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Speaker 2: Our number two on number two of Mini Camp. Here

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Speaker 2: through portion of practices over. Then we'll have a full

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Speaker 2: be with you until then. It is a special edition

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Speaker 2: of The Drive. Here a live from the upmc rooney

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Speaker 2: Sports Complex, our pet ultimate show down here Matt Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: The last has been fun, the last one.

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Speaker 2: Of three weeks down here. It is fun. Like it's

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Speaker 2: nice to get so, it's nice to see everybody. The

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Speaker 2: parking situation is at the parking situation is tough. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot of walking and moving and shaking, and you know,

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Speaker 2: get back down here. It's nice to see people. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you and I were just throwing off our breaks in

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Speaker 2: the first hour talking about just seeing dk metcalf in them.

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Speaker 3: That he is, oh yeah, he stands out.

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Speaker 2: He could stand next to Darnell Washington and look like

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Speaker 2: he belonged. Not many skill pishon players could say.

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Speaker 4: That those two, I mean are very rare for their

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Speaker 4: NFL position, I mean was rare in the NFL, but

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Speaker 4: they're rare amongst rare dudes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yes, they are rare body types amongst all

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Speaker 2: plenty to get to here as we roll along today,

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Speaker 2: I would want to get into some more of that

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Speaker 2: and you know, let's go with one of the softballs,

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Speaker 2: maybe one of the low hanging fruit things. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you and I talked about at the start of the show,

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Speaker 2: could some of the drawn out and trows signing and

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Speaker 2: But I tell you the way that he was kind

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Speaker 2: I know the fan bas will love here and everybody

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Speaker 4: Of the Yeah, and I don't think he just did

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Speaker 2: He's talked about that for years in the past too,

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Speaker 4: I think everyone realizes that the NFL and football in

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Speaker 3: A hotbed over decades and decades.

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Speaker 4: And now it's Florida and Texas, but I mean still Pennsylvania, Ohio.

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Speaker 4: And I found it enlightening that he mentioned all the

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Speaker 4: coaches he worked with. But he said, you know Yinzer

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Speaker 4: you know, coach you know you do the signettes as

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Speaker 2: You know, Yes, and again that stuff matters. That is

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Speaker 3: Before I was even a long time again, three years

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Speaker 3: Sure, you know, but that's why there's only a few

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Speaker 4: Used to have part Starr and Farv and Rogers and

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Speaker 4: But frankly, I'd be shocked if it's just to pad

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Speaker 3: Pride in your career, your legacy.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he's to end it on the two

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Speaker 2: Nobody does?

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Speaker 4: Sure, go out like Lway and hand it off a

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Speaker 2: And I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to the point that he's at without

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Speaker 2: I'm better than that. I can do better than that.

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Speaker 2: Is in an indictment? Is he done?

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Speaker 3: Does he not have it anymore?

442
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Speaker 2: Can he not control the players anymore? Well, Matt Williams, Yeah,

443
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Speaker 2: he got.

444
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Speaker 4: Him, He got him right, and we shall see. I

445
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Speaker 4: like the chances, and again I've said this a thousand times,

446
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Speaker 4: I expect him to be the Steelers' best quarterback since

447
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Speaker 4: Ben's elbow injury. Yes, that's a pretty long stretch.

448
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Speaker 2: That's a pretty long stretch, and that would be some

449
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Speaker 2: pretty decent football because while we haven't seen you know,

450
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame Ali certainly since Ben, we have

451
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Speaker 2: seen some decent stretches of quarterback play in there as

452
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Speaker 2: well too, you know, by Justin Fields at times, certainly

453
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Speaker 2: by Russell Wilson at times last season. So yeah, I.

454
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Speaker 3: Get over that bar.

455
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Speaker 2: You got to get over that bar. Absolutely, big day yesterday,

456
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Speaker 2: with a lot of anticipation, obviously hearing from Aaron Rodgers,

457
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Speaker 2: but we did want to take just a couple of

458
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Speaker 2: minutes here and play a few of Mike Tomlin's comments

459
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Speaker 2: from the first day of mini camp as well. Here's

460
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Speaker 2: what coach t had to say after yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Man had a really good and exciting day to day,

462
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Speaker 5: very similar to the work we've done to this point

463
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Speaker 5: in the off season. But it's another step, another step

464
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Speaker 5: closer to a football like environment. The days are a

465
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Speaker 5: little bit longer, not only in terms of us being

466
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Speaker 5: in the building, but the length of practice. Just we're

467
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Speaker 5: at that stage where we get the opportunity to continue

468
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Speaker 5: to work on our football conditioning and display it, present

469
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Speaker 5: some more challenging schematics in all three phases, and just

470
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Speaker 5: really a little bit more formal work. And so from

471
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Speaker 5: a head of the standpoint, it's a fun environment and

472
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Speaker 5: we had a really good day. I'm gonna look forward

473
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Speaker 5: us getting back out and doing similar things tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Questions Cans.

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Speaker 5: No, certainly we'd like him to be here, but certainly

476
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Speaker 5: not surprised by where we are. We've expressed a desire

477
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Speaker 5: to get the business done. He has as well, and

478
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Speaker 5: so we'll continue to work. We've been here before.

479
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Speaker 3: Is there a concern about his future?

480
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Speaker 2: No, he give your advanced notice that he wouldn't.

481
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Speaker 5: Get whatever communication transfers between he and I will remain.

482
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Speaker 3: There, like what is uh Aaron Walder digs in yours?

483
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Speaker 5: I mean read's resume. We're excited about him being here,

484
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Speaker 5: He's excited about being here. But we'll make no bold predictions.

485
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Speaker 5: We're just gonna roll our sleeves up and go to

486
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Speaker 5: work and let let our efforts do to talking.

487
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Speaker 3: He said that you want him what money do that?

488
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Speaker 2: You see?

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Speaker 5: I'd be really straightforward with you, Uh, June rep Soller

490
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Speaker 5: or a heck of a lot more important for a

491
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Speaker 5: guy like Will Howard at that at this stage of

492
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Speaker 5: his career than the guy who's been doing it for

493
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Speaker 5: twenty years. And so whatever snaps he gets, you take

494
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Speaker 5: away from a guy like Will Hire Howard. And we're

495
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Speaker 5: trying to get this collective ready for training camp. Like

496
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Speaker 5: he you said that I think needing comfortable being uncomfortable

497
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Speaker 5: in terms of the wage or.

498
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Speaker 2: How felt uncomfortable?

499
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Speaker 3: Was it really or did you.

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Speaker 5: Kind of know you get to this point it wasn't

501
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Speaker 5: for me.

502
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Speaker 3: Like, oh uh, vision a quarterback competition in the summer.

503
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Speaker 5: I don't I bet if it's not gonna be to

504
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Speaker 5: have anything again as I said, you know, physical repetitions

505
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Speaker 5: in June, for a guy with twenty years experience is

506
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Speaker 5: is not that significant. It's very fas significant for a

507
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Speaker 5: guy with no snaps.

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Speaker 3: Snaps here, guys, and this staff, this vile.

509
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Speaker 5: I I trust that whatever issues or you know, learning

510
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Speaker 5: curve thing that he needs to get through be be

511
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Speaker 5: handled during the during the down period of summer. For sure,

512
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Speaker 5: may said, he appreciated the way you're communicated with him for.

513
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Speaker 2: His personal So what allowed you that patient to letting

514
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Speaker 2: him go through that stuff?

515
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Speaker 5: Why you have most we've both been in our roles

516
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Speaker 5: a long time and and so there's personal comfort and

517
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Speaker 5: security in that, and maybe we could relate on that level.

518
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Speaker 2: In the past, we had Russell Wilson hearing his leadership

519
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Speaker 2: and his better experience for the reason why you've eight

520
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Speaker 2: know they what does appear and bringing his avagar.

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Speaker 5: Reader's resume.

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Speaker 2: Anyone else all said Garrett Harton is started.

523
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Speaker 3: Now that's how you be ready.

524
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Speaker 5: We'll sort out all of that division of labor and

525
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Speaker 5: rolls and depth chart things when we get to real football.

526
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Speaker 5: Right now, it's just football like.

527
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Speaker 3: All right, thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's just football like I like that much

529
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Speaker 2: good Mike Tomlin as he spoke at the conclusion of

530
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Speaker 2: yesterday's proceedings there, Matt Williamson, and you know, one thing

531
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Speaker 2: that really stands out to me is the June reps

532
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Speaker 2: comment about Will Howard. Yes, and listen to you and

533
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Speaker 2: I have have had these discussions. You and Dale have

534
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Speaker 2: had these discussions. Motes and I have had these discussions

535
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Speaker 2: about how when you get into a training camp setting,

536
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Speaker 2: there's only so many reps to go around. Like we

537
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Speaker 2: we talked about this last week when we were going

538
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Speaker 2: around the division and talking about now all the you know,

539
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Speaker 2: the bites at the apple that the Browns are going

540
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Speaker 2: to try and position, and how much of a is

541
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Speaker 2: it safe to say, like when you've got a guy

542
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Speaker 2: like Aaron Rodgers, you want him at training camp to

543
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Speaker 2: be able to get all the work that he's going

544
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Speaker 2: to want as much or his little new offense, new system,

545
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Speaker 2: new teammates, training camp at training camp. So in this setting,

546
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Speaker 2: let's let Will Howard get as much as possible, because

547
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Speaker 2: who knows, when we get the training camp there might

548
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Speaker 2: not be as you know, that slice of the pie

549
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Speaker 2: is going to be much more divvied up.

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Speaker 4: So even going back to the Rogers interview we played

551
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Speaker 4: in the first hour, Yeah, he said. You know, Mike

552
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Speaker 4: and I talked about how instead of me trying to

553
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Speaker 4: run an offense that I don't know yet you got

554
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Speaker 4: to sign two days ago or whatever, you know. I mean,

555
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Speaker 4: like he has some hints, but he's not going to

556
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Speaker 4: you know, call him plays and know where everyone's at.

557
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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna do individual. Let the other guys get

558
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Speaker 4: as many reps as they possibly could. I even said

559
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Speaker 4: last week, you know that those six days of Rudolph

560
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Speaker 4: running with the ones is really good because he's not

561
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Speaker 4: a new I mean, he's not new to the organization,

562
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Speaker 4: but he's new to the Arthur Smith offense. Yes, so

563
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Speaker 4: that's important. And Howard give him everything. I mean, I mean,

564
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Speaker 4: I keep thinking about the preseason Rogers. If it was

565
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Speaker 4: up to me, maybe Roger would play a series. Maybe

566
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Speaker 4: if he wants, you know whatever, Rudolph might play the

567
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Speaker 4: equivalent of three quarters or a half or something like that.

568
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Speaker 3: But I want Howard to play.

569
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Speaker 2: Like crazy, at least a half every game.

570
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Speaker 4: Yeah. And just while we're talking Howard, I want to

571
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Speaker 4: get back to Rogers and stuff, you know, Coach Somlin said, too.

572
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Speaker 4: But coincidentally, I just and I've been on you know,

573
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Speaker 4: steel a quarterback the last couple of days. Wonder why

574
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Speaker 4: that I watched the John Gruden special with quarterback in

575
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Speaker 4: quarterback camp before he was drafted, you know.

576
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Speaker 3: And I'm very, very impressive with Howard.

577
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Speaker 4: And I've always said that Howard to me from the

578
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Speaker 4: neck up is also great that he kind of reminds

579
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Speaker 4: me of like Frank Reich to Jim Kelly or Jason

580
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Speaker 4: Garrett to Aikman, like these Hall of Fame quarterbacks, yeah,

581
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Speaker 4: who have the long term backup. And I bring those

582
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Speaker 4: names up too because they went on to be head

583
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Speaker 4: coaches in the league, you know, like some of these

584
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Speaker 4: quarterbacks that are backups that end up being big time coaches.

585
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Speaker 4: I could see that being Howard's future. And I'm not

586
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Speaker 4: sure changing him as a player, because I think he

587
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Speaker 4: might surprise some people too. Some people I think are

588
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 4: a little too optimistic about him. Sure that was a

589
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Speaker 4: real and I urge people to check out YouTube and

590
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 4: just do a search for it because it's worth forty

591
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 4: five minutes of your life. You'll be even more impressed.

592
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Speaker 4: But I want him to play as much as possible

593
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Speaker 4: because I want him to be the next Rudolph. I've

594
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Speaker 4: been calling him next year's first round pick, Caddy, you know,

595
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Speaker 4: like that would be great. Yeah, I mean, with a

596
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Speaker 4: year under your belt and you know Whoever, if I'm

597
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: right and they do draft the guy in the first

598
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Speaker 4: round next year, he's gonna come in and be like

599
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Speaker 4: I remember watching you win the national title a year

600
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Speaker 4: before that.

601
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Speaker 3: He already has pelts on.

602
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Speaker 2: I was watching, I was watching you and how you

603
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Speaker 2: in Ohio State did all those games or.

604
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Speaker 4: You outdooled me or whatever you know it was. You know,

605
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Speaker 4: so I think giving him everything possible is super important,

606
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Speaker 4: and it's one of the benefits of Rogers not being

607
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Speaker 4: here the last two weeks is those two got a

608
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Speaker 4: lot of valuable stuff, earned some trust and credence of

609
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Speaker 4: their coaches and teammates.

610
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Speaker 3: And we mentioned it yesterday. I don't know if this

611
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Speaker 3: will be the case, but I bet it will be

612
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Speaker 3: as it was with Ben, as it is with Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 4: There's probably gonna be training camp days that Rogers takes

614
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Speaker 4: off right, right, Yeah.

615
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Speaker 3: I mean, and he should. I mean, that would be wonderful.

616
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Speaker 3: He'll know the offense by then. Great. Get these two

617
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Speaker 3: as much as they possibly can, but especially Howard.

618
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that makes a ton of sense, and

619
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Speaker 2: that I think is an is A is a is

620
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Speaker 2: another one of those like kind of misnomers that I think.

621
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Speaker 2: I think fans think that there's a well training camp.

622
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Speaker 2: There's just all the time in the world for these

623
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Speaker 2: guys to get reps and get work.

624
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Speaker 3: And not days anymore, not two days anymore.

625
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: Everything is capped now. And again once you start to

626
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: get to that point too, you're trying to get your

627
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: first team ready, you know, out here you want to

628
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: get a look at everybody, and there is an element

629
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Speaker 2: of that a training camp too, obviously, sure, but.

630
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Speaker 3: Better than Warren might pop up that oh wow, we

631
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: found a guy, you know.

632
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Speaker 2: But you really better be getting nothing Harris ready to

633
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Speaker 2: be the number one guy, right, I mean.

634
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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like like that's like going

635
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 4: back to the Browns thing, Like if if we make

636
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 4: the assumption that Flacco's a starter, he's gonna need some.

637
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Speaker 3: Reps with some I mean, he at least needs some work. Yeah,

638
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: I mean, you.

639
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: Gotta play in week one and all those other guys

640
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: don't get those reps. And you mentioned Rogers. I mean

641
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 4: it was kind of well known, like Peyton Manning's back

642
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 4: up that poor guy didn't get any snack enough of

643
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Speaker 4: Manning ones everyone, everyone, all the time, all the time,

644
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: all the time. I don't know if rogers that way

645
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 4: or not, but I think the way he phrased it

646
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: was give him whatever he wants.

647
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: Whatever he wants, Yes, if he wants a time, or

648
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Speaker 2: absolutely if he just wants off.

649
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Speaker 3: No problem.

650
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: Arms a little short take that you know right out ver, right,

651
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 4: or let Howard run with the ones his time he's

652
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: looking good, or you know, whatever you know.

653
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Speaker 3: But whatever he wants is the answer.

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Speaker 2: Just hopefully it won't be a sore calf from a

655
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Speaker 2: blocking sled, right, Probably won't. That's good to do that.

656
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Speaker 3: I bet he'd just laugh at them if they did that.

657
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 2: No, No, we'll do that on our private workouts in Malibui. Right,

658
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Speaker 2: I'll do that around here. Another break to get to here.

659
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Speaker 2: But when we come back to close down this hour,

660
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Speaker 2: some more on Aaron Rodgers offense. The final kind of

661
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Speaker 2: thoughts on some of the comments that have been made

662
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Speaker 2: over the last twenty four hours or so. We'll do

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Speaker 2: all of that to close down Hour number two was

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Speaker 2: Shuler Matt Williamson u pmc rooney Sports Complex for another

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Speaker 2: day of mini camp coverage here on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold, Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here from the upmc rooney Sports Complex,

671
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Speaker 2: West Shuler and Matt Williamson as we roll along with you,

672
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Speaker 2: approaching Wednesday afternoons, still technically Wednesday morning, but a walk

673
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Speaker 2: through in the books for the Steelers, a practice to

674
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Speaker 2: follow here a little over an hour from now. A

675
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Speaker 2: lot of sunshine, a lot of energy at Pittsburgh's like

676
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Speaker 2: the center of the sports universe this week. Matthew oh

677
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: with the golf, golf with Aaron Rodgers. The Buckos are

678
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Speaker 2: about to play the Buckos they and they've won like

679
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Speaker 2: eight of their last ten games. Don't look now, but

680
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Speaker 2: they're they're They're getting some press and everything that Paul

681
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Speaker 2: Skeens has going on. Of course, Penguins just introduced their

682
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Speaker 2: new head coach, Dan Muse this morning, so it's like

683
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Speaker 2: all happening here in western Pennsylvania. But obviously we are

684
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Speaker 2: focused on the football. We will hear Arthur Smith spoke

685
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Speaker 2: after this morning's walkthrough. We'll hear from him to start

686
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Speaker 2: the next hour.

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Speaker 4: But here's and real quick quick, guys, in case you

688
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Speaker 4: missed it in the beginning. Here this segment between the

689
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Speaker 4: walkthrough and then actual practice, they're gonna get lunch, they're

690
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: gonna get treatment, they might get taped up, they might

691
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Speaker 4: be right right right, They're definitely gonna be in some

692
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Speaker 4: sort of position meeting, maybe the offense all meet together,

693
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Speaker 4: or a special teams meeting. So they're they're they're doing

694
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Speaker 4: stuff now in between. But this is like their typical Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

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Speaker 4: from what I understand.

696
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Speaker 2: And that's the you know, if if we had a X,

697
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Speaker 2: if we had Starks or Motes or one of those

698
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Speaker 2: guys sitting with us here. Yeah, that's the main difference.

699
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Speaker 2: The main difference between OTA's and Mini camp isn't necessarily

700
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Speaker 2: what's going on out here, it's what's going on inside

701
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Speaker 2: and the walls behind us. Yeah, exactly during during ot as,

702
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Speaker 2: you might come in a little early, get your workout in,

703
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Speaker 2: go out practice, and then your days over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Here it's much more structured, like you said there, it's

706
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Speaker 2: like treatment there's meetings, there's a bunch of different things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's the season.

708
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Speaker 2: It's like it's the season.

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Speaker 3: One more thing to learn of the operation here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly right, closer to training camp style, like it's

711
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Speaker 2: the regular season again. Kind of an all part of

712
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Speaker 2: that linear process to ramping themselves up for when we

713
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Speaker 2: get to September and the real things happened.

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Speaker 4: I think Rogers even said in his interview, He's like,

715
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Speaker 4: not these guys have names on their in their jerseys, right,

716
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Speaker 4: I wasn't sure where what rooms I'm supposed to go to,

717
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: you know, Like.

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Speaker 2: I ask the jersey Aaron Rodgers is wearing right now,

719
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Speaker 2: what Corless Weightman was probably wearing, you know what I mean,

720
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Speaker 2: Just hey, let's take that off. Let's watch it a

721
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Speaker 2: few times to here you go before we get the

722
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Speaker 2: real you know, in season ones. But yeah, it's it's

723
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Speaker 2: it's all part of the process here, and it's all

724
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Speaker 2: you know, we've used the analogies, this, the school analogies

725
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: and all those different things going forward. But obviously now

726
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Speaker 2: with the addition of number eight out here h and

727
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers being signed, sealed and delivered, it's starting to

728
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Speaker 2: feel more like the real thing. You can start, you

729
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: can start to have more, you know, real good faith

730
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Speaker 2: conversations about the real thing. And I ask you, with

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Speaker 2: that in mind, Matt, how now that now that again,

732
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Speaker 2: because we've all thought since March that this was going

733
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Speaker 2: to happen, But now that it has, how do expectations

734
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Speaker 2: change for you for the Pittsburgh Steelers as we sit

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Speaker 2: here today as to you know, maybe where we were

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: I would say playoff competitiveness is one way to put it. Now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to guarantee they're going to win a

739
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Speaker 4: playoff game, or win the division or even get in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, but I sure like their chance is a

741
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 4: lot better of making noise in the postseason. Yes, I mean,

742
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Speaker 4: I guess that's one way of putting it. Then, in

743
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Speaker 4: certainly in recent years. Rob King joined us yesterday, and

744
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: you know, I think he was dead on. He says,

745
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 4: I think this roster is better than last year's, and

746
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Speaker 4: I think I would agree with that. I think last

747
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 4: year was better than the year before. You know, so

748
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: the organization, the roster, the team building I think is

749
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Speaker 4: continually taking steps in the right direction, particularly in the trenches,

750
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Speaker 4: you know, is a start. And now I think you're

751
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Speaker 4: better at the most important position, so that should be

752
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Speaker 4: the expectations. And Tom and I went through the AFC,

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Speaker 4: and you know, does this His question was this, does

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Speaker 4: this change your pecking order or your tiers or your

755
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Speaker 4: AFC power ranking?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

757
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Speaker 4: And I said, well, the Chiefs, Ravens, and Bills are

758
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Speaker 4: in their own tier, and this does not put the

759
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Speaker 4: Steelers there for me, but I think they can hang

760
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Speaker 4: with basically anyone in that next group. Yeah, you know, Chargers, Broncos, Bengals.

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Speaker 4: You know, maybe the Texans are a little better than

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Speaker 4: those guys. We'll see, but you know, that's the neighborhood

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Speaker 4: you're firmly in and where you should at least, you know,

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Speaker 4: compete throughout the year.

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Speaker 2: You know. I I completely agree with that, and it

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Speaker 2: feels like like I like, and I'll continue to go

767
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Speaker 2: back to this, I'm sure probably throughout the off season. Now,

768
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Speaker 2: the Toby Keith line that you that you uh or

769
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Speaker 2: for us there, that you butchered for us ain't as

770
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Speaker 2: good as I once was. But I'm as good once

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Speaker 2: as I ever was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a lot of the theme here,

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Speaker 3: you know, last.

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Speaker 2: Year, and particularly down the stretch when the Steelers lost

775
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 2: those four straight games entering the playoffs and you know,

776
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: stumbled into the postseason, it felt like, Okay, you might

777
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: have a tiny chance to go into Baltimore and turn

778
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 2: your fortunes around. I don't think any of us were

779
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: feeling it. I don't think any of us were feeling great.

780
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Speaker 2: But it's the Ravens. You know them, well, you'd still

781
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: won five your last six against them, or four of

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Speaker 2: your last five against them.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a three point game, whatever it was.

784
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Speaker 2: But then if somehow you would have, let's play the

785
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: hypothetical that you know, you would have found a way

786
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Speaker 2: to go into Baltimore and get a win last year,

787
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Speaker 2: I don't think many people would have been feeling that

788
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: there was much of a chance the following week going

789
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Speaker 2: into Buffalo or going into Kansas City, right, or.

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Speaker 4: Even the past two years going into Buffalo in Kansas City, right,

791
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 4: there was a whole lot of hope. Correct, Correct, anyone

792
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: can win on any given Sunday, we know that, But

793
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Speaker 4: where is this year?

794
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Speaker 3: Anyone was picking the Steelers to win outright?

795
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Speaker 2: Now, Where's where is this year? If you get into

796
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: a wild Card game and maybe you beat the Texans

797
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: and go to go to Houston or LA or something

798
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: crazy like that.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I think I think there is. There's much more realistic possibility.

801
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: There's much more optimism that you can hang with those

802
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: super Bowl favorites. I think you're right. I don't think

803
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: this makes the Steelers a super Bowl favorite, but I

804
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: think it at least gives you optimism that you can

805
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: hang with the super Bowl favorites. And I think it

806
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: gives you optimism that by the time December rolls around,

807
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: maybe you could be a super Bowl contender.

808
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: Maybe not in that.

809
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: Favorite vein with the Eagles and the Chiefs, right, but maybe,

810
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: like you mentioned in that next.

811
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Speaker 3: Group, if you're running the ball well on your defense

812
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: is pretty dominant, you might be like.

813
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: Hey, we're not the Lions, we're not the Eagles, we're

814
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: not the Chiefs, but we get a bounce or two, right,

815
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: win a turnover battle, right, Bosworth's.

816
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: A great kicker and he wins us one at the end,

817
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: or you know what I mean. I mean, I don't

818
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: think that's insane to think about. And I guess the

819
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: way i'd sum it up is the ceiling got higher.

820
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Speaker 2: The ceiling got higher.

821
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not astronomical through the through the roof, the

822
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: highest one in the league, but.

823
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: It's definitely higher than it's been the higher two years, right,

824
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, maybe even higher than it's been since Ben's

825
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Speaker 2: elbow injury.

826
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Speaker 4: I think so, I think that should be the expectations.

827
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Speaker 4: And if Rogers plays the whole year and they're not

828
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: destroyed by injuries, and heaven forbid they only win five games,

829
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 4: well yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, yeah, no, and and that's hey, those

831
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: are the things that we won't know until we know.

832
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: But here here is.

833
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 3: Bad stuff coming.

834
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: There's a lot of bad a lot of a lot

835
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Speaker 2: of potential for injury, a lot of that stuff.

836
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: But you got to kind of true with the chiefs

837
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 3: and builds and right.

838
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely listen, Patrick Mahomes could pick up a serious injury.

839
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen could pick up a serious injury. There's a

840
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different things that can happen between

841
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: now and September and then now and the holidays and

842
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: the and the playoff push in the postseason.

843
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: The watch situation needs to get ironed out. Yeah, I mean,

844
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: that's the next story we're gonna be talking about.

845
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that certainly is and I don't have

846
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: too much of a concern level there. I know a

847
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: lot of people are pointing out that, you know, four

848
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: years ago at this time when it was kind of

849
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: a similar uh contract time for TJ, that he was

850
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: here doing the hold end thing, and is this totally

851
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: different now, because yeah, I still a lot of that.

852
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: To me, is is is just different noise? You know

853
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: that I I I'm still supribly confident that at some point,

854
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: probably in early August during training camp, we'll get that

855
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: news that'll break. It'll be the nice pep in the

856
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: step for everybody in the middle of dog days of camp.

857
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: There'll be excitement in the cafeteria and in the locker

858
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: rooms that you know that that they got it done.

859
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 2: We've seen this fish before.

860
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure that there's been talks going on

861
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 4: for the better part of a year. I mean, I'm

862
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: sure they're in the same ballpark. And I don't have

863
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: much concern that it will get done. I'm sure they

864
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 4: wanted to get done, oh, no doubt. And you know,

865
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 4: I think he wants it to get done. And I

866
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 4: know we're not allowed to report on things, but DK

867
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: metcalf just walked right from the table, and I wouldn't

868
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 4: want to press him at the line of scrimmage.

869
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: I would not. No, I'm good on that, and let

870
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: me ask let me ask you that too, because I

871
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: think Aaron Rodgers is low hanging fruit but obviously probably

872
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: number one on all of our lists of most excited

873
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: to see will get when we get the camp and yeah,

874
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: and we we'll see it. We've seen them doing the

875
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: little things out here, but it's it's obviously not the

876
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: full gam but it was dk number two on that

877
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: list of most excited when we get to li Trope

878
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: in July. Yeah, like when the speed really picks up

879
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: and the pads.

880
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 4: Go on, right, right, Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean,

881
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 4: draft picks are always high on that list. Now, there's

882
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 4: no question.

883
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: I think guys like like Troy Fultanu are going to

884
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: be high on that this year as well.

885
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: Get a double dose of draft picks too, you know,

886
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: dual first.

887
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: Rounders sleigh certainly right, right, right.

888
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: Rookies are always high on that list, no matter what

889
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 4: camp it is. If it's three thousand, twenty thirty three,

890
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: we're about the.

891
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: First right, exactly exactly right, So that's.

892
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 3: High on the list. But yes, I think your answer

893
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: is dead on.

894
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: Keanu Benton would be high on that list for me

895
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: to just heading into a third year.

896
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 3: Broderty Jones.

897
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 2: Another great one. Even the guy like Zach Frasier too,

898
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, and turning this process now is the unquestioned guy.

899
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: And let me ask you.

900
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 3: About one on ones Fraser versus Heyward.

901
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the kind.

902
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: Of stuff you're gonna see now, Like, Okay, if you

903
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: are one of the top three centers, you're got to

904
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 4: deal with guys like.

905
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: Right, And you didn't see as much of that last

906
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: year because it was more of him against guys like

907
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: the Marvin Leal and louder Mirale and Keanu Betton at

908
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: that time too.

909
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 4: And people forget the day Herbig was injured. He was

910
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: the starting center, right, you know that hadn't happened.

911
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: Yet, right now, exactly right, Zach was was? I mean,

912
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: we had seen him, I think, get a little bit

913
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: of work with the Ones, but it was looking promising

914
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: and I think we all thought that there was a possibility,

915
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 2: certainly that we would see him sooner rather than later.

916
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was still there. It was still Nate.

917
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: It was still Nate Herbig's spot when he had that

918
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: unfortunate injury. Let me ask you about Zach as it

919
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: kind of relates to this conversation and we're talking oh

920
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: line now too. Benefits detriments, the good the bad of

921
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: first year veteran Hall of Fame credentials, super Bowl champion,

922
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, second year now to even another extent, four time,

923
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: four time NFL MVP, super Bowl champion, future Hall of Famer,

924
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: one of the best to ever do it in Aaron Rodgers.

925
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: Benefit for Zach Frasier of getting to work with two

926
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: guys like that right out of the shoot. Might it

927
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: be better in an ideal situation to have somebody to

928
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: grow with? Or is that okay? You can get that

929
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: down on the line, Like, what what do you think

930
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: of the opportunity that he has now to work with

931
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: a guy like this after a pretty good start with

932
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: guys like you know, Russell Wilson and Justin Field's NFL

933
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: quarterbacks as well too.

934
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: I said it at a bunch yesterday that I just

935
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 4: think Rogers presence has.

936
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: A massive intellectual.

937
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: Trickle down effect to everybody on offense, the whole team,

938
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 4: but especially everyone on offense. Of little things like and

939
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: especially a center because I'm sure Rogers is going to

940
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: do all the protections and things like that too. That

941
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 4: doesn't mean Fraser can't handle those things, but they're gonna

942
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 4: have to work in unison like a pouncy bend situation.

943
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, and I keep putting myself

944
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 4: ahead of this, but I do think there's a big

945
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: picture here that well, what if they have a rookie

946
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: first round quarterback next year?

947
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: Totally and now Fraser has two years.

948
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: Under his belt with big time established in one of

949
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: the best minds ever at the quarterback position, to you know,

950
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: to go back on, Yeah, this is how we did

951
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 4: it with the pretty good base left Okay, sign up

952
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: right right?

953
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 2: Know that that makes a ton of sense. Yeah, from

954
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: that standpoint of just how does this guy prepare? How

955
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: does this guy, like you said, diagnose coverage? What's his

956
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: preparation like quick about it, right, What's what's what's his

957
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: preparation throughout the week that allows him to get to

958
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: that point on on game day? Verse the twenty years

959
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: of experience that he has in the week to week,

960
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: Like I think.

961
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 3: It all the little tricks does too.

962
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: I keep bringing up because he's the best I've ever

963
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 4: seen at it, like defensive subbing and here we got

964
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: qui guys on the field boom, you know, you know

965
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: that kind of we're.

966
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 2: Gonna free play real quick here and take a shot

967
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: and see what happens.

968
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: Every little loophole or you know, every little edge he

969
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 4: can get he always maximizes.

970
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the trickle down effect of that is real

971
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: for everybody on the offense. But I think for a

972
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: for a center, a young one, and.

973
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: Young line in general too.

974
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a that's I mean, that's a great point.

975
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: Other than Isaac Sayamala, they're all gonna be on their

976
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: rookie deals stilm. It's it's it's good to have what

977
00:41:59,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: you want.

978
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: People about it, And it was definitely true at the

979
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: end of Ben's career too, like of course, these guys

980
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 4: always give one hundred percent, but man, I don't want

981
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 4: the forty one. Let get hit, you know what I mean,

982
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 4: Like Ben when he was in his prime, or Josh Allen,

983
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: Like I blew a block or I blew my sign.

984
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: The guy but I didn't get but I shrugged, you know,

985
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: the quarterback shrugged it off. I mean, like I'm not

986
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: letting that guy ever get hit. Like we the the

987
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: pleasure of working with the.

988
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: Wolf all the time, I was hoping you were going

989
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: to tell this story, right.

990
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: He would always talk about like man if I because

991
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: a Bradshaw was.

992
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: Because the end, by the time the wolves got drafted.

993
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: Rings on his finger. I am not going to be

994
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: the one that lets Bradshaw think it hit.

995
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: I am not going to be I'll hold and claw

996
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: bite everybody. I'll get whatever personal penalty I have to, right,

997
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: but that won't be me. You know, there's there's absolutely

998
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: an element of that too.

999
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: Sure the young guy is not letting the old quarterback

1000
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: getting blasted, you.

1001
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: Know, without a doubt, like the standard that you want

1002
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: to uphold of taking care of this guy, protecting this guy,

1003
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: and I think to just the the onus that that

1004
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: will give them all going going forward, you know, working work,

1005
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: getting to.

1006
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: Work with his presence his belt here.

1007
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And like you said, hopefully when he's gone,

1008
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: that's still going to remain in the sense of what

1009
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: these guys can pick up from him in the next

1010
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, eight nine months or so or potentially you've

1011
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: been into next year as well too.

1012
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: Like I don't think if there's shadows and echoes of

1013
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: Joe Green in this out in this building still, you know,

1014
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 4: I mean, like people that are that established and have

1015
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 4: that kind of influence don't totally go away.

1016
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 3: You know, there's a legacy.

1017
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, You're you're absolutely right, there's there's still

1018
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: James Ferrier echoes in these in these hallways, you know,

1019
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: from next year at this thing, hundred hundred percent. So yeah,

1020
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: I think, you know, absolutely right. Like I think, leader,

1021
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: it's huge for everybody on that offensive line, big for

1022
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: Zach Frasier, and as you have mentioned too, just with

1023
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: the Creed Humphrey and Mahomes factor, it's always good for

1024
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: a center to be on TV, to be in discussions,

1025
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: to be getting looked at more often with their quarterback

1026
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: being kind of the center of attention.

1027
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 3: Right now, just tired and all of a sudden, like.

1028
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: In that level exactly right, finding himself on some of

1029
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: those lists already, and and a year with Aaron Rodgers

1030
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: I think will only help that cause certainly.

1031
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: Has been the case my entire life. The Steelers once

1032
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: again one of the best centers in the league.

1033
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: You know, certain things edge rushers centers, it feels like

1034
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: They're always towards the top of the packing order in

1035
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 2: that regard, and they change their head coach about as

1036
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: often as we change the roof on our homes. Two

1037
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 2: hours in the books, another hour ago. We will hear

1038
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: what Arthur Smith had to say when we return here

1039
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: from the Steelers offensive coordinator. Continue some of these conversations

1040
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: on the offensive side of the football as we roll

1041
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: along West Yuler Matt Williamson Special edition of The Drive

1042
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: here on Steelers Nation Radio and the Steelers Audio Network