1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. I'm Lynn Hoffman and this is the 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me Podcast and we are so glad you 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: are here. And by the way, if you're so inclined, 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: I host another podcast called Comedy Save Me, and my 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: sister podcasts Taken a Walk hosted by Buzznight and Taken 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: a Walk in Nashville with Sarah Harrelson. They're also great 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: companion music related health podcasts, so I'd love it if 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: you could check them out too. Now, imagine being heartbroken 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: in the mountains of Spain and then stumbling upon a 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: circle of people chanting, and in that moment, music becomes medicine. 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Well that's exactly what happened to today's guest, and it 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: changed the entire course of his life. I'm so lucky. 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: My guest today is Redika Das, a London based Kreton artist, 14 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: Bakti yoga teacher and one of the most compelling voices 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: in the global conscious music movement. He's performed over thirty 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: eight thousand people worldwide in a single year, with sold 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: out shows the UK, Europe, North America, Australia, India, and 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: his work has taken him to more than thirty cities 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: and countries, including prestigious venues like the British Museum and 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: London's Union Chapel. He is a popular podcast called for 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: Soul's Sake in a book called Mantra Meditation, The Life 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: Changing Secret of Connection, Joy and Calm, millions of followers, 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of impressions across social media platforms, and 24 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: now he's bringing his uplifting light to American shores with 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: his brand new EP, Lightfall, and a North American tour 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: that kicks off May fifth, hitting La New York, Chicago, 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Seattle, and Canada. At a time when the 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: world feels more turbulent than ever, Redeka Das is on 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: a mission to remind us all what music, both ancient 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: and timeless can do for the human soul. Radeka Das 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: is next right here on Music Save Me. You're not 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: going to want to miss this Music Saved Me. Ridka, 33 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: welcome to Music Save Me. It's so great to meet you. 34 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: I thank you so much, len I was said, grateful 35 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: for your introduction. I'm so happy to be here with you. 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: I am happy you are here, and I hope our 37 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: listeners are buckled up because this is a this is 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: going to be a very enlightening conversation. I can already 39 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: feel it now. I've read that you've been fascinated by 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: music from a very young age, and you described stumbling 41 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: into Kirtan while heartbroken in the mountains of Spain, Kirton 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: being very chanting, and this type of music hits you 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: like medicine for the very first time. Can you take 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: us back to that moment kind of describe what it 45 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: felt like and did you know right then and there 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: that your life had just changed. 47 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question. I think then we 48 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: learn more from rock bottoms than we do from mountaintops. 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: You know, when we're really down and hurt and frustrated 50 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: with the world, we start to seek ons as we 51 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: start to try and answer the questions of the moment 52 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: or the questions of our life. And I needed a 53 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 2: moment of kind of being rock bottom. Beautiful girlfriend dumping 54 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: me over text message while I was in Spain, and 55 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: I had a moment where I was surrounded by chanting, 56 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 2: surrounded by Kuratan, and I had a choice. I either 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: get stuck in with what looked like some crazy music 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 2: that people were crying and dancing and joyous and meditating 59 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: to or I go to my room and try and 60 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: furiously try to text back my girlfriend who wasn't getting 61 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: any of my messages because the signal was so crap. 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: And so I decided in that moment to try something different. 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: And I now understand it as being a moment because see, 64 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: by doing the same things again and again and expecting 65 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: different results, that's the definition of insanity. And so I 66 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: thought to myself, Okay, I've got an opportunity to try 67 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: something quote unquote spiritual or what these people think is spiritual. 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: I got stuck in with them, and by the end 69 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: of it, I was in tears. I felt moved by 70 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: something greater than myself. I felt some sort of spiritual connection. 71 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: And I remember just feeling like I'd found something or 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: I'd found something familiar, something that I hadn't yet experienced, 73 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: maybe in this lifetime, but something that felt somewhat familiar. 74 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: And that was a moment for me because it opened 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: me up to the world of spirituality. And so I'm 76 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: grateful that it did happen all those years ago, and yeah, 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: now it's turned into my life. I've never dreamed this 78 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: would be the case, but here I am. Somehow or other, 79 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: sharing it, absorbing in it, loving it, and yeah, finding 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: many many many more answers in it too. 81 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Well, when you when you realized spirituality, when you when 82 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: you understood it more on a different level in your 83 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: life at that Yeah, now, kind of looking back, do 84 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: you know why some of us are so afraid to 85 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: understand that there is something larger than all of us 86 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: out there or what keeps some of us from understanding that? 87 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that because I think by nature human 88 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: beings love comfort and anything that disrupts your usual day 89 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: to day activities, anything that is out of the ordinary 90 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: that causes some discomfort feels like it's a bad thing. 91 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: But it's Maya Angelou who said something really powerful. She said, 92 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: the pain of discomfort. You know, the pain of being 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: involved in something different is uncomfortable. But the pain of 94 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: regret of not having tried to discover that which is 95 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 2: out of the ordinary, that pain is unbearable. So forget 96 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: about discomfort, what about unbear And I think most of us, 97 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: as human beings, we know that there is something beyond 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: and you know, we don't really want to put a 99 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: title on it. We sometimes are afraid of what people 100 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: will think of us if we are overtly you know, 101 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 2: believing in God or the divine or the spiritual or 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: you know, a universal consciousness, whatever you want to call that. 103 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: I know that people are nowadays, not so in the 104 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: wider world, open to talking about that so openly, But 105 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: there is a huge percentage of us that feels like 106 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: that there's something more. But I just, you know, I'm 107 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: not quite comfortable to get there yet. And I would 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: encourage people to step into the unknown. I would encourage 109 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: people to go and discover, because you know, life's too 110 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: short to go out in the dark with a feeling 111 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: of regret, a feeling of like I just didn't find 112 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 2: a courage to go out of my comfort zone. And 113 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: so it's very interesting that you're talking about that, because 114 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 2: I think it's something that I never expected to happen 115 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: in my life, but I'm very grateful that it did. 116 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: And I encourage people to do the same that if 117 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: you're feeling like life isn't going the way that you planned, 118 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: and it's not going the way that you dreamed, then 119 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 2: maybe step out of the ordinary, maybe step out of 120 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: the routine, step out of the comfort zone, and there 121 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: you might find something. 122 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: It's really really great advice. It really is. Now you 123 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: also combine this with yoga, which I want to get 124 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: into with you as well, because there's something about that 125 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: as well. Just getting in touch with yourself on the 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: inside looking inward. I think it's another thing as humans 127 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: have a problem doing, looking into our own self. And 128 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: there's a saying that I learned a long time ago 129 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: that I always felt, you know, made sense, And when 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: everything seems so bleak and confusing, I always fall back 131 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: on it and it makes so much sense. And that 132 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: is life is ten percent what happens to you. And 133 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: I wish I could remember who quoted this, but ninety 134 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: percent how you choose to deal with what comes at 135 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: you from life. 136 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: Sure I would agree with that. 137 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't you know, it's it's hard to 138 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: get there sometimes, we're all there's so much coming at 139 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: all of us every day. But your new EP, which 140 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: is very exciting, it's called Lightfall and it was recorded 141 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: at Bear Creek Studios in Seattle with just a Grammy 142 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: nominated engineer, Ryan Hadlock, who's the guy behind records like 143 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: the Lumineers in Brandy Carlisle, which is really cool. Now, 144 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Cureton Music is traditionally long expansive. I would almost describe 145 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: it not like a jam band, but like a jam 146 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: a band who's jamming. Yeah, what was the creative challenge 147 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: of shaping these ancient chants into songs that work for 148 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: a modern listener today? 149 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. 150 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: People don't want to sit around and meditate for half 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: an hour. That feels like too long, especially when nowadays 152 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: are real on Instagram is only a minute in thirty 153 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: seconds To try and capture people's attention towards spirituality and 154 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: towards a life less ordinary already, there's a challenge right there. 155 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: And I think that nowadays we are a more global audience. 156 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: We will listen to music even if we don't understand 157 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: the lyrics, we don't understand the language. But I think 158 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 2: that what the challenge for me always is going to 159 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: be to try and encourage people to, yeah, to listen 160 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: to music that's going to be ultimately for their own benefit, 161 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: and not just to encourage them towards materialism, but to 162 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: encourage them towards spirituality. And to do that in three minutes, 163 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: I mean, foa, it was a challenge. But Ryan Hadlock, 164 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: who's the producer behind the EP, who is the Grammy 165 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: nominated incredible soul that believed in what I was doing. 166 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: I think the reason why I decided to back him 167 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: on this project was because he was really invested. He 168 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,479 Speaker 2: really understood my angle. I think some of my English 169 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: charm rubbed up on him and he felt like, Okay, 170 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: this is something. This is something that the world needs, 171 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: something that the world's looking for, and if we can 172 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: give it to them in a way that they can, 173 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: almost like a suite in a medicine, you know, if 174 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 2: you can add a little sugar to it and make 175 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: it sound appealing and try and sing soulfully, I think 176 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: I'll transmit into the ear and into the heart of people. 177 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: So it was a challenge, but I think that we 178 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: kind of got there. 179 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: I like how you use your British accent to there 180 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: is something about that I have to say, yeah, stand 181 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: up and pay more attention when people have an access like. 182 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what Brits are softies for American acts 183 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: and so don't want it works both ways. 184 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: Oh really, I never heard that before. Very cool. Well, 185 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: the message for right now the epe's title Lightfall, and 186 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: this idea of bringing light into darkness that you've talked 187 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: about feels very intentional and it sounds like what you 188 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: just said it was when when you kind of look 189 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: at the world right now, Rideka, what does what draws 190 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: you to stay rooted in that positive message? Do you 191 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: ever feel like the weight of what's happening around you? 192 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I totally feel you. We live in an interesting. 193 00:10:53,960 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: World, a world that's divided, that's polarized, that's easily negative 194 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: and easily swayed towards harm and hate. But I also 195 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: believe that human beings, when given a chance, can also 196 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: move towards hope and kindness. You know, you give people 197 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: half a chance to be kind. You know, London is 198 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 2: a little bit more harsh. You know, there was one 199 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: moment on a train where I was listening to some 200 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: Cure Time music on my AirPods and the fellow opposite me, 201 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 2: he looked at me while I was smiling and you know, 202 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 2: in my own happiness, and he said, what's your problem? 203 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: Mate? 204 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: Brits are quite harsh, But you give people half a chance, 205 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: and you say, hey, how are you so nice to 206 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 2: meet you? Especially the American folk. You know you're going 207 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: to get return with kindness. And I think, you know, 208 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: the whole point of Lightfall for me was reminding people 209 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: of their joyous, connected, spiritual essence. And you know, when 210 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: you say what gives me hope or what gives me 211 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: the ability to see the light in a world that's 212 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: filled with darkness. I like to think of the analogy 213 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 2: of a candle in a cave. Have you had that 214 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 2: one before? 215 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Land No? 216 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So imagine a cave that's been engulfed in darkness 217 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: for thousands of years, and all of a sudden, someone 218 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: just brings a little, itsy bitsy candle into that cave, 219 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: and the entire candle will illuminate the entire cave, no. 220 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: Matter how small it is. 221 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: And I think that's what it is, that even if 222 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: you live in a world that is surrounded by so 223 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: much harshness and frustration and divisiveness and whatever other words 224 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: I could come up with, I don't think we'll do it. 225 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: Credit I think a little light goes a long way. 226 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: And I think that not only do I want the 227 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: music to shine like that, but I also want to 228 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: try and develop as a human being to be like 229 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: that to whoever I meet, wherever I go, to try 230 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: and bring a little bit of joy, whatever that might 231 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: be in my mind, and knowing that it will go 232 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: a long way, or believing that it will go a 233 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 2: long way. 234 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: And I think that belief has been. 235 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: Backed up by all the thousands of people that have 236 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: come to Constant. We did this incredible concert two weeks 237 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: ago that held fifteen almost fifteen thousand people in chant, 238 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: and Yeah, there were all of different religions and different backgrounds, 239 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: and coming together to chant with them made me feel like, Okay, 240 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: here's my little piece of light in their cave of 241 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: perhaps darkness and times, and I hope it's illuminating it. 242 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: So not only am I. 243 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: A believer in the hope and the light and all 244 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, but I'm also seeing it happen 245 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: that if you can somehow be an ambassador for love 246 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: and peace. We've got ambassadors for different countries, but all 247 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 2: about an ambassador for love and peace, then if it's 248 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: done relevantly and charmingly and icually presented, I don't see 249 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: why it wouldn't work. 250 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. And you be the light, yeah, 251 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: is basically what you're trying to portray through your music 252 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: and the chanting. I can't even imagine the goose bumps 253 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: and the feeling it is when you have that many 254 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: people altogether chanting at the same time. It must be unbelievable. 255 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's what does. 256 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: It feel like to you when you're when you're motivating 257 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: all of this to happen. When you feel that, when 258 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: you get that back from the people listening to you, 259 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: and that feeling, what is going for your mind? 260 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: I feel like I was I feel like it's what 261 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 2: I was born to do. It feels very natural. And see, 262 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: I get nervous like any human being given the particular circumstance, 263 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: like I get nervous when I have to file taxes 264 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: because I'm not so good at numbers. 265 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: Everybody. 266 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah right, But you know, when you're in your element, 267 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: like you in a podcast, it is clear like you 268 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: were born to do this. You're born to be in 269 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: front of a microphone, You're born in to be in 270 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: front of a camera and lights, and you feel natural 271 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: in that environment. And I feel the same. I feel 272 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 2: like when you're in front of that many thousands of people. 273 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: Even though yes, it's known that the number one fear 274 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: of most people is to be on stage and to 275 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: publicly speak, I feel like I'm very natural then, and 276 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: I feel I can be myself. I don't have to 277 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: be duplicious, like this is me in my presenter mode, 278 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: and when I'm at home with my kids and my 279 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: wife then I'm a completely different person. So it feels 280 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: very natural. I would say that's the first thing that 281 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: comes to mind. And the second thing it makes me 282 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: feel is can I say the G word on this podcast? 283 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're referring to, but of 284 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,359 Speaker 1: course you can say anything on this podcast. 285 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 2: I feel close to God. I feel like, yeah, you know, 286 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: have I seen God? No, not in the way that 287 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: I dream, But I feel like the presence or the 288 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: handprints of God and Divinity in my life are very 289 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: very present. And that happens a lot on stage. It 290 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: feels well, when I'm in a kind of motive to 291 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: be an instrument of service or an instrument of grace, 292 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: then I feel really close to what I think God is. 293 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: That is so special and it's coming right through you 294 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: going out to all of those people, and it's such 295 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: a gift that you want to share, which is so 296 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: important too. 297 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: I try my best. 298 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more of the music Safany podcast. 299 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Music Save Me Podcast. 300 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: One of the tracks is called and I hope I'm 301 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: saying it correctly Sita, Rama Jaya amazing. Is that is 302 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: that right? 303 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? 304 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: It's a chant of the divine names uh, Sita and Rama. 305 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: For someone who's never experienced kirtan before, how would you 306 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: explain what happens when you chant those names specifically and 307 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: what does it do to you and to a room? 308 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: And I suspect it similar to what we've just discussed, Yeah, 309 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: but more. 310 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, caretime. 311 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: It comes from the root word kurt, which means to 312 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: praise or to glorify, and the idea is that you're 313 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: praising and glorifying something higher than yourself. Nowadays, we only 314 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: glorify people when they get a promotion at work. You 315 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: only glorifying, you know, praise people when they've done something 316 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: good for the world. Maybe you sing the praises on 317 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 2: their birthday. No one is rute to another person on 318 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: that birth you know, you only say a little bit 319 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: of things that you notice about them. But when was 320 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: the last time we took time out to glorify, to praise, 321 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: to celebrate the spiritual and so Kurtan does just that 322 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: and it only takes a few minutes to learn. It's 323 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: not really that difficult. You might even look at it 324 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: from the outskirts when you look on my YouTube channel, 325 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: you might be like, oh, this is kind of like karaoke, right, 326 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: And it kind of feels like that at times. 327 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: But the meanings of the. 328 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: Syllables and the lyrics, they are divine by nature, and 329 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: they create emotions that make you feel happy and make 330 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 2: you feel peaceful, and make you feel ecstatic and make 331 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: you feel reflective. And Sita Ramjai is a beautiful chant 332 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: that literally means Sita means the divine feminine, that brings 333 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: about compassion in your heart. Rama means the reservoir of joy, 334 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: the source of happiness, and Jai means hallelujah to that, glory, 335 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: to that victory, to that. And so when you're changing 336 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 2: Sita Amjaya, even though, okay, I'll be honest with you, 337 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: that particular track it's meant to get your grooving and 338 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: dancing and not what you'd expect from a spiritual track. 339 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 2: It's it's very much a groovy arp the dance worthy 340 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: when you're in your pajamas in the morning, slap it 341 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 2: on and get you in a good mood kind of song. 342 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: I still think that, yeah, regardless of how it's presented musically, 343 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: the syllables have an effect on the consciousness. And let 344 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 2: me give you an example. And this might still not 345 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: be landing for you and your audience, but imagine if 346 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: I asked you to sit here and chant I don't 347 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: know coca cola, and I told you to just sit 348 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 2: there and chant Coca cola, Coca cola, cool, cool, Look, 349 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: eventually start to think of that item, You start to 350 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: consider what the taste is like, you might get a 351 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: bit of an image of what the brand looks like, 352 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: and eventually you'll be like, I need to hit some 353 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: of that Coca cola. 354 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: I'm getting thirsty. 355 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 2: So in the same way, when you chance see that 356 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: AROUNDI at the beginning, you may not even know what's 357 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: going on. But after some time, just being with a syllable, 358 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: being with that sound vibration, you might start grooving. You 359 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 2: might start moving, you might start internally shifting towards a 360 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: lifeless ordinary, and you'll think, oh my god, that was easy, 361 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: just takes a minute to learn, and it's done A 362 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: world of good. It's done more than I expected in 363 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: my heart, and that's the idea behind Kirton that particular 364 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: chant hope that explained it. 365 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: Well, yes it did actually even more so than what 366 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: I read. Oh amazing, And it's beautiful And it doesn't 367 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: really matter what's you know, what's ailing you, if you 368 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: know personally or professionally or spiritually. It touches you in 369 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: myriad ways, which is really incredible. And it's not it's 370 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: not polarizing music either. It's it's something that yeah, it's 371 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: kind of indescribable almost. 372 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: Some of the things that people get fearful of when 373 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 2: it comes to this particular music is is it going 374 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: to convert me? And I'm going to tell you right now, no, 375 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 2: it's not meant to. There's nothing to convert to happiness. Hey, 376 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: it's going to transform you. It's going to change your consciousness, 377 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: your awareness, but in a way that's going to just 378 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 2: bring you towards elevated state of awareness. And I'd say 379 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: that that's what we're looking for. You know, why do 380 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: you drink a cup of coffee Because you're trying to 381 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 2: change your consciousness. You're trying to wake up, you're trying 382 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: to be alert, you're trying to be with it. Why 383 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: do you go and do that work out? 384 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: Yes, because you. 385 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 2: Want to look good. You want to transform the body, 386 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: but you also want to transform the sluggish mind. You 387 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: want to get out there, you want to get the 388 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 2: endorsements popping around the body. So in the same way, 389 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: i'd recommend someone that's approaching this music for the first 390 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 2: time to do it with that feeling of this is 391 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: going to be good for my heart, this is going 392 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: to be good for my mind, this is going to 393 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 2: be good for my consciousness. And I think it does 394 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: just that has changed my life, is transform my life, 395 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: and I wanted to do it for everyone. 396 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: And what made you decide that you had to share 397 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: this with the world when you first learned about it. 398 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: What was that moment where you were like, this is 399 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: what I'm going to do with this. 400 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: I think it was just a response from people in general. 401 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: Like I remember when I first came across this, I 402 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: decided I want to share it. And the first time 403 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: I ever shared it you'll laugh at this now. I 404 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: remember it was a room in London, which would ordinarily 405 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: hold I don't know about one hundred people, and i'd 406 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: convince my friends my fellow band members to join me 407 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 2: on the promise of a free vegan burger at the 408 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: end of because I had no money at the time. 409 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 2: And we're sitting at the front, four or five of us, 410 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 2: ready to perform, ready to share, and the room's empty, 411 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: and it hits ten past seven, twenty past seven, half 412 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: past seven point thirty. No one's come, and I'm like, 413 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 2: you know what, guys, let's just start. You know, We'll 414 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 2: just we'll sing to the walls, we'll sing to our God, 415 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: we'll sing to divinity to let's just let's just start. 416 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 2: So we start share it. We start singing Kirtan in 417 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: a call and response fashion, and then all of a sudden, 418 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: the door cracks open and one lady pops her head 419 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: in and she looks and there's only four of us 420 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: at the front, and she does a serious slow closing 421 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: of the door to try and back. I was like, no, no, 422 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: come inside, come, come, come, come, come and sit down, 423 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: Come and sit there to be with us. So she 424 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: nervously comes and sits at the front. She gets her cushion, 425 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: her bolster, and she's sitting there and she's like swaying. 426 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: And then I close my eyes and then I opened 427 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: my eyes and she's lying down on the floor. I'm like, okay, 428 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 2: this is interesting. And then I kept saying and I 429 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 2: was like, okay, you know, maybe we need to get 430 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: a bit more up temper with this. Wee's chant a 431 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: little bit more exuberantly and joyfully. And then before you 432 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: know it, I opened my eyes and she's gone. And 433 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: so then I thought, wow, this is I don't know 434 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 2: if people are ready for this. I don't know if 435 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 2: people really want this, but something in me, I don't 436 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: know whether it was intuition, whether it was some sort 437 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 2: of like spiritual guide, or whether it was I don't 438 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: know what it was, but something kept telling me keep going. 439 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: And so that one person that backed out out of 440 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: the room turned into ten people, turned into one hundred, 441 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 2: turned into a thousand, turn into ten thousand, turn into 442 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: fifteen thousand, and it's going to a point where it's 443 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: obvious that the world needs this, that it's not based 444 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: on a particular cast, culture, creed, religion. Now come as 445 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: you are and walk away feeling like something shifted. 446 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: Well, that's an amazing story, and you know, it's very familiar. 447 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Though a lot of artists starting out played two empty rooms, 448 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: and I think you had the right obviously attitude to 449 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: continue and to push forward. So you listen to your instinct, 450 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: which I think is another thing that we all It's 451 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: really what you help us to do with what you're 452 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: doing is to hear our inner voice, and a lot 453 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: of times we don't listen to that as much as 454 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: we should. And like you said too earlier, you know, 455 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: repeating the same thing is the. 456 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: Definition of insanity. 457 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: Insanity because you're never going to get the same You're 458 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: always going to get the same outcome. So all of 459 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: this is connected. It's so cool because you're headlining in 460 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: cities like New York, Chicago, La Seattle. This is a 461 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: big deal and you've built this from as you mentioned, 462 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: intimate chance thing sessions into you know in London, into 463 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: sold out weekly shows and then major events and international venues. 464 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: When you walk into a room, say in Chicago or 465 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: San Francisco, places that aren't really traditional Bakty strongholds, and 466 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: you watch people surrender to something that they may have 467 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: never encountered before, how does that make you feel? Especially 468 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: these big cities. I may have asked this before, but 469 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: this is different because you're really going into uncharged. 470 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: Uncharted territory, And I think it's a really good question. 471 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: I would say it makes me feel overwhelmingly hopeful. 472 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 3: See if one person. 473 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: Walks away from that experience, and even if it doesn't 474 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: transform their life, but it creates a reaction of one 475 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 2: act of loving kindness. If it just creates one act 476 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: of loving kindness out of a reaction of that concert, 477 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 2: I'd say that that's a domino effect that's going to 478 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: change many lives. You know, we just sometimes don't know 479 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: how one sentence of kindness and love in the direction 480 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: of it, even a stranger, can completely change. There was 481 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: one situation I was in India. This is a crazy 482 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: story where I went to a temple and this person 483 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 2: had no idea who I was. It wasn't like a 484 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: celebrity fan moment, nothing like that. But they said to 485 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: me can They asked me, very kindly, They said can. 486 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 3: I speak to you? 487 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, sure, sure, what's up? And they 488 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: revealed to me that this was the day that they 489 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 2: were going to contemplate taking their own life. And I 490 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: was in shock and I didn't know quite what to do. 491 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: I just gave him a tight hug. I sat with them, 492 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: and I bought them breakfast, and I spent half a 493 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: day with that person. And the next day I saw 494 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: that person still living and happy. And I don't know 495 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: where that person is now. I didn't keep in contact 496 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: with that person, But I just believe in the power 497 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 2: of one at random loving kindness that if you face 498 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: yourself in front of someone that clearly needs some love, 499 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: clearly needs some just an arm around the shoulder, just 500 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: a word or a sentence that will shift them away 501 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: from perhaps doing something that they're going to regret in 502 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: their future, then I feel like that's going to create 503 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: ripple effects far beyond what we can ever understand. And 504 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: so how it makes me feel when I'm in front 505 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 2: of uncharted territory is here are a thousand people, two 506 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: thousand people who I don't know how many people they'll 507 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 2: be in Chicago, but however many there are, this is 508 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: an opportunity for meet to encourage people to walk out 509 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: into the world and be agents of change. And whatever 510 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 2: way that looks like. It doesn't need to be big. 511 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be in front of a microphone, 512 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't need to be you know, legislative, it doesn't 513 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 2: need to be that they need to run for a 514 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: political party. 515 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: That's not what I'm looking for. 516 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 2: Just that they go home and they're loving with their wife, 517 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: loving with their husband, loving with their children, loving with 518 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: the neighbor, and that might be the domino effect that 519 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 2: creates something much wider and scale. And so it brings 520 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 2: me great hope. That's what makes me. 521 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: Feel to be the best version of yourself. 522 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, this music for me, and I think it's going 523 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 2: to save others. That's the reason I'm on this podcast. 524 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: I was going to say to you. I was just 525 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: about to say that your whole premise is the same 526 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: premise of why Buzz and I got together to even 527 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: do these series of podcasts. Because even if one person 528 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: listening right now is like, ooh, this sounds like something 529 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: for me, and they come see you and then all 530 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: of a sudden their life changes for the better, then 531 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: this whole conversation was worth it for one person. Yeah, 532 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's just it's an amazing feeling. 533 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 2: Is and even deeper than that, one of my teachers 534 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: said it really beautifully that we need to plant seeds 535 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 2: for trees under who's shade we do not wish to sit. 536 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 2: So what we're doing, what you're doing with this podcast, 537 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: and what I'm trying to do with my music is 538 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 2: to plant seeds for trees that will grow under whose 539 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: shade we'll never sit. We'll never know, we'll never know 540 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: whether that person actually made a difference in their life, 541 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: made a change in their life. I'm sure you've met 542 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: so many people that listen to the podcast that will 543 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: give you the feedback while that really moved me, and 544 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: that really changed and shifted something from me, and so 545 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: that gives you encouragement. And in the same way when 546 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: people tell me about my music, doing that gives me encouragement. Okay, 547 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: it looks like I found my way to serve others. 548 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: I've found my way to love others I will never 549 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: ever meet, maybe again. So here we go, agents of change. 550 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: Agents. I love it. That almost sounds like it could 551 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: be a move. Oh and we could wear cap Let's 552 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: sign up on track you gave. You've been doing this 553 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: rideka for over sixteen years now, and I'm sure it 554 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: just feels like yesterday, because everything to me just feels 555 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: like yesterday, Like I'm just getting started right now. How 556 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: is this possible? Right for soul's sake? You have a 557 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: podcast and you talk about all wonderful things like what 558 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: we're talking about here and more. And now with this 559 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: new chapter with Lightfall, where is Redeka Dask going? And 560 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: what does music still have left to save? 561 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: Wow? Those are two massive questions. Where am I going? 562 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: I don't know. 563 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: I hope I'm going on a journey of in a 564 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: self discovery to better myself and try and better those 565 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: around me and serve those around me. But what does 566 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: that look like? 567 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: Tangibly? 568 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: I want to be acknowledged or rather not me specifically 569 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: by I want the music and the genre of music 570 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: that I'm presenting to be acknowledged as a real, mainstream 571 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: way in which people can change hearts and change consciousness. 572 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: You know, we know about substances, we know about you know, exercise, 573 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: and we know about changing your social circles, and we 574 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: know about the four am club and ice baths and whatnot, 575 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 2: and all of these things have come in the last 576 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: ten years. People are talking more and more about the 577 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: different ways in which lifestyle can affect your mind and 578 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: your awareness. And if this music can be another acclaimed 579 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: and known way to really help people, then I feel 580 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: like that would be my life's swan song. 581 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: I'd be all right, Cole. 582 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: I did my job and if not, then I'll pass 583 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: on the bat and to someone who can take it 584 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: that far. And then the second question you asked me 585 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: was around saving. What did you ask again? 586 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 3: What was that? 587 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: What do you think music still has left to save? 588 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: In one sense, there's nothing, because you know, all chords 589 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: are used and creatively. I don't think there's really much 590 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: more out. It's going to kind of be a regurgitation 591 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 2: of the old. They say that if you really want 592 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: to really cool a new idea, then read some really 593 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: old books. 594 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 4: Oh. 595 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: I think it's going to be the same with music. 596 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: If you want to get some new ideas, you've got 597 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: to go back in time because a lot of it's 598 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: been done in some shape or form. And so I 599 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: think in that sense, I don't think there's really much 600 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: that is saved or left. But I think that what 601 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 2: is and can be presented is how music can lift 602 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 2: you above and beyond a life of ordinary frustrations. I 603 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: think that that's some important to acknowledge that. Yeah, you know, 604 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: we've got a playlist. Okay, let me put it this way. 605 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: You've got a playlist for when you're in love. You've 606 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: got a playlist for when you're cooking, You've got to 607 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: play this from when you're driving, You've got to play 608 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: this from when you're at the gym. Well, what about 609 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: the playlist for the soul? And so I think that 610 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: that's what's left to come out. I think it's coming. 611 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: I think we're in a wave of something. We're hearing 612 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: more and more hill song, We're hearing more and more 613 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: devotional tracks out there. We're seeing Sewn Mendes in front 614 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: of a harmonium, We're seeing Coldplay presenting spiritual messaging in 615 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: their concerts. I think it's coming. I think something's coming. 616 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: Watch this space. 617 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: I you know what. I can hear it now. And 618 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: this year's Best New Artist Grammy Award goes to Kirtan 619 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: Redika does thank you so much. 620 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: I do you know. 621 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: We've seen a lot of genres come up through the 622 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: years and be recognized, and this is definitely one to 623 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: watch and grow with. And it seems to be extremely 624 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: like healthy in so many ways. 625 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: So greatful to you for giving it a platform. Thank 626 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: you so much for having me on here and let 627 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 2: me ramble on in my beautiful English accent. 628 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you could talk to me all day. 629 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: In fact, you want to record my outgoing message on 630 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: the phone, that would be great. I'd love to we 631 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: can chant it together. Thank you so much, Ridica coming on, 632 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: for coming on the show and sharing your story, and 633 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 1: best of luck to you with the tour and the podcast. 634 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: For Soul's sake, the book called Mantra Meditation The life 635 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: Changing Secret of Connection, joy and calm and everything that 636 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: you're doing. And I hope you come back and check 637 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: in with us from time to time and let us 638 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: know what's new in your world. 639 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I'll always on sea cool. Thank you so. 640 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: Much, and if you want to find out more, just 641 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: check out rodicas dot com. It's all there. 642 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 4: I'm buzs Night and thanks for listening to Lynn Hoffman 643 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 4: and the music Save Met podcast produced by Buzznight Media Productions. 644 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: Please check out our other show, Taken a Walk Nashville 645 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: hosted by Sarah Harrilson, Comedy Save Me hosted by Lynn Hoffman, 646 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: and Taken a Walk hosted by Yours Truly. 647 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 4: All shows are available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and are 648 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 4: part of the iHeart podcast Network.