WEBVTT - You Have Twenty Seconds To Comply 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:07.160 Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:15.920 Forward Thinking. Hey there, welcome to Forward Thinking, the podcast 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.520 that looks at the future and says Yoshimi, they don't 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.120 believe me, but you won't let those robots defeat me. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.920 I'm Jonvin Strickler and I'm Lauren foc Obam, and I 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.120 was hoping that you would use Yoshimi battles the Pink Robots, 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.520 uh quote for this particular episode from The Flaming Lips. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.760 I'm so pleased you recognized where that came from. I 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.000 think this is like the third time that's happened in 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.240 the entirety of the what like two or three years 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:39.920 we've been recording. There was I think that when I 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.000 used maps once you got that one. To be fair, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:50.280 my musical references are different than Lauren and Joe's musical references. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.920 That is generally true. Speaking of Joe, he is not 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.200 with us today, as you probably guessed from the fact 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.920 that he did not chime in. Joe McCormick, our third 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.560 co host, will be very soon. In the meanwhile, if 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.920 you couldn't tell, we're talking more about robots. Yeah, we 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.880 mentioned in our last episode that we were having a 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.760 duo robot conversation this week, and in fact, this topic 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.480 that we're going to talk about today, robot security guards, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.199 was a suggestion from Joe himself, and so we hope 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:22.319 to do justice to the topic, Joe, and we look 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.720 forward to you being back in the studio very soon. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.760 So let's talk about robots and security guards and and 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:34.319 and robot security guards. Yes, because well, okay, we've talked 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:37.360 many times on the show before about the amazing and 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.400 sometimes strange ways in which robots are taking over traditionally 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.119 human work, the type of human work that frankly just stinks, uh, 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.000 you know it worked that's physically hard or repetitive, or 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.440 dangerous or just boring. Yeah, and all of those things 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.880 are detrimental to a person's sense of self worth. They 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.080 can affect job satisfaction. Like if your job ends up 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:04.960 devolving into something that is repetitively dangerous, obviously, that can 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.720 have a profound effect on you stress, either physical or 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.120 emotional or both. And even if it's just dull, if 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.720 it's just boring and repetitive, then that can have an 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.799 effect on you as well, a big negative impact. Absolutely. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:23.639 And okay, so so security why is security this type 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.600 of a field, this type of field in which we 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:30.000 would potentially want to get robots into. Well. Well, uh, 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:33.160 some some background factoids on security. According to the U. S. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.960 Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were about a million human 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.480 security guards employed around the United States as of Um. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.880 They generally make about twelve or thirteen bucks an now 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.920 or on average patrolling and monitoring premises for suspicious behavior 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.480 and crime. And they're important because even even in this 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.080 world of ours that is increasingly rigged with security cameras everywhere, 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:59.120 security guards, you know, having having a physical person with 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.640 a physical presence can absolutely be a deterrent to crime, right, 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.720 I mean a camera might deter a criminal, it might not. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.480 And if the criminal has decided to go ahead and 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.120 commit said crime, perhaps they've got a mask on or something, 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.919 they feel fairly confident that the camera's not going to 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.760 be able to figure out their identity. What's the camera 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.880 gonna do? Not not a whole lot, just going to 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.639 record like it usually does the same thing it does 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.520 every night, pinky yeah. Um. And furthermore, as we know 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.760 from every heist movie ever, cameras are really easy to trick, uh, 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.880 and very entertaining in the ways that you can come 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:39.520 up with to do so. So okay, um, this job 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.360 is important, but it is not an ideal job. It 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.360 is it is dangerous by nature to put your soft 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.880 and fleshy body in the way of a person who's 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:52.440 desperate or determined enough to steal or destroy property and 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.480 uh and furthermore, it can just be lonely and boring 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.440 and patrolling an area over and over again isn't really fun. Yeah, 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:02.560 so it's already fitting two of the three DS that 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:06.120 are often cited as work that is ideal for robots 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.560 and not for humans. That would be the dangerous and dull. 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.880 But depending upon where you're doing your security gig, you 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.960 might even hit the third D, which is dirty. Dirty 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.479 meaning not just like, oh, that place is poorly maintained. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.040 But it may be that we're talking about security guards 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.919 for areas like where there might be hazardous waste and 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.400 you don't want people wandering into that place. But then 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.479 you put a human being in danger by placing that 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.760 person in close proximity with those hazardous materials. So what's 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:40.960 the solution. Why not put some robots there? Robots? So 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:45.159 here's the thing, Lauren went out and started looking at 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:50.479 this crazy, crazy company that has a security robot that's 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.800 that's been active for a couple of years now, particularly 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:57.840 over in the Silicon Valley area. But recently we saw 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.400 some news coming out because he has started to use 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.839 one or maybe two of these robots at one of 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.240 their lots. Right. Yeah, we were inspired by this news story, 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.760 and so we wanted to to look in to this 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.600 startup called night Scope, which is awesome name. Yeah. Night 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.440 is in like the stabby like armored human kind of 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.440 not not night the Holy Grail style. Yeah yeah, not 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.320 the nighttime but the dark dark thing. Yeah. Okay. So 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:29.640 so in this this startup in Mountain View, California, home 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.400 of Google, home of Google and etcetera, UM started designing 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.600 this robot that they called the K five and what 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.440 they eventually brought to market is a five ft three 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:44.120 inch three hundred pound shiny white doom egg. Yeah that's 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:48.560 a good way of describing it. It is conical, not comical, 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.440 although I guess depending on what happens to it, that 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.880 also could be the case. But but conical in shape 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.080 and uh three hundred pounds, I mean this is this 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.960 is not a lightweight. Yeah, I mean, I am five 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.480 foot three, y'all. For for for reference and and the idea. Like, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.159 I'm thinking that I could easily like ride one of these, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.359 like a like a doo meg pony, but but I 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.520 probably shouldn't. It might start making noise, but we'll talk 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.320 about that in the second Yeah, yeah, okay. So, so 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.240 these things are outfitted with just a whole lot of sensors. 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.040 You've got four high definition cameras in there that give 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.960 it three D sixty degree vision. You've got a license 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.600 plate recognition camera, four microphones, a thermal camera, a laser 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.000 range finder GPS, and a weather sensor um or or 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.679 an environment sensor really you should say that can monitor 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.240 the temperature, the barometric pressure, and carbon dioxide levels in 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.799 the area. So what all of this does is help 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.800 it find its way around, watch any humans that are 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.560 in the area, detect fires very important, uh huh um, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.760 watch for license plates for potential troublemakers like a recently 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.960 fired employees or like a car that seems to be 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.520 casing the joint something like that, and etcetera. Um it 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.400 also has Wi Fi capacity so that it can communicate 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.760 with fellow security bots and also with human personnel. Who 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.560 are either remote or on the site, but not you know, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.400 like poking it right, not right, not not walking, not 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:18.680 literally walking step by step with the robot um for furthermore, 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.400 like like room bas they know when they're running out 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.920 of juice and can go head back over to their 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:28.720 recharge station. Now was interesting to me, beyond the technology here, 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.680 which is already impressive, this idea, you know, it seems 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:36.280 fairly comprehensive for your basic uh guarding type of duties. 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.960 I mean you're talking about some surveillance, some recording patrolling. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.680 Is that nine scopes come up with a clever means 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.720 for generating revenue. They're not like, obviously these robots have 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.600 to be mega super expensive, but they're not. They're not 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.120 just saying, hey, come look at our catalog and you 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:59.600 see this dollar robot. How many would you like to order? Yeah? No, 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.400 they they have a rental business model. So uh so 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.920 the official company line and how much they cost to 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.400 rent is that you should totally speak with a sales 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.640 representative to find out a plan that works best for you. 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.240 But but news reports have listed it at about seven 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.520 dollars per robot per hour, or about sixty dollars a 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.720 year for seven surveillance. Right, So if you think, uh, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:28.040 seven dollars per hour for a robot, like that's probably 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.240 less than what you would pay a human person, and 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.200 in fact, according to averages, it is. So in that case, 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.360 you've got night Scope having a sales pitch saying, well, 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.600 if if your needs don't require an actual human being 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.480 to be there all the time, all the time, then 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.960 perhaps this robot would be a way that not only 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.560 could you maintain security at your space, but you could 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.600 save money in the process. Yeah, and uh and and 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.360 under under this kind of concept, they are in use 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.000 by a few tech companies around the Silicon Valley area, 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.839 like like qual Common and Uber we mentioned, and they 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.400 were certainly in use for a demonstration at Microsoft. I'm 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:11.280 not sure if they actually Yeah. Well, what's interesting to 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.720 me is when I started doing research on this, I 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.960 keep coming up with articles from different time periods, like 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.800 two years apart. They were like and every time it 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.599 was like people had just discovered them right right, and 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:24.880 I had known I had only seen them right now. 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.840 So and I read a lot about robot I'm like, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.360 how did I miss this? They're glorious, to be fair, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.160 even people in Silicon Valley have missed it because every 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.600 time there's another report about these robots being put in 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.720 place by someone, it's like, this is amazing, it's brand new, 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.199 that happened two years ago. There's a hashtag on Instagram. 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:49.439 I don't anyway, Yeah, that is hashtag security robot. By 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.000 the way, if you'd like to look it up and 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.960 see some pictures and videos of it interacting with humans. Um, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.800 so let's say that you rent a few of these. 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.200 How do you set it up? How does it know 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.480 where to patrol? Well, you lead it around with a 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.400 wireless controller to help it build out a basic map 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.280 of its patrol roots. That makes sense because it sounds adorable. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:13.240 It wouldn't magically have the information stored in its data banks. 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.199 It has to learn clearly, So yeah, it's it's kind 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.680 of like taking an employee on a tour, right exactly, 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.520 just your giant metal employee. Well, and the other neat 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:26.240 thing is because it's a machine, it doesn't forget unless 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.120 its memory gets corrupted, so exactly will always remember where 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:32.520 everything is. Yeah, and so, and by observing its surroundings, 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:34.920 it starts to learn, you know, where it can and 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.400 cannot roll because it is a rolling machine, walking machine. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.120 So you can defeat the security robot by with a 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.520 short curb or yeah, exactly, just a just a slight ledge. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:52.000 It's it's kind of got the classic dollic uh weakness. 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:57.800 Although I know, I know that today they can fly, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.400 but back in the day they couldn't know. And and 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.600 the first time that a Dollek said elevate and went 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.520 up some stairs, like, I was terrified. I was genuinely upset. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.160 Spoiler alert for first season of Dr Who reboot season nine. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.760 I guess of the technically, but whatever at any rate. Um, yeah, 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.840 so so you so you lead it around to to 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.360 show it where it can cannot go. It will start 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.640 building up its own personal database of its surroundings there. 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.839 And furthermore, you can program in GPS coordinates to give 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:30.920 it like an outline of like like a fence almost. Yeah, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.080 so it's like it's a very invisible fence that the 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.080 robots not going to go beyond. All right, So all right, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:42.000 I've decided to rent my security my RoboCop and and 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.640 he says, your move, creep. No wait, no, I put him. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.160 I put him out there, uh, patrolling the area that 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.640 we have determined. Let's say that it detects something hinky 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.440 is going on. What happens next? Not a hinky thing 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.360 anything but a hanky thing. Um, it phones home, and 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.040 by home, I mean whatever humans are on security team 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:04.000 at that current moment um. You can have an alert 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.880 different people during different shifts, and anyone who gets an 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:09.520 alert can tune into a live stream of what the 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.880 boat is seeing and hearing. Okay, So in other words, 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.920 you whether it's you've got a team that's on site, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.520 but they are maybe they're overseeing the entire area. Like 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.719 if you're talking about a really big area, you might 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.199 have multiple robots to like on different floors of a 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.120 building for example. Oh absolutely, Or you might even have 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.400 I imagine like a like a larger security call center 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.640 that that's servicing many different robots over different businesses. Right, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.400 that would make sense, and you would have certain teams 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.160 assigned to specific robots. Therefore you would get that notification. 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:44.000 So all right, let's say that, uh, we've got the 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.040 security robot. Clearly, this is something that's meant to interact 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.600 with human beings, whether it's someone that needs help or 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.240 it's someone who's doing something they shouldn't be doing so, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.240 how how does the robot actually perform those interactions. Does 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:05.719 it just like say like please don't do that? Well, yeah, yeah, 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.319 because because on on the ground level, you know, like 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.360 it's it's going to phone home if it senses a problem. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.240 But um, but it's it's the humans in the in 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:18.040 the security team that are going to actually choose what 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.200 what happens, like basically the robot disengages. Essentially, the robot 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.719 is programmed to not interact with humans. Um, I mean 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.439 it's it's which is a strange feature because and I 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.520 think that the team put really quite a lot of 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:35.280 research and development into the physical design and the response 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.240 design of this robot um too, to to make it 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.400 this object that can interact when it has to. But 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.199 that really isn't meant to It's not it's not interfering 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.920 with someone. It's not it's not intimidating someone who is 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.960 perhaps just they're under normal circumstances or perhaps they need 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.000 help and they're coming to the robot to get help. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:02.120 And because the robot actually can can communicate back to yeah, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.120 there's there's a button for that. If you need help, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.400 you can push a button. It's essentially an emergency call button. Yeah, exactly. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.800 So you don't want to design your robot to look like, 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:12.400 you know, like the Queens and aren't Killbot two thousand 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.800 with spinning saw blades all over. Yeah. Yeah, You're not 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.360 going to go up to that kind of robot for help. 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:21.920 I mean also, you gotta run from that robot screaming help. Yes. Furthermore, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.800 if if your if your kid wanders up to it, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.480 that's it's bad time. It's probably you don't want so. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.040 So you know, you wanted to make it intimidating enough 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.600 to deter crime, but you don't want to make it unfriendly, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.600 cute enough that it doesn't scare people, but not so 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.800 cute that people are twisted, lee willing in, or motivated 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.000 to mess with it, as we have seen before in 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:49.800 studies of human robot interaction. Uh remember that that hitchhiking robot, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:52.800 the one that successfully got all the way across Canada 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.280 and then maybe two days into the United States before 0:14:55.280 --> 0:15:00.880 it was stolen and disassembled. Good, good job, Pennsylvania. That 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:05.160 tells you so much about the different cultures of Canada 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.760 and the United States. Or yeah, okay. There was also 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:13.200 a study in Japan of how people would interact with 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.840 a robot that was designed to to help the elderly 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:20.400 shop Yeah, good good robot. Kids messed with it even 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.680 and perhaps because it was saying things like somebody helped 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.880 me or ouch that hurts. But I imagine in Japanese 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:32.320 there is something tragically comical about a robot crying out 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.320 saying somebody helped me, because you know, it's not really 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.800 feeling anything. Yeah, it's not in pain, and that kind 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:41.920 of makes it funny, and that kind of makes you 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.320 want to mess with it more. I mean, I'm a softie, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.400 so I have a feeling that I would totally feel 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.680 empathy for such a machine, but I can also see 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:55.520 the perverse appeal of messing with it further. Right, Yeah, 0:15:55.520 --> 0:16:01.120 there's there's really interesting and probably terrible psycho oology at 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.560 work here. Um So, so the team, it seems like 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.320 what was aiming to make the K five like clearly 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:13.040 inhuman like, like clearly a a robot and not attempting 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.600 to to tug on your heart strings. Right, it doesn't 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.240 have big puppy dog eyes no no, no, no like that. Yeah, 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:25.120 but also obviously autonomous and obviously intelligent. Um So, if 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.440 it's approached by a human person, it will turn turn 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.720 to watch you with all of its big front sensors 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.280 because it kind of kind of has a front in 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.240 the back. Um, if you corner it, it will stop moving. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.480 Just I'm pretty boring anyway, Why would you want to 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.400 mess with me? I pounds? Where are you gonna come on? 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.880 What are you gonna do? Stop? Um? If you keep 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.080 it cornered or if you start poking at it, it 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.920 will chirp at you and and also phone home like 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.800 like a low level alert like hey, And then you 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.240 can actually have a person say something like hey, knock 0:16:56.280 --> 0:17:01.480 it off, we can see you. Yeah. Yeah, and if 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.600 you if you try to mess with it, it'll sound 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.560 an actual alarm like like not like a friendly like hey, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.399 more like a yeah, more like more like imagine the 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:14.600 worst fire alarm you've heard at the loudest level, something 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:19.399 akin to that, because I have seen uh it described 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.800 as ear piercing Yes, uh so so yeah and and 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.720 and then then that will send like an official alert 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:30.040 to to the team managing it, and uh and the 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.960 team managing it can I'm pretty sure, like I like 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.880 I wasn't clear, but but it sounds like you think 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:36.760 that this is the case that the team can like 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.359 speak to you through the robot. I mean, if you 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.280 have if you have a help button, I would imagine 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:44.720 you have to have some sort of communication back or else. 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.600 All I would do is have like an elevated sense 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.400 of this button is doing nothing and we just beak 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.280 behind the curtain. Laurenen Lauren wrote, and I recorded an 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.480 episode of brain Stuff about placebo buttons. That's one case 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.680 where you don't want a placebo button. No, No, that's 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.359 emerge as they call. You want a real effective button. Yeah, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.240 that would be very, very upsetting. So my guess is, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:11.480 while I didn't see anything specifically, uh yeah, common sense 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.520 would dictate there has to be some sort of speaker 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:17.200 through which people could could talk. And I would imagine 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.439 that you would that would become useful both in a 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.120 security feature where you say, hi, we're you're under surveillance, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:28.040 don't do that, go away, or we we heard you 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.000 were sending police or ambulance or whatever the emergency might 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:35.000 be to your location right now, and we'll stay on 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.080 the phone with you that kind of stuff. Yeah. Um, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:38.880 but but there's also a list of things that will 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.960 will absolutely not do. Yeah, it won't physically interact with 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.399 a person. It's not gonna it's not gonna roll up 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:50.360 and be like, hey, back off, dude. I likely did 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.760 the universal fronting like pull me back, coming back. Yeah, 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.719 that's not going to do that. Um. The closest you 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:02.439 will get to any sort of physical interaction is that alarm, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.560 which is powerful enough for you to perhaps and sound 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.040 is technically a physical phenomenon. So I guess by then 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.840 you could say that's how it gets physical with you. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.600 But it doesn't like like, it doesn't have a little 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.159 zapper that comes out allah r two D two. No, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.760 it's not weaponized in any way. It's it's not it's 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.120 not more about that one in just a moment. It's 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.800 not going to mess with you back. Um. And I'm 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:28.240 delighted by by the existence of this thing, a little 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.639 bit creeped out. Um. You know, the fact that it 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.359 can look me right in my beady eyes. You know, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.800 I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that. I 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.639 also the fact that they one of the owners of 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.560 the company or one of the creators of the robot, 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.320 in one interview, said like it's the absolute minimum height 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.440 that it could be in order to Um, to look 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:50.399 around a parking lot, and I was like, absolute minimum. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.560 You can't be any shorter, Lauren, you will be lost 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:57.720 in every parking lot. Um. Well, one of the things 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.479 that makes me think about is that, Well, on the 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.280 one hand, and like you get into the discussion about, yes, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.159 this is taking a job that is not the greatest 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:07.800 job for a human being, But on the other hand, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:09.600 you're like, well, there are human beings who are depending 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.440 upon jobs like these in order to make a living. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.520 So there's there's two sides of that point. You would 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.560 hope to be able to come up with a means, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.639 and it's beyond the scope of nights scope. It's beyond 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.159 their scope to come up with the means, But you 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.600 would hope you could come up with some way of 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.600 getting those people who would otherwise be be out of 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.720 a job into a different line of work or some 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.440 other related field so that they could continue to make 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.480 a living and contribute to society while also not being 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.800 put in physical harm or in a situation that's going 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.240 to be soul sapping because it's so dull and repetitive. 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.000 The robot is not going to care, so so it's 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.040 up to us to care. Yeah, I also I like 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.320 the idea of a robot being able to to record everything, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:59.560 uh perfectly, like with video and audio. Uh. Once upon 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:02.080 a time, Laren, before I worked at How Stuff Works, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:07.119 by about ten years, I had attempt job working for 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.760 a security a private security firm. My job was to 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:16.240 transcribe security officer reports, handwritten reports, so that they could 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.720 be filed in the computer system. And that was not 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.320 the best or most rewarding job I've ever had. The 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.560 people who were working there were perfectly earnest and hard working, 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.280 and I give all the credit to them. They were 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:36.679 not writers, and sometimes deciphering what they were writing, not 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.760 just like physically deciphering what a word was, but trying 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:43.639 to figure out what they've meant. Um, I'll have to 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.040 tell you the story of Cookie after this podcast. I 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:48.800 tell it now, but it would be such a huge 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.520 tangent that it would be a waste of time, so 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.359 I'll tell you afterwards. But but you wouldn't have to 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.200 worry about that because the robot would be recording everything. 0:21:56.280 --> 0:22:01.040 So that of data and having a cont tenual stream 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.600 of that data at a certain point becomes a little 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.560 bit of a big data problem. Um, But it's probably 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.119 a good problem that many companies would love to have, well, 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.600 especially if you have to pursue a legal claim against someone, 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:17.520 because you're not relying upon uh eyewitness account or a 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.640 security person's account of what happened. For a stationary camera's 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.840 footage right where you might not have a good view, 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.639 you've got a three degree view, a mobile view, because 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.640 they can move to wherever the problem is or somewhere 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.159 where has a better line of sight of where a 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.880 problem might be and have a recording of that thing 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:39.240 that is incredibly valuable, well beyond like an eyewitness account, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.680