Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: me your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: you know, in yesterday's Woke Wednesday, I went off on
Speaker 1: a tangent of disgust, despair, and just outright rage at
Speaker 1: the current state of the Democratic Party. I posed a
Speaker 1: question which was asking why are you a Democrat? Right?
Speaker 1: Because I wake up in the morning and I'm beginning
Speaker 1: to ask myself this question over and over again. Why
Speaker 1: am I so dedicated to a party that is not
Speaker 1: dedicated to me or my well being or actually shows
Speaker 1: that they understand the urgency of the moment that we
Speaker 1: are living in. Why do I continue to give them
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt as if all they need
Speaker 1: is more time and more votes and more people in
Speaker 1: order for them to do the same old shit that
Speaker 1: they've been doing for decades. We're in this situation right
Speaker 1: now as it pertains to abortion in Roe v. Wade,
Speaker 1: because for fifty years we thought that rules were rules
Speaker 1: and laws were law, that no one would serve on
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court that doesn't actually believe in precedent, that
Speaker 1: doesn't actually believe in the Constitution, but then, you know,
Speaker 1: we also believe that, oh, Donald Trump is going to
Speaker 1: become president of the United States, and somehow he's going
Speaker 1: to learn how to be presidential. He's going to learn
Speaker 1: how to give a fuck, because that's what the responsibility
Speaker 1: of the office means. How did that turn out? The
Speaker 1: thing is is that people in power don't actually have
Speaker 1: to do dick, but maintain that power, and you do
Speaker 1: so by keeping a large portion of the population underserved,
Speaker 1: right overregulated and underserved and in a state of consistent despair.
Speaker 1: That then you're able to only really deal with the
Speaker 1: ruling class, the money class, the donor class, that's actually
Speaker 1: who you're catering to. And if all of those people's
Speaker 1: needs are met by virtue of the fact that they
Speaker 1: have that they are part of the halves and have
Speaker 1: the money and the income to be able to deal
Speaker 1: with inflation, right to be able to not really pay
Speaker 1: taxes so that they can spread their money around in
Speaker 1: offshore accounts, then what is happening to our democracy and
Speaker 1: our rights really doesn't matter, because the rich will always
Speaker 1: find a way to get richer and to preserve their
Speaker 1: own independence. None of the things that are falling on
Speaker 1: the rest of us, whether it is our inability to vote,
Speaker 1: our inability to get an abortion are soon, our inability
Speaker 1: to get contraception soon, your ability to send your child
Speaker 1: to a good public school, which many of people who
Speaker 1: are living in low income areas can already tell you
Speaker 1: that ship is sailed. And instead we've put in form
Speaker 1: profit charter schools that have no rules, no regulation, because
Speaker 1: we believe that it's the rules and regulation that causes
Speaker 1: the problem, not the fucking greed, the patriarchy, and the
Speaker 1: white supremacy. On today's show, I'm going to be in
Speaker 1: conversation with my friend Jennifer Toubb, who wrote this good
Speaker 1: book here, Big Dirty Money, and we'll talk about the
Speaker 1: fact pretty much that we're not going to see any
Speaker 1: shakedown of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is not going to jail.
Speaker 1: There is no will. Basically, the only person that we
Speaker 1: are counting on right now is Francis Willis in Georgia,
Speaker 1: which has nothing to do with Trump's money schemes, has
Speaker 1: everything to do with his attempt to overthrow our election
Speaker 1: and pressure the then Secretary of State who is running
Speaker 1: for re election again, Brad Rathfinsburger, to be able to
Speaker 1: find him eleven thy seven hundred and some odd votes.
Speaker 1: Though here's the thing, though, folks, that I will say,
Speaker 1: it is really hard to feel yourself losing faith. And
Speaker 1: you know, I said this in a TikTok that I
Speaker 1: did earlier in the week, where I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I used to visit, you know, travel to other countries,
Speaker 1: and you know, you travel around into lower Wealth of
Speaker 1: Nations and you know, mostly their governments are pretty shitty, right.
Speaker 1: They steal from the people, you need to pay off
Speaker 1: the cops. Like you know, there's bribery, there's kidnapping. They're
Speaker 1: fairly dysfunctional and are run like you know, Banana republics
Speaker 1: in a lot of way. And I would look around
Speaker 1: and I would see people just going about their days,
Speaker 1: working in shops, you know, raising kids, and I would say, God,
Speaker 1: you know, you can have a simpler life in places
Speaker 1: like you know, Panama and places like Vietnam and places
Speaker 1: like Portugal. And then there's this undercurrent of but what
Speaker 1: does it mean to exist in countries that whose politics
Speaker 1: are shady? It means that you have to do the
Speaker 1: most in order to provide for your family because you
Speaker 1: know that there are no safety nets. That's where we are,
Speaker 1: and that's where we are. And it's not like we
Speaker 1: are headed there, like we're in route. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like the kids in the back
Speaker 1: of the car saying, did we get there yet? Did
Speaker 1: we get to authoritarianism yet? Did we get to fascism yet? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: kids will be there soon, right, Like, That's pretty much
Speaker 1: what is happening here when you are seeing news reports
Speaker 1: talk about the fact that a majority of people that
Speaker 1: are looking to ease the economic despair that they are
Speaker 1: in by going to food pantries in their neighborhoods, cities
Speaker 1: and towns. And these are people who are employed, right,
Speaker 1: These are people who are actually working, but by virtue
Speaker 1: of where inflation is taking us, have become part of
Speaker 1: the working poor, where you're having to make decisions about
Speaker 1: how much gas you're putting in your car and how
Speaker 1: many groceries you're going to be able to buy in
Speaker 1: that same week. This is not in America I have
Speaker 1: ever understood where the middle clubs now is making those
Speaker 1: very clear, painful decisions. But you see, everyone else who
Speaker 1: is wealthy doesn't actually give a fuck, right because their
Speaker 1: families will still be able to access abortion they'll still
Speaker 1: be able to figure out how to, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: get rid of one of their homes and send their
Speaker 1: kids to different private schools. We are looking at a
Speaker 1: version of Eleseum without us even opening up space. Yet
Speaker 1: the gap, folks between the haves and the have nots
Speaker 1: in this country have become so extreme. I mean, I
Speaker 1: was on the phone with my mother and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we've always had the good privilege because you know, by
Speaker 1: virtue of our work, by virtue of you know, the
Speaker 1: ability to save and do all of these things. I've
Speaker 1: never gone into the growth store. And forgive me for
Speaker 1: sounding very privilege, but I've never gone into the grocery
Speaker 1: store and looked at the prices of things. I've just
Speaker 1: picked up what I've wanted, what I have needed, and
Speaker 1: then gone about my day. Millions of Americans have never
Speaker 1: been able to do that, and now millions more are
Speaker 1: unable to do that. You're listening to news reports where
Speaker 1: people are talking and saying, yeah, I am now looking
Speaker 1: at my grocery store. Listen, I'm saying, what is a
Speaker 1: need on here? And what is a want? What can
Speaker 1: I buy that will provide multiple meals over the course
Speaker 1: of a week or two weeks versus before when I
Speaker 1: just went and got what the fuck I wanted. Well,
Speaker 1: the other day, I went to the grocery store to
Speaker 1: pick up, you know, my staples. One of my staples
Speaker 1: is always having a good quality parmesan cheese. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds weird, but that is one of my staples. Well,
Speaker 1: I go to pick up the parmesan cheese that I've
Speaker 1: been buying for god only knows how long. Never looked
Speaker 1: at the price before, but I knew it wasn't this much.
Speaker 1: I looked at the goddamn price. Who was twelve dollars
Speaker 1: and fifty cents for a fucking pint of parmesan cheese?
Speaker 1: Was it graded by monks in Italy? I had to
Speaker 1: put the ship back down and then look around for
Speaker 1: a brand that I had never picked up before because
Speaker 1: it was half the goddamn price. And I'm like, if
Speaker 1: somebody like myself, who I don't consider to be in hardship,
Speaker 1: is making those kinds of decisions and I live alone,
Speaker 1: then like, what are families of four, five, six doing?
Speaker 1: How were they deciding what they're doing? I talked about
Speaker 1: talked to my mom about the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: do you remember, Well, she doesn't remember, right, but she's
Speaker 1: also an immigrant to this country and that old but
Speaker 1: I said, during World War two, you know, they were
Speaker 1: rolling out like days like meatless mondays because the price
Speaker 1: of meat had skyrocketed so much people couldn't afford it, right,
Speaker 1: Or they're going in with another family to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get this and then let's split it up. That's
Speaker 1: the kind of shit that we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 1: People saying like, what kind of dish can I make
Speaker 1: that can feed my family? But I don't need to
Speaker 1: buy which is now like a sixteen dollar fucking thing
Speaker 1: a chicken. And then what drives me crazy are people
Speaker 1: like Donald Trump that don't even pay into the system,
Speaker 1: people like Elon Musk that don't even pay into the system.
Speaker 1: That all of this, all of this doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be the way if only people who were uber wealthy
Speaker 1: would actually pay their share. But god forbid, you have
Speaker 1: politicians on either side of the aisle actually purport to
Speaker 1: care about that issue, because once again, Democrat or Republican,
Speaker 1: they only care about the money that is coming from
Speaker 1: their donors and going into their own pockets. There's a
Speaker 1: reason why We've never been able to alter the tax
Speaker 1: code when Democrats are in power because they actually don't
Speaker 1: want to. It's just easier to put the blame right
Speaker 1: on Republicans, But the blame alone does not rest on them.
Speaker 1: Democrats are benefiting for an unbalanced system because they are
Speaker 1: fucking wealthy. It's the greed for me, y'all. It's the
Speaker 1: greed for me. It's the lack of urgency, it is
Speaker 1: all of the above. And so today I find myself
Speaker 1: barreling towards the end of this week, ye of little hope,
Speaker 1: like I'm walking through the desert looking for a fucking
Speaker 1: oasis and there's not one to be found. I don't
Speaker 1: know what this summer is gonna bring. I can tell
Speaker 1: you it's going to bring uber high fucking COVID numbers,
Speaker 1: continually high gas prices. They say that, oh, inflation is
Speaker 1: going to be easy, but isn't because these companies that
Speaker 1: have now been offsetting their costs to the consumers who
Speaker 1: are now forced to do that. You think they're going
Speaker 1: to roll their prices back down the way that we
Speaker 1: thought the airlines were going to do when they were
Speaker 1: going to stop charging for fucking overhead compartments extra leg
Speaker 1: room or an extra bag. No, they haven't. I think
Speaker 1: gas prices are all of a sudden going to fall
Speaker 1: back to where they were pre the war in Ukraine. No,
Speaker 1: because these companies are well to make money off of catastrophe.
Speaker 1: When we stop that correlation, maybe then something will change,
Speaker 1: But until then probably not. Coming up next, friends, my
Speaker 1: conversation with our friend Jennifer tub to talk about you know,
Speaker 1: Trump's legal I want to say woes, but he ain't
Speaker 1: really woeen not even with the news out of New
Speaker 1: York that says that the federal judge has released Donald
Speaker 1: Trump from I guess contempt of court so long as
Speaker 1: he pays his over one hundred thousand dollars, finds that
Speaker 1: he is wrapped up thus far, and you know, agrees
Speaker 1: to testify and be interviewed by the ag Well, Donald
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't ever pay his bills. Everybody fucking knows that,
Speaker 1: including the people that he owes money to and test
Speaker 1: defy and actually tell the truth. Yeah. I don't see
Speaker 1: that happening either. So while the reports want to say
Speaker 1: this looks like a win for Letitia James, I'll wait
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Speaker 1: I am so happy to welcome back to will g
Speaker 1: F Daily our friend, the author of Big Dirty Money,
Speaker 1: The shocking injustice and unseen cost of white collar crime,
Speaker 1: our friend Jennifer tub jem My God. It is great
Speaker 1: to be rich, white and male in America, but really
Speaker 1: anywhere on this planet. We have brought you on so
Speaker 1: many times to talk about the mountain of evidence that
Speaker 1: shows corruption around Donald Trump, the Trump Organization, all of
Speaker 1: his accomplices. I mean, there is one breaking news story
Speaker 1: after another that highlights all of the ways that while
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was president as a businessman, and I use
Speaker 1: that in quotations that he has violated so many laws.
Speaker 1: And yet here we are a year and a half
Speaker 1: after the insurrection, you know, years after following what we
Speaker 1: thought was going to be a bombshell investigation by the
Speaker 1: Manhattan DA that has now come to a halt. What
Speaker 1: do you think is happening here with our Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: the will of district attorneys? Like, what is happening? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's so good to be back, but
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry that this is the topic, because you
Speaker 1: know me, normally, I'm jumping right in there, ready to interrupt.
Speaker 1: I got a lot to say, and I'm almost speechless.
Speaker 1: I promised you I won't be speechless. But this is
Speaker 1: a very, very heavy weight. And you began by talking
Speaker 1: about those privileges. You know that if you're a white male, wealthy,
Speaker 1: well connected, you can almost get away with anything. And
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, I check a lot of
Speaker 1: those boxes. I think if I had male privilege, I'd
Speaker 1: be a fucking nightmare. I mean, the amount of power
Speaker 1: that a certain kind of status gives you, the amount
Speaker 1: of access you know it gives you. And I will
Speaker 1: tell you, you know when I need to, when I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I think of myself is more of a
Speaker 1: writer and journalist than I think of myself as a
Speaker 1: lawyer or law professor. As I like to say, you know,
Speaker 1: law is my palette, you know, for talking about policy,
Speaker 1: for talking about the human condition, for writing narrative, right,
Speaker 1: And so sometimes when I'm acting like a journalist, you know,
Speaker 1: you do what you do to get access. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you I get a lot of access in the
Speaker 1: world based on the as privileges um. And I also
Speaker 1: see as you're observing, how high the bar is to
Speaker 1: hold certain people accountable, you know. And when you talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, someone like Donald Trump, we you know, we've
Speaker 1: pre set the table of an entire adult life of
Speaker 1: somebody acting like many of his brethren, kind of doing
Speaker 1: what they want. You know, laws are for the little people. Now,
Speaker 1: when Leona Holmes, they said taxes were for the little people.
Speaker 1: That didn't help her, right, she went to prison, Martha
Speaker 1: Stewart went to prison. They seem there's something different, is
Speaker 1: it the uterus? No? I mean, but you know you
Speaker 1: and you know there there are so so we set this.
Speaker 1: We start out with this person being who he is
Speaker 1: and getting away with it again and again and again,
Speaker 1: and when it when people with power could hold him accountable,
Speaker 1: and then they don't, you know, he just gets more emboldened,
Speaker 1: you know. And so again I'm saying, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get to the questions that you ask, but let's just remember,
Speaker 1: you know, I was really glad. I'm sure you were
Speaker 1: that twice the House impeached Trump when necessary. But when
Speaker 1: when you look at those acquittals in the Senate, I
Speaker 1: can't even I think it was was it after the
Speaker 1: first impeachment not the second one? I can't remember when
Speaker 1: when Susan Collins said, oh, I think he's learned his lessons,
Speaker 1: learned the lessons. Direction, yes, he did, but see here
Speaker 1: the thing is, she is correct. He learned the lesson
Speaker 1: of what are they going to do about it? Right,
Speaker 1: the lesson of what's the penalty and who's going to
Speaker 1: enforce it? And so let me bring us to today,
Speaker 1: and again your main question is will anyone hold these
Speaker 1: people accountable? What's happening at the Department of Justice, excent.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to what's happening, but you know,
Speaker 1: in the news there was yet another former public official
Speaker 1: who decided to cash in on their access after they
Speaker 1: left office. You know, do you feel nauseous as I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I can't even get that. It's because I have screamed
Speaker 1: about this on television recently. I am so sick and
Speaker 1: tired of these people, Mark esper Yes being the latest
Speaker 1: to be able to sell what they knew. Right. He
Speaker 1: calls his book this sacred Oath. Jen, It's called the
Speaker 1: Sacred Oath, And I'm like, you took an oath to capitalism,
Speaker 1: not interest in this country and I and so here's
Speaker 1: the deal. I understand while he was in office, if
Speaker 1: he was trying to you know, there's a moment when
Speaker 1: he was in office, and that ended in December, right
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty twenty three. That was the moment to
Speaker 1: speak out right, I get that when you're in office
Speaker 1: and you're trying to hold down the ford, if we
Speaker 1: want to believe that. But you know, that was a
Speaker 1: long time ago. That was over a year ago. And yes,
Speaker 1: I understand that you get a bigger book advance if
Speaker 1: you keep your secrets. You know, I write books. I
Speaker 1: understand that, you know, but you know, selling your soul really,
Speaker 1: you know, and you shouldn't be using you know, access
Speaker 1: it's that you know, to to do this, So you
Speaker 1: should have spoken out earlier. But let's get to what
Speaker 1: the thing that One of the things that struck me.
Speaker 1: I think it was he who when you know one
Speaker 1: of the book excerpts that's been written about that at
Speaker 1: one point I get which I forget which protests. It
Speaker 1: could have been when Trump was on the campaign trail,
Speaker 1: or it might have been the stuff happening, um, you know,
Speaker 1: during the the the protests around the Capitol building. I
Speaker 1: can't remember which one, but his suggestion was, well, let's
Speaker 1: just shoot them in the legs. Yeah, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: watching your face. And to me he said to him,
Speaker 1: we can't that. You can't do that or or or
Speaker 1: such a or whatever it was. Someone said, you can't
Speaker 1: do that. That That would be a war. Climer, you can't
Speaker 1: do that. That would be illegal, And he said, who's
Speaker 1: gonna prosecute Who's Which is the same thing that Don
Speaker 1: Trump Junior said when he said we own all the
Speaker 1: paths to power when he was not avenues to keep
Speaker 1: his father in the White House regardless of what the
Speaker 1: voters had said, and they were entirely right about who,
Speaker 1: but they still they still didn't they still didn't count
Speaker 1: on Mike Pence not buckling, but they haven't given up.
Speaker 1: I mean, we think you know, I'm sure you're I
Speaker 1: haven't talked to you or watch your podcast in a
Speaker 1: while because I've been running around, but I imagine based
Speaker 1: on your Twitter feed and knowing you that you get
Speaker 1: the insurrection is ongoing. Yes, I mean, I've said I have,
Speaker 1: I'm in the and this is the only thing really
Speaker 1: that I agree with Bill maher On. But when he said,
Speaker 1: you know, last year, six months after the insurrection and
Speaker 1: nothing had happened, He's like, this is a slow moving coup,
Speaker 1: and let's be honest, it's not that slow moving, right
Speaker 1: like it it's actually accelerating because there has not been
Speaker 1: a point of accountability other than the foot soldiers that
Speaker 1: were actually on the ground. And then you know, you
Speaker 1: have the one head of the oath keepers who wasn't
Speaker 1: there physically present at the Capitol building, but it's now
Speaker 1: been indicted. But when we're at a year and a
Speaker 1: half mark and the architects of said indictment has nothing
Speaker 1: has happened. You have Jenny Thomas, who is the friggin'
Speaker 1: wife of a sitting Supreme Court justice who was on
Speaker 1: the phone with the Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, to
Speaker 1: say we got to do something here, and essentially being
Speaker 1: one of the voices that are that are echoing the
Speaker 1: term martial law, like again, what do we think? Where
Speaker 1: do we think this is going? So here's a deal,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get to the institutions of justice
Speaker 1: for a moment. But at this point I'm going to
Speaker 1: say something almost machiavellian, which is, it doesn't even matter.
Speaker 1: I'm now looking at lad I'm sorry it matters. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry it matters. But let me just let me speak theoretically,
Speaker 1: which is, look at Vladimir Putin and his big life. Right,
Speaker 1: he's telling a story of his perspective about empire, and
Speaker 1: he will lie to make the people in Russia feel
Speaker 1: more comfortable, claiming he's denazifying Ukraine. The reality is he
Speaker 1: is invaded a sovereign nation to try to take it over.
Speaker 1: His story of history is well, we should never have
Speaker 1: lost it, but you know, Soviet Union did break up.
Speaker 1: That really happened, and the world came to a conclusion. Similarly,
Speaker 1: I mean Trump's going to keep doing what he does,
Speaker 1: even if he is indicted by Fulton County, even if
Speaker 1: he is indicted by US Department of Justice, it won't
Speaker 1: matter because he I mean, it matters. But the reality
Speaker 1: is we have a bigger propaganda problem among his disciples
Speaker 1: and his wannabes. Ted Cruz, who is a monster in
Speaker 1: every way and a liar by the way, he's always
Speaker 1: saying that he got the highest grade from his constitutional
Speaker 1: law professor Larry Tribe, Ted Whiz, I think a year
Speaker 1: behind me or two years behind me in law school.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's actually true. He might want to
Speaker 1: show the ince of that he's an idiot, but I okay,
Speaker 1: But what he just said the other day, you know,
Speaker 1: people are peacefully holding vigils outside of Supreme Court justices houses,
Speaker 1: you know, First Amendment whatever. I don't have an opinion
Speaker 1: one way or another. I'm not going to tell people
Speaker 1: to do or not do what they want to do.
Speaker 1: He actually said that they were being violent and compared
Speaker 1: it to the protests on January sixth and the insurrection
Speaker 1: and the breaking of windows and the beating of police officers,
Speaker 1: and said it was worse. Right, So we have a
Speaker 1: society where we have people in the mainstream Republican Party
Speaker 1: perpetuating the Big Lion propaganda and and supporting marital rape
Speaker 1: and rape of children and incest and forced birth and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So I don't even when you say
Speaker 1: to me, will anyone hold Trump accountable? I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like that horse has left the bar. I mean, I
Speaker 1: you know that is my You know, I care about
Speaker 1: the enforcement of white collar criminal law. I care about
Speaker 1: what's going on in the Justice Department. I do think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's going to really hinge on the testimony
Speaker 1: of people around him. But you know, the problem is
Speaker 1: he's like a mob boss. He does an email, he
Speaker 1: doesn't text, and he will deny, deny, deny, and he's
Speaker 1: smart enough. Trump is to tell people this should happen,
Speaker 1: and I want that to happen, but never actually saying
Speaker 1: I need you to do this. And if he only
Speaker 1: puts people around him who he can later say our suspect.
Speaker 1: He hires a lot of criminals and thugs and people
Speaker 1: who have gone along with him for years, he'll just
Speaker 1: claim that they are lying. I mean, he threw Michael
Speaker 1: Cohen under the bus or Michael jumped under the bus,
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And now you know, the argument
Speaker 1: is one, let's go back to the prosecutions the Manhattan
Speaker 1: DA Supposedly he doesn't think he has a case because
Speaker 1: he doesn't think Michael Cohone will make a good witness.
Speaker 1: I think Michael Cohoon will make an excellent witness. Prosecutors know,
Speaker 1: they say, Look, I mean Michael Cohone would readily admit
Speaker 1: that he was with this guy for years. He paid
Speaker 1: off Stormy Daniels, There's a lot he did that was wrong.
Speaker 1: But Donald Trump would only surround himself by birds of
Speaker 1: a feather. I think he could be a good witness.
Speaker 1: I think this history will tell that someone got to
Speaker 1: this guy. I could be wrong. I don't want to
Speaker 1: defame anyone, but there is a long history of these
Speaker 1: Manhattan DA's who they have stuck on. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying there is anything I'm this guy, but there's a
Speaker 1: hist Oh no, I have said it. You don't have
Speaker 1: to say it. I have said it because I have
Speaker 1: said multiple times. You know, if the laws that we
Speaker 1: have right are cracked in such a way that we
Speaker 1: know that Donald Trump is doing things that are illegal,
Speaker 1: but oh but we can't seem to get him, then
Speaker 1: they something wrong with the loss. So that's that's number one.
Speaker 1: Number two. Number two is that, you know, as it
Speaker 1: pertains to the Manhattan as it pertains to Alvin Bragg,
Speaker 1: your predecessor called for a special grand jury because the
Speaker 1: mountains of evidence were that were thus that you the
Speaker 1: people needed more time to be able to go through
Speaker 1: all of the evidence that was present. So when you
Speaker 1: come in and then you whether you tell them directly,
Speaker 1: whether you suggest that this case is going to be
Speaker 1: dead in the water, and your two highest pro prosecutors
Speaker 1: decide to quit, I say, follow the money. This is
Speaker 1: not that hard to do. Follow as figure out who
Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg's donors were. Right like this, this is not
Speaker 1: rocket science, but no one has done it. There's also though,
Speaker 1: remember with Schneiderman, the stuff when he was in the
Speaker 1: Trump University case, which ends up being just a settlement.
Speaker 1: There's all I wrote about in my book. But you
Speaker 1: know Trump had information about Schneiderman. You know, Yes, why
Speaker 1: do we think that Schneiderman is gone? Like these things
Speaker 1: did not These things have not happened by accident. The
Speaker 1: things that all of a sudden came to the public's
Speaker 1: understanding about these people who all had ties into prosecuting
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and these men. I'm not saying that these
Speaker 1: men are should still be in office, or like what
Speaker 1: their behavior was that they were caught in should be excused.
Speaker 1: But why the hell do we think that at a
Speaker 1: particular point you find out all this shit about Eric Sneiderman.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that at a particular point you
Speaker 1: find out all these things about Cuomo? It's not accident, right,
Speaker 1: And the same thing with um, oh god, what was
Speaker 1: his name? Elliott Spitzer? But how are Madison? So let's
Speaker 1: just use Madison clauthor an example. What this OPA wasn't
Speaker 1: here before exactly going to Hitler's like retreat. Uh, that's fine, idiot,
Speaker 1: that's cool. All this ship being a misogynist, being an
Speaker 1: alleged sexual harasser, We're good with the minute they don't
Speaker 1: want him around because I think he's a liability. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden the APPO comes out. Who I mean,
Speaker 1: I got a long list, maybe some shot because there's
Speaker 1: some people who press the button, they will come there
Speaker 1: and say the most outrageous things in support of whomever.
Speaker 1: You know. So it's really what I want to know
Speaker 1: is why don't the Democrats have this OPA on people? Girl?
Speaker 1: Or is there a little bit of a like we
Speaker 1: don't let me ask you this question. Is it kind
Speaker 1: of like we don't go to the justice's houses and
Speaker 1: we don't we don't give anyone else's APPA on the
Speaker 1: other side because there'd be an APPA war. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Let me tell you something. This whole
Speaker 1: desire that I feel that Democrats have in order to
Speaker 1: take the fucking high road, right, like always wanting to
Speaker 1: take the high road. Oh, this is not who we are.
Speaker 1: This is exactly how you lose a war, right, war
Speaker 1: is not clean and I and the problem here is
Speaker 1: that Democrats don't realize that Republicans have been waging war
Speaker 1: on them for the last five decades, right, And so
Speaker 1: you we as the establishment Democrats have continued to believe
Speaker 1: that if we are nice enough, if we follow the
Speaker 1: rule of law, then we're going to show the American
Speaker 1: people blah blah blah blah blah. And what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is these people have taken the gloves off. They are
Speaker 1: coming for your jugular and you're gonna have information and
Speaker 1: think that you're not going to use it, right because
Speaker 1: what But I just want to say, let me just
Speaker 1: like a nuance this can I use nuance as a
Speaker 1: verb I'm a new one. Yes, okay, well Finesse I
Speaker 1: like nuance better. So here's a deal. I'm from the Midwest.
Speaker 1: I can be nice while I stabbed someone in the back. Like,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why you cannot be polite. No, I'm kidding. No,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is like, because Democrats, somehow I think
Speaker 1: you can't use these tools. Well I'm saying is you
Speaker 1: can be polite in person and just say look, you know,
Speaker 1: I see you sitting across from me. We've worked together before.
Speaker 1: But the reality is your policies are killing people and
Speaker 1: I'm going to use every tool I can to stop you.
Speaker 1: And that's that's polite, that's politics. I didn't McConnell like,
Speaker 1: where is our ruthless Connel? I don't see you know,
Speaker 1: And okay, I want to I want to dial back
Speaker 1: to talk about the cases. So last night, when I
Speaker 1: was having insomnia and I saw that young Thug was
Speaker 1: indicted or arrested out of Bolton County, first I said,
Speaker 1: who's young Thug? Because I'm not. And then I'm like,
Speaker 1: because I know Ari Melbourne, and I'm like, wow, he
Speaker 1: has like millions of followers. He must be a big deal.
Speaker 1: And then I saw because I like to research these things,
Speaker 1: that he collaborated or help write the song that won
Speaker 1: the Grammy called you know what, I mean, what was
Speaker 1: his fault? Young? What's his name? Song? I'm not gonna okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about the music. But this
Speaker 1: guy's arrested with a bunch of other people were indicted
Speaker 1: for these racketeering charges out of the same office that
Speaker 1: is investigating Donald Trump and has a grand jury. I
Speaker 1: think she's gonna Endice. I mean, how can you? Francis
Speaker 1: Willis is the only hope that we have. She's the
Speaker 1: only hope we have. That's it. And you know, and
Speaker 1: and and the reality is that between her and Tish James,
Speaker 1: whose case is not criminal in nature but is civil,
Speaker 1: it is going to be between the two of them
Speaker 1: because all of the men that have been in charge
Speaker 1: of the of these cases are have failed and or
Speaker 1: are currently failing. And I when I say currently failing,
Speaker 1: I'm particularly talking about Merrick Garland. Right, So, there is
Speaker 1: only so much time that people have to wait to
Speaker 1: see that the rules do not apply. If you are
Speaker 1: rich and white and well connected, they do not apply
Speaker 1: to you. Right, They get to create the rules, they
Speaker 1: get to evade the rules, and then they get to
Speaker 1: they get to persecute under other people to the fullest
Speaker 1: extent of the law, under the rules that they have
Speaker 1: created that are for everyone else but not for them.
Speaker 1: And the longer that we like to me, the longer
Speaker 1: that we go through these stages of how we unravel
Speaker 1: our faith and integrity in these systems, the more and
Speaker 1: more we're going to move into a place of violence
Speaker 1: and lawlessness in this country. I am so glad you
Speaker 1: said all of that. And there are people who will
Speaker 1: say to you or me or anyone on Twitter, don't
Speaker 1: be so impatient. Look at all these and let me
Speaker 1: read this like footnote in here. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Oh, look at this, all these people, they're
Speaker 1: rolling people up and listen. I would have more faith
Speaker 1: in the investigation of Donald Trump around both the insurrection
Speaker 1: and the plot before that. I would have more faith
Speaker 1: in the Department of Justices efforts there had I seen
Speaker 1: any one single charge against Trump based on the Molo report,
Speaker 1: had I seen the Department of Justice really live up
Speaker 1: to its promises on white color crime and really great
Speaker 1: speeches when in fact and in contrast, if you look
Speaker 1: at the speeches about seizing yachts. We have seized two
Speaker 1: Russian's yachts right with civil forfeitsure. And you hear the
Speaker 1: bull ass speeches about like doesn't matter where you go,
Speaker 1: we will get you. I'm like, what about if you're
Speaker 1: an American man though, instead of a Russian oil gard
Speaker 1: What if you're an American kleptocrat. I know we've got
Speaker 1: the Klepto Capture task Force, how about the Klepto Trumpo
Speaker 1: task Force? And I know they're focused, and I know
Speaker 1: this is hard, but it's taking too long. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I just want to say one thing. Brag
Speaker 1: out of the Manhattan Day's Office. When it was the
Speaker 1: first charges under sivance against Donald Trump's organization and against Weisslberg.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember the reference to the fact that
Speaker 1: this was also federal tax fraud. I cage federal tax fraud.
Speaker 1: People have been indicted in convictions upheld on less than
Speaker 1: what was there? Where the hell is a DOJ on
Speaker 1: those charges? Your guess is as good as mine, Jennifer,
Speaker 1: your guests is as good as mine. I gotta tell you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much for making the time to
Speaker 1: join us on. Okay, and you have to come back
Speaker 1: because until because I believe again that Francis Willis is
Speaker 1: going to be the only person to have enough goal,
Speaker 1: have enough strength to indict Donald Trump, and I believe
Speaker 1: that we're going to have to protect her at all costs.
Speaker 1: So doing that now. Yeah, by the way, will you
Speaker 1: promise to have me back? Will you text me? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, listen, send me a message any hour, any
Speaker 1: day when the indictment comes down, because I will get
Speaker 1: off the phone with you and shout and scream. I
Speaker 1: will appreciate you, friend, thank you for all you are
Speaker 1: doing and continue to do, and we will definitely have
Speaker 1: you back soon. Thank you for everything you're doing. Hey there,
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