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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Together Everything, So don't don't don't. Hello, kids and cats,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to our aptly named show, Worst Year Ever.

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Speaker 1: My name is Katie Still. I am also in the

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Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever and I Can't escape. And my name

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Speaker 1: is Robert Evans. Hi Robert as a fellow resident of

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Speaker 1: Worst Year Ever. My name is Cody Johnston. Johnston. Can

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Speaker 1: we just all take another lap? Another lap in this

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Speaker 1: time where we don't get a lot of victory laps

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Speaker 1: to celebrate. Really nail in the name of this show,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just out of the park. It will, yeah

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Speaker 1: for ever be something I'm most proud of it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is you. Kudos to you, Robert All. We all

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Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, though, you know, we had

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Speaker 1: to really and forth. We went back and forth about

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Speaker 1: whether or not this would be the name. Um yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we did it well fucking nailed. It's important and

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Speaker 1: uh and true. Oh yeah, keep that song in mind, Cody,

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Speaker 1: you get your your mandolin nearby. I can get it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's good, Cody. Because we're gonna start this episode.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about the allegations of sexual assault

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Speaker 1: against Joe Biden this episode and I hate this story. Uh,

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Speaker 1: not just in the way that like rape stories are

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Speaker 1: always I hate them all, but this is like, I

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Speaker 1: hate this story so much. Uh, it's got to be

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Speaker 1: a bummer. And at the end of it, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: promise the audience that you will reward them with a song,

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Speaker 1: a freestyled song, and now it's on tape, so you

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Speaker 1: can't back out. Smart move asking that on well after

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Speaker 1: we were recording. I've heard your promise, I've internalized your promise,

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Speaker 1: and we will find out what I do with that promise. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no way to know. There is one way to

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Speaker 1: know by finishing the episode. So let's get it started. Um. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: have been really focused on everything that's happening with the

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Speaker 1: pandemic and bidely important, but it was also like, whoa,

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Speaker 1: there's still an election going on and it's important for

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Speaker 1: us to continue to cover that as well. So here

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Speaker 1: we are. Um. Yeah, these allegations are pretty alarming. If

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Speaker 1: you guys have not seen it, it goes beyond just

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Speaker 1: the just I mean, all of our conversations that we've

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Speaker 1: all been having for years about how touchy Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: a very serious allegation of serious assault. Um and that cord. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've got it written. I've got it all written out here,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like we might just want

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Speaker 1: lot of people just haven't heard much about this at all,

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Speaker 1: and we should probably lay it out to start with. Um,

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Speaker 1: So it all kicked off in nineteen three. Um, But

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Speaker 1: that's not the best place to actually like start talking

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Speaker 1: about it. So let's let's talk about two thousand nineteen first,

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Speaker 1: because yeah, two that's the year that Lucy Flores, a

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Speaker 1: The Cut alleging that Biden had kissed her on the

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Speaker 1: campaign event in two thousand fourteen. She wrote, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: wake of her report, UH, seven other women came forward,

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Speaker 1: including Amy Lapos, who said that in a two thousand

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Speaker 1: nine fundraiser Biden touched her face and rubbed noses with her.

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Speaker 1: Um and a woman named terror Read and not the

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Speaker 1: which is a local California paper, where that Biden had

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Speaker 1: that is what happened in two thousand nineteen. Question in

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Speaker 1: mean to diminish the effects of inappropriate touching, but on

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Speaker 1: what the aftermath of coming out um and saying that

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Speaker 1: what the aftermath of that was? Uh? Quote? There was

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Speaker 1: an immediate brutal fallout attack on me. I received threats

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Speaker 1: on Twitter calling me a trader. I lost income, slash

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Speaker 1: bad fallout. It sucks probably for women to come forward

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Speaker 1: the Russian agent allegations. I will simply for the context

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Speaker 1: Russian agent stuff. Um, this is based. Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: there was more to her allegations. She wrote, what Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden didn't his interactions with me is not really is

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Speaker 1: really not much different than what happens in other workplaces.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy SKay Hill titled a Biden Sanders ticket the unthinkable

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Speaker 1: You're not going to get no videotape is going to

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Speaker 1: a merge of Joe Biden being like I should do

430
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: love being a sex crime guy. Um. We're just like,

431
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: this is the information that exists. Hey man, hey man,

432
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: I like to grab him by the lady bit Trump.

433
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: Trump's like, I'm the best sex crime president there ever

434
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Speaker 1: was the absolutely I hate him. Sorry, I I kind

435
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: of Katie. Maybe maybe that's what we need in America

436
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: is for this debate to come down to the president

437
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Speaker 1: who calls them lady bits and the president who calls

438
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Speaker 1: it a pussy. That's that's our good. Yeah, let's let's

439
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: if Biden got up there and just called it cunts.

440
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: I'd respect that Trump just had a fucking race to

441
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: the bottom, Like I mean, I will say so. One

442
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: of the things that really strikes me about everything that

443
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: happened here is that I am I suspect that Donald

444
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: Trump knows that he has had unconsensual sexual relationships with women,

445
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: his wife, his ex wife. I don't think Joe Biden

446
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: thinks that this was anything other than like I think

447
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: he probably if he was totally honest, to be like, yeah,

448
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: I was flirting a little bit aggressively. I think that's

449
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: how it's gone down in his head. And I suspect

450
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: that is how he which doesn't make it less of

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Speaker 1: a of a sexual assault, but I think that is

452
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Speaker 1: probably how Joe really thinks about what happens. That's how

453
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: he It's what he was apology was originally about the

454
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 1: hair sniffing and all that. He when he said that,

455
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: like the rules of like personal space have been reset,

456
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: that implies that he thought that his behavior was fine

457
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: and acceptable were different are different now, So I'm going

458
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: to change but behavior, I'm not gonna do that anymore,

459
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 1: which means that he thought it was okay. Um. And

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00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: I think that speaks, that speaks to sort of what

461
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: his attitude would be in general. But and I guess

462
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: his general evolution as a politician where you're like, looking

463
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: at the stuff that he's up there defending, I just

464
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: didn't know it's it's it's very very I would say,

465
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: it's a very serious, credible allegation. And it needs to

466
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: be um, at the very least, confronted seriously by the

467
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: Biden campaign and acknowledged and and answered. Um. And the

468
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: same thing needs to be done by the mainstream media. UM.

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00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: Because that is how we as a society should treat

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Speaker 1: credible allegations of sexual assault by presidential candidates. It is

471
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: not being treated that way now. The Biden campaign has

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Speaker 1: released a statement saying basically this is untrue. We respect

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Speaker 1: women who come forward, but this didn't happen. Um. But

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Speaker 1: and I that's actually less gross than what has happened.

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00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: And kind of the mainstream press where there has been

476
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: almost a blackout on this story. Um, it is just

477
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: not reaching mainstream traction. And like it has, it has

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Speaker 1: been popular on the far left. People are sharing it,

479
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: and a lot of far right sources have been sharing it.

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00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: But that said, even on the right wing it hasn't

481
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Speaker 1: really picked up that much steam yet. And I think

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00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: a lot of that does have to do with the

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Speaker 1: fact that we're in this nightmare pandemic that dominates all

484
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: discussion of everything. Like, yeah, I guess in a little

485
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: bit of fairness to everyone, not many other stories are

486
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: getting through right now. But even with that taken into account,

487
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: it seems like it's been black Yeah, because even even

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00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the even people who do who aren't like outright ignoring

489
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: it and pretending like it doesn't exist. If they address it,

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00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: it does come down to like, oh, it's a conspiracy,

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00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: she's a Russian plant, or like it gets into that,

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00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: or dismissing it outright. A lot of a lot of

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Speaker 1: weird behavior. If you compare it to other allegations about

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00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: other people. It's disappointing, um in so many ways. I mean,

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00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: I you're right, there's this uh pandemic going on. Anything

496
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: that's election related, even that is having a hard time

497
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: penetrating that our collective consciousness right now. I just this

498
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: is normally when stories like this I get into immediately,

499
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: And it was two or three days after this came

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Speaker 1: out before just because like there's I mean not so

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00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: much sexual assult's less as serious, but like this is, like,

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Speaker 1: I just I can't it's hard to think about anything else.

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Speaker 1: But even if this wasn't going on, I think it's

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00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: safe to assume nothing that it would still be getting

505
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be getting traction. You know, we using this

506
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: time to cover their tracks, and and and people don't

507
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: want to believe it. They don't want to see it.

508
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: And I find it so disappointing because one point, if

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Speaker 1: Joe Buden's the nomine I'm going to vote for Joe Biden. Um,

510
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm gonna have to. But it's it's

511
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: really truck tricky for me because all along there's a

512
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: lot of reasons why I hate Donald Chump, but from

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00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: the beginning when just seeing the laundry list of women's

514
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: allegations against him, and it was like, I am so

515
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: glad that I'm not a Republican and I don't have

516
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: to make that choice. I don't have to face that

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00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: moral choice. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

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00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Like if I was them, I wouldn't have been able

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00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: to vote for him. I wouldn't have been able to

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: stomach it. I resent being in this position. Yeah, I

521
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: don't know what I will do voting was we should

522
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: talk about that at the end um. But one of

523
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: the things that's been coming up is like comparing the

524
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: number of allegations against Trump to the ones against Biden,

525
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: because there's a lot fewhere for Biden. But it's I've

526
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: literally that I don't want to do that. I'm not

527
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: going to do I feel like, well, they're if they're

528
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: both rapists, vote for the one with the best policies.

529
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: Like unbelievable that we're having that conversation. I mean, it's

530
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: like when other candidates try to run against Bernie by

531
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: talking about how they only attempted to shoot President Reagan

532
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: while Bernie is actually killed. Go for the It's exactly

533
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: like that yeah, go for the real ship. Do not

534
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: vote for Senator Jim Imhoff, who I am alleging now

535
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: is the real shooter that attacked Ronald Reagan. That up, Jim,

536
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: you guys were mentioning. Uh, you guys were mentioning that

537
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: on somebody's timeline. They retroactively went and deleted all of

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00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: their support their tweets times up. There's a couple of

539
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: people who have done that, some of whom have been like, no,

540
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: my tweets auto delete after three months, which a lot

541
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: of people do. But then on a couple of those cases,

542
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: folks have been found like, well this tweet from four

543
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: years ago still like happened. Yeah, They're just just some

544
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: some of the people who seem to be doing this.

545
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: Whether or not it's it is autobly. Um. Simone Sanders

546
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: she was actually the press secretary for Bernie Sanders in sixteen. Um.

547
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: She's now an advisor for Joe Biden. Jill Filipovic. I

548
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: believe it is another one, um, And again it's just

549
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, we went through a period like one and

550
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: a half years ago, two years what it was two

551
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: years ago through and it was it nine years ago. Um,

552
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: with the whole Kavanaugh stuff, and uh, the argument about

553
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: like whether or not her accusation was credible, Uh, whether

554
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: or not we should believe her what like all all

555
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: the things that we're hearing now from people in the

556
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: mainstream media who are completely ignoring this. It is completely flipped,

557
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: um from what they were saying just a few just

558
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: a few short years ago. Yes, yes, and that's it's bad.

559
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: It's blatant too. It's so obviously what's going on. And

560
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,479
Speaker 1: maybe you get into this a little later, but like

561
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: with the whole, just the whole, the Biden of it

562
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: all in general, it seems like that like there is

563
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: a joke down at all. It's uh, there is a

564
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: lot of gas lighting I feel about and things about him,

565
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: problems people have had with him, literally like candidates who

566
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: now endorse him, things that they've said about him. All

567
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: of that is gone. Uh, we were not allowed to

568
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: mention any of that anymore. Well, it's very it's very first,

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00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: it's just our I mean, I understand the desire to

570
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: rally around your candidate and start doing I understand that

571
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: from one perspective, but it's also like, God, we want

572
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: better than this, and we want also well that's the

573
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: thing because Joe Biden is nobody's candidate. Everyone and every

574
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: one of these people would be like, well, no, he's

575
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: not my first choice or my second choice or my third.

576
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: He's nobody's first or second or third choice. Um, but

577
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: there's this sense that like, but yeah, now, one of

578
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: the things that makes this very frustrating is that. And

579
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: it's hard to phrase this in a way that doesn't

580
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: sound like I'm victim. Blame me because I'm not what

581
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm That's not what I'm getting at here. Because of

582
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: aspects of her personality and beliefs, terror read feels like

583
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: someone crafted in a lab to be the person the

584
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: Democratic establishment could most ease a ly try to discredit

585
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: for her allegations. Um, she's an outspoken Sanders supporter for

586
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: one thing, but really the biggest part and she was

587
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: pro Warren first. Um. But the thing that is really

588
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: drawing a lot of ire and that is being used

589
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: to sort of immediately kind of um deny the seriousness

590
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 1: of her allegations is what I would describe as an

591
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: outrageously shitty blog post that she wrote back into as

592
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: an eight team for medium dot com. And it is bad,

593
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: and her opinions in it are bad, and I'm going

594
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: to read you a relevant section. Now. I love Russia

595
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: with all my heart. I love the people, the history,

596
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: the culture, and even my attempts to learn the language.

597
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: I could not stand to watch the deception in xenophobia

598
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: that came from my own American government. It is so

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00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: sad and destructive to revile into their cultural country for

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: no reason but economic gain. President Putin scares the power

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00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: elite in America because he is a compassionate, caring and

602
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: visionary leader. President Putin has higher approval ratings in America

603
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: than the American president. President Putin is beloved by Russia

604
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: and he not going anywhere. Instead of being ensnared in

605
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: the recent political intrigues in America, trying hard to set

606
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: that trap, President Putin is keeping a calm focus on

607
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: his own country's development in future without America, the President Putin,

608
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: I say, keep your eyes to the beautiful future, and maybe,

609
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: just maybe America will come to see Russia as I

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00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: do with eyes of love. Ye man, horrible, horrible, horrible post.

611
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, I I really hate the knee jerk Russian

612
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: bought accusations or Russian but Jesus Christ, this is a Foundation.

613
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: But like I see where some of that is coming

614
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: out just because like, because of the Russian situation, there

615
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: is a I do see a lot of xenophobia about

616
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,479
Speaker 1: Russian citizens, um from a lot of like resistance type folk.

617
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: But man, everything else not great. But also let's say

618
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: you're like a Russian plant and operative uh uh accuse

619
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: the front runner of sexual assault when you worked in

620
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: their office. I don't think that that blog post would

621
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: be published by that person if they were trying to

622
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, this is not I know. I also

623
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: don't know that if a secret Russian agent, if planted

624
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: to take down Biden, would be publicly That's what I mean, Like,

625
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: they wouldn't. They wouldn't publish that article. They wouldn't have

626
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: done that, because that's the one point, unless they just

627
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: wanted to cause Yeah, I mean, so he would cause

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00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: the chaos. Sure, Yeah, so this doesn't feel like a

629
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 1: Russian agent to me. I would say the Russian government

630
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: is absolutely going to do their best to um boost

631
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: stories about this. Yeah, which doesn't mean that the information

632
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't get out there, just means that they have a

633
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: vested interest in everyone in America arguing and fighting as

634
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: much as possible. It doesn't mean there aren't things to

635
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: argue and to fight about. It's just that's what they do.

636
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: They don't in bed sleeper cells in nine to be

637
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: in a position next to Joe Biden so that they

638
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: can then have them flawlessly live a quiet life and

639
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: then come forward to disrupt an election after making only

640
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: one mistake, and that mistake being to really ridiculously bad blog.

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Speaker 1: And they're not playing that kind of long game. Also,

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Speaker 1: she has acknowledged, you know, that she grew up that

643
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Speaker 1: that that it was bad, But you know, she's like,

644
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Speaker 1: I'm I grew up in an anti imperialist household, very liberal.

645
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: She's immersed herself in Russian culture because she's writing a

646
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: book that's set there, all all sorts of stuff. Sure,

647
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: it was a bad post. It was a bad post.

648
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: It was a bad but also I know people who

649
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: are I know people who believe the kind of stuff

650
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: she believes, and I think they're all very frustrating. But

651
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: I would take it very seriously if any of them

652
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: came to me and said that they were sexually assaulted,

653
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: Because you have a right to believe frustrating dumb things

654
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: in this country. You also have a right to not

655
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: be sexually assaulted exactly. You know what else you have

656
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: a right to do. You have a right to remain

657
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: silent and listen to these ads. And you know what, Katie,

658
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that's the only real

659
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: right that anyone has to listen to advertise legally together everything,

660
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Speaker 1: don't you're back? How are we all feeling about this?

661
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: Fucking not great? Not feeling great about that? You know

662
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: what else? I'm not feeling great about our upcoming election

663
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, um, but one of it

664
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Speaker 1: is this matchup of Biden and Trump. I think it's

665
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: important to talk about where we're standing right now. We're

666
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: operating under the assumption that things continue and Biden gets

667
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: the nomination with maybe not maybe something. This world this

668
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: year is wild, anything could happen. Um. But you know

669
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Speaker 1: Trump's approval rating is up right now? Uh? Well is it?

670
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Speaker 1: It is of a bit he's a wartime president. Um.

671
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Speaker 1: And I've been looking into this a little bit. I

672
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: mean it seems like world leaders in general are getting

673
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: a bump because of the response around this. I mean,

674
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: not like Balsa Naro apparently, but in general, people are

675
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Speaker 1: getting a little bit of approval bump, and it's hard

676
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: to it's hard to exactly pinpoint why, Uh, there's so like, Okay,

677
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Speaker 1: it could be the fact that, you know, Trump really

678
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: underwhelms and the fact that he's doing literally anything at all.

679
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: My people might be like, well, he's doing a little better,

680
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're comparing to disapproval rating hasn't still

681
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: not gotten under fift So there is that bump, but

682
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: still like he's still not doing great. He's still not

683
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: doing great. But now the when you match up Biden

684
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: and Trump, the it's it's you know, depends on the poll,

685
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: but it's getting closer and closer. Like the gap between

686
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: people saying that they would vote for Biden over Trump

687
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: is diminishing. It's just diminishing. And it's just something to

688
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: be paying attention to as we're looking at this um,

689
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: especially since we're going to be comparing them, we're comparing

690
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: them inherently throughout this episode right now. Yeah, and I

691
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: want to I think one thing that is important to

692
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: keep in mind when we look at the I almost

693
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: think there's not going to be much of a point

694
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Speaker 1: in paying attention to any numbers for the next three

695
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: to four weeks. UM, because one of the realities of

696
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: the of our moment is that COVID nineteen is moving

697
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: a lot faster than polling does. So the reason I

698
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: was shocked when you said that his his approval was up.

699
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: I obviously heard those stories, but I came across the

700
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: story last week on the so late last week UM,

701
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: which was comparing polls from March, UH two posts from

702
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Speaker 1: March and Marche. And in March Marche, according to the

703
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: Hill Harris x poll, UM, fifty six percent of Americans

704
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: approved of the president's handling of COVID nineteen, but in March,

705
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: just three days later, UM, only fifty of registered voters

706
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: said they approved of the presidents. Look, I'm not saying

707
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: put undue amount of stock in any polling, and you're right,

708
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: it's absolutely right. This is moving so fast and it's

709
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: really hard to track. But I think it goes with

710
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Speaker 1: that saying he's labeled himself a wartime president. He is

711
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Speaker 1: a wartime president. There is historical context for why that

712
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: behooves him to have a crisis. UM. And UH, there

713
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Speaker 1: has been some uptick in his polling and maybe that's

714
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Speaker 1: not going to last very long. UH. It's just something

715
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: to to keep in mind, but not too much stock

716
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Speaker 1: in because, like you said, things are changing, Like I

717
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: even said a minute ago, who knows what's going to

718
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: happen in the next month or two two months. Yeah,

719
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: there's now data from ipsos UM on how much Americans

720
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Speaker 1: are trusting the information the President's telling them. Um of respondents,

721
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: including of Republicans, say it's not true that anyone who

722
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Speaker 1: wants to get tested can get tested. Um only of

723
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Speaker 1: the public and the Republicans said that they believed a

724
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Speaker 1: vaccine would be ready soon. Um of respondents, including a

725
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: plurality of Republicans, said that it was false that the

726
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Speaker 1: virus would go away on its own in warm weather,

727
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: and of respondents said that they thought COVID nineteen was

728
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: deadlier than the flu. So um. That is separate though,

729
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: from whether or not people want to vote for Donald

730
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Speaker 1: Trump again. Yes, yes, absolutely, And it's just it's just

731
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: something that I'm I am keeping in mind. I urge

732
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: people to not freak out about or just yet anyway, um,

733
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Speaker 1: except that vote for Bernie if you still can. Um. Uh.

734
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Speaker 1: The other thing I wanted to touch on as part

735
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Speaker 1: of why it's it's it's just this is nothing new

736
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: This is something that we've discussed a lot. But part

737
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Speaker 1: of why it's so hard to hold him to account

738
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Speaker 1: during this isn't that indeed the media. Earlier I'd said

739
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: that it's hard. Journalists inherently have their biases, but they

740
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Speaker 1: go out of their way to not seem like they

741
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: have a bias, you know. Instead of saying, like Trump

742
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: had a press conference and he did he said fifty

743
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: lies about coronavirus, they say, uh, you know, Trump had

744
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: a confusing presser, you know, or they say he makes

745
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: claims that obviously, which is I hate that and it's

746
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: should be fucking a league, especially right now. Fuck your objectivity. Yeah,

747
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: you know who I like to talk about when we

748
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: talk about journalistic objectivity is William Shier. Now, William Shier

749
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: was one of the great American reporters of the twentieth century.

750
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Speaker 1: He was in Berlin, UM. I forget which news agency,

751
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: but he was like an American reporter in Berlin for

752
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: basically like a huge chunk of the the Weimar era

753
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: and most of the rise of the Nazi Party to

754
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: power UM. And so he interviewed all of these hot,

755
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: top ranking Nazis and then when the war started, he

756
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: was back in the US and he started making propaganda

757
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: reels for the US government that informed people about realities

758
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: of the Nazi regime. And he wrote Rise and Fall

759
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: of the Third Reich, which is an utterly indispensable book

760
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: of the history of the rise of the Nazis, and

761
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: was a very good journalist who also didn't for a

762
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: second pretend that his job was to be to do

763
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Speaker 1: anything but condemned the Nazis. As Nazis, you can report

764
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: objectively and what are doing and also never leave anyone

765
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: in doubt that it is wrong to be a note

766
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: that these people are shit. And that's what we need

767
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: right now, not just your opinion pieces. I want the article,

768
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: the article that that is getting circulated that people are

769
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: going to for facts needs to be really clear. And

770
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm disappointed. Yeah, I am honestly for the

771
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: first time in this election, the allegations against by the

772
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: sexual assault allegations. I'm honestly not certain what I will

773
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: do as a result of that, because, um, I have

774
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: two things that I've held to his hard lines when

775
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: people ask like based on my my personal beliefs, which

776
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: are kind of much more in the anarchistic tradition, like

777
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: why I still think people should vote, And my same

778
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: argument is why I think people should I don't like

779
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: crystal meth, but I think people should understand the effects

780
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: it has on their health if they're going to do it. Um,

781
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: it's harm reduction. Yeah. I think about voting the same

782
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: way about doing dangerous drugs. It's a danger, it's a bad,

783
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: dangerous thing in a lot of cases to do to yourself. Um,

784
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: but doing it allows you to reduce the amount of harm.

785
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: So I think it's important. And I believe two things

786
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: since I kind of held my nose and voted for

787
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton in which is that, um, at least I'm

788
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: not voting for a rapist the wife of a rapist,

789
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: and that's not ideal. Yeah. And and also I am

790
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: voting for someone who, though I agree with her on

791
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: very little, meets a basic minimum amount of competence that

792
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't think she will botch an extinction level event

793
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: in the response to it, yeah, like a pandemic. And

794
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: those two things are at war right now because I

795
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: still regard like, regardless of whether or not Joe Biden

796
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: committed sexual assault, he would do a better job on

797
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: a mechanical level of dealing with the response to a pandemic,

798
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: which doesn't mean yeah, yes, actually might be better than

799
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Speaker 1: both of them, And yeah it is a they're very smart.

800
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Speaker 1: They are very smart, and a panda bear would have

801
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: started rolling out tests and fucking January. But yeah, um,

802
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: it's just I know, I hear your point. I I

803
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: strugg too, because that's what I was trying to say

804
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: intimating earlier is like, yeah, I I just don't want

805
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: to be put in that position. I don't want to

806
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: have to make that kind of a moral choice. On

807
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: the other hand, I look at you know, if a

808
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: handful more more than a handful. But like everybody that

809
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: didn't vote for Hillary Clinton because you know, X, Y

810
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: or Z or because they like percentagely, it's not because

811
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Speaker 1: people people didn't vote for her her because it's not Bernie.

812
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean some people did, but that's not a huge

813
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: moving factor. But like whatever reasons that people didn't vote

814
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: for her or just vote for anybody. Um, And then

815
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: you look at what's happening now and you're like, very yeah,

816
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: this is this is tough. You know, do I want Biden?

817
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't. Do I want four more years of Trump? Fuck? No,

818
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't know what I like. I

819
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: honestly don't know what I will do at this point

820
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: because I do take the allegations against Biden seriously, and

821
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can vote for someone who

822
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: did that. That said. Right now I'm looking at it,

823
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: it looks like President Trump had the Mike Man. Wait,

824
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Speaker 1: who's the my pillow guy? He is the guy one

825
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: of the few guys who running a company who kept

826
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: their ads after the he sells pillows on Fox News.

827
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Speaker 1: He is addressing the nation about the coronavirus epidemic. Everything, Like,

828
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Speaker 1: I I don't know what I will do, and I

829
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Speaker 1: I hope the audience can forgive if some of our

830
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: responses are like ulling this one over, y'all frustrated and

831
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: like all this kind of stuff we've been talking about

832
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: for men of I mean the media, but like the

833
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, it's so obvious. It's it's it's it's like

834
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Speaker 1: they're holding their nose and they're doing the same thing

835
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: that that happened. We're going to ignore all this stuff

836
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna pretend like it doesn't even exist with Trump,

837
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Speaker 1: And I don't want, I obviously wish with all of

838
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: my heart, and being that there was no pandemic. But

839
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Speaker 1: if there were a pandemic, I wish it had a

840
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: hit like three or four weeks earlier, just a few weeks,

841
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: just in the a little bit earlier in our primary season.

842
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that if that had happened, we would be

843
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: looking at a very different race. We can all hope

844
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: all sorts of things. I am not thrilled that right

845
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking, which rapist do I want to deal

846
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: with a natural disaster? Because yes, the rapist, I would

847
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: pick that, wor yeah, I you know what what what

848
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: the core of it is? I I don't know that

849
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: I want to contribute to the system that exactly uh

850
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: puts me with that choice. And I also know that

851
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: like by choosing not to, I am potentially making a

852
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: decision that would make life a lot more dangerous for

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Speaker 1: people in vulnerable situations, which is why I voted for

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. You know, um, because there are things that

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Speaker 1: are worse. One of the things people need to fucking consider,

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Speaker 1: which I I don't think can be said enough. But

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Speaker 1: like everyone's like, well, Obama bombed people too, They're not

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Speaker 1: really all that different civilian casualties as a result of

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Speaker 1: US air strikes jumped a hundred and six in Trump's

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Speaker 1: first year. He does everything but worse and more like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like there's a difference. Yeah where, Yeah exactly. Um, you

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Speaker 1: don't have the leve Obama to see that there is

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Speaker 1: a difference. And I'm not trying to I hope this

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Speaker 1: isn't coming across with us being like, so, this is

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Speaker 1: why you should vote Joe Biden. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'm going to vote for Joe Biden, but this is

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Speaker 1: what's going on in our head. Yeah, it's just another

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Speaker 1: another another thing on the pile of Yeah. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna end up. I'm going to end up voting

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Speaker 1: Vermin Supreme, I think and less. I don't know. You're right,

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Speaker 1: it's really hard. I do think. I still hold in

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Speaker 1: my mind that just having Trump and in charge obviously

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00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: puts so many people at risk, and um, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want that. And four more years of it

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00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: will unleasse untold horrors because he is you know, the

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Speaker 1: the safety safety will be off you know. Shame on

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Speaker 1: everybody for allowing this decision to be a thing that

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Speaker 1: voters have to deal with. Shame on the media, Shame

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00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: on the DNC. Shame on everyone who is gas lighting

880
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: and lying about all the stuff that everyone talked about

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Speaker 1: a year ago. I I'm gonna see what happens throughout

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00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 1: the rest of the primary. I'm gonna see what more

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Speaker 1: information we have. I'm going to see who he picks

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Speaker 1: as his running mate. Um. I'm not given up quite

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00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: hope on Bernie, although it's really hard to see a path. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I can make much in the way

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Speaker 1: of political conclusions until we are past the worst of

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Speaker 1: this pandemic. Um. And I don't want to leave like

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Speaker 1: I think it is important. I don't. I don't like

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00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: it when people pretend like they they have such a

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00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: clear understanding of what the right thing is to do.

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00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: I don't think that's clear. Um, there's a there's a

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00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: real strong moral argument for refusing to vote for Biden

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00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: because of what he did. There's also a real strong

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00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: argument that says, but what about all the additional people

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00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: who will die also? So I think I see it

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00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: a lot in a different form, which is that anyone

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00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: who criticizes Joe Biden US tons of people will swarm

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00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: them and say, well, are what are you going to

901
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: vote for him? Are you gonna vote for him? You're

902
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: gonna vote for him though? Uh and this sort of

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00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: like you're not never You're not going to like vote

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00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: for a third party or anything like that. And it's uh,

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00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating to not be able to criticize someone,

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00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: especially given these allegations and things like that. But the

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00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: idea of like why are you having that conversation now,

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00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: Like why are you like haranguing people and like bothering

909
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: them about their vote in like in November. It's March.

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00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: And these are the things like if anything, that people

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00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: asking that question should be considering what they're doing, Like

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Speaker 1: all these things that people are saying about Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: consider those instead of hopping on and being like, but

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Speaker 1: are you but you're gonna vote for him in like

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Speaker 1: seven months or whatever? Um. It's it's why it's wild

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Speaker 1: to like force that conversation when I understand I I

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Speaker 1: do completely agree with you about that, but I years talking.

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Speaker 1: I I sit here and I'm like, I do understand

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Speaker 1: people's anxiety. I do understand like some subset of those people.

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Speaker 1: For example, my mom, who's begged me. She voted for Bernie,

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Speaker 1: but she's begged me, please do what you can, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want. I can't have another four years of

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I know, I know what he's like. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, well, we'll get to that bridge

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Speaker 1: when we when we come to it, you know, but

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Speaker 1: like people that are desperate to end this nightmare and um,

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Speaker 1: and so I do understand the impetus, but I also

928
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Speaker 1: think people need to have some space and say like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're all coming to our opinions right now, we're to

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Speaker 1: conclusions and we want what's best for the country as well.

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Speaker 1: Uh and and and some people it might be hard.

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Speaker 1: I mean the same reason, like the whole conversation of

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Speaker 1: like Warren Bernie voters like. I mean, it's slightly different,

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Speaker 1: but it's like, like you know, I like, I I

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Speaker 1: do understand people needing to um, yeah, yeah, I totally

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Speaker 1: get that anxiety. Um. And I just think that, uh,

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Speaker 1: it's the conversation needs to be flipped in the other

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Speaker 1: direction because if people are saying all these things and

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Speaker 1: like making a lot of pretty like fair comparisons to

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Speaker 1: what happened, and if people are like but all the

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Speaker 1: it's the Bernie Brosho who lost the election in maybe

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Speaker 1: that should give you pause about what you're doing. In

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Speaker 1: regards to Joe Biden, Um, I don't know. Yeah, you know, Cody.

944
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I think the only thing we can do to to

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Speaker 1: lead everyone out of this awful episode is to provide

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Speaker 1: them with a little song and to help you out, Cody,

947
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: I I can freestyle the lyrics if you'd like. I got.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's up to you. You're the only talent here.

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Speaker 1: But we we got we gotta leave them with something.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should just like end the episode just a

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Speaker 1: hot no no, no no. We made a promise, alright,

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00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: and all of this stays in. Every bit of this

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00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: stays in. No say saying, oh are you gonna do

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Speaker 1: with Cutty for Joe? We might fail? Oh well sorry,

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Speaker 1: it kind of sucks. Thank you. I think we saved

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Speaker 1: everyone with it. I couldn't agree more. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you cut Um, and and thank you guys for listening

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Speaker 1: always and for all of your support. Uh. You can

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and hey man, come on man, hey check

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Speaker 1: get out and vote and you can everything so everything,

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Speaker 1: so dum man, it's got Again. I Tried Dan. Worst

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