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Speaker 1: What's that at the bed? It's spooky and jukie. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure it's dead. It's coming this way. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: I ghosted.

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Speaker 2: Nandas Pllease hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted.

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Speaker 1: By Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people

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Speaker 1: that I like about the para normal You guys, So,

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Speaker 1: I saw Oh Mary on Broadway, the hit play, which

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Speaker 1: is so funny. Cola Scola is a genius. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just had the time of my life watching this

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Speaker 1: play and there was one of the stars, James Scully

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Speaker 1: and I invited him on the pod and we had

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Speaker 1: a great time. Okay, I think you're gonna like this one.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm on tour right now, so make sure

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Speaker 1: you go see me all over America doing stand up

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Speaker 1: comedy and gay bars. Ros Hernandez tour dot com is

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Speaker 1: where you can find those tickets. I think we'll just

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Speaker 1: skip a story for this intro because we got this

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Speaker 1: is a beefy one we get into it. So here

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Speaker 1: is my conversation with actor Broadway star James Scully on

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Speaker 1: with the show. Oh my god, I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I feel as if I have manifested the Cutie Convention

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Speaker 1: is in town, and I had no clue because I

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Speaker 1: am joined today via Skype by James Scully.

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Speaker 3: Hello. Hello. I didn't know where that was going.

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Speaker 1: I didn't either, clearly.

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Speaker 3: I just and then I realized, like, wait, am I

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Speaker 3: the Cutie Convention?

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Speaker 1: You are the Cuty Convention? But I guess you're not

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Speaker 1: technically in town. You're in Are you in New York

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm in I'm in Romantic Bushwick. Ever heard of this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I stay there sometimes. I saw you in Oh Mary,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, this is incredible. I mean I

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Speaker 1: already knew that, like the reviews. The reviews had been

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Speaker 1: in by the time I saw it. But then I

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Speaker 1: you Zarl. Now I'm fully obsessed with you.

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Speaker 3: Oh same.

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Speaker 1: Is that place haunted? That theater has to be haunted.

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Speaker 3: The Lyceum. I have personally never had any experiences there,

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Speaker 3: as much as I like walk around in that building alone,

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Speaker 3: there's like a gate over the stairwell and then it

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Speaker 3: just you know, like a pioneer woman, a flapper, a child. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just translucent sort of staring at me. The stage is

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Speaker 3: set for that, but you know, I'm sure theater goes.

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Speaker 3: They're not just going to show off to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they're safe. I guarantee A chorus member fell down

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've fallen down that staircase.

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Speaker 1: I didn't die, but I'm sure you know that one

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Speaker 1: of these it's always a lady in white at every theater,

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Speaker 3: I could not have put it better myself.

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Speaker 1: Com during the twenty ten run of The Scottsborough Boys.

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Speaker 1: Coleman Domingo, Gee, im right down, Coleman Domingo. We got

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Speaker 1: we gotta know someone that can get Coleman Domingo in here.

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Speaker 1: I'm a protest with him. Do you know his story

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Speaker 1: Coleman Domingo said, quote the Friday of our last weekend,

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Speaker 3: I love though that he It's like, no, there was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more fun that way, for sure.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely more fun that way. Who cares about bad wiring.

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Speaker 3: Let's make a ghost.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, where's where I have another one? I

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Speaker 1: just found another one that said something about Bob Fosse.

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Speaker 3: I've already made this joke, but I would love Bob

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Speaker 3: Fosse to be in here, and all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen him? He's really and it's funny because

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Speaker 3: his whole approach to art was informed by the fact

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Speaker 1: so it says while every theater may claim to have

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Speaker 1: a ghost, tales of choreographer Bob Fossey smoking on the

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Speaker 1: We do believe we have a ghost, says Emily Petrain,

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Speaker 1: house manager of the Lyceum Theater. We are just not

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Speaker 1: This is from NYC Tourism. It says the Fosse rumors

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Speaker 1: which are Cheeta, rivera kandorinab There was one siding of

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Speaker 1: him where Richard Reese looked up and saw him smoking

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Speaker 3: That's kind of beautiful.

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Speaker 1: The conjured him.

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Speaker 1: Girls up to this is what the next conjuring movie

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Speaker 3: And Patrick Wilson and Vera Formiga show up and they're like, actually,

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Speaker 3: this is fine. We don't need to do anything about this.

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Speaker 3: He can just be here.

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Speaker 1: I just do an article that very for Mega is

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Speaker 3: Metal album, Like I'm delighted by that, but I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 1: Like to that, I say, your move, Annabelle, what are

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Speaker 3: Annabelle and Meghan the Robot and one more haunted doll

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Speaker 3: need to like do like a like a black pink

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Speaker 1: That is not a bad idea, or maybe like a

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Speaker 1: Lady marmalade. Uh yeah, so I do feel bad. Two

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Speaker 1: future guests Coleman Domingo that I just like glossed over

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Speaker 1: his story. So let's let's do that real quick, and

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Speaker 1: then let's get back to you, and I want to

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Speaker 1: hear your stories because I apologize I'm really hijacking this.

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Speaker 3: No, I've met Coleman Domingo and his partner many times

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Speaker 3: and they're both loved, but they've never given up the

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Speaker 1: It's my opinion it's sort of paranormal because it's like

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Speaker 3: Right, sarendipity is I would say, like, yeah, it's paranormal.

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Speaker 1: Are you someone that's into that kind of a thing, serendipity?

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Speaker 1: be Sarah Dipity.

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Speaker 3: I am into serendipity. I don't know that I would

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Speaker 3: choose that as my drag name. But like, watch two

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Speaker 3: years from now, you're in a club in LA. You

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Speaker 3: look up and there's Sarah Dippity. Actually, Sarah Dippity is funny,

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Speaker 3: like misstippity. If you're nasty, that's.

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Speaker 1: Cute Dipity dipity.

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Speaker 3: I love it, Ladies and Gentlemen's welcome to the stage.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I found this article from Them Them dot

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Speaker 1: Us and it says okay. According to Domingo, he was

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Speaker 1: at a Walgreens in Berkeley, California, Okay, in the year

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Speaker 1: The people weren't doing those in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 3: He gets it.

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Speaker 1: He spotted a beautiful man with shoulder length hair and

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Speaker 1: several times to catch a second and third glimpse of Coleman. Later,

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Speaker 1: while trying to purchase a used computer, Coleman was scanning

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Speaker 1: misconnections ads on Craigslist, thinking that he might post one

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Speaker 1: He says, I go to page two of them, and

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Speaker 1: I'm reading and I see quote saw you outside the

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Speaker 1: I said, sure, let's just cuddle. We cuddled. I thought

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Speaker 1: and I said, I think I love you and you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wouldn't call it like paranormal feels

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Speaker 1: So but it's like men's like bee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's magical. It is its genre. To be sure,

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Speaker 3: it's it's okay.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not paranorma.

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Speaker 3: That's well, I don't know. Maybe we can also like

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Speaker 3: I don't don't let me put a negative connotation on paranormal.

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Speaker 3: Paranormal can definitely be romantic. Why not. Yeah, either way,

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Speaker 3: that's statistically anomalous. And I mean imagine being Coleman. You

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's like something that a psychic would do

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Speaker 3: That, No, what happened just like bad dreams for a

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Speaker 3: I also really believe in kindred spirits, that you can

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Speaker 1: Oh so people that are how did you wear that?

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Speaker 1: Like made from the same Would you say star stuff?

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to be tweet. I think I said atoms,

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Speaker 3: But what I wanted to say was star stuff.

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Speaker 1: Star stuff. Now this is the place to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: That sounds way cuter than what I always think because

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Speaker 3: I think subspecies is great.

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Speaker 1: What about a dom species?

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Speaker 3: But let's talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, tell me a ghost story now.

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Speaker 3: I was on a road trip with my friends and

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Speaker 1: Ones that's a long way, and then went a bunch.

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Speaker 3: Of other places. But the story I'm telling today concerns

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Speaker 3: a little known monument in I think the Californian desert

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Speaker 3: called a Salvation Mountain. Ah, this do you know about

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Speaker 3: Salvation Mountain?

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Speaker 1: I've never been there. I feel like, was it Kesha

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, because the man who made it has been

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Speaker 1: And Salvation Mountain, I don't know, y'all have to tell

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Speaker 1: us more. All I know is that it's like everything's

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Speaker 1: painted all colorful in Jesus. Ye right.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's the thing, is our friend, because we

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Speaker 3: I heard dogs, there was an elementary school. I saw

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Speaker 3: It is not a religious unity monument. It is about Jesus, okay,

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Speaker 3: And so the whole sort of installation, which is mostly

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Speaker 3: Coded there's like car doors embedded in the walls, and

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's sort of funky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, very technic color. But while there was a

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Speaker 3: He is not the man who built the installation. The

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Speaker 2: Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesus was like, hey, I haven't done a miracle.

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Speaker 1: Picturing Jesus up looking down being like, so you've been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not feeling I'm not feeling the commitment. So

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Speaker 3: But it's gotten a little dusty. There is an air

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Speaker 3: The clock is ticking on that. Off to the side

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Speaker 3: and in the wall of hay bales, there is a

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00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: spot where one hay bale is missing that just goes

434
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: into a dark hole. There's just sort of like a

435
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: black square vacuum in the middle of all of these haybills,

436
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: and there's still light coming in from outside from the

437
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: top of the conical structure. So I'm looking at this

438
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: dark spot and I'm like, where does this go? What

439
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 3: is this? Does it go into the ground? Like what

440
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: am I looking at? And I remember sort of around

441
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: the periphery of that hole, there's like a crumpled up

442
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 3: gallon jug of water, there's wrappers, and there's just this

443
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: dark space, and I just stand there for a while,

444
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: just staring into it. Have you had a paranormal experience

445
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 3: in your life?

446
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: Maybe? Right, I think so?

447
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: Who knows, right, But when something weird and unexpected like

448
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: that is happening, your brain, like I just my cognitive

449
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: function just slowed down, and you're just sort of like,

450
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: not me, not right now.

451
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: I can tell you I've definitely stared into some confusing

452
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: looking holes in my day.

453
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: I was staring into It wasn't unlike that experience. I'm

454
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: sure I was staring into the abyss, and the abyss

455
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: was staring back into me, and I, you know, increasingly

456
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: got to a place of like I don't really want

457
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 3: to take my eyes off of this thing. I do

458
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: not want to put my back to it to leave

459
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: the space, but I had to, so I turn around.

460
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: And you know that feeling when you're a little kid,

461
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: when you're coming back from the bathroom from getting a

462
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 3: drink of water or going pea in the middle of

463
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: the night and you're walking back down the hall to

464
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: your room and you're like, I can't run because if

465
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: I run, the thing, whatever it is, will know that

466
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 3: I'm afraid and will know that I know that it's

467
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 3: there is when it will decide to get me.

468
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: When I'm a kid last I had that last night twice.

469
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: Well, maybe look into some tras adone. I'm worried about you.

470
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: I want you to get good sleep and relaxed.

471
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: Terrif I peel out when I sleep, I don't worry.

472
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: I get up and do it in the bathroom where

473
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm supposed.

474
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: To, no judgment either way.

475
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: But I am terrified every single time.

476
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still scared of the dark. I don't I

477
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: don't love it. I don't love absolutely darkness. So you

478
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: know that like body lock that you get where you're like,

479
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: I'm walking, but it's very casual. I'm just walking. I'm

480
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: just walking.

481
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Yep.

482
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: I start to walk away around the other side of

483
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 3: the desiccated tree. And as sure as I am sitting

484
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: here with you on this scene right now, in my

485
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: right ear, as though someone was standing just over my

486
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: right shoulder, I hear whispered, ever so quietly and with

487
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: the definite smirk in the voice. Hi. Two things happen

488
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: when I hear that one. You know, I would not

489
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: come on this podcast to bullshit you. You can. I

490
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: can have my friends send in their testimony.

491
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: This is what happened, Okay, I trust you.

492
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: I hear that voice. All of the cats, all of them,

493
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: at least a dozen cats start yowling all at once,

494
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: that like bad cat scream where you're like, that cat

495
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 3: is fighting for its life somewhere something bad is happening

496
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: to that cat. A chorus, if you will, of cacophonous

497
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: atonal cat screams erupts around the compound, and I fucking

498
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: book it out there. I'm like, goodbye, no more walking

499
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: for me. I don't care if the thing sees me.

500
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm running out. We're running. I hope the monster, the

501
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: ghoul the hills have eyes. Character living in that haybail

502
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: has track shoes. On because we're.

503
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Thatching throw a cat at it.

504
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 3: Run I run back out into the like main space.

505
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: I just sprint out, frantic. The gentleman is standing outside

506
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: his trailer looking at me. My girlfriend, whose idea this was,

507
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: is standing up on the mountain looking down at me,

508
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: and my other gay friend is already standing by the car,

509
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: looking quite pale. The sun is now much closer to

510
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: the horizon, and I just sort of stop, and everyone's

511
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: just sort of looking at me, and I just like

512
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: look up at my girlfriend and she looks at the

513
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: guy standing outside his trailer and she's like, haha, sorry,

514
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: I think he got like a little scared or something.

515
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 3: And I look over at the man and I'm like,

516
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: I just don't know what to say. He's just sort

517
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: of smiling at me. He was, by the way, giving

518
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: very like you got yourself a real purty mouth. And

519
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: then she's no shade to him, but he was that.

520
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: He was a character. He was kind of in retrospect.

521
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: I kind of would under other circumstances, but it was

522
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: not the moment for that. No. So I look over

523
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: at him and I say, sir, I think something's upset

524
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: your cats. And I, you know, Unfortunately, I can't remember

525
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 3: exactly what it is that he said back to me,

526
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: probably because I know I should have just like scripted something,

527
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: but I really want this again. All this actually happened

528
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 3: as I'm describing it, so I really racked my brain

529
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: trying to be like, what is the because I remember

530
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: it was something eerie. It was like he had like

531
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 3: a script of like and then when the gay runs

532
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: out into the middle of the field, this is what

533
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: I say to him about the cats. He smiles his like,

534
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: you know, missing a couple of teeth, smile at me,

535
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: and he says something like, yeah, they don't take too

536
00:31:54,480 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: kindly to guests sometimes or something. It was something like

537
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: kind of charming, a little hokey, but ultimately very sinister.

538
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, so, you know, like, you know that,

539
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: I know that, you know that I know that I

540
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 3: just had an experience in your art installation, which again

541
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: I'm unclear you are now the proprietor of, Like, I

542
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: don't know how this works. Are you related to the

543
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: man who built it? What's the story? I didn't stop

544
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: to ask. I said thank you so much and walked

545
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: back over to the car where my friend Ian was standing.

546
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 3: I make eye contact with him, and I'm like, I

547
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: think that we should get out of here right now.

548
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: And Ian's like, yeah, why do you think I'm already

549
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: standing by the fucking car. Let's go. We get a

550
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: picture of my other friend up on the top of

551
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: the mountain. She's like having a really good time. She

552
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: comes down. Oh, she's she's kind of like visibly bothered

553
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: that we're both having like a harrowing emotional experience of

554
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: her little side quest. We get back in the car.

555
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: We're driving out of there. The sun has set. We

556
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: have to stop at a railroad crossing, so the arm

557
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: comes down. It's the middle of the desert. The red

558
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: lights are flashing, the train is pouring by. We're just

559
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: sitting in the car in silence. There's now a big,

560
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 3: swollen yellow moon up in the sky, and I'm just

561
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: looking in the rear view mirror, just like waiting, waiting

562
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: for something to come out of the night. And it didn't.

563
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: We made it out of there. You know, probably did

564
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: irreparable damage to my cardiovascular system. Certainly. Still, the thought

565
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: of it keeps me up at night, the thought of

566
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: that voice, the glee in that little voice, that little

567
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: high wait.

568
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: But what happened to your friend? Why was your gay

569
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: friend so like, oh.

570
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: He because he was having First of all, again, we

571
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: were promised that we were going to an art installation

572
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: that's like Hinduism, Judaism, right, Christianity, Islam, like the Buddha.

573
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, it wasn't that. It was this

574
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: gentleman experiencing said with love a certain level of sort

575
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: of like religious fervor medical professionals might say mania and

576
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: building basically like a huge shrine in the desert, which

577
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: then I think, you know, I think his body was

578
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: somewhere on the premises.

579
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: Guess where, But do you think it was in the hole?

580
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 3: It's always in the hole, isn't it.

581
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I think those cats knew exactly what was going on,

582
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: and they knew that there was a Jesus Man that

583
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: was buried under there.

584
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: That's what was scary about whatever the man in the

585
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: trailer said to me. Again, I don't remember what exactly

586
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: his words were, because you don't remember what a person says,

587
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: You just remember how they make you feel. But whatever

588
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 3: he said implied the presence of like a third body

589
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 3: in this conversation. Like whatever his response to me was,

590
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: it was like there's you, there's the cats, and then

591
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 3: there's you know, I'm making vague reference to another person

592
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: who's here with us, and I'm like, they're here with it,

593
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: Like they're in the trailer, Like we're gonna like we're

594
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 3: going to meet them, like is it your wife? My

595
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: friend Ian who was by the car, he just too

596
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: had picked up that there was I mean, look it is.

597
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 3: It's an inherently spooky, uoky place. And then on top

598
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: of that we had a spooky uky experience. Yeah, I know,

599
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: and it's Look, I only read books about magic and aliens.

600
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: I don't like realistic fiction. I want the world to

601
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: be I'm I'm walking, I'm doing laps in the lyceum,

602
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: being like if you're here, please, you know, come shrieking

603
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 3: out of the wall at me, like.

604
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: But don't be two thirsty ear else they're going to

605
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: be like ugh no.

606
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: Right, that's why they're not showing up, because they're like

607
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 3: this little this little queer, she's going to get baptized

608
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: by us. Not likely.

609
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: You just got to be like, uh whatever, if you're

610
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: if you're here, fine, I don't I don't, I don't

611
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: care either way.

612
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 3: Don't text the ghosts back, start a seance, and then

613
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: just sort of like stop replying, play hard to get

614
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 3: with the other side. No, which is why I say,

615
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: you know it. So nothing has happened before this, and

616
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: nothing has happened after, even though I've looked for it,

617
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: and even though I've wanted it, which is why I

618
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: feel such conviction in this story that it's like, no,

619
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: that did happen.

620
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: This feels like a very trustworthy source right now.

621
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: And again, if you're hearing this and you're like, well,

622
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: I went to Salvation Mountain and I had a great

623
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: time and I felt awakened. I'm glad that that was

624
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: your experience, and I want to leave space for that

625
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: to be other people's experience, but you know this was

626
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: my experience.

627
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: Well, they probably went after you after the demon leapt

628
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: out and latched onto you, so it's probably like great

629
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: there now, it's probably very clean and clear and.

630
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: Claud you reckon. Yeah, I took the darkness with me, but.

631
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: Now I don't think and.

632
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: That's why now I'm a gay actor. That's how I

633
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: ended up this.

634
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: Way, you know, speaking of reliable sources, which I do,

635
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: I do feel very convinced that no, it was very

636
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: good and you're a very amazing storyteller.

637
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I was like, this is going to

638
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: take a second for me to get out, and I

639
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: really wanted to give you the full picture. So thank

640
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: you for giving me the time to do it.

641
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: Wait. You know another thing. I was thinking, Scully, do

642
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: you ever hear X Files?

643
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: Oh? All the time when I was in second grade,

644
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: when that show was sort of having its its cultural peak.

645
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: I didn't appreciate the parallel because I knew that Scully

646
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: was the girl and already, you know, second grade South Texas.

647
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, girl, bad way good me girl, no no

648
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: me man me noo girl meno talk with hands me

649
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: no wear pink meno. Jillian Anderson. Well, now, in retrospect,

650
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: I'm like to be compared to Jillian Anderson at seven

651
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: years old, I should be so fucking lucky, you know

652
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: what I mean.

653
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: She always came up for me because she is from

654
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: the same hometown as me. So people would be like,

655
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: the lady from the X Files is from here, you know,

656
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: which is where Grand Rapids, Michigan.

657
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that sounds like a theme park. Come on,

658
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: it's a fun thing about The X Files, which you've

659
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 3: watched I assume.

660
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not every single episode.

661
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a scary. Sometimes it's fun, but it's

662
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: there are some scary episodes in there. The fun thing

663
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: about the X Files is, you know, her character's name

664
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: is Dana Scully. My brother, sweet Connor, sweet Ronoch, the Barbarian,

665
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 3: his long time I'm partner is named Dana. I know.

666
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: And so we're like, look, people should get married or

667
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: not get married based on their own prerogatives, and people

668
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: should certainly only exchange last names if it feels right,

669
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: especially if it's you know, the obligation is on the

670
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: woman to rearrange her monogram. That said, we are sort

671
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: of like, and I feel like Dana is sort of

672
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: leading the charge on this. She's like, if we did,

673
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 3: and I did, my name would be Dana Scully. I mean,

674
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: let's celebrate that iconic. Yeah.

675
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: Going back to reliable sources, I have I have got

676
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: a haunted doll currently for sale.

677
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: On eBay that you're selling.

678
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: No, but it's just one that I found. I like

679
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: to feature a different one every single episode. Can I

680
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: show you?

681
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: Yes? Please?

682
00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: It's time for the dolls are living? Okay, So I

683
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: just go to eBay here's the thing. A lot of

684
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: people don't know this. Thousands of haunted eBay alleged haunted

685
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: eBay dolls for sale at all times.

686
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: But you think some of those people are cloud chasing.

687
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: Not all of those dolls are.

688
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's a lot of different situations. Listen. I've

689
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: spent hours looking at these, and there's a lot of

690
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: situations going on here. I don't believe a lot of them,

691
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: but I will say because it's it's really coincidental to

692
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: have you on, because particularly all the ways you laid out,

693
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: like why your story is real. I actually feel that

694
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: way about this one for the exact same reason, which

695
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: is rare, okay, because usually it's like these people are like, oh,

696
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: this doll does this, and it does that, and here's

697
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: its name and here's what it does whatever, and then

698
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: you go to their profile and like they have forty

699
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: seven other ones that they are trying to sell. Sometimes

700
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: it's giving the same copy and pasted bio. It gets lazy. Okay,

701
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: this one, I looked at the person's profile. They didn't

702
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: have any other haunted dolls they were selling, like just

703
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: random junk from their house. So I was kind of like,

704
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: that's a good sign for me.

705
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great flag for sure.

706
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: Okay, her name is Anna. She's going for one hundred

707
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: and twenty dollars. Jaha, show us Anna plays you got

708
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: it ras? Oh that's Anna.

709
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: You know what. It's kind of giving. It's giving, Like

710
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: the energy of this on the space is giving, sort

711
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: of like can I hit your dame.

712
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: With flavors that I don't even care? Let me just

713
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: try it. Yeah, give me goodies for sure. Well, she's

714
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: got like she's got like a short Lady Diana haircut,

715
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: and then I can't tell what's going on on top

716
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, there's life a just random high pony situation.

717
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: Half up, half down arianky.

718
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: I guess. But the hair's very short.

719
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: No, it's not.

720
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what that is. But she does

721
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: have sort of a honestly and oh Mary kind of

722
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: air address on.

723
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: It's it's not not giving. Yeah, Like like if Mary

724
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: Todd Lincoln had a sister who was plagued by spiritual visions,

725
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: I do feel like this is sort of what she

726
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: would look like.

727
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: Yes, a sister with a heavy hand on the blush

728
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: and forgot to put lipstick on the top lip. But

729
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: certainly did the bottom.

730
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: I will say, her face though, she's like she's struggling

731
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: with the hair, but her beat has stayed. I don't know,

732
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. That's like honestasy of

733
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: Beverly Hills. Or the eyes are clean, you know, the

734
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: cheeks are rouged.

735
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a really good setting spray. Okay.

736
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: So here's what it says, because they all come with

737
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: like a little bio so one hundred and twenty dollars Anna,

738
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: So it says a lost human spirit seems to have

739
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: transferred over to this doll. Anna. Nothing too evil has

740
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: really happened with Anna as far as I know, but

741
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: there have been some strange occurrences. It rained when she

742
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: was taken outside two times, a picture fell off the

743
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: wall when I took her in my office, okay, and

744
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: some people feel a sudden rush of sadness when they

745
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: see her. I mean, the doll is apparently capable of

746
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: moving on her own. Apparent. This is just hearsay, according

747
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: to the person selling this.

748
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that, they say, apparently, as though it's like,

749
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: so did someone just tell you that?

750
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, where are you getting your second get a hand?

751
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: News? Said it gets a little lazy, but I kind

752
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: of love that it gets a little lazy.

753
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: It says, I am not a hundred present sure, but

754
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: I do think I saw her move a couple of times. Okay,

755
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: I am not a big believer in things like this,

756
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to now.

757
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, so very me and that it's like

758
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 3: I want to believe very ex files. I want to believe,

759
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: but I've never seen proof. But like, now there's the stall.

760
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: But like, apparently she moves. I think I saw her,

761
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: but I'm not really sure. I really appreciate this person,

762
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: to be honest.

763
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: No, that the coyness, the sort of like humble, demure

764
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: nature of the description, I agree, does lend itself to

765
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: an air of integrity.

766
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because most of these as they're trying to make

767
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: some extra coin. They're like, if you buy this doll,

768
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: she will slap you in your sleep, just so you

769
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: know you've been warned. And this person is like, honestly,

770
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: I think I think apparently she moves. I don't know.

771
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: It's also like she has the ability to control the weather.

772
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty dollars. That's a modest that's a

773
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: modest sum for a doll that can literally make it rain. Truly,

774
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: somebody in La needs to buy her for the next

775
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: drought and then just sit her out on there and

776
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 3: their patio. Do your work. Anna.

777
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: It says she comes from an abandoned house that my

778
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: friend just bought. I am not sure if she is

779
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: good or bad, but I still want her to go

780
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: to a good home. She is still dusty and dirty,

781
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: just the way she was found. Thanks for looking. Please

782
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: check out the other items in my store. Okay, hang

783
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: on a second. So your friend just bought a new house.

784
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, an abandoned house.

785
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: I found this doll, and then you are now selling

786
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: it for one hundred and twenty dollars.

787
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I guess a lot of these reports must

788
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: have come from the friend who purchased the house. And

789
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: it is sort of like, and I'm filling in some

790
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 3: blanks here, I'm projecting, I'm assuming a lot, but it

791
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: is kind of intriguing that It's like the friend was like,

792
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: I don't want this anywhere, Please take this away from me.

793
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: And then this person said, well, I'm going to make

794
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: some money if I'm going to have to take this.

795
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, this person said, you know, I have my eyes on.

796
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: What's something that would cost one hundred and twenty dollars

797
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: in this economy?

798
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: I need some new sneakers.

799
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, I need some I need some White

800
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: Air Force ones. And with tax, that comes out to

801
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: just about one hundred and twenty dollars. So that's what

802
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: this doll is going for. Oh imagine this doll with

803
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: some tiny White Air Force ones on her. She pulls

804
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 3: up her little skirt. She's like, you like the sneakers.

805
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to making it rain, I

806
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: think the person that's selling this is trying to make

807
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: it rain on them.

808
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, I would like some rain?

809
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: Can I play you some ghost voices?

810
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 3: Please play me some ghost voices.

811
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: It's time for EVP or ev please okay. The term

812
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: EVP electronic voice phenomenal. Okay. So this is when people

813
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: believe they've captured a ghost speaking.

814
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 3: That wasn't audible to the human ear, but they like

815
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: put up a recording.

816
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Pretty much, gotcha. It has shown up upon further inspection.

817
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: So these are two that I found on this website

818
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: phone called it's called YouTube.

819
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: Oh I've not heard of that.

820
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 1: Check it out. People go on YouTube and they will

821
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: post a ghost saying all kinds of shit. I've got

822
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: two of them for you right here. This first one

823
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: is from Shanley Hotel eighty two eighty five.

824
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: Shout out to you, Shanley.

825
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: This is a famous haunted hotel.

826
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: Okay, it like is what.

827
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: I don't think you can stay at it. I think

828
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: it's just like a place that people go to to

829
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: like ghost hunt and it's a NAPA knock, New York.

830
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me if you hear anything, okay,

831
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: and I'm going to give you an ABCD. And one

832
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: of those is what they believe it says. Okay, what

833
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: is this ghost saying?

834
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: Can I hear one more time? What do you think

835
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: I just one more time? It sounds like the last

836
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 3: word sounds like shut to me. Now I'm thinking Lord

837
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: of the Rings, the way it's shut. But it sounds

838
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: like the something is the something something is shut. It's

839
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: like the well, now it doesn't sound like that, so well.

840
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: Let me give you some options. One of these is

841
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: what allegedly the ghost is saying. Is it saying A,

842
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm so cute and hot? Okay, B I'm still looking

843
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: on okay, see absolutely not? Or D I'm a super top.

844
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: All right, it's one of those let me play it again.

845
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: Okay, this is funny because I love all of those

846
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: options obviously, and I'm a little relieved that it's not

847
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: the way is shut, because whoever was hearing that in

848
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: that moment, that's like bad news for them. I do

849
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: think it's absolutely not. And I love, you know, imagining

850
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: that specter coming across whatever the recording device is and

851
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 3: just being like, absolutely.

852
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: Not, absolutely not.

853
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not doing this. You think I died

854
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: and stayed tied to the mortal realm so you could

855
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: like record me on your iPhone thirteen.

856
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I already know this is gonna end up

857
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: on a podcast at some point. Absolutely not. No interviews. Okay,

858
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: I've got one more for you, And this one is

859
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: like a more organic kind of a grass fact, the

860
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: more granola. It's just sort of a to the naked ear.

861
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: It's sort of a talking Okay. This one was posted

862
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: by this guy who has really good EVPs and stuff.

863
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: His name is Brandon Elvis and it's at a place

864
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: called Andre Spico Adobe in Mission Hills, California. Okay, what

865
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: is this ghost, say Jaggs Gully.

866
00:50:52,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 3: No, no, okay, that's how I heard y'all please help troubling?

867
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: No coming, Yeah, y'all, please help me? Is what it

868
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: sounded like to me. I'm not even coming. Do you

869
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: hear what I'm saying? And the sort of the whatever

870
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: that pitter pattern is, it's like, yeah, it's really unchanteling.

871
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Well, let me just add this person that posted this

872
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: did say that the floor is currently tile and it's

873
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: it picked up on the sound. It sounded like footsteps

874
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: on wood, right, spooky. Well, let me give you some options. Okay,

875
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: is it a yah? Quay? Is y'all still is that

876
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: still in the in the culture.

877
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: I think we're quickly approaching that we got so oversaturated

878
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: with it that it became passe. Not me a white

879
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: cistender gay man citing what words people get to say.

880
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: I think it'll be back.

881
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: No, I think we're circling back around.

882
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: Okay, is it B No, this can't be? Is it

883
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: c so cold or d? Yeah, it's called t okay

884
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: no to those options again, Yeah, it's called t.

885
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: What's funny is that in my understanding of gave an

886
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: ocular absolutely not for our last is to me absolutely so.

887
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 3: I was ready for this one yes, yes, it's called

888
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: T is option D.

889
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called T.

890
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: Imagining all of the fertile moments which a ghost could

891
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: say that see.

892
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: I pictured that being like the ghost of a lady

893
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: that has seen a couple of episodes of drag Race,

894
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: and she's trying to explain to another friend, like what

895
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: you just saw is called tea. That's what they call it.

896
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 3: Or the ghost hunters are sort of like in a

897
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: moment of revelation, They're like, and she hasn't been seen

898
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: in over twenty five years, and the ghost.

899
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: Says, no, yeah, it's called tea.

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00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: I want to choose one of the fun options. Unfortunately,

901
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 3: I I do think it's what was the second option?

902
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: This no one know, this can't be, which is also

903
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: kind of gay. The pageantry of that, the pageantry of

904
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 3: like be, that's what like a sort of like David

905
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: Bowie coated queer in Brooklyn looks down and realized that

906
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 3: they've spilt their muck Damien Latte on their shirt, on

907
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: their blouse, and they say, no, this cannot be.

908
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, I can see that scenario. I will say

909
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: when I listen to the full one, which I have

910
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: edited down because there's a long pause, and then it

911
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: very much sounds like it goes, no, this can't be,

912
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 1: and then it goes really and I'm like listening to it, thinking,

913
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, it kind of sounds like a ghost

914
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, am I dad, You're.

915
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: Just so sad, like their dying moment, like them waking

916
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 3: up or yeah, I guess just like realizing the moment

917
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: of clarity that they're like, oh I'm not. I have

918
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: shuffled not all the way off this mortal coil, but.

919
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you're gonna record me and put me

920
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: on the internet. Wait, now that we know it's no,

921
00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: this can't be, let me play it one more time. No, okay,

922
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: what like, let me offer an e an e option.

923
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: Yo.

924
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: That's campy, Yo, that's camp campy y. That's campy, James Scully,

925
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: that's all.

926
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: This was delightful. I'm going to go to dinner with

927
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 3: my friends and Williamsburg tonight. I think I'm going to

928
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 3: walk there and I'm going to be available to you know,

929
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to be looking around sort of like maybe.

930
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe, you know, just be open.

931
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Although again, like we said, they're like, no, not

932
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: that one. He wants it too bad, I know for

933
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: a haunting.

934
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like that polyamorous couple that it's like,

935
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: oh god, they're coming. They're coming over here. Okay, Like

936
00:55:54,040 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 1: they're like you, they're tooth, like, let me come to you, right.

937
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: They said, hey, we saw you from across the bar.

938
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, have already seen them work in the whole room.

939
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: They're going up to everyone, and now they've made their

940
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: way to me.

941
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: Oh here worse than when you're like, okay, I saw

942
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 3: I saw myself be your third choice. You know what

943
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: I mean? You think I didn't notice you talking?

944
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: You get this straight. You're in a committed relationship with

945
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: each other, so you already have that, and then you

946
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: wanted another person, you didn't get them, you didn't get

947
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: the next person, and now you're going to settle for me.

948
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, I don't think so.

949
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

950
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: No, you know what I say to that, No, this

951
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: can't be or wait, or I say another thing, which

952
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: is this right here?

953
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I've already said to a person in a club.

954
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure at one point or another in a case,

955
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: I've said absolutely not. But the next time, next time.

956
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: All loved to the polyamorous community, A couple comes up

957
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 3: to me to scout me as talent. I'm going to

958
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 3: say no, this can't be and I'll see what they

959
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: do with that. Maybe if they respond, well, I'll be like,

960
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: you know what, this is the screening process, and you passed.

961
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: Let's get out of here.

962
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: Jame Scully ros where do you want people to find you?

963
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: What's going on in your life?

964
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 4: Well, at the time this airs, I will be in

965
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: the juicy hot middle of my and Conrad, Rick Amora

966
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 4: and one Dame Cola Scolas returned to Oh Mary, Oh

967
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 4: you going back?

968
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're all going back.

969
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

970
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 3: So we are going back to tread the boards once more.

971
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know that person who stepped into your shoes?

972
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: Oh, dear dear friend of the pod. I'm sure Chris Renfrow.

973
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: Chris Renfro has been on this pod.

974
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean how I cont Yeah.

975
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna get We're gonna get everyone from the show

976
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: one way or another.

977
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 3: I know Cole likes dolls, and I'm sure at least

978
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 3: one of Cole's dolls is haunted.

979
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: Please just put it in a good word.

980
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 3: I oh, I absolutely will. I'm sure. I'm sure they

981
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: have a ghost story for you. I wonder if they

982
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 3: believe in the paranormal. I'm going to text them and ask.

983
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. You know what, I'm gonna I'll be there

984
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: this summer. I'll have to come right back let.

985
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: Me know, because we didn't get to have a backstage

986
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 3: moment last time.

987
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep going until i have the whole

988
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: thing memorized. I'mn to be one of those megafan people

989
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: where it's like Lady Gogat dancing with the kid that

990
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: knows every move. That'll be me.

991
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: If anyone needs you're shouting the lines, Oh god, no.

992
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. Well, you know, I'm

993
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: so happy we did this.

994
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: I really am too. It's an honor and a privilege

995
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: and a pleasure. And look, I hope I hope those

996
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: cats don't get me.

997
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Thank you so much to James Scully. Oh

998
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: that was fun. Hey, I love you all, both living

999
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

1000
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: don't haunt me, gay By. This has been an exactly

1001
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: right production. Want to share your paranormal experience on the podcast.

1002
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: I read stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you,

1003
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: so email me at Ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

1004
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

1005
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: show's Instagram at Ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

1006
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Roz Hernandez, and on TikTok and Twitter at It's Roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

1009
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

1010
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: sound designed by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

1011
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner. My theme music is by

1012
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the spooky

1013
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced

1014
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: by the chilling Karen Kilgaireff, the spooky Georgia hart Stark,

1015
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: and the frightening Danielle Kramer. Listen to Ghosted by Roz

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,880
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Speaker 1: get your podcasts.