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Speaker 1: Hey, there are folks in this episode when heartbreak makes headlines,

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Speaker 1: Matt and Rachel have decided to end their relationship. And

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Speaker 1: with that, folks, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Matt James and Rachel Kirconnell, the controversial but couple at

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Speaker 1: the center of season twenty five of The Bachelor, have

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Speaker 1: after four years now ropes decided to call it quits.

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Speaker 1: And we got this word just a short time ago

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Speaker 1: from Matt himself in an Instagram post announcing it. Can

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Speaker 1: I ask you first? You pointed it out to me

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Speaker 1: because you follow and you keep up with stuff on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: What was your reaction when you saw it? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I was heartbroken.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's something that so many people have followed

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Speaker 3: over the past four years. But we know Matt intimately

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Speaker 3: and well, and he has been a huge source of

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Speaker 3: support for us individually and as a couple ever since

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Speaker 3: we went through through our situation a few years ago,

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Speaker 3: and so he is considered a close friend of ours

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Speaker 3: and we're always rooting for him, and if that means

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Speaker 3: him going his separate ways, then obviously we support that.

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Speaker 3: But it's still sad to see a couple that we

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Speaker 3: were rooting for, and that I think America was rooting for.

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Speaker 3: So I've felt sad and his post definitely shows that

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Speaker 3: he's sad too. He's hurting too. Breakups are hard, tough decisions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one. If you hell again, this is

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Speaker 1: a significant period of time that this relationship has been together.

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Speaker 1: This is not a This wasn't a new something that

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Speaker 1: was blossoming again four plus years that season was my goodness,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one is when it aired. But plenty of

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Speaker 1: headlines if folks been following them, they seemed great, seemed happy,

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Speaker 1: at least if you were following them in news, head

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Speaker 1: and social media. But his social media posts, we will

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Speaker 1: let you know how we all found out the news

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Speaker 1: that Matt and Rachel we're ending that relationship. It was

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Speaker 1: from a post early this morning.

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Speaker 3: Yes, on Instagram, and it shows a picture actually of

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Speaker 3: the two of them meeting for the first time on

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Speaker 3: The Bachelor. So this was from twenty twenty and it's

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Speaker 3: a joyful that first moment when you meet the person

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Speaker 3: who you think, at one point you may spend the

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Speaker 3: rest of your life with. And that certainly is the

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Speaker 3: look these two are giving each other in this picture.

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Speaker 3: He chose, and his caption reads this, Father, God, give

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Speaker 3: Rachel and I strength to mend our broken hearts. Give

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Speaker 3: us a piece about this decision to end our relationship

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Speaker 3: that transcends worldly understanding. Shower our friends and family with

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Speaker 3: kindness and love to comfort us and remind us that

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Speaker 3: our joy comes from you, Lord. And then he has

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Speaker 3: a broken heart emoji after that, and he turned the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's done by a guy who's been through it,

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Speaker 1: who's been through a lot publicly. Look, these are human beings.

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Speaker 1: We don't folks we see on TV and a public eye.

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Speaker 1: This is someone Think about any breakup you had in

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Speaker 1: your life and how much that hurt, even if you

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Speaker 1: were the one who initiated the breakup. Breakups are still difficult,

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Speaker 1: and certainly if you have this many years put into it,

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Speaker 1: But then to have to go through the relationship they

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Speaker 1: attest to is difficult. But then what they went through

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Speaker 1: been through some fire together and publicly, and I think

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Speaker 1: that is why, in a lot of ways, I think

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Speaker 1: this will come as a shock. It'll come as a

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Speaker 1: shock to a lot of people. If you've been following

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Speaker 1: on social media, these two are everywhere together, playing, having fun, eating, traveling,

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Speaker 1: and so this that might be the reason that comes

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Speaker 3: Babe the post and look, I know, we know that

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Speaker 3: what you put out on social media is the best

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Speaker 3: version of yourself most of the time, the best of times.

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Speaker 3: You aren't normally posting about or talking about the fight

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Speaker 3: to work through. So we get that all relationships have

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Speaker 3: those different layers that you aren't necessarily showing.

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Speaker 2: But I think for me, the announcement.

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Speaker 3: I was expecting from Matt was an engagement and there's

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Speaker 3: the post he put up ten hours actually twelve hours

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Speaker 3: before the announcement that they broke up, was a picture

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Speaker 3: And all of the posts before that, which were almost daily,

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Speaker 3: enjoying each other, having pet names for one another. So

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Speaker 3: I mean, there were so many things that could go

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Speaker 3: into it, but it is definitely shocking, especially when you

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Speaker 3: look at Rachel's last post. It was Matt's birthday, which

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Speaker 3: a month ago. And if you don't mind, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to read her caption from I guess what would be

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Speaker 3: five weeks ago, six weeks ago, happiest of birthdays to

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Speaker 3: my best friend, my teammate, my souex chef, the man

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Speaker 3: that has my whole heart you feel it and my

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Speaker 3: thankful I get to dance through this life with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for never ending love and support and smooches

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Speaker 3: and snuggles to many more adventures. Happy birthday, my pumpkin.

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Speaker 3: And he teased and wrote a caption saying I'm your pumpkin,

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Speaker 3: and then he called her chicken, so they were using petne.

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Speaker 2: This is just a few weeks ago, so yes, so.

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Speaker 1: Look, will you never and ever ever know what's going

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Speaker 1: they weren't just putting on public click we could confirm

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Speaker 1: that for one hundred percent sure, but not only could

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Speaker 1: out as they say these things they I mean, he

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Speaker 1: he's not shy about saying, yes, marriage is next, and

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Speaker 1: marriage is what we're thinking. We're talking about this, and

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Speaker 1: that the planning was being done for a future together.

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Speaker 1: Things happened behind the scenes, and it doesn't mean it

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Speaker 1: come to this realization and it could have happened late

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Speaker 1: conversation became different. So we're not going to speculate on

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Speaker 3: No, No, And we know Matt well enough to say

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Speaker 3: this with confidence. He is an authentic dude. He is

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Speaker 3: not putting on a show for Instagram followers or to

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Speaker 3: believe that if six weeks ago, they were both speaking

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Speaker 3: you know that they've been through They're in that time

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Speaker 3: So they were constantly going to a lot of Rachel's friends' weddings,

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Speaker 3: and Matt even joked about it. I think he couldn't

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Speaker 3: invited him too, because he was going to get another

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Speaker 1: But I think another time he skipped the wedding so

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Speaker 3: I think he did a podcast with us and he

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Speaker 3: He said, I wouldn't dare go look at a ring

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Speaker 3: without consulting Rachel first. But he's clearly said when they

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Speaker 3: asked about him getting married or them getting married, he said,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the next step. Again, this is two

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Speaker 3: I have the finger ready. I feel that's definitely something

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Speaker 3: think she made it very clear that she was ready, ready, ready.

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Speaker 3: She said, my problem is I definitely need to go

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Speaker 1: Look, and we talk about this stuff publicly, and this

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Speaker 1: is look walking a fine line here because there's obviously

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Speaker 1: now oh dang god, it's been four or five years

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Speaker 1: was saying privately. Yes, it's been talking plenty with him

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Speaker 1: I am at least right, I'm still rooting for Jalo

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Speaker 1: and Ben. We've seen a number of celebrity or high

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Speaker 1: twenty or twenty twenty one. So Season twenty five with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was filming in twenty twenty during the pandemic

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you throw in the pandemic, and you throw

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Speaker 1: in the fact he's the first black Bachelor. This was huge,

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Speaker 1: Like this was an event. His season was wild, everybody

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Speaker 2: With you, you really he really was and is Yeah, oh.

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Speaker 1: In his background, just everything about this dude. You just love.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course came the controversy in the season

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Speaker 1: the shape show was done taping, he had already picked somebody.

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Speaker 2: Know he had already picked her. He had already picked Rachel.

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Speaker 1: That's the problem. We didn't know that. So then these

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people behind the show freaked out,

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the I think the point because he

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Speaker 3: A lot of times you do it for other people,

438
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: not even for yourselves. But you're thinking, I don't want to.

439
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to upset everyone's Christmas.

440
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I want to give my kids

441
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 2: one last good holiday. You know you do it.

442
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: But so the first of the year obviously a renewal

443
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 3: for so many people. And I say, sadly, we see

444
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: breakups being announced, but they've been in the works, probably for.

445
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: A long time.

446
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 3: That's the truth of the matter. We don't know if

447
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: that is specifically relatable or applicable to Matt and Rachel,

448
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: but certainly I can just speak from personal experience that

449
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 3: that does make a lot of sense. And I say

450
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: sadly because it's not always sad. Sometimes it's long overdue.

451
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's what's needed. You have to have a breakdown

452
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: to have a breakthrough, and it's the only way forward

453
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: if you're not going to be in a relationship that's

454
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: loving and hopeful and joyful and at least you know,

455
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 3: the best thing you can do a lot of times

456
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: is to part ways.

457
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: And so I know what you're saying, Yes, that there

458
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: are relationships that all of us have had have ended

459
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: that we know we're in a better place for it.

460
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: It's still in the moment. Sucks and it's hard and

461
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: it hurts, and and Rachel are going through and I

462
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: to have to. I'm sure some planning went into that statement.

463
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: When to put it out, how to draft it. I'm

464
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: sure they come to some came to some agreement about

465
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: the statement and what it was going to say, and

466
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 1: who was going to put it out. And I think

467
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 1: you said, she has not right. She put something out,

468
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: but she didn't know that was months ago. A month.

469
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: The last anything that Rachel has put on social media

470
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: as far as I can tell, was Instagram on December fifth,

471
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 3: which was Matt's birthday, and it was a loving, glowing

472
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: I read it earlier account of their relationship and her

473
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: excitement for what was yet to come. And so we

474
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 3: have not heard from her at all, and maybe we will.

475
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: Maybe we won't.

476
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 3: I can only speak from the experience that I've had,

477
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: and they're going to need some time, and.

478
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: They're going to be getting a.

479
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: Lot of calls, a lot of texts, and probably unfortunately

480
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: a lot of paparazzi surrounding them once you make an

481
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: announcement like this. They obviously had to prepare to probably

482
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 3: lay very low for a while.

483
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: And I hope so, because that's the last thing you

484
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: need right now. I just hope he's And I mentioned

485
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: what can be done. This is a situation, and I'm

486
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: we've talked about it if you listened on the podcast here.

487
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: But Matt showed up. He was a guy that showed

488
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: up for me when you and I robes first were

489
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: going through our hell of having our relationship exposed before

490
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: we were ready to let everybody know what was going

491
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: on in our personal lives, and it was awful that

492
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: it was some really, really dark days, and Matt was

493
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: one who showed up for me and wouldn't just let

494
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: me ignore his texts. He wouldn't, he wasn't pushy. But

495
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: Matt was one who stayed consistent as a friend through that.

496
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: And he was absolutely the first friend I saw after

497
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: it all went down. They went and met and had

498
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: Mexican had margarite, and I can still remember that lunch

499
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: and where we sat and how it went. But he

500
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: was the first person that I reconnected with and saw

501
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: after it all went down. And so he has, as

502
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, been a guide and a help and somebody

503
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: I leaned on through it all over the past couple

504
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: of years and through that, and now we're all bonded

505
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: in this odd way of public relationship, public scrutiny, and

506
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: we can talk to him, and we've been able to

507
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: over the years in a way I think probably nobody

508
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: else could understand and talk to him in a way

509
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: that we probably don't with anybody else.

510
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting The first time on a personal

511
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: level that I hung out with Matt James, because we

512
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: have interviewed him, we had interviewed him multiple times for

513
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: his bachelor run on Good Morning America. But I was

514
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: actually just thinking the first time I met him on

515
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 3: a personal level was with you, TJ. And it was

516
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 3: one of the very first pictures. He was cropped out.

517
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: And I hate to even mention that publication that took

518
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: our pictures. Yeah, but I won't.

519
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I won't mention.

520
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: But he was with us when they made it seem

521
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: like we were having some romantic meeting a nearby watering

522
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: hole Good Morning America. I actually I forgot you know

523
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: what I it was you and Matt were planning to

524
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: meet there. It's a little little Irish pub next to

525
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: the studios. You and Matt actually had plans to hang out,

526
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: and I believe I crashed your party. I was like, hey,

527
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 3: I have some time to kill can I can I

528
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: show up too? So I think y'all had some time

529
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: by yourselves first, and then I was like.

530
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: Hey, it's me.

531
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: And so the three of us had the best time

532
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: sitting at that corner, right at the bar there, and

533
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: the whole time there had been a photographer there that

534
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: we were completely unaware of that was taking our pictures

535
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: and failed to mention the fact that it was actually

536
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 3: a date with you and Matt.

537
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: You know what that is.

538
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: So remember that I know exactly what you're talking about now.

539
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: But that picture was used against us to show, hey,

540
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: look at these two having their little Rondevus and whatnot.

541
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: That picture was taken after Matt left five minutes earlier

542
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: because he had somewhere to be, and we were about that.

543
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: We were there for about two hours yep. An hour

544
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: and fifty five of it was with Matt James, and

545
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: they only put the pictures up were us leaving, just

546
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: the two of us.

547
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 3: And I forgot about that, and we had a laugh

548
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 3: with Matt about it afterwards when it all came out

549
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: when we were able to laugh, which took quite a while.

550
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: It look they cut you out.

551
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: I mentioned you were there the entire time, but they'll

552
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: make it look like something else, of course.

553
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, but we bonded over all of that.

554
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: You know, being in that sort of that lens of

555
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 3: scrutiny constantly and the truth being completely manipulated, which happened

556
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: to us obviously quite often and to anyone who's in

557
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: the public eye. But he definitely was a part of

558
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: all of that, and we talked about it immensely, and

559
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: I just feel for him because we both know, and

560
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: he knows, and Rachel knows that the next couple of

561
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: days and weeks are probably going to be pretty rough,

562
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: not just personally but publicly.

563
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: That you have to consider that is knowing what they're

564
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: going through with the breakup, just thinking the other part

565
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: that we know they're having to go through is just

566
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. And Rachel is a I told you that

567
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: I've only been around her twice. I think once was

568
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: a wild fun night. It was his book release party.

569
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: Left You left, actually a gathering that I was at

570
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: to go hang out with them. I remember it very

571
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: very long. Yes, I was trying to get you to stay.

572
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: You're like, I got a place to be.

573
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: So it was a book launch party, and I mean

574
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: so that was I had been covering her and that

575
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: story about the bachelor and the breakup and the controversy

576
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: for so long that that was the first time. And

577
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: she is delightful, She's sweet, she's bubbly, she's sincere. I

578
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: found her to be. I owe her at Martini. I've

579
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: been telling her I was gonna make her a Vesper

580
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: for the long time. He's a Martini girl. But it

581
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: was to see them and to see her and to

582
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: see them at peace was really really great.

583
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: And look, this.

584
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Could be the best thing for everybody else. Yeah, they're

585
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: great things ahead. Who knows where their lives might end

586
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: up down the road. Who knows this the very very

587
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: end or just the end for now? We don't know that.

588
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: But it's hard in this moment to think that somebody's

589
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: better off after a relationship. We both know how that

590
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: turns out, and oftentimes, and more often than not, I

591
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: would even argue it ends up being for the best.

592
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: But when you're sitting in our position, all of our position,

593
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: looking at two people who are young, have their lives ahead,

594
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: who are in love to think that it is ending,

595
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: it's hard to see. Okay, this is probably for the

596
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: best right now. It's just sad and it hurts.

597
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always taken solace.

598
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: I've had several people say this to me in recent years,

599
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: but it did give me some comfort that there's no

600
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: there shouldn't be any regrets about any relationship, because relationships

601
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: come either for a reason, a season, or a lifetime,

602
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: and they're all of value because they all teach us something.

603
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: We all learn something from every single relationship we've been in,

604
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: whether they were good, bad, or sad, or all of

605
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: the above, a mix of all of the above. We

606
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: learned something from them and we needed them for whatever

607
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: reason at the phase of life we were in. And

608
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 3: so to not think of something as a waste of

609
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: time or regret, but instead a period of time where

610
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: you needed to learn something and grow from something.

611
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: And perhaps that's what this is.

612
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: It's wild if you were saying, wow, he's just the update,

613
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: or you realize he's thirty three, right, so wow, I

614
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: didn't realize he was that old because he was twenty

615
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: eight when we met. Yeah, right, all of us. He

616
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: was a twenty eight year old on The Bachelor. She

617
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: was a twenty four.

618
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: Years Yeah, they'rey young, young, young, young young young. Look,

619
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: we know we got married at twenty three, but both

620
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: of us, you know, and you know your your wide

621
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: eyed and your your bride eyed and bushy tailed, and look, Matt,

622
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: I never had the opportunity to meet Rachel. It just

623
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: she was always in a different every time we all

624
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: tried to get together, she was always in another state

625
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: or another country. So it was it wasn't for lack

626
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: of trying. She's just a very busy girl, shit with

627
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: the weddings and.

628
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: Her lifestyle brand and just still in Georgia. Yeah she

629
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: was the time.

630
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't here any and Matt was living here

631
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: in New York, so it was very easy to hook

632
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: up and with him and see him and oh my gosh,

633
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: I've run into him on the running path on the

634
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: West Side Highway multiple times, multiple times, Like it's so funny.

635
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a big city.

636
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 3: You could run at any point during the day, and

637
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 3: it just seemed like we kept syncing up with him.

638
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: It was it was I love I love those run ins,

639
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: and I hope for more. But he is just look

640
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: every one has depth and different sides of their personality.

641
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: But if I could sum up Matt James, it is

642
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: just joy personified. He is such a positive energy and

643
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: spirit about him. And I'm sure that people would say

644
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: the same about Rachel. But I just I know he's

645
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: going to be okay, and I know that he wouldn't

646
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: have Neither one of them would have made this decision lightly,

647
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: and he certainly wouldn't have gone to Instagram to announce

648
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: a breakup if it wasn't something that had been long

649
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: considered and thought out. I mean, they both know this

650
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: isn't something that they could just like, oh we're on,

651
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 3: we're off, or on or off. That's not I don't

652
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: believe that's who they are or who he is necessarily.

653
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 3: But I hope that this is a beginning. I mean,

654
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 3: I guess you have to have an end to have

655
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: a beginning, and I hope this soon becomes a beginning

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Speaker 3: a new beginning for them.

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Speaker 1: But folks, if you if you do have the urge

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Speaker 1: to speak, to say something, to type something on social

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00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: media today about Matt and Rachel, about anybody you know,

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Speaker 1: take a chance to maybe give them a virtual hug

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00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: if you can that will peel. Be plenty of people

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00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: out there already talking about I knew anyway, I told

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Speaker 1: you so it wasn't real, and then want to bring

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Speaker 1: up the controversy in a negative way and take some

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Speaker 1: type of shot. Just resist the urge to do so. Today,

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Speaker 1: some folks who are very near and dear to us

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00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: and we consider very very good people that are worth

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: rooting for, are hurting right now, and we will check

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Speaker 1: on them. But if you're able to in your own way,

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00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: support them, support somebody today instead of tearing them down

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00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: when they're having a bad moment, take an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: do so.

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Speaker 2: I love that. What's the first thing we're going to do?

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Speaker 2: You tease that before we went into the break.

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Speaker 1: Well done it already picking up the phone today And

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00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: it's what he did and so many other people did

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Speaker 1: for me, which is just checking on you. We're here.

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00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Don't expect a response back, don't need a response back.

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00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: Just need you to know that we are thinking about

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: you and we are here. And sometimes that's all it takes.

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00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: Because I can test that that message coming my way

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00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: from several people when we were going through a bit

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Speaker 1: of our hell was valuable. So that's the extent of

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Speaker 1: it today. And I don't need to harass or chase

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00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: them down or anything else, but just he needs to

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Speaker 1: know that we're here, and I hope a lot of

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00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: you out there that's all sometimes somebody needs. So we

688
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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking some time and listening and engaging with

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Speaker 1: us on a relationship that has been in the headline

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Speaker 1: for a long long time. And it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a lot of headlines out there in the coming days

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Speaker 1: as well. So my love, Amy Roboc, let me declare

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Speaker 1: here publicly that I love you and we are still

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Speaker 1: going strong, and I still want to marry you. And

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Speaker 1: so the headlines next week about us will come to

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Speaker 1: the shop to people.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: I love you too, and I want to marry you,

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Speaker 3: and I love what you just said. I think that

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Speaker 3: we can take these moments and we can be sad,

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Speaker 3: but we can also have that serve as a reminder

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Speaker 3: to be kind, because, as you always say, Tej, everybody

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00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: is going through something. We're just more aware of it

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Speaker 3: about others sometimes because of the public nature of this world.

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Speaker 3: But just keep that in mind as you go about

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Speaker 3: your day to day. I love that, and this is

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Speaker 3: said in a special moment, to remember that