WEBVTT - Restructuring at Meta, Ugly Day For Apple

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<v Speaker 1>From the heart of where innovation, money and power collive

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Valley and Beyon this is Bloomberg Technology with

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<v Speaker 1>Emily Jay Imed Ludlow in New York in Family Chang

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Technology. Coming up in the next hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg warns Meta employees that are restructuring is on

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<v Speaker 1>the horizon. The company is implementing a hiring freeze and

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<v Speaker 1>will shrink teams to quote, shift energy to other areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Will share more of the transcript obtained by Bloomberg. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple gets downgraded following Bloomberg's report about iPhone production, and

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<v Speaker 1>now we're learning of a high profile executive leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>company after a crude TikTok of him went viral. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to talk about the sell off. Across financial markets,

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<v Speaker 1>the S and P five drops to a twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>month flow as the fed hawks circle, Big Tech takes

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<v Speaker 1>some beating. I want to get straight to that Micron

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<v Speaker 1>conversation and bring in Joanne Pheeny and Advisors, capital management

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<v Speaker 1>partner and portfolio manager Joe and give me a second one.

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<v Speaker 1>I bring you some of the headlines Micron seeing first

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<v Speaker 1>quarter of fiscal first quarter adjusting revenue four to five

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<v Speaker 1>four point five billion dollars. The estimate, of course six

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars, but some of the commentary around the slow

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<v Speaker 1>down in demand and supply catching up is pretty astonishing.

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<v Speaker 1>We're down much more considerably, and after ours, we've paired

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<v Speaker 1>some of those losses. What's your read on what we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing from Micron. Yeah, you know, pretty clear investors really

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<v Speaker 1>accepting a pretty weak guide from Micron, and that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they got. But I think they are reassured that Micron

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<v Speaker 1>is cutting capecks by That's what investors were looking for

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<v Speaker 1>and indicates that micro is gonna be real careful about

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<v Speaker 1>adding to the problem. Clearly, we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>supply from the memory makers and not enough to may

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<v Speaker 1>have particularly because of the PC weakness that we're seeing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they expect PC ship this' to be down

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<v Speaker 1>related to memory, and so you know they're taking the

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<v Speaker 1>right steps. But that just shows you memory is a

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<v Speaker 1>very very tricky place to invest. It's very cyclical. But

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<v Speaker 1>let's try and throw this forward. We kind of look

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<v Speaker 1>to Micron as if it's a crystal ball of what's

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<v Speaker 1>to come in the global economy. What is the story

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to consumer electronics in which geographies are

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<v Speaker 1>we most concerned about. Well, you know, I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a worldwide slowdown in some consumer demand, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>Micron is going to pick that up. The real question

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<v Speaker 1>is what's happening beyond the consumer in particular. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have a lot of good data points and

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<v Speaker 1>suggests auto and industrial remains strong. They're still shortages there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna take probably another year to work those through.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So, you know, companies like Texas Instruments are wealth

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<v Speaker 1>positioned for that. We continue to like them, We've held

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<v Speaker 1>them for a long time of clients. The real question

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<v Speaker 1>I think people are gonna be looking for on the

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<v Speaker 1>call as it continues is what's happening to cloud and

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<v Speaker 1>data center. There's some concerns that firms seeing some consumer

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<v Speaker 1>weakness might slow down their investments, But the long term

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<v Speaker 1>fact in that world is that data usage across all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of devices is going to continue to increase. We

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<v Speaker 1>need wider pipes, we need more storage. So ultimately, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>companies that play into that area, while they might suffer

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<v Speaker 1>a pause, are going to be really well positioned for

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<v Speaker 1>the long term for investors, and a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten cheap, whether it's a sienna or a broadcast. Joanna,

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<v Speaker 1>how did we get this so wrong? I remember talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you, talking to Iatan King, Bloomberg News Chip reporter

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<v Speaker 1>about the vision for a multi multi courter cycle that

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<v Speaker 1>would just go on indefinitely. This was going to happen

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of the pandemic. But that hasn't happened, has it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think what we got wrong all of

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<v Speaker 1>us was there was so much spending during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>and that really came on the heels of a very

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<v Speaker 1>strong period from to nineteen really through until the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>There are signs actually that inventory were starting to build

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<v Speaker 1>before the pandemic hit, and then that got disrupted by

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<v Speaker 1>the demandering the pandemic for PCs and everything else. And

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<v Speaker 1>so now we're starting to see that side really come off.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't let's not misconstrue the implications. I think cloud

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<v Speaker 1>and data sent A remains. There are concerns that firms

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<v Speaker 1>might take a bit of a pause on when they

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<v Speaker 1>do the installations, but that ultimately does still look like

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<v Speaker 1>a very strong segment of the market. So you really

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<v Speaker 1>have to pick and choose your semi conductor companies to

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<v Speaker 1>hold at this point. I love talking to you, Joanne,

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<v Speaker 1>because you've spent a lot of time looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>semiconductor industry, and you know you're an expert, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>also looking at the markets more broadly. Right I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it and has that one hundred down significantly? Again?

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<v Speaker 1>With four days into the week, we're going we're heading

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<v Speaker 1>towards another tough week in global equity markets with a

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<v Speaker 1>focus on tech. What is top of mind for investors

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<v Speaker 1>right now? Are we still not convinced by the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of travel for the FED that we can concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>global slow down spurred by inflation? What is the story

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<v Speaker 1>for you? You know, there are some real solid risks

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<v Speaker 1>out there for the global economy. I mean, the war

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<v Speaker 1>in Ukraine is is not trivial. There could be bigger

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<v Speaker 1>risks from that. The energy situation is a concern. The

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<v Speaker 1>amount of that central banks around the world have to

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<v Speaker 1>raise raids is a concern and will that lead to recessions?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably so the rodd slowdown that I think folks are

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<v Speaker 1>worried about this really has yet to resolve itself into

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<v Speaker 1>sort of how big, how deep, and how long it

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<v Speaker 1>will be and investors, you know, are concerned about how

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<v Speaker 1>much volatility they can stand. But if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>long enough time arizing, you have to look back at

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<v Speaker 1>history and recognize that the market sells off the most

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<v Speaker 1>tend to tend to do that before recessions begin, and

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<v Speaker 1>they take to storm to recover before we even know

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<v Speaker 1>officially that we've had a recession. And so for a

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<v Speaker 1>long enough term investor, and I mean a year, two years,

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<v Speaker 1>three years, there are some pretty good opportunities out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but one has to be able to stomach the volatility,

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't look like it's going to go away anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Stomaching the volatility. That should be my daily job title

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<v Speaker 1>Advisers Capital Partner, Jo Anthony. Thank you. Let's get back

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<v Speaker 1>to our top tech story. Meta has announced a hiring

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<v Speaker 1>freeze and warned employees and restructuring the Facebook parents first

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<v Speaker 1>ever head count cut. Let's bring in Bloomberg's Kurt Wagner,

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<v Speaker 1>who broke that story, but also Bloomberg Intelligence senior analyst

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<v Speaker 1>Man deep Seeing to discuss. Kurt, I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>with you set the scene for us. What do we

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<v Speaker 1>learn in the course of our repulity on Thursday? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was during a Q and A that happens

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<v Speaker 1>weekly between Mark Zuckerberg and all employees that Beta, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, uh, you know, hey, I promised you I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to come back with some uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ideas about where the budgets headed for three. And the

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<v Speaker 1>big news is there's gonna be hiring Freeze and that

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like most teams within Meta are going to

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<v Speaker 1>see their budgets reduced next year. And so how exactly

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna play out within each individual team is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be different. In some cases, you know, when someone

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<v Speaker 1>leaves a team, they're just not going to fill that

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<v Speaker 1>role again. Some people are going to be moving from

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<v Speaker 1>team to team, and then in some cases they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be kicking out low performers, right, which is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>drastic thing that we haven't seen that Facebook in a

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<v Speaker 1>long time or ever. And so this really just feels

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<v Speaker 1>like a moment, right this company that has been growing

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<v Speaker 1>and expanding for eighteen years finally hitting a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>an issue here. I want to show you life some

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<v Speaker 1>of what Mark Zuckerberg told Better employees on Thursday, these

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<v Speaker 1>comments obtained by Bloomberg News. There are a number of

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<v Speaker 1>ways to reduce the size of a group. Some teams

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<v Speaker 1>will transfer people to other teams that are growing. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of teams will choose not to backfill when somebody departs.

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<v Speaker 1>But ultimately he used the word shrink. Two questions. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a company that historically has not reduced headcount. But

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<v Speaker 1>what is the reality of what we're talking about here? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't get specific numbers. You may recall last week

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<v Speaker 1>the Wall Street Journal had a report that that met

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<v Speaker 1>Him might cut cost by ten percent, but that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>clear if that was just headcount or other things. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out, this is not a company that

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<v Speaker 1>has normally or historically ever done this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So any idea of shrinking that headcount from is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge deal because I think last quarter they added almost

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<v Speaker 1>six thousand employees and in the quarter, right, so the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that they're going in the other direction all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden is pretty notable. All right, let me bring

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<v Speaker 1>in Bloomberg Intelligent Senior Tech annaly Man deep saying this

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<v Speaker 1>is a company that face headwinds on the bottom line,

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<v Speaker 1>actually the top line as well. What is your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to this news. Well, the one thing is we know

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<v Speaker 1>every company in this space is doing that where you

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<v Speaker 1>heard that from Alphabet Snapchat, So it's not a total

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<v Speaker 1>surprise that they announced the hiring freeze. The problem for

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<v Speaker 1>meta is we don't have visibility to win that top

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<v Speaker 1>line growth will resume, not only because advertising is going

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<v Speaker 1>through a cyclical downturn, but also because of the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>that are meta specific, which is the pivot to videos,

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple's I d f A changes, They have the

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<v Speaker 1>largest exposure to direct response ads and look the reality

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<v Speaker 1>labs losses. They are really hurting because Facebook's metas free

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<v Speaker 1>cash flow went from thirty billion to less than ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion this year. That's huge. If you're an investor, you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking when will that thirty billion free cash flow return?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think we have the visibility. So on

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<v Speaker 1>your screen I pulled up meta reality lads. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm right in saying last quarter sales grew four

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty million odd, but the loss was almost three billion.

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<v Speaker 1>This is part of metas pivot to the metaverse. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it just that it's becoming too painful the cost in

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<v Speaker 1>the near term. Yeah, And as an investor you have

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, what are these spending three billion a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>on just they are taking the losses, but remember these

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<v Speaker 1>are recurring and you know, is it going on? Product

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<v Speaker 1>isn't going on just adding employees, which it looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they clearly over hired over the last two years.

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<v Speaker 1>But the recurring losses is what is mind boggling here

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<v Speaker 1>and the scale of you know, the losses. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you compare it to an alphabet or a snapchat, which

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<v Speaker 1>are also investing in meta words or a R v R,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't show up in their R and D spens.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where I think Meta really has to show

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<v Speaker 1>two investors what is it that they're spending all this

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<v Speaker 1>money on? What do we know about? What Zuckerberg to

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<v Speaker 1>say for the reasons behind this? Why now? Why are

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<v Speaker 1>they doing this? Well, you pointed to the macroeconomic environment, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is something that we've seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these tech companies, especially advertising based tech companies, talk about

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<v Speaker 1>over the last couple of months and couple of quarters,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, there's inflation, there's a war going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Europe. Uh, you see all of these things

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<v Speaker 1>kind of colliding and oftentimes when there is a recession

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<v Speaker 1>or any hint of a recession, the first budget that

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<v Speaker 1>tends to go with the marketing budget, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>when you're making money from advertising, it can be very

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<v Speaker 1>cyclical with you know, that's why we see a spike

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<v Speaker 1>at the holidays, right, same kind of thing. When there

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<v Speaker 1>are reductions in marketing spend because of other things going on,

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<v Speaker 1>these companies usually feel at first, and so that's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the reasoning for why they're cutting back

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<v Speaker 1>on these costs Mandate. There's also the other strategy, which

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<v Speaker 1>is to go off to video in a crowded field

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<v Speaker 1>with TikTok and YouTube and you and I've been discuss

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<v Speaker 1>saying about how the ad side of that business is tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Explain to me why, Well, not only you've got you know, TikTok,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also Netflix which is trying to get into ads,

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<v Speaker 1>and we know Amazon has been, uh, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 1>very well on the search side. So clearly this field

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<v Speaker 1>is getting crowded and metals problem is not only are

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<v Speaker 1>they losing engagement. Remember the time spent on beta, Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and Facebook properties is declining, even though their daily active

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<v Speaker 1>user growth is holding up, but their time spantas declining.

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<v Speaker 1>So the impressions growth is going down and ad pricing

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<v Speaker 1>is going down. So that's a double valmy. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>why pivoting to videos is just the wrong time, because

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<v Speaker 1>they are behind TikTok and all these other platforms and

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just gonna take more time. They don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the creator base that a TikTok has, so they have

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<v Speaker 1>to bring the creators. Guess what. There has to be

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<v Speaker 1>a revenue sharing model that's gonna eat into the gross margin.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of problems in terms of making that pivot.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they should have done that before pivoting to ours.

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<v Speaker 1>The battle for eyeballs continues. Bloomberg's Kurt Wagner and of

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<v Speaker 1>course Bloomberg Intelligence senior tech analyst Man Deep sing thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to you both. Coming up. An Apple executive is

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<v Speaker 1>ousted after a viral TikTok details next, This is Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 1>More bad news for Apple this week. Shares plunged by

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<v Speaker 1>as much as six percent Thursday, wiping twenty billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from its market value. Now Bloomberg has learned one of

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<v Speaker 1>the company's senior executives is leaving after a TikTok emerged

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<v Speaker 1>of him making an off color joke. Bloomberg's Mark German

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<v Speaker 1>is here to explain, Mark, what did you learn in

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<v Speaker 1>the course of your reporting. On Thursday today, we reported

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<v Speaker 1>that Tony Blovin's, Apple's longtime vice president of procurement, been

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<v Speaker 1>at the company for about twenty two years or so.

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<v Speaker 1>He is leaving the company after he appeared in a

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<v Speaker 1>very viral video that aired earlier this month on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>in TikTok uh and in the video he made some

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<v Speaker 1>crude comments. This is a TikTok and Instagram account by

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<v Speaker 1>a creator named Daniel Mack. He goes up to people

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<v Speaker 1>at car shows in Beverly Hills elsewhere in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>goes up to people and asks them, if they're driving

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly expensive car, what they do for a living.

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<v Speaker 1>And Blevin's response was clearly not in line with what

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<v Speaker 1>Apple felt was acceptable, leading to his departure now from

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<v Speaker 1>the company. As he said, Tony Blevins as a senior

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<v Speaker 1>executive essentially head of procurement for Apple. That's a massive role.

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<v Speaker 1>What projects has he been involved in? What deals has

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<v Speaker 1>he done for the company? Yeah? Absolutely, Blevin's has been

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<v Speaker 1>headed procurement for Apple and what that means he does

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<v Speaker 1>all the supplier agreements and partner agreements for many of

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's products, particularly iPhone, the iPad, and some of their

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<v Speaker 1>other mobile devices. So I'll give you an example of

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<v Speaker 1>the Global Star deal that Apple did earlier this month

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<v Speaker 1>or announced earlier this month as part of the new

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<v Speaker 1>Satellite Emergency s OS feature for the iPhone fourteen and

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen pro that was overseen by Blevins. Blevins did the

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<v Speaker 1>complex negotiations related to Apple sourcing five g qualcom modems

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<v Speaker 1>for the latest iPhone units. He also did deals with Intel,

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<v Speaker 1>uh Samsung, Display Imagination Technologies, any of the big suppliers

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<v Speaker 1>that you've heard of. It was his responsibility to get

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<v Speaker 1>those components ahead of the competition and at better prices

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<v Speaker 1>than the competition, leading to Apple's strong margins. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>in the company say he's even irreplaceable given how important

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<v Speaker 1>he was to Apple's bottom line and their product roadmap.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark what do we know about how Apple dealt with

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<v Speaker 1>this issue internally and what has Apple's response been to

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<v Speaker 1>our reporting? So the video was first published on TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>on September five and on Instagram on September six. After

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<v Speaker 1>the video became public, which, by the way, it has

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<v Speaker 1>well over a million views on TikTok and over forty

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<v Speaker 1>comments on Instagram, so I'd quantified it as fairly viral.

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<v Speaker 1>People within the Apple Operations and Procurement organization reported the

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<v Speaker 1>video to Apple's human resources department, which then enacted an

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<v Speaker 1>investigation into the situation. We're told that this month Jeff Williams,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's CEO, chief operating officer, made the decision that Blevins

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<v Speaker 1>would be leaving the company. And today I spoke to Blevins.

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<v Speaker 1>He issued a statement which is in our story. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a formative an apology that can you can read in

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<v Speaker 1>the article itself. And I spoke to Apple as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and Apple confirmed that Blevins would be leaving the iPhone maker.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, those are the latest details on that report.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg's Mark German, thank you very much. Amazon is boosting

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<v Speaker 1>pay for hourly workers in the US. The online retailing

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<v Speaker 1>gilet says the move will raised the average starting wage

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<v Speaker 1>for most frontline employees in warehousing and transportation to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>dollars an hour. Bloomberg has learned that Amazon will close

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<v Speaker 1>all but one of its US call centers and shift

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of office employer ease to remote work. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>move that would help save money on real estate, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are headwinds for Amazon's m and A ambition. Senator

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts says she and other lawmakers have

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<v Speaker 1>asked the FTC to reject Amazon's proposal to buy i

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<v Speaker 1>Robot that according to a report from Axios, last week,

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<v Speaker 1>the FTC asked Amazon and I Robot to send additional

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<v Speaker 1>information about the proposal. On Wednesday, Amazon senior vice president

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<v Speaker 1>of Devices told me he feels confident the deal will

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<v Speaker 1>go through, and soft Bank Group has begun laying off

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<v Speaker 1>employees at its loss making Vision Fund. Sources say that

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<v Speaker 1>soft Bank expects to cut at least thirty of its staff.

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<v Speaker 1>The London based Vision Fund unit had about five hundred employees.

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<v Speaker 1>It recently posted a twenty three billion dollar loss, with

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<v Speaker 1>most of that coming from a plunge evaluations of portfolio companies. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Porsche is confident despite a lackluster I p O in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, Porsche just eked out again during its trading debut,

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<v Speaker 1>with the I p O valuing the company at around

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three billion dollars. It's CFO told Bloomberg the company

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<v Speaker 1>can meet its revenue target of as much as forty

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<v Speaker 1>billion for this year despite the difficult macro economic situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's some of that conversation. We have successfully mastered one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest largest ip yours in Europe ever. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so far we are very proud and yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to say thank you to our entire team.

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<v Speaker 1>Horsberg has ensured said b Knstantia today and I cast

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<v Speaker 1>my mind's eye back to four years ago and you flagged.

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<v Speaker 1>You came out and said maybe we should I po

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<v Speaker 1>Porsche with a market cap of around eighty billion euros.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a bit pushback internally externally when you came

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<v Speaker 1>out with that. Do you feel vindicated? Yeah? Absolutely. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a tough fired over four years now, but we succeeded.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we can't stand here. We are very happy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we see further potential for the future. Is our

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<v Speaker 1>strong brand? How are you going to cooperate between the

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<v Speaker 1>parent company Volkswagen and Porsche. You have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more independence now, but we know historically there's been tension

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<v Speaker 1>between the brands and the portfolio. How you can incorporate

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure there are synergies that work for you

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<v Speaker 1>at Porsche. Yeah, we have negotiated an Industrial Corporation Contract

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<v Speaker 1>b c W and has clearly regulated that Posher has

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<v Speaker 1>autonomy in future. The Posher board will decide in future

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<v Speaker 1>completely independent from b W. And yeah, that's a great

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<v Speaker 1>situation for us. We want to unlook Portia's full potential,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, but we have also the possibility in future

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<v Speaker 1>to work together vis W group brands. We are beneficial

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<v Speaker 1>for Porsche. That's that's the case when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>sharing technologies like the tai Kan used also for the

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<v Speaker 1>Audi Eton GT, fooling emissions, bundling, purchasing volumes are to

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<v Speaker 1>using production capacities like Ccaen and Bratisla. Okay. And talking

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<v Speaker 1>about production, so you have the factories in Germany, you're

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<v Speaker 1>producing Germany, you're producing in Slovakia. Where do you build

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<v Speaker 1>out the factories of the future for Porsche. Yeah, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany and in Slovakia. There's no as a plan

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<v Speaker 1>that was Porsche CFO Lutes Meshka. And what's interesting, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>last year the Taykan electric Porsche out sold the traditional

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<v Speaker 1>nine eleven. But what's also interesting out the news on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>Porsche promising you purists out there that the nine eleven

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<v Speaker 1>will remain a gasoline vehicle. The nine leven will still

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<v Speaker 1>be running on gasoline for years to come. An interesting one.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of that? Tweet me? Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to Bloomberg Technology. IMD Lovelow in New York, India plans

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<v Speaker 1>to boost the financial incentives it offers makers of tablets

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<v Speaker 1>and laptops to manufacture them in the country. It's part

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<v Speaker 1>of Norndra Moody administration's effort to wou companies like Dell

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<v Speaker 1>and Apple, and a challenge to China, has the main

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<v Speaker 1>tech production base. The plan is to offer as much

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<v Speaker 1>as five and fifty million U S dollars per manufacturer,

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<v Speaker 1>According to a document seen by Bloomberg News, Apple recently

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<v Speaker 1>started making the new iPhone fourteen in India earlier than expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Following a smooth production rollout and sticking with Apple, the

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<v Speaker 1>iPhone makers shares dropped again Thursday. Apple was hit by

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<v Speaker 1>a rare downgrade with Bank of America seeing the tech

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<v Speaker 1>giants dominance at risk. Here with the details bloom Bugs

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<v Speaker 1>Bailey Lipshelves Bailey. Yeah, and we saw Apple fall almost

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<v Speaker 1>five percent after that downgrade from Bank of America, wiping

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<v Speaker 1>out close to a hundred and twenty billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>market value, really sounding the alarm over concerns surrounding a

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<v Speaker 1>weaker consumer demand over the next year, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>concerns really around the fact that the US dollar is

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<v Speaker 1>trading so strong. Apple is a company that generates more

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<v Speaker 1>than half of its UH sales from overseas. That really

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<v Speaker 1>hitting shares today. But there was a bank that came

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<v Speaker 1>out kind of disagreeing with that downgrade. That was Rosenblack

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<v Speaker 1>at that company, or that firm upgrading shares on Apple

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<v Speaker 1>or it's rating on Apple to buy from neutral, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that they're seeing strength and demand from iPhone fourteen purchases,

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<v Speaker 1>primarily the I four, iPhone fourteen pro and that ultra watch,

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<v Speaker 1>so really kind of seeing value over the near immediate

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<v Speaker 1>medium term and then looking at it though from a

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<v Speaker 1>broader standpoint. Over the last week, we've seen Apple shares

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<v Speaker 1>really falling under market pressure that coming after that Bloom

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<v Speaker 1>report that the company was pulling back on plans to

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<v Speaker 1>potentially ramp up production of that iPhone four team. But

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street really has been disagreeing in the past few

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<v Speaker 1>days about whether consumers are shifting towards buying iPhone fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>pros and the pro Max more high end models as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to that low basic entry level at the iPhone fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, thanks to Bloomberg's Bailey Lipscholtz, Apple was just

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<v Speaker 1>one drag on equity markets Thursdays then has that one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred fell almost three percent. Global investors are bracing for

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<v Speaker 1>central bank policy tightening and a slowdown across economies around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Private market investors a bracing to for more

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<v Speaker 1>on the state of tech and venture capital. That's bringing

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<v Speaker 1>Andrea Lamari, general partner at Manhattan Venture Partners, and Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just start with a big picture. What is going

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<v Speaker 1>through your head right now when you sit at your

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<v Speaker 1>desk and you look at the world, what do you see? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I definitely see a change in excitement across the

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<v Speaker 1>venture market. I think generally what US enture capitalists believe

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<v Speaker 1>is that we're bracing for winter yet again. But this

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<v Speaker 1>time around, it's really that the crystal ball going into

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<v Speaker 1>Q one and Q two of next year is quite

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<v Speaker 1>unclear for most of us, and some of us are

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<v Speaker 1>just breathing a side of relief that many of our

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<v Speaker 1>companies just have a war chest of cash sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>their balance sheet for now, so I think we're all

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<v Speaker 1>just bracing for winter. We aren't exceptionally excited about any

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<v Speaker 1>of the I p O prospects, so we want to

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<v Speaker 1>remain bullish. Ultimately, it's an assessment of where will companies

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<v Speaker 1>go and how will they control spending money going into

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the year. I'm taking a look at

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<v Speaker 1>some of your firm's portfolio companies, interesting names, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's another perspective. When you speak to the founders and

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<v Speaker 1>executives at these firms, you know, many of them sizable.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your advice to them in this market? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>many of the companies in our portfolio are very late

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<v Speaker 1>stage and preparing for an I p O. Quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>we believe that there's a three step formula for the

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<v Speaker 1>comp bunnies that are preparing for I p O s

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<v Speaker 1>going into the remainder of the year, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>Q one and Q two, and those three things are

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<v Speaker 1>first and foremost that they have to have a really

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<v Speaker 1>compelling tail wind story that will project them really high

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<v Speaker 1>going into being a public company. So, for example, Trip

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<v Speaker 1>Actions is going to ride those very deliberate tail winds

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<v Speaker 1>and prepare for their confidential filing and I think overall

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<v Speaker 1>that tells a really compelling story that for number two

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<v Speaker 1>on the list is show value creation to retail investors

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<v Speaker 1>that once they buy into an i p O that

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<v Speaker 1>there's only upward mobility from there. And then number three

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<v Speaker 1>is that they actually can control spend and remove the

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<v Speaker 1>obvious nature of being unprofitable and show that path of profitability,

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<v Speaker 1>if not right before the i p O but after.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are really the three things that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>into our late stage companies and directing them on. Andrea

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<v Speaker 1>your a venture capitalist, and we're always thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>FED higher rates. How brave a decision is it to

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<v Speaker 1>sit on the sidelines right now and not deploy capital.

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<v Speaker 1>I think right now, overall we all are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bracing to say we can wait just a bit longer.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there will be a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 1>coming from the limited partner community that are investing in

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<v Speaker 1>these venture funds going into Q one of next year

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<v Speaker 1>if many of us do not deploy capital for the

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<v Speaker 1>remainder of this year. But for now, I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>all just really comfortable sitting tight and saying, hey, we're

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<v Speaker 1>here to just support our portfolio companies so that the

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<v Speaker 1>end the year really strong and focus less on where

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<v Speaker 1>the FED is going with the higher interest rate hype,

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<v Speaker 1>and say, listen, let's just control where the balance sheet

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<v Speaker 1>is going. Sit tight, many of them still have hiring

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<v Speaker 1>freezes that are in place, and stop spending money on

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<v Speaker 1>crazy R and D projects. To wrap up a beer,

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<v Speaker 1>are we talking about this is being sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>multi courtA not phenomenon the process. I mean, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that we get to the end did this year

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<v Speaker 1>first quarter of next and things change or are you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of battening down the hatches a bit A bit

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<v Speaker 1>longer term than that. I would say we're all battening

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<v Speaker 1>down the hatches a bit longer than that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see much of the dismay going into Q two of

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<v Speaker 1>next year, but at least Q one, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're all going to have a really retrospective look on

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<v Speaker 1>once we get into the first quarter overall companies, at

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<v Speaker 1>least we'll be able to display that they controlled spend,

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<v Speaker 1>they cut costs where they needed to, and show that

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<v Speaker 1>the growth can continue. But I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>see that it's going to be any more than quite

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<v Speaker 1>frankly neutral until we go to Q two or companies say, okay,

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>now that we have a handle on our balance sheet,

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<v Speaker 1>we could really rev up where we had controlled all

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<v Speaker 1>of our costs in two. So I'm much more bullish

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<v Speaker 1>about a Q two A trajectory from here. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>term that we've bandied around a little bit, the I

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<v Speaker 1>p O winter. Is there an I p O winter,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly for tech? I absolutely think so. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>all really excited, And of course we obviously have a

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 1>bit of a bias to say, okay, we might have

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<v Speaker 1>prospects such as Instacart that will really be a shining star,

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.199
<v Speaker 1>maybe even a trojan horse for some other companies that

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<v Speaker 1>are comparable to go public at that time frame in

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<v Speaker 1>Q four, But really that I p A winter, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be freezing, it's gonna be chilly, and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go until the second half of December. If we don't

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<v Speaker 1>see any I p O s by November, late November,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the first week of December, I really would

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<v Speaker 1>say it's quite maybe quite a cold winter going into

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<v Speaker 1>Q one. I kind of like your sort of refreshing honesty,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're being honest with yourself, And we

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<v Speaker 1>think back to say the beginning of well, we just

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<v Speaker 1>really overvaluing growth. We were overvaluing growth at all costs

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<v Speaker 1>in lieu of profitability. I absolutely think so. I think

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>companies we want a hundred x are growth because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what startups are fueled to do. However, now we're really

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<v Speaker 1>seeing what the after effects, the aftershocks of that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be. And right now companies are pricing you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well below ten x forward revenues, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's a healthy place for us to be. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that's going to take, you know, another two

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<v Speaker 1>three quarters to recover from when it comes to valuation stabilization.

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>And at this point in time, companies are just absolutely

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>terrified of taking a valuation haircut, so they're agreeing to

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 1>some pretty aggressive investor friendly terms in new rounds of

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>funding today. Alright, Manhattan, Benja Partners General partner, Andrea Lamary,

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<v Speaker 1>what a pleasure to have you on. Come back, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Coming up, as voters head to the polls

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<v Speaker 1>in November, how will the results impact blockchain policy? Will

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<v Speaker 1>share the results of a survey all about that. Next,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Bloomberg alright, time for our daily crypto report.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Snelly Bassett take it from him. Thank you. Ed.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk today about the intersection of crypto,

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<v Speaker 1>Web three and politics because there's a new pull out

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<v Speaker 1>from Hound Ventures and Morning Consults, and for more on

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<v Speaker 1>those findings is Hound Ventures chief policy Officer. To Mike

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<v Speaker 1>and Tillman, thank you so much for joining us. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really curious here because you have about eight hundred people

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<v Speaker 1>are so that you surveyed through this with Monty or

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<v Speaker 1>more in consult But was there anything really surprising to you?

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<v Speaker 1>We know more money has been going into crypto lobbying,

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:43.960
<v Speaker 1>We know that this is going to be seen as

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<v Speaker 1>an issue for lawmakers. But what was different here that

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you didn't expect to see? Well, there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of real standout issues going into these critical midterm elections.

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<v Speaker 1>We recognize that the next Congress is very likely to

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<v Speaker 1>write the rules that will define policy architecture for the

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>next generation of the Internet, and it's critical for those

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<v Speaker 1>policymakers to know what Americans are thinking as they embark

0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>on that process. The first big takeaway for us is

0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that the Web three voter is now a very significant constituency.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think historically, for example, about the role that

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<v Speaker 1>organized labor has played in US elections, and it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a very consequential role. We now have more voters in

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<v Speaker 1>these key swing states that hold digital assets than hold

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.120
<v Speaker 1>an organized labor card a union card. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>a very substantial swath of the electorate we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>The second big takeaway for US is that this is

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<v Speaker 1>an issue that is prepartisan or bipartisan. There are substantial

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>majorities of voters that say they will vote against They'll

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>be less likely to vote for candidates who aren't in

0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>favor of or supportive of constructive policy making around the

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>future of Web three. On that really quickly, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you think about this is either a bipart is an issue,

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 1>but you know, on one hand, voters seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to post standidates who standard with policies, but

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>they're slightly leaning towards Democratic senators. Why is that the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Traditionally the Democrats have been tougher on the financial industry

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<v Speaker 1>and technology, So why in this instance are you expecting

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<v Speaker 1>that not to be the case. Well, as a group,

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<v Speaker 1>Web three voters tend to be younger, they tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be more diverse, and they tend to be solidly middle

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<v Speaker 1>class and at least in a couple of those categories

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<v Speaker 1>you do see close alignment. Broadly speaking, with the Democratic Party. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>the fascinating thing to us on the whole is the

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<v Speaker 1>degree of unanimity that we find across party lines and

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>across ideological lines when it comes to these results. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the last bastions of true bipartisanship in

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>American public policy today. And the other critical thing which

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<v Speaker 1>I would highlight is over mind percent of the voters

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<v Speaker 1>that we surveyed were in favor of the core principles

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that underlie Web three. So specifically, there we're talking about

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 1>digital platforms that are community owned, community governed, and give

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>individuals a greater say in how their data is used.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a big deal, yea. And on that exact note,

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<v Speaker 1>here are we talking about crypto more largely? Are we

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 1>talking about tokens? Are we talking about Web three? What

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<v Speaker 1>part of the spectrum here are voters really interested in

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing more policy being thoughtful towards well? Over sevent

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>of voters feel the big tech has too much power

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>in their lives. They are looking for an alternative to

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 1>a digital framework that frankly isn't working very well. It's

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<v Speaker 1>neither desirable nor sustainable, and growing numbers of the electorate

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<v Speaker 1>are I think cluing into that fact. What we see

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<v Speaker 1>is that there is a broad appreciation of the potential

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>that Web three has to create an Internet that gives

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>more opportunity to more individuals and democratizees access to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the financial and digital tools that have historically

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>been the domain of very small numbers of people, and

0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>voters are responding to that in a big way. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that in any fashion this will be

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<v Speaker 1>a single issue voter kind of situation here? Given so

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 1>much else is happening, especially in the economy when you

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>see a lot of people really burn from inflation here.

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you the a a war going on in Europe?

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<v Speaker 1>To what extent does this fall into all of the

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 1>other issues that are happening in America today? Well, we

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>know that for a subset of these voters, these are

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>very strongly held views, and they are passionate about the

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>potential of this technology. And they're also passionate, frankly about

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the need to build a better Internet, the need to

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 1>develop a new digital architecture that is going to meet

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>their needs a lot better than what we have today.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond that, this is I think the early days of

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>what has the potential to become a very large and

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>very powerful constituency in American politics. Uh. And it is

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<v Speaker 1>unlike anything we've seen before, and that it is simultaneously

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>an industry, but it's also a community, and that convergence

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>is creating some big opportunities to think differently about how

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 1>we define policy in this space. You know, this is

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.240
<v Speaker 1>the mid terms right around the corner here, the second

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>part of Biden's term. To what extent do you expect

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<v Speaker 1>to see a serious movement on a lot of the

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:34.160
<v Speaker 1>crypto regulation that has been promised from from lawmakers now

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>for many many months. Well, we already today are in

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 1>a pretty remarkable position when you consider where we were

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>just two years ago. The fact that we have multiple

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>very serious bipartisan pieces of legislation working their way through Congress,

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 1>a very serious executive order that's forging a whole of

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>government approach to digital assets and web three. All of

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>these are promising signs. We've certainly got a long way ago.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And my assumption is that a lot of the legislating

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>at least is going to fall on the shoulders of

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the next Congress. But the fact that there is a

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:14.480
<v Speaker 1>real opportunity to create the cornerstones, to establish the cornerstones

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 1>of what this new digital policy framework will involve, is

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>something none of us should take lightly and frankly why

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 1>these elections and the voters that decide them are so

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<v Speaker 1>important to Mega Tillman Pound Ventures Chief policy Officer, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much on the heels of your new survey

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<v Speaker 1>out with Morning Consulted back to you. This week, the

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 1>company Illumina is hosting the Genomics Forum in San Diego.

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<v Speaker 1>It includes speakers from Barack Obama to Bill Gates, and Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>Illuminate announced its first new sequencing technology in more than

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<v Speaker 1>two years. The company says it can read a person's

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<v Speaker 1>entire genetic code for as little as two hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a pop. Here for a bloom Bag exclusive on the

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<v Speaker 1>announcement is a luminous CEO Francis to SUSA. Frances talked

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>to me about the technology that's gone into this latest

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>iteration of sequencing tech. What have you actually done to

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 1>update it? This is a huge movement step forward in

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>our technology platform. We really redid every part of the

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>sequencer so we've invented an entire new chemistry called Exley SPS.

0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 1>We invented a whole new optic system, including the glass

0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>we needed for the lens. This didn't exist anywhere in

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the world, so we had to invent new glass to

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.600
<v Speaker 1>use in the lens. We've invented a whole new data

0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>path with high performance compute on the machine itself. So

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>really this has been just a ground up redo of

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<v Speaker 1>our sequencer platform so that we could get a major

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>step change in terms of performance and really bring the

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<v Speaker 1>price of sequencing, of genomic sequencing, you know, down to

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<v Speaker 1>the market. We're also able to make this more sustainable

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>product and eliminate the need for the cold chain. So

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<v Speaker 1>before that you needed dry ice to ship the reagents

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to run the machine to the labs around the world,

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and you don't need that anymore. And so this makes

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 1>a sequence are accessible to countries around the world that

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have access to cold chaine. So it's a big

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>step forward in accessibility. For instance, your ultimate goal is

0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>a one hundred dollar genome, you're at two hundred dollars.

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>It's it's just you playing it safe, you know. Our path,

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 1>our strategy as a company has been to drive the

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>prices down, and we've done that over the course of

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>many years. When we first launched our sequence or in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seven, the price to sequence one genome

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 1>was a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and that was

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a breakthrough price in the market. We've gone from a

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty thousand dollars or genome to two hundred

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.040
<v Speaker 1>dollars a genome in that time for two thousand and

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 1>seven until today, so greater than price reduction, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not stopping there. We believe to make genomics accessible to

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>everybody and have to differ prints in healthcare that it

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>can we need to keep going. Does this once again

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.279
<v Speaker 1>make you the market leader, the tech leader? Do you

0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:12.799
<v Speaker 1>leap frog back to that position of leadership? You know,

0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>we do. We really believe that in order to move

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the market forward, we need just to drive more innovation

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to make sequencing accessible. At this point, we do believe

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<v Speaker 1>that our products represent the best sort of value proposition

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<v Speaker 1>to customers in terms of performance and price. But look,

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<v Speaker 1>the reality is were very early in this market right

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<v Speaker 1>If you think about the market opportunity in front of us,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have largely untapped the medical need for genomic sequencing,

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<v Speaker 1>So the vast majority is of the market is still

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<v Speaker 1>in front of us. A lot of innovation to do

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<v Speaker 1>to really open up the markets, as do we think

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<v Speaker 1>they need to be. I want to ask you about

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<v Speaker 1>the reality of this for your customers. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>labs right, complicated, sophisticated lads. You're talking two D genome,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's an expensive cost for them. What have your

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<v Speaker 1>pre order has been like, what does the initial interest

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<v Speaker 1>from your customer they's been well, the earlier response has

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<v Speaker 1>been phenomenal. You know, we gave a sneak beak to

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<v Speaker 1>a few customers before we made the variety of the

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<v Speaker 1>announcement this morning, and every single one of them pre ordered.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're at this stage now we're taking orders. We

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<v Speaker 1>ship the instrument in Q one of next year, so

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<v Speaker 1>a few months from now, and we're gonna be taking

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<v Speaker 1>orders between now and then. The response has been strong

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<v Speaker 1>on the number of fronts. People really appreciate the price reduction,

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<v Speaker 1>People love the sustainability features, so reducing the waste and

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<v Speaker 1>the plastic and people we had a couple of customers

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<v Speaker 1>come to us in tears about the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>no longer need a cold chain so this product is

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<v Speaker 1>now available in parts of the world that just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have access to hide through with sequencing. Francis, your seven

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar deal for Grail was vetoed by the European

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<v Speaker 1>Union this stage of the process, do you give up?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the deal for Grailer's an important one because,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, we invented with Grail was a blood

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<v Speaker 1>test that can find fifty types of cancer across stages.

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<v Speaker 1>That's life changing because we know that ten million people

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<v Speaker 1>a year die of cancer, and we also know that

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<v Speaker 1>if you catch a cancer early, your arts are surviving

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<v Speaker 1>are so much higher than if you catch it late.

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<v Speaker 1>Now of the people who die from cancer die from

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<v Speaker 1>cancers that are caught at late stages. So by doing

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<v Speaker 1>the blood to die, rolling out Grill's blood tays more broadly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we believe that that has the potential to

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<v Speaker 1>save many lives around the world, and we can roll

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<v Speaker 1>out more broadly than Grailed with on its own. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's important. We're going to continue through the process to

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<v Speaker 1>see if we can win on appeal with the European Commission. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>Iluminous CEO, frances to Zoza, a pleasure to have you

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<v Speaker 1>on the program. That does it. For this edition of

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