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Speaker 1: all basketball, all the time. What I thought I would

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Speaker 1: do with this week's podcast is continue our discussion with

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Speaker 1: some of the most colorful coaches in in the sport.

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Speaker 1: And you know I I jostle between the idea of

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Speaker 1: I thought I would do was reach out to a

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Speaker 1: guy who was a pro for over a decade, was

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Speaker 1: one of the most decorated high school players in Southern

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Speaker 1: California history. He began his career Duke, played for National championship,

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Speaker 1: transferred to Utah, and now is an assistant coach newly

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Speaker 1: named at by US names Chris Burgess, and he'll be

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Speaker 1: joining me a little bit later on in the pod.

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Speaker 1: Chris Burgess upcoming, maybe a couple thoughts on a couple

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Speaker 1: of different series in the NBA. I want to start

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Speaker 1: with Kyrie Irving. Who do you ever do this as

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Speaker 1: a parent, where the whole time you're growing up, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do things differently, and I do things differently than

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Speaker 1: my father. I'm much more positive about my son. I'm

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Speaker 1: much more of a hugger, much more of a lover.

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Speaker 1: I try and focus on process as opposed to result.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you that in coaching my son,

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Speaker 1: like my dad. Sounds like my dad. My dad used

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Speaker 1: just creature of habit. He used to get up and

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Speaker 1: been then the words you use and you know, like

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Speaker 1: things that make you really, really uncomfortable. Doesn't that sound

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Speaker 1: like Lebron James. The differences Lebron James wins more. It's

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Speaker 1: That's what they do. But the chemical makeup wasn't the

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Speaker 1: the Warriors are the far superior team. Not when I

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Speaker 1: it isn't it fascinating that maybe the thing people are

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Speaker 1: you the Boston Celtics last year. They didn't have their

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Speaker 1: Because you can win games on a motion and energy

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Speaker 1: Chris Burgess. He's a longtime friend of mine. Played against

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Speaker 1: out of high school Woodbridge High School. He went to

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Speaker 1: immediate you guys are at Utah Valley. And for people

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Speaker 1: don't know, Utah Valley is like what four miles from Provo.

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Speaker 1: It's it's I think it's like four point five. In fact,

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Speaker 1: against that team at Ocean View. I had a triple

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Speaker 1: double and one and I think it was like eleven

429
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Speaker 1: turnover something crazy and that team tell me if I'm

430
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Speaker 1: wrong here. So Miles Simon was I'm gonna say a senior, right,

431
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Speaker 1: he had Darren Height, who I grew up playing with.

432
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 1: You had Mike Carrick, who I grew up playing with. Um,

433
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: you had you, you had Mike Vukovich played at UC

434
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: Santa Barbara. You guys, you had this freshman group of you,

435
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 1: Kevin Augustine yep, and me Vo bitch. And then Clay

436
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: McKnight was a junior played Pacific, one of the great

437
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: shooters in the history of college basketball. And then Sean

438
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 1: Right whose brothers had played, Sean Jackson who played at

439
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: Jackson Yep, Sean Jackson. And then Josh Porter, who I

440
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: think with cal Poly. Yeah, and his son's sons one

441
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: of the best teenage baseball players in America. Right by

442
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, I mean like that was. You might

443
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Speaker 1: have had David Drakeford. T was Drakeford same year you

444
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: know he wasn't there with me Drakeford. Let must have

445
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: been the year before he went to Oregon State. So

446
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 1: this is all one team at Modtern Day, and he

447
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: had this great group of freshmen. Why did you leave? UM?

448
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't comfortable. I loved I loved Coachman, I I

449
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 1: love the staff. UM. As a freshman on Motyre Day,

450
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: UM just wasn't ready, wasn't comfortable. I grew up in

451
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: the public school system in Irvine, missed my friends, you know,

452
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 1: missed like started not really liking the game. I was

453
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: a baseball player as well, and they kind of just

454
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: stuck me on the baseball team. It's like frost Stop team.

455
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't really good. And you know, I'm a four

456
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: team fifteen year old kid at the time, and like

457
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: baseball is a big deal in my life, and like

458
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: my buddies back at Woodbridge, we're all playing and I honestly,

459
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: you just honestly, just even though I lived at home,

460
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: I got homestick of just um being kind of Monday

461
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Speaker 1: and just not knowing a kind of guys, right, And

462
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Speaker 1: so that's why I transferred. I was as I went

463
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Speaker 1: to my dad, and I just like, I just want

464
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Speaker 1: to go back and play with play with the guys

465
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: I grew up, grew up with the guys. I grew

466
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Speaker 1: up playing baseball with the guys I grew up playing

467
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Speaker 1: city league with. Like, I still think we had a

468
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: chance to be really really good at Woodbridge, and this

469
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. And it was tough,

470
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: Like my dad was. My dad was kind of bombed

471
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: like he really loved the whole modern day He loved mcnaighth,

472
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: he loved the fact that I'm getting my butt kicked

473
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Speaker 1: every day in practice, right, and there were gonna be

474
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Speaker 1: another year with Sean Jackson coming back. Um, But ultimately me,

475
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: I just wasn't having as much fun. And it might

476
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Speaker 1: have been because I was fourteen year old kid just

477
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: getting every single freaking day um by Division one players.

478
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 1: No listen, listen to the reason. I mean, look the

479
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: reason I didn't go to Modernday. Now, I didn't go

480
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: to a I didn't. I grew up. Um, you know,

481
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: you could walk to Almadina High School with my brother

482
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 1: and sister went, and honestly you probably could walk a

483
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: ride your bike to Foothill High School. Instead. I went

484
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: to Tustin High School because Tom McCluskey was the coach,

485
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: and would they won the state championship. I just felt

486
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: like it was really good. I just I didn't dig

487
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: the whole modern day thing. And then what I came

488
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: to really embraces. I didn't mind not having the best

489
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: players like I I know that's for some people. Um

490
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: and and and it's interesting kind of the modern day thing.

491
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: Has been copied fifty times over now. Um. But but

492
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: I didn't mind. Like in hindsight, like we didn't win.

493
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: We lost in the CIA finals to Domingus my senior

494
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: year and and I remember my my junior year, those

495
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: guys we we played Domingus and at Compton College, and

496
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean we had guys to just piste down their

497
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: leg right, they were so scared and it was but

498
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: but I and I actually kind of enjoyed the process.

499
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: It was a lot like what it was like to

500
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: play it at Oklahoma State, where like you, I would

501
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to do it that way as opposed to

502
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: the kind of put together all star team way where

503
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: you just you have better players than everybody else percent

504
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: of the time. I think it builds, and I do.

505
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you in the baseball thing, I will

506
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: tell you like my thing it I was a baseball player.

507
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I wasn't as good as as you were

508
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: a baseball but I love baseball. Tustum was really really good.

509
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: And my thing was like my freshman year, we went

510
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: to the state tournament in basketball, and by the time

511
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: I came out of it, like everybody had positions and

512
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I got stuck. Same thing like Frost Soft team and

513
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: I was a catcher and they're like where you have it, catchers,

514
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: you gotta play second base at third base, and like

515
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: there's rockets coming down my way. I'm like, so, so

516
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: you go to so you so you go to Woodbridge, Okay,

517
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: and you have this unbelievable high school career. Yeah. Um,

518
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: and you've got a decision to make. Now here's where

519
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: it comes back to the b y U Utah thing.

520
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: What was it about b y U out of high school? Man?

521
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: There's a ton of pressure from the Mormon church right

522
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: to to go to b YU. What was b YU

523
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: like when you came into high school? So I grew

524
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: up in kind of a by U family, like but

525
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: of course my dad went there right, so and it's

526
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: just like every morning kid right that's all over the world.

527
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: Like you know about by U and you you know

528
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: about the school and what it represents. And so I

529
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: always kind of like went to a ton of football

530
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: games and watch them on TV if they ever were

531
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: on TV. Anytime I was in Utah during growing up,

532
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I'd come to a game at the Merit Center. So

533
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: I knew about by U and I didn't like there

534
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: was no social media where I wasn't in the state

535
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: of Utah where I felt a ton of pressure about

536
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: going there. I genuinely liked um the state of Utah

537
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: and having famis and family there. I liked the fact

538
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: um that there was like twenty and you gotta play

539
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: in this big arena right at the Marriott Center. I

540
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: loved the coaching staff and because they've been recruiting me

541
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: the longest and the hardest since my freshman year. Because

542
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: you have a six foot nine freshman fourteen year old

543
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: get out southern California, of course they're gonna do their

544
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: homework and recruits it. So I had a great relationship

545
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: with staff, and it was coach Arch Paul was an assistant,

546
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: Tony Eagle was assistant, and of course read coach Rodgery

547
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: was a head coach. So I had such they had

548
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: cultivated such a relationships with me on on all ends,

549
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: and like I had thoroughly enjoyed those being around those coaches.

550
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: And then there was a good recruiting class for the

551
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: class of nineties seven with Britain Johnson Right mcdonnal's All

552
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: American out of Salt Lake, Mikelly Wesley An All state

553
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: kid who ended up being Mount West play a year

554
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: his senior at by U Michael Johnson, a Seattle based

555
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: kid who ended up signing at you Dub. So there

556
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: was like a good class and so I was intrigued, like, hey, like,

557
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: we gotta we have something going here now. BYU was

558
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: really struggling the time my senior year. I think they

559
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: actually finished the year one in twenty six, right or

560
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: one in twenty seven and and and so to me,

561
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: it was not really it was more about what I

562
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: could accomplish that duke in terms of winning national championship

563
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: Final four's um, playing the a SEC right, going against

564
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina and Deep Smith and these things, and so

565
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: that kind of was It was about that for me.

566
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: And then they had signed a really good class and

567
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: that was kind of the last piece of the puzzle

568
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: with Shane Baddyer and William Avery and Brand and I thought, man,

569
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: this is you know, we grew up in there the

570
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Fab five too, right, So I'm like, oh man, this

571
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 1: is a Fab four type thing, and we're gonna go

572
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: to the Final four's NAST Championship just like see web

573
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: when those guys did, and this time when I win

574
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: it right, you have all these these dreams and maspirations

575
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: of what you think can happen with your career. And

576
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: I think it was more about that and um than anything. Right,

577
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: it was more about that than anything. It's kind of interesting, right,

578
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: it's it does. It's like history repeats itself a little bit.

579
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: Where you went to modern day to play kind of

580
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: with the dream Team. You weren't comfortable. You go to

581
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: Duke to play kind of with the dream team. We

582
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: played you guys, you're freshman year in the It was

583
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: a great game. Games tied with two and a half

584
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: to go, and Coach Sutton never called. He didn't call plays,

585
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he starts yelling out and

586
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: he's doing some symbol like making his hands like spread out,

587
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't know what you're saying. And

588
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: it was really loud in Lexington. So I called time

589
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: out and we ran up and he was just she

590
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, just don't you just spread out? Just

591
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: don't you spread out? And I was like, well, ship,

592
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: you didn't have to make some hand signal. I thought

593
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I was missing a play call, you know. Anyway, we

594
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: run We ran a play called Cowboy Fade and Adrian Peterson.

595
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: It's just it's said that kind of two one two set.

596
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: Hit me in the middle, and then we have, you know,

597
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: flares on each side, and I go to Adrian Peterson

598
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: and he's opened for a catch and shoot and instead

599
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: he drove in and missed it, missed the drive and

600
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Rashan McLoud was just so it was just such a

601
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: hard matchup for us at the time. He kicked her.

602
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: He scored like two straight buckets. We missed a couple

603
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: and then we found We end up losing by six.

604
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: But that team for people don't remember. Okay, so woe

605
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: Joe was a senior Ricky Price, yet it was in

606
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: the doghouse as a senior. We grew up. I grew

607
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: up playing against slick rick uh Nate James, Taman Demzowski

608
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: like got zero burn, like Tamon Tamon Demzowski and you

609
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: on the same team. Like that's a lot of big

610
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: white guys. But it was. It was the three days

611
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: right you Batty Ape and brand We're the freshman with

612
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: William Avery, Chris Carroll Well, Trajan Langnon and then Shan McLeod,

613
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: who was his first transfer right out of out of

614
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: Rutgers what what what was? What was your Duke experience? Like?

615
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: It was good? It really was, Like I enjoyed my

616
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: time there, and some of my closest friends to this

617
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: day are not only like guys I played with from

618
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: my first two year there's but like some of the

619
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: classmates I had, Like I enjoyed it, I learned. I

620
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: learned so much from coach in terms of like you're

621
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: not like he was all about like the name on

622
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: the front of your jersey, right, And it didn't matter

623
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: who he recruited, whether it was Elton, whether it was

624
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: like Oka for whether it's Marvin Bagley. No one's bigger

625
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: than coach k right, and no one's bigger than Duke

626
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: or his program. And that's what he was so good about,

627
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: um Like it was for him, it was all about

628
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: like culture, the program and motivation and playing hard, right,

629
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: and he never there was no over no over complicating

630
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: anything like obviously I played from the jaison Utah, I

631
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll get there, but it was it was like, Hey,

632
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna play hard and these guys we're gonna play

633
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: it this way. No no no matter what they run, We're

634
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: gonna show on ball screens and we're gonna front the post,

635
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: or we're gonna you know, I mean, we're gonna get

636
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: up the line and make a difficult pass, and we're

637
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna spend ten of our on scouting on us. Right,

638
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: you can do that because you got eight McDonald's Americans

639
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: and three four future lottery picks on the team. But

640
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that, and I I gotta

641
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: play like in a Maui class nic. I gotta play

642
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: in a lead aid in the National championship game. And

643
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: I got all these experiences that you dream of as

644
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: a kid, all right, you dream of as a kid.

645
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: And so my experience was really good. It was it

646
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: was just like you said, I'm not an acc back

647
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: to the basket five man. I was never comfortable that way.

648
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm must six eleven, probably like two

649
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: thirty out, you know, center, and they see trying to

650
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 1: go against Brendan Hay would do seven one and two

651
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: seventy pounds and Elton Brand every day in practice, who

652
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just I'm not an AC center.

653
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a back to basket gent. That's how I

654
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: saw it. Well, he also wasn't willing, We weren't at

655
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: the point in time when he was really willing to

656
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: evolve and to have a face up five right right,

657
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: which really kind of what it what it comes down

658
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: to is we were it was. It's like a different era.

659
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: You mentioned the National Championship game. Your last game at

660
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: Duke was in Tampa against Yukon Rip Hamilton's and um

661
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: uh Kaleta dulkleid um Khalid el Aman sorry and you

662
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: lost that game. That was that was we shocked the

663
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: world upset. What do you remember about the game? Um,

664
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: they just they locked up Elton. I remember that Elton

665
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: was a player the year that year and they I

666
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 1: swear they had bos School and Edmund Saunders banging him

667
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: from behind, like you know, pushing him on him from behind,

668
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: and they had um Kevin Freeman who was now an

669
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: assistant at Pennce Day, you know, front him, and they

670
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: just they absolutely locked up Elton. We couldn't we couldn't

671
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: get Elton going. Trajan had a great game, I do

672
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: remember that. And then Ricky Moore was kind of an

673
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: X factor for um yukon point guard. He wasn't a

674
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: score is more a facilitator, but he scores the first

675
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: like twelve, you know, his twelve points first half and

676
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: he's he's kicking Will Avery, who was his high school teammate.

677
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: But and then we had zero answer for rit Hamilton,

678
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: zero answer, and he was, I mean, this is before analytics,

679
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: right where it was mid range after curl after curl

680
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: after curl after curl, and I remember being a really

681
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: good game, back and forth, back and forth, and it

682
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: hits two pre throws with what nine seconds left to

683
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: go up three? We come down. We give the ball,

684
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: of course to our senior trading Landon or our junior

685
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: who was called you know he's really I mean no,

686
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't scene. We had senior training land and he

687
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: comes down and we don't get a shot up. They

688
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: double him and cause the turnover, and when it ends

689
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: right ends, it's because it's so to understanding. It's so

690
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: hard to get to a final four. Let's blow in

691
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a national championship game. It's so hard, and the season

692
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: is so long, and when that buzzer goes off, regards

693
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 1: the celebration and the fans regards danthing, it just comes

694
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: like flooding down on you of like we were so close,

695
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: like we may never get back here, like it's over,

696
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 1: like I remember that like overwhelming feeling of like are

697
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: you kidding? Like this was really hard just to get

698
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: to this point and nothing showed at it. So any

699
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: time I watched the National Championship game to this day,

700
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: I feel for the like I felt protected. Like I'm

701
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: looking at mat Matt Mooney and mean like it's the

702
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: word and I didn't play. I mean, I mean, what

703
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: was that twelve minutes the game, four two minutes the game,

704
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Matt Mooney and owns these guys are

705
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: like cover. I'm like, this the worst feeling in the

706
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: world because you're gonna remember that for the rest of

707
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: your life, that feeling and that so close but didn't

708
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: get it. Like it's almost like i'd I'd rather lose

709
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: the lead eight. I to disagree with you. I lost

710
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: in the early date my last game. I'm gonna disagree

711
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: with you. Um, but yes, like literally nobody remembers your

712
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: team you go from. It's the Seinfeld always says it

713
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: about the Olympics, right, like gold medal, bronze medal, silver medal,

714
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: and the silver medal, bronze medal. Never heard of him, right,

715
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: So I'll tell you, like Elite eight, we had a

716
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: great team my senior year, I mean like a great

717
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: team and we were a little bit of Heather Curve.

718
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: We play. We we played mostly for out one in UM,

719
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: but we ran into Florida, who was just crazy talented.

720
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: We had some guys that were a little bit under

721
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: the weather, but like they jumped on us and our

722
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: game plan wasn't great. Um, like we here's what what's

723
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: I remember for us is you know we only had

724
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: like a data we only have to P day prepare

725
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: as you do for the national championship game. And um,

726
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: what sucked was John Pelfrey was their assistant and pell

727
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: had actually come to our practice mid year. He was

728
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: like at our practice for I think two days taking

729
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: notes because we were one of the best defensive teams

730
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: in the country and he had played for coach Sutton.

731
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: He's best friends with Shawn Sutton and even though he's

732
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: assistant in Florida, but like we're never gonna play Florida, like, yeah,

733
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: come on watch practice whatever, and he wanted to see

734
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: like how he got us to get after it right.

735
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: And Coach Sutton was much the same way as coach Aschewski.

736
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: We did do a lot more Scanner reports stuff, but

737
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: it was more like, hey, look we're you know, we're

738
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: we're post doubling. Every time we worked on seals and rotate,

739
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: but it was more get up in the lane, get

740
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: on their ass, turn and make them turn their mass

741
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: to glass, make them, you know, make them play like

742
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: their tentative and and you know, run through passes and

743
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: go play basketball. Um. But I remember, like he he

744
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: he knew everything we did because he was at our practice.

745
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: So we get ready for the game and coach uh

746
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: is so freaked out about the press. That was like

747
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: the day before, we work on our press breaker, and

748
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: I've never been like there's never been a press that's

749
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: ever affected me, you know, as you know, playing with

750
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: my dad, like that's all he worked on in AU basketball,

751
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: which and I used to of it. And We're spending

752
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: all this time on press breaker, and I'm like, why

753
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: are we working on press like that didn't just give

754
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: me them fucking ball and get out of the way,

755
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: like let's go. And we we took off our secondary

756
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: break out of the press breaker, and if I we didn't, again,

757
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: this is like before analytics, if you would have started

758
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: like we scored almost everything at a secondary break not

759
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: out of our half court offense and our zone offense

760
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: is crony. We just had really good shooters and a

761
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: really good passer and so we end up like breaking

762
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: the press, and they gave us a little bit of problem.

763
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: He got a technical foul. We tried to run a

764
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: trick play too through a long lunch or twice and

765
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: we got but whatever, once we started like just getting

766
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: our press break breaking it, they called off their press

767
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: and they did so they slept. We go back into

768
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: his own but he never put us into our secondary

769
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: break even against his own, and so we could but regardless,

770
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: we end up getting we tied it, and then Mike

771
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Miller hits the three and I think Dupe hits the three,

772
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: and we we end up getting not necessary run out

773
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: of the gym, but it felt that way, and I remember,

774
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you're talking about, like the buzzer sounds,

775
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: and at the time you're a sophomore, so you still

776
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: had life. Like for me, it's over, and I remember

777
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: buzzer sounds and we were mad because one of their

778
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: guys dunked the ball like it was like eleven points

779
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: and the job out the clock. One of the guys

780
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 1: goes in and tomahawks the ball as the buzzers going off,

781
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: and we all want to fight him, and we're shaking

782
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: hands like you're shaking hands of Billy Donovan. And you're

783
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: just standing there and you're watching them celebrate and get

784
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: ready to cut down the nets. And I kind of

785
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: watched that for a little bit. And you start going

786
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: to the locker room. You look around like I can't

787
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: believe it's then. It's over. There's no more practice, there's

788
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: no more games, there's no more anything. Right, You're sitting

789
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: around in the locker room. Do you remember what Case

790
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: said after the game? Uh? I don't. I just remember, honestly,

791
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: remember he came around and hugged every senior spurs and

792
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: then hugged every one of us. That's all I remember.

793
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: That's all I remember. It's you, don't. I think it's

794
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: the feeling. Right. Our season ends, and I know, like

795
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: last year, you know we're losing the Wack Tournament or

796
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: whatever at Utah Valley, and it's more of like coaches, like,

797
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, we'll meet the locker room. Not sure you

798
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: got gonna say these guys. I don't want to give

799
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: these guys, And it's just like all us. This is

800
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: just like it was just the feeling, right, Like these

801
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: guys are just gonna feel or they're not gonna remember

802
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: anything we say that, but they'll remember the feeling. And

803
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: I do sadness. So, um what what what do you

804
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: remember about the decision to transfer? We are? What are

805
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: you watching the game going like I'm out of here?

806
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: Or was it you got home at all? Yeah? I

807
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: got home and I got home, and um, you know,

808
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: they they had a really good class coming in like

809
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: they always do. It's a duke, and Elton was leaving

810
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh yeah, nice, Elton's leaving and me

811
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: and me and me and Shane and Don leaving and

812
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,479
Speaker 1: Jay will and you know, a boozer and these guys

813
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: have a great team. And I just thought it was

814
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: more of just like, you know, what if I'm gonna

815
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: beat this five man, like you know, back to the

816
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: basket five man um Screener Roller Rebowner, which which I

817
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: took pride in. I'm like, I want to go play

818
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: for a coach in the system where I'm gonna get.

819
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get developed, but I'm gonna get It's one

820
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: thing to development practice and on your own. But it's

821
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: another thing to get developed with game reps. Right. I

822
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: think that's how big get developed. I mean everybody, but

823
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: mainly Big, because that's what I am. So I'm like,

824
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to a play for a coach that

825
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: the ball goes inside, inside, inside, some more like that

826
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: was our staying and so that's what it was. When

827
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: I transferred. Yeah, I talked to u c l A

828
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: and some other schools that were close to home. I

829
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: think I actually even talked to you your brother. Know

830
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: your brother wasn't there yet, Sanny State, but I know

831
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: I talked to State and u c l A. And

832
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: actually we talked to Irvine, where I'm from, and I

833
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to play for Rickman Jarius. I'm

834
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna go to Utah. He's killing it in the Whack

835
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: which was turning into the Mount West, and this dude

836
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: is gonna I mean, first of all, I had known him,

837
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: even recruited me on high school and I went to

838
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: the big Man guard camp as a kid, and I

839
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: knew how good he was with the post. But the

840
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: thing was, he threw that ball inside and threw that

841
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: ball inside, and so now I get to play in

842
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: the Mount West, get the ball and get a ton

843
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: of touches in the post, and and it's a good

844
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: team that's gonna compete for a Mount West championship and

845
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: you know an nt A tournament, good seating and so

846
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: that to me, that was what it was about. And

847
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: play for coach, I don't play. Why didn't you? Why

848
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: didn't transfer to by U? UM at the time. At

849
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: the time, they were kind of on the they're just

850
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: on the down right now they're they're working the way

851
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: up new coach, and UM, it was more about Rick

852
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: Majaris then NY and the actual university. UM, it was

853
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: more about Rick Majaris and what he had done with

854
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: with with post players. And of course he's good with guards.

855
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Andre Miller's as one of them

856
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: best story careers in both in college and in the NBA.

857
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: But it was about it was about Rick Majaris and

858
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: post development more than it was school, right. UM. That's

859
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: why it's like UCL I was a huge fan of

860
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: this home for me, Um Sandiel State, come on, you're

861
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: in the beach um good level. But I was like,

862
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna play for this this coach

863
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: he's killing her right now. And I was close with

864
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: Britain Johnson too. We were good friends. I was like,

865
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna crush this thing together.

866
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: By the way, I think my brother was it's the

867
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: New State at the time. He didn't come over there

868
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: with he was there with Fish, but he didn't he

869
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: didn't join Fish until like the full all. I think, Um,

870
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: I'll give you a quick story about how bad they were,

871
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: Like you remember, like this is amazing about San Diego State,

872
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: Like they were so bad when we grew up. People

873
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: don't people don't know that they were. They won zero

874
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: games my red shirt year and that was zero. Yes,

875
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: they were terrible. So we play him the next Year's

876
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: is Fish's first year, right, or maybe that was the

877
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: first year, And Um, and I had thought about leaving

878
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: there because we're going to play form Jaris during my

879
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: junior year because I was I was in the doghouse

880
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: and I wasn't enjoying myself. And so coach guys is

881
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: a game with San Diego State because I think you

882
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: wanted to go to San Diego the next year because

883
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: he thought we're gonna be bad, and he's like, at

884
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: least they'll be in San Diego. So we played in

885
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City and we're up like fourteen at the half

886
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: and he comes in and we're like sitting there and

887
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: we're you know, pounding our chest or whatever, and we

888
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: got a really good team and he sits down next

889
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: to me goes, you tell your brother, you better go

890
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: get some players. Brother, you can get you dress fired.

891
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 1: They're terrible. Right turns out, by the way, the next year,

892
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: sitting the State did beat Oklahoma State UH at via House.

893
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: I think it's cocks back then. Anyway, Yeah, they were.

894
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: They were bad. So what was sitting out? You're you're

895
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: with Majari's. And for people who don't know majaris like

896
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: I almost went and played for Majaried's before I transferred

897
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. That was really my two of my final

898
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: three schools. Marquette Notre Dame and I mean Alabama a

899
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: little bit too, and and then UH and Utah. And

900
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: the only reason I didn't was it was a week

901
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: before I was going to visit and on there was

902
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: a they passed a rule where if you're prop forty

903
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: eight and you graduated in four years, you got that

904
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: year back, So you got a fifth year kind of

905
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: for free, and your first year became like a red

906
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: shoot year. And he straight and his whole thing was like, hey, Andre,

907
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: Andre would have been a sophomore when I got there,

908
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: and hey, you'll be a you'll you'll play with him

909
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: for a year, same backward and then it'll be your

910
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: team for two years and the and you know when

911
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: he got the year back, but like, well he's probably

912
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: gonna be here two years. And he he was honest,

913
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't think that's really what you're you

914
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: want to do be a point guard for one year? Anyway,

915
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. So I went to practice. They played

916
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: u C. I this was so this is a nineties six,

917
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: ninet seven, Um, so this is your last year at Duke.

918
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: And I went to practice and they had obviously had Mahorne,

919
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: they had Doleac, they had Metala Man had a squad,

920
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: and they had Andre Miller. And the practice was unbelievable,

921
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: like it was he used to and you tell me

922
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: if this change whatever. He get onto somebody's ass and

923
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: then two lines and the guy would run over to

924
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: the baseline and no one is looking at him, like

925
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: he didn't hear. They were so disciplined that he didn't

926
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: have to look at anybody at all. And he got

927
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: two lines and they would run down and back would

928
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: be I think that would be two lines you tell

929
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: him I'm wrong and or down and back twice would

930
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: be to okay, So they're going down and back twice, right,

931
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: But I'm like nowadays, like so I have workouts with

932
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: kids three days a week, and if I just tell

933
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: him run a lap or whatever, but I hate that

934
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: I have to watch them, like, hey, you're not running hard,

935
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: take another lap. Like he literally two lines go and

936
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: then you know, and he down, back, down, back, get

937
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: back into the drill. And then he would have his

938
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: walk on huh jump right back into the drill, right

939
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: back into the drill and then locked in. And then

940
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: and then he had and I remember he had his

941
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: walk ons that he would take with him on the road.

942
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: And then they would, you know, when they do scatter report.

943
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Everybody would sit in their chairs with their notebooks open,

944
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: and the walk ons would run through every offensive. They

945
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: run through an offensive set, then they come guarded, and

946
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: they go back and they run through offen set. Then

947
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: they come guarded. What did you do during your red

948
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: Street year with him. So I was one of those

949
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: scout guys, like it was one of the solid part

950
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: of the walk on. We called it, we called a

951
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: great squad because we had these great jerseys and usually

952
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: the jerseys had whatever number we were going. Again, um,

953
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: so for the first like what is it the first

954
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: do you have three weeks the preseason before your exhibition game.

955
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm actually like part of like the Red White squad, right,

956
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm throwing in there. I'm going against Hano who is

957
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: a preseason All American every day and it's awesome. I'm

958
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: loving it. And then as soon as the game start

959
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: and the Great Squad, your scout team is introduced, then

960
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: I was throwing on scout squad, which was pretty fun

961
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: because you have to learn all the players, which is fine,

962
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: but like you had the green light and like coach

963
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: was more focused and coaching on the actual eligible guys

964
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: are the guys who were gonna get some playing time.

965
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: And so you I mean, I'm telling you I could

966
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: do whatever I wanted in terms of like in terms

967
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 1: within the offense that you know, we were scouting things

968
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: like that. But it was fantastic. Now he was exactly

969
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: what you said is exactly who he is. There was

970
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: you played with fear in the gym right where this

971
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: generation we always talked about joining the gym and juice

972
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: in the gym, but they're like there was no joy

973
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: or juice in the gym for Poach. For Jaredson, t

974
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: like there was fear, but like his guys played hard

975
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: and anyone was more prepared than anyone. And like you said,

976
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: he would say, well, he would always be like two sprints,

977
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: five sprints. You can go over there, you run your five,

978
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: and you knew at any time Coach could watch, or

979
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: he would have the video guy up there in the

980
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: stand go back and see how hard you ran those

981
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: five sprints, right, so you just knew you you didn't

982
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: mess around, You just didn't like there was just too

983
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: much fear, so boom, you jump back in the drill

984
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: and you'd be tired as all get up, but you

985
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: knew that like at any point, like you're gonna get on.

986
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: Sprint distractuses were long. He taught taught stop stop, stop.

987
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, like I was able to play

988
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: eleven years professionally overseas for so many different teams because

989
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: I was taught the game the right way right, and

990
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: I could fit into any system or any style because

991
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: I was taught the right way. And that goes a

992
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: long way overseas, because sometimes your Americans come in and

993
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: they just want to score, score, score, score score, and

994
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, and not want to guard and know how

995
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: to guard ballscre you know how to guard the post

996
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: and not one helps dive. When Majerias, he was the

997
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: point where you were just so well disciplined, so well

998
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: coached that it didn't matter where I went. I could

999
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: sit right in. Oh yeah, I got there's no problem. Um, okay,

1000
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: So your first year you had you had Brittain Johnson,

1001
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: right you had didn't you have Lance Alread too? Wasn't

1002
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: you a good player? He was a good player. He

1003
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: was actually he was actually my backup for my Christman,

1004
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: my junior and senior there in Utah. But he was

1005
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: a really good players, big star player of the year.

1006
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: After Yeah, Lance was on the team Britain was on

1007
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: the sprint Johnson Travis Spivey Spivey which was a Georgia

1008
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Tech transmitstor. Yeah, I I that that was. That was

1009
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: the guy who took the spot that that well, I

1010
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: don't know if that would have been mine. Whether I

1011
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: almost went to Georgia Tech and um, they took Travis,

1012
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: they took Spivey instead, and I get some funny Georgia

1013
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: Tech stories. Um, and then you had what didn't you have?

1014
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Bradley was like a scoring guard too. He was

1015
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: he was one and done. Trenchhas finance, he was one

1016
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: and done. Yeah, the grades after his first year there

1017
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: was a junior uh so funny story about Kevin love

1018
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: him a great player. But he came into our end

1019
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: of the year meeting to Jared's Walkson late at this

1020
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: hotel there in the Marriott, right there on car Away,

1021
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: and he walked in. He's like, Kevin, this is your

1022
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: g p A. And it was really bad. He's like,

1023
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: I told you and your mom on the home visit,

1024
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: I wan't gonna put up with this. Like you can

1025
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: be excused, you're off the team. Kevin like kind of

1026
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: looked around, stood up, walked out. I have not seen

1027
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Bradley since now. I've talked to him on the phone,

1028
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not seen Kevin Bradley since that meeting when

1029
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: coaches like I told you and he's our leading score

1030
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: like he's our our best guard. He's unbelievable, right, and

1031
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: that's again it's fear. But he's like, I told you

1032
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: don't want to do your grade. I told you and

1033
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: your mom you're out. Never seen him pin. Okay, So

1034
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: here's the best. Here's the best, um majared story that

1035
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 1: I will that I will share on this that I know. Um,

1036
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: what's the kid? Who? Um? I'm thinking he transferred to Oregon?

1037
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: I think, oh, David Jackson. David Jackson, Okay, David Jackson

1038
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: didn't play with you, Didny? No, So I came in

1039
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: when he transferred, like we we've focused each other exactly. Okay,

1040
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: So here's the here's the So I won't tell you

1041
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: who told me this story, or maybe I'll tell you offline. Um,

1042
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: but he goes and he goes on visits right after

1043
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: leaving Utah. And this particular group is like most coaching staffs.

1044
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: Like what what I hate about my job or some

1045
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: people who are in my job is the way in

1046
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: which we portray college basketball coaches as like like most

1047
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: of them are just a bunch of guys like me

1048
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: and you played basketball, that love basketball, love kids, love

1049
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: the locker room like right, and are kind of smart asses,

1050
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: you know. So they're at dinner and they're like, okay,

1051
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: you can't. We can't order any food until you give

1052
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: us your best Majari story. And so David Jackson says,

1053
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: just the other day. They're like just the other day.

1054
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, this just happened. He said he went

1055
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: up to Majaris's um hotel suite to ask for a transference.

1056
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: He knocks on the door and he walks in and

1057
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: Rick answers the door in a towel. And for most

1058
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: people who followed ma Jared stories, they often involved some

1059
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: form of nudity. WHA, David, sorry, just got of the

1060
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: shower and uh, sit see sorry, coach, he is sorry.

1061
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: You don't call him coach, right, you call Rick h

1062
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 1: some people calling Rick. Some people call him coach. Just

1063
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: where your comfortable. He was playing, Okay, His whole thing,

1064
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: his whole thing was like, don't don't call me coach,

1065
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: call me Rick. That was when he recruited me at least.

1066
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: And um, so he sit down, sit down. So he goes,

1067
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, Rick, uh we talked about transferring and he's

1068
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: like looking down, like he's like no self confidence, like

1069
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, like you're telling Rick and ma Jari's you

1070
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: want out, So he's kind of hemming and han. He

1071
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: looks up and Majaris is out cold sleep in a

1072
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: chair with a towel, barely dressed. Now he starts to snore,

1073
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: and You're like, what do I do here? Like, how

1074
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: do I what do I do to wake him up?

1075
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: So he said saree for compans and finally he's like,

1076
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: the hell with it, kind of like nudges him, nudges him,

1077
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: and then Jared's goes, oh oh oh David, sorry sorry sorry,

1078
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: uh oh. This medication I've been taking it just cannotched

1079
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: me out. And then he goes and it makes this

1080
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: my ball swell up and he shows him like his ball,

1081
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: and Jackson is like, Rick, I want to transfer, can

1082
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: you sign the release? Thanks for everything, goodbye. He like

1083
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: walks out. That's his that's his Majari story. So you

1084
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: can give me a lesser, more graphic one. Give me

1085
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: your best Majaire story. So I got a good one

1086
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: and it didn't involve me. I got great ones involved me,

1087
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: but they're graphic and the names calling. But I got

1088
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: a great one. I tell everyone I think it's fantastic

1089
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: and it's how he rolled so great. One of the

1090
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: great teammates I played with, Mike Pugh. Okay, he's from

1091
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: just outside north of Salt Lake City, Utah. At six

1092
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: ft nine, big guy, you know, and he's a he's

1093
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: on the recruiting. They're on home visit Richard Jaris and

1094
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: Jeff Judkins who was his assistant, longtime assistant time, and

1095
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: they're at his home visit. And at the home visit,

1096
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: you got Mike Pusy of course, what is the seventeen

1097
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: eight year old kids, and you got his pops, And

1098
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: then you've got mom and sister okay, and so coach

1099
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: just given the whole spill and coaches, you know, so on.

1100
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: At some point where he's trying to like you, trying

1101
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: to scare me away, but he's being so honest. He's like, listen,

1102
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: I got Keith Van Horn's gonna be seen you next year.

1103
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna commit here at the garden every day. He's

1104
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: going to destroy you all these different things. And he's

1105
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: like for you to be able to compete, and eventually

1106
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: every time you're going to have to gain weight. And

1107
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: he's like, and I'm looking at your mom and your

1108
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: sister and they're both really heavy. So I know that

1109
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: that you got it into. Who is this? This is

1110
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: Mike Pusy. So Mike ends up signing there. You know,

1111
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: he plays one year during Dan Horren senior year, it

1112
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: goes on his Mormon mission to Sweden, comes back, and

1113
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: Mike's a sophomore return missionary. During my retchier year, I

1114
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: play my ret e with Mike, and then my and

1115
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: then I play with UNI's together, and then Coach ends

1116
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: up taking a scholarship way and Mike transfers to Utah State.

1117
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: And now Mike is an a d out here in

1118
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Roy High School in Salt Lakes outside tal Lake City.

1119
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: But like I'm telling you, man, like that's what that's

1120
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: the kind of control and how honest he was, but

1121
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: you you respected him in this weird way where a

1122
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: guy like Mike finds there, like the Mike signs there,

1123
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 1: and it was Judkins coach judkins job at the time

1124
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: to kind of calm the family down, you know. But

1125
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: I just saw Mike the other day and on my

1126
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: forties and a couple of weeks ago, and I brought

1127
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: up that story. He's like, oh, he told me, He

1128
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: told me all about it. He's like, oh yeah, he

1129
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: said this. He's like, you know, coach though, and but like,

1130
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: can you imagine I can't imagine going into home visit

1131
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: as an assistant first of all, and hearing coach Pope

1132
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: say that to recruit and then us still getting him,

1133
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: Like there's just no way, there's no way, doesn't Ama,

1134
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: you gotta get it, go ahead, go ahead, all right,

1135
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you gotta get I'm telling you,

1136
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: Brittain Johnson on you on your you gotta get him. Man.

1137
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: He does jazz radio now and he does things, but

1138
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: he at first belieb career and the things he had

1139
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: to do, he got them, believ story and he does

1140
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: the best Rickman Jared's impersonation you've ever seen, ever heard. Okay,

1141
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: so here's the other story now, now Rick Rick did

1142
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: he also had a cruel side, right, and we're just

1143
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: like right, So like Mark Jackson, who's a point guard,

1144
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: was a freshman, soften with you, and I mean you

1145
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: know he would only call him the C word, right,

1146
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: Like that was okay? And and this is what I

1147
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: was told. Ray jack Letty gets the job after Rick

1148
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: leaves and Mark Jackson comes in and says, Coach, I

1149
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: want to play and he's like, I love to have it,

1150
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: and he goes, I just have this one thing to

1151
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: ask you, and he's like what's that. He's like, will

1152
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: you promise me you will never call me the C word?

1153
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: And he was like done, easy sale, Why would I

1154
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: ever call you that? And he's like that's the only

1155
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: name Rick Majeris would ever call me? And uh and

1156
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: he like he was like captain, he like qualked away

1157
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: from the team, like quit because of it? Right, oh

1158
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: he quit? He quit and like I mean, he ended

1159
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: up coming back like you said for Jack and was

1160
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: first team All Mount West went to a Sweek six

1161
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: team with big time I'm telling you, big time player,

1162
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 1: tough as nail, Salt Lake City kids, and I couldn't

1163
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: do it. Couldn't take coach. He couldn't do it, couldn't

1164
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: take coach. Yeah, there's always there are guys. There are guys,

1165
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: And we had that at Oakahma State who just couldn't

1166
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: who couldn't handle it, you know, the the Graham twins

1167
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: for example, like both the twins played, both played in

1168
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 1: the NBA. Stevie didn't never started at Oaklaham State and really,

1169
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: like you couldn't play him because you get so he

1170
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: was so worked up over playing for coach that every

1171
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: time he came in the game, you travel, like first

1172
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: time you got the all you travel and we're like

1173
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: and well, and we try to convince people like listen,

1174
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: he's actually a really good player. He just can't play

1175
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: for some dudes can't can't do it. Some dudes can. Um,

1176
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: it's it's really okay. So you get done playing. Yeah, right,

1177
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: and you had a you had a good senior year.

1178
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say you had everything you wanted in the

1179
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: senior year. Is that is that fair? That's fair? Good senior,

1180
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: but good senior, especially coming out of a junior year. Um,

1181
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: that was I felt like my junior was disappointing. Uh.

1182
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: We did win the Mount individually. Collectively we did win

1183
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: the Mount West, which was great, but senior good senior,

1184
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: good senior. Not great senior, good senior. Here. So it's you,

1185
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like, dude, you had good big guys you Lance, um,

1186
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, and and Britain obviously, so you go from

1187
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: McDonald's all American duke fifth year guy like almost fourteen

1188
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: and and and seven, Um, and you you didn't get drafted.

1189
00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: What what's the what's the feeling like to not get drafted? Oh,

1190
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: you're just bummed, right, You're disappointed. And there's like a

1191
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: lot of just just regret. Right, there's always regret about

1192
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: your career. I should have done this. If I could

1193
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: have been this, I would have been mentally tougher here,

1194
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's always regret, and it's

1195
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: like it's all of us, his players, competitors. Even after games,

1196
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: it's like, you didn't you don't leave it out. I

1197
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I left it all out there whatever,

1198
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: But there was I didn't blame anyone. I do remember that.

1199
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: I'll blame anyone inside myself. But there was this like, Okay,

1200
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: my agent calls was like, all right, you got we

1201
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: got three teams that want to bring in you know,

1202
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: first summer, right, it's summer really And so at that

1203
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: point when the draft was over, I called, actually I

1204
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: honestly called the Jet's like coach about the Pacers, the

1205
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: Sons and the Knicks that want to bring me into

1206
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: summer camp. Um, I need help, right, what do you

1207
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: think can you talk to these guys? Because he knows

1208
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: late late, uh, you know, Frank, the Frank or Scott

1209
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: Scott Lady with the Knicks, and you know its Cotch

1210
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: coach Ivarone. He was an assistant with the Sons and Pacers.

1211
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: He was really good president. So he'd called him and

1212
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: he did all his research, and the next day he

1213
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: calls me. He's like, I think the Sons is the

1214
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: way to go. And so they had drafted a Mari

1215
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: and Casey Jakinson and basically Jake bos School and I

1216
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: were going to compete for kind of this last roster spot.

1217
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: And so I went and Sons and played summer League,

1218
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: and you gotta play in Salt Lake in the Mountain Review,

1219
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: I gotta play in mom Beach. It was great, got

1220
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: invited to training camp and ultimately was the last guy

1221
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: cut um. But yeah, there was it was definitely disappointment,

1222
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: but there was also just like, all right, let's let's

1223
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: make this another way. Like in your age is telling you, hey,

1224
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: it's better if you don't get drafted second round you

1225
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: have more teams to choose from, which is completely true,

1226
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: but the competitor and and you was just like, no,

1227
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to get drafted. I wanted to hear

1228
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: my name called right, And so disappointment boomed out. But

1229
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: at the same time, I was like, all right, let's go,

1230
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: let's find this right team. Let's let's make this roster

1231
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: a different way. So I went to Phoenix UM summer camp.

1232
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: Play actually pretty well, Um, I gotta play alongside of Mari,

1233
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: which was I mean, he's obviously was what he was, right,

1234
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year UM, and then end up getting

1235
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: cut the day of the last was he like? I mean,

1236
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: because like listen, Mamary still playing in Israel. He's a

1237
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: shell of himself and he hasn't been really the same

1238
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: since the knee. But he was right out of high school.

1239
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: But he was a freak. What was he? What was

1240
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: he like to play with? So competitive? First of all,

1241
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: the first thing you play with him, the dude had

1242
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: no idea how to play the game. But what he

1243
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: did he understand one thing about um, you know space,

1244
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: seeing or screening or moving. Well, what he did know

1245
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 1: is to attack that rim. He did know like where

1246
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: the ball was, and he just had this knack of

1247
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: knifing through defenses to score. And then D'Antoni obviously, when

1248
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: he played for D'Antoni in the falling year, they're running

1249
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: ball screens with Steve Nash. I mean that's just I mean,

1250
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: come on, that's what he can do. Great dude, really

1251
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: funny and he's really funny. He's older for a I

1252
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: mean he's a rookie, um, straight at high school kid,

1253
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: but he was older, right, and so he's really talking

1254
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: to the bus. Um. Uh, really good teammate, like just

1255
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: fun to be around, like he brought. He brought a

1256
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of joy to practice. Um, just with his competitiveness

1257
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: and not like you had Google Auto was a vet

1258
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: bow outlaw was just that. And this dude at Sean

1259
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: Maryon has been there a few years, just signed a

1260
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: big deal. But the dude to Mary was like, no, like,

1261
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm the alpha dog here. I am the alpha dogs.

1262
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: I remember during the preseason games I turned to Scott Williams.

1263
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: I was like, let uh rookie of the year and

1264
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: the Scott was like, he's gonna get rik of here.

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: You don't to worry about that because he did. He

1266
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: got rookie here. Um, so you went to play for

1267
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: the Idaho Stampede. Who I was on the Idaho Stampede Um,

1268
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: right up until the first My Idaho Stampede story is

1269
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: Brian Gates coached me in the USB. Yeah, and I

1270
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: um and uh. So I was supposed to play. My

1271
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: agent had a team that was gonna play in Russia

1272
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: and live in Italy. But I had to play in

1273
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: this in Israeli and I didn't get my papers because

1274
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: when I went to Israel, I told him the truth

1275
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: that I was living in Italy. They're like, no, you

1276
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: must have lived in Israel. And anyway, so I come back,

1277
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: there's like fourteen point guards at camp. I end up

1278
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: as won the last two Aubrey re Scott Hurt was

1279
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: me and Darren McClinton. And I'll never forget like we

1280
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,959
Speaker 1: used to go. We used to stay it. I don't

1281
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: forget the hotel and we're going. Rory White was the

1282
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: kid coach, and we're going back and forth to practice.

1283
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: And we used to pick up the Idaho Statesman and

1284
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: look at the transaction page and we look at guys

1285
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: that got cut in the NBA. We're like, oh, he's

1286
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna take somebody's job in the c b A. He's

1287
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: gonna take somebody's job. We're kind of messing around, and

1288
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Randy Livingston's name, and I mean I

1289
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: I was there as a camper when Ray Livingston towards

1290
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: a c l as a counselor at abc D, And

1291
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: so I knew how good Randy Livingston was. And so

1292
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: I remember picking up Dad at host Stampede Idaho Statesman

1293
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: on the way to practice one day, was like, oh,

1294
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Randy Livingston, Now he's taking somebody's job. For sure, he's

1295
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: an NBA dude. He's taking some cbas and we're just

1296
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of joking around about it. So we we have

1297
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: like picture day. It's like two days or two days

1298
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: before the season gonna start. Brian Gates had literally called

1299
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: me and said, hey, tell Angie, like my girlfriends in Oklahoma, like,

1300
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: will we'll share you all to move our stuff up?

1301
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm good, I'm set, I'm thinking about picking

1302
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: out apartments. What I'm gonna do. We're we're taking we

1303
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 1: had done taking pictures and we're taking like half court

1304
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: shots and trick shots. And I looked down in like

1305
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: the vomitorium like that leads towards the locker room, and

1306
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: I see this tall bald dude and I was like, oh, ship,

1307
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: that's Randy Levingston. I'm gonna get cut. And so we

1308
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: go that night we play a scrimmage and exhibition against

1309
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: College of Southern Idaho, and I was like, I thought

1310
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: I was like fighting for a starting spot, like I

1311
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: had beaten out Darren McClinton with the USBL. I was

1312
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: starting ahead of him at the end of the year,

1313
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: and but d mac had been there the year before,

1314
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: so he was like the vet. So I kind of

1315
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: had to earn it. And we were I mean, I

1316
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: was playing great. I was. It was probably like you right,

1317
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: like you played in college and you felt like you're

1318
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: kind of free of the system and you felt like

1319
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: you're older than most college kids that come out. You're

1320
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: just you're really comfortable and you're the NBA game that

1321
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: of court is so wide open. There's so many possessions

1322
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: that you can kind of pick and choose what you

1323
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: want to do when you want to do it. And

1324
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: I didn't play a minute and I was like, oh damn,

1325
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 1: I got cut. What was your stampede experience? Like so fun?

1326
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: You know, Brian Gates was the assistant coach of Roy

1327
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: White was head coach, and so same same two U

1328
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: two guys you just talked about. So they had drafted me.

1329
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: So when I got cut. They reached out right away

1330
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: through my agent and me was like, hey, come over

1331
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: here and play. We got the spot. So I did

1332
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: UM out there. When training camp, I was in you know,

1333
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: outside Boise, which is great because it's only like far

1334
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: our drive from my wife from oh my girlfriend the

1335
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: time when I was getting married, and so it was close.

1336
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 1: I felt like was near Utah. Good guys, and team

1337
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: played the first few games and my agent call was

1338
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: just like, hey, there's a team of Turkey that basically

1339
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: UM wants to come, but they're not gonna be able

1340
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: to pay that buy out. It's just the truth, right,

1341
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, but if you have, So I went

1342
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 1: and talked to you. After four or five games, I

1343
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, I think I get called

1344
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: up and played another game. Was like I don't know

1345
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: me this call up and it was a really good

1346
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: deal in Turkey, and so UM I went to Gates.

1347
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: I went to Brian was like, can you just release me?

1348
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: Can you just can you just release me? So I

1349
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: can you know, I can go home and you know

1350
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: I can get my rights back and this team doesn't

1351
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: have to buy out. And so Brian was a stud man,

1352
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: like I owned to this day he released me. Um

1353
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: went home for a week or two. The team was

1354
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: like it was kind of like the holiday break there

1355
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: in Turkey during December time, and it brought me in,

1356
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: flew me out and and uh ended up playing there

1357
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: for the first year. And UM really like it really

1358
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: worked out because that really that was really the right

1359
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 1: place three to get started in Europe because like you said,

1360
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't in this college system anymore. We're back to

1361
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: the basket. Like I would pick and pop, I would

1362
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: trail three because the coach like, you have to take

1363
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: open shots. That's what we do here. Like what like

1364
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: if no one's guard, like, shoot it, shoot the ball,

1365
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: shoot the ball right, And so it was just it

1366
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: was just the mentality. It takes you. It takes you

1367
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: a while to to break out of that mo like

1368
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: even you just get rewired by your college coach. And

1369
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, I remember playing and playing in Russia and

1370
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: my coach would would say, you know, like you must

1371
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: have shoots, and I was like down, I'm just so

1372
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: wired to turn down shots. Then then he went to Australia.

1373
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: Then he went to Australia. What was that like? Loved it,

1374
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: oh Man, loved it. It was great. It's good league

1375
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: on the money, so so they're but great league again.

1376
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: It was one of the things like I was a

1377
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: stretch five there. It was awesome, great teammates, good players.

1378
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: Um Bay there in Baines for the Celtics was actually

1379
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: on our teams, like the development player is like a

1380
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: fifteen six year old kids. Um So it was fun.

1381
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: Played their two and a half seasons and uh put

1382
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: me in a situation to go, um play overseas over

1383
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: back in Europe for a lot more money. So Australia

1384
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: kind of put me. Um So I went Turkey, got

1385
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,919
Speaker 1: a nice contract from Australia and then that league put

1386
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: me on kind of a different map over in Europe,

1387
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: so I went back over there. But you also did

1388
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: the spring league stuff, right, we didn't you do Philippines

1389
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: And and for people who don't know, like guys are

1390
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: European basketball guys, you know this like back then And

1391
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's I think it's still the

1392
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: same way when you play C B A or now

1393
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: d G League or whatever. I don't know if you

1394
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: can do a G league, but back then you played

1395
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: in the CBA or some other state side league. There's

1396
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: a b a for a while too. When you play

1397
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: Australia where you don't make a ton of money. Um,

1398
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: one way you can make up for that money that

1399
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: you lost out staying home is to go play in Venezuela, Philippines,

1400
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, where they're like one or two month leagues,

1401
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: but they're more money for a shorter period time, right,

1402
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: that's right, And they're looking for at least the countries

1403
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: I played us. That's why I did. I went to Philippines.

1404
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: I went to Puerto Rico three different times for the

1405
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: spring and then part of the summer because like, like

1406
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: because it's Australia leagans early and in February, where Europe

1407
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 1: goes all the way to like June and July, June,

1408
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: sometimes July, depending on the league. But I was just like, hey,

1409
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm young, there's only so long I can play. And

1410
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: I felt really good. So you go playing Philippine, like

1411
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: you said, a lot of money for two or three

1412
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: months eason, and how you don't go play in Puerto Rico.

1413
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: And then you'd add basically all of half all of July,

1414
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: half of August, sometimes all of August kind of recover

1415
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: and get ready for the next season. But I would

1416
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: do that, especially as a five four man. Those leagues

1417
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: like the Philippines and Puerto Rico, they're always looking for

1418
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: forward and five. Um you played, you played in Ukraine

1419
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: as well, Like did you win all of us? So

1420
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: for a guy who never went on his Mormon mission,

1421
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: you basically went a Mormon Mormon mission. But but you

1422
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: mentioned your girlfriend, that wife, and you guys married with

1423
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of over the whole bunch of kids, Like

1424
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: what was what was that? What was your relationship with her?

1425
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: Like when you're traveling around chasing the basketball drain. So

1426
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: she was great. She's a she's a former D one

1427
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: athlete as well, so she understands time, commitment and energy

1428
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: to take just to just to survive as an athlete

1429
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: and competitor. So um, she would come over with me

1430
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 1: right away at the beginning of my career. And then

1431
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: when kids started to get added to the equation um

1432
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: and then they started going to school, I kind of

1433
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: go over the first month six weeks by my stuff.

1434
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: She'd come over for you know, three quarters of the season,

1435
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: and then she would come home a good six d

1436
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: eight weeks um early right, So she wouldn't scared the

1437
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: whole time. And that's kind of how it was the

1438
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: last six or seven years of my career, and then

1439
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: the last years we had our fifth kids, and she

1440
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: was like, I'm done, Like this is this is difficult.

1441
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm done. And I was like, well, I basically called

1442
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: her bluff, was like, I want to play one more year,

1443
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like assuming she would come over and she's like,

1444
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: you don't understand. I'm done. I'll come out for you

1445
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: know that the month of December, I'll take the kids

1446
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: out of school. So that that my last year, which

1447
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: was in the Middle East U A E. I was there.

1448
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: I was out there by myself except for that month

1449
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 1: of December, and that was like the hardest year because

1450
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: she's raising five kids on her own. I'm out there

1451
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: by myself just live in this like basketball batchelor life

1452
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: in terms of having zero responsibilities besides staying shape and

1453
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: performing right. And so I was like I had to Actually,

1454
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: the team wanted to sign two more years on the deal,

1455
01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: and I told him, I was I told him I

1456
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. And until I kind of fell

1457
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: into coaching. Um, okay, so here here's here's the there's

1458
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of questions I have. How hard was it

1459
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: to keep up with the real world? Like now you

1460
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: were able to play in the Internet generation, you know,

1461
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: like just when I was Like when I was in Russia,

1462
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: I remember Rusty LaRue was in Moscow and he would

1463
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 1: video chat. I forget what service he would use with

1464
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: his kids back in North Carolina, and you know, it

1465
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: was still dial up days. Um, And I remember like

1466
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: Israel was cool because you could still watch ESPN and

1467
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: you could most of the events. But like, like there's

1468
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: two years there when I was playing where I have

1469
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: no idea what happened in college hoop and there's a

1470
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: bunch of NBA stuff I don't know anything about. Forget

1471
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: about football, like nothing. And it's one of the reasons

1472
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: that I quit playing because I got a chance in

1473
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 1: the broadcasting industry, and I was like, if I stay

1474
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 1: too long, I won't I'll have this like void in

1475
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 1: my memory bank that I don't know what people were

1476
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: talking about. Um, did you keep up with? Forget about?

1477
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: And then and then I want to get to the parenting.

1478
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: How did you keep up with the real world? Is

1479
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: so like I said, I didn't watch any college basketball

1480
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: or in the NBA, right, just maybe overseas and might

1481
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: show a game or here. But I didn't watch like

1482
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: everyone talks about Carmelo Anthony and Syracuse. I had never

1483
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: seen car I never saw Carmarlo Anthony play in college, right,

1484
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: and everyone liked that. You gotta go back and exactly right.

1485
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: So my first couple of years is kind of dial

1486
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: up internet and then you know the whole um what

1487
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: was it? I mean, wife, I wasn't even around. You

1488
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,799
Speaker 1: still had to connect to DSL and and then eventually

1489
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: there was WiFi towards in my career, and I would try.

1490
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: I got different things like sling walks, and I got

1491
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: different things. Um, honestly, it was just one of Twitter

1492
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: finally came out, but it wasn't that big of an

1493
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: application to use, and so really I was just I

1494
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: would just kind of talk to my friends and family

1495
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 1: back home through texting or instant messaging or emailing, and

1496
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: they would kind of they honestly would give me kind

1497
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: of recap. I would go on ESPN dot com and

1498
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: I tried to watch all the highlights in the night before, right.

1499
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: I tried to go on YouTube, but there were certain

1500
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: countries sometimes YouTube you couldn't get on until I try

1501
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: to go YouTube and watch different things. But I was

1502
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: really out of it, like even my own water, like Utah,

1503
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even know some of the players, you know,

1504
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: I go back to sumhere, I'm like, hey, who was

1505
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: this guy? Who was? I have no idea. I couldn't

1506
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: keep up, and so you're just kind of out of

1507
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: it and you're in your own world like you really are.

1508
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:28,520
Speaker 1: How did you use the lead you're playing on? How? Um?

1509
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: When they were when they were gone, I would would

1510
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: uh we had what was skype? It was I would

1511
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: skype with them when they'd be out, when they'd be

1512
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: over back here in the States, I would skype with

1513
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,560
Speaker 1: them probably every day or every couple of days. I

1514
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 1: would do that. Um. So that was basically my I mean,

1515
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: I missed the birth of my second born. I was

1516
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico, and my wife went into pre term

1517
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: because she was gonna fly out, but she went into

1518
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: pre term and so she stayed in Salt Lake, and

1519
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 1: it was an April fool baby, And so I actually

1520
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: thought she was joking when she sent a text basically

1521
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: say I'm going to play her. I didn't even believe

1522
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: her but her mom had called me and being like, hey,

1523
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: she's really unadvious and so, um, that's that's kind of

1524
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 1: like that's just a small little story of like the

1525
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: lights that you just lived to be able to play

1526
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: this game, which I still loved and had a lot

1527
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: to give, Like this game, I had so much more

1528
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: to give and I want none. Um, But that's just

1529
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: kind of the way it was. I would do Skype,

1530
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: I would calm, I'd send emails, I'd send pictures, um

1531
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: and do the best of good. Now when they were there, right,

1532
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: my wife was really good, um about taking care of

1533
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: the kids, having the house, bringing them to games because

1534
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, European games are there so loud, so their

1535
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: kids had the headphones on. So my kids literally grew

1536
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: up in arenas um and in gyms all over the

1537
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: world when they were with me for those five six

1538
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: seven months of the year they grew up. They grew

1539
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: up in Arena. Give me the best food that you

1540
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: that I mean, like, listen, you traveled literally all over

1541
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,640
Speaker 1: the world. Give me something that you tried that to

1542
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: this day you still love and tell people about. So

1543
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: Turkish food is probably my favorite. Um. I love their

1544
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: done there, their kebabs, the thing they got on that

1545
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: little spinner of history thing, but it's it's it's right

1546
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: side up. But there's like this kind of pasta and

1547
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: Greek yogurt and they call it is kinder. I s

1548
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: k e n d e r. It's it's kinder meat,

1549
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: which I think it's probably a form him. I think

1550
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: it's lamb, but it's probably far the best mill if

1551
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 1: you have like a teammate's wife, prepare it. It's unbelievable.

1552
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: I would have it three times a week out there.

1553
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: In fact, I coached ther kid this last year. You

1554
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: taught Valley who's from Istanbul, and I would talk about like, hey,

1555
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: like you got one of these days you gotta make

1556
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: me some hiskin there if your mom comes in town,

1557
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: Like you gotta do that with my favorite food. He's

1558
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: just like that is like a Turkish That is a

1559
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: Turkish like delicacy there, so it skinder? Who is my favorite?

1560
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: Do you never tried to salo salo in uh in

1561
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: um Ukraine? Did you? No? I didn't. I was I

1562
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: didn't go outside the box too much as Ukraine or

1563
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: then a training food is not bad too, h but

1564
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 1: you strictly strictly like kill boss steaks things like that. Yes,

1565
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:09,599
Speaker 1: so salo is uh it's like uncooked pig fats like bacon,

1566
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: but only I think it's all fat and it's like

1567
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: super superseded, seasoned. And I We had a couple of

1568
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: Ukrainian guys on my team in Russia, and the Russian

1569
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: guys used to mess with them, you know, like when

1570
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: they make shots and like, oh, blit, you must you

1571
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 1: must be eating salo. You must be in salo blit

1572
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: which bled is bitch, And they would say they would

1573
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: throw in bled at the end of every sentence you

1574
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: eat sealo blitz. What's the matter with you? Blitz? Shoot

1575
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: the boa blitz right like every sentence anyway, Um, so

1576
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: you you mentioned it to your Ukraine dudes, all right,

1577
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: what is the give me the give me the best

1578
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: like crazy playing basketball overseas story to somebody who has

1579
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: never lived that lifestyle. Um, on the on the court

1580
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: or off, because off it's probably the most interesting crazy

1581
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: go go either me give me one of each of

1582
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: the course. So I'm in Ukraine, right, wife, uh, seven

1583
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: and a half months pregnant with our third and we're

1584
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: trying to find a hospital, right that she feels comfortable.

1585
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: She flies over there and trying to feel comfortable, and

1586
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: so I end up She's end up really really uncomfortable.

1587
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 1: It's not working out with the team. So I go

1588
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: to the management. I'm like, hey, listen, just just just

1589
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: pay my last month release me. Let me go over

1590
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: to Turkey. There's a team that wants me over there.

1591
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: It's like for a coaching step that I already know

1592
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 1: about the same amount of money. My wife's comfortable in Turkey.

1593
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: She knows, she knows, she knows a wife over there

1594
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: that can take care of her. And she's comfortab with

1595
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: hostile right because she We've lived the reportion to possible.

1596
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: So it didn't release me. They owe me a ton

1597
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: of money for this buyout because they agreed to buy

1598
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: me out too. And what's what's a ton of money

1599
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: to be abd uh? That makes me like thousand dollars

1600
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: in cash and and for me to leave, for me

1601
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: to just kind of walk away, and so I know,

1602
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: and I've got to go to this Turkey team. I've

1603
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: got a report in Turkey in forty eight hours or

1604
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: it's not going to work, right, I gotta report pready

1605
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: at hours um or they're not gonna sign me. So

1606
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,720
Speaker 1: I have to get released and collect this money in

1607
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: cash because I know if I go over there, they're

1608
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: not going to pay me. Right, They're just not going

1609
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 1: to pay me. And so I go over there and uh,

1610
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: my wife's packing up the house. I get the money

1611
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 1: last minute. We climb a Turkey, hold two kids, dogs.

1612
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: We find a hospital. Now she's gonna have this baby

1613
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: in Turkey. So she so she so, she's my wife

1614
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: can have this day. We go to Turkey, find the

1615
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,480
Speaker 1: right hospital. She's having this baby. It's Islam the country,

1616
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: so I'm not silk be in there. They give me

1617
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,879
Speaker 1: permission to be in there. Okay, the doctor is smoking

1618
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: in the hallway before he's delivering babies. I have to

1619
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: like shield this doctor. I have to shield this. I

1620
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: have to shield this doctor off because I don't want

1621
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 1: my wife to see it. Okay, I want to see

1622
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: your smoking. They have the baby they she hadn't. She

1623
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: ends up having the baby there. I don't think. They

1624
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 1: don't have any diapers, they don't have any clothes. I

1625
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: don't have anything. So I gotta run back go get

1626
01:17:55,439 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: it ums for a baby in a hospital. No, it's

1627
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: like bring your own everything. It's bring your own everything, right,

1628
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: And so I have the baby, Um, I gotta go

1629
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 1: pay for it. I'm not insured, like you know, returning

1630
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: all these different things, I'm not insured. So I go

1631
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: up there and pay it, and I'm like, hey, can

1632
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: I spread this out over a couple of credit cards?

1633
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: Are like sure? And then ends up being like two

1634
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: and thirty dollars for everything. Ends up being like everything.

1635
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 1: So my wife said, would have that baby, and after

1636
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: words they have. My wife has to get a TETNA

1637
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: shot because she's like, hey, not everything might be sterile.

1638
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 1: So just in case, let's give you this technic shot.

1639
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: Here's I'll give you a quick Russian hospital story. Okay,

1640
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: So I land in Russia, and I've been playing in Salina,

1641
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 1: Kansas for like two weeks. In the I b a

1642
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: to kind of get in shape for Russia. So they

1643
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: had offered me a contract, but they wanted me to

1644
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: work out with them. The team's gone and on a

1645
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: road trip and they're coming back like in a couple

1646
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: of days. So they worked me out by myself, like literally,

1647
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: they don't have this team was we won the Russian

1648
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: league and one our European league, but they didn't have

1649
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: a junior team really to speak of. So I'm like

1650
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: alone in a gym for two hours, for an hour

1651
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 1: and a half in the morning and two hours in

1652
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: the evening, and they're just like coming up with drills

1653
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: for me to do. I mean, it was crazy, like

1654
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: they were like, how many threes must you make in

1655
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: a minute. I was like, I don't know, feed me,

1656
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: let's say it, like okay, go and I was like, wait,

1657
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 1: there's nobody feed me, Like no, we want you. So

1658
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: like for conditioning, I list like how many threes you

1659
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: can make in a minute, and then you take a

1660
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: minute off, and then you do it again, and they

1661
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: take a minute off, they do it again. I'm like exhausted.

1662
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm eating terribly. I'm not sleeping anyway. So

1663
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,720
Speaker 1: they're like they they want me to sign this contract.

1664
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: They don't want me to send to my agent. They

1665
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: want me like it's in Russian. I'm like, no, I'm

1666
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:47,640
Speaker 1: not sign anything in sucking Russian. So anyway, they're like,

1667
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: you have you must go to physical So so I

1668
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: go to some hospital in perm Russia and it was

1669
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: like one of these things where I mean it looked

1670
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,879
Speaker 1: like out of the nineteen sixties Russia. Right, everything's gray

1671
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: or like some weird like greenish color walls. And you

1672
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: go into one room and they like check your knees

1673
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: and like they have you like bend down and bend

1674
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: over and they work on your knees. And then you

1675
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: got another one and they check your back and they

1676
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: actually your back, and they got another one and they

1677
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: check your hearing, you know, and they got another one.

1678
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: They check your eyes. So the last one I go into,

1679
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: like the last one I go into is like a dentist.

1680
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: So I go in and they like, have you open up?

1681
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: And the lady comes in and she's like looking at

1682
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 1: my teeth and she's got all gold uppers and all

1683
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: gold lowers, and I go, I'm good, my my teeth

1684
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: are good. No thanks, no, no speciba, no speciba, no

1685
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: speciop have no. Do you remember Paul of course? Yeah,

1686
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: he's that book, right, yeah, that book, that book. Like

1687
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: anyone who goes overseas, I'm telling they talked about them

1688
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: like did you gotta read Pulse early book? And that's

1689
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: a different air of course, due to generation, there's probably

1690
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: so much more things. But that book is fantastic because

1691
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: I was I was probably on my seventh grade year

1692
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: over there, and I'm like laughing the old time because

1693
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: we all have these similar stories as players doing with

1694
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: coaches and people in the city and to travel and

1695
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 1: agents and all of the things. And they're just like

1696
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: it's just a reminder of how like how crazy is

1697
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: and like they used to really love this game. To

1698
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: make your career over in Europe, you have to love.

1699
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 1: You get you get people because you know this. You

1700
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: get people who tell like, oh, well, you know, if

1701
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out of just go overseas, Like do

1702
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: you have any idea? Do you have any like you

1703
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: gotta change every part about your life. You're playing for

1704
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: people who have no respect for your upbringing. They don't

1705
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: care right, um, and you have no idea your one

1706
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 1: year commodity, one year commodity, don't care about your health

1707
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: the next year and in all honesty, like they don't

1708
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: even the contracts don't mean anything to most of these people,

1709
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: Like what do you canna do? Sum right? So I

1710
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: mean it's an amazing thing that you have to do. Okay,

1711
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: what about playing? Because I do think that there's a

1712
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 1: ton of things we've taken from them. There's some ship

1713
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: they do. That's weird. Like I still don't understand the

1714
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: risk stretched thing they do or the knee roll around

1715
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: your knee stretched thing that they do. Soccer soccer warm up.

1716
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: It's soccer warms They have the soccer mentality, right, So

1717
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: the way they like we would do the tentclo runs

1718
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: for the first ten minutes of practice around the court,

1719
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, come on, like this is We're not

1720
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: soccer players, right, We're basketball players. Like we don't need

1721
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: to warant the same way of soccer team does by

1722
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: running around the field. I can stand that for five

1723
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: minutes you run a certain way and then counterclock the

1724
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: last five minutes. So they would do that, like you

1725
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: said in that knee stretch. I just think it's you know,

1726
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: it's just a different mentality over there. And they love

1727
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: their two days, right. You always come in the morning

1728
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: either gonna shoot or live, and then come back in

1729
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 1: the evening and you're practice and so like I always

1730
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 1: told people, like if you're not in the EuroLeague or

1731
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: euro Cup, you're just in a domestic league. Like you're

1732
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: paid to practice like what ten sometimes eleven times a

1733
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: week and then you play one game a week, like

1734
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: you have to love this game because and your wife,

1735
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: your wife better be supported if you're married. I'm just

1736
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: gonna go over there, because it's not for it's not

1737
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 1: for spouses. Some countries are, but for the most part,

1738
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: it's just not you gotta love. No, No, it's it's

1739
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 1: it in and in fairness, it's a job and they

1740
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: don't care. Um, and most other jobs don't don't care either.

1741
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: I think people in the States care a little bit

1742
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: more than they do otherwise. But it's fast. Okay. So

1743
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: you decide to go into coaching what was and and

1744
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: here's the funny thing about Mark Pope, who you worked for.

1745
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: He can he can attest to this story. So um

1746
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: he and I think I don't know if he still

1747
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: has it. He still have the same cell phone number?

1748
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: Uh no, he Well it's four years old now I

1749
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: do know that. Okay, So four years ago you go

1750
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 1: back before that, when he was at b y U,

1751
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,599
Speaker 1: they gave him Dave Rice's cell phone like same novels. Okay,

1752
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,560
Speaker 1: So for Dave Rice's first couple year's at un l V.

1753
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if I saved Dave's new one or

1754
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: is all one, but I did a ton of un

1755
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: l V games, Like at one year, I did thirteen

1756
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: UNLV games and I'm telling you, like asked Pope. I

1757
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: would like text him like, hey, can we grab coffee?

1758
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: And he would text me like I don't drink coffee.

1759
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah you do. You're not Mormon. He's like, yes,

1760
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: I am, and he's like mess with me. I was like,

1761
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Like I know you're not Morman,

1762
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: like yes I am, and I am. I arguing like dude,

1763
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm outside of your office while like this is Mark Pope.

1764
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Like, oh shoot, I didn't know,

1765
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: and he would and for whatever reason, like I don't

1766
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:37,799
Speaker 1: know why, maybe I just never deleted it or sometimes

1767
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: but his but Rice's number became his number and even

1768
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 1: when he was at Washington, right, he's still I think

1769
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: he still kept the same number. I don't remember who

1770
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: who was where, But it's actually so what was the

1771
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: decision like to get into coaching? So I was overseas

1772
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: my last year. I knew would give me my last

1773
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: year and a buddy of mine was named his name

1774
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: is still calling and now with the Spurs front office.

1775
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: But Phil with my teammate at Utah and was the

1776
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: director of Basketball Assistant Director of Basketball office to this

1777
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: position at Utah. So I kind of message now on

1778
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: emails like, hey, I've still got like five classes for

1779
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: I gradualate. I actually never got my degree. And so

1780
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: I messed like, hey, can guys come work from camps,

1781
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 1: storming and classes. I'm actually gonna do this. I'm gonna finish,

1782
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my degree. I'm so close, and I'm retiring.

1783
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm done and get a job, but I'd love for

1784
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: some classics. And so he calls, He's like, hey, we

1785
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 1: can actually pay for it if you'll be kind of

1786
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: an undergrad student coach. It's kind of this weird little

1787
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: loophole where you're not it's not quite a gratuitism because

1788
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 1: you're not doing your masters, but we'll pay for it

1789
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: and we get the bonus a pr point, you know.

1790
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: So he's like it's a win win for us. I'm like, yeah, sure,

1791
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: what do you need from me? Though, Um, if you're

1792
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 1: gonna pay for it and I can work camping, is

1793
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: that what you need for me? Is like, well, coach

1794
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: is gonna have you kind of be a student coach

1795
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: and you'll be on the scout team or you know,

1796
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,799
Speaker 1: might have you kind of be this liaison between players

1797
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,640
Speaker 1: and staff and and I've always kind of wanted to

1798
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 1: get his coaching because I've always I've enjoyed being around

1799
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: and and I love the game. So I thought this

1800
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: was a good way to see if I really wanted

1801
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: to do this. Fell in love with of course it's

1802
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: the learn the rights. First year in Utah has had

1803
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: their best year, you know since you know, five or

1804
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: six years ago, since the boiling era. So I loved it,

1805
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: was around it, and I was like, I want to

1806
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: do this. So I'm talking to some guys and staff

1807
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: like help me out what I need to do, Like

1808
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 1: I'll do whatever, I'll volunteer. So I kind of worked

1809
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,679
Speaker 1: my way as a student assistant to in Nelskinia College,

1810
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: which is a big time junior college out there in Iowa,

1811
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: and was hired there full time. And then Wall on

1812
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: the Road and Walter recruiting. You get to know all

1813
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 1: these coaches. It's just what you do right your network,

1814
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 1: and um Mark Polpe gets the job in Utah Valley

1815
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: and I had a decent relationship with him, and I

1816
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: just cold call like all his coaches do. Is where

1817
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: networking I was like, hey, I don't know if you're

1818
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: thinking about your staff. This is why I bring the table,

1819
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: would love to do it. I'm all in. Um, so

1820
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: interviewed me, interviews it at the bottom four and ended

1821
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: up working out. And then I'm there at Utah Alex

1822
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: for four years. We've learned so much, would you know,

1823
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 1: learn so much from him and kind of now you

1824
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: know we was able lucky enough to still stawn staff

1825
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: with him. But that's kind of it was kind of

1826
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like I want to

1827
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: do this, how do I do it? And you and

1828
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: so many in my position right as a former player,

1829
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 1: sometimes they're a stigma big I can't coach and former

1830
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: players just expect to have whatever. Or I was like, no,

1831
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: I'll do I'll do whatever. If I got a volunteer,

1832
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: if I gotta go junior college, I just want to coach.

1833
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: I just want to be around these kids and learn.

1834
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: And so that was kind of my path six years ago. Um,

1835
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: and now you know I am where I am, which

1836
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 1: is this is the coach now by you? Amazing? Um?

1837
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: How how Mormon were you when you were traveling? Uh?

1838
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Wait say that Again't say that again. I don't want

1839
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: to get you in trouble by you like how Mormons? No, no, no,

1840
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: I mean like, you know, in terms of what you're

1841
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: eating church on Sunday's, you know, like how how Norman? Huh.

1842
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: Very I'm a very active member of the Mormon Church.

1843
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 1: Like I go to church on Sundays, I have a

1844
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: temple recommend I go to the temple. I just had

1845
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: the temple a pup weeks ago. So I'm a very

1846
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,519
Speaker 1: active member. Don't drink coffee, don't drink alcohols, the same

1847
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: of that. Like the Honor Code for me, a y

1848
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: u is my lifestyle. I don't need to sign the

1849
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 1: Honor Code other than I gotta shave a little bit

1850
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: more now I gotta keep clean shaving where before I

1851
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: might go four or five days. That's shaving. But uh yeah,

1852
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know that was part of the Honor code.

1853
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: You have to shave every day. Yeah, I think I'm

1854
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: pretty sure. You gotta be clean shaved. Um, you know,

1855
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: every couple of days you gotta shave. Make sure it's

1856
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: no scruff and beard. Um. So yeah, that is that

1857
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: is part of the art of code and um. So yeah,

1858
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: so that was the only one. Maybe I had to

1859
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of change my lifestyle a little bit with that,

1860
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: because you know, I might go like four or five

1861
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: or six days, um just not just not shaving, because

1862
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I've never been asked to do it right it, never

1863
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 1: actually held a job where they really cared about it,

1864
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: or you need to be clean cut in terms of

1865
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: your that part. So that's that's the only change I've

1866
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: made in my lifestyle is like I shave every day.

1867
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: Other than that, though, it's been such an easy trans

1868
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: and a fun transition because I lived that lifestyle. How

1869
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 1: do you convince a non Mormon kid to come play

1870
01:28:57,240 --> 01:29:00,879
Speaker 1: at d y U where there's no drinking, there's no smoking,

1871
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: you've got to be clean shaven, and there's gonna be

1872
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: no sex during their time in college. So I think

1873
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 1: you have to find the right kids, and and you

1874
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: gotta find the right kids. And what we do is like, hey,

1875
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 1: we're not about like, don't we're trying there's nothing negative

1876
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 1: about it. We try to say we want to kind

1877
01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: of kids who will embrace it, kids that want to

1878
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: embrace of the standards we set right, the reputation that

1879
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: we want these kids to have. We want these kids

1880
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: to be all in on just being a student athlete

1881
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: and like listen miss things that do the B y U.

1882
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: And you're gonna have great relationships with not just this

1883
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 1: your your fellow teammates and other athletes from football and

1884
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: things like that, but you're gonna find other students you're

1885
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: gonna go on with. There's some there's some fun things

1886
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: to do here in college. There's a lot of the

1887
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: like thirtie thousand student body. But last thing is that

1888
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm more of, like I seell B y U. Like

1889
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,799
Speaker 1: the history. Right there's the Marriott Center sitting nineteen thousand,

1890
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 1: the Dove c Seeds going as Gonzaga and in St.

1891
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Mary's our preseason schedule playing in Maui. You know this

1892
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 1: summer we're taking the European Tour in our style play

1893
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,640
Speaker 1: what Kyell coach Pope, what he's done in terms of

1894
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 1: transfers or in terms of high school kids and how

1895
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 1: he developed them, our staff. All these kids want to

1896
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: be pros. We've got two guys on our staff that

1897
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: that they have a combined twenty years professional experience at

1898
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 1: all levels, you know, and we have um and so

1899
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: it's what it's it's more of I try to sell

1900
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: those things and by U, the atmosphere, the history, Jimmer

1901
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Gainy Ainge, Brandon Davies is one of the best center.

1902
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: He was just named first team All euar League Overseas today,

1903
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: Like I selled that. And I try to get these

1904
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 1: guys to understand if they're all in on on playing

1905
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: ball and working on their game and being around other

1906
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: guys who are about that well as well, and then

1907
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna fit in just nicely. Right. And if these

1908
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: kids don't and they don't want to buy in and

1909
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 1: they don't want to follow the standard, then those aren't

1910
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: the kids that we should be recruiting of by U,

1911
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: right and though, and we find that out pretty quick. Yeah, yeah, no,

1912
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be amazing. Um. Any chance he only

1913
01:30:55,360 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: comes back, Um, I don't know. He's such a talent,

1914
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: he's so doubt I mean, obviously he's done so much

1915
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: with you all you last a few years. Um, I

1916
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: don't know. Coach Pope has been working really hard to

1917
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: try to educate him as best he can about the

1918
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 1: whole process, especially for Coach Right. Coach was a late

1919
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: second round pick in the NBA draft and somehow fought

1920
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 1: and clawed his way into contract after contract, year by year, Right,

1921
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: So what better coach um to talk to, right in

1922
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: terms of how he made it in the NBA. And

1923
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I think that I think you know,

1924
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 1: all these kids are not just the only even if

1925
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 1: they're they're projected late second or not there there, their

1926
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: whole thing is like we've talked about, I'm just I'm

1927
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,759
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go play professionally overseas or somewhere.

1928
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play somewhere, whether it's a two way, whether

1929
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 1: it's the g LEA, whether it's this overseas. It's hard, man,

1930
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: It's really hard. It's really really really hard. Everybody see

1931
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: you like it. It's like the yeah, it's the overseas thing,

1932
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: that league thing, everything like okay, or you could come

1933
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:04,759
Speaker 1: back your average twenty one this year, you could average

1934
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 1: twenty five and have a have a gimmer like a

1935
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 1: gimmer like season last thing. And then this is important.

1936
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned the big guy thing like there have been

1937
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 1: some great big guys as coaches. Phil Jackson of course

1938
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,600
Speaker 1: is a big guy UM coaches or former point guards. Right,

1939
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: It's like managers are usually catchers and point guards sinas

1940
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: seeing the game. Give me something about Pope that he

1941
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: does and you played for, you played for. I mean,

1942
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: I'd love to have another pod and try and have

1943
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: you name every coach you've ever played for. That would

1944
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 1: be a movie test of your memory. Um um. Something

1945
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: he does that you've never seen done before. I've never played,

1946
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: I've never played or worked for a coach that I used.

1947
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: The relationship with his players, like he builds. And you

1948
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: only went to medical school, right, and so this maybe

1949
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: it's just like patient doctor thing that he has or

1950
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: just has in him, even though he dropped out up

1951
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 1: to three years. He develops these relations with these kids,

1952
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 1: whether whether he's recruiting him or he's got them, like

1953
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: they're on his roster better than anyone I've ever seen.

1954
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: Like they're always in his office, he's watching film with them,

1955
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:18,760
Speaker 1: he's on the court with him, he's talking to him

1956
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: on the sideline, and these kids like they soak everything up.

1957
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 1: He just has a way. Whether you're from Salt Lake City, Utah,

1958
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 1: from a Mormon family, whether you're from the inner city

1959
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 1: of Minnesota with no family right and you're just broken home,

1960
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: whether you're a European kid, he finds like his whole

1961
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: thing is like kind I want to get these kids

1962
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: that I want to know how these kids tick and

1963
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 1: I want to know what makes them talk. And he's

1964
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 1: better than anybody that I've been around. I know there's

1965
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: really good coaches out there. I do, but at the

1966
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: end of the day, like the relationships he builds with

1967
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 1: these players and these recruits, and how he calls it's

1968
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: them and spend time with them and genuinely cares about

1969
01:33:56,880 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: their everry little detail of their life is is amazing.

1970
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 1: And it's rubbed off on me. Where with the hours

1971
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: and the rules are allowed to spend with them, We're

1972
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: constantly doing that. We'll constantly happen there. We want the

1973
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 1: guys to come up to our office and talk to us.

1974
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: We want these guys coming and watching them. We want

1975
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: these guys to get off the gun or to put

1976
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 1: the cones away and let us work you out, let

1977
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: us let us do stuff, let us be on the

1978
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:23,320
Speaker 1: quote with you. Right. And that's why all his whole

1979
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: staff are former players. Nick Robinson Stanford myself coded figure

1980
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: works for m Jaris as the head manager. What was

1981
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a walker but decided you want to get

1982
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: too coaching, So he was a manager in Utah because

1983
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: he wants those players. He wants us coaches on the

1984
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: court with these players. And that's why I think he's

1985
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 1: He's good at a lot of things, right, but I

1986
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 1: think that one, if I'm just talking about one, that's

1987
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: the one I think that he's better than anybody. Awesome stuff. Well, listen,

1988
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that your family doesn't have to move. I'm

1989
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: happy for thank you the success. At the end of

1990
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the day, we know each other for a long, long,

1991
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, and uh, I really appreciate spending some time.

1992
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 1: We'll hang out some this summer on the circuit. In

1993
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 1: the meantime, get back at work, because I'm sure at

1994
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: some point Mark Pope's can be like, hey, why have

1995
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: you been on the phone for an hour and a

1996
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 1: half of the God yeah, all right, I'll just have

1997
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Speaker 1: recruiting coach recruiting here. So no, I appreciate you have

1998
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Speaker 1: me on. It's always fun. I love talking to a

1999
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: little bitting of your stuff and stove following you. So

2000
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Speaker 1: it was cool to come on and I appreciate it. CV,

2001
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Speaker 1: my man, thanks for joining us. Take Doug, my thanks

2002
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Speaker 1: to Chris Burgess, and my thanks to basketball. How could

2003
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Speaker 1: have basketball been recently. All right, we'll we'll react to

2004
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Speaker 1: all the results. Wait you here next week's guest. Thanks

2005
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Speaker 1: for downloading, subscribing, and rating. Don't forget to tune into

2006
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2007
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2008
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