1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: for tuning in. We've got our super producer, guest producer, 4 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: the man the myth legend, mister Paul Blackjack Decades Folks, 5 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: is here with us live. 6 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: Noel. I'm then you're Noel. We are live in Las Vegas. 7 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: It's true. 8 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: They call me the main smell by the way, Now 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: what was It's like top golf, but just the most 10 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: popular of aromas. But we are coming to you today 11 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 3: live from the iHeart Podcast studio powered by at the 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: House of Music at the iHeart Radio Music Festival. 13 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: We are very much and it's nighttime, though I said day. 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 3: You may be listening to this during the day, so 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: I was just kind of trying to tick all the box. 16 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: Your chronological mileage may vary, So let's paint a picture. 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: Right now, Noel and I are sitting inside a booth, 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: a booth on the grounds of the T Mobile Arena 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: here in Las Vegas. Have we decided that we were 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: going to have our live episode tonight. 21 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: We're going to treat it the way that we. 22 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: Treat things when we're just hanging out as buddies. 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: Well that's all. I like to think. 24 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: That's how we treat every episode of Ridiculous History. But 25 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 3: I'm picking up what you're putting there. 26 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: That's sweet. What we're saying is there's some background noise. 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, we're not directly in the pit, 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: but we might as well be because they have a 29 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: whole pa set up outside with like video and stuff, 30 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: so we're kind of right outside that, but we can 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: suspend some disbelief. 32 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: Right Yeah. 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a good energy going by. You know, 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: our pals Anny Reese and Lower and vogel Bomb just 35 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: walked by and they love podcasting too, so they were 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: about to sneak into the booth. 37 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 3: Going to bumb rush us man, but then they didn't 38 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 3: realize they were the giant glass doors. We have had 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: a few little intoxicated folks just like run into the 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: thing like a bird into a deck window doing stuff. 41 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: That's right. 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 3: We did another podcast earlier, but today we are here 43 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: to talk specifically about something that we've definitely addressed adjacently. 44 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: Eugene V. 45 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: Debs, you might recall big figure in the labor movements. 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: He's sort of a top spell really is indeed a 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: top smell in that particular department. 48 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: But we're talking. 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: I think it may even have come up in that episode. Yes, 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: the idea of what's the deal is not even gonna 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: do it. What's up with the idea of not wearing 52 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: white or was it wearing white after Labor Day? 53 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: It's like a faux pas. It feels like an old 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: timey thing. It came up. 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: We looked it up and it was like, oh, turns 56 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: out it was something rich people invented to make themselves 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 3: stand apart from the rabble, which. 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: Also goes back to I didn't mention this on airon previously. 59 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: It also goes back to the idea of dress code 60 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: as discrimination, which is how dress codes started, right to 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: begin with. 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 3: Anything usually with code after it in those days, probably 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: not a good code, you know. 64 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: And so we are, as is our wont in ridiculous history. 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: We are going to learn more about a holiday shortly 66 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,399 Speaker 1: after it occurred. Yeah, we're good at that, but we're 67 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: very good. Hey, I think we did. Okay, we're within 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: a month, right. 69 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: We want to give a shout out, of course to 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: another integral part of our show, our regular super producer 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Max Williams, this rippin legend is too busy to hang 73 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: out with us. 74 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: But recently I thought you were referring to the ripping 75 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: legend of his white pants. I thought you're going to say, 76 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: but he left us with this ripping legend, which they did. 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: They allegedly did not rip, but he's still legend. And 78 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: remember he recently went to a wedding on a beach. 79 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: And so Max, like you are like me and hopefully 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: like you ridiculous historians. He loves nineties R and B. 81 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: He loves boys to men. So he bought a white 82 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: pair of pants, right, He didn't. 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: He didn't have the white flowing linen shirt or the 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: or the or the jacket. 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: But he was halfway there. He was half way, and 86 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: that's what he said. He really was. 87 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: He felt that this was a worthy investment because it 88 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: was a light, you know, cool white pair of linen pants, 89 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: but all social underwek he bought specially as you would. 90 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: You know, you want you don't want it to it's 91 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 3: too sh it's too sheer. You know, you might see 92 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: the line. 93 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: Big coward through the white pants. You got to make 94 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: sure they match. But it's half a suit it's half 95 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: a suit. It's the first part of the suit investment, 96 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: which is not cheap. 97 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: And it was halfway through September as well, and that's 98 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: when it hit our pal Max. He said, I can't 99 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: wear white right now because it's mid September. It's after 100 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: the national holiday we have here in the US, Labor Day. 101 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I'm pretty sure he still wore them. 102 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: It was just he occurred to him that maybe I 103 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: should look into this. And I think through all of 104 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: Max's research, to through our research, through our conversations with Max, we've. 105 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: Determined that kind of wear white whenever you want. 106 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: This is sort of a dated cliche with the history 107 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 3: of it says a lot about the labor movement in general. 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: It didn't occur to me until little later, but you 109 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: might remember the terms, you know, white collar blue collar. 110 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: Right. 111 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: White collar jobs are typically like higher paying jobs, you know, 112 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: more affluent type jobs, and blue collar jobs are usually 113 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: like manual labor jobs. And that had to do with 114 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: the history that we're about to talk about here, what 115 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: it meant to be able to wear white, not have 116 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: to worry about getting motor oil on your collar or whatever. 117 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, because you don't do the physical labor. And 118 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: also it's funny that Labor Date in the US in 119 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: modern times, everybody loves it because. 120 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: It's a day off of work. 121 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, you have a barbecue, We have barbecues together 122 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: sometimes a solidity. But a lot of folks don't know 123 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: the origin of that, and I question whether that origin 124 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: has been purposely erased. You don't care about the two 125 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: union leaders in New Jersey who fought to take a 126 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: day to recognize the hard working to your point, no 127 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: blue collar people in their communities. So let's talk a 128 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: little bit about the rise of the labor movement, the 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: creation of Labor Day, and why people are to your point, 130 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: not supposed to wear white after it. 131 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 3: Well as it stands now, you know, with that day 132 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: of rest and the barbecuing and all that, it is 133 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: meant to represent, you know, the achievements of the labor 134 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: movements and to appreciate the labors of the laborers of 135 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: the labor movie. How laborious, laborious. But you know, that's 136 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,119 Speaker 3: the idea is to celebrate you know, work, people that work, 137 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: both white collar and blue collar. 138 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: But again, historically a lot. 139 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: Of organizing and unionizing and things like that have centered 140 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 3: around jobs that were easily exploited by bad people and 141 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: high positions of power. They felt that they essentially owned 142 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: these individuals, and that before the times of regulations that 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: protected these workers in the workplace so they could go 144 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: to work and not fear for their lives, people were 145 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: fearing for their lives. 146 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: Oh and also we made peace with Sheryl Crowe. 147 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: That was pretty cool goodness, although I did run away 148 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: because you realize, you know, I told you and our 149 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: palm Matt Frederick that one of her songs triggered. 150 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: An emotion and not an emotion. 151 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: I don't have a ton of them, I know, and 152 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 3: you were I think you already hit your quota. 153 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: This was my third one. 154 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, but no, right, I mean, like, before, you know, 155 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: the the advent of the labor movement, people were putting 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: themselves potentially in bodily harm just for the privilege of 157 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: making ends meet for their families. 158 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: Right. 159 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: So, the US Department of Labor has has a good 160 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: primer on this. 161 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: You can read it for free online. 162 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: It's called History of Labor Day, and they point out 163 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: it's always observed the first Monday in September, which, by 164 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: the way, that's a negative for me because you know 165 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: how I feel about all those holidays that are like 166 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: this is the you know, was it Thanksgiving? Is like 167 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: this is Thursday or whatever. Yeah, I don't think either 168 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: of us know until someone more on the ball text. 169 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: Let's just snow that we have the day off and 170 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: that's a shame. 171 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: And it wasn't until eighteen eighty six that a movement 172 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: began that, you know, asked for this to be made 173 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: a national holiday, and that's when some bills were passed. 174 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: It to just that pretty much a grassroots movement as well. 175 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't until June twenty eighth, eighteen ninety for that 176 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: Congress passed an act making that first Monday in September 177 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: of every single year a legal holiday in the United States. 178 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: But what's interesting is in that explanation the Department of 179 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: Labor left out why Labor Day was. 180 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: A thing in the beginning. 181 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: That's the erasure I'm talking about, you know, to your point, 182 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: Let's go to Karen Zraich for New York Times. Karen 183 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: points out that in the late eighteen hundreds, many people 184 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: in this country in the United States, including Las Vegas. 185 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 2: Which wasn't built by that. 186 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, many of these Americans toiled for twelve hours a day, 187 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: seven days a week, often in really physically dangerous, very 188 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: low paying jobs. And this was of course the heyday 189 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: of child labor in the US. 190 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: That's right. 191 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, Karen puts it beautifully well tragically, but you know, 192 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: she writes very well, and you know, to our earlier point, 193 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 3: the conditions were often very dangerous, and there was nobody 194 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: looking out for the workers to make sure they didn't 195 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: lose a hand or a limb or their lives. 196 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 197 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, she says children worked to on farms and in 198 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: factories and mines. Conditions were often harsh and unsafe. It 199 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: was in this context that American workers held the first 200 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Labor Day parade, marching from New York City Hall to 201 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: a giant picnic at an Uptown park on September fifth, 202 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty two. And nol I love you know, I 203 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: love a protest, I love a march, but also I 204 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: love when that ends in a picnic called bear. 205 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: I love a picnic, and I love a parade, and 206 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: I love a good headline, which this one was working 207 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: men on Parade. That sounds like a delight, and that 208 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: came from the New York Times. The article actually appeared 209 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: on the very last page, which is kind of weak. 210 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: I would say, it seems like it should have gotten 211 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 3: a little bit more, you know, preferential treatment than that. 212 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 3: But it did say in this buried lead that ten 213 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: thousand people marched quote in an orderly and pleasant manner. 214 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: So that's so patrician. Maybe, you know, maybe that's why 215 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: they put it on the last page. Maybe if they 216 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: had like gotten a little rowdy, you know, it would 217 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: it would have made bigger headline. Some of these peasants 218 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: have military trainings. 219 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: See how they are, I see how they march in 220 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: such an orderly man. 221 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not natural. They the workers were. The workers 222 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: were the. 223 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: Lower middle class members of the city, members of what 224 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: you might consider like guilds, you know, like you know, 225 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: certain things like bricklayers and shoemakers and dressmakers. Right, yeah, 226 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: people working in printing presses, people rolling cigars, folks work 227 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: in the dock. This wasn't yet an official holiday. And 228 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: so what's interesting and tragic about this, and quite courageous, 229 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: I would argue, is that a lot of those ten 230 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: thousand people were risking losing their job by showing up 231 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: by participating in this parade, which was actually a worker's 232 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: strike across professions. 233 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: That's right. 234 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 3: In eighteen ninety four, we've talked about this as well. 235 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: We had the Pullman strike, which was a big deal, 236 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: disrupting trade and disrupting a lot of the rail movement 237 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: there in the Midwest. And at this point, you know, 238 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 3: the federal government was not about this kind of behavior. 239 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: There was no protection for striking workers, There was no 240 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: protection for standing up for your rights to not be exploited, 241 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: and the government totally crushed them. 242 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: Right. 243 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 3: It was like a strike breaking type situation like the Pinkertons, 244 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 3: you know, Like I mean, honestly, they may have employed 245 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: the Pinkertons even you know, I heard a lot about 246 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: you know, what do they call boss Tweet and folks 247 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: like that, the Tammany Hall machine and all of that. 248 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: There was a lot of breaking up these strikes and 249 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 3: like you know, through physical force, through violence. 250 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: In this parade, they clearly had the people on their side. 251 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: And that is the history of the labor movement. On 252 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: these signs in this parade slash protest that. 253 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: Again ends in a picnic. 254 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: I just like that, you know, in a parade, we 255 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: love both these things. I'm terrible about it. I'm like, 256 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: what do they have at the picnic? 257 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: Anyway? 258 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: On their signs they call for stuff like less work 259 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: and more pay, make us only work eight hours a 260 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: day and stop using convict labor. And the people cheered 261 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: for them because there was a clear divide between the. 262 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: Haves and the have nots. 263 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: And as you said, the Pullman strike absolutely rocked the 264 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: United States. The Pullman Car Company going by the Pullman 265 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 1: Palace Car Company and fancy car and. 266 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: We say cars, we're talking about like train cars. You 267 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: know where this is also where a lot of the 268 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 3: weirdness surrounding the culture. 269 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: Of tipping began. 270 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: Yes, the Pullman was inherently a bit of a racist 271 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: flex from the wealthy towards these African American porters. 272 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say a bit. It was very bad. 273 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: And the h and the Pullman company lowered wages on 274 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: the people who lived in these company towns. But when 275 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: they lowered the wages, they didn't lower the rent. So 276 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: this this company town now part of Chicago. Everybody, yeah, yeah, 277 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: in a in a burst of creative now yeah, and 278 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: so uh people obviously now they're getting robbed by their employer. 279 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: There's no other way to look at it at that. Yeah, 280 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: they can plain. 281 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: And the owner, George Fullman, super humble guy you can 282 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: tell by the name of his company, he. 283 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: Said, fire them all. 284 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: And they striked, and other workers caught on in the 285 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: railway industry, and they were led by the guy who 286 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: referenced earlier, Eugene V. Debs listened to our two parter 287 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: about Debs. I know, Max loves him, and these folks 288 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: when they're striking, they said, look, if a pullman car 289 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: comes through here, we're not going to handle it. It 290 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: is basically invisible. We're going to take the freight and 291 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: passenger traffic to a halt. So they stopped. Chicago, which 292 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: is a huge economic hub at the time. Tens of 293 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: thousands of people just left work. Those strikes broke out, 294 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: and then, like you said, they were fired upon, they 295 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: were shot by. 296 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: Were not just fired you know, by the fat cats. 297 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: They were shot at. And we know that the American 298 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: government is not incapable of this kind of thing throughout history. 299 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you had like student protests, it can't state, 300 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: you know, being rocked by violence from the the government. 301 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: You know, people being shot for literally just expressing how 302 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: they feel. 303 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: You know, yeah, and it's it's speaking of the US government. 304 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Let's shout out as super not great president Grover Cleveland 305 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: named Mike Grover. 306 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, Grover the sesame street Monster's kind 307 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: of cool. 308 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Grover Cleveland doesn't always get a top ten 309 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: listing of best presidents. But he signed this bill into 310 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: a law on June twenty eighth, eighteen ninety four, and 311 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: that's when Labor Day became a national holiday. People are 312 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: still guessing whether he had an ideological or ethical thing. 313 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 2: I mean, he was a politician. Did he just want 314 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 2: the votes to It's entirely like who knows? Who knows? 315 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: You know, who knows what's what? Evil alerks in the 316 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: hearts of men? The shadow that knows. 317 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 3: But yeah, he did do this thing, and it became 318 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: a national holiday. At that point looked a little different 319 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 3: than what it does look like today. You know, probably 320 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: was more reverential back then, you know, because it was 321 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: so close to the labor movement. You know, now it's 322 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: almost like people just kind of use it as an 323 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: excuse to barbecue and don't really think about what it means. 324 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: But to your point, been a lot of these holidays 325 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: that are on the fifth Thursday of the second Tuesday 326 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: of the month. Yeah, it's easy to lose track, you know. 327 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: And it's like sometimes it's good to think about history 328 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: a little bit, to remember why we even celebrate these. 329 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: Things in the first place, especially when we know it's ridiculous. 330 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: This is something that stands out to me, to you, 331 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: and to our pow Max as well. And you know, 332 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: speaking of collective action, one thing that is funny to me, 333 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: funny to you, and I think funny to Max as well, 334 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: is that labor Day seems kind of collective in its origin. 335 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: History may never know who actually created. 336 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: It, Isn't that funny? 337 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 3: And usually in these types of stories, we did one 338 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: on Mother's Day, Father's Day, you know, usually you kind 339 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 3: of know and like there's sort of like a like 340 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 3: usually it's parallel thinking involved, right with this one, it's 341 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 3: it's a little bit different. We have some records that 342 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: show that in eighteen eighty two, a guy named Peter J. Maguire, 343 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: who is the general secretary of a kind of a 344 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: very early you know union, the Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners, 345 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 3: and also a co founder of the American Federation of 346 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: Labor said that there should be quote a general holiday 347 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 3: for the laboring classes to honor those who and this 348 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: is such good old timing language. 349 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 4: Who from rude nature have delved and carved all the 350 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: grandule we behold from rude nature, rough hun crawling fall 351 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 4: from the slime of history. 352 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: I love the way that was written. 353 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: Also props to my I'll knowle here because you improve 354 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: the end of that. 355 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: And it was fantastic. Yeah, I know. Thank you would 356 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 2: be awkward if you did a bad job. It's really 357 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 2: good at it. 358 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: So there's there are other issues. Other historians believe that 359 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: a guy named Matthew McGuire, machinist named Matthew McGuire, we 360 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: founded the. 361 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: Unclear. 362 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: It's sort of like the old idea of whether it 363 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: was Robert Johnson, the guitar player who sold his soul 364 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: to the devil in the Crossroads or Bobby Johnson, the 365 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: harmonica player. 366 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 3: Oh stam, they both could shred, that's for sure. I'm 367 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: that both of them made deals with that old scratch. 368 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm wearing the wrong suit to talk about devils today. 369 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 3: No, you look great, then, she just notice it has 370 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 3: got really cold in here. I feel like ye, she 371 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: ever running may maybe maybe it's the subject matter. 372 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,239 Speaker 2: Maybe we are so. 373 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: Recent research appears to support this idea that Matthew McGuire 374 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: was the originator of the holiday, because he proposed the 375 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: holiday in eighteen eighty two when he was the secretary 376 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: of the Central Labor Union in New York. And a 377 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: lot of this comes from. 378 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 3: Both secretaries, both McGuire's never in the same room together, 379 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 3: one which one was, who's Tyler Durton? 380 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: You tell me right? 381 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: So if you look at the New Jersey Historical Society. 382 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: Shortly after President Cleveland signed the law creating Labor Day 383 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: as a national holiday across the United States, a paper 384 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: called the Patterson He's. 385 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: Coming on and you hear that? Yeah, I could probably 386 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: hear that. Yeah. 387 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: A paper called the Patterson Morning Call published an opinion piece, 388 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: and Lil Wayne loves this, stating that the souvenir pin 389 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: should go to the alderman, Matthew McGuire of this city, 390 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: who is the undisputed author of Labor Day as a holiday. 391 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: And if you think about that, that's what six foot 392 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: seven foot is really about. 393 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 3: Six foot seven foot bunch, come mister Tallian antiomeyven Ina 394 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: that one. 395 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: Oh, the Wayne version of it. Oh, I don't know that. 396 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but you know, but that song is also 397 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: about laboring and about like well, it's probably about slavery, right, 398 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: I mean the tally man is not the guy's boss. 399 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 3: It's more like his overseer, right, I think I don't know. 400 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a good question. 401 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: And that was a very beautifully done segue, by the. 402 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: Way, Nail well anyway, I mean, yeah, Wayne is kicking. 403 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: I'm excited to hear what he's got to offer. 404 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: No, we should we got to to McGuire's we it 405 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter who established labored it. 406 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: What matters is that it was established and then it 407 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 3: was passed into law, and now we should all do 408 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: a better job at remembering what it actually stands for. 409 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: But what about the pants? What about the pants? 410 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: About the pant? About the pants and the shoes? Serial mom? Please? Yeah? 411 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: But by the way, also speaking of Cereal Mom, John 412 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: Waters just got like a like a Hollywood star, I believe, 413 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: and just got in like they have a huge retrospective 414 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 3: of his work. Ceial Mom is one of his lesser 415 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: appreciated films, but it's pretty accessible. I think it's I 416 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: would argue it's more accessible than pink flamingos. And it's 417 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: basically about who is it. Who's the Kathleen Turner well done? Yeah, 418 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: the serial mom who is a serial killer who murders 419 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: people for being rude and having bad manners. And there's 420 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 3: someone who she kills brutally disembowels. I want to say, 421 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: for wearing white shoes after labor Day. 422 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. 423 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: And this question of labor day and fashion may have 424 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: stemmed from practicality. According to Amber Chanical for Farmer's Almanac, 425 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: she says, before air conditioning was invented, clothing choices were 426 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: important when you wanted to keep cool in summer, keep 427 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: warmer winter. 428 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, hence Max's delightful sheer linen pantaloons. 429 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: I think he just wants people to know he's been 430 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: working out. 431 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: I know, it's sure he does. 432 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: He's got some he's got some good gams on boys 433 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: gets some gams. 434 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: But you're right, like, think about the southern gentleman. 435 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: It's fine linen suit sitting on the front porch and 436 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: join them in Juli. 437 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: I mean feel this, We're in Vegas. I'm wearing a 438 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: linen suit, right, Yeah, but I think there are even 439 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: versions of linen that are even more sheer and thin, 440 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: and they're you know, almost like silk, but like linen 441 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 2: that's very popular. It's like, what do you what a 442 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 2: John Hammond wore in Jurassic Park. I also it is. 443 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: I also I have my televangelist suit, but I stopped 444 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: wearing it because you know, it gives me the spirits. 445 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: I hear you, But this is the thing, right, So 446 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: this was in a way like also the longer you 447 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 3: wore this sheer linen kind of stuff, it sort of 448 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 3: showed that you could take vacations later in the summer 449 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 3: and that you had a little more you know. 450 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: Means you had a little more ends. 451 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: And then it became sort of a sign of decorum 452 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: because it's almost like any further than that than Labor Day, 453 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: they've decided someone arbitrarily. 454 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: It's really just nothing to do with labor day. As well. 455 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: Have another version of the story that more does, but 456 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 3: this version is more about the calendar time and like 457 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 3: just don't show off. 458 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: Anything after that is just showing off. 459 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: And it's also a way of codifying a dress sort 460 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: of sense, you know, like fashion trend kind of like 461 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 3: standards you know what I mean. 462 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because Labor Day is the unofficial end of summer. 463 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: So once that arrived, historically people would start to wear warmer, 464 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: darker fabrics. Ye like blue collar shirts, right right. So 465 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: fashion it's a good weave, and so fashion, the world 466 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: of fashion decided, we're making it official, it's time to 467 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: retire that white clothing post Labor Day. 468 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 3: And it was thought to be a sign that you 469 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 3: were doing a good job of getting acclimated to the club. 470 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: If you were nouveau reche and you started to adhere 471 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 3: to this schedule, then it was like, oh, they get it. Okay, 472 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: We're gonna let them in a little bit more, you know. 473 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: And then to your point, there's the other story, the 474 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: idea that the rule came from the very wealthy in 475 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds. People wanted that lightweight, bright clothing, 476 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: the breezy dresses. It meant that you were able to 477 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: go on vacation, which a lot of people just can't do. 478 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: That's right. I think I sort of mashed up the 479 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: two reasons how they got there, but they are connected. 480 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: I mean, the first one has just as much to 481 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 3: do with the rich sort of setting the tone as 482 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: the other. 483 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: You know. 484 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 3: Again, it's like anything beyond that point is just kind 485 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 3: of like showing off. And it's just a matter of 486 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 3: sort of like setting the tone and sort of being 487 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 3: like this is this. It's like seasons in fashion lines. 488 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: You know, you've got the fall season and all that stuff. 489 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: It just people love to have little weird rules that 490 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 3: only they know about, you know. 491 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: And so to keep this. 492 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: Focus here, we're going to put a horse in the race, folks, 493 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,719 Speaker 1: because you know, the one percent loves horse racing. 494 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 2: If you don't want. 495 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: To practice this idea of white being verboten after labor Day, 496 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: then don't pay attention to it. 497 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: Screw those certainly, you know, to to our point at 498 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: the top of the episode. 499 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 3: And I think what we pretty quickly found in a 500 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 3: cursory Google is that this is utterly kind of a 501 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: non thing. I think even in the circles that maybe 502 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 3: it used to be a thing in people. You know, 503 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: fashion rules are made to be broken, Trends are made 504 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 3: to be set by, like, you know, new people, and 505 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 3: it does seem to be if you have got a 506 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: pair of pants, like Max, you let those wear those 507 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 3: pants until they wear out in the crotch. 508 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: Let those ponies run, let them ride, let them ru 509 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: ride them, and let them run. 510 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as far back as the nineteen twenties, 511 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: fashion icons like Coco Chanel quote unquote revolutionized fashion and uh, 512 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: the industry of manufactured esthetics by keeping white as a 513 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: permanent staple in her wardrobe regardless. 514 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: Of the calendar. Where do you think j Lo got 515 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: the idea? Yeah? I mean I text her, but probably 516 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: someone else. 517 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: Apparently it's in a rider that every at least it 518 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: used to be in the whenever she's more popular. 519 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: I guess she's still populout it. 520 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: But that everything, the furniture and stuff backstage had to 521 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: be white. The candles all had to be white. J 522 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 3: Lo loves white. But to your point about Coocheel, she 523 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: was just you know, being a what do you call that? 524 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: And iconoclasts, you know. 525 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 3: But then if you do that with enough confidence, it 526 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: becomes the thing. 527 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there are still plenty of people who consider 528 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: post labor day white clothing a no go. 529 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: And that's fine. 530 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: If you don't want to wear white after Labor Day, 531 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: then don't. But you should not consider yourself in charge 532 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: of other people's decisions if they have if they have 533 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: something they like to wear, then they can wear it 534 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: whenever they want, no matter what it looks like, no 535 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: matter the season. 536 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: And I think we may have stopped just short of 537 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: like the kind of end of the other theory about 538 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 3: the white like we mentioned the idea of a blue 539 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,239 Speaker 3: collar and darker clothes and how white was sort of like, 540 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 3: I can wear this year round because I don't have 541 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 3: the kind of job that will get me give my 542 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: collar all schmoz. 543 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: Because I don't what you say labor, I don't labor 544 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: that much. 545 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 3: Therefore that it was a way of them separating themselves 546 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: from the have nots who would have had to wear 547 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: darker clothes, think like a mechanic's onesie, you know, like 548 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: the darker like denim or whatever. But that is where 549 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: the blue collar white collar kind of divide came. And 550 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 3: that version of the story to me, jives pretty well 551 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 3: with the other version that it was. They're very interrelated. 552 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: I think the true the truth of it lies somewhere 553 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 3: in between the two. 554 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: And hopefully we have solved the mystery a bit. We 555 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: want to congratulate everybody who was hanging out, as well 556 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: as our our pal. 557 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: Matt Frederick O drinking from a coconut. Our pal Andy 558 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: Kelly drinking from a coconut. 559 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: Both drinking from coconuts. You were listening to Ridiculous History 560 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: live at the iHeart Podcast Studio powered by Bose at 561 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: the House of Music at iHeart Music Festival. We have 562 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: so many people to thank Man you Debs. Yeah, I 563 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: mean he's the modern eugenp Yeah, he really is to 564 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: the people. 565 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: And Max for the first time I think, I mean, well, 566 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: he's been away before, but he's not here. But he 567 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: is here in spirit because he compiled this this research 568 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: doc for. 569 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: Thanks to our research associate, mister Max Williams. Thanks to 570 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: our guest super producer, Paul the black Jack Emperor Decades Wheezy. 571 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I just can't ignore him. He's just out there. 572 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: Thanks thanks to Wayne who you know, Wayne, just you 573 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: can just send one DM Okay, I get it. And 574 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: thanks of course as always to the continued labor movement. 575 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: Thanks to Christophrasiotis, Eves, Jeff Coat both here in spirit, Gabe, Lucy, 576 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: Alex Williams, Alice Cooper and thanks you No, thanks to you, Ben. 577 00:29:53,360 --> 00:30:00,239 Speaker 4: We'll see you next time, folks. 578 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 579 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.