes in. Magnus comes in
Speaker 1: and sees Alcan, locks eyes Alex he's Magnus, and locks eyes,
Speaker 1: and neither of them blink. They just look at each
Speaker 1: other and don't really look around again. I think Alec
Speaker 1: has a couple of looks of panic later on, but
Speaker 1: I think I genuinely think that's the moment where they
Speaker 1: see in each other like I know what I need
Speaker 1: to do, I know what happens here, I know what
Speaker 1: the next step is. And then Lydia helps solidify that. Lydia,
Speaker 1: being the hero that she is that you know she
Speaker 1: started off to the audience is kind of this bad guy,
Speaker 1: but really, Lydia is the one. Lydia is the first
Speaker 1: one to say out loud that it's okay, I accept
Speaker 1: you for who you are. I get it, go do
Speaker 1: your thing. She's the first one in our show to
Speaker 1: say it out loud. Everyone else, you know, whether they
Speaker 1: feel it or whatever, the first one who says it
Speaker 1: is Lydia. That's the except for obviously Magnus. But that's
Speaker 1: the first person who actually says it to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's such a testament too, because it it's sort
Speaker 1: of not exonerates, but it gives Alec permission to still
Speaker 1: to not leave Lydia hanging. You know, he has then
Speaker 1: given the freedom to make the choice because he obviously
Speaker 1: is a good person and doesn't want to leave anyone
Speaker 1: at the altar because that's not a nice thing to do.
Speaker 1: But also, love in this world is is such a
Speaker 1: huge thing, especially this kind of romantic love, especially for
Speaker 1: shadow Hunters. It only happens once, and they're all aware
Speaker 1: of that. Lydia has lost the love of her life
Speaker 1: already and in order for her not to put someone
Speaker 1: else through that, she sees it in front of her.
Speaker 1: She recognizes it more than anyone else does in that room,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really interesting moment. But I love how
Speaker 1: Matt and Harry play this because you truly, as an
Speaker 1: audience member, if you don't know what happens, you do
Speaker 1: not know if they're going to fight or kiss or
Speaker 1: yell at each other. He looks like he's going to
Speaker 1: hit him. It does a little bit. If you don't know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of going, what's what's going to happen here?
Speaker 1: What's going on? And it's brilliant because even for people
Speaker 1: who know, even though I know what's going to happen,
Speaker 1: we got to see this for the first time. Do
Speaker 1: you remember we were live tweeting this at free Form.
Speaker 1: It was the first time we got to see it,
Speaker 1: and we all cheered, and it finally happened, and we
Speaker 1: got to see how it was framed oncount because we
Speaker 1: watched the you know, the actual event happened over and
Speaker 1: over and over again, but we didn't know how it
Speaker 1: was going to be framed, what was going to happen,
Speaker 1: the music attention, We didn't know what was going to
Speaker 1: happen there, and that was the first time we got
Speaker 1: to see it, and we all, um, I would imagine
Speaker 1: with you know, everyone watching the show all collectively cheered
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Well, and you always see things on camera,
Speaker 1: especially with Matt and Harry in the way that they
Speaker 1: played this relationship out. There's there's little moments in their
Speaker 1: eyes that you can't see you from across the room.
Speaker 1: But even when Magnus comes in, when they when he
Speaker 1: locks eyes to Alec for the first time, there's almost
Speaker 1: a challenge that he kind of looks at Alec and goes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here, you're a move and and there's there's almost
Speaker 1: a whole conversation that happens between the cuts, and um,
Speaker 1: there's not a moment that happens with Clara and Jace
Speaker 1: way later in the series that we'll talk about that
Speaker 1: caught me off guard when I saw it back because
Speaker 1: I didn't even know we did it. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that later, later, much later, much later. And I
Speaker 1: love that. I love how Maris to just energect. We
Speaker 1: got to talk about Maris in this moment, just the
Speaker 1: way she just interjects herself right in the middle of
Speaker 1: her son's relationship, of course, and Nicola does such a
Speaker 1: good job at it too. Simon's little speech, Ellen, is
Speaker 1: that what he says, Eline, that's it, Elane, his little
Speaker 1: speech there is my it's such a Simon thing, like
Speaker 1: it's such a hymn thing to do. And then and
Speaker 1: this is also immediately makes it awkward by going and
Speaker 1: then they don't know what they're doing next, right, Yeah, like, thanks,
Speaker 1: we need to hear that. That's exactly how we feel.
Speaker 1: Thank you for telling everyone, and we get this. The
Speaker 1: end of this scene is sort of brought together and
Speaker 1: links into what's going to happen next Actually Jason accepting Lydia,
Speaker 1: You're always going to have a place here at the Institute,
Speaker 1: which I liked that they put in. I liked that
Speaker 1: they gave us that like and I actually thought they
Speaker 1: were going to bring it back come season two and
Speaker 1: ended up not doing. But I liked that. Well, she
Speaker 1: got another job, which is oh, is that what happened? Yeah,
Speaker 1: she got her own show. She's so sorry, I gotta
Speaker 1: go play soccer. Yeah. But but but something about the scene,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, are all the reactions, not only
Speaker 1: when the moment is happening, but then after, you know,
Speaker 1: even you see there's all the kids are happy, and
Speaker 1: everybody's doing and Isabel runs over and Clary's beaming and
Speaker 1: everything's going on. Clarie and Jays have a nice little
Speaker 1: moment where they get to reconcile and go, look, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in this together, so let's let's figure it out together,
Speaker 1: because you're the only other person in this. But there's
Speaker 1: a there's a three shot of Hodge, Robert Lightwood and
Speaker 1: Marris's Lightwood at one point where you see Mariss fuming
Speaker 1: I mean, there might as well be steam coming out
Speaker 1: of her ears. Hodges trying to hide his smile because
Speaker 1: he's just you know, given the under under the brow
Speaker 1: thumbs up. And then you have poor Paulino as Robert,
Speaker 1: who just looks like he doesn't know what to do
Speaker 1: with himself. He wants to be happy, but he knows
Speaker 1: his wife's gonna be mad, so he's just started avoiding
Speaker 1: every thing. And it's my favorite three shot because it's
Speaker 1: such disparate reactions altogether. Absolutely made me giggle. And what
Speaker 1: a kiss, by the way, kiss for the ages. Honestly,
Speaker 1: what a kiss. Just brilliant. We move on from this
Speaker 1: sadly two A table full of magical shit, which I'm
Speaker 1: described script always playing with a dagger, table full of
Speaker 1: magical ship, which leads us to unfortunately the book is
Speaker 1: in the hands of Camille, is in the hands of mischievous,
Speaker 1: tricksy little mckeel, Camille mckille, Well mixed up there. That
Speaker 1: wasn't great mckeel. That's what I called her. That's how
Speaker 1: crazy she is. She's just all over the place. She's
Speaker 1: all over the place. So we got to go find Camille. Well,
Speaker 1: we know where she is she's laughed in a coffin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's not going anywhere, unlikely to have else got her
Speaker 1: locked up. Yeah, but it's it's in her possession, so
Speaker 1: we got to go talk to her to figure out
Speaker 1: where it is leading to. Poor Lydia by hasn't even
Speaker 1: taken her hair down from the wedding. An unknown and
Speaker 1: unknown attacker comes at her from the dark like a
Speaker 1: coward and smacks her. Smacks her silly, but what but
Speaker 1: why does that happen? Cat? Why would someone attack for
Speaker 1: Lydia the Mortal Cup? And who? Who would be so dastardly?
Speaker 1: But then it brings us to a really painful but
Speaker 1: touching scene that I remembered the scene, but I didn't
Speaker 1: remember the actual dialogue, and watching it back again, it's
Speaker 1: just a testament to our writers and how they thread
Speaker 1: everything together and just create such lovely moments. Clary brings
Speaker 1: out the j C Box because it's something that she's
Speaker 1: hidden away, knowing that it's her brother's sort of putting
Speaker 1: away that part of the confusing, all the confusing news
Speaker 1: that's come out about her family, the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I also have a sibling that died, so
Speaker 1: I thought now I'm now he's sitting around in front
Speaker 1: of me and knowing the pain of feeling abandoned by
Speaker 1: your parents and feeling as though you were rejected by them,
Speaker 1: and Clary, knowing who Jocelyn is and having seen Jocelyn
Speaker 1: struggle her whole life, wants to give that almost as
Speaker 1: a gift to Jace and say, look, this is this
Speaker 1: is you. You were not forgotten. You were not the abandoned,
Speaker 1: rejected child that you always thought you were. Loved your
Speaker 1: whole life. I always thought it said j G on
Speaker 1: that box. If you look at it, looks like a G.
Speaker 1: John Nath stupid. But it's interesting to see the role
Speaker 1: reverse this. Yeah, it's it's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: role reversal, but it is. It's interesting to see this.
Speaker 1: As you know, we've seen Jay's sort of shepherd Clary
Speaker 1: through this the whole time and bring her back to
Speaker 1: the ground when she's feeling lost and alone and abandoned,
Speaker 1: and we get to see Clary do that just even
Speaker 1: infantasmile for Jason this moment, even though it's a lot
Speaker 1: harder to touch that level of confusion. Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Um we end this episode, so then the Lightwood parents
Speaker 1: come front. I remember, Yeah, we get angry Mum and
Speaker 1: slightly confused like from the previous times Dad, who's just
Speaker 1: a bit like I don't get it. But if you're
Speaker 1: happy whatever, then that's fine. I really like that. Again,
Speaker 1: that's such a real it's such a genuine like thing
Speaker 1: where like people of a different generation are like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't really understand, but also good for you.
Speaker 1: I'm all right with it, And I love that. That
Speaker 1: was one of the I really loved that moment, and
Speaker 1: Paulino did such a good job at just being like
Speaker 1: this sort of behind the times dad, I thought was
Speaker 1: such a wonderful thing. That was really great and also
Speaker 1: a really nice moment for Alec to be like Earli,
Speaker 1: They've got my dad for now, at least I've got
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, I've got my dad. I've got my
Speaker 1: sister and it's it's it's not. Something that I love
Speaker 1: about our show as well, is that they don't shy
Speaker 1: away from the difficult sides of these controversies and the
Speaker 1: difficult sides of these situations. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: so many people have connected to Magnus and alec story,
Speaker 1: because it was very real. You have you know Maris
Speaker 1: who's saying some really really cutting things. Yeah, but we
Speaker 1: hear a lot of these kids talk about, you know, um,
Speaker 1: their experiences with coming out to their parents or whatever,
Speaker 1: and the Nicolo was their inspiration behind it because of
Speaker 1: the journey that Maris goes through, because of the lack
Speaker 1: of understanding initially, that grows into an understanding that gave
Speaker 1: these kids the courage to do, um, what they needed
Speaker 1: to do, which is really fantastic. It's a really wonderful
Speaker 1: thing to hear. This leads us to finding out who
Speaker 1: our dastardly villain is justly the rat, the more old heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and this is what this is. I
Speaker 1: think what drives Jace over the edge is that our friend,
Speaker 1: our mentor our teacher, the one person that we thought
Speaker 1: we could trust with anything, is a traitor, is an
Speaker 1: absolute traitor. I Hodge furious, absolutely furious Hodge, Why you bastard,
Speaker 1: you bastard? How could you? One book tidbit um that
Speaker 1: we actually changed is that what is Hodges using to
Speaker 1: communicate with Valentine the ring that he twists. It's a
Speaker 1: sely ring that is used as a two way communication device.
Speaker 1: There are two rings that exist, and if you twist
Speaker 1: it one way, it's um done. And it's actually used
Speaker 1: by Simon and Clary in the books when Clary is
Speaker 1: with Evil j when Team Evil is happening and Clary's
Speaker 1: off and Clary is in her own mind, she has
Speaker 1: the ring and Simon has the other one, and that's
Speaker 1: how they communicate. But so I end up having that
Speaker 1: in this because because we changed Team Evil, we never
Speaker 1: used that. Yes we did. Did you have the ring?
Speaker 1: I do? Oh? He did. Okay, that's the whole giveaway.
Speaker 1: That was the whole thing. In the seat, in the
Speaker 1: bone chandelier is the is the ring on my finger?
Speaker 1: Like I have to focus to keep it hidden? But yeah,
Speaker 1: I end up using it anyway for another day for now.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on this wonderful episode.
Speaker 1: Malick meant so much turn to all of us from
Speaker 1: the Shadow into this team, and I know meant so
Speaker 1: much to so many of you out there as well.
Speaker 1: So thank you for for coming along with us and
Speaker 1: allowing us to to revisit the wonderful birth of this relationship.
Speaker 1: It's so true and obviously you know dom you and
Speaker 1: I love what we do for a living, and we
Speaker 1: get a chance to tell these stories and do all
Speaker 1: these wonderful things. But when you have a moment in
Speaker 1: a story that has a greater benefit to a lot
Speaker 1: of people and and a real impact that people can
Speaker 1: connect to and it it it does some real good
Speaker 1: in the world. And I think Malick did a lot
Speaker 1: of good for a lot of people and showed Matt
Speaker 1: and Harry and the writers and everyone did such good
Speaker 1: job at creating this example of a real, grounded but
Speaker 1: also healthy relationship between two people and and how that
Speaker 1: affects the people around them and the relationships around them.
Speaker 1: And you know, we've heard so many stories of how
Speaker 1: it's inspired people, and it's um. I'm just so grateful
Speaker 1: to have been a small, tangential part of telling that story.
Speaker 1: And thank you to all of you for loving it
Speaker 1: as much as we did. Until next time, everybody out there,
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming with us. By Angels. Return to the
Speaker 1: Shadows is hosted and executive produced by me Dominic, Sherwood
Speaker 1: and Katherine McNamara. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior
Speaker 1: producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers
Speaker 1: are Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilion. Original music by Alex
Speaker 1: Kinzy performed by Alex Kinzy and kath from McNamara, and
Speaker 1: the episode was mixed by Seth A Landscape h