WEBVTT - #389 Guest Host Maggie Freleng with Quincy Cross

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<v Speaker 1>On the morning of August first, two thousand, a woman's

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<v Speaker 1>partially burned and decomposing body was found behind a middle

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<v Speaker 1>school in Mayfield, Kentucky. Eighteen year old Jessica Current had

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<v Speaker 1>last been seen playing cards with friends on the previous

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, leaving a nearly three day gap where no

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<v Speaker 1>one claimed to have seen her. The crime was investigated

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<v Speaker 1>by local and state police, but after a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years the trail went cold. Then, prompted by his citizen's

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<v Speaker 1>investigation conducted by a local housewife, one of Jessica's friends

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<v Speaker 1>came forward with a bizarre tale. In it she and

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<v Speaker 1>a group of friends had partied with Jessica that night,

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<v Speaker 1>then kidnapped, beaten, and raped her, and finally killed her.

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<v Speaker 1>The ringleader, she told police, was Quincy Cross. Quincy had

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<v Speaker 1>been at a party in Mayfield that night, but he

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<v Speaker 1>claimed never to have met Jessica or any of the

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<v Speaker 1>others involved. Still at trial, when others testify to the

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<v Speaker 1>events of that night, they two pointed to Quincy as

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<v Speaker 1>the murderer. But this is wrongful conviction, So welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to wrongful conviction. I'm Maggie Freeling, host of wrongful conviction

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<v Speaker 1>with Maggie Freeling and I'm so excited to be sitting

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<v Speaker 1>in for Jason Flamm today and to share this story

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<v Speaker 1>with you today. I have Quincy Cross with me and

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<v Speaker 1>I also have Miranda Hellman, his attorney from the Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>Innocence Project. Miranda, thank you for being here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having us.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Quincy, Hey, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I am well. How do you feel about telling everyone

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<v Speaker 1>your story today? I know you haven't done that much.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of things that I've been owing in

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get to it. I want to hear your

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<v Speaker 1>story in detail, and usually I just like to start

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<v Speaker 1>with your life growing up? What was that like?

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up with sisters and brothers on both sides

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<v Speaker 3>my family, my mom's side, you know, my dad's side,

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<v Speaker 3>on my stepmom's side. You know what I'm saying, very old,

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<v Speaker 3>protected by my sisters, all of them, provider, protector, somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that they can come talk to, have the conversations that

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<v Speaker 3>they can't have with other people. And they know that.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh, and we have real good times. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>as kids, we did other things together. We used to

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<v Speaker 3>catch turtles and snakes and all that. We used to

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<v Speaker 3>go frog gigg We used to have you know, just

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<v Speaker 3>do what young kids do. I grew up in Union

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<v Speaker 3>City and I grew up in Willer Mills, Tennessee. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm a country guy, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to explain that to me, though, Quincy, I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in New York City. What is growing up

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<v Speaker 1>in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, Okay, country is a whole. That's a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>of love in the country. You know. It's like we did.

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<v Speaker 3>We did small things like play tag and play baseball,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, we just did it as a small community.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you got to tighten their family because it's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of older people that raised you. They cooked for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you wash their cars like more, their yaards

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<v Speaker 3>and things. Because we was tightening. There was a whole

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<v Speaker 3>lot of love in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Quincy, When you were younger,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you what did you want to do with

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<v Speaker 1>your life? What were your hopes and dreams?

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<v Speaker 3>Sports was my thing. I wanted to be a good

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<v Speaker 3>football player. That's what I wanted to do. I want

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<v Speaker 3>to go to college and play football and help the

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<v Speaker 3>older people in my community. Look up. You know what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying and say he did something with his life,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was going on in your life in two thousand?

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<v Speaker 3>It was up and down. Two thousand was up and

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<v Speaker 3>down because matter of fact, we had just had my

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<v Speaker 3>grandmama sueneral on Mother's Day of ninety nine, and I

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<v Speaker 3>went through a spiral after that, you know, because that

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<v Speaker 3>was that was my heart.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by spiral? What did you what

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<v Speaker 1>was that like?

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<v Speaker 3>I got off in the drugs, basically got off in

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<v Speaker 3>the drugs and using the man telling them I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing both what.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of drugs?

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<v Speaker 3>Cokaine?

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<v Speaker 1>So wondering if before the summer of two thousand did

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<v Speaker 1>you have any run ins with the law at all

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<v Speaker 1>when you were selling drugs, dealing drugs whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was like small, small, petty client like marijuana,

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<v Speaker 3>ca you know, cocaine case some day wouldn't get you

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<v Speaker 3>no time, you know, some thirty day, ninety days, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some smile like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So Quincy, that summer you were living in Union City, Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>just south of the border between Tennessee and Kentucky. But

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<v Speaker 1>the crime that you were ultimately convicted of occurred in Mayfield, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about thirty five minutes away by car. So, Mirinda,

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell us a bit about what Mayfield was

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<v Speaker 1>like in two thousands so listeners can kind of get

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<v Speaker 1>the feel for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Mayfield, Kentucky was and still is a very small

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<v Speaker 2>town in rural western Kentucky, a very predominantly white community.

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<v Speaker 2>The black population and minority population live on one side

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<v Speaker 2>of town, where you know, the white population lives in another.

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<v Speaker 2>So the police and really the city government in Mayfield

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<v Speaker 2>has had a few scandals throughout its time. The one

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is most connected to this case would

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<v Speaker 2>be the assistant police chief, Ronnie Lear.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of Quincy's drug arrest, Ronnie Lear had

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<v Speaker 1>already been under investigation for some time because of allegations

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<v Speaker 1>that he and some of the other police officers had

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<v Speaker 1>been selling confiscated drugs. Lear was later indicted for misconduct

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<v Speaker 1>charges after crack cocaine was found in his desk drawer.

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<v Speaker 2>He was fired essentially from the Mayfield Police department some

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<v Speaker 2>time after this case occurred, and it appeared to be

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<v Speaker 2>a theory of the defense at the time of Quincy's trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in two thousand and eight that Ronnie Lear was

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<v Speaker 2>just a crooked cop and that this may have been

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<v Speaker 2>connected to it in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Quincy, can you tell me about the night

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<v Speaker 1>of July twenty ninth, two thousand. Who were you with

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<v Speaker 1>and how why did you wind up in Mayfield?

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<v Speaker 3>Were in Yana City. We had a party set.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>We was conning the house up for this party, and

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<v Speaker 3>Travis Jackson, Carlos Saxton and Gregg Store had pulled up.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've been knowing Travis before he could walk. So

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<v Speaker 3>he come down there looking for some drugs. So I

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<v Speaker 3>told him, you know, I could help him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy, Travis, Carlos, and Greg drove around for a while

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<v Speaker 1>looking to score and picked up some drugs near his

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<v Speaker 1>hometown of Woodland Mills around nine point thirty. They stopped

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<v Speaker 1>at a liquor store, then headed back to Union City.

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<v Speaker 1>On the way, Travis suggested they head up to Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew some folks that could sell to in Mayfield,

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<v Speaker 1>just over the state line.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, man, I don't know nobody in Kentucky. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to go to Kentucky. He was like,

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<v Speaker 3>come on, man, if you go, we'll bring you back

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<v Speaker 3>later on.

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<v Speaker 1>It took some convincing, but eventually Quincy agreed and they

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<v Speaker 1>headed up to Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 3>And the process to that, we hit these back so

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<v Speaker 3>many of these different back roads to where I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know where we at.

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<v Speaker 1>We pop up in Mayfield around midnight. They ended up

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<v Speaker 1>at a party on Chris Drive, somewhere on the outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of town.

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<v Speaker 3>They got their girlfriends or whatever hanging out out there,

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<v Speaker 3>so we selling drugs out there, that's all. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know nobody out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll you here later on, a number of other people

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<v Speaker 1>who were involved in Quincy's case were alleged to have

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<v Speaker 1>been at this party on Chris Drive, including Carlos Saxton,

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<v Speaker 1>but the only one of them who was actually there

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<v Speaker 1>was Carlos. The night wore on and Quincy's friend showed

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<v Speaker 1>no sign of wanting to leave the party.

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<v Speaker 3>But I keep asking them to take me home. I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm ready to go home. So I've used the phone,

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<v Speaker 3>the hel phone, but I called him uponder them back in,

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<v Speaker 3>said letting them know that I'm trying to get home,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know they waiting on men. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>By now, the sun was starting to come up Quincy

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<v Speaker 1>was getting hungry, so he borrowed Greg's car to drive

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<v Speaker 1>into Mayfield to get something to eat, but he got

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<v Speaker 1>lost on the way downtown and ended up driving in

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<v Speaker 1>circles around the back roads. Finally, around seven in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>he ran out of gas. Quincy found a gas can

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<v Speaker 1>in the trunk of the car and was about to

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<v Speaker 1>pour some into the tank when someone drove by and

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<v Speaker 1>stopped to help out. It happened to be the Mayfield

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<v Speaker 1>deputy jailer on his way to work.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy, he's standing right beside me, so he seen

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<v Speaker 3>me drop a couple of drops of gas on my

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<v Speaker 3>parents laid But he's in the hareway to get to

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<v Speaker 3>work because he's late. So stay Trooper with Mike Perkins

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<v Speaker 3>pulled up. So now he smelled the gas, but he

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<v Speaker 3>gave me a ride back to Chris Drag about a

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<v Speaker 3>mile up the street, and from now he dropped me off.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said he went back to the car

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<v Speaker 3>and he's seeing marijuana, which was which was some some

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<v Speaker 3>black and mile and mile. It wasn't even marijuana, it

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<v Speaker 3>was black and man.

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<v Speaker 1>So you encountered Officer Perkins the morning of the thirtieth

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<v Speaker 1>and so when he found what he said was weed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you said it was black and miles like,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like a cigar kind of thing. What happened

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<v Speaker 1>from there?

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<v Speaker 3>So he come back to the to the house asking

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<v Speaker 3>me if he can search a car, Tell him the

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<v Speaker 3>car ain't mine. Then I got two empty baggage in

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<v Speaker 3>my pocket that I meant to throw away but day

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<v Speaker 3>in my pocket and then stay of Kentucky two forms

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<v Speaker 3>of prayer for negative automatic possession. So and two empty

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<v Speaker 3>baggies is what got me arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>In all, ten of the people at the Chris Drive

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<v Speaker 1>party were arrested that morning for drug possession, including quincy.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent the next two years in the Kentucky Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Corrections as a result. So Miranda, this drug arrest

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<v Speaker 1>happened on the morning of July thirtieth. Meanwhile, a young

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Jessica Curran had been seen at a different

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<v Speaker 1>gathering with friends the night before, and then she went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>Her body was found a few days later, on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>August first. So do we know what happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>time between.

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<v Speaker 2>The timeline is difficult to nail down, and we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a time of death, even a day of death.

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<v Speaker 2>For Jessica, partly because of the mishandling of the crime

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<v Speaker 2>scene and the autopsy medical examination. So Saturday night, which

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<v Speaker 2>would have been July twenty ninth, was the night that

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica was last seen. So through looking at the witness interviews,

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<v Speaker 2>I have the most accurate account of her leaving a

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<v Speaker 2>small get together with her cousin Vnesha around eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>that night on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>And according to the witness statements, this was just a

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<v Speaker 1>few women playing cards at one of their friend's houses,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with the party on Chris Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know for certain that evening she was alive.

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<v Speaker 2>She was in Mayfield, and she left a small get

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<v Speaker 2>together at a friend's house. No one aside from Venetia

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<v Speaker 2>and Victoria Caldwell saw her anytime after eleven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>But Venetia and Victoria Caldwell were to become major players

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<v Speaker 1>in Quincy's case. We'll hear more about that later. By

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday afternoon, Jessica's parents, who were watching her baby son, Zion,

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<v Speaker 1>were concerned. It wasn't like Jessica to not be up

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<v Speaker 1>and ready for chure. They started calling around, but they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't find anyone who had seen her since the night before.

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<v Speaker 1>By Tuesday, August first, nearly three days after Jessica had

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<v Speaker 1>last been seen, her parents filed a missing person's report

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<v Speaker 1>with the Mayfield Police.

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<v Speaker 2>So as the missing person's report comes in, it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>at the exact same time that the call that this

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<v Speaker 2>body's been found behind the middle school comes in. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Mayfield Police dispatch out the Assistant Chief, Ronnie Lear,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the lead detective in this case, Tim Fortner.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Fortner was a beat cop who had just been

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<v Speaker 1>promoted to lead detective. This was his first day on

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<v Speaker 1>the job. He'd never investigated a murder before, and the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation was disorganized from the start. So, Miranda, can you

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<v Speaker 1>describe the crime scene? What did the investigators find?

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<v Speaker 2>So, Jessica's body was found pretty severely decomposed and burned.

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<v Speaker 2>She did not have clothing on. It was pretty clear

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<v Speaker 2>she had a dress on and just most of it

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<v Speaker 2>was burned off of the top, but there were pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of it underneath of her body. Her shoes were found

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<v Speaker 2>at the scene, but they weren't on her feet. She

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<v Speaker 2>had some jewelry on that was not burned off, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was actually how her mother identified from photos of

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<v Speaker 2>the jewelry that she was wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there anything else found at the scene that they

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<v Speaker 1>thought was significant.

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<v Speaker 2>The majority of the items that they attempted to test

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<v Speaker 2>or to look for evidence on were just so badly burned.

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<v Speaker 2>The fire had basically burned out, so there was very

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<v Speaker 2>little left at the crime scene that wasn't you know, charred.

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<v Speaker 2>And then additionally, they decided at autopsy they wouldn't keep

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<v Speaker 2>her clothing and they said it was too badly burned.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a small piece of a braided belp found

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<v Speaker 2>pretty close.

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<v Speaker 1>To the body.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna guess is about two to four inches long.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not on her, but it is in the grass

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<v Speaker 2>next to her, and it does have a buckle still

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<v Speaker 2>attached to it. So those were collected and still remain

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<v Speaker 2>in evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were two things that were later alleged to

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<v Speaker 1>connect Quincy to the crime. First the fragment of braided

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<v Speaker 1>belt and buckle, even though that style of belt was

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<v Speaker 1>common at the time. And second, the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>body had been found partially burned. Coupled with the smell

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<v Speaker 1>of gasoline that had spilled on Quincy's pants.

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<v Speaker 2>There was definitely an accelerant used and the police follow

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<v Speaker 2>the assumption that it was gasoline and they connected that

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<v Speaker 2>just by the word gasoline to Quincy, who was found

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<v Speaker 2>that next morning pouring gas out of a gas can

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<v Speaker 2>into the car that had no gasoline in it. The

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<v Speaker 2>deputy jailer saw that happen. He actually watched Quincy dump

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<v Speaker 2>the gas on himself and down the side of the car,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why he pulled over and asked him for help.

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<v Speaker 1>While the police were attempting to collect evidence, the crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene was getting more and more chaotic.

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<v Speaker 2>Are really starting to show up at the middle school

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<v Speaker 2>where they put tape up. It still wasn't a super

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<v Speaker 2>secure scene. In looking at the video that they made

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<v Speaker 2>that day. People are really coming and going.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of those people was a local housewife named

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Galbreath.

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<v Speaker 2>She describes herself as an overweight stay at home Why

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<v Speaker 2>know who solved a crime? So Susan Gailbrith was at

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<v Speaker 2>the scene the day Jessica's body was discovered. From her

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<v Speaker 2>own writings, she says that she was at a diner

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<v Speaker 2>in downtown Mayfield having breakfaster lunch and that she felt

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<v Speaker 2>a higher power calling her to the middle school because

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<v Speaker 2>she felt that there was a tragedy there, so she

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<v Speaker 2>becomes essentially obsessed with this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Fortner headed up the Mayfield Police investigation, working with

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<v Speaker 1>the Kentucky State Police. Initially, the authorities had two main suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>both of whom were arrested in two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 1>One was Carlos sa one of the guys who had

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<v Speaker 1>been to the Chris Drive party along with Quincy and

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<v Speaker 1>who had been dating the victim, Jessica Currn around that time.

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<v Speaker 1>The other was Jeremy Adams, the father of Jessica's son.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy's mother was a close friend of Susan Goalbreth's, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Once Jeremy's arrested, Susan Galbreth turns into kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>private sleuth, wanting to put the case together and figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out. So she's I mean, she's deeply involved and

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<v Speaker 2>very intertwined in the story, to the point she's almost

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<v Speaker 2>acting as a fourth investigating agency, you know, alongside the

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<v Speaker 2>city police, the State Police, and the Bureau of Investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>And Susan was getting inside information from one of the

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<v Speaker 1>State Police investigators on the case.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Jamie Mills. They were exchanging information pretty freely,

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<v Speaker 2>so Jamie was actually giving this private citizen that wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to solve this crime information.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Jamie and her other connections, Susan had access

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<v Speaker 1>to not only the police files, but also to Jeremy

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<v Speaker 1>Adams's entire attorney file. And in one of the police

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<v Speaker 1>files there was a mention of the drug arrest on

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a notation in Quincy's file about him being

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<v Speaker 2>booked in and him smelling like gas, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>she starts to weave the stories together. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>that's why she started turning to Quincy. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty easy mark as well. He was an outsider, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think is incredibly important to this case. He was

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<v Speaker 2>not from Mayfield, he had very few ties to Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 2>It was easy to point the finger at him because

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<v Speaker 2>he was kind of a nameless, faceless person that was

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<v Speaker 2>not her best friend's son.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Quincy, when did you first hear the name Jessica Curran?

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<v Speaker 3>First time I ever heard her name, I was locked up.

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<v Speaker 3>I was already locked up. We was in the back

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<v Speaker 3>of the jail and we ate bought a newspaper backer

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<v Speaker 3>and he found the body, a body behind the school.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, man, that's bad. Man. How they did her? Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody they need to convicte somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>While Quincy was still incarcerat in Mayfield on the drug charge,

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<v Speaker 1>he became acquainted with Tamra Caldwell, the sister of a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow prisoner. After his release in October of two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two, he began seeing Tamra and eventually moved in

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<v Speaker 1>with her in Mayfield. Tamra was the cousin of Victoria Caldwell. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in February of two thousand and three, the two suspects,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeremy Adams and Carlos Saxton, both had their indictments dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>because of discovery violations by the Mayfield Police Department and

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<v Speaker 1>the local prosecutor. Although they had not been excluded from suspicion,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the police and prosecutor not responding to discovery

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<v Speaker 1>requests from their attorneys that led to their release. The

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<v Speaker 1>case went cold for a few years before it was

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<v Speaker 1>eventually picked up by the Kentucky Bureau of Investigation or KVII. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Susan Galbreath was still hard at work on her citizen's investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>She had teamed up with a TV documentary production company

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<v Speaker 1>and was still being fed information by Jamie Mills. She

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<v Speaker 1>had also started a MySpace page of the case, publicly

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<v Speaker 1>calling out some people she thought were involved, including Quincy Cross,

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<v Speaker 1>which is how she drew the attention of Victoria Caldwell.

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria told Susan Goalbreath that she knew who had killed

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica because she had been there when it happened. Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>and Venetia had never met Quincy until he began seeing

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<v Speaker 1>Tamra in two thousand and two. Yet the pair wove

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<v Speaker 1>a bizarre story that implicated Quincy, Tamra, and an acquaintance

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<v Speaker 1>named Jeffrey Burton, and that ultimately became the basis of

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<v Speaker 1>the States case against Quincy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the ultimate theory that gets presented at trial by

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria and Venetia is that they were walking around in Mayfield, Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>Venetia and Jessica, and that a car picked them up.

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<v Speaker 2>The car changes, the driver changes constantly. It's very hard

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<v Speaker 2>to pinpoint who this was supposed to be in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>It's supposed to be jeff Free Tamara, Quincy, Victoria, Venetia

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<v Speaker 2>and Jessica, and that Quincy was like making advances on

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica and she was not wanting those advances, they end

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<v Speaker 2>up at the party at Chris Drive.

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<v Speaker 1>According to witnesses from the party, none of these people

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<v Speaker 1>were ever at the Chris Drive party except for Quincy

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<v Speaker 1>and Carlos, who had driven up together from Tennessee. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>at some point Victoria and Venetia folded Carlos into their

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<v Speaker 1>own narrative. Since those two were the people last seen

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<v Speaker 1>with Jessica, and since Carlos was seeing her at the

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<v Speaker 1>time and was a suspect in her murder, all three

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<v Speaker 1>of them had every motive to deflect suspicion from themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>which is likely how their stories ended up merging together.

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<v Speaker 1>Carlos Saxon later testified at the trial that at the party,

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy was seen swinging a brown braided leather belt around

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<v Speaker 1>like a rodeo writer, but this fact could have been

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<v Speaker 1>fed to him by the investigators to account for the

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<v Speaker 1>charred fragment belt found near Jessica's body and to fabricate

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<v Speaker 1>another connection between Quincy and Jessica. Victoria and Venicia's stories

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<v Speaker 1>get more outlandish from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Somehow they get from Chris Drive to Jeffrey Burton's house

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<v Speaker 2>back into town, and when they got there, Quincy knocked

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica out in the car, they carried her body in.

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<v Speaker 2>She was still alive, but they carried her body in,

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<v Speaker 2>put her in Jeffrey's bedroom, and they essentially had an

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<v Speaker 2>orgy where everyone was kind of coming and going in

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<v Speaker 2>and out of this bedroom while Jessica was coming in

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<v Speaker 2>and out of consciousness on the bed. Then they say

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<v Speaker 2>that some time after that, after she woke back up,

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<v Speaker 2>that Quincy hit her in the head. Again. They almost

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<v Speaker 2>exclusively say it's with a baseball bat, like a miniature

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<v Speaker 2>souvenir baseball bat, until they can't find the baseball bat

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<v Speaker 2>and they find something else.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Victoria, she had buried the bat in her

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<v Speaker 1>sister of Rosy Christ's backyard, but when they searched the backyard,

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<v Speaker 1>the investigators could not find it. Instead, they uncovered an old,

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<v Speaker 1>rusty ratchet, and at that point Victoria's story suddenly changed.

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<v Speaker 2>And she says, Oh, it wasn't a bat, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a tool that makes a clicking noise. And they collect

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<v Speaker 2>the item and there's literally no evidence on it, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>that connects to the crime at all whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>Nevertheless, that item later showed up as evidence at trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria gets on the stand and says, it's the murder weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>I buried it in the backyard along with some clothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they never find the clothing. They never find the

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<v Speaker 2>baseball bat. They only find this ratchet, and it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a key piece of evidence against Quincy.

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<v Speaker 1>So, without a physical connection to the crime, and despite

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of death being undetermined at autopsy, this ratchet

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<v Speaker 1>was alleged to be the murder weapon based solely on

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria's word. The theory became that Quincy had allegedly hit

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica repeatedly in the head with not a bat but

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<v Speaker 1>this ratchet, and Victoria and Venetia's absurd tail continues after

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Quincy supposedly delivered the final blow.

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<v Speaker 2>They say that that final blow is what killed her,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they continued to have this orgy after she

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<v Speaker 2>had passed away, where Quincy forced everyone to perform sex

0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.200
<v Speaker 2>acts on Jessica after she had passed away. From there,

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<v Speaker 2>they say that morning broke they took her body and

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<v Speaker 2>put it in the garage, wrapped in a blanket and

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<v Speaker 2>just left it there for a few days, and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't until a smell started occurring that they decided they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to move the body to the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>School where it was found the following Tuesday morning, August first,

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<v Speaker 1>and autopsy was performed on Jessica's body, but as with

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<v Speaker 1>most of the investigation, it was badly botched and inconclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the body was so badly decomposed and burned, the

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<v Speaker 1>medical examiner was unable to determine when or how she died.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, items of her clothing had been discarded, and

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<v Speaker 1>no one thought to save a sample of her DNA

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<v Speaker 1>to potentially compare it with profiles found on other crime

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 1>scene evidence. So in two thousand and five, Jessica's body

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<v Speaker 1>was exhumed and re examined. Kentucky State Police hoped that

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<v Speaker 1>DNA samples would corroborate her alleged connection with Quincy, who

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<v Speaker 1>is by now their main suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the main pieces of evidence that they were

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<v Speaker 2>looking for was something that would have her DNA sample

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<v Speaker 2>in it. They had all of these items from the

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene that they wanted to use to connect Jessica

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<v Speaker 2>and Quincy together. They tried very hard, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>never able to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Susan Golbreath continued with her campaign to throw suspicion

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<v Speaker 1>off Her best friend's son, Jeremy Adams, and onto someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>And by two thousand and seven, thanks to her citizen

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:59.399
<v Speaker 1>detective theories, the weak threads of circumstantial evidence being used

0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 1>to connect Quincy with the crime scene, combined with Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>and Venetia's absurd narrative, the state believed that they had

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<v Speaker 1>enough to make an arrest. By then, Quincy was living

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman named Melissa, who had two young boys.

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<v Speaker 1>One night, he and Melissa were lying in bed watching television.

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<v Speaker 3>In my face stop up on the news, said like newsworm,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm considered armed in dangers, so the first thing I

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<v Speaker 3>think about is in keyds. So she gave me a

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<v Speaker 3>look like Babe, what you gonna do? I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get the hell up out her here because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to bring no guns up here.

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<v Speaker 1>When he sees it, Quincy's friends and family immediately started calling,

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.479
<v Speaker 1>urging him to get out of town. One friend offered

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>to drive him to California, another to Mississippi, but Quincy

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to go on the run. He went to

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 1>his dad's house to find the police had already been

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 1>there looking for him.

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.320
<v Speaker 3>So I tell my dad, I'm like, look, man, I'm

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 3>going to tell myself he and iigman Kentucky because I

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 3>ain't gonna do no running because I ain't need nothing.

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.240
<v Speaker 3>But they got me considered armed in dangers. I know

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 3>they won't try to kill me. I think that they

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:06.520
<v Speaker 3>wanted me dead so they can try to er up

0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and close his tase so they can just say, well,

0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 3>we got the person that did and he's dead. And

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:31.680
<v Speaker 3>you know that's what I think. So these these guys

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.399
<v Speaker 3>from the so cappin Tucky brew up investigation on Lee,

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Wires and O'Neill come to take me up from the

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 3>from the Apeman County jail and they take me to

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 3>a hotel room at the Duka and then Terry gave

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 3>me the whole time from about from about let them

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 3>that twelve that night till about sixty seven that morning.

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 3>When I keep telling them to take me to the jail, man,

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to talk to y'all. Take me to

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 3>the jail.

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Did you ask for a lawyer, Quincy, I did ask

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>for a lawyer twice, and they never gave you a lawyer.

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 3>They never even act like they heard me say that

0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.840
<v Speaker 3>They had just told me that I was arrested anyway,

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 3>That's what they were telling me. I was arrested for

0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:08.280
<v Speaker 3>the murder of Jessica Karring.

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>From the time that Jessica's body was found in two

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 1>thousand until Quincy was arrested in two thousand and seven,

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 1>the case went through several different investigations and a mind

0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>boggling number of suspects. We don't have time to go

0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 1>into all of that, but let's take a moment for

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:31.080
<v Speaker 1>a little recap. So the case was investigated first by

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the Mayfield Police Department, resulting in the arrest of Jeremy

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Adams and Carlos Saxton. After their charges were dropped due

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 1>to discovery violations, neither suspect was ever recharged or went

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to trial. When Susan Golbreth got involved, working with Jamie

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Mills and the Kentucky State Police, she was the one

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 1>who pushed Quincy forward to the exclusion of Jeremy and Carlos,

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 1>as well as several alternate suspects. Then the KBI picked

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.959
<v Speaker 1>up the case, using Victoria and Venetia to solidify their

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>theory of the crime. This led them to Quincy, Tamra,

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and Jeffrey, who were all charged with kidnapping, rape, murder,

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and abuse of a corpse.

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:16.239
<v Speaker 2>The prosecution's theory wasn't super clear. When you look at

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>this case. There are four different investigations that end in

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>four different outcomes with four different defendants, and so I

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 2>see why it was very difficult for them to figure out,

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.159
<v Speaker 2>how are they actually going to try him for this

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 2>murder and let alone get a conviction.

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Nevertheless, the trial began in March two thousand and eight.

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So for a capital murder case to go to trial

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>in less than one year is to me unheard of.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't see how anyone could be prepared to go

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.239
<v Speaker 2>to a capital trial in one year, especially in light

0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of the massive amounts of discovery that the prosecution was

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>dumping on them continually.

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:53.640
<v Speaker 1>The state, led by Special Prosecutor Barbara Waley, built its

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 1>case largely around the outlandish and inconsistent stories told by

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Victoria and Venetia. Both women had pleaded guilty to corpse

0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>abuse and evidence tampering, but as the prosecution star witnesses,

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>their sentencing was delayed until after they had testified in

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Quincy's trial. After telling their stories in front of the jury,

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Victoria Caldwell was sentenced to five years, but ultimately served

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 1>just under three months. Venisiha's Doublefield got a total of

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:25.240
<v Speaker 1>seven years, but ended up serving only six months. Along

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:28.640
<v Speaker 1>with their trial testimonies, which was the only direct evidence

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 1>against Quincy, the state presented a diary that Victoria had

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 1>supposedly written during the time of the murder, in which

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>she implicated Quincy.

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 2>So this diary is supposed to be a document that

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>helps lend some truthfulness to the story that Victoria and

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Venicia come up with. One of the entries essentially says

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>they found Jessica's body, Oh my god, what am I

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 2>going to do? And she says the phrase Q is

0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 2>nowhere to be found.

0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Which is really odd. Remember, according to Quincy, Victoria did

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>not know him in two thousand. They didn't meet until

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>over a year later when Quincy was dating her cousin Tamra.

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>The prosecution also presented testimony from the medical examiner who

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 1>had performed the autopsy. Despite the burnt and decomposed condition

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of the body, he said that he believed the cause

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>of death could possibly have been either strangulation or blunt

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>force trauma, but his theory appeared to be based more

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>on the evidence presented by the prosecution the piece of

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 1>belt and the story about the ratchet than on actual

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>medical evidence. In defense, Quincy's attorney Vince Eustace brought up

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the former Chief Medical Examiner, doctor George Nichols as an

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>expert witness, but his testimony was also inconclusive.

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>He essentially was just a witness to say they truly

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>can't say when this crime occurred. They can speculate as

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>to strangulation, they can speculate as to blunt force trauma,

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 2>but because of the decomposition the bach medical exam, together

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>with just the condition of the body, they absolutely, with certainty,

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 2>cannot tell you that this occurred here in this way

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>or that this was what actually caused her death.

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>There was no medical evidence that Jessica had even been raped.

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 2>There was no semen found anywhere, there was any any

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>other evidence of sexual assault. Maybe because it didn't happen,

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe because of the fire, but we just certainly do

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>not know it.

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Carlo Saxon testified about seeing Quincy swinging the belt around

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 1>at the Chris Drive party, and Victoria's sister Rosie Christ

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>took the stand for the prosecution to answer questions about

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>the ratchet found in her backyard.

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>She's very quiet. She answers yes and no, she doesn't

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 2>say too much. She's a prosecution witness, but not super cooperative.

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, Rosie later returned to the stand to

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>testify for the defense, recanting her previous testimony.

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Saying, they threatened me. They said they'd take my kids away,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I would go to prison for murder, and then they

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 2>paid me money to do it. And it really just

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>falls on deaf years and it gives us a little

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 2>bit of insight into exactly how the prosecutors and police

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.720
<v Speaker 2>were treating the witnesses in this case, with their threats

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:16.840
<v Speaker 2>and with their payments. And that was essentially the case.

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Quincy did not testify. They they did very little to

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>cut a Victoria and Venetia's story and it just at

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, I don't think it swayed

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the jury. It wasn't enough to show that what they

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>were saying was a lie and that it was a

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>provable lie.

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Here's the question, Quincy, didn't you have an alibi for

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the time she was killed?

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I did. My lawyer never used it. I was

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 3>on Qruze Draft. I never left Chris Draft that night,

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 3>and everybody in the house. They continued, I never left

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 3>that house, and it's all came up.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And then from Sunday morning on, you were in the

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Mayfield Jail for weed possession. Correct.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't sort the records. That's what it say is

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 3>I was already locked up. The first time I heard

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 3>Justica's name, I was locked up.

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I think some people might hear this. You didn't know Jessica,

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know your co defendants, and some people

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>might just beel like how did this happen?

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 3>I still one of that, But I know how I know.

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Now that I've been in concrated, you see a whole

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>lot of things that don't happen nowhere else but Kentucky,

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 3>in West Kentucky. Here. As long as I've been going

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 3>through from penitentiary to penitentiary, I've been letting other people

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 3>look at my paperwork, and they asked me the same thing, like, bro,

0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.959
<v Speaker 3>how had you even walked up? Like how you locked up?

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:33.960
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, man, I can't even explain it because

0:32:33.960 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know. I don't know how I'm locked up.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>So when you're at trial Quincy, it's wrapping up. They're

0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>given closing statements and then you you hear you're convicted.

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 3>I cried, man, I cried with my dad and I

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 3>kept telling my daddy, these people gonna have the audacity

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 3>to asked me to lie on camera. And Jeffrey, they

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 3>kind like they came to me with a deal. They came,

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 3>they came to me with a deal, a fifteen year deal.

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 3>I just told my do that I ain't that type

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 3>because because I know they innocent. The reason I know

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 3>they're innocent because I know I'm innocent. So I didn't

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even ask him what they wanted me to say,

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 3>none of that, because I ain't that type of person.

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>So you were like, I will take a life sentence.

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie about these people, right.

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 3>You're exactly right, I will, And that's what I did.

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Tamra and Jeffrey both took Alfred please and were given

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 1>ten and fifteen years, respectively, but Quincy refused to plead out,

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>and on May twenty first, two thousand and eight, he

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 1>was convicted of capital kidnapping, capital murder, rape, sodomy, and

0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>abuse of a corpse. He was sentenced to life without

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of parole.

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 3>They rushed me straight out of the court room. They

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 3>had a race that a locked my leg because because

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 3>they thought I was gonna run. As soon as the

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 3>first person said guipy, I didn't even hear what all

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 3>the charges were. They rush They rushed me up out

0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 3>of the court room. M hm. I was very very angry,

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 3>very very angry. It's just what can I do but

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 3>make my own time hard? Understand what I'm saying, because

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 3>there was a lot of different things going through my brain.

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 3>But I don't want to react to make everything harder

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:38.879
<v Speaker 3>than it was. Man, it's it's it's it's it's hell

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 3>for real and every in every aspect, any any any

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 3>person that you can think of that in hell. I'm

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 3>surrounded by them every day. But just imagine that. Imagine

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 3>being innocent and going through that though, imagine being an

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:58.040
<v Speaker 3>innocent person going through the same going through hell. So

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 3>now you got to adjust to it. I have to

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 3>adjust to it. So now I have to raise the

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 3>little help my fail in order to so for other

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 3>people not to bother me. I have to raid the

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 3>little hell of my fail because you got to adapt

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 3>to it. If you don't adapt to it, you know,

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 3>you become a man of a mouse. At that period.

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Ain't nothing between in my world.

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Over the next ten years, Quincy filed a number of

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>appeals with the trial court and with the Kentucky Supreme Court.

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 1>All were denied, and then in twenty eleven, he received

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>a letter from an unlikely source, Jessica's father, Joe Curran.

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 3>That he sent a message to me and told me

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 3>to write him a letter about how I was feeling

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 3>about everything that I was going through, and he wanted

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 3>to get with me, and he wanted to get a

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 3>better understanding about you know, what I'm going through and

0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 3>what I feel because he knows that I'm in it him,

0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 3>and he seemed the facts of the case, and he

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 3>knew that I didn't have nothing to do with it.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 3>Because you want to the actual person that murdered his

0:35:59.840 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 3>daughter in prison, I will want him too. I want

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 3>to know who did it. I'm paid for it, but

0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 3>it is. It's gonna haunt me to my grave if

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't find that.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.719
<v Speaker 1>And Joe has continued to believe in Quincy's innocence and

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to advocate for his release.

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a win for me though, by my fil

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 3>that's just from the outside, from the inside looking out.

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 3>That's a win right there period. So so that means

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 3>he knows everything that I know, understand what I'm saying.

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>And Joe Current wasn't the only one who believed in Quincy.

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 1>The Kentucky Innocence Project had started to work on his

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 1>case in twenty thirteen, but unfortunately they had to shelve

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>it a few years later due to funding concerns. Then

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty, Miranda Hellman joined the Kentucky Innocence Project,

0:36:50.320 --> 0:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>right around the time that the country found itself in

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the grip of a worldwide pandemic.

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 2>As COVID was hitting. I didn't have much else to do,

0:36:58.200 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>so I just started going through old dusty box and

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.720
<v Speaker 2>I found this massive case. It had fourteen eighteen boxes

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 2>sitting on a shelf. It was very messy, it was

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:09.680
<v Speaker 2>not in any order. I couldn't tell what I even

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 2>had to look at. So I started digging, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think probably from the first thirty minutes and looking in

0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the box and reading these memos from past staff, I

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<v Speaker 2>knew there was something to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So the KIP team began seeking out documents on the case.

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<v Speaker 2>It took us well over a year to get state

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 2>police documents and start to try to locate evidence. The

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 2>high profile nature of this case and the massive amount

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.680
<v Speaker 2>of very well known and high ranking people that were

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>involved in it, from the investigation, through the prosecution, even

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>into the post conviction litigation made it very difficult for

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>us to get anything. So we fought for about a

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 2>year and a half to get records, and it's taken

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 2>about two and a half years just to try to

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 2>lay my eyes on the majority of what we have.

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>The prosecution did what I would call in civil litigation

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>and a document dump, where they bury you in boxes

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and boxes of paperwork so you can never get through it.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>So we have about forty thousand pages of discovery from

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 2>the trial attorney file that we still to this day.

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>I go through every day just trying to pull out

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<v Speaker 2>what I think that we're going to need for post

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<v Speaker 2>conviction litigation.

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<v Speaker 1>One detail that caught their attention right away was the

0:38:22.440 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>sketchy history behind Victoria's diary.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:29.720
<v Speaker 2>So Victoria told the KBI officers that she kept diaries

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>her whole life, She wrote in them every day, and

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>she kept every single diary she ever wrote. So supposedly

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:39.879
<v Speaker 2>KBI found parts of these diaries in the trash can

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 2>behind her apartment that she was living in in California.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>It's a spiral bound notebook written in a combination of

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 2>pencil and blue ink. They're dated in two thousand, and

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>they only give eleven pages of this time period exactly

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<v Speaker 2>when the crime happens, late July to early August of

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:01.000
<v Speaker 2>two thousand, so she dates these as two thousand, but

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.640
<v Speaker 2>there is one entry that looks as if it was

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and one or two thousand and seven that

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 2>she goes back and fixes and puts a zero over it.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that prior to trial, the prosecution sent

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.839
<v Speaker 1>the diaries to the Secret Service in Washington, DC for analysis.

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.399
<v Speaker 2>So the Secret Service comes back and says, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have this ink in our library. So that means either

0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a really rare ink that we just have never collected,

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:29.239
<v Speaker 2>or it's so new we haven't collected it yet.

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's not likely to be an ink that could

0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.879
<v Speaker 1>have been used in a two thousand diary entry. Yet,

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<v Speaker 1>despite its dubious authenticity, the diary was presented at trial

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<v Speaker 1>as evidence that Quincy was with Victoria and the others

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that night.

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<v Speaker 2>So in post conviction, a motion that will be filed

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 2>is a request of a reanalysis of that ink, either

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<v Speaker 2>by the Secret Service or by a private lab.

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<v Speaker 1>So we mentioned the diary. Is there anything else, you know,

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 1>points that you guys are making out of these forty

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>thousand pages that you've read.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, somehow forty thousand pages didn't even tell the whole story.

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 2>So since I've come onto the case over the last year,

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 2>we've been able to obtain new documents that weren't part

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 2>of the original discovery or part of the initial investigation.

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 2>A lot of that is centered around Susan Galbrath. She

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>was communicating quite a bit with TV producers, friends, family,

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 2>and now we have those written documents, so we can

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 2>really show this missing piece. This investigation wasn't what it

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 2>looked like, and here's why it ended up where it

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>ended up. She was the person who put Quincy Cross

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>in prison. She's the person who handed the police their theory,

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:44.280
<v Speaker 2>their investigation, and their star witnesses who had been prepped

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 2>and paid to give the testimony she wanted them to give.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:51.359
<v Speaker 1>So Rosie Christ wasn't the only witness who was being

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 1>paid for testimony.

0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Both Victoria and Venisia received money from the KBI out

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>of a state fund that is set aside for witness protection,

0:41:01.520 --> 0:41:07.399
<v Speaker 2>and Victoria was moved from California to North Carolina. Her

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>living expenses were paid for about a year, and then

0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>she was brought back to Kentucky and basically traveled all

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 2>on the dime of the state. She had told many people,

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 2>including her sister and Venetia that all testified that she

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.959
<v Speaker 2>had said this, that they could make money by giving

0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 2>these statements. So the combination of this payment to witnesses

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>how Susan was moving behind the scenes. We also have

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 2>a couple pieces of forensic evidence that could be tested

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 2>today that were never tested at the time of trial.

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 2>So that includes some items found at the crime scene,

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 2>some cigarette butts, a drink bottle that may or may

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 2>not have had accelerant in it. But until we find

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>out if there's a DNA profile on any of these

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>items that were found with her body, we really can't

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.360
<v Speaker 2>say for certain. So much like asking for the release

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of the diary, we're going to ask for really of

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 2>items of evidence to do some DNA testing.

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Miranda and the KIP team are hopeful that all of

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the new evidence and information they're now presenting will spur

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.240
<v Speaker 1>the courts to take a look at what the jury

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>never got to see, and that.

0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Really is going to be the beginning of a new

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 2>chapter of litigation for Quincy.

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>So meanwhile, for listeners who want to know what can

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>they do to help, there are a.

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Few petitions online that all support Quincy's innocence and call

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 2>officials to review the case, including the governor and the

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Attorney General. I would strongly suggest anyone who wants more

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>information about the case look at those petitions. The information

0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>that's been given.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, so we will link to those in the bio

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:49.279
<v Speaker 1>so listeners can find them and also follow the case

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>for any updates. So now is the part of the

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>show we call closing arguments. I want to thank both

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>of you guys for joining us. Quincy, thank you so

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>much for sharing your story and Miranda for being here

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 1>helping out to tell it. And we'd just like to

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.439
<v Speaker 1>ask your final thoughts, any takeaways, anything that you want

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to share with listeners. Miranda, do you want to start

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:10.720
<v Speaker 1>off and then we'll let Quincy finish.

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Quincy's case and the murder of Jessica Kurrn are some

0:43:15.680 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 2>of the worst examples of official misconduct that I have

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>seen in any innocence cases that I've worked on. I

0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 2>think that what is so unique about his case is

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>the long investigation, the many people involved in the investigation,

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:37.560
<v Speaker 2>and the mishandling by an ept and untrained police officers

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that led to his arrest and ultimate conviction.

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 1>And Quincy, what about you? What do you want to

0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>say to listeners?

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I want them to know an that I'm anything person,

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, and I want them to look at the

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:54.280
<v Speaker 3>fag that again. I want them to look at everything,

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:57.360
<v Speaker 3>everything about this case. And that's what I want the

0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:00.680
<v Speaker 3>world to be because you know, I don't been through

0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't been through some heal trying to get the

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 3>truth out, and now that I got the opportunity to

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 3>get it out, it makes everything a whole lot better. Yeah,

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:12.759
<v Speaker 3>it makes everything a whole lot better for me. That's

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 3>what I want the world to know. That I'm a

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:17.360
<v Speaker 3>bad plus I'm a better person, believe it or not.

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:19.480
<v Speaker 3>For a prison made me a better person. I have

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.319
<v Speaker 3>a whole lot of love in my heart. That's one.

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 3>That's the biggest thing I want to know.

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