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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George and

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Speaker 1: Ori with you. Stephen Schwartz is a distinguished consulting faculty

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Speaker 1: member of Sabrick University, a research associate of the Cognitive

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Speaker 1: Sciences Laboratory of the Laboratories for Fundamental Research. Columnists for

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Speaker 1: the journal Explorer, editor of a daily web publication called

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Speaker 1: the Schwartz Report dot net, both of which he covers

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Speaker 1: trends that are affecting the future of all of us.

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Speaker 1: For forty plus years, he has been studying the nature

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Speaker 1: of consciousness, particularly that aspect independent of space and time.

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Speaker 1: One of his books is called The Eight Laws of Change,

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Speaker 1: How to be an Agent of Personal and Social Transformation.

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Speaker 1: Another is called Awakening Stephen, Welcome back, my friend. How

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing very well, George, and thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for having me here. Me too. And you

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Speaker 1: are surviving the COVID situation? I trust Yes, I live

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Speaker 1: on an island in the middle of a forest, so

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of touching when nothing gets to you, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. What's new with you over the last year

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Speaker 1: or so? That we haven't spoken. Well. I'm doing a

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Speaker 1: lot of social outcome research. I've gotten very interested as

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Speaker 1: I about climate change and COVID what's going on, what

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Speaker 1: it's telling us about society. And I'm doing a large,

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred person project to look at the year twenty

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Speaker 1: sixty and I'll be finished by the end of this

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Speaker 1: year and maybe we talk again. But it's very interesting

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Speaker 1: I'm getting I did a project from nineteen seventy eight

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Speaker 1: to nineteen ninety one. I got four thousand people to

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Speaker 1: look at the year twenty fifty and everything they predicted

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Speaker 1: has either come to pass or is in the process. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I think, like I mean, things that I didn't believe

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Speaker 1: at the time, but they were. For instance, I thought

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Speaker 1: we were going to have a nuclear war. I just

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Speaker 1: left government, and they said to me things like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: there's not a nuclear war. And I said, well, then

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Speaker 1: what happens to the Cold War Soviet Union Nited States?

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Speaker 1: And they said to me, oh, well, the Soviet Union disappears.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. They were spot on. Yes, I mean,

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Speaker 1: but in nineteen seventy nine, who thought the Soviet Union

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Speaker 1: was going to disappear? Or they said to me? I said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what other things are we looking at? And

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Speaker 1: they said, well, they're going to be a series of pandemics.

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Speaker 1: The first one will be a blood disease that we

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Speaker 1: get from primates that crosses over in Africa and kills

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Speaker 1: millions of people. And I went to a friend of

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Speaker 1: Health at the time, and said, you know, do you

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Speaker 1: know anything about a blood disease it crosses over from

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Speaker 1: primates in Africa, it's going to kill millions of people.

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Speaker 1: And his aunts or was Stephen, whatever you're smoking quit

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Speaker 1: And of course AIDS showed up in nineteen eighty one

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Speaker 1: and it's killed thirty five million people a little did

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Speaker 1: that other guy know? Geez? Were these people were? You're testing?

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Speaker 1: People doing remote viewing? What were they doing to get okay?

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Speaker 1: I was doing remote viewing sessions with all these people

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Speaker 1: all over the world. I did this in Japan, the

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Speaker 1: Soviet Union, all over Europe, every almost every country is

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Speaker 1: no matter what country the remote viewers were in, they

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Speaker 1: all told me the same basic story. So these twenty

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Speaker 1: your results? I am doing it now. I have about

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for fifteen hundred people and I'm at about

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Speaker 1: thirteen fifty at this point, I'm going to quit collecting

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Speaker 1: end of the year. Well, if you give out some

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Speaker 1: two hundred people to sign up for, let me know

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Speaker 1: you'll get them tonight. Stephen. Oh, well, actually, okay, when

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Speaker 1: I will give you a URL excellent. Go do that

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Speaker 1: That's how can they get so accurate? Nlike these people

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Speaker 1: So time is not the limitation. It's still a factor.

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Speaker 1: what it does mean. Go ahead, well, nonlocal consciousness is

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Speaker 1: What have you learned now? I don't know what they

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Speaker 1: just gobsmacked them because his answer was, what I've learned

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Speaker 1: is that consciousness is causal and fundamental. Everything starts with consciousness.

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Speaker 1: You cannot get behind consciousness. Space time arises from consciousness,

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Speaker 1: through incarnation, but that there is a continuity of consciousness.

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Speaker 1: Consciousness exists before you were born, it continues when you're alive, obviously,

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Speaker 1: and it continues after corporeal death, after you die, So

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Speaker 1: that the materialist worldview is that consciousness is a result

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Speaker 1: the physicalist idea that that dead meet no consciousness. But

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Speaker 1: you know, George, I'm a data person. Yes you are

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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts. Yeah, I'm a nuts and bolts guy.

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Speaker 1: That's about four point three percent of the population. So

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Speaker 1: the reality is that across thousands of these studies, what

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Speaker 1: they show that not only when do people have come back.

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Speaker 1: Not you're not coming back, George and Steven are not

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Speaker 1: coming back, but that this eternal self, what the religion

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Speaker 1: what religion calls the soul, will periodically episodically manifest another

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Speaker 1: Ian Stevenson did called Biology and Reincarnation, he showed that

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Speaker 1: people come in with birthmarks and scar tissue that's based

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Speaker 1: they have obscure experiences. Tell you one other young again,

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Speaker 1: aspect of eternal consciousness, again what religion calls the soul.

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Speaker 1: We exist prior to incarnation, prior to birth, and then

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Speaker 1: we continue on afterwards. And again, as I said about

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Speaker 1: Max Plunk, when you start from the idea that consciousness

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Speaker 1: consciousness is not physiologically based entirely, and that we can

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Speaker 1: access this. There's a reason, for instance, why martial arts dojo's,

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Speaker 1: Tibetan lamissaries, Christian monasteries, Jewish calabalistic centers all teach meditation,

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Speaker 1: this is you get you must attain and sustain intention

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Speaker 1: focused awareness. As you look at remote viewing Stephen, and

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Speaker 1: the brain is based, and that the neuroanatomy is how

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Speaker 1: as humanity kept records, there has been an awareness that

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Speaker 1: there was an aspect of consciousness that you could that

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Speaker 1: anyone could make access to that was outside of space time.

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Speaker 1: That's where spiritual epiphanies occur. That you know that saints

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Speaker 1: have spiritual epiphanies. In fact, if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: every major enduring religion in the world across all history

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Speaker 1: Jesus is baptized by John and he awakens. He goes

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Speaker 1: into the desert to meditate. Muhammad goes into the sacred

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Speaker 1: Buddha goes to an ashram and learns how to meditate

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Speaker 1: and begins to meditate and he awakens. Joseph Smith, who

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Speaker 1: and awakens. They have experiences, you know that. Muhammad says

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Speaker 1: the angel Gabriel comes to him that experiences are different,

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Speaker 1: but they are all examples of non local consciousness. Listen

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