WEBVTT - Copycat [13] 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.119 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.800 those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:10.640 and do not necessarily represent those of iHeart Media, Stuff Media, 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:16.680 or its employees. On the fiftieth anniversary of the Zodiacs 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.400 first confirmed killings in Benetia, a group of self proclaimed 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.560 Zodiologists visited the site on Lake Herman Road. They went 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.600 there to pay homage to the victims David Faraday and 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.400 Betty lu Jensen. Days earlier, a threat was made to 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.160 harm anyone who showed up at the Lake Herman site 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:39.040 on the anniversary. The Zodiologists decided to go anyway, and 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:44.120 we joined them. Yeah, I know there were threats made 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.640 for people who came here tonight. What do we have 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:52.040 about people here right now and over the next half hour. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.280 I expect maybe another dozen people are more coming here, 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:59.080 though I know there are other people who would be 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.280 here tonight if those threats have not been made, people 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:04.760 who want to be here and remember the anniversary and 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:11.839 remember David and Betty lou N She did nice, yet 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:18.880 Lourest David A M. You're looking at the crosses where 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.600 it would be a good place to have them set 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:25.839 for a while. Right now, I came up here. If 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.280 I didn't know if anybody we're gonna be here because 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.880 that threat about a shooting or something, SAM would drive 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:36.960 off here. Anyway, I'll take my chances. It's really interested 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.240 to see a police officer here from the Venetia Police Department. 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.959 About twenty people who came over here. There's none of 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.039 us who were going to cause any problems. But we 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.800 have no idea who else is going to be here 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.960 this evening. There will quite likely be a number of 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:51.760 other cars of people that we don't know that it 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:57.520 will show up. I'm Corporal Cruise with the Inanitia Police Department. 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:01.760 We're here because of the fiftie anniversary of the Zodiac killing. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.560 We're just here for extra patrol and just kind of 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.440 make sure everyone that comes here wants to be here 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:12.760 and stay safe. What makes she wonders how the Zodiac? 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.520 I mean, you hate trail him out here? You find 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.280 them by accident? And where was the car park? It 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.640 was parked about where the where the taller of the 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:25.000 arrow science right there, headed right towards this way. I 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:26.720 don't know. They show the crime sheet photos, but you 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:35.840 can't in there were the backup facing. I think David 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.360 was found this is Tom's territory, but I think he 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.400 was found outside the passengers side door because he tried 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.240 to get away and she had gotten out and got 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.720 she got down here and he got he was killed 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.760 right there. It's it's been a real treat to hang 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:58.360 out with other zodiologists and talk about the anniversary. This 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:03.200 being the fiftieth anniversary is kind of sobering time. You know, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.480 fifty years ago today there was a couple who was 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.720 holding hands and kissing in the front seat of a 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:11.560 station wagon. But an hour from now, less than an 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.440 hour from now, we will commemorate the time that they 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:20.680 were shot dead for no purpose apparently, and the perpetrator 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:33.359 has still not been identified or brought to justice. A 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.920 man in a mask robbed, tied, and stabbed them, leaving 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:41.160 them for day. Subjects stated, I want to report a murder, 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:46.000 no a double murder. I did it. A man who 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.640 wore an evil style executioner's hood, carried a knife and 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.080 gun and intended to use them. They haven't arrested me 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:59.040 because they can't prove it. I'm not damn zodiac. Who 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.680 is the zodiac and where is he from? My Heart Radio, 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:07.600 How Stuff Works, and Tenderfoot TV. This is Monster, the 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:14.040 Zodiac Killer. They say imitation is the highest form of flattery, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.039 and if that's true, the Zodiac may have had some admirers. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.320 By now, you've heard about the range and murder weapons 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.640 and all the other inconsistencies between the Zodiac killings. In 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:30.240 this episode, we'll see double confronting the unpleasant idea of 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:36.040 a Zodiac copycat. Unspeakable evil is one thing, but consciously 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:48.920 replicating that evil that may be worse. There are people 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.200 who are totally wrapped up. They don't celebrate, but they 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:58.320 commemorate every anniversary of these murders. People they never met, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:02.320 they didn't know. That's Rachel Raskin's Rhian, who you heard 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.400 on last week's episode. She's a reporter at the Times 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:08.039 Harold in Valleo, a paper that's been involved with the 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.400 case since the very beginning. What's funny is the people 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.960 who did know, the people who has happened to don't 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.160 do that. I haven't met one that does that. They 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.120 may remember it in their head, but they don't go 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.479 to the site in the middle of the night. Why 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.520 would you have a fan club for something like a 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:31.520 serial killer. I guess it's not unusual. Like Manson, Charles Manson, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:37.119 he's got followers. Still, I can't explain it. They can't 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.200 explain it. I've asked. Rachel says she's heard a lot 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.679 of strange stories about the Zodiac. Some people even claim 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.840 to have escaped the unknown killer. I've had a couple 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.840 of people tell me that they are positive that they 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:57.080 encountered this person and escaped death, and they can't let 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.680 it go. It just becomes a part their life, and 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.760 some people have becomes more of a part of their 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.839 life than other people. But I imagine if you thought 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:13.080 you encountered a serial killer and lived to tell the tale, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:23.880 it probably sticks with you. After the incident happened with Betty, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.919 you know, of course, everyone's talking about it in Valleo 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.200 kind of were a close knit town at that time. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:34.400 The population wasn't like it is now. This is Lorraine 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.000 de Groat. You heard her from an earlier episode when 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.320 she remembered losing her childhood friend Betty lu Jensen. Lorraine 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.800 believes that she too had a chance encounter with the 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.960 Zodiac when her cousin and a few friends decided to 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.400 visit the murder scene at Lake Herman Road. This is 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:55.599 her story as a teenager. This one night, my cousin 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.479 talked to us all in. We agreed, the four of us, okay, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.440 let's take right out there. And it was kind of late. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:05.160 It was like tan ten thirty eleven, and my cousin's 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.800 driving Henry and I'm behind him, and then Nadine is 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.920 passenger and my boyfriend's behind her. We go out there 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:20.000 and it's totally black dark, there's no street lights, you 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:25.240 can't see nothing, and the headlights. There's a guy standing 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.400 in the road. So what was so noticeable was he 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.040 was wearing this like I want to say it's an 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:36.640 army jacket, but it was big, it was loose, and 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.000 it went down to just about probably between his knees 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.800 and his thighs. We were focusing and I go, oh, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.560 there's a there's a guy. I'm sitting behind my cousin 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.120 and I'm kicking him. I'm going, don't stop, don't stop, 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.320 because I'm scared. I didn't even want to be out there, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.560 so I'm saying don't stop, don't stop. So we had 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.280 to slow down because the guy wouldn't get out of 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:03.280 the road. So we're slowing down. Nadine rolls the window 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.640 down and so does my boyfriend and as we rolled 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.280 the window down, my cousin said, can we help you? 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.120 What's up? Then the guy leans kind of leans in 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:18.640 towards Nadine looking at us, and he said, I can't 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.080 find my girlfriend. We were out on a fishing boat 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.840 on Lake Herman. We're going oh and it's eleven at night, 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.840 you know, and I'm really kicking my cousin. I'm going go, 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.760 go go, because it just didn't sound right. And he said, 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:38.400 if you could just park over here and um help 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:42.120 me find her. Well, that was just totally stupid. It 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:46.000 didn't even make any sense. So then my cousin like 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:51.079 acted like, okay, we'll help you. Of course, there's no phones, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.120 no cell phones, and I think we mentioned something like, well, 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.400 where's your car and he said he didn't have one. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.960 So we said, well, we could call the police for you, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.200 and then my cousin just kind of sped off the 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.640 minute he the guy stood up, and we were also scared, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.680 and I said, that's Zodiac. I kept saying that is Zodiac. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.920 So we drove that whole road because there's no turning 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:20.640 around to come back so as we're speeding away, about 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.560 a mile mile and a half from where we left 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.240 him was a car. Was a car on the right 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.280 hand side. It was the only car during our whole 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.880 speeding venture to get off that road. My guess is 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.840 it had to have been his car, because there was 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.760 Like I said, there was no houses, there was no 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.719 that was his car. We drove that road and it 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.800 comes straight into Benicia. So we go straight up to 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.800 the police station. We told him the story. There's a 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.720 guy out there, we just ran into him. He said 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:57.280 his girlfriend, he lost her. And then I remember I 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.760 told the officer I was saying, I think that was Zodiac. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.240 He said, well, we're gonna go check that out. We 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.840 will drive out there. And then I said, can I 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.600 call you back tomorrow so you can tell me if 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:13.120 they found his girlfriend. When I called the police station 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.640 the next day, of course, my curiosity is just off 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.920 the chart. So I said, what happened? And he said, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:22.200 we went out there, and he goes, there was nothing 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:26.840 out there, there was no car. I think he was 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:31.520 gonna kill whoever was in the car, but there was 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:36.920 four of us. That's what I think. I'm so consumed 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:42.240 to this day about Zodiac until the day I die. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:11:02.800 I believe that was Zodiac. Lorraine said it was curiosity 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.200 that led her and her friends down Lake Herman Road 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.319 that night. In five decades later, Lorraine's fascination with the 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:14.640 Zodiac continues. But what can happen when someone's fascination with 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:19.080 a killer becomes an obsession and even an opportunity to 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.280 pick up where a killer left off. This happened in 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.120 the late nineteen eighties when another Zodiac killer showed up 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.560 in New York City. In the area that was involved, 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.400 basically East New York Brooklyn. At the time, it was 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.640 like the motor capital of the world. It was the 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.440 most violent precinct in New York City. It still is, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.320 but back then it was really, really terrible. We were 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.160 averaging over a hundred homicides plus an additional five hundred 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.880 montreto shootings within five square miles. So it was a 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.640 very hectic time for the police and the detectives. And 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.000 in the midst of all this violence was an emerging 0:11:55.160 --> 0:12:00.640 serial killer who was calling himself to Zodiac. My name 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.080 is Joseph Herbert. I'm a deputy chief in a New 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:08.200 York City police department. I recently retired and my final 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.200 position was to commanding of the Joint TOEWS On Test Force. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.880 Deputy Chief Joe Herbert played a key role in the 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.320 Zodiac case, which took place in New York City. On 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:24.520 November the NYPD received an unusual letter. It stated that 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.959 one person for each of the twelve zodiac signs would 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.439 be killed. Authorities believed it was a hoax and nothing 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.800 to be alarmed about, and there was no reason to 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:39.480 follow up. The first letter came into the Semi five precinct, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.120 and that letter he was taken credit for a shooting 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.760 that we never identified. They didn't marry it up to 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.920 any actual shooting. It had the circle, it had rambling writing, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.200 and it wasn't taken seriously. I think it ended up 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:57.920 into somebody's lacker. Authorities would soon realize the threats were 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.840 no joke. His first him was a handicapped individual who 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.640 was returning home from work late at night. His name 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:09.960 was Mario Roscoe. He was walking approaching Atlantic Avenue coming 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.560 home from the train and he was approached from the 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:16.559 rear and shot once in the back by an individual 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:20.920 who had a vandanna over his face and did not 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.520 rob him, did not saying they just shot him and 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:28.040 ran away. Three weeks later, the second victim, who was 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.720 also coming home from the subway station. The name was 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.760 Herman Montenegro. He was a little intoxicated. He was out 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.560 partying and he's coming home from the subway and he 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.719 gets approached from the rear again and he shot in 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.199 the back for no reason, although in his case he 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:52.160 believed that his passport was taken from him. With that 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.319 being said, there was no letters left at that and 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.440 there was no connection by the police that these two 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:02.040 incidents were connected, and they were investigated as random shootings 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:05.840 and they want some The first two victims of the 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.480 unknown shooter had survived, the victim of the third attack 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.079 would not be so lucky. The next shooting was Joseph Proachy. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.760 He was an elderly male. We used to walk around 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.560 the East New York section of Brooklyn to collect bottles 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.960 and cans for the deposit. He was very friendly with 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.840 people in the community. One night, he's returning home from 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.720 collecting bottles and cans and he's approached from the rear 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.480 as he's entering his building and he shot once in 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:39.480 the back. Also, the difference was at this scene the 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.280 shooter left a note, and he weighed the note down 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.240 with three stones, which could indicate that he might have 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.920 left notes at the prior incidents and they might have 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.200 blown away in the wind, but you know well uncertain 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.560 of that. So anyway, he leaves a note at the 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.800 proachy scene, and in the note he takes credit for 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:03.040 three shootings, and he articulates and the letters the proper 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:08.440 zodiac sign of each victim. The killer was apparently selecting 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.200 victims based on their birthday the New York Zodiac. Then 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.960 sent letters to the New York Post in sixty minutes. 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:20.240 These letters were studied for DNA and latent fingerprints. Please 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:24.040 ramp up heavily. They had detected a couple of patents. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.800 One pattern was the incidents occurred in multiples of twenty 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:33.880 one days. The first attack occurred on March, then twenty 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.560 one days later there was a second attack, and then 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.400 sixty three days later was the Dot shooting. So they 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:44.600 saw it that it was in multiples. On the twenty 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:49.000 one day at the shooting, they flooded the area incredibly 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.600 like a massive presence of undercovers, uniforms, detectives. Everything they 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.000 could do and what happened is the individual does strike, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.840 but he doesn't strike in East New York section of Brooklyn. 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.640 He took the train into Manhattan and he should Labby Pawham, 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.240 who was sleeping on a park bench in Central Park 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.160 at that scene. He leaves another note and was also 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.280 weighed down by a stone with the appropriate zodiac sign 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.520 of Labby Paham, now taking credit for four shootings with 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.160 the appropriate zodiac signs of all four victims. Now that 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.080 letter was very important. Everybody was aware of what was 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.200 going on in Brooklyn. So when they came up upon 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.560 a shooting in Central Park in Manhattan and they recovered 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.720 the letter, the climb scene was pristine, and they were 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.720 able to recover a fingerprint from that letter, which were 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.120 about to be very important later on in the investigation. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.280 This story may be starting to sound familiar. A string 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.800 of letters taunting the police hopes that a fingerprint would 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.560 help catch the killer. The killer in New York was 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.480 following in the footsteps of the Zodiac. When let his 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.320 first came in, he actually claimed that he was one 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.120 and the same as the Zodiac killer. He actually jew 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.000 a sketch of the California Zodiac, wearing a hood on 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.480 one of his letters and he said to me in 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.760 the park. So, you know, we had no idea, you know, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.240 if it was the same individual the fingerprint that we 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.400 had from the PAM letter, they sent it to the 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.440 San Francisco dohities and was not a match too to 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:25.440 that letter. The killer was still on the loose and 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.360 authorities were trying to find any leads that would put 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.280 the city's fear at ease. There was a lot of 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.399 havoc and a lot of chaos in the city at 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.399 the time because the Post was getting the letters and 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:38.919 they were producing headlines, and there was putting a lot 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.359 of fear into the city. So anybody who asked anybody 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.640 for their birthdays in a in a random conversation, people 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.280 would panic and they would call the cops. So when 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.359 Mr Piam got shot in Central Park, he recovered and 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.080 they interviewed him and he says, a couple of days 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.160 before the shooting, he was sitting on a park bench 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.040 in Central Park and an individual he was talking and 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.480 the birthdays came up. A composite sketch was made of 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.800 the man who spoke with Parum about birthdays just days 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:12.120 before the shooting. So that was the basis of that sketch. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:18.640 They actually ended the investigation extensively by putting that sketch out. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.440 Took us in a long direction for a very long time. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.520 When you put out a sketch, you're going to get 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:25.879 a lot of response. Make sure that you're putting a 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.600 sketch out of someone who you have a witness scene 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.719 doing the climb. It was a male black initially, and 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:37.359 the Zodiac was actually a much in a malismanic just 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.600 like the original Zodiac. The media played a key role 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.440 in this case, and not one that was always helpful. 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.359 After the press leaks that a fingerprint had been taken 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.639 from one of the letters, the New York Zodiac fell silent. 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.000 They wouldn't hear from him again until two years later 0:18:54.640 --> 0:19:01.040 on August. The killer struck again, but Sastafante was the 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.280 only one that was a little bit different than the others. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.880 He approached her in daylight. I was she exited a bus. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.240 She was apparently lost in the book area, and he 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.680 approached her and entices to the golopment to the plot 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.600 with him by giving her cigarettes. She had psychological issues 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.720 and he took advantage of her, and he goes so 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.680 we allays does a look part of the park and 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.760 the attacks he saves a one hundred times, killing her. 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.399 Three more attacks would take place, all within close range 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:37.840 of Highland Park, which borders between Brooklyn and Queens. James 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.080 Webber and John Diacon were both shot and wounded in 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:46.720 June and July. Another near fatal shooting would occur that October, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.359 again in Highland Park, when Diane Ballard was shot in 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:55.240 the neck. She survived but was left paralyzed. The only 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.159 one that was able to describe the pip was Dianne 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.000 Ballad and that was the assis of the male of 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.800 Spanic with the mus dish and the hat. So she 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:06.840 was the one that kind of took us from the 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:12.199 heavyset mail black sketch to a male Spanic sketch. The 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:15.479 Zodiac had succeeded in putting fear into the citizens of 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.040 New York. The NYPD began to ramp up in reaction 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.520 to the killings, even forming a task force specifically for 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:25.560 the case. It was the biggest man hunt in New 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.680 York since the Son of Sam killings in six It 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.760 was abouty serious case. The NYPD took a lot of interest, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.440 a lot of expense. They were literally being embabrassed because 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.080 every time you said the lettos going headlines at the 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:41.080 New York Post and all the other those papers. But 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.160 in the letters, he was actually twenty in the NYPD 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.040 at one point, zodiac the number of his victims it 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:53.199 might have been nine and n YPD zero. Looking for 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.639 any possible leads in this case, investigators in the media, 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.560 we're trying to make a deeper connection between the shootings 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:04.119 and the astrological calendar. A lot of people dropped dimes, 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.000 a lot of people who contacted us. We would contacted 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:11.200 from all over the world, Belgium, India, Pakistan, people who 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.240 were interested in the zodiac, and they studied the zodiac 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:18.560 and they were given us ideas. I'm an investigator based 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.919 all my conclusions on evidence, so I didn't really like 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:26.120 get involved with the zodiac angle of it. I concentrated 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:30.400 on the finger prints. Joe maintains that ultimately good police 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.200 work and logic helped bring this killer to justice. By 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.280 tracking the locations of the shootings, Joe and his squad 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.000 were able to hone in on some locations where the 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:46.000 shooter was operating the monetary. Earlier letters, he describes an 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:51.119 intersection in eastern oak Brooklyn, Elbert Lane and Jamaica Avenue. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.800 There's an l elevated train station. Along Jamaica Avenue, you 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.880 have Frankman Kay Lane, which is a large public high 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.439 school and as a large playing field, and around the 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:06.080 playing field you have high benches, you know, for people 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.119 to sit and watch the games. He would follow people 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.440 from the train station. It was an exit at that intersection. Also, 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.920 we figured he was concealing himself up on the stands 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.160 and then he would come down and follow the people 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:21.800 to wherever they went and wait for his prime moment 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.479 to shoot them when no audi else was around. Remembers 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.560 his first comfort zone. The second comfort zone was all 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:32.879 in Highland Park. Now at Highland Park, there was a 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:36.960 large reservoir on top of the park. Around the reservoir, 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.199 it was a perch where he had the ability to 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.000 walk around and look for victims. Once he identified his 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.800 victims from about the top of the reservoir area, he 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.000 would come down the hill and strike his victims were 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:55.399 walking innocently in the park. We identified both those comfort zones. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.280 We drew out a map and we went a mile east, 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:02.359 a mile west of north, and a mile south of 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.960 those comfort zones, so we had probably like you know, 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.400 like a two or three square mile area. We ran 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.960 every address that were in the complience of that map, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.199 and then we searched about databases for people who had 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:19.240 criminal histories in those addresses, came up with about names. 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:20.960 I didn't really have a lot of faith in the 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:26.200 computers at that time, so we submitted for manual latent 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:29.760 fingerprint evaluation all the people that had criminal histories in 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:35.080 those forty addresses. There was a ton of work just 0:23:35.320 --> 0:23:37.520 collecting these things of prints that, never mind having them 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.879 board to the evaluated is to to evaluate them. But 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.680 at the end of the day we injected his name 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:50.520 into the investigation. I haven't both us saida. Now they 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.359 just had to match the fingerprints. Joe says, due to 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.840 a charge from a past arrest being dropped that would 0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.080 prove to be impossible. He taken in a rushed for 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:03.960 primal possession of a zip gun. The significant of the 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:06.120 zip gun was that he would make the guns himself. 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.920 A zip gun is a homemade weapon made by using 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.879 pipes and other materials. You can find it a hardware store. 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:16.680 This was the same type of gun used in the shootings, 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.400 but authorities were unable to make the connection at the time. 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:24.080 In the policy unit, they couldn't put together the gun 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.320 properly and it couldn't discharge it, so because the gun 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:31.159 was inoperable, they dropped charges in the book in DA's office. 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:35.679 His fingerprints were taken at that arrest, but because they 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:39.720 dropped the charges, they were sealed, so later on when 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.200 we did dec red searched of all the adjusses and 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:46.439 the latent fingerprints from the pocalytta, we couldn't match up 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.960 to his fingerprints which could have been on file, but 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.119 because the fingerprints are sealed, we never matched it up. 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:55.760 Later on we became aware with at it that we 0:24:55.800 --> 0:25:19.719 did identify him. M authorities were so close to catching 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:22.520 the killer. Due to some luck, they would again be 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.200 confronted with SATA when an altercation with his sister led 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:31.000 to a three hour shootout in hostage situation. I was 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:34.080 a hosh, just negotiated, I had just finished training, and 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:35.720 I'm sitting in the office and I get a phone 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:40.080 called late morning. I was informed that an individual hot 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.720