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Speaker 2: Will find out.
Speaker 1: On this podcast. My only real is that I only
Speaker 1: talk to people I want to talk to.
Speaker 3: So apparently that's you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You were doing that very funny thing, the garfunkeln Yeach thing.
Speaker 2: Which are you guys still doing that?
Speaker 4: We haven't been for a little bit. We're right now
Speaker 4: working on other projects, like our separate projects. But I
Speaker 4: am sure we'll get back to it. I feel like
Speaker 4: it'll be really interesting because now we're both moms, and
Speaker 4: I feel like that'll be a whole other turn in
Speaker 4: a cool way. Probably sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you.
Speaker 1: Grew up, you know, you grew into something else. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think we were just talking about this. If I
Speaker 1: have two boys, you have.
Speaker 3: One one boy. Yees four, he's four. That's lovely. That's
Speaker 3: actually a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's lovely because they're kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: better and pre school yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in preschool. He just had his first school play.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, it was so he was a bird.
Speaker 4: I was it was he? Yeah, I love I've really
Speaker 4: been having like I did not do great with the
Speaker 4: baby phase. I didn't realize this is there's just nothing
Speaker 4: to do other than try to like feed it is
Speaker 4: just a lot.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of work and nothing coming back in,
Speaker 2: no gargles.
Speaker 4: And once they start talking though, oh my gosh, I've
Speaker 4: been having like really like I love two, I love three.
Speaker 4: I've been having such a great time. Four is getting
Speaker 4: a little tricky because he's he's getting smarter, like, you know,
Speaker 4: not everything. He doesn't believe everything, so uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also they they but they still watched the
Speaker 1: same movie over and over again and stuff like you
Speaker 1: put him down on Ratty walk Away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my kid is he he doesn't sit long because
Speaker 4: then he wants to play whatever he's seeing, which is
Speaker 4: kind of cool, but it's like a lot of pretend
Speaker 4: of whatever we just watched.
Speaker 1: But do you know a lot of people, because you
Speaker 1: do a lot of animated movies, do you do you
Speaker 1: know a lot of you?
Speaker 2: Is he watching anything that you're in?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've showed him some Scooby Doo. I
Speaker 4: feel like maybe I should try that again now that
Speaker 4: he's a little bit older. But yeah, he'll know like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'll say, hey, that's me or that's my friend or
Speaker 4: you know, uh, but yeah, my friend. Claudia is a
Speaker 4: voice on Bluey and so that's been a very big deal.
Speaker 1: But no, I haven't been in the world of young
Speaker 1: kid yeah for a while.
Speaker 2: So blue is.
Speaker 4: That that's like the one, right, Like that's like everybody
Speaker 4: is talking about it, right, but it's for a good reason.
Speaker 4: It's actually a really really amazing showy Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, I don't know. I mean, here's the thing. Did
Speaker 1: you ever get into music for your kid?
Speaker 4: You mean like playing music or.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously you play music, but do you play kids
Speaker 1: music to your kid or growing up music?
Speaker 4: I play growing up music mostly choice, Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: even't I put out a kid's album which wasn't like,
Speaker 4: you know, the songs that I write that like come
Speaker 4: from me, like are just maybe very kid centered, even
Speaker 4: though I wouldn't like I'd say half the songs that
Speaker 4: on the album we're not written for children, but they
Speaker 4: just were, yes, yeah, and then the other half were
Speaker 4: written specifically. But but yeah, so I I you know,
Speaker 4: I play him. I have played him those songs and
Speaker 4: he played. I do a show at the Bob Baker
Speaker 4: Marionette Theater and mikey uh plays along. He plays the
Speaker 4: whole show, an hour of him. He doesn't actually play
Speaker 4: the guitar but he's got the guitar, but so yeah,
Speaker 4: so I guess that's kind of kids music that he
Speaker 4: does know. But I am you know, I just like
Speaker 4: to show him cool songs like you know, and he
Speaker 4: really is into like Broadway and stuff like well because
Speaker 4: of what I played. Well.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, though, what were you into when
Speaker 2: you were a kid?
Speaker 4: Broadway? Like big time and you know the Disney musicals
Speaker 4: of course, which I guess also kind of aligned with
Speaker 4: Broadway and Billy.
Speaker 2: Have you ever done Broadway?
Speaker 4: No? But I want to someday. That's my dream do Broadway? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Have you done it Broadway? No?
Speaker 1: I've been to Broadway, yeah, a couple of shows, but
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything.
Speaker 2: I did the West End in London, the Rocky Horror Show.
Speaker 4: Oh you did? Oh that's fun. How was it?
Speaker 1: You know, eight shows a week for a year, dancing
Speaker 1: in high heels. It's a it's a it's a job, Harvard,
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. What kind of Broadway shows do you like?
Speaker 1: Do you like the kind of the Wickeds and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: Is that your thing?
Speaker 4: I mean all of it. I love the big spectacles.
Speaker 4: I love the smaller you know, like small like you know,
Speaker 4: a play with three people. I love all of it.
Speaker 4: I'm such a nerd for all of it.
Speaker 1: Was that your thing when you were in school? Was
Speaker 1: you a theater nerd? Was that the thing?
Speaker 4: I've always been a theater nerd. I wasn't in a
Speaker 4: lot of shows. I didn't. I was really shy in school.
Speaker 4: The fact that I've become an actress is I think
Speaker 4: surprising to anybody that knew me before.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: You were in Jersey, right, I am from New Jersey
Speaker 4: and then grew up mostly in Pennsylvania, and then I
Speaker 4: went to a tiny school, like a little art school
Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania that was only a two year school. I
Speaker 4: thought I was going to be a toy designer, and
Speaker 4: so I was going to school.
Speaker 1: Was it a tiny school, as know, a little people
Speaker 1: are just a tightest school because you were quite small.
Speaker 4: And both things. No, it was like probably a thousand kids.
Speaker 4: It was really a small school in a very small town.
Speaker 4: But it had a great art program.
Speaker 2: What did you do then? Did you do performance art?
Speaker 4: No? I was doing fine art at the time.
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, So what were you painting?
Speaker 4: Mostly painting and getting into sculpture, and then through sculpture
Speaker 4: started making puppets. And I was really into Julie Taymore.
Speaker 4: You know, she did The Lion Can and I'd seen
Speaker 4: a show she started. Yeah, she said, she's done a
Speaker 4: bunch of movies, and I really got into the way
Speaker 4: she makes puppets. And I was trying to like do
Speaker 4: that on my own, kind of like learning from books
Speaker 4: and things, and uh. And then I thought, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: I do want to perform. That's like my secret wish,
Speaker 4: you know. But I didn't want to tell anyone. It
Speaker 4: felt very like I think I was embarrassed to say
Speaker 4: that I wanted to be an actor, you know.
Speaker 1: No, I understand that I felt the same way because
Speaker 1: I wasn't your Your family background was nothing like that.
Speaker 4: No. I mean, my my parents were exposed my brother
Speaker 4: and I to the arts a lot, and we were
Speaker 4: you know, we were in the school plays and things
Speaker 4: like that. And both my brother and I competed with
Speaker 4: classical piano, so that was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So here's what I'm thinking, Like classical piano, you still
Speaker 1: play piano.
Speaker 4: I do, but I lost I've lost the chops, but
Speaker 4: I still play it and I enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Classical piano and sculpting. Mm hmm that's both.
Speaker 1: They're both very specific people I've met in my life
Speaker 1: classical pianists and sculptors, and they're quite similar.
Speaker 4: Really, how so I feel like.
Speaker 2: I want to say this without being judgmental, but they
Speaker 2: can be quite difficult personalities.
Speaker 1: Interesting kind of emotionally it's tortured too much. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: maybe a little too much, but certainly shut down is
Speaker 1: the vibe that I've.
Speaker 2: Got over again. Interesting, you don't seem that way at all.
Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't say i'm either. I mean, I love,
Speaker 4: like I dabble and like now, I mean, the only
Speaker 4: thing I sculpt is like when I go to the beach,
Speaker 4: but I am kind of I was able to like
Speaker 4: take a block and make something out of it, and
Speaker 4: that was to me really fun. Yeah, and I love that.
Speaker 1: Was that is it Henry Muir who said to make
Speaker 1: a sculpture of a cop you got a big lump
Speaker 1: of marble.
Speaker 2: And just cut away all the bits that aren't cot.
Speaker 2: He was pretty good at that. Sculptures were kind of
Speaker 2: weird look at it.
Speaker 4: That's cool though.
Speaker 1: Did you study different artists in the sense that, like
Speaker 1: where were you drawn?
Speaker 2: Were you drawing it? Stuff? Like Andy Murror? You drawn
Speaker 2: abstract stuff.
Speaker 4: When you drawing, I was very much into just doing
Speaker 4: like realistic at that time, like you know, and and
Speaker 4: oil painting and like you know, just trying to make
Speaker 4: I was more in the real like trying to make
Speaker 4: it look as real as possible, and which is the
Speaker 4: opposite of what I make now. But it's just and
Speaker 4: But sometimes I think, oh, I should kind of go
Speaker 4: back to that, it would be fun, But I always
Speaker 4: just end up doing these more like cartoony. I don't
Speaker 4: know if it's a matter of the time I have
Speaker 4: to make things now, which is why you.
Speaker 2: Have a young child. So you're going to be working
Speaker 2: mostly in macaronio, yes for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I my time is limited, so
Speaker 4: I I go go go when I draw or paint
Speaker 4: and uh, and so the things I make are quicker,
Speaker 4: but I feel like it's really fun to just kind
Speaker 4: of So.
Speaker 2: How did it go from? Like what did your parents did?
Speaker 2: For eleven?
Speaker 4: My mom is a piano teacher, although I did not
Speaker 4: take lessons from my mom. I went to a very
Speaker 4: strict woman who she was from Germany. She was a
Speaker 4: wonderful lady, Missus Smith. I was very scared of Missus
Speaker 4: Smith's growing up, and she was just the most wonderful lady.
Speaker 4: But I and I owe so much to her. But
Speaker 4: I would get stomach aches before every lesson because I
Speaker 4: was like, I hope I did it right. I hope
Speaker 4: you did it right. My mom was teaching piano to
Speaker 4: pay for our lessons, basically, and so she would also
Speaker 4: sit with us during practice and you know where she'd
Speaker 4: be like cooking in the kitchen, going count out loud
Speaker 4: or you know, and that wasn't right. Do it again, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's an electrician, but my dad is very creative and
Speaker 4: he's just got a real creative I think he is
Speaker 4: an artist, there's no doubt, but he so I think,
Speaker 4: you know, we were always like doing very creative things
Speaker 4: around the house and he would make you know, he
Speaker 4: would make toys with us, which I guess maybe partly
Speaker 4: why I wanted to do toy design.
Speaker 1: But you know, is that what you finished when you
Speaker 1: were doing our school? Did you finishing toy design?
Speaker 4: Kind of railed I was gonna go to f I
Speaker 4: T in New York, which at the time was the
Speaker 4: only toy design program in the country.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4: Oh, the fashion, the Fashion Institute. Yeah, sorry, and uh,
Speaker 4: and then but I was very shy, and I went
Speaker 4: and looked at the school and I just was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm ready to go to New
Speaker 4: York City, even though I grew up ninety minutes from there.
Speaker 4: I was just like, I don't know. And then I
Speaker 4: was putting myself through college, which is, you know, very expensive.
Speaker 2: Did you have a job.
Speaker 4: I was small jobs here and there, and then a
Speaker 4: lot of financial aid and figuring it out. I never
Speaker 4: did that. I'm not that coordinated. I felt like, I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd be the guy. I guess
Speaker 4: I could wait tables. I was always I always taught.
Speaker 4: I taught piano myself to make money, or baby sat
Speaker 4: aton and I taught art also to a little.
Speaker 1: Kids, babysat and you still went ahead and had a baby.
Speaker 4: Anything like the amount of time from babysitting to actually
Speaker 4: it was a good gap. But yeah, I just kind
Speaker 4: of I put myself through school. I wasn't sure if
Speaker 4: f I t going to New York was the right move.
Speaker 4: So I went to Hawaii and I lived with my
Speaker 4: aunt and uncle for three months. And what did you do?
Speaker 4: I I didn't. I'm very I was very good. I
Speaker 4: don't know what good means. I mean now like whatever,
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't do I don't smoke only because
Speaker 4: I'm crazy on MARYL I don't do well.
Speaker 1: No, it's not that old the drugs, but marijuana was
Speaker 1: the one that actually had the worst effect on me.
Speaker 4: I'm not good on it. Yeah, I ate it. I
Speaker 4: don't like it either. I like I like mushrooms, but
Speaker 4: I've only done a few. I was micro dosing mushrooms.
Speaker 4: Here I'm getting sidetracked.
Speaker 1: But no, no, that's quite interesting because I want you
Speaker 1: to tell me what micro dosing is because I don't understand.
Speaker 4: I don't really understand it either. I had really bad
Speaker 4: postpartum depression after having it said really that and it
Speaker 4: was it was also during lockdown during the pandemic, so
Speaker 4: it was kind of extra looking back, I don't know what,
Speaker 4: you know, where there was probably both the depression from
Speaker 4: you know, having.
Speaker 1: What does it feel like postpartum depression? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that it's it's a real problem for a
Speaker 1: lot of women, and it's not really talked about much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is.
Speaker 4: A little more now, but it is more and more.
Speaker 4: But I think I have this theory that it's such
Speaker 4: a terrible thing to go through that when you're out
Speaker 4: of it, it's almost like I don't even think.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was talking to a friend of mine who's a playwright,
Speaker 4: and she she had it as well, and I was like,
Speaker 4: when I was in it, I was like, Oh, I
Speaker 4: want to make art about this, or I want to
Speaker 4: make a book about this, or maybe a book of
Speaker 4: cartoons about this or something. But then the minute I
Speaker 4: felt good again, I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: think about it. And I think that has that happens
Speaker 4: to people like where it's like, I mean, there are
Speaker 4: some amazing books about it, thankful, but.
Speaker 1: What form does it take though, because like I've heard
Speaker 1: stories like women like have thoughts about.
Speaker 2: Heart and their baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird and shameful thought to cope with and stuff.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 4: I mean yeah? And I think a lot of times
Speaker 4: I understand I feel like those horrible news stories we
Speaker 4: read about, you know, bad things happening. I can go
Speaker 4: I now see like, oh that woman was dealing with
Speaker 4: postpart Like sure, I was very fortunate that I was
Speaker 4: not in you know I didn't want to. Well, this
Speaker 4: was the thing I went to. I knew something was
Speaker 4: wrong because I just couldn't stop crying, like just deep sadness.
Speaker 4: And I said to my doctor, I need I need help.
Speaker 4: And and so I went to UH specialist that specialized
Speaker 4: in postpartum. She asked me all these questions and uh
Speaker 4: and then she said I. She said, oh, do you
Speaker 4: want to harm your baby? I said, no, that is
Speaker 4: not something in my mind. I'm just very deeply, deeply
Speaker 4: sad like everything. Like I was washing bottles on the
Speaker 4: sink and I was crying because they were drowning, like
Speaker 4: like it was just irrational thoughts. Yeah, and so and
Speaker 4: she said, oh, no, you just have the baby blues.
Speaker 4: It'll go away. And I was I remember thinking in
Speaker 4: my gut like no, yeah. I remember thinking that's not right,
Speaker 4: that isn't the right thing. But I was also so like,
Speaker 4: you're kind of just like down, you know, like I
Speaker 4: kind of like, oh okay. So I walked out of
Speaker 4: there with just that advice, which was not anything, and
Speaker 4: then we went into lockdown with the pandemic two days later.
Speaker 4: And so I never I should have sought out help
Speaker 4: through you know, something online or something. But I was
Speaker 4: just it was so much happening at once, you know,
Speaker 4: the world, so it was odd. It was bad timing,
Speaker 4: but I as far as me getting the right help
Speaker 4: and being able to get out of it.
Speaker 2: So what I did you get out of it?
Speaker 4: I did brain spotting, which is that, and that was
Speaker 4: over zoom because of the pandemic, and it took me
Speaker 4: a year, over a year to get myself to get help.
Speaker 4: But then it's where you look. It's it's similar to E. M.
Speaker 4: D R, which which is more but it's something it
Speaker 4: has something to do with rewiring the brain. But it's
Speaker 4: all visual. And so I'd be like looking at the
Speaker 4: wall and listening to these this music and headphones, and
Speaker 4: then the therapist over zoom would say, Okay, now I
Speaker 4: want you to think about this, think through this. Now,
Speaker 4: put your eyes a little to the left. And I
Speaker 4: don't know how. It sounds like magic or something, but
Speaker 4: somehow by looking at spots on the wall and listening
Speaker 4: to this thing and walking through my thoughts, somehow it
Speaker 4: rewired the kind of traumatic experiences that I was had
Speaker 4: dealt with, you know, with having babe. It was a
Speaker 4: traumatic birth. All these things and so I kind of
Speaker 4: walked through all the bad stuff. And I remember the
Speaker 4: therapist saying that if if you do it right, and
Speaker 4: it really like if you get it, you know, if
Speaker 4: you take to it, it'll be like six sessions and
Speaker 4: then you'll feel good. And it was. It was six
Speaker 4: and maybe her saying that as part of it, but
Speaker 4: it really was six sessions. It was so helpful. And
Speaker 4: that and then I started microdosing mushrooms and I.
Speaker 1: Can't quite what is a microds of mushrooms because for me,
Speaker 1: the only thing I took mushrooms was like.
Speaker 2: In a pub.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I bought them from a guy that looked
Speaker 1: like Charles Manson, and that's probably not.
Speaker 4: My Yeah, No, I mean it's it's such a small amount,
Speaker 4: and I feel like it's the thing that everybody's doing
Speaker 4: these days, but that you don't get high, you don't
Speaker 4: even really feel, you don't feel it. It's just a
Speaker 4: it's just each day. I would do it. I do
Speaker 4: a tiny dose every three days, and for some reason
Speaker 4: it kind of works as a like depression or something. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and uh, and so I did that for a few months,
Speaker 4: and that I think that coupled with the brain spotting
Speaker 4: really kind of lifted me out of whatever was dealing.
Speaker 2: Had you ever done therapy before that?
Speaker 1: Had you ever experienced like because I look the reason
Speaker 1: I bring up, I've done all of that, and I
Speaker 1: know a lot.
Speaker 2: Of performers and fight most people I know are performers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it feels like that it's quite common for
Speaker 1: folks like us to get kind of trapped and dark
Speaker 1: alleyways a little bit in your head.
Speaker 2: Did you get it before the baby?
Speaker 4: I mean, I think even as far as depression goes,
Speaker 4: or I've been very lucky. I've gone to therapy, you know,
Speaker 4: throughout the years here and there with different people. It's
Speaker 4: almost like dating, like trying to find the right person
Speaker 4: that understand yeahship and definitely, So I think I was
Speaker 4: getting better at going like I don't know that this
Speaker 4: person's for me, and then finding the right person for
Speaker 4: a while, or you know, when I made the switch
Speaker 4: once I met the woman who was going to help
Speaker 4: me with the postpartum that I've stuck with her. But
Speaker 4: but I feel like, yeah, I don't know, I feel
Speaker 4: overall I'm very fortunate. I found that I usually am
Speaker 4: a pretty uperson. So I think that's why when that
Speaker 4: took me down, and I had I've had moments, of course,
Speaker 4: like in any person. But yeah, but that was like
Speaker 4: a dark, dark place to go. But but then you know, luckily,
Speaker 4: I think truly it is weird to say, but mushrooms
Speaker 4: helped a lot.
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Speaker 1: Say you out there, you know what, People take drugs
Speaker 1: because they makes them feel better. Yeah, and I sometimes
Speaker 1: wonder if we don't and the way to and the
Speaker 1: desire to save people from the terrible dangers that you
Speaker 1: forget to go. Well, they take them because they're not
Speaker 1: feeling good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I I have.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine right now who I'm trying to
Speaker 1: talk to her about his alcohol intake. And he said,
Speaker 1: I realized I was self medicating with alcohol. I said, well,
Speaker 1: if alcohol is the medicine, what do you think the
Speaker 1: illness says, because there's an illness called alcoholism, that alcohol
Speaker 1: is kind of the medicine for alcoholism.
Speaker 4: But it kills you yep.
Speaker 1: You know, so there's another there's other medicines for it.
Speaker 1: I just wonder if it's kind of like it's a
Speaker 1: funny thing, the old the old brain, especially if you
Speaker 1: go through a huge physical.
Speaker 2: Trauma like having a baby.
Speaker 1: And you said, like the baby was it wasn't an
Speaker 1: easy time either, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was. It was an emergency sea section, and the
Speaker 4: minute he was born, his lung got torn. I think
Speaker 4: it was a mistake on the and looking back, it's
Speaker 4: so hard to know exactly what happened. But because of
Speaker 4: the sea section, they needed to get the goo out
Speaker 4: of like if if you know, and so when they
Speaker 4: did that, I think from what I was told, they
Speaker 4: did too hard you know, the goo, yeah, the medical
Speaker 4: So when they did that, they tore his lung and
Speaker 4: so he ended up in the nick you and thankfully
Speaker 4: it all worked out and it healed itself, but they
Speaker 4: were talking to us about surgery, you know, in the
Speaker 4: scheme of things. He was there for four days. It
Speaker 4: wasn't you know, but it was still traumatic and so
Speaker 4: there was that you know, that beginning that was just
Speaker 4: so kind of rough, you know, rough start. But anyway,
Speaker 4: I yeah, so I therapy was very, very help I'm
Speaker 4: pro therapy. I think anybody talking to somebody that has
Speaker 4: no attachment to the people in your life is like
Speaker 4: super helpful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I never really understood why people
Speaker 2: feel threatened by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you should talk to your priest and you go,
Speaker 1: well therapy. Do you have a religious faith? Is there
Speaker 1: something that you or anything like that?
Speaker 4: You know. I feel like I'm a spiritual person. I'm
Speaker 4: very open to anything, and I love like I I
Speaker 4: grew up like Catholic light, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Any turns into Jesus, but.
Speaker 4: It's just like Christmas and Easter Catholic Like, okay, we'll go.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I did. I did my like I did my communion
Speaker 4: and then I came around for the confirmation and I
Speaker 4: was like I'm not into this and my parents. That's cool.
Speaker 4: But but there's parts of it, like I like the music.
Speaker 4: I love the music in church, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, ceremony is great. Yeah, that's another way of
Speaker 1: bringing people in. That's what you want, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like there's there's little bits of things that
Speaker 4: I think I can take from different religions and be like,
Speaker 4: oh that's cool, Like I yeah, I've dabbled in Nietzsure
Speaker 4: and Buddhism as well, and I feel like that's been
Speaker 4: really you know, whenever I actually go and stick with
Speaker 4: it for a while, it's pretty amazing talk to.
Speaker 2: Me about that, because I haven't been much about that.
Speaker 4: To be honest. It's like I feel like I've sort
Speaker 4: of done my own thing for a while. Like I
Speaker 4: used to babysit for this family who was very into it,
Speaker 4: and they would have meetings at their house and I
Speaker 4: would just go and then I just Buddhist.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what Buddhist meeting would do. I
Speaker 1: mean just like meditate, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well kind of you go around and talk about what
Speaker 4: you're chanting for or how your week's going. And it
Speaker 4: was a small little group and then everyone would chant
Speaker 4: for like an hour. And at first I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I don't know that that, like I just moved here.
Speaker 4: I was like, that feels very like California in LA
Speaker 4: or something. And then I started to do it and
Speaker 4: I loved it, and it was great and very helpful
Speaker 4: at a time when I was like, you know, twenty
Speaker 4: four and trying to figure out my life.
Speaker 2: Is that when you age, you came here.
Speaker 4: I moved out here when I was twenty one, and
Speaker 4: then I graduated two years later. If you had met
Speaker 4: me at twenty one, you would have thought I was fourteen.
Speaker 4: I looked so little. I hadn't I was like I
Speaker 4: had never dated. I was like, didn't know how to
Speaker 4: drive on a freeway. I was and were you safe?
Speaker 2: But who was looking after you?
Speaker 4: I was living in a hotel near the airport, but
Speaker 4: it was with all the transfer students. They then they
Speaker 4: took all that. I went to Loyal and Marymount University.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so didn't go to learn how to be
Speaker 4: a toy designer. I decided to go to Loyal and
Speaker 4: marry Mount instead. And that's when I was living in
Speaker 4: the hotel, which was super fun, and I didn't have
Speaker 4: a car, at a skateboard. It was like just if
Speaker 4: you met me, I would have thought it was very little.
Speaker 4: So then I graduated, very lost, trying to figure out
Speaker 4: how to make money, kind of wanted to do acting,
Speaker 4: not sure how to get into it. And then I
Speaker 4: start chanting with this family and it was it brought good.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it was just very nice and it
Speaker 4: felt like centering. No, but I've been wanting to get
Speaker 4: back to it. So who knows, maybe I'll starting Yeah, yeah, righty.
Speaker 2: To chat.
Speaker 1: I always got a little embarrassed with that kind of
Speaker 1: thing as well, when like if you're in a yoga
Speaker 1: class or something, when they start doing things, I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, knock it off, i gotta go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that feeling. Yeah, I kind of stopped
Speaker 4: going to the meetings for that. Say. I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'll just do my own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't mind being quiet. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: like if everybody's quiet. Have you ever do you know
Speaker 2: much about the Quakers?
Speaker 4: No, tell me you know. The Quakers I'm quite interested in.
Speaker 1: I don't know an awful lot about it, but I'm
Speaker 1: beginning to kind of sniff around it a little bit,
Speaker 1: just because I'm fascinated by all these things.
Speaker 2: I don't have a religious affiliation.
Speaker 1: But I but the Quaker thing kind of interests me
Speaker 1: because they have meetings like AA meetings and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but they you can just go to a Quaker meeting
Speaker 1: and not say anything, and it's for an hour or something,
Speaker 1: and if nobody says it and that's it, you'll just
Speaker 1: sit quietly in the circle. Then I feel like there
Speaker 1: might be a lot of information in that. Somehow it
Speaker 1: feels cool to me somehow, And I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you have to have
Speaker 1: words for it. So right now, if you ask me
Speaker 1: right now, what are you'd say? I'm thinking about becoming
Speaker 1: a quake for a while. But your Oats, your Oats
Speaker 1: and Garfunkel. Yeah, the the idea of Garfunkel and Oates
Speaker 1: was like taking the two secondary people from Simon Garfunkel
Speaker 1: and Hall of Oates.
Speaker 4: Right then we became great friends with John Oates. In fact,
Speaker 4: I love him, Yeah, pretty crazy after fifty years or
Speaker 4: a long time. Yeah, which it's kind of hard to
Speaker 4: imagine because.
Speaker 2: What's even the point.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't really I have no idea,
Speaker 4: but I do know John. I love John. He's such
Speaker 4: a wonderful guy. He is a great, great guy, and
Speaker 4: he's been always so supportive of us. You know, we
Speaker 4: started Garfunkler Notes, and very soon after this is my
Speaker 4: Space days. He he wrote us on MySpace message and
Speaker 4: he said, you owe me a beer for using my name,
Speaker 4: so when I come to your next show, you know,
Speaker 4: And then we were like what, So we got so excited,
Speaker 4: and then Ricky and I ended up opening for him
Speaker 4: when he was doing some solo stuff and Agora Hills.
Speaker 4: It was so fun.
Speaker 2: So he is when he's Oats? Does he just go
Speaker 2: out as Oats?
Speaker 4: Yeah? He played a couple of hollow songs, but he
Speaker 4: also did a lot of his solo I.
Speaker 1: Think it must be this is a thing because you've
Speaker 1: been in a double aight. I've never been in a
Speaker 1: double act. It's a weird kind of relationship to be in.
Speaker 4: I think it's like a marriage. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of different people who have
Speaker 1: been in them, and sometimes it's not so much fun
Speaker 1: and it goes through I mean, are you guys friends?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh you we're definitely friends. And I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel like that that those touring years that we
Speaker 4: had like bonded us for friends. And we also made
Speaker 4: a TV show. It was only one season, but I've
Speaker 4: had so.
Speaker 2: Many TV shows.
Speaker 4: Something that you know that would maybe like tear you
Speaker 4: apart in some way. No, it made us so together,
Speaker 4: like we we you know, we have so much life
Speaker 4: experience together.
Speaker 2: I feel like you come together. What did you mean
Speaker 2: we met.
Speaker 4: Just through mutual friends? We were both going to acting
Speaker 4: class at Leslie Khan at the time. This is like
Speaker 4: early maybe like two thousand and four, two thousand and five,
Speaker 4: and I knew you know when you meet someone and
Speaker 4: you like have this feeling almost like dating, where you're like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to know this person. When I first met Ricky,
Speaker 4: I had that feeling. I was like almost like a dizzy,
Speaker 4: like this person's going to be important in my life.
Speaker 4: Like I got really excited. And then we kind of
Speaker 4: met so I had known her a little bit through there,
Speaker 4: and then we had a mutual friend in Doug Benson, right,
Speaker 4: and so we both just ended up at Doug show
Speaker 4: and ended up hanging out afterward, and then that really solidified, like, oh,
Speaker 4: we're going to be friends. And so we were friends
Speaker 4: for about a year before before you started working. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then when we started, Ricky had an idea for
Speaker 4: a short and she wanted to turn it into a musical, right,
Speaker 4: and so we wrote a couple of songs and it
Speaker 4: just like you know, when something clicks, it's just right.
Speaker 4: We just had this like beginning that felt so exciting
Speaker 4: and like just kind of almost like not that it
Speaker 4: was out of our hands, but it felt like, Wow,
Speaker 4: we're doing something and things are happening, and no thing.
Speaker 2: Out of your hands is a good way.
Speaker 1: But it's there's that Youngian thing of like the collective
Speaker 1: unconscious is feeding wherever you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you kind of can't deny the universe when all
Speaker 4: of a sudden things are happening.
Speaker 1: It's like you get to hold the phone for a minute.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's kind of interesting. I love that idea
Speaker 1: in that environment when you were when you guys met,
Speaker 1: because I feel like your generation of performers is I've
Speaker 1: said this on the show before to people of your
Speaker 1: generation of performers, but you seem to be a little
Speaker 1: more collegiate than than.
Speaker 2: When I was coming through There was it was a
Speaker 2: little more kind of.
Speaker 1: Rivalry and back bite and kind of right, kind of
Speaker 1: a little more swimming with sharksy uh huh, Am I
Speaker 1: wrong about that To have an idealized version of four
Speaker 1: you guys think.
Speaker 4: I think like there was there was a really like
Speaker 4: it's almost not you can't really know about it till
Speaker 4: the moment has passed. But in that moment of like
Speaker 4: those early days of UCB and and all of these warmers,
Speaker 4: when I think about like you know who we were
Speaker 4: with and who and also who was so supportive of us.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think and that group is still still exists,
Speaker 4: but like the early days before, he's one of the
Speaker 4: people that brought everyone together. And yeah, Sarah Silverman was like,
Speaker 4: you know, so supportive. Like there were so many women
Speaker 4: that were like come on, like like cheering us on,
Speaker 4: which was very cool. And yeah we were, I mean
Speaker 4: we're definitely kind of a little bit in the right
Speaker 4: place at the right time, but also working our butts
Speaker 4: off at the same time. You know, when you're young,
Speaker 4: so much fun. Yeah, like there was nothing else I'd
Speaker 4: want to do, you know.
Speaker 2: I remember it was.
Speaker 1: It was it a party environment as well, were you
Speaker 1: guys like I mean, I guess you said, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: That's like the craziest. Like as far as uh, Ricky
Speaker 4: and I on the road, we'd always joke with people.
Speaker 4: People would always be like, hey, you want to come
Speaker 4: out afterward, and we'd like, we're going to place Solitaire
Speaker 4: on our iPads. Oh thank you. But there was something
Speaker 4: about conserving energy and you know, being good for the
Speaker 4: next day. But we're neither of us are are you know,
Speaker 4: like party years at all?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's quite interesting. I remember talking to Kristin.
Speaker 1: Channon with I love her, She's great, right, and she
Speaker 1: had and there's a Broadway Oh my god, loyalty for you,
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to her about it. She's I mean,
Speaker 1: she's very open and very lovely person, and she was
Speaker 1: talking about I was talking to her about her life
Speaker 1: off of the stage. Yeah, and she said something that's
Speaker 1: always kind of stuck with me, which was.
Speaker 2: What I do requires rest.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, So when I'm hanging around
Speaker 1: a hotel room like a slob all day before I
Speaker 1: go on stage, I'm like, what I do requires rest.
Speaker 1: I got to feel like I got some energy for this.
Speaker 1: I got to focus on it when I go and
Speaker 1: do it. Is that that's the kind of the way
Speaker 1: you felt on.
Speaker 4: Tour, definitely. I Mean there was so much just like
Speaker 4: like just chilling before the show because and in the
Speaker 4: early days when we were just kind of building our
Speaker 4: audience and we were doing two shows and I two
Speaker 4: shows Friday, two show Saturday, meet and greets in between,
Speaker 4: and then one show Sunday, and that's like by Monday.
Speaker 2: I still do that.
Speaker 4: You do. It's a lot. It kind of does require
Speaker 4: you to just stay in your hotel during the day
Speaker 4: and watch bad movies on TV.
Speaker 2: And what's bad about it? As well as you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just came from San Francisco and it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful weekend and I love San Francisco.
Speaker 2: It was sunny all day, but I.
Speaker 1: Was doing two shows at nighttime, and I was like,
Speaker 1: if I go out and do it, these shows are
Speaker 1: going to suck because I'm going to tie. Totally understand
Speaker 1: that I really want to go out, but I really
Speaker 1: better know. But of course I'm almost sixty two years old,
Speaker 1: so I really have to hold it down a little bit.
Speaker 4: But it's about protecting protecting yourself and your energy and
Speaker 4: also being there for your audience, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 4: never should you should never feel guilt about staying in
Speaker 4: your hotel.
Speaker 2: I won't, And coming from a Catholic, I think is
Speaker 2: you shouldn't feel good with guilt. Of course you are.
Speaker 1: It was programmed down airly. It's like you're a original Sino.
Speaker 1: Right away, before you even go here, you were in trouble.
Speaker 1: So what happened when did you spend a lot of
Speaker 1: that time? Was that when you met your husband or
Speaker 1: did you guys get together later on or.
Speaker 4: I met my husband well, I mean we were Ricky
Speaker 4: and I were touring for gosh, I don't know how
Speaker 4: many years. I don't even I couldn't even tell you,
Speaker 4: probably two thousand and nine to you know, eighteen. But
Speaker 4: I met my husband in twenty and seventeen. We just
Speaker 4: met on an app.
Speaker 1: It's a very like blind no tell me about it,
Speaker 1: because that all like I've been with my wife for
Speaker 1: you know, way before apps and even smartphones. I think
Speaker 1: almost the the but we that whole thing passed me by. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm very glad to say. Actually, I think I worry
Speaker 1: about that as I look at like my own son's
Speaker 1: growing up, and I think that's how people meet.
Speaker 4: It is how people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and did you have a little profile.
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, well I had never done the app thing.
Speaker 4: But then Rya came along, which is like the hot.
Speaker 1: That Riya's the like you've got to be good looking,
Speaker 1: a rich is that I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: It's I think it's I don't know how it works.
Speaker 4: Even it's changed a bit, but at the time it
Speaker 4: was like, oh, it's kind of this exclusive thing or
Speaker 4: if you're an actor, or you know, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're famous, you can go on and then it
Speaker 1: won't be nobody's going to like take your thing and
Speaker 1: embarrass you on Twitter.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think that was the idea. I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I felt like, okay, I could try this.
Speaker 4: That sounds exciting and I loved it. I had a
Speaker 4: great time on that up and then you know, and
Speaker 4: I would kind of like go on a bunch of
Speaker 4: dates and then kind of like take a break from
Speaker 4: it and go back. But I think like maybe a
Speaker 4: year into being on the app, I met Jake, my husband,
Speaker 4: and I was his first Riot date, and I remember saying,
Speaker 4: I am sorry, like if you want to keep dating,
Speaker 4: you should because there's like, you know, there's but but no,
Speaker 4: we got serious pretty quickly. We moved in together very
Speaker 4: quickly and got a dog, and you know, got married
Speaker 4: a year into a year to the day of meeting,
Speaker 4: we got married. But I was also, that's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it was I dated a lot, and it
Speaker 4: was you know, it's that cliche like, oh no, this
Speaker 4: feels right. And I also, you know, he he knew
Speaker 4: I wanted to have a kid, and so we're like, okay,
Speaker 4: like clock is to you know, the cliche, every cliche
Speaker 4: of that is.
Speaker 2: It's only biology.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not it's not I mean, was
Speaker 1: it that think Sarah silver And says it's rather lovely.
Speaker 1: We're all just chemical, sweetie. Yeah, I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: if your clock is taking it really is. It's a
Speaker 1: real thing. I mean it's like it sounds kind of sexist,
Speaker 1: but is it, you know, I mean what it's were
Speaker 1: you when your your baby was born.
Speaker 4: I was just a few months shy of forty, so
Speaker 4: so yeah.
Speaker 1: It's fine, but it's it's I guess in terms of
Speaker 1: human history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. I would have had a grand kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well I look at that now.
Speaker 1: I mean like here in la I was sixty two,
Speaker 1: I could still be having care yeah no, But in
Speaker 1: Scotland I'm grandpa.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a different thing.
Speaker 4: It is, and it's you know, I think our town
Speaker 4: is definitely you know, everybody delays there there having a
Speaker 4: family for their dreams, you know, I think, you know,
Speaker 4: so I among my friends, I was one of the
Speaker 4: first to have a kid of my friends, like my age,
Speaker 4: which you know was probably way late for the compared
Speaker 4: to the friends in my hometown.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, I get it.
Speaker 1: The thing is though about because the the real lesson
Speaker 1: I think of.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was thirty nine, so the same as
Speaker 2: as you when my first kid was born.
Speaker 1: When he came along, it didn't happen right away, but
Speaker 1: within six months I realized that the movie that I
Speaker 1: had been in up until that point was all about me. Yep,
Speaker 1: And suddenly there had been a change, and now I
Speaker 1: was an extra in the movie that I used to
Speaker 1: be starring at.
Speaker 3: It's really hard, isn't it. It's a change, especially if
Speaker 3: you have the look I don't. I think I'm cursed
Speaker 3: with too much of an ego.
Speaker 2: But it's bad. I mean, it's as bad as anybody has.
Speaker 1: Everyone is an ego, everyone, and I guess I was
Speaker 1: like I resisted it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was it for you?
Speaker 4: I think, well that and then the world stopped at
Speaker 4: the same time, so it was a weird. It was like, okay, well,
Speaker 4: nobody else was really doing anything right now except for
Speaker 4: Zoom shows. Like it was like I didn't feel like
Speaker 4: I was missing out. Oh god, doing comedy on Zoom.
Speaker 4: Oh you can't. It was the worst I was like,
Speaker 4: are they laughing? But then, but I think it's harder
Speaker 4: to have kids when you're older for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 4: But it's like I I got to experience like kind
Speaker 4: of being this free person doing whatever I wanted really
Speaker 4: like for a long time. I think people who have
Speaker 4: kids when they're younger, for good or bad, like it's
Speaker 4: just that's just part of their life then where it's
Speaker 4: like whoa, whoa. I was just totally free.
Speaker 1: No, it comes another way because like my wife is
Speaker 1: twenty years younger than me.
Speaker 4: So she was much younger when.
Speaker 2: She had right, she was much younger.
Speaker 1: And so what happened was that like now our youngest
Speaker 1: is thirteen, okay, and he's kind of like doing what
Speaker 1: teenage is doing, kind of pulling away a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean he's still you know, but he's pulling away
Speaker 1: a little bit. And now she's in this position of
Speaker 1: having been dealing with young because when she met, I
Speaker 1: had a When we met, I had a three year
Speaker 1: old okay, right, and so she I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: here's your minivan.
Speaker 2: You know you're in her your eye, I don't have
Speaker 2: time for this.
Speaker 4: She jumped in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like I'm in, let's go, and we're
Speaker 1: still together. And then ten years later we had another baby,
Speaker 1: and or nine years later we had another baby, and
Speaker 1: actually six years later we had another baby.
Speaker 2: But so she's been dealing with that for a long time.
Speaker 1: But now she's, you know, in her forties, and now
Speaker 1: she has some time.
Speaker 4: How is is it exciting?
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's like change, even if you
Speaker 1: want it, it's tricky, you know, I mean, it's tricky.
Speaker 2: It's a weird adjustment.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I feel like I'm still trying to
Speaker 4: figure out. I don't know if I ever will like
Speaker 4: how how to like schedule my day and then still
Speaker 4: be able to pick up my kid at school, Like
Speaker 4: it's just there. The time is so limited.
Speaker 2: It is. But and also just when you get used
Speaker 2: to it changes again.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah right.
Speaker 2: But was it changes?
Speaker 1: The law of God's mind and resistance to it is
Speaker 1: the source of all pain?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1: How do you do with professional ambition and the torment
Speaker 1: of that given if desire is suffering, do you do
Speaker 1: you feel fulfilled as an artist? Or is that because
Speaker 1: at least a very strange place for that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: It is, and I feel like, I mean, we're at
Speaker 4: a point right now where I think everyone's kind of
Speaker 4: in this uh like question mark. Yeah. And but I
Speaker 4: I love making. I feel like my fulfillment comes from
Speaker 4: even making something small. And then I get excited like
Speaker 4: if I if I write a song or if I
Speaker 4: paint a picture, Like I it doesn't take much to
Speaker 4: get me excited about creating. Like I just naturally create
Speaker 4: a lot of things right when I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: like I said, in that dark time, I wasn't making
Speaker 4: too much. But but like when I'm feeling good and
Speaker 4: I'm making things, like I just get I'm happy. You know,
Speaker 4: it's like it. And so I mean, there is the
Speaker 4: matter of paying the bills. You know, I'm someone who's
Speaker 4: you know, I've been fortunate that I can make a
Speaker 4: living as an actor. But it's not you know, I'm
Speaker 4: not it's a it's a day job. You know, I'm working.
Speaker 2: Ideas about what.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I remember going back home and running into a kid
Speaker 4: from high school and he was like, Hey, you must
Speaker 4: live in Malibu in a mansion, and I was like, no,
Speaker 4: but I live in an apartment in Hollywood and I
Speaker 4: have a roommate who lives.
Speaker 1: In Malibu and imagine people who work in the executive
Speaker 1: position exactly.
Speaker 4: But I but I will say, like, it's, uh, it's
Speaker 4: really for me. I you know, I just like creating things.
Speaker 4: And if it's you know, creating things with friends, making
Speaker 4: little cartoons, like that's where I'm not great at putting
Speaker 4: it out there in the world to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 4: how do I turn this little book I made into
Speaker 4: some you know, like I'm trying to be better at that, right,
Speaker 4: But the joy of making something is like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: I'm very fulfilled by it. So and I guess in
Speaker 4: a way that's lucky because I'm not you know, obviously,
Speaker 4: I love acting and I love you know, when I
Speaker 4: get a job and I get to be on set,
Speaker 4: it's so much fun. But you know those things sometimes
Speaker 4: can be months apart from each other for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. I mean, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I was just talking to skol Akerman about this because
Speaker 1: I asked him if he did any act. He said
Speaker 1: maybe once a year, yeah, And I said, I'm the same,
Speaker 1: And we both admit it's because it's about as much
Speaker 1: as we can.
Speaker 4: It's like it's a stranger time.
Speaker 1: It's weird though as well, because I can't acting in
Speaker 1: particular an odd one for me.
Speaker 2: I have a trouble. It's taking it serious.
Speaker 4: I feel like, and you were on a show like
Speaker 4: in the in the in my mind, what was such
Speaker 4: a great time for sitcoms and Drew Carey shows so great?
Speaker 2: And it was it was It was such fun to
Speaker 2: do it. Yeah, but it also.
Speaker 4: Was really boring, was it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And it was really fun.
Speaker 1: And if I remember it the way that you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I remember it's being really fun, but remember how
Speaker 1: it actually was. It was really boring a lot of
Speaker 1: the time. And because it's acting, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: waiting around.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is that.
Speaker 2: I wrote three four movies. Wow, I was doing that time.
Speaker 4: Because there's so much downtime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just in my trailer and there wasn't Instagram,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't film my day.
Speaker 4: With great But you actually wrote movies instead.
Speaker 1: That's another thing I was talking to Scott about that
Speaker 1: that I wonder how much art is not getting past
Speaker 1: the starting point because of social media.
Speaker 4: I think about that for myself all the time. Wow,
Speaker 4: what what I have made with the time I have scrolled?
Speaker 4: I don't like it's it's kind of messed up to
Speaker 4: even think about, like, you know, but I think everybody
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's that it is another drug. It's like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's time to fight the power.
Speaker 1: Though, I think I think that we have to stop
Speaker 1: saying that it's cool, and we have to stop saying that.
Speaker 1: We have to stop participating in our own demise.
Speaker 2: It's garbage. It's a fucking toilet wall, and we got
Speaker 2: to stop.
Speaker 1: We gotta fight the fucking is tiny a little more
Speaker 1: punk rock with that ship, Yeah, put it down and
Speaker 1: pick up a fucking analog something, a paint brush.
Speaker 4: I literally just bought three new paint brushes today, just like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited that I need you fighting the power
Speaker 1: fight back.
Speaker 4: I think, uh yeah, I try to do a thing
Speaker 4: where it's like the posting Ghost, where it's like I
Speaker 4: put it up, but then I don't look at it
Speaker 4: anything else. But of course I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not creatd I think that's kind of like saying,
Speaker 1: if you're an alcoholic, I'll just one, or I'll just
Speaker 1: have a shandy, or you know, I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's possible, not for me. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I've tried it and I can. And the thing is,
Speaker 1: I feel like the addictive nature of social media. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's late for you, but I think
Speaker 1: it might be the most addictive thing I've come across.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're fucking Instagram, man, I mean Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 4: with that thing.
Speaker 2: It will just suck ours out of your day.
Speaker 4: And and it's, uh, you know, you see people on
Speaker 4: the streets, it's like, uh, you know, we're all kind
Speaker 4: of just looking at this thing in our hand, and
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's it's and you know what else
Speaker 4: trips me out is then the ads that pop up.
Speaker 4: We're like, I was just talking about that. Does that happen?
Speaker 4: I don't know, are you?
Speaker 2: Are you a conspiracy theorist? A little bit?
Speaker 4: I mean I think they're fun. I don't. I don't
Speaker 4: know that. I like, yeah, I love to hear about
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know who's listening but to
Speaker 4: this No, no, I mean to our phones. But uh yeah.
Speaker 4: The weirdest one for me was that I was I
Speaker 4: juggling oranges by a pool and then a friend of mine,
Speaker 4: can I just tull you?
Speaker 1: Why were you juggingling oranges by a pool? Was it
Speaker 1: something to do with entertaining children.
Speaker 4: No, it was just that there was an orange tree
Speaker 4: by a pool. And then I was like, let me
Speaker 4: juggle as one would. And then and then maybe five
Speaker 4: minutes later, our friend goes, oh, my gosh, and he
Speaker 4: shows us an ad and it's a it was a
Speaker 4: bowl of oranges sitting by a pool, and we were like,
Speaker 4: what what is that? Like, maybe it's coincidence, but it's
Speaker 4: not coincidence. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It's not coincidence. I can't believe. That's just not Paul.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. But you know in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: in the book nineteen eighty four when they talk about
Speaker 1: the Tailey screens and they're everywhere.
Speaker 2: And I think, no, we just volunteered for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 1: They don't even have to put up screens to observe us.
Speaker 1: We we observe ourselves. We walk around tailing on each
Speaker 1: other all the time. I wonder about you. You escaped
Speaker 1: this just I think. But young performers coming up now,
Speaker 1: when they make mistakes, ever, it's forever.
Speaker 4: It is, and it's I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 4: feel for that, Like I feel like, yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: scary thing and putting, you know, putting thoughts out there,
Speaker 4: putting jokes out there, like the freedom of that feels
Speaker 4: it feels very scary, you know too much.
Speaker 1: It's like whenever there were good TV shows, I think
Speaker 1: they always had good producers and a good producer.
Speaker 2: Like I had a really good producer in late night.
Speaker 1: His name was Peter Lasally and he had like produced
Speaker 1: Johnny Carson for thirty four Wow, and he did David
Speaker 1: Letterman's transition over to CBS from NBC and all that,
Speaker 1: and so he was he was a great producer.
Speaker 2: And not for what. He didn't tell me what to do,
Speaker 2: You tell me what not to do.
Speaker 1: Like I would say, a joke has a great joke,
Speaker 1: and it's a great joke, but you want to do it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's going to be he said. He had this phrase
Speaker 1: which I loved. I think people on social media, me
Speaker 1: and b I don't post anything on generic bullshit, but.
Speaker 2: He would always say there's always another joke. There's always
Speaker 2: another joke.
Speaker 1: And I get angry at him because I didn't want
Speaker 1: that to be true.
Speaker 2: I wanted like to find that, you know, to be
Speaker 2: more kind.
Speaker 1: Of like I'm an artist. This is pure and you go, well,
Speaker 1: if you're an nurist then it's pure, then you probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't be working at CVS. Yeah, life, you know, you're
Speaker 1: it's like you're working on a TV show and it's
Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of strange. Do you do you
Speaker 1: censor yourself?
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know that. I I don't need to.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess the thing I feel like what
Speaker 4: we're my my place of making things, especially like you know,
Speaker 4: the things I'll post these days is like I'll I'll
Speaker 4: do a painting and I'll like speed it up, you know, right,
Speaker 4: it's you know, there's nothing that I don't think any
Speaker 4: one's gonna get mad about. Who knows, I mean people
Speaker 4: get mad about everything.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, it's all a matter of time.
Speaker 1: And say you post the picture like you do a
Speaker 1: painting of a boat. Yeah right, So here's a boat
Speaker 1: on the water and you speed up. It's a nice
Speaker 1: picture of a boat on the warrants, it's oil on cabins,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. But unbeknownst to you, a news story has
Speaker 1: just broke about a boat that sank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people were drowned, and now.
Speaker 1: Your boat picture goes up has nothing to do with you,
Speaker 1: but now you're an insensitive monster.
Speaker 4: Yeah that I mean I've seen versions of that yeah.
Speaker 1: Times all the time. Yeah, and it's like, but that's
Speaker 1: not what I was doing. But because the zeitgeist has
Speaker 1: it's a headless monster.
Speaker 2: It just yeah, it goes everywhere. So I'm trying to
Speaker 2: bring back your depression.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, oh no, I feel like I get Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna knock on my head and say, like, currently
Speaker 4: that stuff that you're talking about, like it's I don't
Speaker 4: think about it too much when posting, only because it
Speaker 4: feels like what I'm you know, like it's mostly my
Speaker 4: paintings or a song or something, you know, like a
Speaker 4: song about my dogs, you know, but it's I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's scary. I don't know what kind of dog
Speaker 4: do you have. I don't know she we we adopted her.
Speaker 4: I'm guessing a Maltese Ish thing. She's very sweet.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what the dogs I have, but
Speaker 1: it's only because we always have these dogs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 2: The German?
Speaker 4: Oh, those are very smart dogs.
Speaker 2: They're very smart, really smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you you can leave the house and say
Speaker 1: I'll be back about six.
Speaker 4: They'll understand.
Speaker 2: It's just something light. No carbs.
Speaker 4: You have more than one, I have two and a
Speaker 4: jack Russell. And do they how do they hang? Are
Speaker 4: they okay?
Speaker 1: The Germans march up and down and the jack Russell
Speaker 1: drinks too much. Stereotypes for where they're from.
Speaker 2: No, gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Shepherds are very kind of like it's time to go
Speaker 1: to bad. The kids are letting a little like nudge
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: Oh that's so sweet, they know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like, no, go over here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's time for sleeping. And the jack Russell's are like,
Speaker 1: let's all go fucking and they're kind of the pogues
Speaker 1: of the dog. Well, but I do love it is
Speaker 1: that you have a little dog. It's a little and
Speaker 1: a little kid.
Speaker 4: And a little kid, and the little kid could care
Speaker 4: less about the little dog. But the little dog wants
Speaker 4: to protect our kids, so like she's she's like his guardian.
Speaker 4: And even to your point of like really knowing what's up.
Speaker 4: Like when he was little, she she would come up
Speaker 4: and put her paw in my head and just wake
Speaker 4: me up in the middle of the night. And she
Speaker 4: would know that Mikey was hungry before I knew. Yeah,
Speaker 4: very in tune. A sweet sweet dog.
Speaker 2: It is your dog.
Speaker 4: We think maybe nine or ten at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, she's she's a Yeah. I could tell she
Speaker 4: she always wants to go with me wherever, but she
Speaker 4: just right in my bed. No, she has a type
Speaker 4: of dog that sits in a back like we fly
Speaker 4: with her and no one ever knows. I mean, obviously
Speaker 4: I still for her to fly, but like nobody would
Speaker 4: ever know. Yeah. Well, actually I just got that perk
Speaker 4: through jet Blue. So if I fly Jet Blue, no,
Speaker 4: I don't have to be that's a fun thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know because when I see people carrying their
Speaker 1: dogs on the plane, I'm like, I assume that the
Speaker 1: dog flies for free.
Speaker 4: It's usually like seventy five dollars or it doesn't get
Speaker 4: a seat. But I but I fly Jet Blue mostly,
Speaker 4: and so I got the dog perk. That's really exciting.
Speaker 2: The mint jet Blue where you get a single seat
Speaker 2: on your own.
Speaker 4: I used to, but now with with a kid, we
Speaker 4: just we do the three to three across in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the great thing about once you're a family,
Speaker 1: that you don't have to go first class or try.
Speaker 4: And you just have a ro you're in first But yes,
Speaker 4: mint Is I always loved Have you done the flight?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Every parent does that pass through this thing where your
Speaker 1: baby is the baby that's ruining the flight for everybody else.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna knock on. No, we know it happened.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, well maybe not.
Speaker 4: He's four, but he's always been a great wire, like
Speaker 4: we've been so lucky. Do you want to hear about
Speaker 4: a crazy flight that I just had though? Sure, this
Speaker 4: is a crazy story. We were visiting my aunt and uncle.
Speaker 4: They live in Hawaii, that's where I was back in
Speaker 4: the day, and they had never met Mikey, and so
Speaker 4: we went over. There was a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: and on our flight back, we'd maybe twenty minutes out
Speaker 4: of We just took off from ConA, heading to LA
Speaker 4: and I'm on my computer doing work, and my son
Speaker 4: is sleeping and Jake is sleeping, and then all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, I smell gas and I look to the
Speaker 4: person across the row from me, and he looks at
Speaker 4: me and he goes, do you smell that? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 4: you tell someone right away, and you hear people going,
Speaker 4: I smell proping, I smell propane, and so I wake
Speaker 4: up Jake and he hits the little like ding thing,
Speaker 4: you know, and we hear the flight attendants are in
Speaker 4: their seats for safety, and I'm right away, I'm but why,
Speaker 4: But it's because we had just taken off like twenty
Speaker 4: minutes prior. But they said, if it's an emergency, hit
Speaker 4: it again. So hits it again and you see their
Speaker 4: face as they come down the aisle and smell the
Speaker 4: same propane. And the flight attendant was like, you know,
Speaker 4: the good news is we're not that far from Hawaii
Speaker 4: if we need to turn around. And I'm thinking turn
Speaker 4: it around, like this can't be right, like something, and
Speaker 4: I'm panicking, and I'm looking at my son, who's just
Speaker 4: so sweet and sleeping, and I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: like we're over the ocean. What's going to happen? And
Speaker 4: then I see she rushes to the phone to talk
Speaker 4: to the pilot, and then she comes back and says,
Speaker 4: everything's looking good on there end. If the smell doesn't
Speaker 4: dissipate in five minutes, we'll reassess. And I am freaking out,
Speaker 4: And then probably four minutes into it, We're all kind
Speaker 4: of everyone's quiet and freaking out. But then it's like, wait,
Speaker 4: the smell is going away. And then the pilot gets
Speaker 4: on the speaker and says, for everyone who is concerned
Speaker 4: about the smell of propane, it was a fruit. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, there is no way that was a fruit.
Speaker 4: By the way, we had to go through two different
Speaker 4: fruit screenings.
Speaker 2: So of course, no way it was the fruit.
Speaker 4: Turns out it was a fruit called a durian. Did
Speaker 4: you know somebody so these I looked it up. I
Speaker 4: felt less crazy once I looked it up. It's caused
Speaker 4: other flights to be delayed in things because it can
Speaker 4: smell like propane. It can smell like a lot of
Speaker 4: bad things. But it's illegal in some countries because it
Speaker 4: smells so bad. And somebody got their fruit through two
Speaker 4: fruit screenings and decided it was time to eat a
Speaker 4: durian while on our flight.
Speaker 1: And are the people that wear short but bringing on
Speaker 1: that that's a rage.
Speaker 4: It was so wild. I mean, I did feel a
Speaker 4: little crazy because I went through so many emotions within
Speaker 4: those you know, eight minutes, but it was it was
Speaker 4: really scary, And it turns out it was a fruit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well all's well, that ends well yeah, I guess so.
Speaker 2: It's been lovely talking to.
Speaker 4: You, so much fun to talk to you. I feel
Speaker 4: like we just kind of wandered around, but it was
Speaker 4: really fun.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me lovely, Thanks for being here.