1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Andy and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: I've never told you protection of I heart Radio, So 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I wanted I've been wanting to bring back this classic 4 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: for a while. Um, it is a feminist movie Friday. 5 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: It is not Friday as this comes out. It is 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: in fact Saturday, but who knows when you're listening to it. 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: But it is the first thing we did, and it's 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: the one we did on Alien. We're so excited throughout 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: you could just feel it through the audio leaves. It 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: has also been featured in several other podcasts and all 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: the other lists to listen to because they were like, 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: oh my god, she does you specifically do an amazing 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: job and talking about the allegories behind it, the metaphors, 14 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: all of it, the symbolism, and they're like, yes, I 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: feel like this really just opened up the genre of 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: your Your Love and kind of like crossover to Movie 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: Crush anyway. So absolutely you have made yourself a legend 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: with this one. I did talk about it on Movie Crush. Um, 19 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: so you can go check that episode out as well. 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: If if this is you want more after this, we wouldn't. 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 1: But I wondering this that because you know, Samitha, you're 22 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: asking when we got We were so lucky to get 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: our Sminty team together digitally for an episode. Recently, we 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: were talking about holiday traditions. We have one that I 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: used to have when we were growing up was we 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: would go see a movie, usually on the twenty third, 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: but sometimes on Christmas Eve, and it was like a 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: big every year. We would talked about what movie We're 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: going to see and I loved it because I do 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: love movies, and a lot of like when you were saying, 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, Harry Potter is kind of straling that line 32 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: of Christmas movies. A lot of times it would be 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: Christmas movies, it would be a Harry Potter movie. I 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: would win because they come out around that time. They 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: used to come out around that time. But there's kind 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: of a notorious instance where my older brother chose star 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: Trek Nemesis even though he knew I had a fear 38 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: of aliens, and I couldn't sleep at all that night, 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: not because I thought Sanna was coming, but because I 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: was scared. But I was just thinking about that and 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: about this movie and how badly it would have scared 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: me if I saw it. When I was younger, so 43 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: in the holiday spirit of a tradition I used to have. 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and 45 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: Samantha and welcome to Stuffman Never told you production of 46 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio's House to works. And today, finally, finally, 47 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: I have waited so long, we're talking about alien Alien 48 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: not Aliens. Yes, I already corrected, there have. I've van 49 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: yelled at a few times actually in the last week, 50 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: not only by you, but the friend. He continues like, 51 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: it's alien. Well, and I was saying, I completely understand 52 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: that mistake because I actually saw Aliens first, because I 53 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: didn't realize it wasn't a one two situations. The sequel 54 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: is Aliens with an S directed by James Cameron, but 55 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: that's not the one we're talking about today, although we 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: will mention it. Um, we're going to be talking about 57 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine release Scott film Aliens. So if 58 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: you somehow, some way haven't seen it and don't want 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: to be spoiled, then you may want to skip this one. 60 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: Trigger warning too for sexual assault and rape and discussion 61 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: of disturbing sexual imagery. Yes, um, and I know longtime 62 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: listeners of this show should be celebrating for me because 63 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: I said, I think in the very first episode, I 64 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: just want to talk about aliens, and here we are 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: and here we are yes, because it is the fortieth 66 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: anniversary of Alien correct right, and it is back in 67 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: theaters for a few days beginning October, So this is 68 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: a chance to see it on the big screen if 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: you want. Um, and we of course went or will 70 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: be going depending on when you listen to right um. 71 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: For research, this is some of the best research. I 72 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: will say we started our research early because I refused 73 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: to do this episode until I watched it, because I 74 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: knew this was going to be a probably four hour 75 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: episode with your excitement and your um what is it? Zeal? Zeal? 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: Thank you to continue and to talk about it, and 77 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm really excited with you. So I'm like, okay, cool, 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: let me watch this. And I did watch it. I 79 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: didn't have commentary, but there was a lot of commentary 80 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: from both sides of me because I'm like, what's happening? Okay? What? Okay? 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: What to? A lot of explanations, told a lot of 82 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: here it comes moments? Are that a few times? Um? 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: So I did we did already kind of do a 84 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: view research yes, um, but it's not going to be. 85 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't in theater, so and I promise to keep quiet. 86 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you had the chance to be able 87 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: to get all of your excitement out so that when 88 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: we're in the theater you wouldn't do that, right. I 89 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: still want to do one viewing and you don't have 90 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: to go, but I want to do one with a 91 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: theme like cocktail that's red, and just the whole thing 92 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: is just discussion and hey, you know I'm always down 93 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: with alcohol. Just to be sitting there and nodding, you'll 94 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: just let me get it out, Let me get it out, 95 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: like yes, here we go. Um. And yeah, this was 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: something I was very excited to share with you and 97 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: with anyone who hasn't seen it or has only seen 98 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: it once or twice in passing. And you haven't taken 99 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: this critical feminist lens to it because you will not 100 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: be able to unsee all the stuff we're talking about. 101 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: So if you happen to not want to watch it 102 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: with a feminist lens, maybe skip it as well. But 103 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: I think it's fun yea. And yeah, I have told 104 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: the story on the show before, I think, But um, 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: thanks to a truly epic and very mean and honestly 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: successful prank my older brother played on me. I was 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: terrified of aliens like the Trope, the Thing, the Monster 108 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: and movies and so fairly fairly recently. I didn't see 109 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: ET an Independence Day until I think a couple of 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: years ago. Um, my friends made me watch ET after 111 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: we wrote the ET Ride at Universal, and I was like, wait, 112 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: what is what? What? Yeah, it's very different than the movie. 113 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: I've got to say the Ride the only movie I've 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: ever walked out on because the fear was lost in 115 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: space and yes, I know that's not a great movie, 116 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: but I was scared and I left. Um, and I 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: almost walked out on signs. I would have walked out 118 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: if my friends hadn't been there, and I was too embarrassed. 119 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: I will say, of all three of these movies, I've 120 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: only seen E T Really Yeah, because you know, I 121 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of told you already I'm not a big sci 122 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: fi fan, so the idea of aliens has never been, 123 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: uh something that I've been really really interested in seeing. 124 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: The vampires, give me ghosts, give me demons, get you 125 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,559 Speaker 1: all of those all day, but technically aliens, I'm like, Okay, 126 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: cool whatever. Sure, yeah, so what cool? Um? And I 127 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: did have on my list. I had two movies that 128 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: because I was trying to get over this fear actively. 129 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: And the two movies I had at the top of 130 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: my list working my way up was Event Horizon and Aliens, 131 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: because again I didn't realize that there was an alien 132 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: before that, and I cried during Aliens. I was so afraid. 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: But I got over it and you love it. Yeah, 134 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Now I'm like, wow this And I was fortunate enough 135 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: to get to walk through this really scary alien set 136 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: piece at the movie UM in London. That was pretty cool. Alright. 137 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: So that is a lot of exposition. Let's get into 138 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: the episode here, because we do have a lot to say, 139 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: or I have a lot to say, and Samantha's very 140 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: patient with me. To start with Aliens, Yes, a nineteen 141 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: seventeen and sci fi horror movie distributed by twentieth Century Fox, 142 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: directed by Ridley Scott, written by Dan O'Bannon and starring 143 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Sigourney Weaver. Amazing Sigourney Weaver. Yes, and I watched Kevin 144 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: in the Woods last night and I forgot she's in it. 145 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: That was one of the prime moments of Candid yes, yes, yes, 146 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 1: um okay. So O'Bannon, the writer, was looking to ride 147 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: the success of Star Wars with a different type of 148 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: space story. It was pitched as Jaws in space. I 149 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: can see that. Ridley Scott described it as Texas Chainsaw Massacre, 150 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: but science fiction, and we should mention he gets sold credit. 151 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: O'Bannon does for the script, but a handful of others 152 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: made pretty big contributions with which led to a lot 153 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of tension. So yeah, of course. Anyway, the story involves 154 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: the crew of the Nostromo, a commercial spaceship kind of 155 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: like a space tow truck, and their encounter with the 156 00:08:54,600 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: quote perfect organism alien. The main character, though you probably 157 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't know it for the first act of the film, 158 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: is Sigourney Weavers Ellen Ripley, the capable and cool headed 159 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: senior officer. One of the posters came with the iconic 160 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: tagline in space, no one can hear you scream. Okay, 161 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: I guess that's right unless you're in although in the 162 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: movie you don't hear them scream it. Yeah you did somehow. 163 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: There's a moment where I think they were playing with it, 164 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: but then you do hear them scream so I was like, well, 165 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: it was like it's very muted though, or music is 166 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: blaring over it. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was a choice. 167 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: It was. I don't know if it was like for 168 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: a reason, yeah, exactly. Um the poster also, by the way, 169 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: that is just an egg on the front. Okay. Both 170 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: audiences and critics praised the film, and it went on 171 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: to win the Oscar for Best Visual Effects, three Saturn Awards, 172 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: and a Hugo Award. Several film critics regarded as one 173 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: of the best films of all time. It gross about 174 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: two hundred million at the box office. In two thousand two, 175 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: The Library of Congress added it to their National Film Registry, 176 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: calling it culturally historically are esthetically significant. The American Film 177 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: Institute placed it at seventh place on their list of 178 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: best sci fi films. In two thousand eight, An Empire 179 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: put it into thirty third place when ranking best movies 180 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: of all time. Also, speaking ride, there used to be 181 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: I would love if a listener could write it and 182 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: confirm this, But I feel like there was a ride 183 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: called Alien Encounter, and I remember it being in Magic 184 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: Kingdom where Leelo and Stitches. Now, but that can't be right, right, 185 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: that can't be right. It was in Magic Kingdom. What well, 186 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: super producer Andrew confirms it, and my mind is blown. 187 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: I just feel like it was really scary for Magic Kingdom. 188 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: It is very scary. Um. Yeah, it was for people 189 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: who don't know. You were in a chair and like 190 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: there was the alien was in the in a tube 191 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: in front of you, and then of course it gets 192 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: out out and you fill it breathing on your neck 193 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: and then you get sprayed with blood as it kills somebody. 194 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: It was very intense. I can see why they may 195 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: be replaced it with Leelo and Stitch, where it's now 196 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: kind of a funny ride. Um. Anyway, my mom and 197 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: dad used to tell me about their experience seeing this 198 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: movie in the theaters for the first time, which I 199 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: find funny for several reasons. But they also went on 200 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: to get married on which is the day that it premiered, 201 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: which I'm sure is a coincidence. But they told me 202 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: people were running, puking, screaming, um, that they avoided looking 203 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: at the poster after seeing it because it scared them 204 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, my dad popcorns up in the air. Yeah. 205 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, not too many 206 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: things at the time. People haven't seen too many things 207 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: like that. Wasn't that in the same era as Halloween? 208 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: And it was, Yeah, it was close. Um, but like 209 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: in space people passed out during a New Hope because 210 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: the spaceship in the beginning just kept going on. So, 211 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, interesting. And I am playing the video game 212 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: Alien Isolation right now, which is a game where the 213 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: alien can hear you as in the player, as in me, 214 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: whatever is happening in my real life environment, and it 215 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: uses that in the game. And I've died any many times. 216 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't the recommendation to you about sit wearing headphones 217 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: so you can hear even louder, Yeah, because it's it's 218 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: surround sound and you can hear it in front of you. 219 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: So this film success went on to inspire a franchise. 220 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: Seven more films to date, if we include the Alien 221 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: Versus Predator films, which I also haven't seen those, not really, 222 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: they're not really the books, comics, video games, and toys. 223 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: Pretty impressive for R rated film. Yeah, the toys thing. Yeah, 224 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: I can't think of too many other our movies. I 225 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: guess like serial Killers or you know, like Monsters. Oh, yeah, 226 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: I think there wasn't actually like Halloween Jason Toy Freddy 227 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: Cougar Toy, which is really weird. Yeah, I'll think about 228 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: that later. And yes, aliens, the of motherhood, abortion, fear 229 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: of sexual assault, post humanism and sex in general, machines, 230 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: corporations putting technology, weaponry, and scientific discovery about the welfare 231 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: of people. Some people have even interpreted the film as 232 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: a metaphor for women's refusal to bear children. So, yes, 233 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: there is an actual reason why we're talking about it. 234 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: It's not because I'm just a huge fan. It has 235 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of feminist issues and just kind of anxieties 236 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: around well, as you have already discovered because researching there's 237 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: so many articles and YouTube videos of these theories of 238 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: how this is portraying the patriarchy as well as versus 239 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: like feminism, what is this whole idea of one woman 240 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: being independent, being a leader, all of these different And 241 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: of course I know you're gonna talking more about it, 242 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: but birthing and vaginas, but yes, yes, specifically burning gam 243 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: vaginas no joke. Yeah, I am definitely not the only 244 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: one who has put some thought into this by far. 245 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: And I'm actually really relieved because I was watching that 246 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: movie Simil recently. I'm like, I think this is got 247 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot going on with vaginas and stuff, And then 248 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad I wasn't wrong. I wasn't way off base 249 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: with that one um from Tom shown over at Slate. 250 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: Quote Alien has issues. It has mommy issues and sex 251 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: issues as a thing for strong women who it also 252 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: likes to augle in their undies. It's a hot mess 253 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: of Fordian fever dream with its crabby and post coital atmosphere. 254 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: It's rebirthing imagery. It's queasily gynecological production design. It's night 255 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: sweat of male anxiety, a particularly horrifying confusion of the 256 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: sexual gynecological with the gastro intestinal, wrote James Kavanaugh from 257 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: Son of a Bitch, Feminism, Humanism, and science. An Alien 258 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: of the famous John Hurt birth scene in which a 259 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: quote razor tooth phallic monster gnaws its way through his 260 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: stomach into the light a kind of science fiction Faullston tatus. 261 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, m hmmm. So the movie came out during 262 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: a tumultuous time in our society. So Rod versus Wade 263 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: had just recently passed, and gender and social politics, what 264 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: are changing rapidly with the help of the second White feminism. 265 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Not only that, but people increasingly had environmental concerns from pesticides, 266 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: chemicals in our foods, and cancer is caused by humans. Yeah, 267 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: like human whatever we're up to. Um. So, yeah, let's 268 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about the feminism of this movie. If you 269 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: search for most feminist hartor movies of all time, Alien 270 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: is almost guaranteed to make the list. And if you 271 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: just search this movie and feminism itself, yeah, you will 272 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: find pages and pages of thing pieces about it, some 273 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: lauding its accomplishments, some decrying its flaws. This movie is 274 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: frequently examined through a feminist lens, seen as progressive for 275 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: its time, while nitpicked for not going far enough, or 276 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: sometimes in the context of how little the rest of 277 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: the series has come in terms of feminism since that 278 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: first one. Once described as quote, a rape movie with 279 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: male victims are an examination of the monstrous feminine. And yes, 280 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: before you write in all no men can be and 281 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: are the victims of rape as well, But this is 282 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: how people have described it. Dan O'Bannon, the writer himself, 283 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: claimed that to him, the movie examined the male fear 284 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: of penetration, in which case I suppose we could add 285 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: in homophobia in the general conversation here. Um, here's a 286 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: quote from him. One thing that people are all disturbed 287 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: about is sex. I said, that's how I'm going to 288 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: attack the audience. I'm going to attack them sexually, and 289 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go after the women in the audience. 290 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to attack them men. I'm going to put 291 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: in every image I can think of to make the 292 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: men in the audience cross their legs, homosexual, oral rape, birth. 293 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: The thing lays its eggs down your throat the whole number. 294 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: So that's the creator himself. Uh yeah, And that scene 295 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: where it attacks like attaches to that guy's face, what's 296 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: the character ash, that's the Okay, Okay, that's right Kane's face. 297 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: That was really felt like and very very disturbing in 298 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: every sense. Right, and and I want to go into that, 299 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: but before it will make sense, let's talk about how 300 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: this creature works and embrace yourself perhaps terrifying the thing is. 301 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: So the queen lays eggs and you actually don't see 302 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: that until the second one, but there's this big queen. 303 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: She lays eggs. When the eggs hatch. The resulting creatures 304 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: are called face huggers, and they find something living and 305 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: in this case um humans to latch onto. As the 306 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: name applies, They usually latch onto someone's face, wrapping their 307 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: tail around the victim's throat and inserting their proboscis down 308 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: their throat and forcing them to become the host for 309 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: their baby. If you can call it that organism, I 310 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: guess it's a frightening, disturbing act, very very close to 311 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: oral rape. And I believe in the second one you 312 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: get a closer look at it, and it does look 313 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 1: very vaginal, and then there's a proboscis that looks very phallic. 314 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: So it's kind of been described as this combination hugger. 315 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: I was going to say, when they exam and face hugger, 316 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: it looked a lot like the Clinton of vagina, and 317 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: I was like, what, what's WHOA, Yeah, that's very very obvious. 318 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: It is quite obvious. The first victim was deliberately chosen 319 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: to be male, and yes, his name was Kane ash Um, 320 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: who you later find out is an android, but he's 321 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: the science officer on the ship. He refers to the 322 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: organism inside Kane as Kane's son, a reference to the 323 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: biblical Kane, whose sons were born outside of God's laws 324 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 1: and were therefore quite monstrous. I did not pick up 325 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: on this until this last time we watched it. Once 326 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: the organism is ready inside the its host stomach, it 327 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: burst out of the victim's stomach and this is called 328 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: a chest burster. This was also famously parodied and Spaceballs, 329 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: which you the one I remembered. I was like dining diner, 330 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: and and then my friend was the one that said, 331 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: what's the scene where the tap dance? Yes, hello, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 332 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: all right, And then from there it grows very very rapidly, 333 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: like hours, into a full grown creature called a zeno 334 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: morph And I'm sure Now I'm not sure at all 335 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: because you, all of you listeners probably don't traffic in 336 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: the same nursery that I do. But I see a 337 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: lot of YouTube videos that's like explained the morphology of 338 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: the zeno more of for the life cycle of xeno 339 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: more because it is kind of confusing, right, but those 340 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: are essentially the life that's the life cycle is. I 341 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: would never question it because I'm like, a's an alien? 342 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: What rational like what kind of rationale do you put 343 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: to that is an alien? How do we know something 344 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: that we don't know? I think it just confuses people 345 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: that the face hugger essentially dies, it puts your egg in, 346 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: It puts its egg in you. And that was twenty 347 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: thousand questions I did ask him, like, wait, why if 348 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: that's the egg, why isn't the egg thing? And what 349 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: does it need to do one more extra step than 350 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: just doing that? Because what it needs a gestation period 351 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: in it. It's sometimes enough other movies it like takes 352 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: the DNA of the host of I guess because I 353 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: was very confused, like if it's already in the egg 354 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: then and it's been birth out of that egg, which 355 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: hatches out of it's been birthed, So why is it 356 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: doing it again? What is happening? We did have that moment, 357 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: we did, and um. One more thing about them is 358 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: they bleed acid. And this was done on purpose because 359 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: the director and the writers were like, why would they 360 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: not just shoot them? Oh, I know, they bleed acid 361 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: and we'll destroy your space ship. Yeah they worked. Okay, 362 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: so that establishes the alien some of the things that 363 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about. UM, but we do have a character 364 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: that's been pretty big in the genre since then. But 365 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: first we have a quick break for word from response 366 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. And another thing that 367 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: comes up when you're talking about feminism and alien is, 368 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: of course Ripley, who. For listeners who have heard, I believe, 369 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: the first episode I ever did as full time host 370 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: was Final Girl. She is frequently pointed to as one 371 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: of the original Final Girls, which is someone usually virginal 372 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: who a woman who survives to the end of an 373 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: onslaught in horror movies. So when it comes to our 374 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: main protagonist, Ellen Ripley, many of you have probably heard, 375 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: um Ridley Scott asked for both male and female actors 376 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: to read the part. It wasn't gender. They were like 377 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: bringing whoever, and they went with a then unknown Sigourney Weaver. Also, 378 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: by the way, Ridley Scott identifies as feminist cool yeah 379 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: um yeah. So she is someone who is strong and 380 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: capable while still maintaining her femininity, although not too much 381 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: of it. But I personally when I read that, I 382 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: was like, she, um, you will apparently she kind of 383 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: it's the cat that most people point at the fact 384 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: that she cares about the cat, saves the cat very 385 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: I guess a feminine trait. She has been described Ripley 386 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: not the Cat, as the divine mother and protector of 387 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: all life. The final shot in the movie some people 388 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: see as very virgin Mary, resembling Virgin Mary. She is 389 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: also for much of the beginning of the movie largely ignored. Again, 390 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: you might not know she is the main character for 391 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: a while. Um she's ignored by her male co workers 392 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: and even the other female one. When she cites quarantine protocol, 393 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: the thing that could have saved them from the alien, 394 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: she's ignored, completely ignored. They're like, Nah, that's terrible. You're 395 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: a terrible person. We're bringing bringing Cane in with this 396 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: mysterious being attached to his face. Uh, horror in himself. 397 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: Let's bring it in. Everything's fine. Yeah, I think we're 398 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: very chill about it. They really were. I feel like 399 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of the sci fi and horror movies. 400 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: They're like, that's cool. Things don't have to everything's just fine. 401 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: Attached to his face and be Okay, they're bleeding out 402 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: every orphice. Let's just let's just talk to them, call 403 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: comfort them. Yeah. Run. Uh. And this other female character, 404 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: her name is a Lambert, who is played by Veronica Kurtwright. 405 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,719 Speaker 1: Kurtwright has publicly complained about the character of Lambert, who, 406 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: if you don't know, she's sort of spends the last 407 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: part of the movie crying and upset. Yeah, she said 408 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: she was told that Lambert. The actress was told that 409 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: Lambert was supposed to represent the fears of the audience. 410 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: In the sequel Aliens, it is revealed that Lambert was 411 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: a trans woman. Um A screen briefly shown reads, despite 412 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: conversion at birth from male to female, so far, there 413 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: are no signs of suppressed trauma from gender reassignment of 414 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: popular fan supported theories that Lambert died of via violent rape. Yeah, 415 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: that was really horrible because she the last thing you 416 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: see of her that we saw for her panciless because 417 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: all you can see is the leg and then the 418 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: blood dripping down, which by the way, also represents many 419 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: a many times we talked about administruation and penetration and 420 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: all of that, but it was really wows As quiet 421 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: as the death was, it seemed like it snaps away 422 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: real quick. You see it a little bit and then 423 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: that's it. Essentially that you said, have a tentacle, yeah, 424 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: the tail, uh yeah, And apparently in the game, which 425 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: I haven't gotten to this part yet. Apparently you find 426 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: her body and it is covered in blood. Maybe I'll 427 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: report back on that. Um. Both women in the movie 428 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: had to wear tape over their nipple so as not 429 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: to offend of yours in other countries when they come 430 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: out of their like space hyper sleep thing. Many scholars 431 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: argue that the character Ripley did so much to toughen 432 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: up female heroines quickly and eventually led to characters like 433 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: Buffy Um. Sigourney Weaver reprised her role as Ripley and 434 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: Aliens Alien three and Alien Resurrection, and yeah, we're not 435 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: really talking about those to day, but but briefly, her 436 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: character arc takes her from sole survivor to mother motherhood 437 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: is all the Thing, and Aliens to Alien queen to 438 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: a transformation into the other. She becomes a clone, not 439 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: quite human, not quite alien. In Resurrection, Clone Rimpley describes 440 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: herself as the monster's mother. When that movie ends, it's 441 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: to not quite human women that witnessed the New Dawn, 442 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: that rod into the future with a Ripley that has 443 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: rejected humanity and the alien instead chosen herself. She goes 444 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: from mother protector to Mother Destroyer another time. Well, I 445 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: was gonna say, it's kind of how we talked about 446 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: all the monsters, female monsters, and we were talking about 447 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: the one being the protector a bubble bubba yoga babba yaga. 448 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: That sounds very similar in to that same realm. Yeah, 449 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: it's it's really fascinating. And as we we talked about 450 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: in that episode, well, that episode doesn't come out, so 451 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: this is a preview we're doing one of female monsters. 452 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: We do have, apparently in our society a lot of 453 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: anxiety around motherhood, and we've talked about that before and 454 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: you can see it a lot in this series. And 455 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: here's one I love this. One of the taglines for 456 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: the third film was this time it's hiding in the 457 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: most terrifying place of all, which is a woman's body, 458 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: because it's in Sigourney Weaver spoiler spoiler spoils, a woman's 459 00:26:53,680 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: body is really terrifying sometimes. Apparently, apparently myself often and 460 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: many others did take issue with the underwear scene at 461 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: the end of Alien. Specifically, she sort of thinks she's 462 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: safe and she strips down to pretty much her underwear 463 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: and like a top. But I'm actually torn about it 464 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: because me, it makes sense you'd be stripping down, but 465 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: it's hard to see it any other way because women 466 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: are so objectified in film. It just this, it's hard 467 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: not to be like really right. And I think at 468 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: that time an age because when we saw them waking 469 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: up at the very beginning scenes and in diapers, essentially right, 470 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: and I guess he's getting ready to go to bed, 471 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: and to me that seems completely normal, but maybe the 472 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: anticipation of the you know, something's not completely ended, So 473 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: why are you acting? Why are you acting like you're okay? Right? 474 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: And that's a big complaint when it comes to Final Girls, 475 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: is sure you have this strong well not always, but 476 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: you have a woman who survives and seems to be capable, 477 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: but usually you're witnessing it kind of voyeuristically through the 478 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: the killer or the monster, so you're we're connecting with 479 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: the monster than you are with the woman typically, So 480 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: that's part of my problem with it, I think, is 481 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: that it suddenly has that feel of like the alien 482 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: is watching you and you're undressing, which um, again kind 483 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: of makes sense, but I do get a little I'm 484 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: a little torned about it. I will say when I've 485 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: had a long day fighting aliens. I also want to 486 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: sew does happen often? So many times? Annoying? Now I understand, 487 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad you've rate it. This long is long, um. 488 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: And there are critiques of Ripley's um nurturing nature and 489 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: her sexual appeal um that make her and her feminism 490 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: at large, and feminism at large in this movie, I 491 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: guess not so threatening to the patriarchy. So they like 492 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: took those steps, but they did it in a way 493 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: where men wouldn't freak out, I guess is the easier 494 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: way of saying that. From Alien Woman The Making of 495 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Ripley by Jason Smith, Kim and Yardo quote in 496 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: the final scenes of Alien Ripley meets not just an 497 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: alien creature, but a dark, physical and psychological mirror of herself, 498 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: like a woman with a flamethrower. That alien is a 499 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: fallicized fetish object, a creation of the male psyche of 500 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: masculine fear and desire. Thus, the film ultimately pits the 501 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: body against her own shadow self. But they go on 502 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: to say, in a world where men can be subjected 503 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: to the monstrous feminine, becoming pregnant and give birth to monsters, 504 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: where women can become the heroes and soul survivors, the 505 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: male becomes superfluous, assumed be outmoded form, and Ripley's confrontation 506 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: with and final destruction of the alien, the object of 507 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: desire of the military industrial complex, gives voice to the 508 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: contemporary feminist goal of saving humanity from the destructive impulses 509 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: of patriarchy. Tell you there's a lot to be said. 510 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: We need that right now. And then here's something that 511 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: you were curious about. Mother. It's basically the computer, the 512 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: ship's computer that's in charge of everything, and it's they 513 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: call it Mother, but it's actually m U slash T 514 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: slash you are six thousand and um. This ship is 515 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: what wakes up to the crew who was not really 516 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: supposed to stop this planet, but wakes them up early 517 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: to investigate a signal coming from LV four to six, 518 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: which is where things go terribly wrong. They change it 519 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: to Father and aliens. I think there's always like a 520 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: computer sort of thing running it, and I've been interested 521 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: for a while, And like when we talk about Mother's 522 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: ship and why we refer to ships as she. Space 523 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: is frequently seen as the vast, empty womb of a 524 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: woman like just giving these gender specifiers too. I was 525 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: tempted to call Mother she you things like that. Um. 526 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,719 Speaker 1: When the crew is first awakened by Mother, it is 527 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: as if they are children emerging from her room like 528 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: the diapers. Like you said, Um, Mother does not have 529 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: your best interest at art. She is a cold, artless bitch, 530 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: except not technically. But she's a computer. But she's like Um, 531 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: I guess the people who programmed her are from the 532 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: movie I love this quote Mother. I've turned the cooling 533 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: unit back on Mother. The ship will automatically distruct and 534 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: T minus five minutes you and yes, that's when Ripley 535 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: like starts throwing up at the computer main dream. Um. 536 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: This is an argument between Ripley and Mother. Also Mother's 537 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: co conspirator Ash and Ash is the android character played 538 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: by sir Ian Home and I do I feel like 539 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: in every single alien movie are almost all of them 540 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: the dard character as some weird thing for the final 541 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: girl because most of these do have a final girl anyway. 542 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: He tries to kill Ripley by shoving a rolled up 543 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: porno magazine into her mouth, which also feels very reminiscent 544 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,239 Speaker 1: of oral rape. Um. I've read that that scene is 545 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: like he represents toxic masculinity. UM. I never noticed there 546 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: was all this porn in the background until I did 547 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: this research from the monstrous feminine film feminism psychoanalysis. The 548 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: science fiction horror film Alien presents a complex representation of 549 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: the monstrous feminine as archaic mother. Mother. Alien is primarily 550 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: a terrifying figure, not because she is castrated, but because 551 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: she castrates. Her all consuming, incorporating powers are concretized in 552 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: the figure of her Alien offspring, the creature whose deadly 553 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: mission is represented as the same as that of the 554 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: archaic mother, to tear apart and reincorporate all life. It 555 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: is the notion of the thick und mother as abyss 556 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: that essential to Alien. It is the abyss, the cannibalizing 557 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: black hole from which all life comes, into which all 558 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: life returns, that is represented in the film as the 559 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: source of deepest terror. Significantly, there is an attempt in 560 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: Alien to appropriate the procreative function of the archaic mother 561 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: to represent a man giving birth, to deny the mother 562 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: as signifier of sexual difference. But here birth can exist 563 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: only as the other face of death. When one of 564 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: the Alien creatures orally rapes Kane, one of the male astronauts. 565 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: It implants its embryo in Kane's stomach, but the primeval 566 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: mother does not need the male as a father, only 567 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 1: as a host body. In the alien creature murderously gnaws 568 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: its way through Kane's belly. It's birth leads to the 569 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: male mother's death. The archaic mother is present in all 570 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: horror films as the blackness of extinction. Death. The desires 571 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: and fears, and by the image of the archaic mother 572 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: as a force that threatens to reincorporate what it once 573 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: gave birth to, are always there in the horror text. 574 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: All pervasive, encompassing because of the constant presence of death. 575 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of birth and death. Yeah. Yeah, 576 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: and space is a great background to devote that against. 577 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: And we have to talk about the art. Yeah. Swiss 578 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: artist hr Geiger's design in this film is a huge 579 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: component of this whole conversation. This guy was big on 580 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: very bio mechanical sexual imagery and well versed and expressionist. 581 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: German horror painting by Francis Bacon called three studies for 582 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: figures at the base of Crucifixion, served for a lot 583 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: of Geiger's inspiration when it came to the design of 584 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: the Alien, or the xeno morph as it's called. And 585 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: seriously check out the painting and you will see it 586 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: right away. The resemblance it's there. Bacon's work was an 587 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: interpretation of the Greek myth around the goddesses of vengeance 588 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: that chase life and the living. The furies, who we 589 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: will be talking about in an upcoming episode, seems very 590 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: appropriate for this whole design. Geiger specifically want to take 591 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: something that is and long has been generally associated with 592 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: pleasure sex and turn it into something horrific. He had 593 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: done something similar in his collection of pieces called Necronomicon. 594 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: Some of his designs were so overtly sexual that the 595 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: studio turned them down, which blows my mind because the 596 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: ones that are in there are pretty outvertly sexual. Also, 597 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: US Customs held Geiger after seeing his artwork for Alien 598 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: and being highly disturbed. I think Ridley Scott somebody on 599 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: the movie had to come and be like, no, he's work, 600 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: It's all good. The first version of the Egg, the 601 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: egg that the Facehecker it comes out of, it had 602 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: one slit for the opening, and Rudley Scott allegedly l 603 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: old Race thought because he thought it looked exactly like 604 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: a vagina. Back to the drawing board, and the opening 605 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: became the X that were more familiar with today. And 606 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: the fully grown alien is very phallican designed, both its 607 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: head and the little dude that pops out of his 608 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: mouth and yes, pews acid, sort of like semen um. 609 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: Some say it combines both the phallic and the vaginal. 610 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: Roger Ebert once wrote, Alien uses a tricky device to 611 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: keep the alien fresh. Throughout the movie. It evolves the 612 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: nature and appearance of the creatures, so we never know 613 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: quite what it looks like or what it can do. 614 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: The first time we get a good look at the 615 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: alien as it burst from the chest of poor Cane 616 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: is unmistakably falic in shape, and the critic Tim Dirk's 617 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: mentions it's open, dripping vaginal mouth. M also forgot to 618 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: mention about ash he spews all the semen esque stuff 619 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: he drinks. It's not milk, right, I O recinently thought 620 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: it was milk. I was like what he actually, I've 621 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: read if you pay attention to the whole movie, he 622 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: never eats our drinks. He's just kind of there. But 623 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: he drinks the milk in that one scene or the 624 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: white substance. I thought it was milk because I like, 625 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: this is the Es of course are drinking milk right 626 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: like like out of nowhere. But and then you start 627 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: seeing him sweat and you're like, oh, it's something that 628 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: that's not what that is? Um and trivia Shredded condoms 629 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: were used for the aliens. Jaw tendons Um also shredded condoms. 630 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: Is it looks very much like the thing that what's 631 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: his name picks up right before he gets murdered. It's 632 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: like the shadded skin alienum. And then the slime, the 633 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: alien slime is k y jelly, lots and lots of 634 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: k y jelly. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Even even 635 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: the props they used, it's sexually suggestive. And then the ship, 636 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: the ship they discover on l V four two six 637 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: was pretty phallic in shape and other parts of it 638 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: resemble a giant womb. When the explorers or you could 639 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: say invaders enter the ship, they are in suit that 640 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: make them appear like their sperm entering the vaginal opening 641 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: in the ship. And yes, seriously, seriously, uh you won't 642 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: un see it, I promise Once inside, Kane finds a 643 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: womb slash tomb of alien eggs. Then came the sperm. 644 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: In this case, witnesses and egg open the face hugger 645 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 1: latches onto his face, transformed him into a womb. The 646 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: creature cannot be removed until it has deposited its seed, 647 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: and that is very violent rape um and then the 648 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: victim is forced to carry the organism to term and 649 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: birth it and even though it will kill the host 650 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: read even at the risk of the mother. Some also 651 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 1: see the scene of the alien person out of Kane's 652 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: chest as represent native of the general male confusion and 653 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: fear around her right comes out of the stomach, lots 654 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: of blood, very violent, exactly how it happened, um and uh. 655 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: In every movie there is, I believe there's a scene 656 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: of like it's called the labyrinth, but it's supposed to 657 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: be like the fallopian tubes in the womb and the 658 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,439 Speaker 1: labyrinth of a woman's body. Um and most space movies 659 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: are seen yeah, as male explorers entering the womb of space. 660 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: That has changed as we get more and more female representation. 661 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: But for a long time, Veronica Cartwright said of the set, 662 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: it was so erotic. It's big vaginas and penises. The 663 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: whole thing is like you're going inside some sort of 664 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: womb or whatever sort of viscerule. So there you go. 665 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: There it is, there we go. Um, we do have 666 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: some more for you, but first we have one more 667 00:39:50,520 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: quick break for word from our sponsor and we're back. 668 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: Thank you sponsoring. So I was going to go into 669 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: my theory, my personal theory, which I believe forces the 670 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: male viewer to think about the impacts of sexual violence 671 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: and being unable to abort the resulting child, and anxieties 672 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,280 Speaker 1: about being forced to pay for child care. Because again, 673 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: this is when Roe we Wade is passing, women are 674 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: getting more sexual agency, starting to enter the workforce. I 675 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: think it was a lot of anxiety around it. Um. 676 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 1: And I am again not the only one who thought that, 677 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: but I feel like we've touched on a lot of 678 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: the stuff that I that was in my personal theory. Um, 679 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: it's been in and hundreds and hundreds of essays and books. 680 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,280 Speaker 1: It's been examined as a parable about motherhood, a feminist allegory, 681 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,919 Speaker 1: and examination of abortion. So yeah. So, Joseph Campbell wrote 682 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: in his book Primitive Mythology about alien there's a motif 683 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: occurring in the certain primitive mythologies as well as in 684 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: modern surrealist painting and neurotic dream, which is known to 685 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: folklore as the tooth vagina, the vagina that cast rates. Yeah. Yeah. 686 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: The screenwriter himself, Dan O'Bannon, said he wanted to make 687 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: male audience members confront the realities and horrors of sexual 688 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: assault and rape, the fear of force, pennetration, and pregnancy. 689 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: And yes, I've said it before, I say it again. 690 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: One of my personal theories is that most horror movies 691 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,720 Speaker 1: ultimately are about fears of something about women, usually administruation 692 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,439 Speaker 1: or pregnancy, our sexuality in general. That's just me. Film 693 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: blogger Flick philosopher founder Mary Anne Joe Hansson told broadly, 694 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: do men really require a science fiction scenario to understand 695 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: how horrific unwanted violation of the body is. Maybe if 696 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: our culture treated male and male rape like the horror is, 697 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: men wouldn't need to turn to science fiction movies too 698 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: under stand at the problem. Even if some men require 699 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: such a prompt for their empathy, the Alien franchise still 700 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: isn't one that offers much in the way of true 701 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: access to women's relationships with rape, and I do think 702 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: it is it's interesting that for women Alien is frightening, 703 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: but we do have to deal with this fear and 704 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: much more real and regular way than men do. So 705 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: all of the thought pieces are not all of them, 706 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: but a lot of them are like it makes men 707 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: face the truth of sexual violence, but it totally ignores 708 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 1: like women or men that have dealt already with sexual 709 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:40,479 Speaker 1: violence like this will this will really scare them in Yes, 710 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: they're only really petrified by women power, blood, specifically administruation 711 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: and child our thing and then then being penetrated. I 712 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: guess to be fair, yes, that's petrifying in the penetration part. 713 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,959 Speaker 1: Y'all not. I don't know about everything else who knew 714 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: that so much? We would have so much to say, 715 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 1: mostly me would have so much to say about Alien. 716 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,359 Speaker 1: I've been ready. After you started writing, I was like, oh, 717 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: here we go, and I cut out two pages two pages. Um. 718 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: I would love for anyone else who has strong thoughts 719 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: about really any movie, but any horror movie and Alien. UM. 720 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: I would love to hear from from all of you. 721 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: I am. I'm loosely toying with the idea of doing 722 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: like a Spoiled Saturday. Yeah, I think it'd be a 723 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: great idea where we do more recent horror movies because 724 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: there has been a lot of I think movements in 725 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 1: horror movies lately when it comes to feminism. Oh yeah, 726 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: there are a lot of interesting things to be said, 727 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: right and definitely people are understanding a lot of these 728 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: kitchy things that have been happening, specifically towards females and 729 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: the female protagonists or even unto antagonists. I guess um 730 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: they're starting to kind of trying to flip that on 731 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,040 Speaker 1: this head. I think it's really interesting. I do too, 732 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,799 Speaker 1: And kind of going off of that, I did want 733 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: to say that I'm going to be on Movie Crush, 734 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: which is another podcast on our network hosted by Chuck 735 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,240 Speaker 1: Bryant of Stuff you Should Know once for the Slash edition, 736 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: where I will be talking about some of those movies 737 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: that turn things upside down because those are some of 738 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: my favorites that play with all of the tropes. And 739 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 1: then I will be on it again in November and 740 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: I have to pick my my movie, but maybe I'll 741 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 1: do Alien because I've already done all of the research 742 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: already started there. Yep, yep, yep, um, and then we 743 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: did want to shout out um a listener who wrote 744 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: in Um Kathy, she wrote a few episodes ago you 745 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: asked the listeners to give you names a podcast with 746 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: lady host, I happen to host one. My husband and 747 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: I are the host of a little known podcast called 748 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: patron Saints of Pop Culture. We discussed the themes of 749 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: recent movies and TV shows mostly, but we will also 750 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: occasionally discuss video games and music videos. Since we are 751 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: in the beginning of the spooky season, our recent episodes 752 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,880 Speaker 1: have been on horror movies. We thought that was a 753 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: perfect one to shout out for this episode, and then 754 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: just two one more because of the nursery that is 755 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: happening and all of it. Um. Black Girl Nerds is 756 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: also one that you should I'm sure people have already 757 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: started looking at, but like that would be one more 758 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: to catch in if you want to go deeper into 759 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: the nerd. Um. Oh, yes, I do, clearly, clearly. UM. 760 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: I really am so happy that we got to do this. 761 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: I hope the listeners enjoyed it at least as a 762 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: little bit as m since I did. Look. I just 763 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: watched it, and I know you're a fan and I 764 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. Um. And this is actually was a part 765 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 1: of a while ago. We had this idea for something 766 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,439 Speaker 1: called Feminist Movie Fridays and would be once a month 767 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: and we would look at all they were all horror 768 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: movies because that's just how I am. Well, I'm putting 769 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: Heathers in there, obviously, because you know I've already discussed Yeah, 770 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: we've already discussed the fight that you need to watch this, um. 771 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: But to put in there as a maybe, I don't 772 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: know how well that's fair. That's always a scary thing. 773 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: I have so many movies that were my favorites when 774 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,480 Speaker 1: I was a kid, and now I watched them and 775 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: I just I can't even do right even like with 776 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: shows that that we're just recently, I was watching some 777 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: of the Dirty Rock and that really hasn't held up either. Surprisingly, 778 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,319 Speaker 1: and you would think because it wasn't that long ago, 779 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: and at that point in time, it was getting into 780 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 1: the trend of like being feminists and being a writer, 781 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: a head writer and what that looks like, and it's 782 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: still kind of like, oh, things have moved pretty quickly, 783 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,239 Speaker 1: right right, um. But we would love to hear from 784 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: listeners if you have recommendations for our next feminist movie Friday, 785 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: Throw them into the Ring. You can email us at 786 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: Stuff Media, mom Stuff at i heeart media dot com. 787 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast 788 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. Thanks 789 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: as always to our superproducer Andrew Howard Andrew, and thanks 790 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,600 Speaker 1: to you for listening Stuff I've Never Told You his 791 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: prediction of I Heart Radio's house Stefforks. For more podcast 792 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,919 Speaker 1: from I Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 793 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 794 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: H