Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky and jukie. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I ghosted.
Speaker 2: Nandas Pllease hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted.
Speaker 1: By Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people
Speaker 1: that I like about the para normal You guys, So,
Speaker 1: I saw Oh Mary on Broadway, the hit play, which
Speaker 1: is so funny. Cola Scola is a genius. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just had the time of my life watching this
Speaker 1: play and there was one of the stars, James Scully
Speaker 1: on stage, just just brilliant, and we got to talking
Speaker 1: and I invited him on the pod and we had
Speaker 1: a great time. Okay, I think you're gonna like this one.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm on tour right now, so make sure
Speaker 1: you go see me all over America doing stand up
Speaker 1: comedy and gay bars. Ros Hernandez tour dot com is
Speaker 1: where you can find those tickets. I think we'll just
Speaker 1: skip a story for this intro because we got this
Speaker 1: is a beefy one we get into it. So here
Speaker 1: is my conversation with actor Broadway star James Scully on
Speaker 1: with the show. Oh my god, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I feel as if I have manifested the Cutie Convention
Speaker 1: is in town, and I had no clue because I
Speaker 1: am joined today via Skype by James Scully.
Speaker 3: Hello. Hello. I didn't know where that was going.
Speaker 1: I didn't either, clearly.
Speaker 3: I just and then I realized, like, wait, am I
Speaker 3: the Cutie Convention?
Speaker 1: You are the Cuty Convention? But I guess you're not
Speaker 1: technically in town. You're in Are you in New York
Speaker 1: City right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm in I'm in Romantic Bushwick. Ever heard of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I stay there sometimes. I saw you in Oh Mary,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is incredible. I mean I
Speaker 1: already knew that, like the reviews. The reviews had been
Speaker 1: in by the time I saw it. But then I
Speaker 1: was like, who is this? You were so fantastic, Thank
Speaker 1: you Zarl. Now I'm fully obsessed with you.
Speaker 3: Oh same.
Speaker 1: Is that place haunted? That theater has to be haunted.
Speaker 3: The Lyceum. I have personally never had any experiences there,
Speaker 3: as much as I like walk around in that building alone,
Speaker 3: sort of like making space for a cold gust or
Speaker 3: a chill down my spine. There is a staircase that
Speaker 3: sort of goes up the tower where the dressing rooms are,
Speaker 3: and at the top of the building there's like an
Speaker 3: apartment up there that the Schubert's own that's an archive
Speaker 3: of like artifacts of all of their many contributions to
Speaker 3: the art form. And because we're not allowed up there,
Speaker 3: there's like a gate over the stairwell and then it
Speaker 3: just sort of ascends up into darkness. And while it
Speaker 3: has not happened yet, I am waiting for the day
Speaker 3: that as I walk past to go down to the stage,
Speaker 3: I look up and there on the shadowy landing there's
Speaker 3: just you know, like a pioneer woman, a flapper, a child. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just translucent sort of staring at me. The stage is
Speaker 3: set for that, but you know, I'm sure theater goes.
Speaker 3: They're not just going to show off to anyone.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're safe. I guarantee A chorus member fell down
Speaker 1: that staircase at some point to there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've fallen down that staircase.
Speaker 1: I didn't die, but I'm sure you know that one
Speaker 1: of these it's always a lady in white at every theater,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure she had her long ass white down
Speaker 1: on and she tripped over it and fell down the stairs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Bianca Lee bless her heart, knocking on Wood's pounds. Hoopskirt,
Speaker 3: isn't she just? Yeah? There is like a legend that
Speaker 3: I forget what the name of the actress is, but
Speaker 3: that her husband, who was a director, there's like a
Speaker 3: like in the in the ceiling of the actual theater space,
Speaker 3: there's like a trap door that opens up to the
Speaker 3: apartment above the theater, and when she would perform, he
Speaker 3: would open the trap door and lean down so he
Speaker 3: could like see down to the stage, and he thought
Speaker 3: she was overacting. He would wave a white handkerchief to
Speaker 3: basically be like, do less. Yeah, film we're going filmic
Speaker 3: with this one. Yeah. And they say that if you
Speaker 3: look up during a performance, then you're not, you know,
Speaker 3: giving what needs to be given. You might see a
Speaker 3: white handkerchief in the dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shade from the other side.
Speaker 3: I could not have put it better myself.
Speaker 1: I'm googling Lyceum Theater haunted. This is from playbill dot
Speaker 1: Com during the twenty ten run of The Scottsborough Boys.
Speaker 1: Coleman Domingo, Gee, im right down, Coleman Domingo. We got
Speaker 1: we gotta know someone that can get Coleman Domingo in here.
Speaker 1: I'm a protest with him. Do you know his story
Speaker 1: of how he met his partner? No, I forgot, I'll
Speaker 1: google it. But it's also kind of paranormal. Okay, So
Speaker 1: Coleman Domingo said, quote the Friday of our last weekend,
Speaker 1: things were happening backstage and on stage with the lights
Speaker 1: and the computer equipment. We definitely felt we were in
Speaker 1: the presence of ghosts. All right.
Speaker 3: I love though that he It's like, no, there was
Speaker 3: probably just a power surge. But you can always rely
Speaker 3: on the fun the homosexual to be like, no, it's ghosts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more fun that way, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely more fun that way. Who cares about bad wiring.
Speaker 3: Let's make a ghost.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, where's where I have another one? I
Speaker 1: just found another one that said something about Bob Fosse.
Speaker 3: I've already made this joke, but I would love Bob
Speaker 3: Fosse to be in here, and all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, zoh.
Speaker 3: Have you seen him? He's really and it's funny because
Speaker 3: his whole approach to art was informed by the fact
Speaker 3: that he was like bald and had weird joints. But
Speaker 3: then you like look at photos of him and you're like,
Speaker 3: that's a fine creative gentleman.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine the moves he'd be doing. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: so it says while every theater may claim to have
Speaker 1: a ghost, tales of choreographer Bob Fossey smoking on the
Speaker 1: mezzanine might be a stretch for even the most fervent believer.
Speaker 1: We do believe we have a ghost, says Emily Petrain,
Speaker 1: house manager of the Lyceum Theater. We are just not
Speaker 1: certain that it's mister Fossey.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh no, I was getting so excited.
Speaker 1: This is from NYC Tourism. It says the Fosse rumors
Speaker 1: began after the premiere of the Visit in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: which are Cheeta, rivera kandorinab There was one siding of
Speaker 1: him where Richard Reese looked up and saw him smoking
Speaker 1: in the balcony. But it's the only time we have
Speaker 1: ever seen him. They think the amount of people connected
Speaker 1: to him and that building at the time was enough
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: That's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 1: The conjured him.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say he was conjured. He was like
Speaker 3: I got to make sure this show's good. What's going on?
Speaker 3: One of my.
Speaker 1: Girls up to this is what the next conjuring movie
Speaker 1: should be. It's like Cheeta Rivera conjuring up the Ghost
Speaker 1: of Bob Fosse and they share cigarettes.
Speaker 3: And Patrick Wilson and Vera Formiga show up and they're like, actually,
Speaker 3: this is fine. We don't need to do anything about this.
Speaker 3: He can just be here.
Speaker 1: I just do an article that very for Mega is
Speaker 1: releasing a heavy.
Speaker 3: Metal album, Like I'm delighted by that, but I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: Like to that, I say, your move, Annabelle, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? I need Annabelle to give us
Speaker 1: like a doge. I don't know. She needs to. She
Speaker 1: needs to get in there and do something.
Speaker 3: Annabelle and Meghan the Robot and one more haunted doll
Speaker 3: need to like do like a like a black pink
Speaker 3: like girl group situation.
Speaker 1: That is not a bad idea, or maybe like a
Speaker 1: Lady marmalade. Uh yeah, so I do feel bad. Two
Speaker 1: future guests Coleman Domingo that I just like glossed over
Speaker 1: his story. So let's let's do that real quick, and
Speaker 1: then let's get back to you, and I want to
Speaker 1: hear your stories because I apologize I'm really hijacking this.
Speaker 3: No, I've met Coleman Domingo and his partner many times
Speaker 3: and they're both loved, but they've never given up the
Speaker 3: paranormal nature. I mean it's not.
Speaker 1: It's my opinion it's sort of paranormal because it's like
Speaker 1: one of these like meant to be.
Speaker 3: Right, sarendipity is I would say, like, yeah, it's paranormal.
Speaker 1: Are you someone that's into that kind of a thing, serendipity?
Speaker 1: If you were a drag queen, would your drag name
Speaker 1: be Sarah Dipity.
Speaker 3: I am into serendipity. I don't know that I would
Speaker 3: choose that as my drag name. But like, watch two
Speaker 3: years from now, you're in a club in LA. You
Speaker 3: look up and there's Sarah Dippity. Actually, Sarah Dippity is funny,
Speaker 3: like misstippity. If you're nasty, that's.
Speaker 1: Cute Dipity dipity.
Speaker 3: I love it, Ladies and Gentlemen's welcome to the stage.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I found this article from Them Them dot
Speaker 1: Us and it says okay. According to Domingo, he was
Speaker 1: at a Walgreens in Berkeley, California, Okay, in the year
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, great year. Getting a face mask,
Speaker 1: not like a COVID mask, like a you.
Speaker 3: Know, like the sheets, like sheet masks that they saw.
Speaker 1: The people weren't doing those in two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: I guess maybe he's after so he was like ahead
Speaker 3: of the curve.
Speaker 1: I bet he gets it.
Speaker 3: He gets it.
Speaker 1: He spotted a beautiful man with shoulder length hair and
Speaker 1: a lip piercing I love that, and the two locked eyes,
Speaker 1: but the man was absorbed into conversation with someone. As
Speaker 1: they both left the walgreens, the two continued to look
Speaker 1: at each other, with the future mister Domingo turning back
Speaker 1: several times to catch a second and third glimpse of Coleman. Later,
Speaker 1: while trying to purchase a used computer, Coleman was scanning
Speaker 1: misconnections ads on Craigslist, thinking that he might post one
Speaker 1: looking for the mysterious man with the shoulder length hair.
Speaker 1: He says, I go to page two of them, and
Speaker 1: I'm reading and I see quote saw you outside the
Speaker 1: Walgreens Berkeley. He placed an ad for me two hours
Speaker 1: before he described me with my faux haawk. It was
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I was like, get out
Speaker 1: of here. So we met up three days later and
Speaker 1: had our first date. I was trying to be a
Speaker 1: good boy and go home. He said, can you stay over?
Speaker 1: I said, sure, let's just cuddle. We cuddled. I thought
Speaker 1: he was asleep. Four o'clock in the morning. I couldn't sleep,
Speaker 1: and I said, I think I love you and you're
Speaker 1: about to change my life. And we've been together for
Speaker 1: nineteen years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't call it like paranormal feels
Speaker 3: like too spooky a word to describe it.
Speaker 1: So but it's like men's like bee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's magical. It is its genre. To be sure,
Speaker 3: it's it's okay.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not paranorma.
Speaker 3: That's well, I don't know. Maybe we can also like
Speaker 3: I don't don't let me put a negative connotation on paranormal.
Speaker 3: Paranormal can definitely be romantic. Why not. Yeah, either way,
Speaker 3: that's statistically anomalous. And I mean imagine being Coleman. You
Speaker 3: go to look and then it's it's actually there. You're
Speaker 3: like reading about yourself from that perspective.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like something that a psychic would do
Speaker 1: or something like, Yeah, yeah, and you try saying that
Speaker 1: psychics aren't paranormal. Good luck with that. Oh no, you
Speaker 1: don't want to get on the bad side of psychics.
Speaker 1: Been there, done.
Speaker 3: That, No, what happened just like bad dreams for a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've got every crystal in the book. They try,
Speaker 1: they try, they can into me. Do you believe in psychics?
Speaker 3: I guess yes, ultimately, would be my answer to that,
Speaker 3: because I definitely believed in sort of like intuition, especially
Speaker 3: between two people who are very close that goes beyond
Speaker 3: verbal communication or even like physical cues, like I do
Speaker 3: feel like me and my roommate, especially, there are moments
Speaker 3: where it's like, I think you just read my mind.
Speaker 3: I think you actually knew the thought I was having
Speaker 3: before I even knew what I was about to say.
Speaker 3: I also really believe in kindred spirits, that you can
Speaker 3: meet a person and it's like, Okay, we are like
Speaker 3: made of the same we originated from the same atoms
Speaker 3: like out in wherever, and we are like bonded in
Speaker 3: a way beyond just like you know, mutual interests and taste.
Speaker 3: And so I think if you meet someone like that
Speaker 3: out in the world and they happen to be working
Speaker 3: as a psychic. I think they definitely could tell you
Speaker 3: something about yourself you didn't already know.
Speaker 1: Oh so people that are how did you wear that?
Speaker 1: Like made from the same Would you say star stuff?
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be tweet. I think I said atoms,
Speaker 3: But what I wanted to say was star stuff.
Speaker 1: Star stuff. Now this is the place to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, good.
Speaker 1: That sounds way cuter than what I always think because
Speaker 1: I'm always like, like if I meet a bitch with
Speaker 1: bangs and like I could tell she likes the same
Speaker 1: kind of music as me and like the same movies,
Speaker 1: or I'm always like, we're like the same subspecies of human.
Speaker 1: We're like the same, right, But I think it's like
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. It just when I don't I
Speaker 1: need a new thing to say instead of subspecies because
Speaker 1: that just sounds stupid.
Speaker 3: I think subspecies is great.
Speaker 1: What about a dom species?
Speaker 3: But let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: Oh, tell me a ghost story now.
Speaker 3: I was on a road trip with my friends and
Speaker 3: we were sort of going down across the country from
Speaker 3: where we were at school together from Ohio, and we
Speaker 3: went sort of to like the bottom left hand corner
Speaker 3: of California, stopping along the way and then went up the.
Speaker 1: Ones that's a long way, and then went a bunch.
Speaker 3: Of other places. But the story I'm telling today concerns
Speaker 3: a little known monument in I think the Californian desert
Speaker 3: called a Salvation Mountain. Ah, this do you know about
Speaker 3: Salvation Mountain?
Speaker 1: I've never been there. I feel like, was it Kesha
Speaker 1: or somebody like ten years ago or something. I feel
Speaker 1: like she did something there and it had its moment
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, because the man who made it has been
Speaker 3: and by the time we went there, and this was
Speaker 3: in two thoy thirteen, I believe, and back then he
Speaker 3: had already been passed for a while. Also, something to
Speaker 3: know about Salve Mountain is a it's very near a
Speaker 3: brimstone lake. Like I remember waking up in the car
Speaker 3: and being like it reeks of sulfur and brimstone in
Speaker 3: the car, Like what is going on? And it's because
Speaker 3: there's this huge to the point where in prepping for this,
Speaker 3: I went back and I was like, was I high?
Speaker 3: Did I hallucinate that? What was going on? And there
Speaker 3: is a sulfric lake very near Salvation Mountain that like
Speaker 3: everything in it is dead because the pH of the
Speaker 3: water is just crazy. So just setting the scene that
Speaker 3: it's like we're in the middle of the desert. We're
Speaker 3: driving along the edge of this brimstone lake. It's already
Speaker 3: getting spooky. We're not even at Salvation Mountain yet.
Speaker 1: And Salvation Mountain, I don't know, y'all have to tell
Speaker 1: us more. All I know is that it's like everything's
Speaker 1: painted all colorful in Jesus. Ye right.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's the thing, is our friend, because we
Speaker 3: all sort of got to pick, like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: something I want to do, this is something I want
Speaker 3: to do. Along the course of the road trip, she
Speaker 3: really wanted to go to Salvation Mountain and when she
Speaker 3: pitched it, she was like, it's like a religious unity
Speaker 3: monument and we were like, great, But I love that
Speaker 3: you have to drive through a little town to get
Speaker 3: out there. The town. I'm sure that people do live there.
Speaker 3: I heard dogs, there was an elementary school. I saw
Speaker 3: toys in the yards. I did not see a single
Speaker 3: human person. It was giving that. It was giving, like
Speaker 3: we're in the middle of the middle of the middle
Speaker 3: of nowhere. There's a brimstone lake, I see houses, I
Speaker 3: see no people, I feel eerie. We get to Salvation Mountain.
Speaker 3: It is not a religious unity monument. It is about Jesus, okay,
Speaker 3: and it is this man in a moment of revelation
Speaker 3: in his life sort of abandoned everything he knew and
Speaker 3: had and moved out into the desert because this one scripture,
Speaker 3: one piece of scripture which I should have looked it
Speaker 3: up and I didn't. But listeners, you can google it
Speaker 3: your own discretion and learn the lore of Salvation Mountain
Speaker 3: came into his brain and he just really latched onto it.
Speaker 3: And so the whole sort of installation, which is mostly
Speaker 3: like hay bales and tires that he stacked and then
Speaker 3: coated and paint to create this like mountain, has that
Speaker 3: piece of scripture like over and over and over again
Speaker 3: all over the place. Yeah, if you google it, if
Speaker 3: you google like Salvation Mountain scripture, it'll be you'll know
Speaker 3: right away. And it's also it's not just the mountain.
Speaker 3: There's then sort of this like side piece that's like
Speaker 3: a little labyrinthian that goes off around the edge that's
Speaker 3: very sort of like the Beatles Yellow Submarine animated film.
Speaker 3: Coded there's like car doors embedded in the walls, and
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of like bottle top art, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It gives kind of like burning
Speaker 3: man art installation in the middle of the California desert.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's sort of funky.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, very technic color. But while there was a
Speaker 3: gentleman staying in a trailer on the property who sort
Speaker 3: of just like waved at us as we pulled up.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's like the official grounds keeper.
Speaker 3: He is not the man who built the installation. The
Speaker 3: car that the man lived in, which is just like
Speaker 3: kind of an old beat down truck with a little
Speaker 3: tiny house on the back. And by a little tiny house,
Speaker 3: I mean like that's troof over the bed of the truck. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you see it, tiny place to live. That's where he
Speaker 3: lived until he passed, and that's where he stayed when
Speaker 3: he was out there by himself building this monument, which
Speaker 3: is like the religious conviction of that, the spiritual conviction
Speaker 3: of that is beautiful, but it's also like what had
Speaker 3: gripped this man that he was like I must go
Speaker 3: into the middle of the desert and live as a
Speaker 3: hermit and build this thing.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus was like, hey, I haven't done a miracle.
Speaker 1: How's that Peyton doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have all those fumes treating yet I'm just.
Speaker 1: Picturing Jesus up looking down being like, so you've been
Speaker 1: out there for a couple of weeks. You haven't gotten
Speaker 1: that far. Just a couple of hay bows and so
Speaker 1: paint what's going on here? You love me or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not feeling I'm not feeling the commitment. So
Speaker 3: we get there and he again the man who made it,
Speaker 3: Like we're like googling it as we're pulling up. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: he's been dead at this point for like five or
Speaker 3: eight years, so no shade to what he has accomplished.
Speaker 3: But it's gotten a little dusty. There is an air
Speaker 3: of I would say, neglect, and you know the vibe
Speaker 3: when you like look at pictures of like like churches
Speaker 3: that have like collapsed and or rotting in the middle
Speaker 3: of the woods somewhere, and it's like this used to
Speaker 3: be a place for like spiritual reflection and gathering. NOI
Speaker 3: you know that's a little creepy deep Dutch.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like on the dating apps, what you
Speaker 1: see the person in person you go, oh, I can
Speaker 1: tell you that you you were in the picture.
Speaker 3: Where was that picture from? Yeah? When was that that
Speaker 3: was from? That was also from twenty thirteen, and it's
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. So like, for example, just off the
Speaker 3: main mountain, there were three rooms, one of them full
Speaker 3: of Bibles, all open to the same page on which
Speaker 3: the piece of scripture he used was. But these bibles
Speaker 3: have been sitting in the California desert, so they're not
Speaker 3: doing great. So you're like, okay, it's a little carry
Speaker 3: a la Stephen King energy in here. The next room
Speaker 3: was a shrine where people had brought IDs. It was
Speaker 3: a lot of IDs. It was a lot of like drivers,
Speaker 3: like licenses and passports and like little notes and like
Speaker 3: just like lining the walls of this room. We were
Speaker 3: the only people there by the way, just for clarity,
Speaker 3: it was just like me and my two friends. She
Speaker 3: was having a gay old time. My other friend was like,
Speaker 3: you know, walking around looking at things. So we're having
Speaker 3: a solo experience basically. So I'm looking at all of
Speaker 3: these IDs and I don't have the context. It's like
Speaker 3: are these people dead? Are they missing? Were they left
Speaker 3: here as a curse? Like what inspire somebody to bring
Speaker 3: a piece of identification, because it's like, presumably if the
Speaker 3: person's driver's license was available to be left in the
Speaker 3: middle of the desert, I feel like that's that doesn't
Speaker 3: bode well for whoever is on that ID, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's like if they don't need their
Speaker 3: driver's license anymore, what happened to them is what I
Speaker 3: had to ask. Yeah, and then the final little room
Speaker 3: is like a winged angel statue, but the head has
Speaker 3: been knocked off and one of the wings is missing.
Speaker 1: Terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's getting heavy, like the nun abandoned church energy.
Speaker 3: I go off to the side. There's also four texture.
Speaker 3: Lots of cats, Oh, lots of cats just sort of
Speaker 3: out and about. You see them sleeping and napping in
Speaker 3: the sun. They're up on the hay bales.
Speaker 1: They're jellico say that. Wait, now I have a question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is the sun still out?
Speaker 3: It is, but it is beginning to set.
Speaker 1: Oh, you better get out of there quick.
Speaker 3: The clock is ticking on that. Off to the side
Speaker 3: of the mountain, there's like sort of this like little
Speaker 3: sort of like maze thing, this like art installation. I'm
Speaker 3: walking around. I'm looking, and part of it is this
Speaker 3: big cone structure, like very large, and going up through
Speaker 3: the middle of it is a desiccated tree. And then
Speaker 3: he had sort of made a cone of painted hay
Speaker 3: bales around a desicated tree. So you walk in and
Speaker 3: you sort of have to do a walk around the
Speaker 3: desicated tree to sort of take in that whole space.
Speaker 3: And on the outside, it's painted, it's colorful, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's a little sun faded, but it truly is astonishing
Speaker 3: that he was able to build all of this himself.
Speaker 3: On the inside you can see that it's just hay
Speaker 3: bales and they're stacked sort of like bricks. I'm already
Speaker 3: at this point, you know, the sun is setting. I
Speaker 3: am sort of like a gay and a monument to Jesus.
Speaker 3: I'm having a lot of complicated feelings. The angel saise
Speaker 3: you didn't have a head. The bibles are rotting. I
Speaker 3: don't know where the IDs came from. I'm feeling feelings.
Speaker 3: I get around to the far side of the tree
Speaker 3: and in the wall of hay bales, there is a
Speaker 3: spot where one hay bale is missing that just goes
Speaker 3: into a dark hole. There's just sort of like a
Speaker 3: black square vacuum in the middle of all of these haybills,
Speaker 3: and there's still light coming in from outside from the
Speaker 3: top of the conical structure. So I'm looking at this
Speaker 3: dark spot and I'm like, where does this go? What
Speaker 3: is this? Does it go into the ground? Like what
Speaker 3: am I looking at? And I remember sort of around
Speaker 3: the periphery of that hole, there's like a crumpled up
Speaker 3: gallon jug of water, there's wrappers, and there's just this
Speaker 3: dark space, and I just stand there for a while,
Speaker 3: just staring into it. Have you had a paranormal experience
Speaker 3: in your life?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Right, I think so?
Speaker 3: Who knows, right, But when something weird and unexpected like
Speaker 3: that is happening, your brain, like I just my cognitive
Speaker 3: function just slowed down, and you're just sort of like,
Speaker 3: not me, not right now.
Speaker 1: I can tell you I've definitely stared into some confusing
Speaker 1: looking holes in my day.
Speaker 3: I was staring into It wasn't unlike that experience. I'm
Speaker 3: sure I was staring into the abyss, and the abyss
Speaker 3: was staring back into me, and I, you know, increasingly
Speaker 3: got to a place of like I don't really want
Speaker 3: to take my eyes off of this thing. I do
Speaker 3: not want to put my back to it to leave
Speaker 3: the space, but I had to, so I turn around.
Speaker 3: And you know that feeling when you're a little kid,
Speaker 3: when you're coming back from the bathroom from getting a
Speaker 3: drink of water or going pea in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night and you're walking back down the hall to
Speaker 3: your room and you're like, I can't run because if
Speaker 3: I run, the thing, whatever it is, will know that
Speaker 3: I'm afraid and will know that I know that it's
Speaker 3: there is when it will decide to get me.
Speaker 1: When I'm a kid last I had that last night twice.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe look into some tras adone. I'm worried about you.
Speaker 3: I want you to get good sleep and relaxed.
Speaker 1: Terrif I peel out when I sleep, I don't worry.
Speaker 1: I get up and do it in the bathroom where
Speaker 1: I'm supposed.
Speaker 3: To, no judgment either way.
Speaker 1: But I am terrified every single time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still scared of the dark. I don't I
Speaker 3: don't love it. I don't love absolutely darkness. So you
Speaker 3: know that like body lock that you get where you're like,
Speaker 3: I'm walking, but it's very casual. I'm just walking. I'm
Speaker 3: just walking.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I start to walk away around the other side of
Speaker 3: the desiccated tree. And as sure as I am sitting
Speaker 3: here with you on this scene right now, in my
Speaker 3: right ear, as though someone was standing just over my
Speaker 3: right shoulder, I hear whispered, ever so quietly and with
Speaker 3: the definite smirk in the voice. Hi. Two things happen
Speaker 3: when I hear that one. You know, I would not
Speaker 3: come on this podcast to bullshit you. You can. I
Speaker 3: can have my friends send in their testimony.
Speaker 1: This is what happened, Okay, I trust you.
Speaker 3: I hear that voice. All of the cats, all of them,
Speaker 3: at least a dozen cats start yowling all at once,
Speaker 3: that like bad cat scream where you're like, that cat
Speaker 3: is fighting for its life somewhere something bad is happening
Speaker 3: to that cat. A chorus, if you will, of cacophonous
Speaker 3: atonal cat screams erupts around the compound, and I fucking
Speaker 3: book it out there. I'm like, goodbye, no more walking
Speaker 3: for me. I don't care if the thing sees me.
Speaker 3: I'm running out. We're running. I hope the monster, the
Speaker 3: ghoul the hills have eyes. Character living in that haybail
Speaker 3: has track shoes. On because we're.
Speaker 1: Thatching throw a cat at it.
Speaker 3: Run I run back out into the like main space.
Speaker 3: I just sprint out, frantic. The gentleman is standing outside
Speaker 3: his trailer looking at me. My girlfriend, whose idea this was,
Speaker 3: is standing up on the mountain looking down at me,
Speaker 3: and my other gay friend is already standing by the car,
Speaker 3: looking quite pale. The sun is now much closer to
Speaker 3: the horizon, and I just sort of stop, and everyone's
Speaker 3: just sort of looking at me, and I just like
Speaker 3: look up at my girlfriend and she looks at the
Speaker 3: guy standing outside his trailer and she's like, haha, sorry,
Speaker 3: I think he got like a little scared or something.
Speaker 3: And I look over at the man and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I just don't know what to say. He's just sort
Speaker 3: of smiling at me. He was, by the way, giving
Speaker 3: very like you got yourself a real purty mouth. And
Speaker 3: then she's no shade to him, but he was that.
Speaker 3: He was a character. He was kind of in retrospect.
Speaker 3: I kind of would under other circumstances, but it was
Speaker 3: not the moment for that. No. So I look over
Speaker 3: at him and I say, sir, I think something's upset
Speaker 3: your cats. And I, you know, Unfortunately, I can't remember
Speaker 3: exactly what it is that he said back to me,
Speaker 3: probably because I know I should have just like scripted something,
Speaker 3: but I really want this again. All this actually happened
Speaker 3: as I'm describing it, so I really racked my brain
Speaker 3: trying to be like, what is the because I remember
Speaker 3: it was something eerie. It was like he had like
Speaker 3: a script of like and then when the gay runs
Speaker 3: out into the middle of the field, this is what
Speaker 3: I say to him about the cats. He smiles his like,
Speaker 3: you know, missing a couple of teeth, smile at me,
Speaker 3: and he says something like, yeah, they don't take too
Speaker 3: kindly to guests sometimes or something. It was something like
Speaker 3: kind of charming, a little hokey, but ultimately very sinister.
Speaker 3: And I was like, so, you know, like, you know that,
Speaker 3: I know that, you know that I know that I
Speaker 3: just had an experience in your art installation, which again
Speaker 3: I'm unclear you are now the proprietor of, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know how this works. Are you related to the
Speaker 3: man who built it? What's the story? I didn't stop
Speaker 3: to ask. I said thank you so much and walked
Speaker 3: back over to the car where my friend Ian was standing.
Speaker 3: I make eye contact with him, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: think that we should get out of here right now.
Speaker 3: And Ian's like, yeah, why do you think I'm already
Speaker 3: standing by the fucking car. Let's go. We get a
Speaker 3: picture of my other friend up on the top of
Speaker 3: the mountain. She's like having a really good time. She
Speaker 3: comes down. Oh, she's she's kind of like visibly bothered
Speaker 3: that we're both having like a harrowing emotional experience of
Speaker 3: her little side quest. We get back in the car.
Speaker 3: We're driving out of there. The sun has set. We
Speaker 3: have to stop at a railroad crossing, so the arm
Speaker 3: comes down. It's the middle of the desert. The red
Speaker 3: lights are flashing, the train is pouring by. We're just
Speaker 3: sitting in the car in silence. There's now a big,
Speaker 3: swollen yellow moon up in the sky, and I'm just
Speaker 3: looking in the rear view mirror, just like waiting, waiting
Speaker 3: for something to come out of the night. And it didn't.
Speaker 3: We made it out of there. You know, probably did
Speaker 3: irreparable damage to my cardiovascular system. Certainly. Still, the thought
Speaker 3: of it keeps me up at night, the thought of
Speaker 3: that voice, the glee in that little voice, that little
Speaker 3: high wait.
Speaker 1: But what happened to your friend? Why was your gay
Speaker 1: friend so like, oh.
Speaker 3: He because he was having First of all, again, we
Speaker 3: were promised that we were going to an art installation
Speaker 3: that's like Hinduism, Judaism, right, Christianity, Islam, like the Buddha.
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, it wasn't that. It was this
Speaker 3: gentleman experiencing said with love a certain level of sort
Speaker 3: of like religious fervor medical professionals might say mania and
Speaker 3: building basically like a huge shrine in the desert, which
Speaker 3: then I think, you know, I think his body was
Speaker 3: somewhere on the premises.
Speaker 1: Guess where, But do you think it was in the hole?
Speaker 3: It's always in the hole, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think those cats knew exactly what was going on,
Speaker 1: and they knew that there was a Jesus Man that
Speaker 1: was buried under there.
Speaker 3: That's what was scary about whatever the man in the
Speaker 3: trailer said to me. Again, I don't remember what exactly
Speaker 3: his words were, because you don't remember what a person says,
Speaker 3: You just remember how they make you feel. But whatever
Speaker 3: he said implied the presence of like a third body
Speaker 3: in this conversation. Like whatever his response to me was,
Speaker 3: it was like there's you, there's the cats, and then
Speaker 3: there's you know, I'm making vague reference to another person
Speaker 3: who's here with us, and I'm like, they're here with it,
Speaker 3: Like they're in the trailer, Like we're gonna like we're
Speaker 3: going to meet them, like is it your wife? My
Speaker 3: friend Ian who was by the car, he just too
Speaker 3: had picked up that there was I mean, look it is.
Speaker 3: It's an inherently spooky, uoky place. And then on top
Speaker 3: of that we had a spooky uky experience. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: and it's Look, I only read books about magic and aliens.
Speaker 3: I don't like realistic fiction. I want the world to
Speaker 3: be I'm I'm walking, I'm doing laps in the lyceum,
Speaker 3: being like if you're here, please, you know, come shrieking
Speaker 3: out of the wall at me, like.
Speaker 1: But don't be two thirsty ear else they're going to
Speaker 1: be like ugh no.
Speaker 3: Right, that's why they're not showing up, because they're like
Speaker 3: this little this little queer, she's going to get baptized
Speaker 3: by us. Not likely.
Speaker 1: You just got to be like, uh whatever, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're here, fine, I don't I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: care either way.
Speaker 3: Don't text the ghosts back, start a seance, and then
Speaker 3: just sort of like stop replying, play hard to get
Speaker 3: with the other side. No, which is why I say,
Speaker 3: you know it. So nothing has happened before this, and
Speaker 3: nothing has happened after, even though I've looked for it,
Speaker 3: and even though I've wanted it, which is why I
Speaker 3: feel such conviction in this story that it's like, no,
Speaker 3: that did happen.
Speaker 1: This feels like a very trustworthy source right now.
Speaker 3: And again, if you're hearing this and you're like, well,
Speaker 3: I went to Salvation Mountain and I had a great
Speaker 3: time and I felt awakened. I'm glad that that was
Speaker 3: your experience, and I want to leave space for that
Speaker 3: to be other people's experience, but you know this was
Speaker 3: my experience.
Speaker 1: Well, they probably went after you after the demon leapt
Speaker 1: out and latched onto you, so it's probably like great
Speaker 1: there now, it's probably very clean and clear and.
Speaker 3: Claud you reckon. Yeah, I took the darkness with me, but.
Speaker 1: Now I don't think and.
Speaker 3: That's why now I'm a gay actor. That's how I
Speaker 3: ended up this.
Speaker 1: Way, you know, speaking of reliable sources, which I do,
Speaker 1: I do feel very convinced that no, it was very
Speaker 1: good and you're a very amazing storyteller.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I was like, this is going to
Speaker 3: take a second for me to get out, and I
Speaker 3: really wanted to give you the full picture. So thank
Speaker 3: you for giving me the time to do it.
Speaker 1: Wait. You know another thing. I was thinking, Scully, do
Speaker 1: you ever hear X Files?
Speaker 3: Oh? All the time when I was in second grade,
Speaker 3: when that show was sort of having its its cultural peak.
Speaker 3: I didn't appreciate the parallel because I knew that Scully
Speaker 3: was the girl and already, you know, second grade South Texas.
Speaker 3: I'm like, girl, bad way good me girl, no no
Speaker 3: me man me noo girl meno talk with hands me
Speaker 3: no wear pink meno. Jillian Anderson. Well, now, in retrospect,
Speaker 3: I'm like to be compared to Jillian Anderson at seven
Speaker 3: years old, I should be so fucking lucky, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 1: She always came up for me because she is from
Speaker 1: the same hometown as me. So people would be like,
Speaker 1: the lady from the X Files is from here, you know,
Speaker 1: which is where Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that sounds like a theme park. Come on,
Speaker 3: it's a fun thing about The X Files, which you've
Speaker 3: watched I assume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not every single episode.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a scary. Sometimes it's fun, but it's
Speaker 3: there are some scary episodes in there. The fun thing
Speaker 3: about the X Files is, you know, her character's name
Speaker 3: is Dana Scully. My brother, sweet Connor, sweet Ronoch, the Barbarian,
Speaker 3: his long time I'm partner is named Dana. I know.
Speaker 3: And so we're like, look, people should get married or
Speaker 3: not get married based on their own prerogatives, and people
Speaker 3: should certainly only exchange last names if it feels right,
Speaker 3: especially if it's you know, the obligation is on the
Speaker 3: woman to rearrange her monogram. That said, we are sort
Speaker 3: of like, and I feel like Dana is sort of
Speaker 3: leading the charge on this. She's like, if we did,
Speaker 3: and I did, my name would be Dana Scully. I mean,
Speaker 3: let's celebrate that iconic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Going back to reliable sources, I have I have got
Speaker 1: a haunted doll currently for sale.
Speaker 3: On eBay that you're selling.
Speaker 1: No, but it's just one that I found. I like
Speaker 1: to feature a different one every single episode. Can I
Speaker 1: show you?
Speaker 3: Yes? Please?
Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So I
Speaker 1: just go to eBay here's the thing. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know this. Thousands of haunted eBay alleged haunted
Speaker 1: eBay dolls for sale at all times.
Speaker 3: But you think some of those people are cloud chasing.
Speaker 3: Not all of those dolls are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's a lot of different situations. Listen. I've
Speaker 1: spent hours looking at these, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: situations going on here. I don't believe a lot of them,
Speaker 1: but I will say because it's it's really coincidental to
Speaker 1: have you on, because particularly all the ways you laid out,
Speaker 1: like why your story is real. I actually feel that
Speaker 1: way about this one for the exact same reason, which
Speaker 1: is rare, okay, because usually it's like these people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: this doll does this, and it does that, and here's
Speaker 1: its name and here's what it does whatever, and then
Speaker 1: you go to their profile and like they have forty
Speaker 1: seven other ones that they are trying to sell. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's giving the same copy and pasted bio. It gets lazy. Okay,
Speaker 1: this one, I looked at the person's profile. They didn't
Speaker 1: have any other haunted dolls they were selling, like just
Speaker 1: random junk from their house. So I was kind of like,
Speaker 1: that's a good sign for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great flag for sure.
Speaker 1: Okay, her name is Anna. She's going for one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty dollars. Jaha, show us Anna plays you got
Speaker 1: it ras? Oh that's Anna.
Speaker 3: You know what. It's kind of giving. It's giving, Like
Speaker 3: the energy of this on the space is giving, sort
Speaker 3: of like can I hit your dame.
Speaker 1: With flavors that I don't even care? Let me just
Speaker 1: try it. Yeah, give me goodies for sure. Well, she's
Speaker 1: got like she's got like a short Lady Diana haircut,
Speaker 1: and then I can't tell what's going on on top
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, there's life a just random high pony situation.
Speaker 3: Half up, half down arianky.
Speaker 1: I guess. But the hair's very short.
Speaker 3: No, it's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what that is. But she does
Speaker 1: have sort of a honestly and oh Mary kind of
Speaker 1: air address on.
Speaker 3: It's it's not not giving. Yeah, Like like if Mary
Speaker 3: Todd Lincoln had a sister who was plagued by spiritual visions,
Speaker 3: I do feel like this is sort of what she
Speaker 3: would look like.
Speaker 1: Yes, a sister with a heavy hand on the blush
Speaker 1: and forgot to put lipstick on the top lip. But
Speaker 1: certainly did the bottom.
Speaker 3: I will say, her face though, she's like she's struggling
Speaker 3: with the hair, but her beat has stayed. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. That's like honestasy of
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills. Or the eyes are clean, you know, the
Speaker 3: cheeks are rouged.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a really good setting spray. Okay.
Speaker 1: So here's what it says, because they all come with
Speaker 1: like a little bio so one hundred and twenty dollars Anna,
Speaker 1: So it says a lost human spirit seems to have
Speaker 1: transferred over to this doll. Anna. Nothing too evil has
Speaker 1: really happened with Anna as far as I know, but
Speaker 1: there have been some strange occurrences. It rained when she
Speaker 1: was taken outside two times, a picture fell off the
Speaker 1: wall when I took her in my office, okay, and
Speaker 1: some people feel a sudden rush of sadness when they
Speaker 1: see her. I mean, the doll is apparently capable of
Speaker 1: moving on her own. Apparent. This is just hearsay, according
Speaker 1: to the person selling this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that, they say, apparently, as though it's like,
Speaker 3: so did someone just tell you that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where are you getting your second get a hand?
Speaker 3: News? Said it gets a little lazy, but I kind
Speaker 3: of love that it gets a little lazy.
Speaker 1: It says, I am not a hundred present sure, but
Speaker 1: I do think I saw her move a couple of times. Okay,
Speaker 1: I am not a big believer in things like this,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to now.
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, so very me and that it's like
Speaker 3: I want to believe very ex files. I want to believe,
Speaker 3: but I've never seen proof. But like, now there's the stall.
Speaker 1: But like, apparently she moves. I think I saw her,
Speaker 1: but I'm not really sure. I really appreciate this person,
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 3: No, that the coyness, the sort of like humble, demure
Speaker 3: nature of the description, I agree, does lend itself to
Speaker 3: an air of integrity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because most of these as they're trying to make
Speaker 1: some extra coin. They're like, if you buy this doll,
Speaker 1: she will slap you in your sleep, just so you
Speaker 1: know you've been warned. And this person is like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I think apparently she moves. I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's also like she has the ability to control the weather.
Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty dollars. That's a modest that's a
Speaker 3: modest sum for a doll that can literally make it rain. Truly,
Speaker 3: somebody in La needs to buy her for the next
Speaker 3: drought and then just sit her out on there and
Speaker 3: their patio. Do your work. Anna.
Speaker 1: It says she comes from an abandoned house that my
Speaker 1: friend just bought. I am not sure if she is
Speaker 1: good or bad, but I still want her to go
Speaker 1: to a good home. She is still dusty and dirty,
Speaker 1: just the way she was found. Thanks for looking. Please
Speaker 1: check out the other items in my store. Okay, hang
Speaker 1: on a second. So your friend just bought a new house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, an abandoned house.
Speaker 1: I found this doll, and then you are now selling
Speaker 1: it for one hundred and twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I guess a lot of these reports must
Speaker 3: have come from the friend who purchased the house. And
Speaker 3: it is sort of like, and I'm filling in some
Speaker 3: blanks here, I'm projecting, I'm assuming a lot, but it
Speaker 3: is kind of intriguing that It's like the friend was like,
Speaker 3: I don't want this anywhere, Please take this away from me.
Speaker 1: And then this person said, well, I'm going to make
Speaker 1: some money if I'm going to have to take this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this person said, you know, I have my eyes on.
Speaker 3: What's something that would cost one hundred and twenty dollars
Speaker 3: in this economy?
Speaker 1: I need some new sneakers.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I need some I need some White
Speaker 3: Air Force ones. And with tax, that comes out to
Speaker 3: just about one hundred and twenty dollars. So that's what
Speaker 3: this doll is going for. Oh imagine this doll with
Speaker 3: some tiny White Air Force ones on her. She pulls
Speaker 3: up her little skirt. She's like, you like the sneakers.
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to making it rain, I
Speaker 1: think the person that's selling this is trying to make
Speaker 1: it rain on them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, I would like some rain?
Speaker 1: Can I play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: Please play me some ghost voices.
Speaker 1: It's time for EVP or ev please okay. The term
Speaker 1: EVP electronic voice phenomenal. Okay. So this is when people
Speaker 1: believe they've captured a ghost speaking.
Speaker 3: That wasn't audible to the human ear, but they like
Speaker 3: put up a recording.
Speaker 1: Pretty much, gotcha. It has shown up upon further inspection.
Speaker 1: So these are two that I found on this website
Speaker 1: phone called it's called YouTube.
Speaker 3: Oh I've not heard of that.
Speaker 1: Check it out. People go on YouTube and they will
Speaker 1: post a ghost saying all kinds of shit. I've got
Speaker 1: two of them for you right here. This first one
Speaker 1: is from Shanley Hotel eighty two eighty five.
Speaker 3: Shout out to you, Shanley.
Speaker 1: This is a famous haunted hotel.
Speaker 3: Okay, it like is what.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can stay at it. I think
Speaker 1: it's just like a place that people go to to
Speaker 1: like ghost hunt and it's a NAPA knock, New York.
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if you hear anything, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give you an ABCD. And one
Speaker 1: of those is what they believe it says. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is this ghost saying?
Speaker 3: Can I hear one more time? What do you think
Speaker 3: I just one more time? It sounds like the last
Speaker 3: word sounds like shut to me. Now I'm thinking Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings, the way it's shut. But it sounds
Speaker 3: like the something is the something something is shut. It's
Speaker 3: like the well, now it doesn't sound like that, so well.
Speaker 1: Let me give you some options. One of these is
Speaker 1: what allegedly the ghost is saying. Is it saying A,
Speaker 1: I'm so cute and hot? Okay, B I'm still looking
Speaker 1: on okay, see absolutely not? Or D I'm a super top.
Speaker 1: All right, it's one of those let me play it again.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is funny because I love all of those
Speaker 3: options obviously, and I'm a little relieved that it's not
Speaker 3: the way is shut, because whoever was hearing that in
Speaker 3: that moment, that's like bad news for them. I do
Speaker 3: think it's absolutely not. And I love, you know, imagining
Speaker 3: that specter coming across whatever the recording device is and
Speaker 3: just being like, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Not, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not doing this. You think I died
Speaker 3: and stayed tied to the mortal realm so you could
Speaker 3: like record me on your iPhone thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I already know this is gonna end up
Speaker 1: on a podcast at some point. Absolutely not. No interviews. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got one more for you, And this one is
Speaker 1: like a more organic kind of a grass fact, the
Speaker 1: more granola. It's just sort of a to the naked ear.
Speaker 1: It's sort of a talking Okay. This one was posted
Speaker 1: by this guy who has really good EVPs and stuff.
Speaker 1: His name is Brandon Elvis and it's at a place
Speaker 1: called Andre Spico Adobe in Mission Hills, California. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is this ghost, say Jaggs Gully.
Speaker 3: No, no, okay, that's how I heard y'all please help troubling?
Speaker 3: No coming, Yeah, y'all, please help me? Is what it
Speaker 3: sounded like to me. I'm not even coming. Do you
Speaker 3: hear what I'm saying? And the sort of the whatever
Speaker 3: that pitter pattern is, it's like, yeah, it's really unchanteling.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just add this person that posted this
Speaker 1: did say that the floor is currently tile and it's
Speaker 1: it picked up on the sound. It sounded like footsteps
Speaker 1: on wood, right, spooky. Well, let me give you some options. Okay,
Speaker 1: is it a yah? Quay? Is y'all still is that
Speaker 1: still in the in the culture.
Speaker 3: I think we're quickly approaching that we got so oversaturated
Speaker 3: with it that it became passe. Not me a white
Speaker 3: cistender gay man citing what words people get to say.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be back.
Speaker 3: No, I think we're circling back around.
Speaker 1: Okay, is it B No, this can't be? Is it
Speaker 1: c so cold or d? Yeah, it's called t okay
Speaker 1: no to those options again, Yeah, it's called t.
Speaker 3: What's funny is that in my understanding of gave an
Speaker 3: ocular absolutely not for our last is to me absolutely so.
Speaker 3: I was ready for this one yes, yes, it's called
Speaker 3: T is option D.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called T.
Speaker 3: Imagining all of the fertile moments which a ghost could
Speaker 3: say that see.
Speaker 1: I pictured that being like the ghost of a lady
Speaker 1: that has seen a couple of episodes of drag Race,
Speaker 1: and she's trying to explain to another friend, like what
Speaker 1: you just saw is called tea. That's what they call it.
Speaker 3: Or the ghost hunters are sort of like in a
Speaker 3: moment of revelation, They're like, and she hasn't been seen
Speaker 3: in over twenty five years, and the ghost.
Speaker 1: Says, no, yeah, it's called tea.
Speaker 3: I want to choose one of the fun options. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I I do think it's what was the second option?
Speaker 3: This no one know, this can't be, which is also
Speaker 3: kind of gay. The pageantry of that, the pageantry of
Speaker 3: like be, that's what like a sort of like David
Speaker 3: Bowie coated queer in Brooklyn looks down and realized that
Speaker 3: they've spilt their muck Damien Latte on their shirt, on
Speaker 3: their blouse, and they say, no, this cannot be.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I can see that scenario. I will say
Speaker 1: when I listen to the full one, which I have
Speaker 1: edited down because there's a long pause, and then it
Speaker 1: very much sounds like it goes, no, this can't be,
Speaker 1: and then it goes really and I'm like listening to it, thinking,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it kind of sounds like a ghost
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, am I dad, You're.
Speaker 3: Just so sad, like their dying moment, like them waking
Speaker 3: up or yeah, I guess just like realizing the moment
Speaker 3: of clarity that they're like, oh I'm not. I have
Speaker 3: shuffled not all the way off this mortal coil, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you're gonna record me and put me
Speaker 1: on the internet. Wait, now that we know it's no,
Speaker 1: this can't be, let me play it one more time. No, okay,
Speaker 1: what like, let me offer an e an e option.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 1: That's campy, Yo, that's camp campy y. That's campy, James Scully,
Speaker 1: that's all.
Speaker 3: This was delightful. I'm going to go to dinner with
Speaker 3: my friends and Williamsburg tonight. I think I'm going to
Speaker 3: walk there and I'm going to be available to you know,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be looking around sort of like maybe.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe, you know, just be open.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Although again, like we said, they're like, no, not
Speaker 3: that one. He wants it too bad, I know for
Speaker 3: a haunting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like that polyamorous couple that it's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, they're coming. They're coming over here. Okay, Like
Speaker 1: they're like you, they're tooth, like, let me come to you, right.
Speaker 3: They said, hey, we saw you from across the bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have already seen them work in the whole room.
Speaker 1: They're going up to everyone, and now they've made their
Speaker 1: way to me.
Speaker 3: Oh here worse than when you're like, okay, I saw
Speaker 3: I saw myself be your third choice. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean? You think I didn't notice you talking?
Speaker 1: You get this straight. You're in a committed relationship with
Speaker 1: each other, so you already have that, and then you
Speaker 1: wanted another person, you didn't get them, you didn't get
Speaker 1: the next person, and now you're going to settle for me.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, you know what I say to that, No, this
Speaker 1: can't be or wait, or I say another thing, which
Speaker 1: is this right here?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I've already said to a person in a club.
Speaker 3: I'm sure at one point or another in a case,
Speaker 3: I've said absolutely not. But the next time, next time.
Speaker 3: All loved to the polyamorous community, A couple comes up
Speaker 3: to me to scout me as talent. I'm going to
Speaker 3: say no, this can't be and I'll see what they
Speaker 3: do with that. Maybe if they respond, well, I'll be like,
Speaker 3: you know what, this is the screening process, and you passed.
Speaker 3: Let's get out of here.
Speaker 1: Jame Scully ros where do you want people to find you?
Speaker 1: What's going on in your life?
Speaker 4: Well, at the time this airs, I will be in
Speaker 4: the juicy hot middle of my and Conrad, Rick Amora
Speaker 4: and one Dame Cola Scolas returned to Oh Mary, Oh
Speaker 4: you going back?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're all going back.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So we are going back to tread the boards once more.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that person who stepped into your shoes?
Speaker 3: Oh, dear dear friend of the pod. I'm sure Chris Renfrow.
Speaker 1: Chris Renfro has been on this pod.
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean how I cont Yeah.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get We're gonna get everyone from the show
Speaker 1: one way or another.
Speaker 3: I know Cole likes dolls, and I'm sure at least
Speaker 3: one of Cole's dolls is haunted.
Speaker 1: Please just put it in a good word.
Speaker 3: I oh, I absolutely will. I'm sure. I'm sure they
Speaker 3: have a ghost story for you. I wonder if they
Speaker 3: believe in the paranormal. I'm going to text them and ask.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. You know what, I'm gonna I'll be there
Speaker 1: this summer. I'll have to come right back let.
Speaker 3: Me know, because we didn't get to have a backstage
Speaker 3: moment last time.
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep going until i have the whole
Speaker 1: thing memorized. I'mn to be one of those megafan people
Speaker 1: where it's like Lady Gogat dancing with the kid that
Speaker 1: knows every move. That'll be me.
Speaker 3: If anyone needs you're shouting the lines, Oh god, no.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. Well, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: so happy we did this.
Speaker 3: I really am too. It's an honor and a privilege
Speaker 3: and a pleasure. And look, I hope I hope those
Speaker 3: cats don't get me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Thank you so much to James Scully. Oh
Speaker 1: that was fun. Hey, I love you all, both living
Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,
Speaker 1: don't haunt me, gay By. This has been an exactly
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