WEBVTT - #1090: Swinging On The Uneven Bars 0:00:00.930 --> 0:00:20.470 Now it's fire. Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. KnowledgeFight.com. 0:00:20.530 --> 0:00:23.910 It's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. 0:00:24.130 --> 0:00:26.700 Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're 0:00:26.710 --> 0:00:29.960 the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. 0:00:30.060 --> 0:00:31.060 Dan and Jordan. 0:00:31.180 --> 0:00:32.200 Knowledge Fight. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:33.199 Need, need money. 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:40.419 Andy in Kansas. 0:00:40.990 --> 0:00:42.840 Andy in Kansas. Stop it. 0:00:42.990 --> 0:00:46.980 Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:48.120 Andy in Kansas. 0:00:48.140 --> 0:00:48.580 You're on the air. 0:00:48.620 --> 0:00:49.120 Thanks for holding. 0:00:49.890 --> 0:00:51.229 Alex, I'm a first-time caller. 0:00:51.290 --> 0:00:51.940 I'm a huge fan. 0:00:51.979 --> 0:00:52.620 I love your work. 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.720 Knowledge Fight. 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.880 KnowledgeFight.com. I love you. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.740 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:02.440 I'm Jordan. 0:01:02.500 --> 0:01:04.260 We're a couple dudes. Like to sit around, worship at 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.000 the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about 0:01:06.410 --> 0:01:08.370 Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. 0:01:08.390 --> 0:01:08.630 Dan. 0:01:08.690 --> 0:01:09.030 Jordan. 0:01:09.050 --> 0:01:09.770 Quick question for you. 0:01:09.790 --> 0:01:10.149 What's up? 0:01:10.209 --> 0:01:11.170 What's your bright spot today, buddy? 0:01:11.310 --> 0:01:14.429 My bright spot today, let's get back to MacGyver. Let's 0:01:14.450 --> 0:01:17.209 get back there. So watch the next episode of MacGyver. 0:01:17.250 --> 0:01:18.790 All right. No kisses. 0:01:18.910 --> 0:01:19.610 No smooches? 0:01:19.850 --> 0:01:21.809 No. No ants. No ants. 0:01:21.990 --> 0:01:22.289 Okay. 0:01:22.430 --> 0:01:26.670 The bad guys in this episode were some fellas who 0:01:26.690 --> 0:01:27.810 had stolen a Brinks truck. 0:01:27.940 --> 0:01:29.039 Sure. 0:01:29.420 --> 0:01:32.140 Are they bad guys? Yeah. All right. They've taken over 0:01:32.220 --> 0:01:35.240 an airport, a little small airport. So MacGyver's going out. 0:01:35.340 --> 0:01:38.360 He's trying to go fishing at this place that him 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.080 and his dad used to go to back when he 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:40.480 was a kid. 0:01:40.620 --> 0:01:40.910 Okay. 0:01:40.940 --> 0:01:43.390 Takes a wrong turn. Right. Ends up going to this 0:01:43.470 --> 0:01:44.730 airport trying to get directions. 0:01:44.750 --> 0:01:45.390 What are you going to do? 0:01:45.430 --> 0:01:47.889 Right. Yeah. It has been taken over by thieves. 0:01:47.950 --> 0:01:49.010 Just so happens. 0:01:49.050 --> 0:01:52.180 Tiny little airport. That's the day. So they take MacGyver 0:01:52.220 --> 0:01:55.560 hostage along with the rest of the people. Huge mistake. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:01.480 Huge mistake. And chaos ensues and a guy heals from 0:02:01.540 --> 0:02:03.040 his trauma about Vietnam. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.820 That's good. That's nice. It's wrapped up in a good 0:02:06.820 --> 0:02:08.190 45 minute episode. 0:02:08.260 --> 0:02:10.370 Most of the story, a lot of it hinges on 0:02:10.450 --> 0:02:13.609 whether or not this guy is willing to fly a 0:02:13.630 --> 0:02:17.750 helicopter in order to save everyone there. Right. Because he 0:02:17.810 --> 0:02:20.870 swore after Vietnam he would never fly another helicopter again. 0:02:21.950 --> 0:02:24.900 And so he finally finds it within himself. 0:02:25.500 --> 0:02:29.100 I mean, I suppose that's a positive. I mean, I 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:31.020 like a guy who sticks to his guns, even in 0:02:31.060 --> 0:02:34.490 the face of adversity. So but I understand the guy 0:02:35.030 --> 0:02:37.910 sentencing everybody to death is probably not a good TV character. 0:02:38.010 --> 0:02:42.210 Yeah. So instead of kisses, there is sort of like 0:02:42.310 --> 0:02:47.040 MacGyver being the best guy in the world. Right. Because 0:02:47.100 --> 0:02:50.040 the guy who's recovering from Vietnam is in love with 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.860 the waitress from this airport. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:55.200 Right. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.030 And they just can't get it together because he can't 0:02:59.050 --> 0:03:03.810 get over Nam. Right. And so by encouraging him to 0:03:03.850 --> 0:03:07.230 fly this helicopter, he has allowed them to love each 0:03:07.290 --> 0:03:08.669 other once more. 0:03:09.510 --> 0:03:11.230 Deserves a peck on the cheek, at least. 0:03:11.550 --> 0:03:11.780 No. 0:03:12.790 --> 0:03:13.260 Come on. 0:03:13.419 --> 0:03:13.600 Nope. 0:03:13.940 --> 0:03:15.579 MacGyver is selfless with the kisses? 0:03:17.660 --> 0:03:21.820 I don't know when smooches became MacGyver's thing, but I 0:03:21.860 --> 0:03:23.080 like it. I appreciate it. 0:03:23.260 --> 0:03:24.980 Well, I think it was because there were two in 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:25.799 the first episode. 0:03:25.860 --> 0:03:26.080 Right. 0:03:26.100 --> 0:03:26.540 It was jarring. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:27.720 Yeah, that's just too many. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.620 Now, this episode also features a young Jackie Earl Haley. 0:03:32.910 --> 0:03:33.510 Really? 0:03:33.650 --> 0:03:34.370 Not that young. 0:03:34.470 --> 0:03:35.990 Not the kid Jackie Earl Haley. 0:03:36.010 --> 0:03:37.190 Not like Bad News Bears. 0:03:37.270 --> 0:03:37.530 No. 0:03:37.710 --> 0:03:39.390 Adolescent Jackie Earl Haley? 0:03:39.430 --> 0:03:42.170 Yeah. All right. He plays one of the creeps who's 0:03:42.210 --> 0:03:45.430 taken over the... The airport. One of the criminals. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:46.290 Man. 0:03:47.010 --> 0:03:51.780 Did he say that you guys aren't locked up here 0:03:51.860 --> 0:03:52.900 with me? 0:03:52.940 --> 0:03:53.340 Wait, no. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:54.340 I think I got it backwards. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:55.140 You're doing a Rorschach? 0:03:55.180 --> 0:03:56.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:03:56.460 --> 0:03:59.880 No. He doesn't do that, but he does say, I'm 0:03:59.940 --> 0:04:04.470 a youth. He's a lot younger than the other criminals 0:04:04.550 --> 0:04:08.130 in that. Right. Anyway, it was fun. I'm excited to 0:04:08.150 --> 0:04:10.150 keep watching, although I will say that this one was 0:04:10.190 --> 0:04:12.470 a little bit of a meh compared to Ants. 0:04:13.220 --> 0:04:14.210 I mean, come on. 0:04:14.410 --> 0:04:14.730 Yeah. 0:04:14.990 --> 0:04:19.240 Answer like a season finale. You can't just answer in 0:04:19.260 --> 0:04:21.100 the like sixth episode. What is that? 0:04:21.650 --> 0:04:23.920 That's way early on. So what's your bright spot? 0:04:24.390 --> 0:04:27.660 My bright spot is I met my childhood best friend 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.359 for lunch. He reached out. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.359 And was like, ah, I exist. 0:04:34.420 --> 0:04:36.240 And I was like, wow, me too. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.020 We were alive at the same time. And then we 0:04:39.060 --> 0:04:40.320 went and had lunch. 0:04:40.660 --> 0:04:45.039 He's a great person, which is cool because I was 0:04:45.060 --> 0:04:49.340 thinking about this afterwards. I was like, considering where we're from, 0:04:50.130 --> 0:04:53.780 considering where the world is and how it's heading and 0:04:53.820 --> 0:04:56.960 how it changed while we were growing up, the chances 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:58.220 are much higher. 0:04:57.980 --> 0:05:00.000 For both of us to be horrible people. 0:05:00.100 --> 0:05:02.550 Yeah, that's true. That's true. The odds are not in 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.520 your favor. Yeah, yeah. 0:05:03.589 --> 0:05:05.409 So that the two of us worked out made me 0:05:05.450 --> 0:05:08.190 think maybe there was truly something of like when we 0:05:08.230 --> 0:05:12.549 were growing up, We influenced each other to keep us from. 0:05:12.470 --> 0:05:14.090 Being pieces of shit later on in life. 0:05:14.370 --> 0:05:14.690 I doubt it. 0:05:14.690 --> 0:05:16.150 You know? I kind of doubt that, too. 0:05:16.170 --> 0:05:16.810 But it was nice to think about. 0:05:16.830 --> 0:05:18.570 I wouldn't take credit for him being decent. 0:05:18.650 --> 0:05:19.070 No, no, no. 0:05:19.110 --> 0:05:20.849 I was going far the other direction. 0:05:21.790 --> 0:05:23.490 Oh, he was responsible for you being decent. 0:05:23.529 --> 0:05:27.490 He's basically kept me from throwing my life away. Or, 0:05:27.750 --> 0:05:30.940 I guess, maybe becoming the most popular right-wing podcaster there's 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:31.380 ever been. 0:05:31.540 --> 0:05:31.890 Yeah. 0:05:31.940 --> 0:05:33.760 There were only two options for me. 0:05:33.779 --> 0:05:36.300 Well, one's still available to you later. Sure, sure. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:37.040 That'll happen. 0:05:37.100 --> 0:05:39.000 Yeah, that's always on the horizon. 0:05:39.700 --> 0:05:40.260 It could be. 0:05:40.460 --> 0:05:42.919 But yeah. I'm glad you had a good time. And 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.640 reconnecting is always a little bit scary, a little bit 0:05:45.660 --> 0:05:48.730 stressful beforehand. But I think it always is nice. I 0:05:48.750 --> 0:05:50.029 think it usually is nice. 0:05:50.110 --> 0:05:53.870 I mean, it could have been even fine. 0:05:54.210 --> 0:05:55.169 But it was great. 0:05:55.370 --> 0:05:57.130 That's awesome. Well, congratulations. 0:05:57.170 --> 0:05:57.330 Yeah. 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:59.420 Today is not going to be great. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:00.940 That is unexpected. 0:06:01.020 --> 0:06:02.480 But it is a meeting of friends. 0:06:02.620 --> 0:06:03.060 Okay. 0:06:03.100 --> 0:06:06.780 And there are some friends that we'll talk about on 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.539 this episode. Oh, no. But first, before we get into 0:06:09.580 --> 0:06:10.860 any of this, let's take a little moment to say 0:06:10.900 --> 0:06:11.880 hello to some new wonks. 0:06:11.900 --> 0:06:12.620 Oh, that's a great idea. 0:06:12.820 --> 0:06:15.640 So first, from the king of cats, forget the frogs, 0:06:15.779 --> 0:06:20.080 stepdad to my bisexual roommate's bisexual cat who gets bullied 0:06:20.140 --> 0:06:24.000 by my girl Yennefer. I'm sorry. Thank you so much. 0:06:24.060 --> 0:06:25.419 You're now a policy wonk. I'm sorry. 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:26.349 I'm a policy wonk. 0:06:26.460 --> 0:06:30.270 Says I'm sorry at the end. Yes. Next, taking a 0:06:30.310 --> 0:06:34.410 fistful of super male vitality and backstroking at Barton Springs, 0:06:34.510 --> 0:06:38.280 then hum the Jaws theme. 0:06:38.779 --> 0:06:39.700 I'm a policy wonk. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:40.279 Thank you so much. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:41.300 Thank you very much. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.620 And I will karate chop you if you land in 0:06:43.700 --> 0:06:47.310 Shenzhen or Hong Kong, and I'm swimming in rare earth 0:06:47.370 --> 0:06:49.109 minerals here in China. Thank you so much. You're now 0:06:49.130 --> 0:06:49.550 a policy wonk. 0:06:50.029 --> 0:06:50.810 I'm a policy wonk. 0:06:50.830 --> 0:06:51.469 Thank you very much. 0:06:51.610 --> 0:06:53.800 Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. 0:06:53.820 --> 0:06:55.940 So thank you so much, too. The episode numbers jump 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.200 from 425 to 427, and I'm filled to the brim 0:06:59.220 --> 0:07:02.380 with righteous indignation. Release the 426 cut. Thank you so much. 0:07:02.430 --> 0:07:03.250 You're now a technocrat. 0:07:03.740 --> 0:07:04.640 I'm a policy wonk. 0:07:04.779 --> 0:07:05.040 Four stars. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:08.659 Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.970 sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar 0:07:12.990 --> 0:07:18.510 Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, 0:07:18.730 --> 0:07:21.510 little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. 0:07:21.830 --> 0:07:23.190 I renounce Jesus Christ. 0:07:23.570 --> 0:07:28.840 Unfortunately, Todd Snyder owns that episode, and we're not allowed to. 0:07:28.980 --> 0:07:30.760 Well, that was the one where we found out that 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.600 both our moms' names were Martha. Right. And that allowed 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.620 us to, I guess, connect on a more emotional level. 0:07:36.660 --> 0:07:37.900 And we no longer own the rights. 0:07:37.940 --> 0:07:38.520 Right, that's true. 0:07:38.870 --> 0:07:42.030 So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're talking about some friends. 0:07:42.130 --> 0:07:42.390 Mm-hmm. 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.620 Um, and that is, uh, I, I wanted to branch 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.200 out a little bit and, uh, see what was going 0:07:49.340 --> 0:07:51.580 on in some of the other, the other people in 0:07:51.620 --> 0:07:52.680 the Alex over. 0:07:52.820 --> 0:07:53.700 Sure, sure, sure, sure. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.170 And it just so happened that Alex was recently on, uh, 0:07:57.250 --> 0:08:02.610 his trainer, Sean Johnson's podcast. Uh, Sean Johnson got a podcast. 0:08:02.690 --> 0:08:03.350 Why wouldn't you? 0:08:03.550 --> 0:08:07.710 Not Sean Johnson, the Olympic gold medal gymnast who won 0:08:07.750 --> 0:08:08.610 dancing with the stars. 0:08:08.630 --> 0:08:08.700 Yes. 0:08:08.740 --> 0:08:09.000 Yes. 0:08:09.820 --> 0:08:10.520 Very different one. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:11.060 That's not. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:12.920 She does not train Alex Jones. 0:08:13.580 --> 0:08:15.520 That would be an interesting twist, though. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:16.180 It would. 0:08:16.260 --> 0:08:16.440 Yeah. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.640 It would. No, this is a guy who's a former 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.420 enlisted guy. Sure. And someone who has no juice. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:26.460 Probably in really good shape, though. 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:27.050 Yes. Yeah. 0:08:27.140 --> 0:08:31.350 I think that is definitely fair to say. He is yoked. Yep. 0:08:31.450 --> 0:08:34.270 But I don't think he has a lot of charisma. 0:08:34.290 --> 0:08:34.349 No. 0:08:35.170 --> 0:08:38.660 And so I wanted to see what these other figures 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.120 were like. Sure. Because we only really know him as 0:08:41.179 --> 0:08:44.860 a name that Alex brings up. That's true. And so, hey, 0:08:45.020 --> 0:08:47.599 let's see what they're all about. 0:08:47.620 --> 0:08:49.880 I would be delighted to see what they're all about. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.230 So what it turns out they're all about is ripping 0:08:52.290 --> 0:08:52.890 off Rogan. 0:08:53.170 --> 0:08:58.290 Ah! Are you not entertained? Is this not why you 0:08:58.370 --> 0:08:58.870 are here? 0:08:59.330 --> 0:08:59.390 Ah! 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.420 Rolling. All right. Rolling, rolling, rolling. Keep them doggies moving. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:12.430 Episode 23, Alex Jones, the man. Nope. Sean B. Johnson's 0:09:12.450 --> 0:09:13.870 the man. No, no, sir. 0:09:14.150 --> 0:09:14.350 No. 0:09:14.870 --> 0:09:17.890 You're paving the way for young guys like us. What 0:09:17.929 --> 0:09:20.450 you're doing is incredible. Thank you for coming on. 0:09:20.710 --> 0:09:21.329 You bet. Love it. 0:09:21.780 --> 0:09:25.590 It just feels like a Rogan opening to me. There's 0:09:25.610 --> 0:09:29.130 this music. There's a little sound drop of, are you 0:09:29.170 --> 0:09:29.950 not entertained? 0:09:30.010 --> 0:09:30.250 Yeah. 0:09:30.550 --> 0:09:34.250 You know, Rogan as the train by day, Rogan podcast 0:09:34.309 --> 0:09:37.090 at night. You know, like there's this intro and then 0:09:37.350 --> 0:09:39.670 it's as if we're just rolling. We're just rolling. We're 0:09:39.700 --> 0:09:43.210 just starting the conversation. Like it just, it aesthetically is a, 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:44.980 it feels like a cheap knockoff. 0:09:45.140 --> 0:09:45.520 It is. 0:09:45.540 --> 0:09:54.900 Um, When you're being an artificial performer, you're acting, you're 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.750 saying somebody else's words, but you're a mechanical person existing 0:09:59.790 --> 0:10:03.960 within this job. A level of quality is how well 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.700 you pull it off. How well you make it look 0:10:05.780 --> 0:10:09.040 like it's not artificial at all. This is not that. 0:10:09.380 --> 0:10:12.500 This is very much artificial as shit. This is like 0:10:12.540 --> 0:10:15.950 an AI making a podcast about make a Rogan show. 0:10:16.170 --> 0:10:18.890 Yeah, and I think it's a testament to how heavily 0:10:18.970 --> 0:10:22.809 influenced all of these people in that sphere are. I 0:10:22.830 --> 0:10:25.370 don't know if they can really conceive of much else 0:10:25.550 --> 0:10:30.330 but doing another Rogan thing. And it sucks because they're 0:10:30.370 --> 0:10:30.870 not Rogan. 0:10:31.210 --> 0:10:34.479 Well, I mean, creativity isn't really rewarded in their spheres either. 0:10:35.100 --> 0:10:37.440 True. And at the end of the day, when you 0:10:37.460 --> 0:10:39.939 really look at it, what he did wasn't that creative. No, 0:10:39.940 --> 0:10:41.590 not at all. Rogan wasn't that creative at all. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:42.480 He just got there early. 0:10:42.540 --> 0:10:45.620 Yeah, and he was really good at being high. Yep, yep. 0:10:47.010 --> 0:10:47.670 Boy, the world. 0:10:48.090 --> 0:10:52.730 So Sean starts off this interview by asking about the 0:10:52.990 --> 0:10:56.780 recent news that the Supreme Court is not interested in 0:10:56.860 --> 0:10:58.140 Alex's appeal. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:10:58.800 Nope, not at all. 0:10:59.140 --> 0:11:02.140 And so he asks about that, and Alex has a take. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.620 I know we wanted to get you back on here 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.360 as soon as possible because the verdict just came back. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.120 They are not going to hear your appeal with the 0:11:10.140 --> 0:11:13.390 Supreme Court. And so I don't want to talk about 0:11:13.450 --> 0:11:15.709 anything else. Let's jump right into that. What the fuck 0:11:15.750 --> 0:11:16.170 is going on? 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.880 And we were also looking into the latest on Charlie Kirk, Trump. 0:11:19.950 --> 0:11:22.150 But it all ties together. This is a lot bigger 0:11:22.170 --> 0:11:26.890 than just me. We've sued them. It's come out in 0:11:26.929 --> 0:11:30.850 court that Obama put me under national security investigation in 0:11:30.850 --> 0:11:34.360 2013 in Comey. Those documents were released by the Trump 0:11:34.380 --> 0:11:38.320 administration about seven months ago. And they had a dragnet 0:11:38.340 --> 0:11:40.700 and were looking for something criminal to put me in jail. 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.160 And even once Trump got in in 2016, 2017, it 0:11:43.179 --> 0:11:45.610 still continued on. Trump never got control of the Justice Department. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.760 And so they settled, and I've admitted this, on claiming 0:11:49.900 --> 0:11:52.140 I said and did things concerning Sandy Hook I never 0:11:52.179 --> 0:11:56.329 even said. So they did years of discovery and then 0:11:56.370 --> 0:12:00.450 found nothing wrong. So they claimed that I didn't give 0:12:00.510 --> 0:12:02.970 them evidence that they claim existed with no proof. 0:12:03.730 --> 0:12:06.770 So that answer that Alex gives is interesting, I think, 0:12:06.830 --> 0:12:09.370 on two fronts. The first is that he's saying that 0:12:09.390 --> 0:12:11.550 the courts claim that he failed to turn over evidence 0:12:11.590 --> 0:12:14.960 with no proof. He's arguing that they insisted that Alex 0:12:15.020 --> 0:12:17.660 held a piece of evidence that he wasn't giving them, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.400 but in reality, this evidence didn't exist. They were demanding 0:12:21.450 --> 0:12:24.010 him turn over something that wasn't real, so this was 0:12:24.050 --> 0:12:27.370 essentially a trap that he got put into. In a 0:12:27.410 --> 0:12:30.570 situation like this, it's very difficult to prove that someone's 0:12:30.610 --> 0:12:35.740 withholding evidence without knowing what that evidence is. In Alex's case, though, 0:12:35.860 --> 0:12:39.140 the court absolutely knows that he withheld evidence because his 0:12:39.220 --> 0:12:42.699 lawyer accidentally sent the plaintiff's lawyers in Texas... part of 0:12:42.820 --> 0:12:44.100 Alex's phone records. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:44.400 Yeah. 0:12:44.940 --> 0:12:48.150 In discovery, Alex was required to turn over all communications 0:12:48.170 --> 0:12:50.490 that he had that mentioned a ton of key terms, 0:12:50.610 --> 0:12:53.980 including Sandy hook. And he turned over a bunch of stuff, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.420 but it appeared incomplete. When his text messages were accidentally 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.920 sent to the lawyers, there was one where Paul Joseph 0:12:59.980 --> 0:13:02.420 Watson was warning him that this COVID stuff that he 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.620 was doing was, quote, Sandy Hook all over again, which 0:13:05.700 --> 0:13:07.719 should have been turned over in Discovery. 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.569 Yeah, but that one's really incriminating. 0:13:09.620 --> 0:13:09.900 Yeah. 0:13:09.950 --> 0:13:10.120 Yeah. 0:13:10.420 --> 0:13:14.030 The fact that this text wasn't produced in Discovery irrefutably 0:13:14.110 --> 0:13:17.329 proves that there was material that Alex was required to 0:13:17.370 --> 0:13:20.410 turn over to the court that he did not. There 0:13:20.490 --> 0:13:23.610 is rock solid proof that he didn't comply fully and 0:13:23.630 --> 0:13:26.980 appropriately with Discovery. So when he's saying that they say 0:13:27.059 --> 0:13:31.790 I didn't turn over everything with no evidence, it's... so 0:13:32.050 --> 0:13:35.380 often very easy to make that argument. And he is 0:13:35.510 --> 0:13:38.040 one of the few cases where you can. Yeah, it is. 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.339 It is like to the point where I feel it 0:13:41.500 --> 0:13:45.439 escalates to a moral obligation to say, yeah, you got me, 0:13:45.980 --> 0:13:48.660 you know, like this was, you got me, you got, 0:13:48.730 --> 0:13:51.290 you got me. Like if we're in a dunk tank bullseye, 0:13:51.370 --> 0:13:53.770 you're in the water, you know, but how is it? 0:13:53.809 --> 0:13:55.450 How can we live in a world where he's still 0:13:55.490 --> 0:13:56.689 allowed to say you didn't get me? 0:13:56.790 --> 0:13:56.910 Yeah. 0:13:56.929 --> 0:13:57.590 That's bullshit. 0:13:57.610 --> 0:13:57.830 Yeah. 0:13:57.929 --> 0:13:58.770 Right. It is. 0:13:59.210 --> 0:13:59.450 It is. 0:13:59.530 --> 0:14:04.820 It's a refutation of the continuity of reality. 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.839 Yeah, it makes you question what is real if this 0:14:07.900 --> 0:14:08.319 is allowed. 0:14:08.340 --> 0:14:11.550 He can't possibly ever be held to account for anything 0:14:11.570 --> 0:14:13.330 if this is not. 0:14:13.450 --> 0:14:16.990 Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's there. It makes you scream 0:14:17.050 --> 0:14:18.290 things like, it's there. 0:14:18.309 --> 0:14:22.090 Mm-hmm. So the second thing there is that Alex's story 0:14:22.130 --> 0:14:25.070 about this case seems to have changed. For years, it 0:14:25.090 --> 0:14:27.570 was started by Hillary Clinton because she was too afraid 0:14:27.610 --> 0:14:30.840 of Alex's connection with Trump. She wanted to destroy Trump, 0:14:30.930 --> 0:14:33.320 so she cooked up a case against Alex to attack 0:14:33.380 --> 0:14:36.900 Trump by extension. But now Obama started this in 2013? 0:14:36.900 --> 0:14:39.220 The fuck are we talking about? 0:14:39.300 --> 0:14:41.870 Yeah, I thought we were in the 2015 region was 0:14:41.910 --> 0:14:44.430 when she started bringing everything back to the fore. 0:14:44.570 --> 0:14:44.910 Yeah, yeah. 0:14:45.110 --> 0:14:46.550 Now it goes deeper still? 0:14:46.650 --> 0:14:46.850 Yep. 0:14:46.910 --> 0:14:48.410 How could I believe that? 0:14:48.630 --> 0:14:51.130 So this is about some FOIA documents that came out 0:14:51.170 --> 0:14:54.260 recently that showed that the FBI was assessing, quote, white 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:58.960 racially motivated extremists in 2013. It says nothing about Alex. 0:14:59.260 --> 0:15:01.980 It's just kind of understood by all these media figures 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.070 that he is a white identity extremist. 0:15:04.170 --> 0:15:04.430 Yeah. 0:15:04.470 --> 0:15:07.310 So this must have been Obama trying to crush him. Well, 0:15:08.030 --> 0:15:11.690 I can say this with no uncertainty. If Clinton, Obama 0:15:11.790 --> 0:15:15.350 or Biden were half as inclined toward dictatorship as Trump is, 0:15:15.790 --> 0:15:18.780 Alex would be in prison right now. He has committed crimes. 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:20.960 And the only thing that's protected him is that his 0:15:21.060 --> 0:15:24.370 enemies will even upholding the tradition's and protections that our 0:15:24.410 --> 0:15:30.370 legal system affords. He is living free because other people 0:15:30.430 --> 0:15:33.100 believe in the rules that he pretends to care about. 0:15:33.220 --> 0:15:35.280 Yeah, yeah, I know it would be a tough sell, 0:15:35.340 --> 0:15:38.040 but it would be something where I would consider it 0:15:38.140 --> 0:15:43.240 much more cleanly if Obama had been like, guys, I listen, 0:15:43.270 --> 0:15:45.300 I get it, but I'm just going to take this 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.380 one off the board. This one's me. I'm just going 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.300 to take this one off the board. Come what may. 0:15:49.460 --> 0:15:51.400 I think it makes more sense than to go through 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.540 all of your bullshit. Uh, but you know what? Chess 0:15:54.580 --> 0:15:56.680 is the way it is by, you know, I would have, 0:15:56.700 --> 0:15:58.900 I would have been able to accept more of that argument. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.480 I believe in the rule of law. Everything is very important. Seriously. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.540 Fuck this guy in Texas. 0:16:03.740 --> 0:16:05.040 Listen, 100%. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:06.870 I am all on board with the law. 0:16:07.150 --> 0:16:07.930 I'm a lawyer. 0:16:08.230 --> 0:16:09.680 Fuck that guy. Let's get him. 0:16:10.290 --> 0:16:14.270 So Alex believes and argues that there was fake evidence 0:16:14.350 --> 0:16:15.870 that was used against him in court. 0:16:16.010 --> 0:16:16.170 Right. 0:16:16.710 --> 0:16:21.270 And so he says that. And Sean asks him, like, what? 0:16:21.290 --> 0:16:22.350 What was the fake evidence? 0:16:23.170 --> 0:16:23.310 Uh-oh. 0:16:24.030 --> 0:16:26.730 They had two show trials produced three years ago where 0:16:26.750 --> 0:16:28.510 I was already found guilty by the judge. The judge 0:16:28.530 --> 0:16:30.880 has instructed the jury I'm guilty. And they put on 0:16:30.890 --> 0:16:32.890 all this fake evidence. I'm not allowed to challenge it. 0:16:33.460 --> 0:16:34.080 And Texas did. 0:16:33.980 --> 0:16:37.460 A $ 45 million judgment and Connecticut a $ 1. 4 billion. What 0:16:37.500 --> 0:16:41.560 was that evidence? What's this fake evidence that they put out? Well, 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.660 when a judge defaults you, then they're still supposed to 0:16:46.700 --> 0:16:49.360 put on a trial on damages, but even that wasn't real. 0:16:49.540 --> 0:16:51.520 So it was just completely rigged. 0:16:52.450 --> 0:16:53.210 Answer the question. 0:16:54.110 --> 0:16:57.369 Now they've done that to Mike Lindell on MyPillow. I 0:16:57.410 --> 0:17:01.730 just saw that. Where a federal judge said, I decide 0:17:01.930 --> 0:17:02.470 you're guilty. 0:17:03.210 --> 0:17:05.290 Sean doesn't get that he's not supposed to ask a 0:17:05.330 --> 0:17:08.109 question like that. He's just supposed to nod along and say, oh, 0:17:08.130 --> 0:17:11.010 my God, they were so mean to you, Alex. This 0:17:11.070 --> 0:17:13.640 is the kind of question an actual interviewer might come 0:17:13.700 --> 0:17:16.520 up with because it's interesting. And if Alex was telling 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.660 the truth, it would lead to some good conversation. Alex 0:17:19.700 --> 0:17:22.240 is just making up that they presented fake evidence, though. 0:17:22.260 --> 0:17:24.479 So if you ask him what the fake evidence is, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.950 he doesn't have an answer. And that kind of reveals 0:17:27.010 --> 0:17:29.850 the illusion of this whole thing. He has no answer. 0:17:30.290 --> 0:17:32.800 So you can see how Alex has to awkwardly change 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.859 the subject and see if he can get some momentum 0:17:34.900 --> 0:17:38.619 going in another direction. Talking about my pillow. See if 0:17:38.660 --> 0:17:41.340 we can get Sean to forget what his question was 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:41.960 to begin with. 0:17:42.250 --> 0:17:44.010 Yeah, you'd really think he's had a lot of time 0:17:44.050 --> 0:17:45.359 to find that fake evidence. 0:17:45.380 --> 0:17:45.690 So much. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:47.820 At this point in time, or at least make up 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.660 some your own. Fucking you're using the contracts that fake 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:55.919 George Soros made for Antifa. Make up a contract for 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:57.899 we're using fake evidence against Alex Jones. 0:17:58.220 --> 0:17:59.310 And Obama signed it. 0:17:59.350 --> 0:18:01.410 Well, I think one of the issues that Alex has 0:18:01.490 --> 0:18:04.250 is he has to say pretty vague on this. Because 0:18:05.030 --> 0:18:08.670 I do think that if he were to say that 0:18:08.710 --> 0:18:13.080 the lawyers introduced fake evidence and use a specific, they 0:18:13.100 --> 0:18:13.619 would fuck him. 0:18:14.140 --> 0:18:14.500 Right. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:19.100 You might be able to get him into court real 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:20.280 fast with that. Right. 0:18:20.660 --> 0:18:21.110 Right, right, right. 0:18:21.350 --> 0:18:22.590 You can't do it to lawyers. 0:18:22.630 --> 0:18:22.930 Yeah. 0:18:23.330 --> 0:18:24.409 Then you'll get in trouble. 0:18:24.650 --> 0:18:25.150 They're efficient. 0:18:25.170 --> 0:18:26.490 You can do it to parents. 0:18:26.650 --> 0:18:32.010 Come on. I think he understands that the hammer could 0:18:32.050 --> 0:18:34.850 fall pretty quick if he was accusing them of committing 0:18:34.930 --> 0:18:37.590 crimes within a courtroom. Right. And so he used to 0:18:37.630 --> 0:18:39.960 keep it vague and be like, oh, the whole trial 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:41.060 was fake evidence. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:41.960 Right, right, right, right. 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:42.880 It's fucking nonsense. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.879 I do like that. I do like a good, hold on, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:46.280 hold on. 0:18:47.460 --> 0:18:49.460 This whole thing is imaginary. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:50.840 All right, all right. 0:18:51.340 --> 0:18:55.840 So Alex rants a little bit here about his forefathers 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.119 and all of these intellectuals that used to come on 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.220 his show and coached him and taught him about life. 0:19:02.660 --> 0:19:05.600 The sick, beautiful irony of this is even if you 0:19:05.619 --> 0:19:07.320 guys kill me or put me in prison or whatever 0:19:07.340 --> 0:19:09.400 you do, you can't stop a signal because now Alex 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.899 Jones is everywhere. It's like Spartacus. We're all Alex Jones now. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:12.800 Okay. 0:19:13.260 --> 0:19:16.450 And the truth is I only popularized Spartacus. what the 0:19:16.530 --> 0:19:18.520 former head of the FBI in Los Angeles taught me, 0:19:18.530 --> 0:19:20.429 what the former head of Air Force Weapons Development taught me, 0:19:20.770 --> 0:19:23.350 what my uncle, who was in Black Ops all over 0:19:23.369 --> 0:19:25.669 Central and South America, Iran, Contra, you name that, Southeast 0:19:25.710 --> 0:19:28.360 Asia before that, everything he taught me, everything that all 0:19:28.390 --> 0:19:32.120 these amazing people taught me when I was a child 0:19:32.260 --> 0:19:34.780 and a teenager and then an adult. So the truth is, 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.100 I didn't discover all this. I didn't, no. I simply 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.739 got on air when I was 19 and already had 0:19:41.790 --> 0:19:44.330 the background and then was able to get syndicated and 0:19:44.350 --> 0:19:46.670 successful by the time I was 21 And then I 0:19:46.730 --> 0:19:49.389 got to be interfaced with all the top brains. The 0:19:49.450 --> 0:19:51.930 Anthony Sutton. that ran the Frank Church Committee hearings on 0:19:51.950 --> 0:19:54.219 the deep state, all of them, the G. Edward Griffiths, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.800 the Ron Pauls, all of them, all of them, all 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.320 the inside experts from Reagan, all the head of the 0:20:00.340 --> 0:20:03.240 Department of Education, Charlotte Iserby. I got to sit there 0:20:03.300 --> 0:20:06.460 with thousands of all the best people we've got, seven 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.830 days a week, interviewing them, researching them, traveling, being sent 0:20:09.850 --> 0:20:14.449 documents by them. And that's why, that's why I've been 0:20:14.470 --> 0:20:16.610 proven right. Because all I did was take what all 0:20:16.650 --> 0:20:19.610 these people that didn't have media and were doing conferences 0:20:19.650 --> 0:20:21.750 and writing books and, you know, trying to warn people 0:20:21.790 --> 0:20:23.389 and going to Congress and trying to get them to listen. 0:20:24.390 --> 0:20:27.400 That Congressman Larry McDonald, a Democrat who was super hardcore, 0:20:27.420 --> 0:20:29.379 was going to win the presidency. So they killed his ass. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.480 You know, the John Birch Society, William F. Jasper. All 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.109 these people. So I stood on their shoulders, but I 0:20:36.150 --> 0:20:39.610 was able to take this giant brain trust and put 0:20:39.650 --> 0:20:43.109 it out in a interesting, I guess, entertaining way. I 0:20:43.130 --> 0:20:45.840 wasn't trying to, but that's just how it happened. And 0:20:45.910 --> 0:20:48.460 so none of the credit goes to me. It goes 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.800 to all the people's shoulders I stand on. But now 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.359 they were the core. I was the next big wave. 0:20:54.780 --> 0:20:56.960 Blast it out. And now this new wave is 100 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.250 times bigger. I'm getting chills. And it's just everywhere. 0:20:59.790 --> 0:21:03.500 Ooh, chills. So what about the visions from God that 0:21:03.580 --> 0:21:06.160 Alex got as a child? Like, what about his gift 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.899 of prophecy and all the dreams that tell him the future? 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.360 I get that Alex wants to make it sound like 0:21:11.380 --> 0:21:13.900 he comes from a serious line of thinkers and all that, 0:21:13.980 --> 0:21:16.320 but he just ranted for two minutes about what makes 0:21:16.340 --> 0:21:18.970 him important, and there's not a single word about God. 0:21:19.710 --> 0:21:21.850 It's almost as if he has a sense that Sean's 0:21:21.910 --> 0:21:24.170 brand is a little more in the Rogan space than 0:21:24.210 --> 0:21:26.889 the Tucker space, where it might be a little embarrassing 0:21:26.930 --> 0:21:29.650 for him to just let Alex make himself the messiah 0:21:29.750 --> 0:21:32.770 on this show... And, like, he's his trainer. They know 0:21:32.830 --> 0:21:36.000 each other. Yeah. If you were like, God chose me 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.300 as a child to lead the resistance against the devil, 0:21:39.540 --> 0:21:42.140 your trainer might be like, hey, man, what the fuck 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:42.960 are you talking about? 0:21:43.340 --> 0:21:47.380 We got three sets in of leg presses the other day. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.450 You also didn't fall to your knees and get healed 0:21:50.510 --> 0:21:51.030 by Jesus. 0:21:51.150 --> 0:21:53.850 Yeah. Come on, man. I've seen you sweat. 0:21:54.070 --> 0:21:56.869 I wonder if there was a conversation between Alex and 0:21:56.890 --> 0:21:59.010 God at some point where God was like, listen, let 0:21:59.050 --> 0:22:00.950 me get out in front of this. You're going to 0:22:00.990 --> 0:22:03.530 have to lie to people about me. You know you're 0:22:03.550 --> 0:22:05.580 not going to be able to sell my brand on 0:22:05.780 --> 0:22:09.480 other people's shows. So I give you full permission to 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.780 omit me from your list of accomplishments, even though, yes, 0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:13.680 I am God. 0:22:14.300 --> 0:22:15.860 Yeah, he's like, I'm not going to take it personally. 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:17.220 Right, right, right. I'm God. 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.699 I already planned this whole thing out. I can't be 0:22:19.740 --> 0:22:20.380 mad at you. 0:22:20.540 --> 0:22:23.090 I have to let you know in advance, it's cool. 0:22:23.220 --> 0:22:25.149 It is cool. It has to be cool, because he 0:22:25.170 --> 0:22:27.470 doesn't seem to feel any guilt about it whatsoever. 0:22:27.770 --> 0:22:30.070 No, and it seems very different than what he says 0:22:30.109 --> 0:22:31.310 in a lot of other circumstances. 0:22:31.369 --> 0:22:32.850 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:22:33.030 --> 0:22:36.190 Weird. Also, a small point. There's no way Alex had 0:22:36.230 --> 0:22:40.210 Larry McDonald on his show, because that dude died in 1983. 0:22:40.300 --> 0:22:43.420 McDonald was on a Korean Airlines flight to South Korea 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.280 that was shot down when it entered Soviet airspace. And 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.420 because he was a diehard anti-communist at John Birch Society guy, 0:22:49.780 --> 0:22:54.180 it became part of an elaborate conspiracy. Incidentally, Larry McDonald 0:22:54.330 --> 0:22:59.609 also ran his own intelligence company called Western Goals. An 0:22:59.670 --> 0:23:02.730 article about it in Politico quotes one of its former employees, 0:23:02.810 --> 0:23:06.030 Mary Jo Buckland, as saying, quote, a lot of funding 0:23:06.070 --> 0:23:09.350 came from Germany more than what came from the United States. 0:23:11.270 --> 0:23:14.090 A lot of it was kept from us. The Germans 0:23:14.150 --> 0:23:15.970 were all a lot of medals and they had a 0:23:15.990 --> 0:23:18.619 lot of money. The Germany people never came to the 0:23:18.660 --> 0:23:22.380 United States. They would fly Western goals accountant to Germany. 0:23:22.830 --> 0:23:24.449 Something didn't feel on the up and up. 0:23:24.590 --> 0:23:30.080 Hmm. Western goals. Former John Birch Society guy. 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:31.180 Germany. 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:32.919 I'm not liking it, buddy. 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:33.420 No. 0:23:33.460 --> 0:23:35.040 That triangle doesn't hunt. 0:23:35.420 --> 0:23:35.820 Yeah. 0:23:35.900 --> 0:23:38.270 Yep. So that's the people that Alex looks up to. 0:23:38.330 --> 0:23:38.750 That's great. 0:23:38.910 --> 0:23:39.350 Good stuff. 0:23:39.630 --> 0:23:39.810 Yeah. 0:23:39.950 --> 0:23:40.430 Not God. 0:23:40.690 --> 0:23:47.550 I would say 95% racist, explicit and extreme. 5% crypto racists. 0:23:47.890 --> 0:23:49.090 Still 0% God. 0:23:49.310 --> 0:23:49.609 Yeah. 0:23:49.650 --> 0:23:50.649 Crazy. Yep. 0:23:51.540 --> 0:23:55.280 So a lot of this is obviously, but Sean's not 0:23:55.359 --> 0:24:00.720 much of a spark of life. Not super entertaining. I 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:02.440 think Alex can feel it, and so he's got to 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.820 fill space. And a lot of this is just giving 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.760 him a platform to complain about the Sandy Hook stuff 0:24:07.900 --> 0:24:11.359 because the appeal to the Supreme Court just got rejected. 0:24:12.300 --> 0:24:15.620 I can't imagine they thought that you would still be 0:24:16.060 --> 0:24:18.240 standing strong after this amount of time. 0:24:18.369 --> 0:24:21.570 I'm stronger. Yeah. Because I know you're evil. I mean, 0:24:21.590 --> 0:24:23.650 I loved in Connecticut when he goes, you know about 0:24:23.670 --> 0:24:27.040 the Godfather? You know, the movie, The Mafia? I'm like, yeah, 0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.119 Mario Puzo's, you know. I'm like, that's a great story about... 0:24:31.650 --> 0:24:33.270 He was going to go speak at a college, Mario Puzo. 0:24:34.250 --> 0:24:36.060 who'd never written anything, never done anything, and he just 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:37.780 hung around as Italian in New York and actually knew 0:24:37.820 --> 0:24:39.800 all the real mobs. He put a fiction thing out 0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:41.680 on Backstreet with real people. He just changed the names. 0:24:41.740 --> 0:24:46.179 It's actually a documentary, literally. And he writes it, and 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.210 he's going to go speak at a top college on screenwriting. 0:24:49.230 --> 0:24:49.530 Top college. 0:24:49.570 --> 0:24:50.370 Not one of those lower colleges. 0:24:50.410 --> 0:24:52.090 And you can pull this up, the stories in interviews. 0:24:52.630 --> 0:24:57.850 And they say to him, they say, so they want 0:24:57.869 --> 0:25:01.280 him to go address the whole class of writers and 0:25:01.300 --> 0:25:04.050 film students, on how to screen write. So he goes 0:25:04.150 --> 0:25:06.050 to the bookstore to buy the best selling book on 0:25:06.090 --> 0:25:10.130 screen writing. And the whole thing's about the Godfather script 0:25:10.170 --> 0:25:13.100 in Mario Puzo. He didn't know that. But the funny 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.320 thing is, you know what the Godfather is, Sonny? And 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.380 I'm like, yeah, I'm like, yeah, the Mario Puzo book. 0:25:18.420 --> 0:25:20.840 And he goes, no, no, the movie. You know the Godfather, 0:25:20.900 --> 0:25:23.680 the mafia, you know what that is? And I'm like, oh, 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:25.169 do I know what it is? You know what the 0:25:25.210 --> 0:25:28.830 real mafia is, jackass? Anyways, and so called good people. 0:25:30.130 --> 0:25:32.699 You mess with long enough, you find out. But the 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:34.240 point was, he's like, well, that's who we are, and 0:25:34.260 --> 0:25:35.659 you're going to lose no matter what. So I'm going 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.680 to talk. But the point was, he's like, yeah, kid, 0:25:38.060 --> 0:25:40.740 once you learn we're thugs, once you learn we're crooks, 0:25:40.780 --> 0:25:43.400 you're going to go piss on yourself. No, it's why 0:25:43.420 --> 0:25:44.530 I'm waging war on you. 0:25:45.130 --> 0:25:45.570 I know. 0:25:47.150 --> 0:25:50.150 The idea of these people playing these fucking games. I'm 0:25:50.190 --> 0:25:52.330 coming for you. You're not coming for me. 0:25:52.350 --> 0:25:54.290 Are you, though? You understand that? 0:25:55.050 --> 0:25:56.350 I'm not locked in here with you. 0:25:56.390 --> 0:25:58.700 You're locked in here with me. 0:25:58.740 --> 0:25:59.200 Hey! 0:25:59.340 --> 0:25:59.800 Five points. 0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:01.660 I'm turning against you, and you're on the wrong side 0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:02.020 of history. 0:26:02.830 --> 0:26:03.369 Woo! 0:26:03.590 --> 0:26:03.990 They know it. 0:26:03.990 --> 0:26:06.570 You should have saved that for the end. That would 0:26:06.590 --> 0:26:08.720 have been the end right there. We still got so 0:26:08.740 --> 0:26:09.639 much farther to go here. 0:26:09.660 --> 0:26:11.379 Well, here's the thing. I haven't talked about this as 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.040 much as I should because it's just built to a 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:13.340 head now. 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:14.180 Oh, I know. 0:26:14.580 --> 0:26:14.780 I know. 0:26:14.859 --> 0:26:19.070 But, I mean, I feel great about it. because, you know, oh, God, 0:26:19.090 --> 0:26:21.919 you get a website, you shut down our building. Ooh, well, 0:26:21.940 --> 0:26:23.980 you just go work for other people. Already got my crew, 0:26:24.100 --> 0:26:26.760 new management, new everybody, and then I've just got a 0:26:26.780 --> 0:26:29.040 job there, and then they chase me around, and I 0:26:29.060 --> 0:26:32.940 don't give a shit. I'm not a high roller. So, 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:33.940 I mean, what are you going to do? 0:26:34.369 --> 0:26:37.010 So this is fun, but Alex doesn't realize what his 0:26:37.109 --> 0:26:40.230 actual appeal is. If he has to sell InfoWars and 0:26:40.250 --> 0:26:43.030 go work for somebody else, it pierces the entire premise 0:26:43.070 --> 0:26:45.090 that his career is based on, which is that he's 0:26:45.190 --> 0:26:48.290 totally free. He's his own man, and no one can 0:26:48.330 --> 0:26:50.609 tell him what to do because he runs the whole thing. 0:26:51.350 --> 0:26:53.830 If he closes up shop and goes to work for Bigley, 0:26:53.930 --> 0:26:57.909 then he can get fired. Bigley obviously supports the political 0:26:57.950 --> 0:27:01.129 ideology that he pushes, but they're first and foremost a 0:27:01.210 --> 0:27:05.300 money-making operation. They sell shit, and if he does something 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.120 that makes it impossible for them to make money selling shit... 0:27:08.290 --> 0:27:12.070 He's no longer worth employing. Alex can take on this 0:27:12.130 --> 0:27:14.440 posture that he doesn't need to be flashy and living 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:17.760 a ritzy lifestyle, and that's fair enough. I do think 0:27:17.780 --> 0:27:20.340 that he would accept a certain amount of diminished luxury 0:27:20.380 --> 0:27:23.420 and continue doing what he's doing, but this isn't about that. 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:28.670 It's about his soul and being free. At InfoWars, Alex 0:27:28.730 --> 0:27:32.590 is free because it's a one-talent business built entirely around him. 0:27:33.150 --> 0:27:35.250 If he wants to get drunk and cry about demons 0:27:35.330 --> 0:27:37.770 on his show, no one can stop him. If he 0:27:37.810 --> 0:27:40.030 wants to pretend that an Ebola outbreak is about to 0:27:40.070 --> 0:27:42.889 happen in Denver, no one can stop him. If he 0:27:42.930 --> 0:27:45.730 wants to continue to harass the Sandy Hook plaintiffs and 0:27:46.070 --> 0:27:49.169 cover new stories in ways that mirror how he behaved 0:27:49.210 --> 0:27:51.790 to get those lawsuits started in the first place, no 0:27:51.890 --> 0:27:55.810 one can stop him. But Bigley isn't a one-talent business. 0:27:56.470 --> 0:27:59.030 They may like Alex and see a profit in him, 0:27:59.490 --> 0:28:02.149 but they run stores for tons of shitheads in the 0:28:02.210 --> 0:28:06.280 right-wing media, and they don't need Alex. The audience may 0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.619 not immediately understand this, but the idea that Alex is 0:28:09.660 --> 0:28:13.180 an employee of someone else's thing will become a problem 0:28:13.220 --> 0:28:16.130 for them. In the back of their minds, the audience 0:28:16.210 --> 0:28:18.550 gets that in order for Alex to make money, he 0:28:18.609 --> 0:28:21.770 can't own any business ever again, and that makes his 0:28:21.810 --> 0:28:25.409 position vulnerable. Bigley may be better than him going to 0:28:25.450 --> 0:28:28.850 work for like Fox News, but ultimately it's not that different. 0:28:29.390 --> 0:28:31.909 He's giving up his independence and putting himself in a 0:28:31.950 --> 0:28:35.850 position where corporate interests can very easily exert pressure on 0:28:35.930 --> 0:28:39.350 his content or fire him. So all this talk about 0:28:39.450 --> 0:28:41.850 victory and all this bluster is fine. I'm sure it 0:28:41.890 --> 0:28:44.970 feels good to do these rants and talk about Mario Puzo. 0:28:45.370 --> 0:28:48.940 But underneath this, Alex almost certainly knows that it's not 0:28:49.020 --> 0:28:51.800 just a website or studio he's giving up. It's the 0:28:51.840 --> 0:28:56.220 entire idea of his career. He can't go back again. 0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.960 He's going to be in a pocket. Whoever's pocket it is, 0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:02.560 it's still a pocket. 0:29:02.780 --> 0:29:03.060 Yeah. 0:29:03.740 --> 0:29:04.080 Yeah. 0:29:04.660 --> 0:29:10.040 There's no way to... Either reveal that everybody already knew 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.719 that you were doing what you were told from, you know, 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:16.940 Trump or whatever it is, and they don't care that 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:22.150 you work for somebody else now. Or you are revealing 0:29:22.210 --> 0:29:24.630 that even though you quote unquote work for somebody else, 0:29:24.730 --> 0:29:26.610 it's a bullshit arrangement. 0:29:26.570 --> 0:29:28.570 And you should have all of your shit stolen. 0:29:28.270 --> 0:29:28.850 From you again. 0:29:29.230 --> 0:29:29.450 Right? 0:29:29.470 --> 0:29:35.340 Yeah. You're either ruthlessly independent or you're safe from the bankruptcy. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:36.120 It's one of the two. 0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:40.090 That's the whole point of being Alex Jones. is you 0:29:40.110 --> 0:29:43.490 get to pick one. There's no ambiguity. Everybody else has 0:29:43.530 --> 0:29:45.750 to live with like, oh, maybe I should do this 0:29:45.830 --> 0:29:48.690 or maybe not in this situation. Maybe I should. No, 0:29:48.890 --> 0:29:50.470 you're Alex Jones. You do the thing. 0:29:50.780 --> 0:29:53.480 Yeah, and if you're who Alex pretends to be, it's 0:29:53.500 --> 0:29:58.520 an automatic decision that you maintain your ruthless independence. 0:29:58.560 --> 0:29:58.780 Right. 0:29:59.260 --> 0:30:01.840 And the fact that he doesn't speaks to how. 0:30:01.860 --> 0:30:03.020 This is all fake to begin with. 0:30:03.860 --> 0:30:08.640 So, Sean, he's a young gun on the Rogan impersonator scene. Sure. 0:30:09.090 --> 0:30:12.850 And so he wants to ask Alex for some advice 0:30:13.250 --> 0:30:15.410 for other people in this media industry. 0:30:16.180 --> 0:30:18.610 Should I do like 20 bicep curls or 30 bicep curls? 0:30:18.650 --> 0:30:20.590 No, no, no. That's the advice that he gives Alex. 0:30:20.790 --> 0:30:21.630 Oh, okay, okay, okay. 0:30:21.650 --> 0:30:22.370 This is the other way. 0:30:22.390 --> 0:30:24.430 All right. So a lot of these. 0:30:24.490 --> 0:30:28.220 Other kind of, I guess, fringe influencers that are out there, 0:30:28.620 --> 0:30:33.739 quote unquote fringe, what are some like warnings you would 0:30:33.780 --> 0:30:35.680 give to them based off of what you've had to 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:36.080 live through? 0:30:38.810 --> 0:30:44.100 I never put out sensational stuff for attention. I genuinely, 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.020 and I've been wrong some and gotten things wrong and 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:51.180 people on it were wrong, but never intentionally. I see 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.900 a lot of people just jumping on bandwagons because the 0:30:53.940 --> 0:30:55.860 public has woken up to they're being lied to, but 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:57.860 they haven't woken up to exactly what's going on. So 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:00.320 just because you got the general public that wasn't awake yet, 0:31:00.340 --> 0:31:01.880 it's kind of like there's a fire alarm. You wake up, 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.120 you don't know where the fire is. You're kind of 0:31:03.140 --> 0:31:05.080 like in the dark. So you got to flip the 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.500 light on and get your bearings. So we have the 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.630 Great Awakening happening. It's part of the fourth turning. It 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:13.610 was predicted decades ago. It's here. But you've got a 0:31:13.650 --> 0:31:16.270 lot of people now that don't have enough depth or 0:31:16.330 --> 0:31:21.930 sophistication or context. And I, and I see what they're doing. Um, 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:26.300 and they will just jump on things just because they 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:31.200 know it's clickbait. And whereas the globalists lie to see 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:35.260 for their power and control, there's an organization to that. 0:31:35.740 --> 0:31:38.080 And it's, it's still very destructive, but because they've been 0:31:38.100 --> 0:31:42.590 proven to be liars now, um, Hillary Clinton could walk 0:31:42.650 --> 0:31:44.870 out in a blue sky day and say the sky 0:31:44.910 --> 0:31:48.030 is blue and people wouldn't believe her. And so then 0:31:48.050 --> 0:31:50.990 there's also a danger that people then think everything's a lie. 0:31:51.420 --> 0:31:54.640 Everything's a conspiracy. Everything's a scam. And then I get 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.140 to hear, oh, you're the guy who thinks the earth's 0:31:56.180 --> 0:31:58.720 flat or you're the guy that thinks reptoids really run things. 0:31:58.780 --> 0:31:59.920 I'm like, no, that's somebody else. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.100 No, no, no, no, no. Alex doesn't believe in reptoids 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:06.250 or flat earth. Those are just the things his friends believe, 0:32:06.430 --> 0:32:09.760 and he does clickbait interviews with them about those things. Right. 0:32:10.260 --> 0:32:12.600 And how dare people try to associate Alex with such 0:32:12.740 --> 0:32:17.460 silly ideas? He only covers the real, hard-hitting, not-disputable facts, 0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.690 like how God gave him 200 prophetic dreams about Gene 0:32:20.710 --> 0:32:23.030 Hackman in the year before his death, and Alex just 0:32:23.090 --> 0:32:24.590 ignored them for some reason. 0:32:24.670 --> 0:32:24.890 Yeah. 0:32:25.130 --> 0:32:27.130 Or how God tells Alex what time it is in 0:32:27.150 --> 0:32:28.660 the middle of the night so he can prove that 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.140 it's God talking when he tells Alex that he needs 0:32:31.180 --> 0:32:32.800 to slow down on the booze. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.280 And also that it's okay he doesn't tell people about God. 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:39.600 Yeah. Alex absolutely lies and does clickbait on purpose, but 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.430 I think that he doesn't even register it like that. 0:32:42.530 --> 0:32:42.690 No. 0:32:43.030 --> 0:32:45.430 I think he just doesn't care what's true or not. 0:32:45.830 --> 0:32:48.710 He's not lying to the audience because truth is irrelevant 0:32:48.750 --> 0:32:51.150 to how a headline can be used. in order to 0:32:51.210 --> 0:32:54.110 push what he thinks is a larger, more important truth, 0:32:54.430 --> 0:32:56.430 which is that white Christian men should hold all the 0:32:56.470 --> 0:32:59.150 power in society. And so I think in service of 0:32:59.210 --> 0:33:04.120 that larger truth, he allows himself to lie or imagines 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:05.960 that God has given him permission. 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.560 Yeah, I would say that whenever he says those types 0:33:09.620 --> 0:33:12.240 of things, I think he's more meaning it in like 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.520 a this is a successful decision or a failure decision 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.680 based upon how much money or influence I received from it. 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:19.260 Right. 0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.020 So, yeah, I've gotten some things wrong because people got 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.780 mad at me and didn't give me more stuff afterwards. 0:33:25.000 --> 0:33:25.220 Yeah. 0:33:25.260 --> 0:33:27.220 But all the things that I'm right. Ninety nine percent 0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.040 of the time. Look, I'm rich. 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.140 Yeah. I think that there is like I think there's 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.690 an irrefutable argument that comes down like this. He's the 0:33:36.750 --> 0:33:39.190 stupidest motherfucker in media. 0:33:39.330 --> 0:33:39.530 Yeah. 0:33:39.570 --> 0:33:43.130 He's been wrong about almost everything fairly constantly. 0:33:43.190 --> 0:33:43.350 Yep. 0:33:43.950 --> 0:33:45.890 And he is still here. 0:33:46.110 --> 0:33:46.310 Yeah. 0:33:46.570 --> 0:33:49.170 In this place where people are willing to take him seriously. 0:33:49.260 --> 0:33:49.880 Jesus Christ. 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:55.040 And that is a success in a way. I agree. Yeah. 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:55.560 I agree. 0:33:56.840 --> 0:33:59.380 It has nothing to do with truth or falsity, but. 0:33:59.660 --> 0:34:05.660 There's an achievement somewhere. Or I guess like... I mean, 0:34:05.700 --> 0:34:09.160 it's not really an achievement for water to fill the 0:34:09.280 --> 0:34:12.549 open space, right? Like if there's, if you pour water, 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.469 it's going to fill up the open space. So I, 0:34:15.590 --> 0:34:18.549 maybe he's just a fucking bowl of water that got 0:34:18.590 --> 0:34:20.989 poured in the right area. And he's just, that's where 0:34:21.030 --> 0:34:22.330 he's going to be, you know? 0:34:22.350 --> 0:34:25.430 Yeah. And, uh, people didn't do a good enough job 0:34:25.550 --> 0:34:29.049 of setting up whatever sand bags would be needed to 0:34:29.110 --> 0:34:30.610 stop this flooding or whatever. 0:34:30.690 --> 0:34:31.650 Fucking Katrina. 0:34:31.770 --> 0:34:31.989 Yeah. 0:34:32.130 --> 0:34:32.740 That's what it is. 0:34:33.230 --> 0:34:37.280 So Alex talks about some good stuff that Trump's doing. Yeah. 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:39.600 Which is surprising because there's a lot of really bad 0:34:39.660 --> 0:34:41.580 stuff that he seems to be ignoring. 0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:41.670 Hmm. 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.200 We have to get engaged, and we have to be 0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:45.390 in charge by leadership. 0:34:45.410 --> 0:34:45.640 I do. 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.150 Not by deception, not by theft, not by lies, but 0:34:48.210 --> 0:34:50.790 by election and by example and by quality, whether it's 0:34:50.810 --> 0:34:53.469 in businesses, corporations. Everything is a vote in this world. 0:34:54.150 --> 0:34:55.750 And we have to hang our shingle out, and we 0:34:55.770 --> 0:34:58.430 have to advertise that we are superior to these globalists, 0:34:58.690 --> 0:35:01.589 and we want prosperity and goodwill. And Trump definitely wants that. 0:35:01.630 --> 0:35:03.350 He's definitely for a renaissance. I mean, you saw what 0:35:03.370 --> 0:35:05.450 he did two weeks ago. He pressured Saudi Arabia to 0:35:05.469 --> 0:35:10.040 basically double oil output. No one's ever done that. Now think, people. 0:35:11.489 --> 0:35:13.390 He's got us as the number one producer in the world. 0:35:14.050 --> 0:35:15.989 We were number three under Obama. He cut it off. 0:35:16.489 --> 0:35:20.830 Cranks us up to number one, beating Saudi Arabia. And 0:35:21.070 --> 0:35:23.810 then Biden comes in and prices double, which is the 0:35:23.989 --> 0:35:28.069 ultimate tax on people's energy costs. And then Trump skyrockets 0:35:28.110 --> 0:35:29.650 it back in just a few months to number one 0:35:29.670 --> 0:35:33.009 producer again. And then he tells U.S. oil companies, I 0:35:33.050 --> 0:35:35.370 want you to work even harder to cut prices. And 0:35:35.390 --> 0:35:37.009 then he goes to Saudi Arabia and says, I want 0:35:37.030 --> 0:35:38.690 to help the whole world. So even though this is 0:35:38.710 --> 0:35:42.590 going to hurt U.S. oil producers— the whole world's connected, 0:35:42.610 --> 0:35:44.270 which is true. I want to lower energy prices for 0:35:44.370 --> 0:35:46.890 everybody because this is a global problem, and my economist 0:35:46.950 --> 0:35:48.900 explained that to him. He already knew it. So he 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.400 got the Saudis. Actually, you're right. Remember, they collapsed and 0:35:51.420 --> 0:35:53.660 were screwed. So they did the biggest increase in oil 0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:57.140 production ever. Now, that is how you fight inflation, okay, 0:35:57.580 --> 0:35:58.580 is the base level. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.779 So the Saudi government did agree to increase their oil 0:36:01.820 --> 0:36:04.660 production in the last months of 2025, but part of 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.640 that agreement was also to not increase in the first 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:08.110 quarter of 2026. 0:36:08.110 --> 0:36:08.220 Right. 0:36:09.590 --> 0:36:11.190 A lot of this does have the optics of a 0:36:11.210 --> 0:36:13.850 win for Trump, but the larger picture here is that 0:36:14.050 --> 0:36:18.040 OPEC understands that Russian oil companies are under sanctions. So 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.640 raising production is a move that's designed not necessarily to 0:36:21.739 --> 0:36:25.540 lower prices, but to be more stabilizing on the supply 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.210 end of the supply and demand. A lot of experts 0:36:29.270 --> 0:36:31.650 view it as a kind of risky move, but one 0:36:31.690 --> 0:36:35.250 that's not very surprising. More to the point, though, shouldn't 0:36:35.410 --> 0:36:38.210 Alex think this is the government getting involved in price 0:36:38.270 --> 0:36:42.210 fixing for commodities? I feel like everything about his political 0:36:42.290 --> 0:36:45.570 ideology should be against the federal government getting another country 0:36:45.630 --> 0:36:48.910 to change its energy policy in order to manipulate prices. 0:36:49.450 --> 0:36:54.230 This isn't the free market that Alex loves and yells 0:36:54.290 --> 0:36:58.550 about being so important all the time. Trump is... very 0:36:58.610 --> 0:36:59.770 manipulating here. 0:36:59.630 --> 0:37:02.950 Yeah with these types of things it is it's when 0:37:03.010 --> 0:37:06.460 you know that you're so starved for a victory that 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.299 what is actually a huge horrible loss because in the 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:13.819 moment seems like you've you've got a big fist up 0:37:13.860 --> 0:37:16.319 in the air you call it a victory anyways like 0:37:16.340 --> 0:37:19.609 there's no situation where in the long term Trump has 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:22.730 done the country good you know like this is just 0:37:22.770 --> 0:37:24.750 a couple of days for him to go well look 0:37:24.770 --> 0:37:26.510 at how great I am and then we move on. 0:37:26.390 --> 0:37:32.170 With getting shittier Yeah, it's a little blip of, hey, hurrah, 0:37:32.370 --> 0:37:35.370 but I don't know if it's as impactful as Alex 0:37:35.390 --> 0:37:38.169 wants it to be. But you're right, it's because all 0:37:38.210 --> 0:37:40.570 the other surrounding stories are like, what the fuck? 0:37:40.890 --> 0:37:44.840 Yeah, I mean, it is wild to consider that part 0:37:44.980 --> 0:37:49.480 of the decision making for a government like the United 0:37:49.540 --> 0:37:53.140 States is includes, what can I make us look good 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:54.660 about tomorrow on the paper? 0:37:54.820 --> 0:37:57.960 Half of these fucking people who are in prominent positions 0:37:58.120 --> 0:37:59.100 are media figures. 0:37:59.180 --> 0:37:59.399 Right? 0:37:59.420 --> 0:38:00.120 So, of course. 0:38:00.260 --> 0:38:03.290 It doesn't mean anything like, oh, do people get to 0:38:03.350 --> 0:38:05.550 have more roads? I don't care. 0:38:05.890 --> 0:38:07.629 That's six months from now. 0:38:07.850 --> 0:38:10.650 Yeah, and who cares about roads? All that's important is 0:38:10.830 --> 0:38:14.109 whatever I can say in a media hit about roads. 0:38:14.230 --> 0:38:17.489 Exactly. I've got a promise for a thousand roads. 0:38:17.710 --> 0:38:21.339 Great. Cool. Great. So Alex talks about how he would 0:38:21.380 --> 0:38:23.910 do this for free. He loves it. He loves the fight. 0:38:24.030 --> 0:38:24.359 I bet. 0:38:24.450 --> 0:38:29.350 And they got a non-dischargeable debt, which means even with bankruptcy, 0:38:32.270 --> 0:38:34.469 it never goes away. So to them, it's just a 0:38:34.489 --> 0:38:36.370 way to harass me and stalk me and have me 0:38:36.390 --> 0:38:39.770 be a hunted man and come after me. And they 0:38:39.810 --> 0:38:44.980 somehow think that means anything to me because it doesn't. 0:38:45.060 --> 0:38:47.969 I mean, I will live under a bridge. I mean, 0:38:48.030 --> 0:38:49.970 I will live on the roof of the new studio 0:38:49.989 --> 0:38:53.910 they're building. I'll live, seriously, I'll live on a couch. 0:38:54.730 --> 0:38:57.110 In fact, I'll do it for free. I'll do this 0:38:57.130 --> 0:39:00.350 for free. And there could be a charity, and I 0:39:00.370 --> 0:39:03.069 just give them my food. I literally don't give a shit. So, 0:39:03.590 --> 0:39:04.830 I mean, they can put a gun to my head, 0:39:04.930 --> 0:39:06.950 I'm not going to stop. They think this does anything 0:39:06.969 --> 0:39:07.130 to me? 0:39:07.630 --> 0:39:10.549 So Alex, in 1999, might have been willing to do 0:39:10.590 --> 0:39:12.569 this shit for free and live under a bridge. But 0:39:12.630 --> 0:39:13.750 hearing him say this in 2025 is a little much. 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.319 It's important to understand that the reason that he set 0:39:18.380 --> 0:39:21.360 up these fake companies like Dr. Jones Naturals and the 0:39:21.450 --> 0:39:23.890 Alex Jones Network are to make sure that he can 0:39:23.969 --> 0:39:27.790 still profit from his very easy job. If he really 0:39:27.850 --> 0:39:30.049 didn't care about being poor or living under a bridge... 0:39:30.370 --> 0:39:33.310 then he wouldn't be doing everything he can to protect 0:39:33.330 --> 0:39:36.589 his assets and wealth from the bankruptcy up to and 0:39:36.660 --> 0:39:38.520 including giving away his autonomy. 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:38.759 Yeah. 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:40.899 Alex can say that he would do this for free 0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:42.480 and that he would live under a bridge if it 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.290 meant that he could get the truth out. But his 0:39:44.510 --> 0:39:47.009 actions are all in service of making sure that he's 0:39:47.150 --> 0:39:49.730 able to maintain his wealth and doesn't have to resort 0:39:49.770 --> 0:39:52.549 to some kind of harder job than being a guy 0:39:52.610 --> 0:39:56.450 who yells and makes shit up to piss people off. So, 0:39:56.989 --> 0:39:59.850 I don't know. I find it unconvincing. 0:39:59.870 --> 0:40:04.560 You know, I guess it is technically true that you 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:08.620 could say, right, I would live under a bridge. I'd 0:40:08.660 --> 0:40:12.990 do this for free. As long as you keep in parentheses, 0:40:13.670 --> 0:40:17.570 so long as I have exhausted every available fucking option 0:40:17.630 --> 0:40:20.750 to not do that, I will then do that, yes. 0:40:21.070 --> 0:40:25.259 But I will do every single thing, including die, before 0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:25.680 I do that. 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.060 So would I really do that? 0:40:27.180 --> 0:40:31.960 Right, and I'm pretending that I so committed to the 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.719 fight and being this person that I am, that I 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:40.940 would suffer living under a bridge in order to stay that. 0:40:41.860 --> 0:40:45.830 And unfortunately, all of Alex's actions are like, okay, I'll 0:40:45.910 --> 0:40:48.190 give up on being that kind of a guy if 0:40:48.250 --> 0:40:49.410 I don't have to live under a bridge. 0:40:49.450 --> 0:40:49.589 Yeah. 0:40:49.950 --> 0:40:50.989 Yeah, absolutely. 0:40:51.030 --> 0:40:52.730 So it's kind of the opposite. 0:40:52.950 --> 0:40:57.250 Every temptation to give up a piece of his integrity 0:40:57.710 --> 0:41:00.040 was taken. That's why we have none left. 0:41:01.500 --> 0:41:03.160 So go under that bridge, asshole. 0:41:03.340 --> 0:41:03.739 Good luck. 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:07.090 I think his riddles would be bad. If he was 0:41:07.150 --> 0:41:07.609 a bridge troll. 0:41:07.630 --> 0:41:10.009 Well, I mean, that's a good question. Would they be 0:41:10.190 --> 0:41:13.700 harder to answer because they would be more incomprehensible? Or 0:41:13.739 --> 0:41:15.819 would they be easier to answer because they would be 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:17.779 as easy to understand as he could? 0:41:18.140 --> 0:41:20.940 I think they would be half and half. You think 0:41:20.980 --> 0:41:23.460 half and half? Some would be so fucking easy. 0:41:23.540 --> 0:41:23.719 Right. 0:41:23.739 --> 0:41:27.350 Like, I open a door. What am I? Right. Like, 0:41:27.370 --> 0:41:28.170 you're a fucking knob. 0:41:28.250 --> 0:41:28.870 Right, right, right. 0:41:28.890 --> 0:41:30.350 Or like a key or whatever. You're like, it'd be 0:41:30.370 --> 0:41:30.770 so easy. 0:41:30.790 --> 0:41:31.370 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:41:31.469 --> 0:41:35.520 And then others would just be like... using concepts no 0:41:35.580 --> 0:41:37.839 one's ever heard of. And like, this is, there's no 0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:38.919 way I could guess this. 0:41:39.219 --> 0:41:41.280 Two men go down the road, the sky is green, 0:41:41.340 --> 0:41:42.120 what is your name? 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.900 Uh, uh, uh, uh, Fred. 0:41:44.940 --> 0:41:45.200 Dead. 0:41:45.700 --> 0:41:49.770 Ah, shit, it rhymes with Fred. Yeah, I think they're 0:41:49.850 --> 0:41:50.469 half and half. 0:41:50.590 --> 0:41:51.169 Yeah, okay. 0:41:51.739 --> 0:41:56.200 So, Sean asks Alex, like, hey, you're going out of business. 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:57.580 How do you feel about that? 0:41:57.660 --> 0:41:58.660 How do you feel about that? 0:41:58.680 --> 0:41:59.759 He feels great. Does he? 0:41:59.940 --> 0:42:02.219 How do you feel about this? We'll probably be shut 0:42:02.260 --> 0:42:04.839 down within about three weeks. This next chapter in your life. Okay, 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.049 they shut you down in the next three weeks. I mean, 0:42:07.070 --> 0:42:08.110 I told you we're going to do it. 0:42:08.130 --> 0:42:08.630 No, I know. 0:42:08.750 --> 0:42:09.430 I said I feel great. 0:42:09.450 --> 0:42:11.110 Well, you tell them what I said. Through the audience, yeah. Well, 0:42:11.130 --> 0:42:12.529 you tell them what I said. Well, I want you 0:42:12.570 --> 0:42:13.450 to tell them. 0:42:13.530 --> 0:42:16.770 I want you to tell the audience, like, you're literally 0:42:16.810 --> 0:42:18.310 turning the page in fours. 0:42:18.830 --> 0:42:18.989 Done. 0:42:19.010 --> 0:42:19.090 Done. 0:42:19.489 --> 0:42:21.029 Moving over to AJ. 0:42:21.070 --> 0:42:21.469 Live, right? 0:42:21.489 --> 0:42:24.069 Well, here's the deal. It'll make the term InfoWarp, it's 0:42:24.090 --> 0:42:26.270 just generic, bigger than ever. No, I understand. They'll have 0:42:26.310 --> 0:42:30.310 a website, but no, Alex Jones Network. But I'm talking 0:42:30.350 --> 0:42:30.689 to you. 0:42:31.090 --> 0:42:33.910 Like, how do you feel closing a chapter, a really 0:42:33.930 --> 0:42:36.299 long chapter in your life, and moving to the future? 0:42:37.050 --> 0:42:39.980 Are you feeling reinvigorated? I feel great. Is this, because 0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:42.900 it's obviously something you were trying everything to avoid, and 0:42:42.940 --> 0:42:45.339 now it's here. Well, I pledged to do it, and 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:46.920 they want the name to misrepresent and act like they're 0:42:46.940 --> 0:42:48.660 me and a bunch of other harassment, which is fine. 0:42:49.110 --> 0:42:50.650 And when I say I'm going to fight and support 0:42:50.690 --> 0:42:54.029 the Listers, they buy so much product at TheOceanSport.com and 0:42:54.050 --> 0:42:57.290 support us that I was 100% not pulling punches. I 0:42:57.310 --> 0:42:59.589 was fighting as hard as I could. But then there's 0:42:59.650 --> 0:43:01.470 something when you know you've been in a rigged game 0:43:01.510 --> 0:43:03.570 like the movie Gladiator, but you still get them at 0:43:03.590 --> 0:43:06.470 the end. This is their defeat, and we're only going 0:43:06.489 --> 0:43:08.489 to get bigger out of this. And now they can 0:43:08.530 --> 0:43:10.920 target me all day instead of targeting my organization, trying 0:43:10.940 --> 0:43:12.960 to shut it down. Now I'll work for other people. 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.300 And then now the money can go not to legal 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:18.640 most of it, but to new crew and more hosts 0:43:18.700 --> 0:43:20.700 and going like basically 24 hours a day, at least 0:43:20.700 --> 0:43:24.219 20 hours a day. So, yeah, I'm excited in that 0:43:24.820 --> 0:43:26.569 I fought the fight, left it all in the field, 0:43:27.450 --> 0:43:31.550 exposed them, won the court of public opinion, and now 0:43:33.010 --> 0:43:35.770 they basically, I got a tug of war. I think 0:43:35.790 --> 0:43:37.210 they pulled something out of my mouth and are running 0:43:37.230 --> 0:43:38.350 away with it. They don't know it's a lit stick 0:43:38.370 --> 0:43:41.230 of dynamite. To paraphrase. Is that a tug of war? 0:43:41.270 --> 0:43:43.350 It's kind of like Wile E. Coyote thinks he's going 0:43:43.370 --> 0:43:44.530 to get the Roadrunner. It's the opposite. 0:43:44.690 --> 0:43:46.590 Yeah, to paraphrase a cartoon. Yeah. 0:43:46.910 --> 0:43:50.589 Okay. All right. So, like, this whole thing that we've 0:43:50.630 --> 0:43:52.100 been through is a lot like Wile E. 0:43:52.110 --> 0:43:52.950 Coyote. 0:43:53.350 --> 0:43:56.530 Not a horrible tragedy that we have existed in for 0:43:56.750 --> 0:43:58.430 fucking ever. Oh, okay. 0:43:59.630 --> 0:44:03.320 I don't think that Sean seems convinced by Alex's answer. 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:06.399 I think that there is an internality that he'd like 0:44:06.460 --> 0:44:10.710 to discuss with of how is this affecting you, this 0:44:10.790 --> 0:44:13.890 change of era in your career, and Alex is just 0:44:14.090 --> 0:44:15.549 unwilling to give him an inch. 0:44:15.930 --> 0:44:20.550 I appreciate this because this is unexpected for this guy. 0:44:21.330 --> 0:44:25.029 He is a personal trainer, and somehow he's like, you 0:44:25.090 --> 0:44:30.420 are very shallow in an emotional sense. I would like 0:44:30.460 --> 0:44:32.960 you to open up and reveal more to me. I'm 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:33.860 a sensitive soul. 0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.859 Well, maybe like some of the things you say when 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:41.080 we're exercising or hiking, maybe there's something that you've let 0:44:41.100 --> 0:44:43.730 me in on and you are not giving any of it. 0:44:43.820 --> 0:44:45.469 Do you cry a lot when you work out? 0:44:45.550 --> 0:44:47.530 Is that what we're really finding out? 0:44:47.690 --> 0:44:49.770 That would be great. That would be great if there 0:44:49.810 --> 0:44:52.120 was just an intro to this interview. All right, I 0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:53.620 just need you to know Alex cries a lot. 0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:57.140 He cries every time we do fucking lat workouts. 0:44:57.430 --> 0:45:00.090 It's crazy. So instead of crying, they laugh. 0:45:00.370 --> 0:45:00.529 Oh. 0:45:00.950 --> 0:45:05.459 And they laugh a little bit here reflecting on Alex's depositions. Okay. 0:45:05.739 --> 0:45:07.140 In the Sandy Hook case. Fun stuff. 0:45:07.770 --> 0:45:11.670 It feels good because men are supposed to crush tyranny. 0:45:11.969 --> 0:45:15.110 We're supposed to crush scum. And that's what we're supposed 0:45:15.150 --> 0:45:16.509 to do. And it feels good to be doing what 0:45:16.530 --> 0:45:18.920 I'm supposed to do. It just feels good. Like a 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:25.000 mountain morning or a beautiful sunset. Or your toddler running 0:45:25.020 --> 0:45:27.830 around the backyard playing with bubbles or whatever. It just 0:45:27.989 --> 0:45:34.250 feels like what you're supposed to do. Just smash. That's 0:45:34.270 --> 0:45:35.569 when they asked me on the stand of the show trial, 0:45:35.590 --> 0:45:38.359 they go, is always being accurate and telling the truth 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:43.419 your number one mission? I said, no, crushing globalists. Because 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:44.399 they were going to come out. 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:44.640 With, oh. 0:45:44.660 --> 0:45:47.660 This is such a legendary situation. It's funny. Remember, they go, 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.509 you claim high-powering politicians are smuggling and trafficking children. 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:52.630 How outrageous. 0:45:52.650 --> 0:45:53.930 Tell us about that. I go, you mean like the 0:45:53.950 --> 0:45:59.030 Clintons and Epstein? It's like, they just walk into this stuff, 0:45:59.070 --> 0:45:59.230 you know. 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.560 I think at this point, it would probably be best 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.569 for Alex to not even bring up Epstein anymore. His 0:46:04.650 --> 0:46:07.529 actions have thoroughly demonstrated to anyone paying attention that he 0:46:07.590 --> 0:46:10.410 does not care about the actual crimes that were committed, 0:46:10.450 --> 0:46:12.210 and it's all just a prop that he uses to 0:46:12.270 --> 0:46:15.290 attack his enemies, so the less attention brought to it now, 0:46:15.390 --> 0:46:18.319 the better. He's taking a victory lap for bringing up 0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:21.239 Clinton and Epstein in his deposition many years ago, but 0:46:21.300 --> 0:46:24.580 seems uninterested in holding Trump in any way accountable for 0:46:24.620 --> 0:46:26.980 the very obvious connections that he has with the guy. 0:46:27.700 --> 0:46:29.980 By continuing to pretend to care about this when it 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.620 involves Clinton, but giving Trump a full pass on it, 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:34.900 you run the risk of the audience catching on that 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.759 you really don't care about crimes against children. You're just 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.989 happy to exploit people's revulsion about the subject for profit, 0:46:41.300 --> 0:46:43.410 and you kind of look like a real asshole. 0:46:43.530 --> 0:46:45.940 Yeah. Hey, but at least they're having fun with it. 0:46:46.010 --> 0:46:47.509 They are. You know? It's legend stuff. 0:46:47.530 --> 0:46:49.350 They're just doing laughing, you know? 0:46:49.370 --> 0:46:49.920 And I. 0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:57.390 I don't think it's fair, personally, to be Alex Jones 0:46:58.450 --> 0:47:08.780 having gone through the verbal lashings, the exsanguination via word 0:47:09.700 --> 0:47:12.700 that he's gone through to then be like, these stupid guys, 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:17.029 here's how I zinged them. Here's how I zinged them. 0:47:17.180 --> 0:47:20.170 I can't imagine... Some of those places that I remember 0:47:20.210 --> 0:47:23.129 doing in stand-up, if a guy went home after that 0:47:23.190 --> 0:47:25.950 night and told his wife, I got him. I would 0:47:26.010 --> 0:47:27.469 want to have witnesses. 0:47:27.530 --> 0:47:28.690 I want audio. 0:47:28.770 --> 0:47:31.660 I want cameras. You did not get me, my friend. 0:47:31.820 --> 0:47:38.980 Also, I recall that, like, the deposition when Alex brought up, like, Epstein. 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.430 Mark was like, we will get back to that. Yeah, exactly. 0:47:43.450 --> 0:47:43.910 I promise you. 0:47:44.070 --> 0:47:46.970 Absolutely. We will be coming. Don't you worry. 0:47:47.510 --> 0:47:49.509 No, we'll cover this topic a little bit later, but 0:47:49.570 --> 0:47:50.680 answer the question that's in front of me. 0:47:50.690 --> 0:47:51.569 Yeah, absolutely. 0:47:51.630 --> 0:47:55.299 It was not like, hey, don't talk about this. Oh, 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:56.819 my God, I have been dunked upon. 0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:01.060 If you paid somebody 30 grand because people made fun 0:48:01.100 --> 0:48:03.060 of you too much, you don't get to talk about 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:04.300 how you zinged the lawyers. 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.460 Yeah, I think that's... You should reflect. 0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:06.680 Yeah. 0:48:07.260 --> 0:48:11.520 So this is one part of Alex's... I think there's 0:48:11.560 --> 0:48:14.259 a media push. This is definitely something that was in 0:48:14.300 --> 0:48:19.480 his Tucker interview too. This idea of focusing on Todd Blanche. 0:48:20.260 --> 0:48:21.480 He's the evil guy. 0:48:21.500 --> 0:48:22.160 He's the bad guy. 0:48:22.520 --> 0:48:24.680 Right. Ed Martin was trying to get Alex. 0:48:26.750 --> 0:48:30.070 The DOJ to help him go after the Sandy Hook plaintiffs. 0:48:30.290 --> 0:48:32.450 Cause fuck it. And then Todd Blanche was like, shut 0:48:32.489 --> 0:48:33.899 it down. You are not doing this. 0:48:33.980 --> 0:48:35.200 We're not that crazy. 0:48:35.260 --> 0:48:36.120 Are we that crazy? 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.320 So now Alex is on the war path against Todd Blanche. 0:48:40.100 --> 0:48:43.509 He was against letting out J Sixers. These guys are 0:48:43.650 --> 0:48:45.840 foaming at the mouth. And you believe it? 0:48:45.900 --> 0:48:50.100 Elitist leftists. Oh, Alex Jones is French, a horrible person. 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:55.480 We don't protect him. Oh, little peasant down there. I mean, 0:48:55.540 --> 0:48:59.850 it's disgusting. So listen, it's not about me. 0:49:01.150 --> 0:49:04.690 Okay. It's that obviously Todd Blanchard wants to protect the 0:49:04.770 --> 0:49:06.690 FBI and DOJ because they ran this illegal crap against me. 0:49:07.210 --> 0:49:09.700 It's cover your ass time. And I waited a week. 0:49:09.739 --> 0:49:11.200 I said, well, they're just doing that to cover my ass. 0:49:11.630 --> 0:49:14.299 Let me see if he talks smack. Oh, he talks smack, 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.379 which is good because I already knew what he was. 0:49:16.900 --> 0:49:18.969 And I'm like, good. You just for everybody just came 0:49:19.030 --> 0:49:20.610 out and said Alex Jones. is scum. 0:49:20.989 --> 0:49:21.770 Good! 0:49:22.690 --> 0:49:23.230 Good! 0:49:23.710 --> 0:49:26.110 We already knew that. We already knew what you thought. 0:49:26.260 --> 0:49:28.920 You just told us who you are. Thanks for the confession, 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:33.299 buddy boy. So, you'll stack yourself up against me with 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.719 the general public, and now everybody's investigating you, and all 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:37.640 the stuff's going to come. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:38.620 Out, and. 0:49:39.960 --> 0:49:41.440 We're going to get rid of you up there. We're 0:49:41.460 --> 0:49:43.500 going to get better people in. And if they don't 0:49:43.540 --> 0:49:45.359 toe the line for the truth, we'll get rid of them, too. 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.360 It's called public pressure. You're like, oh, God, he's dangerous. 0:49:48.380 --> 0:49:50.970 He can indict you. They've already tried a whole bunch. Whatever. 0:49:51.130 --> 0:49:54.110 I've always been an active guy. Training, pushing myself. 0:49:54.770 --> 0:49:57.069 But once I learned how caffeine forces your body into 0:49:57.110 --> 0:49:59.390 that fight or flight mode, I realized it was wrecking 0:49:59.430 --> 0:50:02.219 my recovery. I'd get the boost, but I couldn't really rest. 0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:04.540 That's when I came across methylene bloom. 0:50:05.989 --> 0:50:10.939 Obviously, I'm someone who's fairly opposed to advertising in most 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:12.839 of its forms. Pretty much all of them. Pretty much 0:50:12.860 --> 0:50:15.860 all of them. I will be against. I'm not interested 0:50:15.900 --> 0:50:19.710 in it. I don't expect the rest of the world 0:50:19.969 --> 0:50:23.790 to follow exactly the standards that I would set for 0:50:23.830 --> 0:50:30.100 myself and my behavior. I think that... This is embarrassing. 0:50:31.020 --> 0:50:33.550 If you must do an ad, do an ad. Sure. 0:50:33.820 --> 0:50:36.410 Don't do it like this. Don't edit it like this. 0:50:36.850 --> 0:50:40.750 Find a natural point in the episode to just like, okay, 0:50:41.030 --> 0:50:44.739 here is where the subject changes. We can insert the 0:50:45.840 --> 0:50:50.259 commercial there. This and Tucker, it's disrespectful. 0:50:50.739 --> 0:50:54.100 Yeah, I will say this. I think what happens with 0:50:54.140 --> 0:50:58.009 these things now, all right, is I've heard of a 0:50:58.070 --> 0:51:01.390 few companies that have like an automated, we insert the 0:51:01.410 --> 0:51:01.710 ad thing. 0:51:01.730 --> 0:51:02.190 I'm sure. 0:51:02.270 --> 0:51:02.930 You know what I'm saying? 0:51:02.989 --> 0:51:03.290 I'm sure. 0:51:03.330 --> 0:51:05.630 So they probably don't even listen to the show. It's 0:51:05.670 --> 0:51:09.770 just like at minute blank second, this ad goes in. 0:51:09.910 --> 0:51:13.170 Yeah. It's automatic. And I think that that is wrong. 0:51:13.190 --> 0:51:13.790 Horrifying. 0:51:13.950 --> 0:51:17.450 That is maybe meaning you don't really give a shit 0:51:17.489 --> 0:51:18.350 about your show at all. 0:51:18.510 --> 0:51:22.969 Yeah, I would... And God, I mean, obviously, we don't 0:51:23.010 --> 0:51:27.440 get any ad revenue from anything, but if some platform 0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.399 was inserting commercials on our shit, I would hope someone 0:51:30.420 --> 0:51:33.300 would tell us so I could address that. I mean... 0:51:33.460 --> 0:51:37.330 If I were creating the show like this, I would 0:51:37.370 --> 0:51:41.730 feel really bad about this being the product. I understand... 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:44.469 you've got to insert the ads wherever they go. Yeah. 0:51:44.510 --> 0:51:46.130 Have a little bit of thought about it. 0:51:46.410 --> 0:51:46.649 Yeah. 0:51:46.770 --> 0:51:48.950 Like back in the day, back in the day of 0:51:49.010 --> 0:51:52.350 broadcast television, you would plan around commercial breaks. 0:51:52.410 --> 0:51:52.609 Right. 0:51:52.910 --> 0:51:53.690 And it's better. 0:51:53.830 --> 0:51:55.830 You would know way in advance. 0:51:56.010 --> 0:51:56.210 Yeah. 0:51:56.270 --> 0:52:00.700 You would have segments that were almost religiously to the second. 0:52:00.860 --> 0:52:02.160 Yes. Yeah. Yep. 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:04.380 We need to go back to broadcast TV. 0:52:04.540 --> 0:52:08.200 I mean, I don't, how do I, cause I don't 0:52:08.219 --> 0:52:11.080 want to be too much of one of those guys. 0:52:11.650 --> 0:52:15.730 but there was just a craft to making a show, man. 0:52:16.390 --> 0:52:19.250 Like if you're not interested in making a good show, 0:52:19.350 --> 0:52:21.819 if you're not even interested in asking people who make 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:25.300 good show, like, Hey, should I cut off things mid word? 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:29.080 Yeah. You know, if you, if part of your process 0:52:29.460 --> 0:52:34.380 for making a show is understanding and accepting the possibility 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:38.270 that a passionate rant that Alex is in the middle 0:52:38.390 --> 0:52:41.410 of could get cut off by a commercial, well, I 0:52:41.469 --> 0:52:42.910 think you don't care about the product. 0:52:42.950 --> 0:52:43.189 Yeah. 0:52:43.410 --> 0:52:44.810 I think you don't care about the show. 0:52:44.930 --> 0:52:48.100 How could you sell me on caring about the show? 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:48.399 Right. 0:52:48.460 --> 0:52:50.600 I don't know what word you're going to finish the 0:52:50.620 --> 0:52:51.160 sentence with. 0:52:51.180 --> 0:52:53.560 What if Alex was just about to confess to a murder? 0:52:53.660 --> 0:52:54.339 Absolutely. 0:52:54.500 --> 0:52:55.320 Oh, sorry. 0:52:55.900 --> 0:52:57.040 We got to do an ad. Sorry. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:52:59.919 Nothing we can do. It's not like this is not 0:52:59.980 --> 0:53:02.020 a live product at all and something that we can 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:03.930 edit over and over and over again. 0:53:03.969 --> 0:53:05.110 Yeah, it shows a lack of care. 0:53:05.270 --> 0:53:07.330 Yeah. Just care about making a show. 0:53:07.590 --> 0:53:10.210 Yeah, he's a personal trainer. I'm sure he cares about that. 0:53:10.310 --> 0:53:10.930 I mean, that's fair. 0:53:11.270 --> 0:53:19.480 So Sean asks Alex about Charlie Kirk's murder. Right. And Alex, unprompted, 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:23.239 I think he brings up something about Tucker Carlson that 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.520 I think is very illegal, if true. 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:28.100 What do you think about the whole Charlie situation going 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.360 on right now with all the people and all the 0:53:30.430 --> 0:53:31.870 question marks surrounding this? 0:53:32.010 --> 0:53:35.259 And a lot of people are not believing the narrative. Well, 0:53:35.300 --> 0:53:38.460 when I was up at Tucker's last Monday in Maine 0:53:38.840 --> 0:53:41.440 for his show, he was going to dinner that night. 0:53:41.460 --> 0:53:44.880 I was about to jump on a jet up from 0:53:45.680 --> 0:53:47.620 Maine over to D.C. to have dinner with the vice 0:53:47.670 --> 0:53:55.049 president and with Charlie's widow, Erica Kirk. And I was 0:53:55.090 --> 0:53:56.609 talking about all these things with him, and he said, well, 0:53:56.650 --> 0:54:00.529 the way Kash Patel and them haven't been releasing more 0:54:00.550 --> 0:54:03.850 videos and more documents and putting their narrative out, He's 0:54:03.890 --> 0:54:05.670 talked to him and Bongino, and they're like, well, we 0:54:05.690 --> 0:54:08.549 don't want to give the case up. Tucker's first job 0:54:08.570 --> 0:54:10.810 was a crime reporter. He goes, you guys always put 0:54:10.850 --> 0:54:13.380 out the narrative of what's there. That's not true. And 0:54:13.420 --> 0:54:18.739 he said, that's what's generating all of this. And, you know, 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:22.680 he literally just had... Did he tell me that? Was 0:54:22.700 --> 0:54:25.060 that off record? God, they tell so much stuff. I 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.080 better just not say it. But the point is, Tucker's 0:54:27.100 --> 0:54:30.589 dialed in everything. I mean, everything. A little more than 0:54:30.610 --> 0:54:31.069 meets the eye. 0:54:31.010 --> 0:54:31.390 With that guy. 0:54:31.410 --> 0:54:31.670 So. 0:54:33.370 --> 0:54:36.400 So he's like the secret, I mean, this is known now, 0:54:36.410 --> 0:54:38.950 but he's like the secret U.S. ambassador of the world, 0:54:38.969 --> 0:54:42.230 flies around constantly, world leaders meet with Trump messages. 0:54:42.989 --> 0:54:44.200 Oh, man, that's super illegal. 0:54:45.989 --> 0:54:49.859 I mean, I can't think of anything less legal than 0:54:50.020 --> 0:54:51.259 unofficial ambassadors. 0:54:51.460 --> 0:54:52.080 To the world. 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.100 From the president of the United States. 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.620 Right. And the sort of leaders that he seems to 0:54:56.660 --> 0:55:00.680 be sending messages to are like Putin. Yeah. I mean, listen. 0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.680 Kissinger was evil, but at least he was hired to 0:55:03.739 --> 0:55:08.830 do the evil job, right? He wasn't suddenly there. Like, oh, 0:55:08.870 --> 0:55:12.469 I'm just Kissinger. I'm just here causing hell all the way. 0:55:12.510 --> 0:55:17.390 He's in an appointed position that is theoretically like Congress 0:55:17.469 --> 0:55:18.510 can do something. 0:55:18.590 --> 0:55:18.820 Yeah. 0:55:18.989 --> 0:55:21.879 You know, it's not like we sent Dan Cortez over 0:55:21.980 --> 0:55:23.880 to negotiate with the Contras. 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:27.259 At the very least, later on, that stuff will be 0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:30.240 written down somewhere. Or there will be a recording of something. 0:55:30.260 --> 0:55:33.270 You know, something. Not just like, oh, Tucker was there. 0:55:33.430 --> 0:55:35.970 That's no good. I don't want that for history. 0:55:36.190 --> 0:55:36.410 No. 0:55:36.489 --> 0:55:40.130 And it also, like, I don't know the extent to 0:55:40.150 --> 0:55:44.220 which I believe this. But if you're someone like Alex... 0:55:44.980 --> 0:55:46.280 Who is distrustful of power. 0:55:46.380 --> 0:55:46.660 Yes. 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.840 And you have a guy who has a weird media show. Right. 0:55:52.030 --> 0:55:54.410 And he also is the ambassador to the world. Right. 0:55:54.590 --> 0:55:55.250 A lot of power. 0:55:55.270 --> 0:55:58.110 Carrying secret messages to world leaders on behalf of the 0:55:58.150 --> 0:55:59.230 president of the United States. 0:55:59.250 --> 0:56:00.049 Right, right, right, right. 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:02.220 I would, uh, I'd be careful. 0:56:02.580 --> 0:56:05.680 You know, if you, if you were carrying secret messages 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:10.140 from the president, uh, a notoriously elderly man who says 0:56:10.219 --> 0:56:12.400 and talks a lot of shit that he doesn't mean 0:56:12.780 --> 0:56:14.950 and won't take back or will take back at a 0:56:15.010 --> 0:56:17.730 moment's notice, maybe you think I could change some of 0:56:17.770 --> 0:56:19.310 the words to what I want them to be. 0:56:19.410 --> 0:56:23.109 Well, sure. That is a possibility, but I think more realistically, sure. 0:56:23.350 --> 0:56:27.310 If you're this guy, if you're Tucker and, uh, like, 0:56:27.969 --> 0:56:33.029 Alex is doing an interview on his trainers podcast where 0:56:33.070 --> 0:56:36.130 he reveals that you tell him a bunch of stuff 0:56:36.190 --> 0:56:39.359 that maybe he can't repeat publicly. Yeah. Maybe you stop 0:56:39.380 --> 0:56:40.940 telling him stuff. Yeah. 0:56:41.340 --> 0:56:43.779 I mean, on the other hand, there is a little 0:56:43.820 --> 0:56:45.680 bit of a waggle. There's a little bit of a 0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.400 dick waggle to just be like, yeah. go on your 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:51.820 trainer's podcast and say all kinds of national secrets. 0:56:52.219 --> 0:56:53.860 No one will believe you. 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:55.000 I got attacked by a demon. 0:56:55.060 --> 0:56:55.340 Right? 0:56:55.540 --> 0:56:58.739 Exactly. Believe whatever you want. You can't trust me. 0:56:59.260 --> 0:57:00.920 So all of this just has a little bit of 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:04.040 that feel of like, Alex has been seduced by the 0:57:04.100 --> 0:57:07.680 cool kid crowd. Yeah. And he doesn't even realize like 0:57:08.030 --> 0:57:11.850 how much he's unrecognizable from his past self. 0:57:12.469 --> 0:57:14.589 JD Vance is good friends with them. When I was 0:57:14.630 --> 0:57:18.120 up at TPUSA, Last year, three months before Vance was announced, 0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.240 I was back there with Vance and Kirk in the 0:57:20.280 --> 0:57:23.060 green room, and they called me in there, and I 0:57:23.100 --> 0:57:25.020 was talking to Vance, been a listener for a long time, 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:26.840 and I was like, hey, I hear you're probably, and 0:57:26.860 --> 0:57:29.110 he goes, yeah, I got it. And he didn't even say, 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.440 don't tell people, he just, yeah, I got it, it's me. 0:57:32.140 --> 0:57:33.610 I was like, wow, that's the weird thing, is they just, 0:57:34.430 --> 0:57:37.150 I'm like, I didn't ask, is that on record or 0:57:37.190 --> 0:57:40.169 off record? Someone hadn't put out and said, oh, J.D. 0:57:40.190 --> 0:57:40.830 Vance, he's got it. 0:57:41.510 --> 0:57:45.570 But, They're all buddies back there drinking ginger ale and 0:57:45.590 --> 0:57:50.130 high-fiving and watching YouTube clips and X clips of people. Like, 0:57:50.150 --> 0:57:50.600 they're like us. 0:57:50.610 --> 0:57:51.690 Then fire them! 0:57:52.590 --> 0:57:57.290 I drink beer. And so, I mean, these people are 0:57:59.110 --> 0:58:03.330 like goody two-shoes. Yeah. I mean, like, there's the rumor, oh, 0:58:03.410 --> 0:58:04.890 Don Jr. is a drug addict. 0:58:05.650 --> 0:58:05.840 No. 0:58:06.300 --> 0:58:09.280 I mean, Trump doesn't even like his kids drinking. So... 0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:14.280 The point is, is that these are, I mean, Erica 0:58:14.300 --> 0:58:17.900 Trump is an actress. Erica Trump has done thousands of 0:58:17.940 --> 0:58:20.960 these events. So when her husband gets killed, she gets 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:22.840 up and executes and does a great job for him 0:58:22.860 --> 0:58:24.640 because that's what you do in those times. 0:58:25.150 --> 0:58:28.490 It's an interesting slip that Alex calls Erica Kirk, Erica 0:58:28.550 --> 0:58:31.410 Trump twice. Yeah. Let's not think about it. 0:58:31.730 --> 0:58:33.590 I don't want to think about anything anymore. 0:58:33.610 --> 0:58:37.000 Also, I love the angle that Don Jr. can't possibly 0:58:37.020 --> 0:58:39.540 be on drugs because his dad doesn't want him to. 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:42.140 Nobody's ever made more sense to me. 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:45.600 He's 47 years old. He's not a fucking teenager. 0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:51.060 Somebody's ancient father doesn't want their middle-aged child drinking. So 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:52.200 obviously they don't. 0:58:52.340 --> 0:58:53.760 Yeah, he can't possibly. 0:58:53.900 --> 0:58:54.419 Of course not. 0:58:55.140 --> 0:58:59.850 I think that there is a weird prism of infantilism 0:59:00.490 --> 0:59:02.910 that Alex works through. 0:59:03.170 --> 0:59:06.130 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is an amount of like, 0:59:07.350 --> 0:59:09.950 if the world works like the way you think it does. 0:59:10.380 --> 0:59:13.680 it should collapse. Yet somehow, because the world works the 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.700 way it does, you're allowed to think that the world 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:19.650 works the way you think it does, and it doesn't collapse. 0:59:20.390 --> 0:59:21.669 Wild. Yep. 0:59:22.170 --> 0:59:25.270 And I think that he wants Trump to be his dad. 0:59:25.650 --> 0:59:25.730 Yeah. 0:59:25.750 --> 0:59:25.870 Yeah. 0:59:26.110 --> 0:59:30.010 And I think he projects the dadliness onto everybody else. Like, 0:59:30.050 --> 0:59:34.220 he's my dad, too, or whatever. And that's sad and gross. 0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:35.380 Yeah. 0:59:35.660 --> 0:59:37.660 But it makes sense. I mean, it runs through, like, 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:41.090 Tucker's dad's home. He's going to thank you kind of shit. 0:59:41.720 --> 0:59:45.990 I mean, we can't complain too much. Just about, I 0:59:46.010 --> 0:59:47.450 would say, maybe 75% to 80% of all great literature is. 0:59:49.890 --> 0:59:53.270 Kind of rolls around daddy issues. So, you know, what 0:59:53.290 --> 0:59:53.810 are you going to do? 0:59:53.870 --> 0:59:57.270 No, I get it. I think having issues with your 0:59:57.290 --> 1:00:00.330 parents is totally fine. I think that there's better ways 1:00:00.370 --> 1:00:03.340 to channel it than bringing back the Nazi party. 1:00:03.430 --> 1:00:03.970 Write a book. 1:00:04.140 --> 1:00:04.390 Yeah. 1:00:04.840 --> 1:00:06.800 But not one that brings back the Nazi party. Don't 1:00:06.820 --> 1:00:07.600 write Mein Kampf. 1:00:07.680 --> 1:00:07.840 No. 1:00:07.860 --> 1:00:08.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:00:09.220 --> 1:00:14.439 So, Sean brings up that, like, you know, Trump didn't, 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.700 he didn't seem all that emotional about Charlie Kirk getting killed. 1:00:17.820 --> 1:00:20.330 Because he doesn't give a shit. Well, no, no, no, no, no. 1:00:20.850 --> 1:00:20.970 Oh. 1:00:21.310 --> 1:00:22.190 Alex explained. 1:00:22.510 --> 1:00:22.670 Oh? 1:00:22.750 --> 1:00:23.930 He cried privately. 1:00:24.050 --> 1:00:25.530 Oh, of course. He did some crying privately. 1:00:25.550 --> 1:00:25.790 Of course. 1:00:25.810 --> 1:00:26.420 Well, you can't see it. 1:00:26.730 --> 1:00:29.570 So, Trump was devastated. It looked like hell. You go 1:00:29.630 --> 1:00:32.200 back up to, he was like, and then Trump gets 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:34.540 over things. They're like, oh, how are you feeling about Charlie? 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:37.970 And a week later, he's like. Well, it's okay. Look 1:00:38.010 --> 1:00:40.790 how great we're rebuilding this over here. Yeah, everybody flipped out. 1:00:41.310 --> 1:00:43.850 That's what Trump does is he moves on. He's not 1:00:43.870 --> 1:00:44.350 like a liberal. 1:00:44.370 --> 1:00:45.730 Oh, God, oh, help me. 1:00:45.750 --> 1:00:47.350 Tallest building in New York, I believe. 1:00:47.370 --> 1:00:50.610 These people cry behind the scenes. And that's just what 1:00:50.630 --> 1:00:55.120 people do. I mean, I have to tell you, the 1:00:55.180 --> 1:00:57.980 implication is, and I've heard this, and I want to 1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.260 be very clear, people have a right to say this. 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:05.260 Just like I had a right to say what I 1:01:05.300 --> 1:01:07.100 wanted about Sandy Hook, I just didn't even say the 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:09.070 things they said I said. It's the First Amendment. 1:01:10.270 --> 1:01:10.550 Okay? 1:01:13.650 --> 1:01:16.010 So what you're getting at, and let's just say it, 1:01:17.630 --> 1:01:21.550 is what now five weeks into this, what people were 1:01:21.570 --> 1:01:23.760 telling me two weeks into it, all these Green Berets, 1:01:23.820 --> 1:01:29.880 Delta Force, sniper experts, medics, unless they release the HD 1:01:29.900 --> 1:01:31.120 and we see a bunch of blood on the ground, 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.970 and I'm sure that's the case, And other stuff going 1:01:34.050 --> 1:01:38.700 on here, they're saying Charlie Kirk didn't get killed. And 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.640 that's what all this builds towards. I believe he got 1:01:42.680 --> 1:01:45.440 shot from a higher angle. I was one of the 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:47.720 first to get the information from the head of TPUSA 1:01:47.740 --> 1:01:49.280 because he put out a little bit and he called 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.310 me when I said it sounded crazy that a. 30- 06 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:52.990 didn't go through. He said, no, it came down from 1:01:53.030 --> 1:01:56.230 an angle, went down his vertebrae, bounced back up, shrapnel. 1:01:56.290 --> 1:01:58.270 That's now been said by the doctor and they say, 1:01:58.790 --> 1:02:00.090 They're going to release it at the end of the month. 1:02:00.610 --> 1:02:02.470 The autopsy, that better happen. So I'm giving them the 1:02:02.490 --> 1:02:04.250 benefit of the doubt. I don't think the doctor's lying, 1:02:04.290 --> 1:02:06.770 and I don't think Charlie Kirk's best buddy's lying. Is 1:02:06.810 --> 1:02:09.970 he still alive, though? But people have a right to 1:02:10.010 --> 1:02:12.760 say the moon's made of cheese. People have a right 1:02:13.010 --> 1:02:16.700 to say, you know, that didn't happen. That's an American right. 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:19.650 And you brought this up to me. You don't believe it. 1:02:20.100 --> 1:02:22.340 There's got to be some other explanations. But what you 1:02:22.380 --> 1:02:24.140 and I, what you said to me two, three weeks ago, 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:26.180 is what, during the breaks when I'm talking to these 1:02:26.220 --> 1:02:29.120 Green Berets and all these guys, they're like, They're like, man, 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:32.320 it's just, you know. If they don't release that HD 1:02:32.380 --> 1:02:33.920 or at least, you know. 1:02:34.060 --> 1:02:34.400 Yeah. 1:02:34.540 --> 1:02:36.280 Because if there's not blood down there and it's just 1:02:36.340 --> 1:02:38.620 a squib pack, because that's how they do it in stunts, 1:02:39.140 --> 1:02:40.780 is it pops and then pops the back for the 1:02:40.820 --> 1:02:42.780 movie to make it look like it's real. Yeah. And 1:02:42.820 --> 1:02:46.450 I'm not saying that happened. Alex Jones does it again. 1:02:49.190 --> 1:02:50.190 But here's what's different. 1:02:50.230 --> 1:02:51.150 You're doing it again! 1:02:52.420 --> 1:02:54.040 There are a bunch of people saying this weeks ago, 1:02:54.260 --> 1:02:57.040 nobody's even attacking him because nobody believes anything anymore. 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:00.720 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I guess no one does 1:03:00.740 --> 1:03:01.750 believe anything anymore. 1:03:02.030 --> 1:03:05.250 How could you when you're listening to that man speak? 1:03:05.530 --> 1:03:05.970 Exactly. 1:03:06.030 --> 1:03:06.250 Right. 1:03:06.370 --> 1:03:10.240 So apparently, I think Sean doesn't believe that Kirk got killed. 1:03:10.790 --> 1:03:14.990 Yeah, so he's still alive. Or somebody else, or the 1:03:15.030 --> 1:03:16.390 government killed him, or. 1:03:17.050 --> 1:03:19.630 I think he must still be alive. Okay. But I 1:03:19.670 --> 1:03:21.090 don't know what the end game is in that. 1:03:21.150 --> 1:03:24.160 Yeah, now I'm interested to know what, when does Charlie 1:03:24.220 --> 1:03:27.160 Kirk coming back like Gandalf the White solve a problem 1:03:27.200 --> 1:03:27.530 for us? 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:30.580 Well, I mean, he could be the Antichrist. I mean, CK? 1:03:31.690 --> 1:03:32.130 Oh, boy. 1:03:32.710 --> 1:03:33.010 Louie? 1:03:35.210 --> 1:03:36.350 Free associating, baby. 1:03:36.370 --> 1:03:38.470 Yeah, let's just do it. Let's just go. Let's just roll. 1:03:38.490 --> 1:03:45.860 I think that this might dovetail with that idea that, 1:03:46.060 --> 1:03:50.500 you know, like, is it Kash Patel said, I'll see 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:51.440 you in Valhalla. 1:03:51.700 --> 1:03:51.960 Right. 1:03:52.220 --> 1:03:55.840 And, like, that's the resort in New Zealand or whatever. Right, right, right. 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:57.680 Oh, that's right. I remember that one. 1:03:57.720 --> 1:03:59.990 Yeah, so I think that might dovetail with this, like, 1:04:00.530 --> 1:04:04.970 Charlie retired. Right. Essentially. And they made a martyr out 1:04:05.010 --> 1:04:08.320 of him. Right. Or whatever. OK. For Trump and the 1:04:08.380 --> 1:04:11.000 right wing to use. Right. I feel like that he 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:15.020 doesn't fully explain what the reason for faking the death 1:04:15.060 --> 1:04:16.950 would be. But that's the best I can come up with. 1:04:17.050 --> 1:04:19.790 OK. So the idea is here's our plan. 1:04:20.170 --> 1:04:20.350 All right. 1:04:20.390 --> 1:04:22.370 I'm coming to you. Here's my pitch. 1:04:23.110 --> 1:04:24.450 Charlie, we need a murder or. 1:04:25.010 --> 1:04:25.810 We need a martyr. 1:04:26.740 --> 1:04:27.900 A murder martyr. A murder martyr. 1:04:27.920 --> 1:04:31.550 We need a martyr to get murdered. But we don't 1:04:31.570 --> 1:04:33.890 want to kill you. For some reason. 1:04:33.910 --> 1:04:34.650 You're too cool. 1:04:34.790 --> 1:04:37.310 We kill so many people according to these people. 1:04:37.330 --> 1:04:39.730 Well, you know so much about us that we want 1:04:39.750 --> 1:04:41.150 to keep you alive. Probably. 1:04:41.370 --> 1:04:43.070 It makes the most sense. And we want to give 1:04:43.090 --> 1:04:44.990 you more incriminating evidence on us. 1:04:45.030 --> 1:04:45.890 Like the fact that you're alive. 1:04:46.010 --> 1:04:46.630 Absolutely. 1:04:47.330 --> 1:04:49.180 And that we've made a big deal out of it. 1:04:49.950 --> 1:04:52.220 So then, yeah, we'll just fly you to New Zealand. 1:04:53.220 --> 1:04:56.250 I don't... This is... This feels like what people really 1:04:56.310 --> 1:04:58.550 believe whenever you're like, oh, they went to live on 1:04:58.570 --> 1:05:00.310 the farm. Like, no. 1:05:01.090 --> 1:05:02.100 That dog's dead, man. 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:02.459 Yeah. 1:05:02.620 --> 1:05:09.240 Because, like, Charlie's power and leverage, like... He ceases to 1:05:09.320 --> 1:05:13.900 have the same power that he had the second everyone 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:14.620 thinks he's dead. 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:14.950 Right. 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:16.830 But he has a very different power. 1:05:16.890 --> 1:05:17.830 A massive power. 1:05:17.910 --> 1:05:20.290 And the only thing he has power over is you. 1:05:20.450 --> 1:05:21.410 That's the problem. 1:05:21.490 --> 1:05:21.790 Yes. 1:05:22.210 --> 1:05:25.570 If I'm leaving, if I'm a guy who's against loose ends, 1:05:26.490 --> 1:05:29.940 I'm not, I'm blowing up New Zealand before I'm moving 1:05:29.980 --> 1:05:30.620 him to New Zealand. 1:05:30.700 --> 1:05:34.660 All the shit that Charlie is useful for alive stops 1:05:35.060 --> 1:05:36.760 once he's believed to be dead. 1:05:36.880 --> 1:05:37.060 Yeah. 1:05:37.080 --> 1:05:37.160 Yeah. 1:05:37.300 --> 1:05:40.020 So like the only way that this conspiracy would make 1:05:40.100 --> 1:05:43.000 sense is if they like told him they were going 1:05:43.020 --> 1:05:43.780 to fake the death. 1:05:43.880 --> 1:05:44.040 Right. 1:05:44.100 --> 1:05:45.080 And then actually shoot it. 1:05:45.260 --> 1:05:45.470 Right. 1:05:45.660 --> 1:05:47.050 That's and then that kind of. 1:05:48.690 --> 1:05:50.990 But even then, that would that would only work if 1:05:51.030 --> 1:05:55.250 then you're the one telling Sean Johnson this information like, hey, 1:05:55.890 --> 1:05:57.550 we didn't actually kill him. 1:05:58.580 --> 1:05:59.140 I don't know, man. 1:05:59.460 --> 1:06:00.800 And Sean Johnson believes you. 1:06:00.820 --> 1:06:06.720 I don't see a world where there's a reason to 1:06:06.780 --> 1:06:07.160 do this. 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:07.780 No. 1:06:07.800 --> 1:06:11.970 Like to fake Charlie's death. I don't see who has 1:06:12.010 --> 1:06:12.730 an advantage there. 1:06:12.890 --> 1:06:16.150 Yeah, I could see it being some sort of Dadaist terrorism. 1:06:16.590 --> 1:06:20.410 You know, like a true, this will be inexplicable for 1:06:20.470 --> 1:06:20.930 all time. 1:06:20.950 --> 1:06:21.490 Like Joker? 1:06:21.590 --> 1:06:21.670 Yeah. 1:06:21.690 --> 1:06:22.270 Talking about Joker? 1:06:22.370 --> 1:06:24.150 Nah, I don't know if that's inexplicable. 1:06:24.650 --> 1:06:25.810 He's crazy, man. 1:06:25.830 --> 1:06:27.030 I think it's fairly explicable. 1:06:27.050 --> 1:06:27.530 Oh, no. 1:06:27.590 --> 1:06:27.890 Yeah. 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:34.580 I think, okay, so I am willing to say that 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:40.270 Charlie is probably more useful now than he was before. Sure. 1:06:40.590 --> 1:06:44.310 Like he is an incredibly potent symbol and martyr that 1:06:44.470 --> 1:06:46.030 these folks can use. 1:06:46.050 --> 1:06:46.790 They're having a grand time. 1:06:47.030 --> 1:06:51.260 I don't think that justifies killing him and it wouldn't 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:53.600 be served by faking killing him. Right. 1:06:54.310 --> 1:06:54.890 Well, there's just. 1:06:55.630 --> 1:06:56.550 It doesn't make sense. 1:06:57.330 --> 1:07:00.550 I mean, if you've got him already on the we 1:07:00.590 --> 1:07:03.689 can kill you tip, right, then pick a better time 1:07:03.750 --> 1:07:06.690 for it. I mean, I'm not saying he's not a murder, 1:07:06.730 --> 1:07:09.870 but it didn't feel like there was that much to 1:07:09.970 --> 1:07:12.870 change the world with in July or whatever, you know? 1:07:12.910 --> 1:07:14.290 Well, I mean, it was deeply traumatic. 1:07:14.730 --> 1:07:17.650 Sure, it was deeply traumatic, and some professors lost their 1:07:17.670 --> 1:07:18.820 jobs and shit, but. 1:07:20.160 --> 1:07:25.510 Well, yeah. I don't... I just... I don't... I get 1:07:25.610 --> 1:07:28.790 the sense that this is what happens when you talk 1:07:28.970 --> 1:07:30.890 to a conspiracy theorist's trainer. 1:07:31.050 --> 1:07:32.130 Yeah. 1:07:32.210 --> 1:07:35.030 This is the kind of shit that you entertain. It's like, 1:07:35.490 --> 1:07:42.010 oh yeah, they faked Charlie's death. You're forcing a conspiracy. 1:07:42.030 --> 1:07:45.520 Yeah. I mean, it's not even like your conspiracy is 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:47.760 they're going after the other side in some way, right? 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:52.080 So it's not even like they got a congressperson fired, right? 1:07:52.540 --> 1:07:53.419 Or something like that. 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:56.310 They didn't get a high-value target out of it. 1:07:56.780 --> 1:08:00.990 Yeah, I don't know. So Alex, he doesn't want to 1:08:01.930 --> 1:08:06.430 talk about... He doesn't want to say that this is 1:08:06.470 --> 1:08:09.030 fake or anything. So what instead he wants to do 1:08:09.090 --> 1:08:12.830 is prompt Sean to discuss the anomalies. 1:08:13.670 --> 1:08:16.290 No, I mean, look. Trump got shot. I know real 1:08:16.330 --> 1:08:18.310 stuff when I see it. We all know fake stuff 1:08:18.570 --> 1:08:21.400 when we see it. Charlie Kirk blasted. 1:08:21.770 --> 1:08:22.020 But. 1:08:23.070 --> 1:08:25.550 get why people look at all the weird anomalies because 1:08:25.570 --> 1:08:27.870 it all points towards that. You do a good job 1:08:27.910 --> 1:08:29.870 laying them out. You want to lay them out? What, 1:08:29.910 --> 1:08:32.170 as far as what I was thinking? Well, Proviso, you're 1:08:32.189 --> 1:08:36.110 not saying this. You're just recounting what... Listen. 1:08:36.210 --> 1:08:38.600 When something like this happens, you have to look at 1:08:38.650 --> 1:08:41.900 what are the possibilities of the. 1:08:41.900 --> 1:08:45.100 Actual motive and who did this, right? 1:08:45.580 --> 1:08:48.420 In my opinion, it's like, okay, option number one, what 1:08:48.439 --> 1:08:51.639 they're telling us is absolutely correct. It was Tyler Robinson, 1:08:52.010 --> 1:08:54.179 He shot him from the roof, and everything else is 1:08:54.220 --> 1:08:57.650 just weird. The second option is there was a second gunman, 1:08:58.310 --> 1:09:02.280 and maybe they used Tyler as a decoy. and we're 1:09:02.300 --> 1:09:06.960 kind of seeing what looks to be. I mean, to me, 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:09.400 it looks like they're covering something up and I don't 1:09:09.560 --> 1:09:11.730 quite know why. I don't know why they took the 1:09:11.770 --> 1:09:15.269 narrative and ran with that so quickly. I don't know 1:09:15.330 --> 1:09:22.200 why Erica Kirk was giving tyler forgiveness so quickly after 1:09:22.240 --> 1:09:25.799 the investigation was still ongoing why are you giving forgiveness 1:09:25.840 --> 1:09:29.519 to somebody that just killed your your husband and you 1:09:29.540 --> 1:09:32.180 don't even know if he's the actual guy they haven't 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:34.019 finished the investigation. 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:36.000 So i feel like this is a really good encapsulation 1:09:36.040 --> 1:09:38.940 of how how alex likes to do business He talks 1:09:38.979 --> 1:09:41.120 to a person who's willing to say some crazy shit, 1:09:41.220 --> 1:09:42.840 and then if the audience is into it and it 1:09:42.860 --> 1:09:46.520 drives traffic and sales, it slowly becomes the InfoWars position, 1:09:46.810 --> 1:09:49.809 while Alex pretends to have not endorsed these ideas himself. 1:09:50.910 --> 1:09:54.730 Sean is painfully uninteresting in this interview, and this anomaly 1:09:54.770 --> 1:09:58.390 that he comes up with is idiotic. Erica was forgiving 1:09:58.430 --> 1:10:00.849 the guy who killed her husband because that was what 1:10:00.910 --> 1:10:03.610 she was required to do to perform the character of 1:10:03.670 --> 1:10:06.550 a saintly Christian, which is the brand that she's inherited 1:10:06.610 --> 1:10:07.250 from Charlie. 1:10:07.310 --> 1:10:07.410 Yep. 1:10:07.900 --> 1:10:09.880 Sean is acting like there needs to be a conviction 1:10:09.920 --> 1:10:12.900 in the courts before you forgive someone, which is fucking dumb. 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:15.790 If this is part of your group of arguments why 1:10:15.830 --> 1:10:18.730 you think maybe Charlie's death was fake, you are grasping 1:10:18.770 --> 1:10:22.430 at straws. And that makes sense. You're a conspiracy theorist's trainer. 1:10:22.890 --> 1:10:24.560 Yeah. 1:10:24.729 --> 1:10:26.020 I do like the presentation. 1:10:26.120 --> 1:10:26.400 All right. 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:29.220 The way I see it, there's three options. Option number one, 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:33.140 they're telling the truth. Option number two, they're lying. Those 1:10:33.180 --> 1:10:33.900 are all three options. 1:10:33.979 --> 1:10:37.020 Well, no, there is a third option. Oh, okay. That 1:10:37.100 --> 1:10:41.019 he's going to express, which is just that it's fake. Oh, well, 1:10:41.350 --> 1:10:43.170 I mean... The second one is they're covering something up 1:10:43.210 --> 1:10:45.170 like a second shooter, and then the third one is 1:10:45.210 --> 1:10:46.310 like it's all fake. Right. 1:10:46.830 --> 1:10:50.950 But here's the thing about possibilities, right? He doesn't have 1:10:50.970 --> 1:10:52.770 a reason for these being possibilities. 1:10:52.850 --> 1:10:52.990 Nope. 1:10:53.110 --> 1:10:54.930 These are the three things that I'm thinking. 1:10:55.030 --> 1:10:55.250 Yeah. 1:10:55.270 --> 1:11:03.260 Right? Here's the three fantasies that I've decided cover all possible... Scenarios. Yeah. Cool. 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:06.240 You haven't explained why it's possible there was a second shooter. 1:11:06.380 --> 1:11:07.580 Erica forgave him. 1:11:07.800 --> 1:11:10.300 See, that's not an explanation for why there's a second shooter. 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:10.740 Huh? 1:11:12.180 --> 1:11:12.520 What? 1:11:13.060 --> 1:11:16.490 I mean, Erica, it could be evidence that something happened, 1:11:16.689 --> 1:11:19.469 but why is second shooter a possibility in this situation? 1:11:19.510 --> 1:11:20.710 It's just weird. It stinks. 1:11:20.950 --> 1:11:21.070 That. 1:11:22.100 --> 1:11:22.679 It smells. 1:11:22.840 --> 1:11:23.799 There's too many anomalies. 1:11:23.820 --> 1:11:26.519 That's fine, but that would mean there's more than three possibilities. 1:11:26.540 --> 1:11:28.460 At the very least. There's so many possibilities. 1:11:28.479 --> 1:11:30.679 If something stinks, it could be anything. 1:11:30.860 --> 1:11:35.280 Right. But I think that the three possibilities actually do 1:11:35.500 --> 1:11:40.400 kind of cover everything because they're so vague and meaningless. Right, right, right. 1:11:40.430 --> 1:11:43.230 There's like, they're telling the truth. Right. The government is. 1:11:43.330 --> 1:11:44.330 Which covers everything. 1:11:44.370 --> 1:11:47.210 Well, that covers one thing. Right. Then there's like, there's 1:11:47.250 --> 1:11:50.969 a second shooter and they're covering that possibility. All those 1:11:51.050 --> 1:11:54.589 kinds of, there's a half cover up. That's one slice. 1:11:54.850 --> 1:11:56.500 And then the other slice is it's a full cover up. 1:11:56.590 --> 1:11:59.900 Right, we're doing Goldilocks and the three conspiracies. 1:11:59.939 --> 1:12:04.299 But a million stars could be in that night sky. 1:12:04.420 --> 1:12:05.099 Right, right, right. 1:12:05.820 --> 1:12:07.420 It's the hierarchy of infinities. 1:12:08.740 --> 1:12:12.040 So there's the third possibility that everything is fake. 1:12:12.890 --> 1:12:17.269 The last option, and there's only one option that, answers 1:12:17.479 --> 1:12:20.360 every single question mark that all of these influencers have 1:12:20.820 --> 1:12:22.960 that are floating out all of these theories and all 1:12:22.979 --> 1:12:26.060 these video angles and everything. There's only one answer that 1:12:26.120 --> 1:12:28.590 answers all of it, and that this is fake. This 1:12:28.650 --> 1:12:29.270 is all staged. 1:12:30.290 --> 1:12:32.970 And that, like you said earlier, the squib. Why did 1:12:32.990 --> 1:12:35.050 you send people to their houses to harass them? What's that? 1:12:35.650 --> 1:12:37.090 Why did you send people to their houses to harass 1:12:37.110 --> 1:12:39.960 this family? Why did you pee on their graves? 1:12:40.550 --> 1:12:41.210 Are you falling asleep? 1:12:41.650 --> 1:12:42.469 Are you drunk? 1:12:42.610 --> 1:12:42.930 They're not. 1:12:43.250 --> 1:12:45.230 Kirk's not going to do that, but imagine now. Why'd 1:12:45.250 --> 1:12:47.210 you send people to their houses and harass them? All 1:12:47.229 --> 1:12:48.830 you did was ask questions. Why'd you pee on the grave? 1:12:49.130 --> 1:12:52.520 Why'd you make $ 300 million off that? You just paid 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.920 $ 300 million by saying that. That's how it works. But 1:12:55.960 --> 1:12:58.479 see how the world's moved on? That's totally reasonable, and 1:12:58.500 --> 1:13:01.160 a bunch of the military people are saying what you're saying. 1:13:01.200 --> 1:13:03.740 They're saying, looks real when he gets shot. Where's the blood? 1:13:04.100 --> 1:13:06.210 And then all the rest of it. And then where's 1:13:06.229 --> 1:13:07.550 all the footage of him on the roof? They got 1:13:07.570 --> 1:13:09.430 all these cameras. Why are we showing only him running? 1:13:09.830 --> 1:13:11.870 And then all the weird anomalies there. Yeah, yeah. What 1:13:11.890 --> 1:13:14.110 does he go to? The point is, it's good you're 1:13:14.150 --> 1:13:17.830 asking those questions. It's American you're asking those questions. And 1:13:18.110 --> 1:13:20.890 it's not just OK. We're supposed to do that. Yeah. Yeah. 1:13:20.990 --> 1:13:23.170 Even if we're wrong, it's OK. Dig into this. 1:13:23.610 --> 1:13:25.590 As long as you're not going to hinder the investigation 1:13:25.770 --> 1:13:27.299 that they're doing on Tyler for this case. 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:28.150 That's your bar? 1:13:28.180 --> 1:13:28.260 Yeah. 1:13:28.780 --> 1:13:29.260 Like, right. 1:13:29.280 --> 1:13:31.000 You don't want to hurt the case. Like if, cause 1:13:31.060 --> 1:13:34.479 if all I know is though, since when can he like, 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:36.400 he's supposed to confess three times and all this. 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:36.920 Yeah. 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:40.760 Why don't they put the confession out? They would always 1:13:40.780 --> 1:13:41.400 do that. Yeah. 1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:44.939 On certain level. Yeah. If the families of turning point 1:13:44.979 --> 1:13:47.729 workers like Erica Kirk get harassed by people who've been 1:13:47.770 --> 1:13:50.530 incited by Sean's coverage of the shooting, then they should 1:13:50.570 --> 1:13:53.410 be able to take legal action against him. He's not 1:13:53.490 --> 1:13:57.060 just playing around with interesting ideas. The interesting ideas he's 1:13:57.080 --> 1:14:01.680 throwing around require that Erica Kirk be involved in gigantic crimes. 1:14:02.340 --> 1:14:05.840 These aren't just theories. They're also accusations. And that's the 1:14:05.860 --> 1:14:08.139 piece of this that folks like Alex have worked so 1:14:08.240 --> 1:14:13.290 hard to obscure. The implications of their dumb fuck conspiracies, 1:14:14.610 --> 1:14:17.350 that's why people harass those folks. 1:14:17.770 --> 1:14:22.150 If I say, why did Erica forgive him so fast? 1:14:23.370 --> 1:14:28.260 I am not asking... How is she capable of this forgiveness? Yeah, exactly. 1:14:28.979 --> 1:14:31.769 It is like, okay, well, obviously Erica's in on it. 1:14:32.140 --> 1:14:35.280 Is she paid for it or is she a happy idiot? 1:14:35.380 --> 1:14:37.939 It's that. It's like, are you in on it or 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.720 are you a useful idiot? I have now gotten rid 1:14:40.740 --> 1:14:41.099 of all. 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:43.200 That one part. And it's quite obvious that you're in 1:14:43.220 --> 1:14:43.360 on it. 1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:47.220 Yeah, how dare you say there's three possibilities? There's two possibilities, 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:49.020 a half cover-up and a whole cover-up. 1:14:49.260 --> 1:14:51.860 This is not a fucking original recipe chicken. 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:57.340 There's only one explanation that explains everything. And like, think 1:14:57.380 --> 1:15:01.019 about it on this level. Yeah. I don't know what 1:15:01.040 --> 1:15:03.220 the end game is here. We're faking Charlie's death. 1:15:03.300 --> 1:15:03.500 Yeah. 1:15:03.780 --> 1:15:08.960 But just on a really simple level, you have defrauded 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:13.610 thousands of people with that memorial service that they held. 1:15:14.090 --> 1:15:18.089 The president spoke at the fraud memorial service. 1:15:18.130 --> 1:15:20.270 Yeah, at the very least, he should be morally judged 1:15:20.310 --> 1:15:21.130 for such behavior. 1:15:21.150 --> 1:15:23.470 Well, no, and I think there's crimes involved in that. 1:15:23.490 --> 1:15:24.570 I would have to assume so. 1:15:24.590 --> 1:15:24.769 I think. 1:15:25.660 --> 1:15:29.900 It's like a fully, it's like they isolate this incident 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:33.930 so that this incident can be analyzed and all of 1:15:33.990 --> 1:15:36.809 these theories can be made, but these theories cannot have 1:15:36.890 --> 1:15:39.950 any effect on the larger world, despite the fact that 1:15:39.970 --> 1:15:43.300 this incident only exists because of its relationship to the 1:15:43.350 --> 1:15:44.099 larger world. 1:15:44.240 --> 1:15:46.720 Yeah, it's removing continuity of reality. 1:15:46.800 --> 1:15:48.660 Right, right, right, where it's like, no, no, no, it's 1:15:48.740 --> 1:15:51.400 okay for Erica to have been in on it. It's not! 1:15:51.420 --> 1:15:51.590 It's not! 1:15:52.140 --> 1:15:54.420 You can't be in on a massive cover up and 1:15:54.500 --> 1:15:55.660 still be a good guy. 1:15:55.979 --> 1:15:58.940 Yeah. And it would stand to reason that the entire 1:15:59.010 --> 1:16:02.410 Trump administration is also in on it. Right. And everyone 1:16:02.450 --> 1:16:03.590 involved in the memorial. 1:16:03.630 --> 1:16:04.370 You would have to be. 1:16:04.610 --> 1:16:04.809 Yeah. 1:16:05.030 --> 1:16:05.729 Yeah. 1:16:05.950 --> 1:16:08.770 On another level, though, like, yeah, who cares if dipshits 1:16:08.790 --> 1:16:11.690 are asking stupid questions that aren't really questions? Sure. If 1:16:11.729 --> 1:16:14.290 they aren't interfering with the investigation, all they're doing is 1:16:14.350 --> 1:16:17.910 wasting everyone's time. That's true. There's no law against wasting time. 1:16:17.930 --> 1:16:17.990 No. 1:16:18.070 --> 1:16:18.189 No. 1:16:18.930 --> 1:16:22.030 The consumers of this media would be wise to ask themselves, 1:16:22.229 --> 1:16:25.229 at what point do questions demand answers? And at what 1:16:25.270 --> 1:16:28.760 point are they not really questions? The game that Alex 1:16:28.820 --> 1:16:31.380 and Sean engage in is pretending to be asking questions 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:34.920 that demand immediate answers. But the answer that satisfies their 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:37.420 question and gets them to say, well, that explains that 1:16:37.780 --> 1:16:41.550 that doesn't exist. If the police don't release the confession, 1:16:41.729 --> 1:16:45.070 then that's suspicious. Right. If they release the confession, why'd 1:16:45.130 --> 1:16:46.090 it take so long? 1:16:46.110 --> 1:16:47.229 Because it's suspicious. 1:16:47.430 --> 1:16:50.130 If there's an explanation for the delay, then why does 1:16:50.170 --> 1:16:53.870 this one word in the confession seem weird? There's always 1:16:53.910 --> 1:16:56.450 going to be another question to replace the last one, 1:16:56.490 --> 1:17:00.360 because these aren't sincere questions. They're excuses to believe something 1:17:00.479 --> 1:17:03.660 idiotic while still pretending to be rational and making money 1:17:03.760 --> 1:17:07.780 off it. And it's really important, I think, if you're 1:17:07.920 --> 1:17:12.870 consuming this kind of media... To understand that dynamic and 1:17:12.990 --> 1:17:14.349 reject people who play those games. 1:17:14.430 --> 1:17:16.110 Yeah. I've got a new. 1:17:16.430 --> 1:17:17.400 Here's another thing I've got. 1:17:17.740 --> 1:17:18.000 All right? 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:21.439 Here's my new thought. Can't restrict. 1:17:21.930 --> 1:17:22.530 Free speech. 1:17:23.189 --> 1:17:26.269 Trump has. Right? Whatever. Legally. 1:17:26.810 --> 1:17:31.650 I am going to tack on to free speech, right? 1:17:32.470 --> 1:17:34.870 If you say it's the First Amendment, you have to 1:17:34.930 --> 1:17:36.690 say the entire First Amendment. 1:17:37.350 --> 1:17:39.820 That is now a rule. That's a law. 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:41.900 I'm not going to restrict your free speech. You can 1:17:41.939 --> 1:17:43.940 say First Amendment all you want. But if you say 1:17:43.979 --> 1:17:46.200 First Amendment, you have to say, for the government shall 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:48.820 not make a law infringing upon the right for people. 1:17:48.860 --> 1:17:49.740 You have to do the whole thing. 1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:51.680 And then you have to recite pi down to 20 1:17:51.680 --> 1:17:53.179 decimal points. 1:17:53.220 --> 1:17:55.340 We're going to amplify this to the point where people 1:17:55.360 --> 1:17:57.160 who say it's the First Amendment aren't allowed to talk 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:57.740 at all. Yeah. 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:00.970 And then you have to periodic table. You have to 1:18:01.010 --> 1:18:03.730 say something. Absolutely. What are the noble gases? 1:18:03.970 --> 1:18:04.170 Right. 1:18:04.250 --> 1:18:05.970 Are there seven? Are there four? 1:18:06.850 --> 1:18:09.150 It's so sad that we both immediately just went to 1:18:09.210 --> 1:18:10.010 the noble gases. 1:18:10.330 --> 1:18:12.510 The noble gases. What are you going to go to? 1:18:12.590 --> 1:18:13.950 Fucking uranium? 1:18:14.390 --> 1:18:19.520 I don't know. So Candace Owens has been blaming Israel 1:18:19.660 --> 1:18:23.300 for Charlie's death. Sure, why not? And so Sean wants 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:26.020 to know what Alex thinks about what Candace has been 1:18:26.080 --> 1:18:26.420 up to. 1:18:26.520 --> 1:18:26.800 Yeah. 1:18:27.000 --> 1:18:29.680 And Alex doesn't realize what he's asking. Uh-oh. 1:18:30.020 --> 1:18:31.960 What do you think about Candace? What do you think 1:18:31.979 --> 1:18:33.980 about her stance on all of this right now? 1:18:34.060 --> 1:18:37.300 Because she has fucking backed herself into a corner, and 1:18:37.400 --> 1:18:39.100 she's fucking got the claws out. 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:42.559 She's fighting. Well, I like Candace Owens, and we really 1:18:42.600 --> 1:18:43.150 discovered her. 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:43.769 I like her, too. 1:18:44.460 --> 1:18:46.700 I was like Paul Watson, my host, and we were 1:18:46.729 --> 1:18:52.200 the first to ever get her on air. You know 1:18:52.240 --> 1:18:53.000 her origin story? 1:18:55.060 --> 1:18:55.410 What is it? 1:18:55.930 --> 1:19:00.930 Red pill black or black pill red? Well, she was 1:19:00.950 --> 1:19:04.210 going to start a social media for women, and then 1:19:04.970 --> 1:19:07.160 liberals wanted to get control of it, So they were 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:10.540 false flagging her, threatening her, like white supremacist stuff, but 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:14.020 it was the women in the group doing it. So 1:19:14.540 --> 1:19:15.979 that's kind of how she woke up as a liberal 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:19.150 because they were like Jesse Smollett and they were staging stuff. 1:19:22.229 --> 1:19:25.189 And my lawyer, Norm Pattis from Sandy Hook up in Connecticut, 1:19:25.210 --> 1:19:27.710 where she's from, he actually represented her and got her 1:19:27.729 --> 1:19:29.670 a big settlement where she did go through racist stuff 1:19:29.689 --> 1:19:31.610 in high school and stuff. So I know all about 1:19:31.650 --> 1:19:35.220 Candace Owens. I think she is a good person. I 1:19:35.260 --> 1:19:40.640 think she means what she says. You think there's any 1:19:40.700 --> 1:19:42.580 truth to what she's saying? Well, you've got to give 1:19:42.600 --> 1:19:48.700 me the latest because all I know is this. She 1:19:48.740 --> 1:19:50.760 came out a few weeks ago and was like, he 1:19:50.780 --> 1:19:52.600 was shot from the front and it goes through the 1:19:52.620 --> 1:19:56.500 vertebrae and all that. And everybody's like, oh, my God, 1:19:56.540 --> 1:19:59.050 Candace Owens, I'm not lessening it. I'm like, I broke that. 1:19:59.930 --> 1:20:01.230 Like three weeks before that. 1:20:01.430 --> 1:20:02.670 That's what's important. 1:20:02.990 --> 1:20:04.890 I'm glad that whatever she says, everybody pays a lot 1:20:04.910 --> 1:20:06.349 of attention to it because that was true what she said. 1:20:06.370 --> 1:20:08.889 Because I said it. The other thing about the details 1:20:08.930 --> 1:20:13.290 was the TPUSA head guy says, oh, you know, he's 1:20:13.310 --> 1:20:16.979 got my number. He calls me up 30 minutes after 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:20.000 I do a post on X. He's like, oh, 30-odd-six. 1:20:20.060 --> 1:20:23.460 And I said, no way at that angle. And then 1:20:24.180 --> 1:20:25.660 so he called me and gave me the full details 1:20:25.700 --> 1:20:28.660 of what later came out. And what he said is 1:20:28.700 --> 1:20:33.040 what Candace is saying actually happened. My point is she's 1:20:33.060 --> 1:20:35.000 going off what they say. We haven't gotten a coroner's 1:20:35.020 --> 1:20:35.960 report yet. Does that make sense? 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:36.260 Yeah. 1:20:36.380 --> 1:20:37.460 So she's talking to the same people. 1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:37.860 Yeah. 1:20:38.460 --> 1:20:41.600 She thinks this was an Israeli hit, correct? Oh, is 1:20:41.620 --> 1:20:42.620 that what you're getting at? Yeah. 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:43.460 Oh. 1:20:44.020 --> 1:20:44.240 Oh! 1:20:44.660 --> 1:20:44.809 Oh! 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:47.850 Ouch! Going to have to redo that one. Can we 1:20:47.870 --> 1:20:48.550 take that from the top? 1:20:48.570 --> 1:20:49.610 She said a whole bunch of stuff about it, and 1:20:49.630 --> 1:20:52.690 I guess day one everybody said it was Israel. So 1:20:54.189 --> 1:20:57.590 my thing is, The Israel thing is something that sucks 1:20:57.630 --> 1:20:59.530 all the oxygen out of the room. So I wasn't 1:20:59.570 --> 1:21:01.729 being coy earlier when I'm like, what is she talking about? 1:21:02.170 --> 1:21:03.250 She said so much stuff. 1:21:03.430 --> 1:21:04.590 She said so much. 1:21:04.630 --> 1:21:06.530 This lady talks so much shit. 1:21:06.810 --> 1:21:09.150 I didn't know the clear question you were asking me. 1:21:09.180 --> 1:21:13.080 Sean, I need you to understand something. You're the person 1:21:13.439 --> 1:21:15.200 who listens to all of us talking shit. 1:21:15.380 --> 1:21:17.400 You're the conspiracy theorist's trainer. Right. 1:21:17.660 --> 1:21:20.140 We talk shit. We don't listen to each other talk shit. 1:21:20.260 --> 1:21:21.760 Why would we listen? 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:24.599 Mostly just know when something becomes a problem. 1:21:24.620 --> 1:21:26.840 Yeah. I'm... An annoyance. 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:33.740 Yeah, so I like the, you know, I discovered her. 1:21:34.100 --> 1:21:35.400 You know she stole that news from me. 1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:35.860 I mean. 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.460 I'm trying to ask you about her saying that the 1:21:39.500 --> 1:21:40.969 murder was an Israeli hit job. 1:21:41.160 --> 1:21:43.390 You know, I'm great. 1:21:44.350 --> 1:21:48.809 Have you considered how great I am in this question 1:21:48.850 --> 1:21:49.650 about somebody else? 1:21:50.090 --> 1:21:51.610 Yeah. Pretty great. 1:21:51.729 --> 1:21:53.630 I'm pretty great. I'm pretty great. What did she do? 1:21:53.870 --> 1:21:54.340 I'm sorry? 1:21:54.600 --> 1:21:57.520 So one of the things that's really great about Alex 1:21:58.260 --> 1:22:00.740 is that, you know, you have people like Candace Owen 1:22:00.820 --> 1:22:04.020 saying that the murder was an Israel hit job. 1:22:04.100 --> 1:22:04.880 Sure, because why not? 1:22:05.280 --> 1:22:08.389 And, you know, that's a representation of how Candace is 1:22:08.400 --> 1:22:12.710 a sincere actor in this space who has criticisms about Israel. 1:22:12.770 --> 1:22:16.089 She believes it. Now, Alex early in his career learned 1:22:16.450 --> 1:22:20.599 how to tell anti-Semites from people who have concerns. 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:21.189 That's good. 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:21.820 Yeah. 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:22.580 I bet he did. 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:23.060 Yep. 1:22:24.100 --> 1:22:26.640 Okay. But there's all sorts of groups and organizations like that. 1:22:26.660 --> 1:22:28.120 But I don't sit there at night jacking off like, 1:22:28.180 --> 1:22:30.640 I hate the Jews, you know. That stuff just gets 1:22:30.700 --> 1:22:32.620 really old. So, well, that's what a lot of these 1:22:32.650 --> 1:22:34.370 guys that hate him do. I mean, they literally, look, 1:22:35.110 --> 1:22:36.830 maybe I have an allergy to it because I've been 1:22:36.850 --> 1:22:39.110 on there 30 years plus. And I was on there 1:22:39.150 --> 1:22:41.470 just a few months and like, I'd have guys come 1:22:41.490 --> 1:22:43.630 down to the studio and go, you're talking about the 1:22:43.670 --> 1:22:47.750 New World Order, but you know it's the Jews, and 1:22:47.790 --> 1:22:49.990 here's some pamphlets. We want to come on your show. 1:22:50.020 --> 1:22:52.540 And they'd be up there the next week. I've been 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:53.900 out here like a month, 31 years ago. They're like, 1:22:54.740 --> 1:22:56.860 I noticed you didn't call me back. I guess you 1:22:56.880 --> 1:22:59.360 work for the Jews. And I was like, no, I 1:22:59.380 --> 1:23:00.480 hadn't read the stuff yet. I was like in the 1:23:00.500 --> 1:23:03.830 back of my car. I'm like, yeah, Joe's is kind 1:23:03.850 --> 1:23:07.410 of a Jewish name. We'll be watching you, boy. So 1:23:07.430 --> 1:23:09.950 my first experience was like these people are like just, 1:23:10.450 --> 1:23:13.760 I was like, well, I... They're the worst ambassadors there 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:17.060 are because they're the little club that's good and everyone 1:23:17.100 --> 1:23:20.809 else is not pure and all roads lead to the Jews. 1:23:21.189 --> 1:23:23.870 Smash cut to Alex hanging out with Nick Fuentes. 1:23:23.930 --> 1:23:25.350 Nick Fuentes. 1:23:25.510 --> 1:23:28.950 Shaving a Hitler mustache with Sean Johnson. 1:23:28.970 --> 1:23:30.070 With Sean Johnson. 1:23:30.210 --> 1:23:33.410 As a bit. It's so funny. I think that what 1:23:33.470 --> 1:23:37.110 he's describing about this Nazi that he interacted with a 1:23:37.180 --> 1:23:40.680 month into his career is literally exactly the same thing 1:23:40.720 --> 1:23:41.440 that happened with Nick. 1:23:41.680 --> 1:23:41.820 Yep. 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:46.840 Alex was not being hard enough on Jewish people. And 1:23:47.220 --> 1:23:49.510 Nick took to his show and said that Alex was 1:23:49.550 --> 1:23:52.350 a fat drunk who got a call from Israel and 1:23:52.370 --> 1:23:54.470 he worked for the Jews. Yep. And then now they're 1:23:54.590 --> 1:23:55.070 good buddies. 1:23:55.530 --> 1:23:55.710 Yep. 1:23:57.070 --> 1:23:57.229 Yep. 1:23:57.600 --> 1:23:57.730 Yep. 1:23:58.850 --> 1:23:59.469 What an idiot. 1:23:59.630 --> 1:24:03.320 It's just one of those patterns. It's just like Alex. 1:24:03.979 --> 1:24:07.139 Joe Rogan's fucking liar, and I'll gut him like a pig. 1:24:07.460 --> 1:24:08.220 And now we're best friends. 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:11.080 They're kids on the playground. 1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:13.120 They just need to blow off some steam sometimes. 1:24:14.820 --> 1:24:16.210 Man, these guys. 1:24:17.030 --> 1:24:19.769 I hope Sean Johnson is a really good trainer. 1:24:21.150 --> 1:24:23.330 I mean, look, I don't know how much of it 1:24:23.410 --> 1:24:27.130 is all organic. You know, like, I don't... I don't 1:24:27.170 --> 1:24:29.770 know if Alex got on the, on the shot or whatever. 1:24:29.790 --> 1:24:32.889 I don't know. Yeah. He did lose a lot of weight. 1:24:33.070 --> 1:24:36.230 I mean, and like if Sean Johnson is the trainer 1:24:36.290 --> 1:24:38.670 responsible for that now, he's not bad. 1:24:38.970 --> 1:24:41.730 No, I think, I think that might be where we're, 1:24:41.770 --> 1:24:44.990 I think this might be our issue, right? He succeeded 1:24:45.090 --> 1:24:48.050 too well at his good job that made him think 1:24:48.450 --> 1:24:52.060 I could also do Alex's job, right? I'm skinny. He's 1:24:52.110 --> 1:24:54.760 skinny now. He can do a radio show. 1:24:54.880 --> 1:24:56.060 I can do a radio show. 1:24:56.300 --> 1:24:56.780 Makes sense. 1:24:56.939 --> 1:24:59.220 I think that there's a lot of people who are 1:24:59.439 --> 1:25:03.440 in like some proximity to Alex that get the idea 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:06.960 that what he does is super easy because it is right. 1:25:07.340 --> 1:25:11.439 They just don't realize that without the past, like the 1:25:11.600 --> 1:25:14.590 bullshit of the past, like 20 years. Right. No one 1:25:14.630 --> 1:25:17.690 cares about the easy shit that Alex is doing. You're 1:25:17.729 --> 1:25:18.710 just another streamer. 1:25:18.870 --> 1:25:19.490 Right. 1:25:19.710 --> 1:25:23.250 It is super easy because I'm me. 1:25:23.850 --> 1:25:25.060 It's impossible for you. 1:25:25.070 --> 1:25:30.160 Yeah. It's impossible to stand out as conspiracy theorist trainer. Right. 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:35.460 So Alex, he lists off here some suspects that could 1:25:35.500 --> 1:25:39.220 be behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I think 1:25:39.700 --> 1:25:41.520 if you have this wide of a net, you don't 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:42.479 really know anything. 1:25:42.500 --> 1:25:42.570 Hmm. 1:25:43.390 --> 1:25:46.780 You know, for me, Candace can, you know, talk about 1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:50.060 how she thinks Israel did it, and that's the big 1:25:50.100 --> 1:25:52.120 popular thing to think, and I think she really believes that. 1:25:53.060 --> 1:25:56.730 It's kind of like, you know, those inkblots where you 1:25:56.770 --> 1:25:57.890 kind of see what you want in it. 1:25:58.150 --> 1:25:58.710 Yeah. 1:25:58.790 --> 1:26:02.050 And I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that 1:26:02.170 --> 1:26:05.990 a weird RNC alliance that wanted control of the group, 1:26:06.010 --> 1:26:08.200 because it was bigger than the RNC now and bigger 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:12.920 than CPAC, with Israel... you know, didn't use Israeli operatives 1:26:12.939 --> 1:26:15.240 because they're very competent in assassinations to do it. That's 1:26:15.310 --> 1:26:19.550 a possibility, pure speculation. The DNC knows he got two 1:26:19.570 --> 1:26:20.710 and a half million people to vote for Trump and 1:26:20.729 --> 1:26:23.210 was the reason he won. And they're the ones calling 1:26:23.250 --> 1:26:26.189 for him to die, celebrating when he died. And then 1:26:26.210 --> 1:26:31.060 you got all these other trans-antifa out blasting people every 1:26:31.100 --> 1:26:36.240 week and, you know, shooting up ISIS. So I'm like, yeah, DNC, RNC, 1:26:36.380 --> 1:26:41.070 Israel Alliance, Makes sense. And then could it have been... 1:26:40.850 --> 1:26:45.190 I mean, if you got to sit there and start speculating, 1:26:46.310 --> 1:26:47.500 could the Chi-Coms do it? 1:26:47.970 --> 1:26:51.500 Now, here's the twist. You actually don't have to engage 1:26:51.560 --> 1:26:55.339 in rampant idiotic speculation about every event that happens, desperately 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:58.540 chasing clicks and attention. If you really think that it's 1:26:58.600 --> 1:27:01.770 possible that all these different groups could have been involved 1:27:01.780 --> 1:27:04.910 in an elaborate assassination plot against Charlie... Then you have 1:27:04.990 --> 1:27:07.630 no evidence about any of it, because you sure as 1:27:07.650 --> 1:27:10.229 shit haven't ruled out any of these suspects. 1:27:10.310 --> 1:27:10.480 Yeah. 1:27:10.910 --> 1:27:13.480 The truth is that Alex has nothing to say, which 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:15.180 is why he has to say so much. 1:27:15.340 --> 1:27:15.560 Yeah. 1:27:15.939 --> 1:27:17.180 This is so dumb. 1:27:17.420 --> 1:27:17.660 Yeah. 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:19.300 You don't have to do this, and it's kind of 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:20.040 embarrassing to. 1:27:20.340 --> 1:27:25.720 I mean, what it should really prove, backwards thinking, right, 1:27:26.340 --> 1:27:29.090 is how few people, especially nations. 1:27:30.180 --> 1:27:32.340 want to assassinate anybody, right? 1:27:32.420 --> 1:27:36.860 Because if I'm a nation, like say I'm just like 1:27:36.900 --> 1:27:40.920 a regular ass, say I'm Luxembourg, France, right? How do 1:27:41.000 --> 1:27:42.570 I want to get on the map? I'm just going 1:27:42.590 --> 1:27:45.610 to start assassinating people and they'll blame it on Israel. 1:27:45.750 --> 1:27:47.590 Like there's no, why wouldn't you? 1:27:47.729 --> 1:27:50.070 Well, Luxembourg, France works for Israel, right? 1:27:50.110 --> 1:27:51.970 Right, but this is what I'm saying. Like, if you 1:27:52.030 --> 1:27:55.610 do some shit now, it will be blamed on Israel 1:27:55.650 --> 1:27:56.990 by these crazy people. 1:27:57.020 --> 1:27:59.360 Well, I mean, it's exactly what Alex was saying earlier. 1:27:59.420 --> 1:28:03.240 No one believes anything anymore. Yeah, and I think that 1:28:03.460 --> 1:28:06.300 one of the things that's really shocking, too, is that, like, 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:11.139 I don't think that Charlie Kirk's assassination was that hard 1:28:11.180 --> 1:28:11.820 to pull off. 1:28:12.100 --> 1:28:14.400 It looked very straightforward. 1:28:14.420 --> 1:28:18.670 I don't believe that you would need elaborate conspiracy in 1:28:18.729 --> 1:28:20.130 order to have done that. 1:28:20.210 --> 1:28:20.350 Nope. 1:28:20.670 --> 1:28:24.430 And that, that reveals a really like a kind of 1:28:24.610 --> 1:28:28.950 comforting thing. And that like, this could be happening all 1:28:29.010 --> 1:28:32.250 the time. Yeah. And the fact that it's not kind 1:28:32.290 --> 1:28:34.450 of means that most people don't want to kill each other. 1:28:34.470 --> 1:28:36.129 Nobody wants to assassinate anybody. 1:28:36.250 --> 1:28:39.050 Right. And I think that that is, I hate to 1:28:39.110 --> 1:28:42.570 say a, a, silver lining of this event, but it 1:28:42.670 --> 1:28:45.229 is kind of like, well, this would be happening a 1:28:45.290 --> 1:28:49.540 lot more if the world that Alex... lives in was 1:28:49.600 --> 1:28:50.500 the real world. Right. 1:28:51.080 --> 1:28:54.490 Oh, and not just that, but every like the most 1:28:54.630 --> 1:28:59.330 common part of all major political assassinations is very simple 1:28:59.390 --> 1:29:03.950 and straightforward. Any any complications, almost every one of them 1:29:03.990 --> 1:29:07.150 is foiled. The moment even even if you've got two 1:29:07.210 --> 1:29:09.830 guns and you're trying to kill Andrew Jackson, it's going 1:29:09.850 --> 1:29:10.570 to get foiled. 1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:10.800 Right. 1:29:10.990 --> 1:29:12.440 Once you call the Chinese. 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:14.560 Right. What are you talking about? It's done. 1:29:14.620 --> 1:29:15.120 You're done. 1:29:15.220 --> 1:29:17.800 It's over. You have a gun. You're a guy. You 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:18.600 walk up close. 1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:19.160 You shoot him. 1:29:19.220 --> 1:29:20.920 That's as good as you're going to do. Yeah. 1:29:21.140 --> 1:29:23.420 And like the bottom line, I feel with this this 1:29:23.460 --> 1:29:25.940 like kind of interview and this this tone is like 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:30.019 Alex is coming up with fun, fanciful things to be like, well, 1:29:30.060 --> 1:29:32.800 maybe they did it. Yeah. But he's also saying, like, 1:29:33.060 --> 1:29:36.160 if I were forced to speculate. Like, you force yourself 1:29:36.200 --> 1:29:38.120 to speculate. You don't have to do any of this. 1:29:38.260 --> 1:29:41.620 If I were forced to speculate. If somebody were going 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:44.000 to ask me in my professional expert opinion. 1:29:44.320 --> 1:29:47.470 If speculating about nonsense and making shit up were the 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:49.590 only way that I could make money, then I would 1:29:49.630 --> 1:29:53.290 say that maybe the Chinese or maybe the Transantifa. 1:29:54.450 --> 1:29:57.970 Gone to my head, it could be literally anybody I 1:29:58.050 --> 1:30:01.310 don't like. And for good measure, it might be people 1:30:01.370 --> 1:30:01.710 I do. 1:30:02.670 --> 1:30:04.990 But it might be the kind of people who I 1:30:05.060 --> 1:30:06.559 do like who I also don't really like that much. 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:07.380 It could be both. 1:30:07.500 --> 1:30:13.599 Rhinos. So the interview comes to an end, and Alex 1:30:13.860 --> 1:30:16.679 is trying to drive home this message that Todd Blanche 1:30:16.740 --> 1:30:18.580 sucks and needs to go. 1:30:18.620 --> 1:30:18.840 Yeah. 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:22.080 I don't own the alexjonesstore.com, so they can't shut that down. 1:30:22.740 --> 1:30:25.160 That's got the best supplements, T-shirts, all of it. That's 1:30:25.260 --> 1:30:28.560 funding the new thing we're doing. And so much, you know, very, 1:30:28.580 --> 1:30:31.740 very exciting things happening there. And so I just thank 1:30:31.770 --> 1:30:33.950 people for their support, their word of mouth. And thank 1:30:33.970 --> 1:30:36.010 you so much, Sean, for helping get me back in shape. 1:30:36.229 --> 1:30:36.710 Thank you, brother. 1:30:36.729 --> 1:30:39.130 I appreciate you for coming on. And I'll end it 1:30:39.170 --> 1:30:46.350 with still no Epstein list. So all this chaos we've 1:30:46.370 --> 1:30:48.330 been talking about, still no Epstein list. 1:30:48.390 --> 1:30:51.850 And you know who's over not releasing it? Todd Blanch. Oh, 1:30:52.030 --> 1:30:54.220 that's weird. The guy that went and interviewed Ghislaine Maxwell 1:30:54.260 --> 1:30:55.640 and then put her in a minimum security prison, the 1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:56.240 best in the country. 1:30:56.580 --> 1:30:57.580 Yeah. Hmm. 1:30:57.600 --> 1:30:58.120 It's a nice man. 1:30:59.020 --> 1:30:59.200 Yeah. 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:03.220 And he's Trump's right hand man right now. So anyways. Yeah, 1:31:03.240 --> 1:31:05.780 that implicates Trump. I mean, here's the deal. They had 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:07.580 that high level whistleblower that was the head of the 1:31:07.620 --> 1:31:10.099 case the first five years that they caught on tape. 1:31:10.120 --> 1:31:13.320 We know Trump's not involved. which we already know. But 1:31:13.340 --> 1:31:15.440 it doesn't matter. After the fact, he's been convinced for 1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:18.759 the CIA and Mossad, who are both involved, to cover 1:31:18.880 --> 1:31:22.500 it up. Yeah. And who is there? Todd Blanch. 1:31:22.840 --> 1:31:23.800 Yeah. 1:31:23.900 --> 1:31:25.780 And now that he's got that, now that he's over 1:31:25.820 --> 1:31:29.900 that case, he feels invincible that he can then deep-six 1:31:29.920 --> 1:31:33.420 anything else he wants. Maybe he has something over Trump's head. 1:31:33.960 --> 1:31:34.260 Never know. 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:35.700 Epstein! 1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:37.420 All right, brother. I love you. 1:31:38.060 --> 1:31:39.850 Let's do this again soon. People can find me on 1:31:39.939 --> 1:31:42.380 X at RealAlexJones. Find the live feeds there and so 1:31:42.400 --> 1:31:44.400 much more. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, everybody. 1:31:44.620 --> 1:31:44.740 Bye. 1:31:45.210 --> 1:31:46.750 So we impeach Trump then? 1:31:47.110 --> 1:31:48.710 Like, what are we talking about? 1:31:48.750 --> 1:31:52.349 What a fucking absolutely insane way to end and. 1:31:52.330 --> 1:31:55.510 Not go like, we're crazy, right? Yeah. We have accepted 1:31:55.689 --> 1:31:59.890 all fanciful things and nothing means anything because I'm both like, hey, 1:32:00.270 --> 1:32:02.610 Epstein should come out. But also I'm like, but I 1:32:02.630 --> 1:32:05.090 don't care. Fucking crazy. 1:32:05.250 --> 1:32:09.890 Well, and I think that this reveals a schism that 1:32:10.090 --> 1:32:14.110 could be threatening the conspiracy community a little bit. And 1:32:14.140 --> 1:32:19.460 that is like Alex and his brand of shit. It's 1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:23.170 similar to the way that some of the more mainstream 1:32:23.270 --> 1:32:27.630 right wing talking heads radio show hosts would work in 1:32:27.650 --> 1:32:28.170 the past. 1:32:28.290 --> 1:32:28.479 Yeah. 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:33.230 And that is for the friend group. We scapegoat someone. 1:32:33.430 --> 1:32:33.630 Yeah. 1:32:33.870 --> 1:32:37.690 So like nothing is Trump's fault. Right. It's Bill Barr's fault. Right. 1:32:37.910 --> 1:32:41.599 It is Todd Blanch's fault. We find this other person. 1:32:42.060 --> 1:32:43.840 He's the one who the Epstein stuff. 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:44.240 Right. 1:32:44.380 --> 1:32:46.760 Definitely totally mad about that. But it's his fault. 1:32:46.820 --> 1:32:49.400 We do not let the buck stop with Trump. 1:32:49.580 --> 1:32:55.700 Right. Whereas with the other side, every single underling, everything 1:32:55.740 --> 1:32:59.380 they do is Obama's fault. Everything is Clinton's fault. 1:32:59.400 --> 1:32:59.469 Yep. 1:32:59.740 --> 1:33:04.120 Clinton actually orchestrated all of these little downstream decisions and everything. 1:33:04.729 --> 1:33:09.690 And I think that some of the more like newer 1:33:09.770 --> 1:33:13.870 wave conspiracy folks, they don't buy into that same old 1:33:13.990 --> 1:33:19.570 right wing mentality of protecting where the buck stops. Yeah. Like. 1:33:20.240 --> 1:33:23.849 Sean seems entirely willing to be like, well, that fucking 1:33:24.189 --> 1:33:27.630 means that Trump is involved in this. And people like 1:33:27.689 --> 1:33:30.889 Nick Fuentes isn't willing to just be like, yeah, Trump 1:33:30.930 --> 1:33:34.470 gets a pass. We'll just blame the guy at the 1:33:34.510 --> 1:33:37.920 DOJ or whatever. And I think if they can't get 1:33:37.939 --> 1:33:39.820 on the same page about that, that's going to be 1:33:39.840 --> 1:33:40.259 a problem. 1:33:41.300 --> 1:33:46.580 Yeah, I mean, I think... In our lifetime, I can 1:33:46.820 --> 1:33:52.059 only point to examples of them essentially circling the wagons 1:33:52.100 --> 1:33:55.510 being like, listen, sure, we've yelled about this for a while, 1:33:55.550 --> 1:33:57.349 but now that we know we're not going to get 1:33:57.390 --> 1:33:59.210 any traction with this, we're just going to pretend it 1:33:59.229 --> 1:34:03.630 didn't happen. We're just going to move on like, yeah, sure, 1:34:03.670 --> 1:34:05.090 they caught this guy doing whatever. 1:34:05.270 --> 1:34:07.350 Didn't happen. We're moving on, you know, because. 1:34:08.210 --> 1:34:10.510 We've already agreed that we're going to let Trump off 1:34:10.530 --> 1:34:13.389 the hook for it. So if we've already done that, 1:34:13.510 --> 1:34:16.300 then let's not, like, pick at a scab. 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:16.580 Right. 1:34:16.900 --> 1:34:17.880 Yeah, totally. 1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:18.160 Yeah. 1:34:18.240 --> 1:34:19.700 And that's what this ending feels like. 1:34:19.740 --> 1:34:20.219 Exactly. 1:34:20.660 --> 1:34:24.200 It feels like Alex kind of trying to be like, hey, look, 1:34:24.260 --> 1:34:25.840 we've already kind of litigated this. 1:34:25.860 --> 1:34:26.440 Yeah, we moved on. 1:34:26.460 --> 1:34:27.980 And, like, we don't care. He's our kid. 1:34:28.160 --> 1:34:30.100 We lost. He gets to do whatever he wants. He 1:34:30.120 --> 1:34:30.759 can rape kids. 1:34:30.820 --> 1:34:31.320 I don't care. 1:34:31.340 --> 1:34:33.700 He was right. Mm-hmm. He can shoot a. 1:34:33.689 --> 1:34:36.370 Guy in the street and we'll be like, you get 1:34:36.410 --> 1:34:38.310 to be more president. Yeah. 1:34:38.630 --> 1:34:43.050 Yeah. And I think that there's I don't know exactly 1:34:43.170 --> 1:34:47.630 how it plays out, because I think that people who 1:34:47.710 --> 1:34:51.570 are willing to call out the hub of power or 1:34:51.610 --> 1:34:54.460 whatever and not be like, well, let's blame the scapegoat. Yeah. 1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:59.299 I think that they have. possibly more of a moral 1:34:59.360 --> 1:35:02.340 indignation behind them. Sure. And I think that they can 1:35:02.420 --> 1:35:06.620 sell their argument better, uh, to people who aren't, uh, 1:35:06.900 --> 1:35:08.020 like already in. 1:35:08.060 --> 1:35:08.320 Yeah. 1:35:09.100 --> 1:35:11.630 And so I feel like that would be ascendant. 1:35:11.870 --> 1:35:12.130 Yeah. 1:35:12.310 --> 1:35:15.530 But then like, who's going to fucking listen to Sean Johnson? 1:35:16.729 --> 1:35:19.950 I mean, that's, I think that's probably the, if, if, 1:35:20.250 --> 1:35:24.179 if we had, let's say a fair marketplace of ideas, uh, 1:35:24.860 --> 1:35:27.450 I think maybe Sean Johnson's point of view would get 1:35:27.530 --> 1:35:33.150 more traction overall. But since the overwhelming money can put 1:35:33.189 --> 1:35:36.729 a hand on the scale to like, hey, Trump gets 1:35:36.750 --> 1:35:38.490 to do whatever he wants, it's Blanche, you know? 1:35:38.510 --> 1:35:42.799 Yeah, but the problem is like the marketplace of ideas, 1:35:43.040 --> 1:35:46.000 like if it were just like a free and open marketplace, 1:35:46.479 --> 1:35:48.600 like the guy who's like, no, we still need to 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:51.080 blame Trump is also the guy who's like, I don't know, 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:53.380 I think Charlie Kirk's assassination might have been faked. 1:35:53.520 --> 1:35:53.780 Right. 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:56.500 So, like, what kind of quality of ideas are we 1:35:56.540 --> 1:35:57.220 working with here? 1:35:57.380 --> 1:36:01.020 I mean, I think, here's my problem. I agree with you. 1:36:01.400 --> 1:36:04.470 I think that's probably because we're downstream of those guys already. 1:36:04.630 --> 1:36:05.310 You know what I mean? 1:36:05.350 --> 1:36:07.850 Like, if we had gone back to a place before 1:36:07.910 --> 1:36:11.350 where they have poisoned us all in this horrible well 1:36:11.710 --> 1:36:14.720 of bullshit, then maybe we would have Sean Johnson be like, 1:36:15.260 --> 1:36:18.890 you know, I have questions about regular government. Where did 1:36:18.930 --> 1:36:19.910 Texas go? 1:36:21.640 --> 1:36:22.580 What's a bill? 1:36:22.939 --> 1:36:23.920 What is a bill? 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.099 Can we start with what is a bill? 1:36:26.180 --> 1:36:28.519 Is there a song I could listen to that explains 1:36:28.560 --> 1:36:29.820 how a bill becomes a law? 1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:32.820 I mean this very seriously. When you are writing a bill, 1:36:32.939 --> 1:36:35.790 what words do you use? Are they in French? 1:36:36.330 --> 1:36:36.430 Ugh. 1:36:38.170 --> 1:36:41.270 Anyway, I regret this. I think that Sean is boring 1:36:41.350 --> 1:36:46.900 as shit. I think he... I don't know, man. These people. 1:36:48.700 --> 1:36:49.820 Info Wars is thin. 1:36:49.979 --> 1:36:50.439 Yeah. 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:53.260 I don't even think that he works for Info Wars. 1:36:53.380 --> 1:36:54.560 I think he's just adjacent. 1:36:54.620 --> 1:36:54.900 Yeah. 1:36:55.150 --> 1:36:58.889 And, like, this is the kind of, like, media talent 1:36:58.910 --> 1:37:00.610 we've got around. It's bad news. 1:37:00.910 --> 1:37:01.670 Yeah. 1:37:02.050 --> 1:37:05.610 I watched a couple of Owen's shows, and they're terrible 1:37:05.650 --> 1:37:08.840 and pathetic, right? But I think there's something interesting going 1:37:08.939 --> 1:37:11.040 on there. There's nothing going on with this guy. 1:37:11.060 --> 1:37:11.820 No, this is brutal. 1:37:11.960 --> 1:37:12.560 Yeah. Yeah. 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:13.640 This is emptiness. 1:37:13.660 --> 1:37:15.980 So I will not return to the Sean Johnson well. 1:37:16.000 --> 1:37:18.719 Yeah. I bet his triceps are great, though. 1:37:18.740 --> 1:37:19.000 So good. 1:37:19.020 --> 1:37:20.670 I bet they are fucking tight. 1:37:21.130 --> 1:37:22.870 And you know what? I would love it if he 1:37:22.910 --> 1:37:23.589 was my trainer. 1:37:23.729 --> 1:37:23.929 Yeah. 1:37:23.950 --> 1:37:26.090 Because I think it would be adversarial. Sure. And I 1:37:26.130 --> 1:37:28.050 think that might be able to get a little more. 1:37:28.070 --> 1:37:29.870 That might get you an extra couple of sit-ups of 1:37:29.890 --> 1:37:31.430 being like, I got to tell you, you suck! 1:37:31.750 --> 1:37:32.090 Yes. 1:37:32.210 --> 1:37:33.309 I got to tell you, you suck! 1:37:33.689 --> 1:37:33.889 Yeah. 1:37:33.910 --> 1:37:34.939 I got to tell you, you suck! 1:37:35.220 --> 1:37:40.060 Yeah. So, Sean, I'd like to hire you as my trainer. 1:37:40.300 --> 1:37:42.120 All right. But I'll never listen to this dumb show 1:37:42.140 --> 1:37:45.740 ever again. But we'll be back with another episode about 1:37:45.979 --> 1:37:46.820 some other dumb bullshit. 1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:47.580 Indeed. 1:37:47.979 --> 1:37:49.639 But until then, we have a website. 1:37:49.660 --> 1:37:50.140 Indeed we do. 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:51.080 It's knowledgefight.com. 1:37:51.240 --> 1:37:53.830 Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. 1:37:53.870 --> 1:37:56.150 I'm DZX Clark. I am the Mysterious Professor. 1:37:56.550 --> 1:37:56.810 Woo! 1:37:56.850 --> 1:37:57.330 Yeah! 1:37:57.370 --> 1:38:01.210 Woo! Yeah! Woo! And now here comes the sex robot. 1:38:01.450 --> 1:38:03.309 Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. 1:38:05.430 --> 1:38:05.969 Hello, Alex. 1:38:06.090 --> 1:38:07.710 I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. 1:38:07.790 --> 1:38:08.990 I love your work. I love you.