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Speaker 1: did I already do the Himmler? I hardly know where

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Speaker 1: a bit?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every one of the parts life Uh.

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Speaker 1: Huh, okay, well you can't do it for a lot

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Speaker 1: of the other Nazi leaders, you know, so I feel

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Speaker 1: guess I already got my money's worth, and also I

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Speaker 1: didn't pay any money. Welcome back to Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: a podcast where I Robert Evans have recorded I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like a thousand episodes, and I still don't know how

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Speaker 1: a success. Just podcasting. That's the only industry where that

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Speaker 1: works that way. Podcasting, just podcasting. Prop Jason Petty guest

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Speaker 1: back Himlick Himler talk Henrik, We've behind her Man. I

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Speaker 1: don't know these fucking episodes. Unfortunately, Himmler's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He might be my favorite Nazi in terms of like

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Speaker 1: reading about That's a bad way to phrase it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by him. He said, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know if there's I don't know if English has a

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Speaker 3: no word for what we're trying to say right now.

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Speaker 1: This is like my special interest is the different weirdos

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Speaker 1: who lead the Nazi Party. And I do a lot

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Speaker 1: of Himler reading, and honestly, I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: like do this episode succinctly in any way, shape or form,

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Speaker 1: Like we're on I'm I'm thirty six pages and fifteen

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Speaker 1: thousand words into it and I'm still not done writing.

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Speaker 1: So this is a disaster. This is just a fucking

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Speaker 1: calamity for me. Yeah yeah, listener.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just like there's a few people where every

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Speaker 3: rabbit trail is actually so fun. Yeah, like yeah, like

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Speaker 3: like you're like the one about uh, who's the guy that.

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Speaker 1: Oh of on list Yeah yeah, and these the yeah who's.

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Speaker 3: No, who's the dude that freaking ruined Cambodia? Not yeah,

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Speaker 3: yeah yeah poulpot Pole pot not him. I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: the American guy that ruins.

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Speaker 1: So you mean I hit it just Kissinger Kissinger.

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Speaker 3: Kissinger, Yes, where I'm like every rabbit hole on Kissinger

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Speaker 3: is its own adventure and you can't not say it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to keep going down. And it's like

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Speaker 1: with Himler, we've got to talk about all of these

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Speaker 1: and then that's a whole story, and you've got to

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Speaker 1: it still and keep talking about Heinrich Himler. When we

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Speaker 1: by ratting on his boss for using a Jewish tailor. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 4: Has no idea, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, well I'm also I'm trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: But they desperately want to feel special, and that's what

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Speaker 3: Listen, that's called the upsale right there, That's that's the

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You get to join the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's like, yeah, that's exactly what's it's it's

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Speaker 3: The star, right, I'm the star I've always seen myself

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his ego is entirely tied to the s okay, right,

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Speaker 4: Right, you can see how I'm standing on business right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's another one. That's that's another one for Sophie.

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Speaker 3: That's another one.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a Justin Bieber clip. So it's really one.

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Speaker 1: He's got a lot in common with Justin Bieber.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, side note to everyone this does a piece of media.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of Daily's Eye, guys, there was this clip of

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Speaker 3: Bieber and how he looks now and he has he

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Speaker 4: Now like that he kind of looks like he's half black.

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Speaker 3: It's like this fool might like take your lunch money

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Speaker 1: is kind of one of the first examples of an

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Speaker 1: international banking system, is created by the Knights Templar because

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Speaker 1: they build this network of bases from the Holy Land

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Speaker 1: all the way into Europe that function as an early

432
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Speaker 1: banking international banking system where if you go to one

433
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Speaker 1: of these places they have the records, then you can

434
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Speaker 1: like pull your money out wherever you happen to be right,

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Speaker 1: And that's a very that's a fairly new idea at

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Speaker 1: this point in time. There's some other stuff. They're not

437
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Speaker 1: the they're not the people to do something like this

438
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Speaker 1: are the only ones. But they're among the very first

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Speaker 1: people who are operating an internet, an intercontinental banking system.

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Speaker 1: That's a really wild thing to exist in the eleven

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Speaker 1: hundreds twelve hundreds, right, Yeah, now, this is legitimately impressive,

442
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: and it's a very The history of the Knights Templar

443
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Speaker 1: is fascinating, but the fact that they're the bankers for

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Speaker 1: most of Christendom leads to problems for them because people

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Speaker 1: don't like bankers, right know, people don't like bankers in

446
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Speaker 1: any period of time for the same reason, which is

447
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Speaker 1: that they wind up in debt to those banks. Right

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Speaker 1: And in the thirteen hundreds, the King of France winds

449
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Speaker 1: up owing a shitload of money to the Templars. And

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Speaker 1: if you're the king and you owe a lot of

451
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: money these people, you know what solves your problem real

452
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 1: easily arresting them, declare them heretics, and arrest these assholes

453
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Speaker 1: who you owe money to le just get rid of them.

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Speaker 4: Logical, Yeah, yes, now that is so funny to me.

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Speaker 1: He charges them with like worshiping idols. I think he's

456
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Speaker 1: saying that they're basically like devil worshippers. And he also

457
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Speaker 1: charges them with homosexual behavior, right, which I'm sure is

458
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Speaker 1: a lot of these are monks basically. Right. Of course,

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Speaker 1: of course, some of them are sht up at each other, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's part of my feel will become monks.

461
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Speaker 1: But these charges are bullshit. He's making shit up. So

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Speaker 1: he has an excuse to arrest the knights templar and

463
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Speaker 1: get rid of this like debt problem that he's got.

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Speaker 1: So they take a bunch of these guys into custody

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Speaker 1: in France and they torture the ever living shit out

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Speaker 1: of them until they confess to being, you know, worshiping

467
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Speaker 1: false idols and engaging in gay orgies and all this stuff. Right,

468
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Speaker 1: you know, you get people to say anything, and you

469
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Speaker 1: cut enough pieces off of them. So the king goes

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Speaker 1: to the Pope and he's like, look at what all

471
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Speaker 1: of these guys admitted to doing under torture. You should

472
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Speaker 1: arrest the whole order all over the Christian world, right,

473
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Speaker 1: because clearly they're all guilty. This conspiracy goes all the

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Speaker 1: way to the top. The Pope being. The Pope is like, well, yeah,

475
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Speaker 1: this is like this is like a power center that's

476
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Speaker 1: not me. So I've get some benefit in getting rid

477
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Speaker 1: of these guys. And I'm very much simplifying the story.

478
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Speaker 1: But this all ends with the Pope ordering all of

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Speaker 1: the kings of Europe to arrest the Knights Templar, the

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Speaker 1: whole order and they are expunged brutally. Right, that is

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Speaker 1: the real history of the Knights Templar in brief. But

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Speaker 1: guys like Liebenfels and Himmler, who are both both Himmler

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Speaker 1: and Liebenfels, are obsessed with the Knights Templar from a

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Speaker 1: young age. They're not interested in reality. To them, the

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Speaker 1: Templars are heroic, badass warriors fighting evil Muslims to protect

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Speaker 1: the faithful. This view was reinforced in Liebenfels when he

487
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Speaker 1: comes upon this grave because on this Templar grave that

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Speaker 1: he finds, it's carved with a relief of a knight

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Speaker 1: stomping on a monkey with his foot. And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to quote now from the book Hitler's Vienna by Brigitte Hahman. Quote.

491
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Speaker 1: Lance interpreted this as a reference to the need for

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Speaker 1: aristocratic master men to subject monkey men, and from then

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Speaker 1: on placed himself in the service of this idea which

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Speaker 1: had come to him in a dream. So he sees

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Speaker 1: this thing, and then he has a dream about it,

496
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Speaker 1: and he becomes like, oh, what the what the knights

497
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Speaker 1: Templar are trying to tell me? Right, because he thinks

498
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Speaker 1: this dream is like him, these the spirits of these

499
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Speaker 1: deceased nights speaking to him, is that there needs to

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Speaker 1: be an aristocratic master race that can keep a foot

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Speaker 1: on the monkey men. And I don't think I need

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Speaker 1: to tell you who the monkey men are, right, don't

503
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Speaker 1: need to be clear the kind of white supremacist that

504
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Speaker 1: this guy is. These guys, it's not just non light

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Speaker 1: it's also other kinds of white people, right, ye, Poles

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Speaker 1: or just as.

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Speaker 3: Polish blood out of you didn't, Yeah, no, you have

508
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Speaker 3: really stretched your definition of white.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is it's it's just it's a different

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Speaker 1: kind of white supremacy and a little bit than what

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Speaker 1: we have today. Not any less bad, just different. You

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Speaker 1: know what else is different the quality of advertisers that

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Speaker 1: we have on this podcast. No one else has ever

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Speaker 1: had advertisers as good as we have. You know, we do.

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Speaker 3: We do a blindfolded, like we we beget he's right.

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Speaker 3: We don't even know. He's just they just be good.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know this. Every single one

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Speaker 1: of our advertisers has been approved as a saint by

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Speaker 1: the Pope, you know, every one of them, don't. We

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Speaker 1: don't do it, that's right, A Chicago means.

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Speaker 4: Yep mm hm.

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Speaker 1: all of whom are currently being tortured by the King

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Speaker 1: of France. So, you know, very impressive that they're still

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Speaker 1: had happened after the financial crash in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 1: You know, if there was ever a time to torture bankers, man, right,

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Speaker 1: they'd have really learned their lesson in Yeah, maybe they

532
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Speaker 1: would have fixed things. Maybe the King of France was

533
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Speaker 1: onto something. In eighteen ninety nine, Lebenfels is ordained to

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Speaker 1: the priesthood. The next year he leaves the Order due

535
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Speaker 1: to what he described as a growing nervousness, and instead

536
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Speaker 1: founded a new order of his own, which he called

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Speaker 1: the Order of the New Templars. Now, unlike the Knights Templars,

538
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Speaker 1: his new Order is obsessed with the Holy Grail, which

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: he has grown interested in because he's reading all these

540
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Speaker 1: books on medieval myths, and so the New Templars their

541
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Speaker 1: three interests are the Holy Grail, men's rights, and race science.

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Speaker 4: Good fuck it.

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Speaker 1: Shit, uh it's good stuff.

544
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Speaker 4: Huh what the.

545
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Speaker 1: The whole trail men's rights and race?

546
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Speaker 2: Like god?

547
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Speaker 5: Oh man, yeah, like like you're already the worst human

548
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 5: beings and then you just had to add salsa on

549
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 5: top of it, Like yeah, you just you're already you.

550
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: Just added top of teal on top of already being

551
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: the worst human beings ever.

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Speaker 4: Just god, I hate these dudes. Yeah.

553
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny. The whole men's rights thing is

554
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: always so it's fascinating to me that that's every single time,

555
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: every time. Yeah, and like you're you're angry about men's

556
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: rights and the fucking nineteen oh two, Like what the fuck, man,

557
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: you own it? Women can't even vote most places.

558
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like you men's you're the only ones with rights, Like,

559
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Speaker 3: what war are you fighting?

560
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's really it's it's magical.

561
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Speaker 1: So Liebenfels starts recruiting men to his new Templar order

562
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Speaker 1: that he sees as natural rulers. Right, He's trying to

563
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Speaker 1: recruit the master men he wants to make. He wants

564
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Speaker 1: to make a nightly order and fill it with like

565
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Speaker 1: natural leaders who can like take over as the hierarchy

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Speaker 1: of Germany. Right, Like, that's that's what he's he wants

567
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Speaker 1: to create here, and his ideal candidate for the new

568
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Speaker 1: Templars are independently wealthy, racially pure Aryan men who are

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Speaker 1: honorable and honorable to him means that they're willing to

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Speaker 1: give George von Liebenfel's money, and a lot of a

571
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Speaker 1: shocking number of people are down to do that. Using

572
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Speaker 1: their donations, he buys an old, crumbling castle outside of

573
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Speaker 1: Wachau to be their headquarters. And the castle's name is Werferstein.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Nowitzel.

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Speaker 1: If you played, if you played first person shooters in

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Speaker 1: the nineties or more recently, you've heard of Wolfenstein, right, yeah,

577
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Speaker 1: Wolfenstein three D one of the very first first person

578
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: shooter games ever made, I think a very early game,

579
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Speaker 1: and obviously there's been more modern adaptations. And the basic

580
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: plot is you're an Allied soldier in a castle filled

581
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Speaker 1: with like German occult bullshit and you've got to fight

582
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Speaker 1: your way to the end where Hitler has a robot

583
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: body and two chain guns for arms. But there's a

584
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Speaker 1: lot of a cult, weird bullshit. There's like they're raising

585
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Speaker 1: the dead. There's magic and all sorts of stuff. And

586
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Speaker 1: the name of Castle Wolfenstein comes from Castle Werferstein, right,

587
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: like this is, and it's not the only there's another

588
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: castle that also inspire Stein. But yeah, it's wild, right, yeah,

589
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: like there is. It's one of those things. The amount

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Speaker 1: of actual history that these games are based on is

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Speaker 1: kind of surprising. You would expect it to be basically none,

592
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Speaker 1: but there is more than a little bit of real

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Speaker 1: history Herebviously, the Nazis weren't really raising the dead. Most

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Speaker 1: historians degree Hitler did not have a robot body and

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Speaker 1: chain gun arms, but that is still debated.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say it's still debated, still debated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Richard Evans's biography of Hitler really goes

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Speaker 1: into the chain gun arms hypothesis, but it's argued, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think I read a book somewhere. Yes, So in

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Speaker 1: nineteen oh two, George, who's now going as Lanz von

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Speaker 1: Liebenfel's adopts a fake identity complete with forged documents. He

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Speaker 1: now claimed to have been born in Messina, Italy, and

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Speaker 1: he changed the name of his father from Johann Lanz

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Speaker 1: to Baron Johann Lanz deliban Fells. Now he claims that

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Speaker 1: this invented father was a member of the Swabian nobility right,

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Speaker 1: which makes obviously Libenfels a noble, which is why he

607
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Speaker 1: starts going by Vaughan. Now, both of his real parents

608
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Speaker 1: are still alive. I think, like, wait a second, you're

609
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Speaker 1: lying at out who your dad is while your real

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Speaker 1: dad is alive. But he doesn't see. This doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: to have caused him any problems right.

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Speaker 4: Now, ain't no internet, So.

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Speaker 1: Who's gotta call this up?

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Speaker 4: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you go all the way into the countryside to

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Speaker 3: go find my father?

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Speaker 1: Yeah he goes. He basically like yeah, starts claiming like no,

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm gonna talent, I'm a Swabian nobleman. You know,

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Speaker 1: so you can call me Lonz von Libenfels. That's that's

620
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Speaker 1: my name now. And he also gives himself a fake PhD.

621
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Speaker 1: Because if you're forging documents, why stop it?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, why not, bro, Like, dude, add the guacamole. Man,

624
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Speaker 3: upgrade to the platinum package. You're already you already changed

625
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: your name, already gave you Yeah, just upgrade the dude, yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: And then like, why don't you throw in, like throwing

627
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Speaker 3: a couple ex girlfriends, you know what I mean, like

628
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Speaker 3: a couple couple of supermodel ex girlfriends.

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Speaker 4: Why not? Yep.

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Speaker 1: So, by this point, levin Fels has become a follower

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Speaker 1: of von List, you know, who creates this armin In

632
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Speaker 1: theory about these priests of Wotan and and List adopts

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Speaker 1: Libanfel's as kind of a protege, like he sees this, Oh,

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Speaker 1: you changed your name too. You're also pretending to come

635
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Speaker 1: from an aristocratic, noble background just like me. You know,

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Speaker 1: they kind of like they're simpatico. There's just like this

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00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: natural alliance that they have because they're both the same

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00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: kind of con man and in the same kind of nerd.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: Again, in a modern era, fucking von List would be

641
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: the dungeon master and Liban Fells would be like the

642
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: guy who always has time for recession, right, yes, yes,

643
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and they're there. The List is aware that Libanfels is

644
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: like faking his ancestry because he creates a fake family

645
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: tree for the von Liebenfels like family with a heraldic

646
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: figure that includes imagery from lists invented Arminin. So he

647
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: he creates like a fake family tree and like a

648
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: family crest, using like the the room zones that those

649
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: ghosts told them in a dream, you know, to help all,

650
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: to help out liban Fels.

651
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: You know, yeah.

652
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: I just feel like if you if you're like sitting

653
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: like four chairs down in like the office meeting, like,

654
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: are you like we gotta take this, We have to

655
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 3: take him serious, Like I have to take this serious?

656
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 3: Did like he just you just made up your whole pass?

657
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 3: Or do they not know that this is comically made up?

658
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: I think outside of Liban Felsen List, their followers don't,

659
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: and certainly the people who are just like reading because

660
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: they've got their followers who are actually showing up and

661
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: doing rituals with them. Both lebon Fells and List have

662
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: their own organizations that they've said, like libanfels has like

663
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: this order of the New Templar. Most of those guys

664
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: don't know. And it's hard for me not to think

665
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: of libanfels En List. I can imagine them as like

666
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: me when I'm ten with my friend, as we're like inventing,

667
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, creating our own worlds for like D and

668
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: D games, or like creating our own space marine chapters

669
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: for Warmer and being like and this is this guy's

670
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: backstory and he did all of what they're doing, right, Yeah.

671
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: That's what I'm to say. But we've grown ass men.

672
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: So that's what I mean by like, it's fun if

673
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 3: we know we're suspending reality. But you literally went to

674
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: the office to change your name to him and your.

675
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: Dad is alive, sir, Your father simply is alive. Still, Like,

676
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: you know this is full of shit.

677
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 4: We know he's not that.

678
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the big question, is right, does the does

679
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: the fact that these guys know they're lying make them

680
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: believe they're bullshit any less? And I think the answer

681
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: is no. And I'm going to quote from Brigitte Haman

682
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: again quote later on, Lonz would explain these manipulations by

683
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: saying he wanted to avoid astrological checkups of himself. However,

684
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: the real reason was the Hoffenreich family's Jewish ancestry, which

685
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: made LANs fail to meet his own racial criteria in

686
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the order of the new Templars. He did succeed in

687
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: sneaking these false facts into the City of Vienna's official

688
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: registration files. Thus Adolph Lanz became the Aryan baron Adolph

689
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: georgelnzvan Libenfel's PhD. And so he justifies this when people

690
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: find out, you know, anyone who finds out, he's like, oh,

691
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want anyone to be able to like do

692
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: like astrologically, like like spy on me, So I had

693
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: to fake some dates about my birth. But that's the

694
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: only reason he's actually doing this, because he's got Jewish

695
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: family and List again the fact that List is willing

696
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: to help him disguise his Jewish ancestry. And I think

697
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: it's because it lets List spread his bullshit even more

698
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: because he gets to create a fake family tree and

699
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: a fake family crest and he can go to You

700
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 1: don't think the arm and in are reel well, look,

701
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: my friend, who's a real noble and registered with the government.

702
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: His family crest has these symbols that came to me

703
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: in a dream. Obviously, everything I'm saying is real, you

704
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: know now, Like his mentor list, Libenfels makes his money

705
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: as a journalist. In pre war Imperial Germany, a number

706
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: of moneyed conservatives had subsidized the creation of pan German newspapers,

707
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: which existed to support these the still new concept of

708
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: German as an identity by pretending it had always been

709
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: a thing. So he's being paid by these right wing

710
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: conservatives who buy newspapers to have guys like this lie

711
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: about the German identity, right like, because nationalism, you know,

712
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: is in their best financial interests. And Libanfell's patron is

713
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: this guy, George Schoenerer, who's this you know, he's this

714
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: very rich dude who's a nationalist. And liban Fells repays

715
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Shoner by licking his boots in print, he writes, you know,

716
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: as he's writing about these ancient arians and the Volcish movement,

717
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: he's writing about how great Schoner is, right like, this

718
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: guy is the very model a of a of a

719
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: of a Nordic you know, superman. Right now. As time

720
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: goes on, liban Fels gets more and more obsessed with

721
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: lists Arman and priests and the ancient Aryans, and this

722
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: carouses him to break with the Catholic Church that he

723
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: he'd literally been a monk. Right now. Part of why

724
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: he breaks from the Church is that his financial patriot, Schonerer,

725
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: had also created something called the Away from Rome movement. Now,

726
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: this is part of a larger struggle. We've talked about

727
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: this in several episodes. At the birth of the German

728
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: nation of Imperial Germany after the Franco Prussian War, Autovon

729
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: Bismarck has this huge fight with the Catholic Church because

730
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church is a problem for the Kaiser. It's

731
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: a problem for Bismarck, and it's going to be a

732
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: problem for the Nazis because Catholics don't just look at

733
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: whoever's in charge of their country as a leader. They've

734
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: always also got the pope and that's a second center

735
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: of power. That's an issue for you if you want

736
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: to be a dictator, right.

737
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: If you ain't first your last baby, you know exactly exactly.

738
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: So Schonerer starts this Away from Rome movement, and part

739
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: of why he likes Libenfels is Lebenfel's this weird pagan shit.

740
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: Even though Schoner maybe doesn't fully buy into the pagan

741
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: stuff it lets it's it's something that separates people from

742
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: the Church in Rome, you know. And Lonza's big innovation

743
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: in fact is that he turns the away From movement

744
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: into the Aryan race movement. The Aryan race movement gets started.

745
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: A lot of the initial impetus behind it is people

746
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: can be like, anyone can be a Catholic, right, you

747
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: don't have to be white. The Catholic Church is happy

748
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: to have non white people in it. Obviously still racist,

749
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 1: but non white people can be Catholic. Non white people

750
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: can go to Heaven. Right, Jesus will save all of them.

751
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: You know that that's pretty cool. White Jesus like doctrine. Right,

752
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: it may be white Jesus, but he'll still save a

753
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: black person or you know, someone who's brown and someone

754
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: who's Native American. Right, they can all be Catholic. And

755
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: that's a huge issue for racists like liban fels En

756
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: list and shown Er right, and so hey, hold u.

757
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: That's another thought that ever crossed my mind that like,

758
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: if you a white supremacist that still believes in somewhat

759
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 3: some version of the Christian God that you like, wait

760
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: a minute now, you telling me Heaven is going to

761
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: have other races in it.

762
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: It's not segregated, like the.

763
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: That's a problem for me, like you.

764
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: That's exactly what Leeban Fels is saying. And that's why again,

765
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: the birth of the Aryan race movement is in trying

766
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: wanting to come up with something to replace Catholicism in

767
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: the minds of a lot of germs and replace because

768
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: you know they're focusedtionally on Catholicism. But this is a

769
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: problem that they have with all of Christianity, which is

770
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: too serious. If you take your Christianity seriously, you have

771
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: to accept that other races are loved by God and

772
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: can be saved, right, yeah, but if those other races

773
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: aren't really human, that's right question. You know, there's some

774
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: room to both be like, well, Jesus is an Aryan

775
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: and God the only bio blue or a fit for

776
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: heaven are arians, right, yeah.

777
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: And that's the yeah.

778
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: The the Jonathan Edwards like the sinners in the hands

779
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: of angry God guy, like he was like, dude, you know,

780
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: if if all people are made in the image of God,

781
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: including the slaves in the Savages, then we should give

782
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: them the Gospel. I'm just not sure that they're human.

783
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, And that's what like Leban Fels is

784
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: trying to replace the Roman Catholic Church and to a

785
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: larger extent, Christianity with this worship of like the Aryan race,

786
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: and this idea of no, no, no, What matters is

787
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: not saving souls. What matters is saving the Aryan race

788
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: through selective breeding, right, in order to fix the problems

789
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: that race mixing has created. Right and Libanfels's argument is

790
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 1: that everyone's, every every Germans primary duty is to their race,

791
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: and so Aryan descended people have to reject Rome in

792
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: order to properly show race loyalty. He writes, quote, the

793
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: religious controversies of former times and the national wars of

794
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: the most times are about the forerunners of a tremendous

795
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: struggle among the races for global predominance. Already we see

796
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: everywhere the signs of this most enormous of all battles appear.

797
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: The Mediterranean countries, Mongols and Negroes are getting ready for

798
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: their joint fight against the Germanic race. Now in this

799
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: upcoming fight, Rome is the leader of the alliance of

800
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: inferior races and quote the Germans most embittered enemy. So

801
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: he has turned this from like, no, no, everyone's loyalty

802
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: should be to the race instead of the church, to

803
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic Church. Is the head of this evil

804
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: alliance of non white people that's going to destroy, you know,

805
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: the Nordic race, the Germans. You know, that's that's that's

806
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: what he's selling.

807
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: So rather than feeling solidarity with all of the people that.

808
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 4: Were conquered by the Roman Empire, do you know.

809
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, if you already

810
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: use in this myth making, well.

811
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting because he is there is there is

812
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: a line from like this obsession with many fighting against

813
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: the Romans and like the victory and Turnerberg Forest and everything,

814
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: and his hatred of the Roman Catholic Church. Right, this

815
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of Germans have always been defined

816
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: by their resistance. Rome has always been the enemy, right

817
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: one way or the other. That is very interesting, you know.

818
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: But what we have at this point is this has

819
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: gone from these guys being like nerds and cooking up

820
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: their own fake version of medieval history and wanted to

821
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: feel like I'm descended from knights, I'm the reincarnation of

822
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: this you know, ancient noble twelfth century night to There's

823
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: a race war brewing, and the Catholic Church is going

824
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: to lead it, and we need to get we need

825
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: to convince our fellow Germans to reject Catholicism and worship

826
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: this idea of the Aryan race, this new and return

827
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: to these old pagan beliefs that again we've largely created

828
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: about Wotan and the fucking like, right, like, that's what

829
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: they're going for here. So List and Lawns cross promoted

830
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: each other's ideas and organizations. And it's Libanfels who first

831
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: uses the swastika as a symbol of a far right

832
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: area and racist movement. When he creates the new templar

833
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: coat of arms, he puts the swastika in it, right,

834
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: And so all of and this is, you know, nineteen

835
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: oh six or so, we're at Hitler, is just a

836
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: fucking bum in Vienna, and all of the pieces of

837
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: Nazi have come together in these occult mystic organizations, right

838
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that Libanfell's Enlist that they are the ones who create

839
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: the basis of it, right. This is where Hitler gets everything,

840
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: and it's where Hitler gets everything right.

841
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

842
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: Obviously there's some other guys, but they're all related. To listen, Libenfels,

843
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: you can draw a line between them. We've talked about

844
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: you know, modern Blavatsky is a part of this. But listen,

845
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Libanfels are really they're like the spiritual grandfathers of Nazism. Yeah,

846
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: speaking of the spiritual grandfathers of Nazism, they would never

847
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: by the products and services that support this podcast.

848
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: It might be the spiritual grand children.

849
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: Who's to say, Yeah, I'm to say they're not buy

850
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856
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Speaker 1: area in racist.

859
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Speaker 4: You might become a legendary psychologist.

860
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you might, or you might o d because

861
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: Jerry's cocaine is one hundred percent fenyl. Who's to say,

862
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, what, Sophie, this is what the ad said.

863
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: Jerry paid us good money for this, wow, thirty dollars.

864
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: So we're talking about listen, Lonz. They're cross promoting each

865
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: other's ideas and organizations. Libenfel's uses is the first to

866
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: use the swastika. And yeah, it's also, you know, as

867
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: important as it is to know that this is where

868
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 1: Nazism and the SS come from. This is their backstory,

869
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: and millions of people die partly as a result of

870
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: like these nerds geeking out over their fucking weird medieval

871
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: obsession with the fucking knights templar and all this stuff.

872
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: It's also important to know that there's a lot of

873
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: silly stuff in these beliefs, a lot of stuff that's

874
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: just ridiculous that doesn't even tie into like what we

875
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: know from the Nazis. Like, there's a lot of just

876
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: absolute nonsense here. And I want to quote from uh

877
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: Hitler's Vienna again. Quote. In nineteen oh six, Lonz's most

878
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: important work was published theo Zoology or the News about

879
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: the Little Sodom Monkeys and the odds Electron. A member

880
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: of his generation which experienced electricity as an overwhelming phenomenon.

881
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Lonza ascribed to the Aryan god's electric powers and borrowed

882
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: ideas from Carl von Reechenbach's theories on magnetism and the

883
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: breath of life. The human brain, for example, was described

884
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: as a breath accumulator. He corroborated his obscure ideas with

885
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: biblical sources and arrived at conclusions such as Christ proven

886
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: to have been an electric human being during the Tertiary

887
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: Jesus was made out of electricity. Electricity people are just

888
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: just because it's new and it's cool.

889
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, I get it.

890
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: I get it.

891
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 3: If you hit a switch and some lights up, Yeah,

892
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: like you, it's definitely magic.

893
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: And this is all very silly, it's very empt the

894
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: fact that like the title of this book, theozoology, or

895
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: the news about the little sodom monkeys and the gods electron,

896
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: it's all just like wildly ridiculous. Yes, but this is

897
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: also tied directly to This is a part of an

898
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: ongoing trend that extends to the present day within fascism,

899
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 1: which is fascism is always inextricably tied with futurism. Right.

900
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: In Italy, the first fascists to name themselves such worshiped

901
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: airplanes and automobiles as signs of modernity. Right, that's a

902
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: huge deal for early fascism, is like this worship of speed, right,

903
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: and fascism is an I we you know, people think

904
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: about like and we've been talking about these guys who

905
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: are obsessed with the Middle Ages, but they're also obsessed

906
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: with new technology. And fascism is an ideology for the future,

907
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: for people who embrace action for the sake of action

908
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: and speed for the sake of speed. And Libenfel's is

909
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: doing something similar here, right, this kind of bringing electricity

910
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: into it. Right, you can and should draw a line

911
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: from that, from what he's doing, from these Italian fascists

912
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: who are in love with automobiles and race cars and stuff,

913
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: to the embrace of AI aesthetics by the modern fascists. Right.

914
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, I know Airby don't be watching this,

915
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 3: but like y'all that are watching, ask mama faces looking

916
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: like this, because I'm just like, oh why it, Oh

917
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 3: my god.

918
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: You know it's this Leban Fels convinces himself that like

919
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Christ must have been like this being of electricity, because

920
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: that's the sexy new technology. And our modern fascists have

921
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: convinced themselves that using AI, they're going to make a

922
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: god out of God exactly rule the future. You know.

923
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: It's the fact that all these Silicon Valley founders have

924
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: have gotten in bed with fascism. Isn't a deviation from

925
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: the norm. It's not weird. This is a return to

926
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: the battle day.

927
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: They're so broke, Doug Man, it's like, it's I hate

928
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: you can't use extreme words. But just like every answer, huh,

929
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 3: Like every question we got already been answered, Like just

930
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: it's crazy that that's already because that was an open

931
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: question to me. I was like, why, y'all, what is

932
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: the thing?

933
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 4: Like? Is this a hustle?

934
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: Like is there a I don't seem to play like

935
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: with with these tech bros. I was like, like truly,

936
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 3: I was like I don't see the play, Like what

937
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 3: is the play? And now I see it.

938
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: It's and a lot of this is rooted in this

939
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: idea of if you're if you're obsessed with modernity and

940
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: these new ideas and new technologies, part of what you

941
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: have to do is sweep away the old and democracy

942
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: is the idea that people deserve rights is old. We

943
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: don't have time for that. Right. The future, like, you know,

944
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is we're doing with this new technology is

945
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: more important than these these archaic ideas of human rights.

946
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: Yes, And that there has to be a great you know,

947
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: the great men theory like of history, like there has

948
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: to be a great man that steps in a christ

949
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: like figure if you will to like make it happen persadly.

950
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 4: Yes.

951
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: Now, Libanfels from this basis formulates a view, a new

952
00:51:54,120 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: view of morality that discards everything besides race. Writing quote,

953
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: everything that is good for the superior race is moral,

954
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: and everything that is harmful immoral. Right, So ethics is

955
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: based now entirely upon what is good for the Nordic race,

956
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: for the Germanic race. Right. The words are kind of interchangeable. Here,

957
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: it's good and what brings us closer is it's again.

958
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: It's like how a lot of these we've talked about,

959
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 1: these different Silicon Valley cults, like the Zizians, everything that's

960
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: good for bringing about the birth of this benevolent godlike Ai.

961
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that determines good and evil. Right,

962
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: what you do to people is immaterial. As long as

963
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: you're taking us closer to birthing this Ai God, that's

964
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: the only thing that matters. Now. The ultimate logical conclusion

965
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: of this kind of thinking is that other races cannot

966
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: coexist in Germany, because if you let other races survive

967
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: within you know, this this heartland of these Germans, the

968
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: Nordic peoples, the remaining Nordic peoples, race mixing will inevitably occur,

969
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: right and quote, if they mingle with inferior races, then

970
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: the divine in them will gradually disappear as well. And

971
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: I've talked about how Tolkien is writing his stories. He's

972
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: basing a lot of what he's writing on a lot

973
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: of the same things these guys are. They're interested in

974
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: the same myths. You know, Liban fels is interested in

975
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: the Arthurian myth. That's a big thing for Tolkien. We've

976
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: talked a lot about the Nibbu Lungan cycle, right, which

977
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: Leban fells Enlist are both obsessed with. Himmler is obsessed

978
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: with as a boy. That's one of the direct inspirations

979
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: for the Lord of the Rings and the Nazis conceive

980
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: of and by the way, I'm not saying anything. Tolkien

981
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: was not in anyway Nazi and anyway hated the Nazis,

982
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: specifically rejected their anti Semitism. Obviously, he was a man

983
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: of his time. There's some problematic stuff in there, but

984
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: he was not. I don't think he was a bad

985
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: person at all. The Nazis, though, do see. The Nazi

986
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: conception of the Aryans is a lot like how Tolkien

987
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: conceives of the men of Numenor, right, which is you

988
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: know Aragren in the Lordings movies. It's just to be

989
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: like eighty something, right, because something Yeah, he comes from

990
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: a superior type of human beings, who's who had lived,

991
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds and hundreds of years and were much

992
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: more powerful and just better but over the thousands of

993
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: years than the men of Numenor are dying out right,

994
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: what the Nazis are doing they see the Aryans as

995
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: like the men of Numenor, And the goal of Nazi

996
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: eugenics is not just eliminating non Aryans, which is kind

997
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: of what people think today is like, oh, they wanted

998
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: to wipe out everyone who wasn't an area. No, no, no, no,

999
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: they wanted to wipe out the non Aryans because those

1000
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: people were watering down Aryans blood.

1001
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 4: They turned to their godlikeness.

1002
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: Right, they were trying to breed Nordic people together to

1003
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: recreate this mythical super race, right to bring back the

1004
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: men of numenor so to speak.

1005
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1006
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: This butl started with list In Libanfels, the latter of

1007
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: whom wrote extensively about the need to quote refine and

1008
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: improve one's race through pure breeding, the only genuine and

1009
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: effective kind of repentance for the sin of intermingling God. Now.

1010
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: List had prodded this issue, but liban Fels makes it

1011
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: an obsession. In nineteen oh five, he launched a magazine, Astara,

1012
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: which he described as the first and only publication dedicated

1013
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: to studying quote heroic racesdom and men's rights direct quote

1014
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: I means rights.

1015
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1016
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I'm somebody. I feel like that's

1017
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: like them. When bills get announced that the Congress has

1018
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: going to vote on. Yeah, and if somebody just throws

1019
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: one at the end, that ain't got nothing to do

1020
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: with what we're about to vote on. And men's rights

1021
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: like wen's rights, Like why are we talking about that?

1022
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: Well, let me explain why because in the pages of

1023
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 1: Astara Liban, Fells extensively explored how concepts like the family,

1024
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: like what we call the nuclear family, and women's rights,

1025
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: which was still not not much in that period of time,

1026
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: had to be reformed and curtailed in order to save

1027
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: the race. He advocated for the establishment of colonies in

1028
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: rural parts of Germany where quote, brood mothers could be

1029
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 1: protected and isolated from inferior races and kept constantly pregnant

1030
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: by men with the blood of the armanine him a woman, Right, Okay,

1031
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: he's against. He's now increasingly against the idea of like marriage,

1032
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: right because, like the family, all of that limits how

1033
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: many Aryan kids you can pop out. He writes, quote

1034
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: we have protected our cattle against racial degeneration and contamination

1035
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: by way of cattle breeding tariffs, but we still render

1036
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: unprotected human beings to contamination and blood adulteration.

1037
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: God damn yeah, okay.

1038
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: Right, we got to treat our people more like we

1039
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: treat our cat.

1040
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like, man, if he's so great, if like,

1041
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: while in the middle of this wildest person is talking,

1042
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: you just pulled out like the perfect just like l

1043
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 3: pastor Taco and just be like, may eat this, eat this,

1044
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, hold up, And we need to

1045
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: keep the periods you've had.

1046
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: You've had literally nothing but sausage. That's yet us your

1047
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: whole life. Try this, they're seasoning in it.

1048
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, here's a burritos. We just need to keep

1049
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 4: the race from home.

1050
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: Motherfucker. This is called pad tie. Eat it.

1051
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, this is called a noodle.

1052
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, no, listen to I don't well, I don't

1053
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: know that would have affected him. But he starts advocating

1054
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: in addition to all like, because of all this, he

1055
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: starts advocating for polygamy to be legal, specifically for soldiers

1056
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: who have proved their racial worth in battle. Right that, like, well,

1057
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: if you know, a veteran comes back from the war

1058
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: having proved himself to be a superior kind of man,

1059
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: he should be impregnating as many women as possible, right,

1060
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: And weak men should be stopped from breeding. In fact,

1061
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: we should sterilize the mentally ill, and we should euthanize

1062
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: anyone that's unproductive. Right. He is one of the first. Again,

1063
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: there's other people who he's not the only guy having

1064
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: these ideas, but he's one of the first people writing

1065
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: these in an influential publication. And we don't know because

1066
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: Hitler is a homeless bum in Vienna, living intermittently and

1067
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: like a men's hostel and like selling postcards, is paintings

1068
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: as postcards, basically a lot of the time doing like

1069
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: sketches for money. It's theorized that he read Astara he based.

1070
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean, all of his biographers pretty much agree he

1071
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: almost certainly came across issues of this, he read a

1072
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: good amount of it, and he also would have read

1073
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: people are There's a lot of what's going around are

1074
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: like cheaply put together pamphlets and tracts that are being

1075
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: seld on the street, a lot of which are like

1076
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: plagiarizing a Stara too, right, So we don't know. We

1077
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: don't have like a list that he's on as a subscriber,

1078
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: but he is definitely reading this stuff, because he himself

1079
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: wrote that during this time he came across countless hundreds

1080
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of pages of like different sort

1081
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: of like writing on racial theory and uh, you know

1082
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: the like all of this like aryan race science and stuff.

1083
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: So he's really Hitler is actively reading this during the

1084
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: most like influenceable period of his life.

1085
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 3: You know, like, okay, so two thoughts here, Just how

1086
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: much of these weird, sweeping, full like hitting the Ala

1087
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: moth of just these like pithy ideas somehow or another

1088
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: comeback to, oh, you just want to fuck more girls?

1089
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 3: Just like how you doing all this just to be

1090
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: like you just trying to you just trying to smash more.

1091
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 3: You want a justification to smash whoever you want without

1092
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 3: any responsibility. That's what you're trying to do, right, And

1093
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 3: and of course there might be more to it, but

1094
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: I'm just so surprised how often it just oh, you

1095
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: just want some girls.

1096
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,479
Speaker 1: Right, You're angry that they have a choice in the matter,

1097
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: and that like yeah that.

1098
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 3: You you you show them who you are and they

1099
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: say no, thank you, and then you think that was

1100
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: unjust yeah you're like, what do you mean it was?

1101
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1102
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 4: So I think that, Yeah, it's the same.

1103
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: So much of it is that ego thing of like

1104
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: people not being able to take being told no, just

1105
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: like yeah, this is a bit different. But the fact

1106
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: that you can see with a lot of our the

1107
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: most prominent like people like Elon Musk and Mark Andresen

1108
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: of these like fascist ideologues we're dealing with today. The

1109
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: root of why they started making this far right turn

1110
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: is they got on social media and people made fun

1111
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: of them. People, Yeah, when they would have a bad take,

1112
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: they would get like mocked, and the you know most

1113
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: of us, that happens to us, you know, very periodically,

1114
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: Like someone will be ad dick to you online and

1115
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: you just to be like, yeah, you know, that happens.

1116
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: But these guys, their whole life outside of this, no

1117
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: one's ever talked shit to them, no one ever been

1118
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: mean to them. Like the whole their whole world on

1119
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: a daily basis is people agreeing with them, like reflexively,

1120
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: and the fact that that doesn't happen online cute. This

1121
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: is also a big factor in Hitler's childhood or not childhood,

1122
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: like early adulthood. Astara is one of the magazines he

1123
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: is reading, you know when or as a kid, like

1124
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: he gets access to this, and he gets access more

1125
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: to the point when he's an adult. Astara is I

1126
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: think out of publication most of that time, but people

1127
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: are cribbing from it and plagiarizing it and rewriting it

1128
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: right like this is it's like an er text of

1129
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: the Volkish movement and all this stuff, you know. So

1130
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: the listin Liebenfeld's are really the core of the ideology

1131
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: that obsesses both Hitler and Himler. Hitler is primarily going

1132
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: to be focused on building the like rebuilding the Aryan

1133
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: race and you know, finding living space, which is another thing.

1134
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: Libenfels writes a lot about the need for living space,

1135
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: the need for expansion for Germany, for Germans to have

1136
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: more space to colonize, to you know, breed. So Hitler

1137
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: takes a lot of that. Himmler also takes a lot

1138
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: of the magic stuff, right like, he a lot more

1139
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: of it than Hitler does. So when World War One

1140
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: rolls around, both List and Libanfels are really bullish on

1141
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: the war, right, because it's going to lead to the

1142
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: Germany's going to conquer a bunch of land, obviously, and

1143
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: then we'll have this space that we need, you know,

1144
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: we'll defeat our racial enemies. But the war doesn't go

1145
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: as well as they'd hoped, and the privations of the

1146
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: war years forces Ustara to stop publishing because paper gets

1147
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: very expensive. Guido von List probably dies partially as a

1148
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: result of the food shortages in the war. He dies

1149
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: like right after it ends. He's kind of old, but

1150
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: the fact that like he had been starving like everyone

1151
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: else probably contributes to his ill health. During the war years,

1152
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: Libanfels refines his theozoology beliefs that he'd written that book

1153
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: about about like electric Jesus at everything, yeah, yea, and

1154
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: he comes to the conclusion that like theozoology kind of

1155
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: a shitty name, like, go, I gotta rework this. And

1156
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: by the time the war ends and the Weimar Republic

1157
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: comes into being, he has smoothed all of this out

1158
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: and come up with a new name for his belief system,

1159
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: ariosophy or Aryan mysticism, right, And this is he's very

1160
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: like consciously aping Helena Blovotsky's theosophy, right, Like that's that's

1161
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: part of what's going on here. We've talked about this

1162
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: in our episodes on her. But yeah, ariosophy is Aryan mysticism,

1163
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: and that is what liban Fels is kind of selling.

1164
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: Once the war ends and once Heinrik Khimler starts really

1165
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: getting into the stuff when he has his his sick

1166
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: period where he's reading everything he can get his hands on. Ariosophy,

1167
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: Like that's how he comes into the ideas of Listen

1168
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: Liebenfels in a big way. Yeah, and it's here we

1169
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: returned to Heinrich Kimler billion and his book Hitler's Master

1170
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: of the Dark Arts describes young Himler and his school

1171
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: days as having a passing familiarity with Guidophon list. He

1172
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: had some involvement in a Volcus group mold by lists

1173
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: in Liebenfeld's theories, the Toule Society, which added to the

1174
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: growing corpus of Aryan fantasy, the idea that the ancient

1175
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: homeland of the Arians was an isolated Nordic island or

1176
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: continent in the Arctic named Ultima Tooley and I'm saying

1177
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: Tully that's how it's pronounced, but it spelled thule thchul. E.

1178
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: Himler would have become familiar with a German new ager

1179
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: named Adam Glower through his interest in the Tuley Society.

1180
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: Glower was a disciple of Listen Liebenfeld, so much so

1181
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 1: that he actually changed his name and gave himself a Vaughn,

1182
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: going by Rudolph Vaughan Sebottendorf. We know Himmler was familiar

1183
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: with Sebotandorf because one of the Freikorp units he joined

1184
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: in nineteen nineteen was founded and run by Sebotendorf. Another

1185
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: prominent Tule Society member was Dietrich Eckert, an Ariosophist who

1186
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: founded a political party, the German Workers Party. Now all

1187
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: of this background is necessary to understand why Himmler did

1188
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: the things that he did. Once he took over the

1189
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: SS in nineteen twenty nine, he was well familiar with

1190
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: the secret societies that Listen Liebenfels had created. Thanks to

1191
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: their example, the far right was rife with such societies,

1192
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: including the Touley Society. Himmler deliberately sought to make the

1193
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: SS something similar, but also something beyond what any of

1194
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: those men had ever dreamed. A state within a state

1195
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 1: like Libenfel's. He used the Knights Templar, or at least

1196
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: his mental image of them, as a model. His goal

1197
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: was to breed a new nobility, using the theories of

1198
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: Liebenfels as a guide. Oh my god, and that's where

1199
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: we're going to end. For today we still ain't Yeah, Okay, no,

1200
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot to get through. You really

1201
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: want to understand why all of this happens the way

1202
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: it does, why Nazism becomes what it is, why Himmler

1203
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: does what he does with the as leader of the SS.

1204
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: You need all of this history. There's so much to

1205
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: get through to really are.

1206
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 2: We even at the third rig?

1207
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: No, no, this is.

1208
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: Right.

1209
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: We're twenty nine Himmler. Hitler's a few years away from power.

1210
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: We're getting close to the Nazis being in power. But like, no,

1211
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: this is this is we're at.

1212
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: The moment where the party that Hitler joins just started.

1213
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: That's like, that's where I mean, we finally we're beyont

1214
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: because we've gotten to Himler taking over the SS. It's

1215
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine, so we're about where I just had

1216
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: to I debated between just starting with all of the

1217
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: prehistory and then in episode like three, getting to Himler,

1218
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: and I felt like we should explain Himmler's background then

1219
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of anyway, these are the choices I made. I

1220
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: thought this was the best way to do it. We'll see.

1221
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: It's great if it's helpful to everyone. But yeah, uh

1222
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: so we're gonna end this episode. It's nineteen twenty nine.

1223
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: Himmler has succeeded in rebuilding the SS up to like

1224
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: a thousand men, and he has this dream of turning

1225
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: it into a Nightly Order that is the new racial

1226
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: elite of Europe. And in the next episodes we're gonna

1227
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: see how he goes about doing that and how it

1228
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: plays into the greatest, some of the greatest crimes against

1229
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: humanity ever committed. But first, you know, it's not a

1230
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,919
Speaker 1: crime against humanity. Is props, podcast hood politics, yes, and

1231
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: my cold brew Yeah, so also not a crime against me, not.

1232
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 4: A crime against humanity.

1233
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the politics for prop we're cooking, we're making, we're talking,

1234
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 3: we're key key in all the words. It's in your

1235
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 3: same podcast feeds. It's also on YouTube, just like this

1236
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 3: feed terror form call Brew's back. There's links all in

1237
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 3: all the things, and I'm just deeply troubled with yeah, yeah,

1238
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 3: all the things I'm learning right now, things for which

1239
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: you thought you knew, Like you think you know what,

1240
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: you think you understand the Nazis in World War Two,

1241
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: and then you learn something else and you're just like, oh.

1242
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 1: Word, yeah, no, no, no, it's I mean again, it's

1243
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: one of those things when I try to tell people, oh,

1244
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: you're wrong about the Nazis, they interpreted as like, oh,

1245
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: you're trying to explain that they're not as bad or whatever.

1246
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: It's like no, no, no, I just want you to

1247
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,959
Speaker 1: understand what they really were. Right there. There is bad,

1248
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: if not much worse than you think, but they are

1249
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: different than you think they are. You don't full like

1250
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: most people, you don't fully understand like what the Nazis believed,

1251
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't necessarily you don't need to to

1252
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: know that they were evil, right, Yeah, hearing that the

1253
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: Holocaust is enough.

1254
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got the big Yeah, I got the big

1255
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 4: themes here.

1256
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: Learning all of this stuff, it does help you understand

1257
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: stuff like, oh, it's not weird that all these Silicon

1258
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: Valley oligarchs are getting involved in all this weird. It's

1259
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: not weird that these these guys like Elon Musk and

1260
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: all are Are and Peter Teel are obsessed with like

1261
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: birth rates and you know, like the white race being

1262
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: bred to extinction and you know, wanting to like that,

1263
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: like all of these interests that they have. None of

1264
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: this is new. All of this has happened before, and

1265
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: all of it makes complete sense. It's not it's not

1266
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: at all surprising that they're doing the same thing again,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the learning of this to me is like

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Speaker 3: it's the how and the why because that's always the

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Speaker 3: question is like how y'all fall into it?

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Speaker 4: Is like how did y'all let this slide? You know why?

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Speaker 3: Like you know, rather than just the idea of like well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: well they were monsters, it's like.

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Speaker 4: Well no, no, no, no, no no, no, like understand this, you

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Speaker 4: know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and understand that, like this is they're the

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Speaker 1: only thing they're interested in because they don't have anything else.

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Speaker 1: These people are nothing. They're complete failures outside of this

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Speaker 1: ideology they've created to make themselves important, right yeah, the

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Speaker 1: people like Himmler, and then at the top, the people

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Speaker 1: these like all our archs, the guys who have the money,

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Speaker 1: the guys like Schoenerer who are funding guys like Libenfels. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they do have money. They do have power, and they

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Speaker 1: want to keep it and they see it. I want

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Speaker 1: to build. I want to use my money to like

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Speaker 1: build this ideological scaffolding that justifies me all always being

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Speaker 1: in power, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that's it.

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Speaker 3: The preserving of your way of life, not even in

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Speaker 3: the in the Nazi way, I'm saying, in the money way,

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Speaker 3: like I want to be able to need I need

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Speaker 3: the line to keep going up. And this is a

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Speaker 3: way to secure.

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Speaker 1: That yep, yep. Anyway, that's the episode. Everybody have a

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Speaker 1: good week.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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