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Speaker 1: The reality for real celebrity Join the Breakfast Morning. Everybody

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Speaker 1: is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Scheloman, the Guy. We are

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, special guests in the building, Friend to

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Speaker 1: the room, the legendary bun b and Professor Anthony pen

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having us. This seems like a natural

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Speaker 1: transition for the og Bunby there launching a Religion and

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Speaker 1: the Hip Hop Culture online course. Yeah, we actually teach

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Speaker 1: the course presently at Rice University UM, but this is

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to take the conversation that we have in

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Speaker 1: the classroom outside of the classroom, which was always the

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Speaker 1: intention that Doc and I had for this version of

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Speaker 1: the course. Doc has actually been teaching a version of

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Speaker 1: this for over twenty years, Okay, and I came into

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Speaker 1: the mix of about four years ago. Explain the course, Doc,

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Speaker 1: what it looks at the intersections between religion and hip hop.

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Speaker 1: We believe that there's lots of commonalities that we really

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Speaker 1: need to explore. That both of these cultural developments have

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Speaker 1: had huge impact over the course of human history, and

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Speaker 1: if we don't wrestle with them, we do ourselves a disservice.

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Speaker 1: So we look at the links between hip hop and Christianity,

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Speaker 1: the links between hip hop and Islam, and then we

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Speaker 1: look at the ways in which hip hop in certain

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Speaker 1: circles has actually replaced these religious traditions. Religious folks mad

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Speaker 1: thing that Islam ain't got nothna do it no hip hop.

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Speaker 1: My Christianity ain't gonna do it no hip hop. Meek

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Speaker 1: Mills ain't men. Well, if you take Black churches, for example,

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Speaker 1: there's always been a love hate relationship between Black churches

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Speaker 1: and musical production begins with the blues. They have a

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Speaker 1: hard time with gospel, so of course they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a hard time with hip hop. But as soon as

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Speaker 1: jay Z says you're in the presence of a King,

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Speaker 1: scratched that you're in the presence of God, it's a

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Speaker 1: religious conversation that you gotta have. All When jay Z said,

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Speaker 1: Jesus can't save you life thoughts when the church ends again,

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Speaker 1: you got to have a conversation about that. Now, folks

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Speaker 1: and churches may not like that, but you gotta have

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Speaker 1: a conversation about it. So for me, this is long term.

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Speaker 1: I've spent a good number of years as a Christian

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Speaker 1: so trying to bring these two together in the context

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Speaker 1: not always pleasant, but in part church folks and Muslims

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Speaker 1: time to have a conversation. So do you break down

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Speaker 1: rap lyrics? Like if I said that line, y'all would

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Speaker 1: break down what that means? Yeah, that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's where I come in at. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then I have my interpretation of

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Speaker 1: we have different students that have different interpretations of these things.

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Speaker 1: Can you give us an example of like a song

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Speaker 1: Z line. I would love to hear that, like Jesus

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Speaker 1: can't save you life starts from the church. Well, I

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Speaker 1: mean that's basically his outlook on basically the neglect that

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean Christianity. We talk about the churches, you know,

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Speaker 1: look at the millennials. The millennials, they're not running away

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people now a moundern times don't

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Speaker 1: and that's definitely you know, topics of conversation that we

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Speaker 1: the sole purpose of this course is not to sit

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Speaker 1: You got a degree or something like that. I don't

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Speaker 1: So I had one of my students, Andrea Matthews, reach

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Speaker 1: We had a conversation in my office and it was

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Speaker 1: So I asked if he'd be willing to co teach

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Speaker 1: How do y'all feel about Kanye calling himself Jesus? I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that don't come up. Well, I mean that has

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Speaker 1: So tell me what's the different between that and religion.

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Speaker 1: You also can't let churches off the hook, right. The

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Speaker 1: But I just it's kind of like, you know, some

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Speaker 1: I don't have my hip hop with my church. It

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have a problem with your hip hop.

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Speaker 1: Well that's where we go to more and more churches.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it's always a business first, and that's

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Speaker 1: it maybe you're following somebody that that's pulling you away, right,

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases, hip hop make you helps you

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Speaker 1: in a better way. Now, when we talk about this,

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Speaker 1: like I said, you know, people confuse rap songs with

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