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Speaker 1: You didn't know by now My name is Chad and
Speaker 1: every single week I'm joined here in the Eyes up
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Speaker 1: Grant scene. We are getting at it on a beautiful
Speaker 1: Friday morning. I don't know, what would you call this
Speaker 1: the dog days of summer?
Speaker 2: So it don't get caught and hazy and it's just
Speaker 2: way over already.
Speaker 3: What the hell happened? It sucked. I'm sad about that.
Speaker 3: We were in the pool yesterday.
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know that the summer is
Speaker 2: hamp over, Like.
Speaker 3: Where did it go? Where did the time go?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: In Virginia, you know, we're starting to get ready for
Speaker 1: school school stuff. In uh In Michael's they had the
Speaker 1: fall decorations starting.
Speaker 3: After ruin summer.
Speaker 2: Every year, the back to school commercials are on right
Speaker 2: after July fourth, and it's like, let the kids had
Speaker 2: directra month or however, I mean where I live, they
Speaker 2: don't go back to school till after Labor Day, so
Speaker 2: we have a lot of time. I mean technically we have,
Speaker 2: you know, more time than you do.
Speaker 3: And I hope school. So we've been doing stuff through
Speaker 3: the summer.
Speaker 1: Still been going well, yeah, but not as.
Speaker 3: Hard as like you know, we're homeschooling.
Speaker 2: We could be done in like two hours and ad
Speaker 2: on the CCD that we're doing. But technically, I mean,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't go back to school until after Labor Day.
Speaker 2: These commercials are a bummer, and I think it gives
Speaker 2: the kids out of anxiety, like let them be.
Speaker 3: Kids didn't enjoy their time off.
Speaker 1: My grandmother used to love the Staples most wonderful time
Speaker 1: of the year where the dad we have the shopping
Speaker 1: cart going up and down the aisle with the kids
Speaker 1: standing there with their armshold their heads down.
Speaker 3: Dad's all excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, my grandmother. Not my grandmother just passed away
Speaker 1: two weeks ago or three weeks ago, but my one
Speaker 1: passed away like twelve years ago. She loved that commercial.
Speaker 1: That was one of her favorites.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think it's too soon, you know.
Speaker 2: I know they want to sell their product and make
Speaker 2: their money, but gosh, just let them enjoy themselves. I
Speaker 2: get anxiety and I'm the mother. You know, I couldn't
Speaker 2: imagine like having to go to school these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I were ramping up the fall season of softball.
Speaker 1: We just ended the tournament season. You know, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then the same thing. You know, I'm very heavily
Speaker 1: involved with the school and the PTO, and we just
Speaker 1: had our first meeting with principal the other day. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is here. But you know, hey, summer Slam
Speaker 1: hasn't even happened. You know, heat wave wouldn't have happened yet.
Speaker 1: So what are we talking about. Yeah, I know with
Speaker 1: the summer and the summer shows, it was always hot.
Speaker 1: But it's always hot no matter what in July and August.
Speaker 1: That's what I always say to the girls when they complained.
Speaker 1: But you wrestled outside, Okay, you worked in the actual
Speaker 1: sun and in the heat. Did you enjoy doing that
Speaker 1: when when you guys were booked outside. No, didn't like
Speaker 1: outdoor shows.
Speaker 2: Okay, bar A was the worst bar when we would
Speaker 2: do the outdoor summer shows. Number one, one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty seven degrees. Number two bugs everywhere you're swatting flies
Speaker 2: like it was just everybody was sweaty, snelly on top
Speaker 2: of just the sunbeaming down on you. And it's bad
Speaker 2: when you had the lights, you know, you're hot, and
Speaker 2: the arenas sometimes because of all the light, when you're
Speaker 2: in the scolding sun in the middle.
Speaker 3: Hungreen, it's terrible.
Speaker 4: Aut No, oh, hold on, I'm getting a low wifie.
Speaker 1: I got your froze up there for a second. Was
Speaker 1: there heat coming off the mat too? Was that where
Speaker 1: like when the sun beats down on the mat, was
Speaker 1: there a lot of heat that came off of there too?
Speaker 1: That made it like even more hot? Because they always
Speaker 1: said in baseball with stroke turf right when you played
Speaker 1: on the turf, it added you know, like fifteen degrees
Speaker 1: and made it three times hotter. So did the mat
Speaker 1: make the area surrounding the ring even hotter?
Speaker 3: I would say yes, I think the mat was warm
Speaker 3: to the touch. You know.
Speaker 2: When you would be on these outdoor shows, I just
Speaker 2: didn't enjoy them, you know. I mean, obviously I enjoyed working,
Speaker 2: but being that hot. I mean the only consolation for
Speaker 2: me is I didn't wear many.
Speaker 3: Clothes much clothing, so it wasn't like I.
Speaker 2: Was out there in a parka trying to run around.
Speaker 2: But it was just scolding hot heat. If I'm not
Speaker 2: in a pool or on a beach, I don't want it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be a part of that. So no,
Speaker 2: I did not enjoy outdoor shows. Give me air conditioning,
Speaker 2: you know, give me a good clean environment to work in,
Speaker 2: and I'm a happy camper.
Speaker 1: So you don't mind a certain kind of sweat on
Speaker 1: your your body? Then when you're outdoors in that environment.
Speaker 3: No, I do mind sweat. I just don't.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, But I mean, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: don't you don't have that much clothes on. So I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a certain you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: certain kind of sweat.
Speaker 3: Now explain yourself. What are you talking about? Get it?
Speaker 1: Move on, move on?
Speaker 3: What sweat are sweat? Boop, sweat, boob cooch, whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call it. Yeah, it's it's real, people. Boop
Speaker 3: sweat is real, especially when you have big, big boobs.
Speaker 2: Forget about it. Your cleavage is drenched, the undercarriage is drenched.
Speaker 3: It's disgusting, it's gross.
Speaker 1: Sorry, maybe maybe went to the t M I cat terry.
Speaker 3: Well you asked for it, Okay.
Speaker 1: So speaking of hot, speaking of the summertime, I gotta
Speaker 1: ask you this because this was trending on Twitter, uh
Speaker 1: earlier today before we got rolling here. Well, actually it
Speaker 1: was a person was trending on Twitter. Is Buddy Matthews
Speaker 1: was trending on Twitter? And I clicked on it to
Speaker 1: see why, and I think it was because there was
Speaker 1: a rap on aw having to do with him. But
Speaker 1: as I was scrolling through, I saw other reasons why
Speaker 1: maybe he was, but I can't really put my finger
Speaker 1: on it. But this is something that stood out to
Speaker 1: me that I have to ask you about because this
Speaker 1: kind of relates back to parts of your career. Okay,
Speaker 1: Buddy Matthews is in a relationship with Rear Ripley. Okay,
Speaker 1: Rea Ripley is on screen link to Dominic Masterio, who,
Speaker 1: as we've talked about before, is absolutely killing it in
Speaker 1: the heel department and it's probably at the top of
Speaker 1: the heel landscape in all of the pro wrestling sports
Speaker 1: entertainment industry at the moment. Is that safe to say?
Speaker 3: I would think so. Everything I see on him is positive, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, So that is obviously playing into the fact
Speaker 1: that fans are kind of saying, well, seeing the on
Speaker 1: screen chemistry between Rhea and dom who she calls dom
Speaker 1: Dom affectionately. You know, a lot of touching, a lot
Speaker 1: of closeness, a lot of you know, grab main whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. Buddy Matthews, Oh, he must not be okay
Speaker 1: with this, or if he is okay with this, it
Speaker 1: must really be eating him alive inside, because here's his
Speaker 1: woman on screen doing this. But I just go back
Speaker 1: to some of the things that you heard throughout your
Speaker 1: career about being linked to Shine and your on screen
Speaker 1: relationship with him, which was that an on screen relationship
Speaker 1: the fans kind of taking it a little too far?
Speaker 1: Is this just is this something that goes along with
Speaker 1: the territory because obviously Buddy Matthews is sitting next to
Speaker 1: Rhea Ripley and Dominic at the Hall of Fame. That's April,
Speaker 1: So I mean there, obviously he's he knows that goes
Speaker 1: along with the territory of this relationship.
Speaker 3: Buddy's in the business. Rie is in the business. Thomb's
Speaker 3: in the business.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: We are actors. This is a form of acting. We
Speaker 3: are role playing. We are characters.
Speaker 2: Sometimes storylines are romantic and involved touching and kissing and
Speaker 2: you know, over the top and the windows and your partner,
Speaker 2: especially if he's in the wrestling business, needs to understand
Speaker 2: that it's all a work. I'm sure buddy gets it, now,
Speaker 2: Could he feel uncomfortable?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: No one wants to see their significant other rubbing one
Speaker 2: somebody else, or kissing somebody or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's why I always used to say to Shane, your
Speaker 3: wife must hate me.
Speaker 2: You know, even though we never actually like made out,
Speaker 2: We never there was never one tongue kiss between us.
Speaker 2: It was always like that peck or moles were always closed.
Speaker 2: But the chemistry was there, and it just it looked
Speaker 2: like it was more than it was. And you know,
Speaker 2: people thought it was more than it wasn't It wasn't.
Speaker 2: And I'll say that until my dying day. I said
Speaker 2: it a million times. Put me on a live detector.
Speaker 2: I would swear on a bunch of bibles like it
Speaker 2: never happened. There was nothing there between us but a good, good,
Speaker 2: solid friendship still to this day one of my best
Speaker 2: friends ever.
Speaker 3: You know, seeing your.
Speaker 2: Girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband or whatever, it can be difficult,
Speaker 2: it can be uncomfortable, but especially when you are part
Speaker 2: of the wrestling business, you know what to expect. These
Speaker 2: things happen and Rita and Dominic are getting over so
Speaker 2: much like you know in the heel department, and the
Speaker 2: fans will come at you and believe that there's something
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 3: There's gonna be those fans, just like the wrestling sheets
Speaker 3: that report angles as stories that we talked about, which
Speaker 3: infuriates me, Like I still don't get that.
Speaker 2: You know, these wrestling fans who are some of them
Speaker 2: are naive. They will believe whatever they watch on TV
Speaker 2: as real as gospel, as truth. They take offence, they
Speaker 2: will fight, They will call names at each other, you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't support their character, if you don't support
Speaker 2: who they like, blah blah blah, if you say something
Speaker 2: negative about somebody. It's just the way the businesses. You
Speaker 2: have to do things to go along with the story.
Speaker 2: And I think Buddy gets it, you know, he gets it.
Speaker 2: He's probably friendly with Dominic. He probably you know, they're
Speaker 2: sitting like you said, they're sitting at the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame together.
Speaker 3: He knows what's up.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a time maybe when he's gotta do
Speaker 2: the same thing, you know in aew with one of
Speaker 2: the ladies.
Speaker 3: And she's gonna have to suck it up. Because it's
Speaker 3: the business.
Speaker 2: That's it's storyline development, it's character development.
Speaker 3: That's what happens. It's inevitable.
Speaker 2: It happens almost to everybody. You know, people are linked
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a movie. We call it live theater.
Speaker 3: That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's not real, yeah, work.
Speaker 2: So you know, if he has a problem with it,
Speaker 2: then he shouldn't. I don't think he should be in
Speaker 2: the business. And it doesn't look like he does have
Speaker 2: a problem with it.
Speaker 3: You know, you have to suck it up.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought so, you know, I wouldn't thought
Speaker 1: so at all. I mean because in AW he has
Speaker 1: Julia Hart, who's a part of that House of Black.
Speaker 3: But is it a romantic character with her.
Speaker 1: It's not. I don't believe. So again I'm too keen
Speaker 1: on the AW storyline. But she's a part of that
Speaker 1: House of Black. And from what I understand on the outside,
Speaker 1: you know, in the business, Buddy Murphy is like super
Speaker 1: tied to her in terms of business tidings, and you
Speaker 1: know what he what she's doing outside the business, so
Speaker 1: he's working closely with her. So who know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't ever know what happens outside there, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Here's an example for you. Matt Hardona has Steph the Lander.
Speaker 3: Is that how you pronounce her?
Speaker 2: Me? Married to Chelsea Green? Chelsea works in WWE, right,
Speaker 2: Matt's on the road with Steph constantly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you.
Speaker 3: Don't have trust there, what do you have? You know?
Speaker 2: Now, I don't I don't know if their characters or
Speaker 2: I don't think their characters are romantically linked. They're just
Speaker 2: like the King and Queen of the death match scene
Speaker 2: or whatever they call themselves. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: they're calling them. But like I just was scrolling through
Speaker 2: Twitter this morning and they just both of them are
Speaker 2: in Japan together.
Speaker 3: Now. You know, if I.
Speaker 2: Am married to Matt or somebody in the business like
Speaker 2: that and my husband's traveling all these different places, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would be a little one edge and be a
Speaker 2: little jealous. But looking at it as you know, a
Speaker 2: business perspective, this is their gimmick, this is their character.
Speaker 2: You love somebody, you have to trust somebody. If you
Speaker 2: don't have trust in your relationship, then you shouldn't be
Speaker 2: in a relationship with that person. Bottom line. I know,
Speaker 2: stuff happens, especially in wrestling. You know, the boys are
Speaker 2: known to room. I'm not saying that, mad Is. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that, buddy. I'm not saying anybody. Please don't
Speaker 2: quote me and saying people are cheating. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: especially when you work for two different FEDS, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be linked up with somebody eventually. You know, down the line,
Speaker 2: you have to have a thick skin, and you have
Speaker 2: to have trust in your partner, right and that, you know,
Speaker 2: that goes a long way. And if the trust isn't there,
Speaker 2: it's gonna eat you up and you're gonna go crazy.
Speaker 2: So you know, if their spouses and significant others are
Speaker 2: okay with it, then the world has to be okay
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: And all this little you know talking here and there
Speaker 3: needs to stop. Oh there she is.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me play this for you because this is
Speaker 1: one of the things people are talking about from Okay,
Speaker 1: So it's fightful, fightful wrestling. Share this. This is our buddy,
Speaker 1: Sean Ross SAPs wrestling. It says Rhea has no chill.
Speaker 1: The question is what's her favorite thing to do with
Speaker 1: Dominick mysterio?
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, Sorry.
Speaker 1: Sure, this play is what's her favorite thing to do
Speaker 1: together with dominate n stadio. I think you already know that.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's okay. Obviously in character. Obviously, come on, she's
Speaker 2: in character. That was probably not probably that was a
Speaker 2: WWE interview had to be okayed by the office.
Speaker 3: You're in character, right, Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, great answer, Absolutely great answer.
Speaker 2: You want us to believe there's something going on where
Speaker 2: there you go? And I'm sure that buddy saw that
Speaker 2: and he laughed his ass off.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to how about this one? This
Speaker 1: is the aw.
Speaker 3: Rap?
Speaker 1: Uh you know who is it? The acclaim? Let do
Speaker 1: the raps? Here we go. This is what they had
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 4: If funny anslminous when it cuts by kid.
Speaker 3: Named well bye?
Speaker 2: Ever, but do really think that they should be shouting
Speaker 2: out like the other SAIDs.
Speaker 1: Well, no, that's the thing about what these guys do.
Speaker 1: They constantly shout out the company. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: you never the old adage that you never point up,
Speaker 1: you know, or you never point you never know, you're
Speaker 1: never supposed to point down, You're supposed to point up. Well,
Speaker 1: I would never acknowledge the company ever. But so that's
Speaker 1: what's fueling the flames of the fans but in this instance,
Speaker 1: the super marks that are going nuts, that are saying like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: she's obviously you know, doing something with him on the side.
Speaker 3: And why why is it obvious?
Speaker 1: Well, because they are so good at what they do,
Speaker 1: and they're fooling you into believing that in the exact
Speaker 1: same manner that you guys were, because you guys were
Speaker 1: just absolutely engrossed in your character and your personas that
Speaker 1: you have everyone believing, even potentially the locker room, that
Speaker 1: you guys were an item. And that means A, you're
Speaker 1: good at what you do and b you guys are money.
Speaker 1: And that's where you know, there has to be a
Speaker 1: separation somewhere between fantasy and reality. And you know, how
Speaker 1: does it end up now because there's maybe a complaint
Speaker 1: from the significant other or you know that maybe they
Speaker 1: they don't want to see it go that way and
Speaker 1: they're preventing a long term breakup or something like that.
Speaker 2: They're not going to do a thing. This is a
Speaker 2: hot act that is drawing money.
Speaker 3: And drawing ratings. They're not touching it. There's no way,
Speaker 3: no way they had.
Speaker 2: Buddy's got to if he has a problem with it,
Speaker 2: he's just has to accept it.
Speaker 3: He needs to just accept it, and I'm sure he is.
Speaker 2: I'm sure this is more the fans feeling the fire
Speaker 2: than him complaining about certain things.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to go back Matt Hardy
Speaker 2: and Lea they were in a relationship and they had
Speaker 2: her an edge in a bed in the center of
Speaker 2: the ring under the covers.
Speaker 3: Literally tongue kissing the whole time.
Speaker 2: While now that to me had to be hard to watch,
Speaker 2: but then again, how could you say anything because now
Speaker 2: you're looking at it and you're thinking it's an angle,
Speaker 2: but it really it was real then that kind of situation,
Speaker 2: like you know, they say when people act, and sometimes
Speaker 2: like Brad Pitt and Angelina Julie, they did. Mister and
Speaker 2: missus Smith fell in love on set married man. I
Speaker 2: don't know if she was married at the time, I
Speaker 2: can't remember, but they fell in love and here they
Speaker 2: leave their significant others.
Speaker 3: The Okay, it happens.
Speaker 1: Don't get me.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it can't happen, but you have to
Speaker 2: just Again, it goes back to like trusting your partner,
Speaker 2: and if your relationship is strong and your love is real,
Speaker 2: then you'll.
Speaker 3: Whether the storm, and the angle.
Speaker 2: Will move on and everybody will be okay, you know,
Speaker 2: but not it doesn't happen every time like some people
Speaker 2: keep it one hundred percent professional. I and Shane and
Speaker 2: I were one hundred percent professional. Whether anybody believes it
Speaker 2: or not, I'm sure. I mean, I don't know them,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe Riha and Dominic are just one
Speaker 2: hundred percent professional.
Speaker 3: You know, we don't know.
Speaker 2: You don't know what happens behind closed doors. It's none
Speaker 2: of our business.
Speaker 3: But you can't judge them because of what you see
Speaker 3: on a TV show. That's my That's what I'm trying
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 2: You they're working, They're working everybody.
Speaker 1: Do you think this picture by a fan the flame
Speaker 1: a little bit somebody put into angry Buddy Matthews next
Speaker 1: to a picture of dumb appoint that rear end re
Speaker 1: end there.
Speaker 3: It's not fun. It can't.
Speaker 2: It's not fun for you to watch your spouse be
Speaker 2: with another person. I'm not denying that, but it's it's
Speaker 2: an angle, you know. Now down the line, if they
Speaker 2: come out and they say, oh my god, guess what
Speaker 2: really leaves Buddy Murphy p Dominic scar, that will know,
Speaker 2: holy crap, you know something developed and things can develop
Speaker 2: you you don't know, you don't know, But if you're
Speaker 2: a fan, just enjoy the product and keep your two
Speaker 2: cents to yourself. Think what you want, but doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it's trick.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Edge Leada Matt Hardy may be the most.
Speaker 1: I would say, uh just I would say, like the
Speaker 1: heat drin in on screen, off screen, everybody knew what
Speaker 1: was going on fan or you're in the business, everybody
Speaker 1: knew everything story ever unfolded in professional wrestling history, Like
Speaker 1: there could be a book written about what happened with
Speaker 1: all that and their shoot interview stories that are in
Speaker 1: compilation form on YouTube. You can go watch it. Matt
Speaker 1: Hardy tells the whole story, lead it, I think shares
Speaker 1: parts of it they've they've all talked about it. Edge,
Speaker 1: I think shares it in a book or something that
Speaker 1: they've all talked about it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: But with you and Shane again, what made you guys
Speaker 1: just so good is that you guys were the top
Speaker 1: heel act at the time, and it just made you
Speaker 1: guys seem like, well they got to be in on
Speaker 1: an item to be this good, Like nobody can be
Speaker 1: this good of an act unless they're living it twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven outside the ring. But you were just
Speaker 1: a simple act and that is what I think made
Speaker 1: you guys so awesome together. So it's just but you
Speaker 1: guys felt the heat, right, You guys always had like
Speaker 1: you had the eyes on you twenty four to seven.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 2: And could you imagine if we had social media back then,
Speaker 2: like how more intense everything would have been. Like I
Speaker 2: always say, if we had social media, I think the
Speaker 2: company would have survived. I think we would have had,
Speaker 2: you know, more coverage of free publicity kind of deal.
Speaker 2: But even for our characters, and you know, just being
Speaker 2: in that company on social media, like the promotion self
Speaker 2: promotion that we could have did for ourselves and it
Speaker 2: could have blew up to be an even bigger entity
Speaker 2: than it was. And just for Shane and I, like
Speaker 2: we we worked together, we trained together, we ate together,
Speaker 2: we traveled together. It was that kind of partnership. And
Speaker 2: we always had Damien with us, so it wasn't it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it was just me and him. Damien was
Speaker 2: the driver for us and he was always with us,
Speaker 2: and we just tried to do the best job possible
Speaker 2: that we could to make people believe that there was
Speaker 2: something there. You know, we didn't like. It wasn't over exaggerated,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. We never would go to
Speaker 2: a club and make it out against the wall or
Speaker 2: hold hands or do there was nothing like that. It
Speaker 2: was just I think everything that you saw that people
Speaker 2: believed was on.
Speaker 3: Air, right. It wasn't outside. We didn't like, we.
Speaker 2: Weren't all over each other outside when we would, you know,
Speaker 2: go to dinner or go places, it was always a
Speaker 2: group of us. It was never just the two of us. Intimately,
Speaker 2: there was always a bunch of people. It was always
Speaker 2: damy there. So we weren't like just together to you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, it wasn't over exaggerated. It
Speaker 2: was organic and it was just it just came across
Speaker 2: well on film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know what else to say. Maybe
Speaker 3: if there was social.
Speaker 2: Media, we would have played it up a little more
Speaker 2: and did the angle online and stuff, but we didn't
Speaker 2: have that stuff back then, so we and without that stuff,
Speaker 2: look how people believed it. We didn't even have all
Speaker 2: this extra bs to add to the gimmick. It was
Speaker 2: just what you saw on screen, and there was just
Speaker 2: a spark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what made it special.
Speaker 1: And people still think you're married to this day.
Speaker 3: To this day.
Speaker 2: How's your husband? Like, Oh, he's pretty good always he
Speaker 2: still russell. What you know, Shane Douglas, I'm like.
Speaker 1: What, let me show you one more thing. So you
Speaker 1: and Shane evolved your entering into you know, the pack
Speaker 1: and then Shane does the heart attack and hits the mat. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's another thing that let's call this exhibit C that
Speaker 1: people are pointing right, yeah, okay, So here's here's a
Speaker 1: ring entrance at a house show.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I guess.
Speaker 1: You'd call this the tame twenty twenty three ring entrance. Right,
Speaker 1: there's dumb, it's it's the rings. He got his arms up.
Speaker 1: There's a little Eddie guerrero. Okay, a head butt then
Speaker 1: little head, little little head thing. Okay, they're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: that's cute, like ah, all, so people are really grasping
Speaker 1: at straws. But again, in social media and twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: sometimes that's all takes tot unto people's skins. So I
Speaker 1: hope they don't crumble a relationship for the sake of.
Speaker 3: Now come on, now, I think it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: They're fire, They're killing it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so all right, before we head to the finish line,
Speaker 1: a quick update to a story that we covered back
Speaker 1: in WrestleMania Season and the only reason we're going to
Speaker 1: cover it is because we did two parts on it
Speaker 1: then and we got to get I would hope to
Speaker 1: be the finale now because if it's the finale, the
Speaker 1: finale went out in an epic conclusion, so you know
Speaker 1: more about it. To me, I saw the first tweet
Speaker 1: about it. It's the Giselle shaw, Rick Steiner, wrestle Khan.
Speaker 1: Just get debacle and controversy and whatever you want to
Speaker 1: call it, public statements, public apologies, whatever went on. I
Speaker 1: had heard some stuff that was done outside of what
Speaker 1: was talked about in public. I don't even know if
Speaker 1: that had ever been revealed in public, but I shared
Speaker 1: with you what I had heard. But it exploded this
Speaker 1: week in a way that I actually missed. So I'm
Speaker 1: eager to hear from you what you saw, So you
Speaker 1: tell what's been going on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I you know, I follow Russell Khan on
Speaker 2: Twitter because I've attended several Russel Kans and I'm friendly
Speaker 2: with Michael hell of a nice guy. And I noticed
Speaker 2: the first tweet and I'm looking now it doesn't I
Speaker 2: think they took it down.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's up anymore. I'm trying to find
Speaker 3: it and I don't think it's up.
Speaker 2: So they put up a tweet that said somebody, I
Speaker 2: don't know who the people are, but somebody was bringing
Speaker 2: the Signer brothers.
Speaker 1: Was uh, the the absolute shits Tony Hunter Productions. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'll just editorial post.
Speaker 2: I don't know who Tony Hunter is, but okay, so
Speaker 2: he was bringing up historial Okay, that's the opinions.
Speaker 3: Here are the Chadsters and not the queen.
Speaker 2: So they had to picture of the Steiner brothers and
Speaker 2: they were they were coming to Russel Kon now three
Speaker 2: months ago. Uh, at the last Russel Kan in California.
Speaker 2: We were notified, we meaning the fans, because I wasn't there.
Speaker 3: I'm a fan looking in on this one.
Speaker 2: That Rick Steiner and Giselle had that altercation, Rick was
Speaker 2: removed from Russel Khan and he was ban from all
Speaker 2: Russell Kan events going forward. That was what was said
Speaker 2: at that time. Now the ban has been lifted and
Speaker 2: Rick and Scott are now signing at Russell Khan. So
Speaker 2: I see this tweet, so I'm like, interesting, right, Well,
Speaker 2: there were over six hundred responses to that tweet, most
Speaker 2: of them negative, wrecking Michael. There were some positive because
Speaker 2: you know there, you know, some people believe in freedom
Speaker 2: of speech. You can say whatever you want. You know,
Speaker 2: they're fans of Rick, they were excited to meet him.
Speaker 2: Most of the people in this thread were pissed off.
Speaker 2: They didn't feel safe coming to Wrestlican. They are banning
Speaker 2: Russel Kan events going forward. You know, Michael is a coward.
Speaker 2: Michael is caving blah blah blah, all you know, back
Speaker 2: and forth with these comments.
Speaker 3: So I'm reading and I was just like, wow, crazy.
Speaker 2: Right, so much backlash that he goes and does the
Speaker 2: next tweet. I don't know if it took one or
Speaker 2: two days, but he makes this big, you know, statement
Speaker 2: and he pulls Rick.
Speaker 3: Now Rick is no longer welcome at Russel Kan again.
Speaker 2: Negative comments on this one from the other side saying
Speaker 2: that Rick has caved, Rick has gone excuse me, Michael's cave.
Speaker 3: Michael's gone woke. You know, he's leaning towards the six.
Speaker 2: Percent that don't uh, you know, want Rick Steiner to
Speaker 2: be there, and it's like, to me, you can't win
Speaker 2: on either side.
Speaker 3: He got almost I think he got almost six hundred
Speaker 3: responses on that tweet too.
Speaker 2: It it was crazy the people came out in Drews
Speaker 2: you either support it Rick or you hate.
Speaker 3: Rick one or the other.
Speaker 2: But it was kind of with the two tweets, it
Speaker 2: kind of balanced out. People were outraged that he was coming,
Speaker 2: and then people were outraged that he was removed again,
Speaker 2: So you know, how do you win at this stage?
Speaker 2: The best thing that could have happened is that he
Speaker 2: was never booked in the first place, and everything would have.
Speaker 3: Been, you know, the way to go.
Speaker 2: But now people that are in support of Giselle say
Speaker 2: they're banning the event, and now people that are in
Speaker 2: support of Rick Steiner are banning the event. So it's
Speaker 2: interesting and plus people are saying this came too late,
Speaker 2: this should have never happened.
Speaker 3: I'm still banning Russell Klan.
Speaker 1: Maybe I could she had a little context with my
Speaker 1: editorial comments. Now, the guy who would be bringing him in,
Speaker 1: Tony Hunter, does supply a lot of talent to Wressel
Speaker 1: Khan at both Now, this Summer Slam event and the
Speaker 1: WrestleMania event. There could have been a leverage play saying
Speaker 1: I'm not bringing X, Y and Z talent to this
Speaker 1: event unless you bring all my players to the event.
Speaker 1: That could have been one of the plays that was made,
Speaker 1: thus pushing the envelope of well, they both got to
Speaker 1: be there. If you want, you want Scott, you need Rick.
Speaker 1: That could have been what happened. I'm just that's me speculating,
Speaker 1: knowing that side of the business and knowing this the
Speaker 1: the absolute human garbage that the guy who's booking them
Speaker 1: is uh you know, uh, you know, working with Michael
Speaker 1: and Russell Khan. So that's again on my take having
Speaker 1: dealt with him and having had some very very poor, poor,
Speaker 1: poor experiences with him. So, but that's the deal you
Speaker 1: have because i mean he books Lex Luger, he books
Speaker 1: Ron Simmons, he books Gosh, he's got h Ricky Steamboat.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got so many guys under his umbrella
Speaker 1: that he could say, hey, I'm not bringing that whole
Speaker 1: crew unless you take both Rick and.
Speaker 3: Scott understood, I get it, and you know.
Speaker 1: Where that goes that it could be a whole If
Speaker 1: you you want one, you get them.
Speaker 3: All, yeah, uh it, that's all. You know it. It's tricky.
Speaker 2: Because he did say banned from all future wrestle cons
Speaker 2: and then it's like, okay, three months later he's back.
Speaker 2: He said something to about Rick apologizing to like the staff,
Speaker 2: and he offered an apology to Giselle as well, but
Speaker 2: she didn't want to accept it.
Speaker 1: Right, I've heard that anywhere.
Speaker 3: It's in the tweet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying I hadn't heard that anywhere.
Speaker 3: It was supposedly behind closed doors. I look, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like Michael.
Speaker 2: He's always been a stand up guy to me. I
Speaker 2: have nothing bad to say about him. I enjoy Russell Khan.
Speaker 2: This is a touchy situation.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: It's really going to be interesting to see how many
Speaker 2: people attend, because I know the Internet only makes up
Speaker 2: a small percent of the population that attend these shows.
Speaker 3: But for all the tweets that are.
Speaker 2: Saying I'm banning Russel Khan, like, you know, how many
Speaker 2: people were really going to be? Yeah, like I I
Speaker 2: don't know, you don't know, but I'm curious.
Speaker 3: To see the turnout for this. Yeah, it's just out
Speaker 3: of curiosity. I want to see who's.
Speaker 1: It's SummerSlam too. It's not WrestleMania, No, it's Summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a Summer Slam based wrestle con.
Speaker 2: But I just the tweets, it was kind of like
Speaker 2: even for both sides, like, you know, people are coming
Speaker 2: out in support of Rick now and it's.
Speaker 3: Just wow, it's just it's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 3: Michael's head must be just exploding, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so I was starting cting up with
Speaker 1: the apology part. You know, we had never heard that
Speaker 1: that came out. He apologized to apparently the Impact locker
Speaker 1: room or something to that ILK that that they had
Speaker 1: said in the first tweet. But again, you know, the
Speaker 1: thing that I had heard that what originally had kind
Speaker 1: of started this whole rigamarole in the original like launching
Speaker 1: pad for this whole fiasco. The true story about that
Speaker 1: apparently has not come out either. So yeah, this whole
Speaker 1: thing really never needed to happen. This was all if
Speaker 1: the true story that I heard is true, this whole
Speaker 1: situation literally never had to happen. Steiner never needed to
Speaker 1: be involved, Giselle never needed to have any of this
Speaker 1: negative stuff brought to her and and have any of
Speaker 1: the you know, just the absolute you know, terrible stuff
Speaker 1: being said. None of that ever should have happened, Michael
Speaker 1: Russel Khan never should have been affected. Nobody be banning
Speaker 1: anybody crazy. If the true story that I heard from
Speaker 1: the first moment it was said, none of this should
Speaker 1: have happened.
Speaker 2: Well, you can't say that because you're not sharing the
Speaker 2: true story with anyone. So you're gonna be fans pissed.
Speaker 3: Off right now. So shut up. We're not talking about I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I can say it if you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: at this point, I don't care. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: who told me. At this point ago from what I heard,
Speaker 1: Rick Steiner said whatever his comments were at a table
Speaker 1: at a bar, and somebody from the Impact locker room
Speaker 1: heard it told Giselle uh. And then the next day
Speaker 1: at Russell Khan, Giselle went by Steiner's table and kind
Speaker 1: of stared him down, thus leading to a this nut
Speaker 1: nutty situation we're in now.
Speaker 3: So you're you're saying that you heard that she started it.
Speaker 1: No that well, I'm not saying she started it, but
Speaker 1: when I'm saying, you're.
Speaker 2: Saying she started the altercation at Russell com by staring
Speaker 2: him down. He didn't say anything to provoke her stares.
Speaker 1: I think that once she stayed him down, that that's
Speaker 1: when his comments were then elevated. And what he said
Speaker 1: at Russell Khan was said, So that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: there's no real from what I was told.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know if that's you.
Speaker 1: This is what I was told right after it happened.
Speaker 1: I was told weekend it happened. That is what it was.
Speaker 1: He was overheard saying something in a bar by somebody
Speaker 1: an impact. They went back and told Gazelle. Gazelle went
Speaker 1: by the Steiner table at wrestle Kan kind of gave
Speaker 1: him dirty look that he didn't like that he started
Speaker 1: saying something and then here we are today. So again,
Speaker 1: if that's the true story, none of this should have happened.
Speaker 1: So if somebody did hear that and went back in,
Speaker 1: was a tattle tale or was trying to you know? Uh,
Speaker 1: first of all, overhearing a conversation, keep your ears shut,
Speaker 1: Like what do you listen to the people talking for?
Speaker 3: You know, because people are newsy, you know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but whatever, again, I have no dog in
Speaker 1: the fight. This should never happened.
Speaker 2: I don't either and I just feel baffer all involved,
Speaker 2: and I just wish it would get resolved. But real
Speaker 2: quickly turning on uh scumbag promoters.
Speaker 3: Let me call al Oh, yes.
Speaker 2: G TC Collectibles, you piece of shit. I'm going to
Speaker 2: say that Shane, and I'm sorry. I'm livid about this.
Speaker 2: Shane and I were so excited to go to geeked
Speaker 2: Con and I bought I was supposed to sign there
Speaker 2: for two days with Shane and Sabou bought.
Speaker 3: Two new outfits for it and my shoes and everything
Speaker 3: I promoted. It.
Speaker 2: Had no idea what was going on. I Shane and
Speaker 2: I share an agent. I call him and I say, hey,
Speaker 2: we need to get the flight situated for Louisiana. You know,
Speaker 2: I need to know when we're leaving, and he tries
Speaker 2: to get a hold of the guy. The guy dodges him. Finally,
Speaker 2: the guy calls him back and tells him that he's
Speaker 2: run into some problems and he won't be going forward
Speaker 2: with any future bookings, which tells me financially, he's come
Speaker 2: in to a right and he's ceasing, you know, working
Speaker 2: with talent. That's how I would take it if I
Speaker 2: heard something like that. Would you agree canceling. All you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing any future booking, is gonna.
Speaker 3: Lay low for a while. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So we're booted, me, Shane, and Sabu. We're never told, right,
Speaker 2: I'm still promoting this. We were never told we're not going.
Speaker 2: But it gets better. He tells him that he's not
Speaker 2: doing anything. I contact the guy from Geeks Khan. He
Speaker 2: tells me that this person whoever GtC or whatever the
Speaker 2: hell they're called, tells him that Shane, myself and Sabu
Speaker 2: canceled on him and that we told him we can't come,
Speaker 2: which is one hundred percent not the true. It's not truth,
Speaker 2: it's a lie. We never canceled on him, right, So
Speaker 2: now he books in our place, the Godfather and buff
Speaker 2: Bagwell after he tells our agent, I'm not doing this
Speaker 2: anymore for you know, I'm gonna take a break or
Speaker 2: whatever the wording was.
Speaker 3: Now, why did he do that?
Speaker 2: You pull to people that you've had for about two
Speaker 2: months booked for this event that are pushing it, and
Speaker 2: then tells a lie to to different two lies to
Speaker 2: tou different people, and then books to other people in
Speaker 2: our place and never calls and tells us.
Speaker 3: I'm livid.
Speaker 2: I'm livid about it because this is you know, this
Speaker 2: is how we make our money, and to deal with
Speaker 2: people like this it's unprofessional. That's the guy from Gecon
Speaker 2: has been great, by the way. I don't even know
Speaker 2: who I'm speaking to on Twitter, but if you're listening,
Speaker 2: whoever you are, you've been a delight and hopefully next
Speaker 2: year Shane and I can come to this event. But
Speaker 2: the way this was handled was so unprofessional that it
Speaker 2: made my stomach turn and I will never deal with
Speaker 2: GtC Collectibles ever again. So if you guys are listening,
Speaker 2: don't even think about ever having me on any of
Speaker 2: your events.
Speaker 3: Not that you.
Speaker 2: Probably would, but I don't get the fact that you
Speaker 2: book people and then unbooked them and book other people
Speaker 2: and don't tell the talent they're unbooked. This has never
Speaker 2: happened to be before, never in my life, and I've
Speaker 2: been in this business for thirty years.
Speaker 3: How do you do something like this?
Speaker 1: Amateur?
Speaker 3: So unprofessional?
Speaker 2: So and nothing against Buff or the Godfather, it's not
Speaker 2: their fault, but this guy is a scumbag. You don't
Speaker 2: handle business this way. Be a man and get some
Speaker 2: balls and make a phone call and tell us if
Speaker 2: we were you know, if they came in cheaper and
Speaker 2: he wanted to cut corners. Maybe that's what happened. I
Speaker 2: don't know, we weren't told, but still you had a commitment.
Speaker 2: You booked us like two months ago, three months ago
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 3: I think we were booked for this at Square Circle
Speaker 3: whenever that was. That was a long time ago, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about Godfather. I don't know about
Speaker 1: buff maybe, but not Godfather. I mean, that's he's a
Speaker 1: that's a first class ticket.
Speaker 3: Well that's whatever. It is, like, it's it's not cool,
Speaker 3: it's very unprofessional.
Speaker 2: And I just I was blown away. I said to
Speaker 2: my I asked the guy from geekon. I was like,
Speaker 2: can you tell us why you want booked us? And
Speaker 2: he dos, oh, it wasn't me, it was GtC collect
Speaker 2: or whatever they're called.
Speaker 3: And I said, well, what did he tell you? And
Speaker 3: he goes, oh, he told us you canceled. I was like,
Speaker 3: are you kidding me? I did not cancel.
Speaker 2: So, you know, I just had to get that off
Speaker 2: my chest because it just infuriates me that people handle
Speaker 2: themselves in this manner, especially when Shane and I are
Speaker 2: so professional. We never miss our shots where they're early,
Speaker 2: we stay late, we make sure everybody gets an autograph.
Speaker 2: We are personable and we talk to everybody and we
Speaker 2: try to have a good time, and we are there
Speaker 2: to make the promoter's money back for him one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And then you get people who do this kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's just it's so infuriating. I'm sorry, I'm going off
Speaker 2: on a tangent, but I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: Well you should, you should. That was that was bullshit.
Speaker 1: I felt terrible for you. It cost you a booking
Speaker 1: with with me and my crew. I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: you to Virginia Beach that weekend, but we couldn't because
Speaker 1: you got booked up on that show.
Speaker 3: And you know, in April I think it was we
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that so it was bullshit. These guys don't
Speaker 1: even have they don't have a Twitter, they don't have
Speaker 1: an Instagram, they have very very little social media presence.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing that there's people like this inside this industry
Speaker 1: that continue to do it and give everybody else bad name.
Speaker 1: And it makes people like you then become more cautious
Speaker 1: when they're dealing with somebody else who may be respectable
Speaker 1: and maybe on the up and up, but you don't
Speaker 1: know that until you deal with them. But it's people
Speaker 1: like this that just continue to drive this industry down.
Speaker 1: And that's why I've been leaning more towards working on
Speaker 1: the collectible stuff that I've been doing on the side
Speaker 1: and killing it versus dealing with the autograph stuff, because
Speaker 1: I can't deal with these amateurs. I mean, I have
Speaker 1: guys all over the country that still owe me money
Speaker 1: from things from two years ago because they're just they're
Speaker 1: absolute scumbags.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm so over it. I really, it.
Speaker 2: Makes me sick to my stomach. So I just had
Speaker 2: to give them a little shout out and this. I
Speaker 2: know you can't see it, but guess what.
Speaker 1: It's audio for this one.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm doing right now.
Speaker 1: If you did the triple threat and brought down too
Speaker 1: there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't deserve that. You know, we're people. We
Speaker 2: just did Sabou Shane and I were good people. We
Speaker 2: don't deserve this kind of treatment. And you know, talent,
Speaker 2: if you're listening, just be leery of this guy, because
Speaker 2: I was told by somebody else I'm not going to
Speaker 2: throw them under the bus either, But I was told
Speaker 2: by somebody else that they're known to cancel at the
Speaker 2: last minute, So.
Speaker 3: Be leery of these people and I'll never work for them.
Speaker 1: Terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
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