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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back George Nor along with Jeffrey Selman. Jeffrey, how

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Speaker 2: did the positive spirits fight off the negative ones or

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Speaker 2: do they?

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Speaker 3: It's a job that positive spirits have to do.

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Speaker 4: They're certainly not sitting up there doing nothing.

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Speaker 3: Now. The majority of spirits have lives or after lives

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Speaker 3: that are very normal. I think they're not like living

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Speaker 3: in the physical world. It's actually a lot better, a

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Speaker 3: lot nicer up there. But some spirits jobs are to

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Speaker 3: protect other spirits from attacks by other negative spirits, because

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Speaker 3: negative spirits do attack other spirits, and also negative spirits

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Speaker 3: attack human beings like us, and they try with all

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Speaker 3: their might to get to as many people as they

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Speaker 3: can in order to protect people who can't defend themselves

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Speaker 3: and push away and scare away negative spirits. So they

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Speaker 3: have their own weapons that they design that have an

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Speaker 3: effect upon negative spirits. I also do this myself and

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Speaker 3: my work. I was taught by spirits how to do this,

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Speaker 3: and so they have a lot of different techniques that

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Speaker 3: they use in order to help protect humans. And the

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Speaker 3: problem is is that they cannot be everywhere and so

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Speaker 3: they try to get around and protect as many people

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Speaker 3: as possible. But it's also up to us to protect ourselves,

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Speaker 3: and that's something that might be debatable, especially with organized religion.

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Speaker 3: You know that we feel we don't need to protect

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Speaker 3: ourselves as somebody who's always protecting us. But I think

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Speaker 3: that essentially one way to say this is God gave

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Speaker 3: us the ability to protect ourselves and we need to

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Speaker 3: use that. The problem is is that nobody really teaches that.

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Speaker 4: There's very few people. I do that.

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Speaker 3: There's other people who are successful at that, and I'm

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Speaker 3: all for that, and there are a lot of people

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Speaker 3: who don't know what they're doing. But we have the

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Speaker 3: ability to protect ourselves from most attacks by spirits.

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Speaker 4: We don't need to see them.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to see them most likely, although people

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Speaker 3: do get glimpses. And I said, everybody's psychic, so we

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Speaker 3: sometimes get feelings that something is around us. But we

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Speaker 3: do have the ability if we're simply taught the right

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Speaker 3: techniques to be able to protect ourselves from negative spirits

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Speaker 3: and even demonic spirits. And it's actually rather easy. That's

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Speaker 3: something that's really hard. It's part of a natural system

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Speaker 3: that we simply don't take advantage of because it's because

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Speaker 3: we're simply.

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Speaker 4: Not taught to do that. We're taught that.

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Speaker 3: Somebody else is going to protect us, whether it be

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Speaker 3: a spirit guide or an archangel or god or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and they try, but they can't be everywhere, and so

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Speaker 3: we have to learn how to protect ourselves if we're

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Speaker 3: going to succeed in being free.

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Speaker 2: Do you think, Jeffrey, that in somebody's life span they

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Speaker 2: will encounter demonic forces?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that the chances of encountering a strong

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Speaker 3: negative spirit, like a demonic spirit that may never have

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Speaker 3: been human, they're not like they live. A demonic spirit

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Speaker 3: may never have lived on the planet Earth and simply

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Speaker 3: died and they become a demonic spirit.

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Speaker 4: Does work like that.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, they are the counterpart of angels, and so we

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Speaker 4: In our lives. What happens usually is.

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Speaker 3: We run into them, maybe at some party or a

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Speaker 3: move into a house or a condominium, a business, any place,

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Speaker 3: and then there's already something in there.

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Speaker 4: They also look for.

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Speaker 3: People that are thinking about doing negative things, and they

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Speaker 4: So I think it's very.

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Speaker 3: Common that we do encounter demonic spirits, possibly once in

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Speaker 3: towards us, just about every day. We can pick them

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Speaker 3: to us. They can see our energy fields, they can

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Speaker 3: see where we are weak, they can see the weak

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Speaker 3: spots in our energy fields. We're not really taught how

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Speaker 3: to do things that we don't normally do. And then we.

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Speaker 4: Say, wow, why did I do that?

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Speaker 3: I don't understand why I did something so crazy or

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Speaker 4: That certainly does not account.

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Speaker 3: For all of the violent crime or violence that people

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Speaker 3: larger percentage than people think of negative spirits that are

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Speaker 3: just looking around for people that they can affect and

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Speaker 3: do effect in order to make their lives miserable. And

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Speaker 3: that can happen on a daily basis, that can happen

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Speaker 3: things as simple as restaurants and even concert or bars,

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Speaker 3: There's an awful lot of spirits out there. There's actually

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Speaker 3: it's very common to run into negative spirits.

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Speaker 2: What would you say is the strangest thing that has

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Speaker 2: happened to you, Jeffrey, I've.

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Speaker 4: Had a lot of strange things happen to me.

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Speaker 3: But one thing that I've never discussed with you before

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Speaker 3: is that in two thousand, it was two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 3: fourteen fourteen, I was working at a haunted house for

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Speaker 3: George is an exorcist, does not belong sleeping overnight in

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Speaker 3: a hotel, a very nice hotel that's known to be

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Speaker 3: haunted by everyone who's ever stayed there. And I stayed

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Speaker 3: they had me there was to warn the ghost hunters,

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Speaker 3: and there was about fifty of them there at a time.

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Speaker 4: All of them are not staying.

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Speaker 3: At the hotel sort of a very beautiful bed and breakfast,

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Speaker 3: maybe about twenty rooms in the hotel, and so I was.

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Speaker 4: There for three nights. The first two nights were pretty.

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Speaker 3: Busy, and some of the ghost hunters did not take

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Speaker 3: my advice as the usual if you're there, push me,

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Speaker 3: scratch me, and all the rest of it. And what

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Speaker 3: they don't know is they can be followed home, and

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Speaker 3: order to have an experience that they don't care what

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Speaker 4: But what happened to me was the third night, I

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Speaker 3: Essentially to meet other owners of other mansions in the area,

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Speaker 3: and so I was staying in one of their finest

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Speaker 3: And I went up to get some business cards and

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Speaker 4: Beds would understand this more than me.

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Speaker 3: But they have a very heavy, like thirty pound type

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Speaker 3: The thing was actually raising up and down about three

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Speaker 3: and I said, look, just stop it.

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Speaker 4: You're not scaring me. I don't scary as he used to.

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Speaker 4: Just knock it off. That didn't stop it from happening.

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Speaker 4: But when I went to.

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Speaker 3: Now I was sleeping and I woke up and there

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Speaker 3: was something floating directly above me. George, it was about

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Speaker 3: was singing a very very ugly and scary lullaby.

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Speaker 4: And I saw her very clearly.

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Speaker 3: Now I react very quickly to these things. I know

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Speaker 3: me that was clearly an attack meant to disrupt my

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Speaker 3: And so I got up, and I was so shooken up,

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Speaker 4: And I really didn't go any place.

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Speaker 3: I don't drive well at night, and so I decided

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Speaker 3: I felt just awful, and it was really very frightening,

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Speaker 3: better than being an exorcist and then going into a

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Speaker 3: job is to get rid of problems and clear the house.

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Speaker 3: But the owners of this bed and breakfast, and it's

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Speaker 3: a very famous one. I just won't mention their name.

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Speaker 3: But the idea is that they wanted me not to

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Speaker 3: The place was always booked and it still is. So

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Speaker 3: I was not allowed to clear it, and so I

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Speaker 3: And I was actually in bed for three straight days.

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Speaker 4: I felt very, very sick, body.

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Speaker 3: Mind, in spirit, George, and I'll never do that again.

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Speaker 3: And certainly that was one of the most frightening things

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Speaker 3: strange things happen to me. But as far as I

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Speaker 3: know it. I turned down these kind of things for

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Speaker 3: years and years, and I finally said, yes, I'll do it,

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Speaker 3: and that was a big mistake.

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Speaker 2: Does prayer help, Jeffrey, What does prayer help?

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Speaker 1: It? Does?

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Speaker 4: Prayer always helps.

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Speaker 3: When you pray, you are making an attempt to contact

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Speaker 3: a higher power, possibly God, possibly an archangel, or a

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Speaker 3: higher spirit guide. I think it's a very smart thing

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Speaker 3: to do. It does work, but it may not fully

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons is is that these higher spirits

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Speaker 3: and including God want us to learn how to protect ourselves,

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Speaker 3: just like they want us to walk to the store

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Speaker 2: So what would you say, though, is the best way

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Speaker 3: Learn how to protect ourselves and also do some self clearing,

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Speaker 3: which is something I teach. It's a majority of my

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Speaker 4: It's not hard to learn.

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Speaker 3: It's just a technique that we normally don't use as

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Speaker 3: a number of techniques that I teach.

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Speaker 4: And so there's.

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Speaker 3: An energy that permeates all through the universe, and we

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Speaker 3: Learn how to clear ourselves, dust ourselves off inside and

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Speaker 3: out to protect ourselves from negative energy. So they are

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Speaker 3: techniques that have to be taught. There's energies out there

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Speaker 3: that need to be shaped.

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Speaker 2: Can these negative energies be put away forever or do

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Speaker 2: they come back?

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Speaker 4: We can get them out of our life forever.

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Speaker 3: Usually when we protect ourselves, we can actually weaken negative

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Speaker 3: spirits and they may not come back if we know

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Speaker 3: chance of us weakening their.

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Speaker 4: Power, which is exactly what I teach.

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Speaker 3: But they might come back, and they also other spirits

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Speaker 3: certain techniques that need to be learned.

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Speaker 2: That would include what.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I believe that there's an energy that permeates

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Speaker 3: it runs through us, each one of us, and it's

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Speaker 3: natural and it is an energy that it probably comes

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Speaker 3: all we have to do, is George, is learn how

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Speaker 4: We have to learn how to shape the energy into.

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Speaker 3: Force fields that will make it so that negative spirits

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Speaker 4: And so that's one thing we have to learn how

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of different things that we can

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Speaker 3: use to shape the energy into what we wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: Through visualization, and one of the things that I teach

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Speaker 3: people how to do is to do some self clearing.

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Speaker 3: Besides clearing people myself, I teach people to learn how

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Speaker 3: or two a day and it works. But it's just

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Speaker 3: not something that is taught, and too often our major

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Speaker 3: religions just say, hey, you know, it's kind of like

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Speaker 3: an insurance plan. Just believe in us and that's all

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Speaker 3: you need, and it doesn't work out that way.

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