1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: advice to many occasions. In the case you didn't notice, 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm not broke, you know he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do, 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: it's what he likes to share. Now it's time to 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money making conversations. Here 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: we come. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I'm your host, 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: ra Sean McDonald. Really, it's time to stop reading other 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: people's success stories and start writing your home. I always 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: tell people who watched the shot and listen to the 13 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: show to leave with your gifts, and my next guest 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: will talk about following his passion and don't let your age, friends, family, 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: or coworkers stop you from planning or living your dreams. 16 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: Interviews I bring the money making conversations or people celebrity 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: friends that I know every time I don't know CEO 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and what I like could call industry decision makers. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: My next guest is Anthony A. Lobby. He's an actor, writer, 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: and former NFL player from the Miami Dolphins in Kansas 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: City Chief. That's one sport. I could never play football. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: I'll just let you know right now. I can act 23 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: like I can play basketball, but I can never play football. 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Anthony co stars in the third season of the Netflix 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: sitcom called Family Reunion. He left the NFL and moved 26 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles to pursue his true passion, which is acting. 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: His acting credits include a lot recurring roles on Showtime, Shameless, 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: one of my favorite show, Disney's Ravens Home, CBS, n 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: c I S, ABC S Mardin Family, Foxes, The Mick, 30 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: and the supporting role in Netflix feature film Peewee's Big Holiday, 31 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: just to name a few. Just throwing out some credits 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: so you can know who I'm talking to you. I 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: was like Family Unions, one of my favorite sitcoms on Netflix, 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: and then boasting please wiping the money making conversation. I 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: know we're gonna be good friends because he's a good 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: friends one of the writers on the show, co executive 37 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: producers on the show who now moved on Anthony Hill, 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Please welcome this Anthony, Anthony a lobby. It's great. How 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: are you doing, my friend, I'm doing great, man, it's 40 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: a good day. My mother in law is here. She 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, she got fully vaccinated and everything in the visit, 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: so it's a full house. Well, you know, it's the 43 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: beauty of it. I've gotten fully vaccinated. So it's good 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: to promote that, especially in the African American community or 45 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: the community of color, that we need to get vaccinated. 46 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: And you know, it's really I don't know if you've 47 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: been vaccinated and Anthony, but it really brought a relief 48 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: to me, you know, because I'm wearing a mask and 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing everything I'm supposed to, and I'm not stopping. 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: Even though I've been vaccinated. I still do the things 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: with the mask and the hand sanitizer. But I just 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: feel that now, you know, when a cough or sniffles, 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: maybe it's pollen. It's time. Maybe it's pollen this time 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: and not COVID. You know what I'm saying, what Cole say. 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: People are still getting regular colds, right and so, but 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: not not. But when COVID, You're like, oh, no, I 57 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, you don't know you better not, 58 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: you better not and like hold on absolutely so so, 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: so you left the NFL a sport I could never 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: play that totally one of your respect Let's talk about like, say, 61 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: your Texas board like me, I'm from Western Texas, you're 62 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: San Antonio. We know Texas football is king brother, so 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: but it's the name football and acting to individual things 64 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: that don't even don't even live in the same class 65 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: because one, you know, you and sitcoms done drama as well, 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: and that is kind of like a you know, kind 67 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: of a theatrical there's not nothing physical about it. You know, 68 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: you're you're still animated and you're you're animated actor too. 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: But but but you know what I'm saying is it's 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: not the physical contact and every more absolutely absolutely and 71 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: so so. But but that but that gave you an 72 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: opportunity to go to college. It gave you an opportunity. 73 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: And where did you go to college? At TCU hard 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: Frog down up in the Dallas for war Ferry. Okay, 75 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: so I know exactly where you at. Okay, So, so 76 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: you go to the NFL, and that's that's kind of 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: like your dream or was it your dreams? Still acting? 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: When you went to in that f It's it's a 79 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: crazy thing because people always always talk about the transition 80 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: and they and they asked, you know, how did you pivot? 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: And you know what made you want to go into acting? 82 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: And the truth is acting was it for me the 83 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: entire time. Football is the thing that kind of swept 84 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 1: me up and took over and I had to put 85 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: my wanting of acting on hold. So you know, I'd 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: like to tell the joke that when you're six six 87 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: three sixty and you come out of the wound that 88 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: way you play football in Texas, like that's just what 89 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: you do. Um, and I'm gonna just tell you to 90 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: make you six six. It must be a lot of 91 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: tall people on that class man. You don't look six 92 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: six on that show. I'm sorry, I thank you, you 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: know what. I appreciate that. That is the best compliment 94 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: I've gotten, because that's the thing is as an actor 95 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: coming in when you're all like that, a lot of 96 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: times you don't get cast because they're just like I 97 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: can't frame you, or we don't know how to have 98 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: to do it. But luckily, I mean like for Family 99 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: Union first of all is first class all the way through. 100 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: So our camera guys are dps. They know exactly how 101 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: to kind of angle it and make it look to 102 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: where I kind of look normal and I don't look 103 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: like Dan off right. You know, I'm sorry. I want 104 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: you to continue. But when you said six six, I 105 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: had to take a step back over he's six six 106 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,559 Speaker 1: because I don't know what six six looks like. Somebody 107 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: had six sixth next to me. I go us sick six. 108 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: But show especially the group, especially look the little kids. 109 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: You know, they don't look like they died by your ankles, 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I mean they got tall 111 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: to you know, Isaiah and Cameron, both of the boys, 112 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: they got really tall. So well, that's a good thing 113 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: for you. Okay, good day for you. But continue your journey. 114 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Continue during your transition, you didn't really I can football 115 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: with just the god gifted talent that you had, but 116 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: you're blessing passion. It was something I was born in 117 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: the physicality, so it was it was a nice thing 118 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: to have. Um and yeah, I got into it. I 119 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: got into football and it and it kind of took over. 120 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: So at a young age, I kind of made this 121 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: decision that football was going to be what took care 122 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: of me, and eventually I wanted to get to that 123 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: point where I could just do whatever I wanted because 124 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: I didn't have to play football. And I think that's 125 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: that was the most important thing. So I kind of 126 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: made that decision at eight years old and it worked out. 127 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: Don't ask me to do it twice. I don't know 128 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: if it can happen, but it worked out this time. 129 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: But okay, again, we talked a little bit about your size. 130 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: You know, you're coming in and do you know you 131 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: don't want to be the bouncer. You don't want to 132 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: be the heavy, the thug, and that's what people look 133 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: at a black man who's six six athletically built. So 134 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: how did you start breaking that that stereotype? So yeah, naturally, 135 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: like you said, you come here, you you know, off 136 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: the boat, per se, you you come here and they 137 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: immediately you're a bouncer, you're thug, you're a heavy, you're detective, 138 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: if you're lucky, a cop, you know anything that that's 139 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: big in intimidating. I mean, the amount of times that 140 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: I had to say, let me see your license kind 141 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: of ridiculous. But I think the most important thing was 142 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: having a team around me that saw the vision that 143 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: I did because I came here and I said, I'm different, 144 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: I hit different. I'm a big guy, but I have 145 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: emotional range. I'm able to be vulnerable. I'm able to 146 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: kind of go places that guy typically my size don't 147 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: really go emotionally and enacting. And so I think my 148 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: my reps saw that, and so we immediately started to 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of brand the other way and kind of like 150 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: push into those roles that aren't normally for me. So 151 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: there was a lot of rooms that I sat in 152 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: where it was like me and like fifteen other Jewish dudes, 153 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: and They're like, you're here for the same role, and 154 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the same role. And then eventually, you know, 155 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: we get those roles, and then casting Grecords would start 156 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: to see us differently, and you know, it's working out. 157 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're not getting those typical kind of roles 158 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: that you would see for for a guy that looks like, well, 159 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's really interesting because my background, you know, 160 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: this sitcom writing and so you know, I did a 161 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: parent who with WB extually started with Steve Harvest first 162 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: sitcom on ABC, Me and the Boys, and then went 163 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: over to a senior Hall ABC sitcom, and then I 164 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: ran into your co star, one of your co stars 165 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: own family. You and the very talented Timarre you know, 166 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: with a sister, Tamarrow Maori on sister sister. So how 167 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I always be working with that talent young I mean, 168 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: she's the thing is from day one. Uh T and 169 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: I kind of just got each other because we're both 170 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: goofy and so I think we're having the same kind 171 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: of brand of comedy. Uh we kind of. I think 172 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: we have like one conversation about how we want to 173 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: kind of approach things, and then after that we've never 174 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: really had to talk about it. I think we just, 175 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, she throws the ball up, I catch it, 176 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: vice versa, and we're just our chemistry works and it 177 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: works off camera too. I think, you know, we talk 178 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: at least two to three times a week, um constantly 179 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: in contact, and we just get each other. And I 180 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what makes it easy when we're 181 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: on camera, because if I happen to improvise something that's 182 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: just that I think it's funny. She knows me well 183 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: enough and she just plays along and it and it 184 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: usually works out golden. And the same thing with her 185 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: she throws things out all the time, and it just 186 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: it makes her a fun working violence. I look forward 187 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: to going to work everything because a partner. It really 188 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: is interesting, that's right there with you. It really is 189 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: interested in watching the show because y'all are silly, silly, 190 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 1: that's compliment and being in front of a live audience. Um. 191 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: And because they announced when you watch the Netflix sitcom 192 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: that is take in front of a live audience. So 193 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: those laughter that you hear and I can their faith 194 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: they're real, which I love about the show. But man, 195 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: y'all break that fourth wall. Y'all just laugh, man, you know, 196 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: and that Loretta divide that fool and I'm saying that 197 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: it's her fault. Man. She just keeps delivering home runs, man, 198 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: and you can see you tell us about her those two. 199 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: It's kind of insane because Meg, what Meg does. This 200 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: is what happens is we run, we run, We run 201 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: the scene the way it's supposed to be run, right, 202 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: And then here comes Meg and I can see her 203 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: just across the screen and she runs a little atta 204 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: and she whispered something in her ear and we're all 205 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: just like, what's going on? So then she runs back 206 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: the action and Loretta delivers it a completely different line 207 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: that still works with our with our dialogue on a 208 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: completely different line that we had never heard. So it's 209 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: that they want our true reactions. So half the time 210 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: we're trying to laugh and we're trying or trying not 211 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: to laugh. But it's fun. And so Meg loves those 212 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: moments because they are real and they're more grounded. So 213 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: I enjoy them because they make me laugh. But I 214 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: just try not to break, but it happens. We break. 215 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: Just stop trying. You break, you break, you break. Yeah, 216 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm finally caught up to the third season. 217 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: You gotta catch this three seasons of this, and you 218 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: should go back to the very first season if you're 219 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: listening to this, even you for the first time. And 220 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: the third season, Uh, they do a moment with you 221 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: at the kitchen table when you because you're really struggling 222 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: with your manhood, your your your your ability to all 223 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: take care of your family. I'm gonna tell you, man, 224 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: when you slid that plate off that table, man, I 225 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: started laughing so hard. Man when I saw you, when 226 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: you slid, I was just gonna leave it like that. 227 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get it in more detailed Anthony, but 228 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: when used that pay off the table man, he's said 229 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: he's silly. I went full Denzel on that one. I 230 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: was like, I love it. I love it, and so so, 231 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, because we're gonna I want to I wanna 232 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, I also want to talk about you as 233 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: well as the sitcom, and I just want to touch 234 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: the sitcom a little bit. But I wanted to go 235 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: back into your just your your acting resume and also 236 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: your writer, because that's more than you than just uh 237 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: in front of the screen. That there's there's the ability 238 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: to go behind the screen. So tell us who Anthony 239 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: a lobby really is with the future. Because you said athletically, 240 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: peoples stereotyped you, okay, said you were a football player, 241 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: an athlete, and then you said, no, that's not me. 242 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Now you went to Hollywood, they stereotyped you. Hey man, 243 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,839 Speaker 1: get all the cop roll, get the thug rolls, get 244 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: all the get all of anything you need to fear, 245 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: throw fear in somebody. We want you. And you said 246 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that's not me. Now you you rise in the very 247 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: successful sitcom, very higherious trends. If you not notice, if 248 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: you follow Netflix, it does trend. I think it recially. 249 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: I think it was number six recently and the top ten, 250 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: and that means that. And the way that works on 251 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: Netflix is the goal is for everybody to watch every 252 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: one of your episodes. And that's Netflix. If if you 253 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: don't watch every episode, they're gonna cancel. I'm just sorry. 254 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: That's our neatural ex operation. The truth, that's the truth. 255 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: He knows I'm telling truth. And but the beauty of 256 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: it is that you're airing in a hundred and ninety 257 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: countries that allows you to send a different message about 258 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: African Americans people of color. How that betrayed because you know, 259 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: you've been in the business long enough. How how this 260 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: industry before streaming would say, hey, this is black sitcom. 261 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep you over here. Nobody wants to watch 262 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: you in Europe, box in this little room that nobody 263 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: knows about. Just box you in that moment. It was 264 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: just terrible. And so let's let's talk about that. The 265 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: ability to be expand your brand as a writer and 266 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: your directings on your plate and what you want to 267 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: do besides what you're doing right now. Yeah, I mean 268 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: you you touched on people always kind of just trying 269 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: to pigeonhole you. I think the easiest thing that people 270 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: always want to do is they want to put you 271 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: in a category or in a box and say this 272 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: is what you are, so that way they know what's coming. 273 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of annoyingly ambitious in that way where 274 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: I am constantly trying to push, and I think that 275 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: comes from sports. It's the it's this thing of never 276 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: being comfortable. Um, just because I believe that every day 277 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: you either get better you get worse. You never say 278 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: the same, So if you're not fighting to get better, 279 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: than clearly you're getting worse. Um. For me, you know, 280 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: producing and writing is something that I want to do, 281 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: and that's something that eventually I really really want to 282 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: get to. I think it's it's important to kind of storytell, 283 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and I think it's important to create these worlds that 284 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: I want to see and in worlds that I kind 285 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: of want to live in and being that probably won't 286 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: get casted as or wouldn't be kind of put in, 287 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: but I can put myself in those situations and right 288 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: around that. And I think when I do that and 289 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: still make it work to where people reading go, this 290 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: is great, but this is interesting and it's not just 291 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: kind of a piece for me, you know, Um, I 292 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: think I think that's the important thing. So that's why 293 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: my writing partner and I we've written a library of 294 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: shows and and uh, you know, our pitching and doing 295 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: stuff now. And I think now that the third part 296 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: has come out, that's where why we're kind of pushing 297 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: more of the shows that we've written, the movies that 298 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: we've written, and getting really into producing. People want to 299 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: get into directing. I'm not. I think that's a lot 300 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: of work, but we'll see how it goes. But I'm 301 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: definitely going to end up creating and writing and doing 302 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: those things later down the road. 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Now, 352 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm not the person to put in the room, Anthony. 353 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying about that whole process, but 354 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: the whole process of like you, you appeared in some 355 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: of my favorite uh series like Shameless, that that's not 356 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: an expensive wardrouble Shameless, by the way, you know, you 357 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: just can just to show up on just your regular 358 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: looks like everybody looks terrible, everybody looks like a step 359 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: above homeless. Okay, just having that they didn't have to 360 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: throw dirt on me to right right, you know. And 361 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: then uh, and then a good friend of Raven's home 362 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: that was on Disney, a classic when you walk into 363 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: a show like n C I s WO that family 364 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: has been there for fifty sixty years, you know what 365 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's and Shameless. I mean you look 366 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: at Shameless ten years years and so so talk about 367 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: going into those or those particularly type of productions that 368 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: I mentioned spically Shameless as well as n C I 369 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: S and then trying to build that same momentum, that 370 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: same type of professional behavior which is laid by Meg 371 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: the Loach, which is the decative producer and creator of 372 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: Family Reunion. Talk about that, yeah, and you know, I 373 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: think it all. I like to stem a lot of 374 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: things back to sports, just because it's the first thing 375 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: that I related to growing up. So it's the same 376 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: thing when you are you know, I was an offensive linement. 377 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: So when you're like the sixth man, right, and you 378 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: have the starting five, and you have that six guy, 379 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: and somebody goes down or somebody gets hurt or you know, 380 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: they're playing bad or whatever, and they pull that guy 381 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: and you go in. The goal is to maintain the standard, 382 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: is to not be the weak link. It's too you 383 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to outshine anyone, but you got to 384 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: make sure you keep the boat going and don't let 385 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: it sink. And I think that's the same kind of 386 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: concept when you're going into a show that has been 387 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: on for a decade decade and a half, um like 388 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: an n C. I s like a shameless These people 389 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: this is a well oiled machine. Everybody knows what they're 390 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: doing every day, every minute of the day, and so 391 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: when you come in, it's not to disrupt that, but 392 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: it's too kind of almost like a double dutch thing. 393 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Where you're waiting for your turn. You're waiting for your turn, 394 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: you pop in, you do your thing, and you pop out. 395 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: And I think that's the That was the kind of 396 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the message that I told myself going into all these things, 397 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: and it worked out that it ended up being a 398 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: really good role and shining in those in those uh 399 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: in those series. But at the same time, it's maintaining 400 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: the standard that they've already set over those years. Okay, 401 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: with that being said, now you're in the third season 402 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: of Family Union, which Arizon Netflix. So you saw how 403 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: do you went in the first time? Like you said, 404 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 1: when you saw when you walk to Netflix, the serious 405 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: Family Union, you said, this is golden. But each year, 406 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, there's a conference zone because just the reality 407 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: of Hollywood ladies and gentlemen. You know, you get a 408 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: gig and that can get That doesn't mean it's gonna land. 409 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: So you know, just suddenly get an acting gig and 410 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: just go buy a new car or a new house. 411 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: There's a certain level of uncertainty. So that first season, 412 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: you didn't know if they're gonna get picked up. You 413 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: is happy to get a check. I know that, I know. Okay, 414 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: now the second season now you know Thursdays, where are 415 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: you ad mentally with the series and how's does overall 416 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: staff and production? What changes have come about over the 417 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: last three years. Well, naturally you're gonna have, you know, 418 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: changes in staff, changing changes and crew. But I think 419 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: the message overall is the same, and it's to tell 420 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: authentic Black stories, and it's to tell stories of real 421 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: families and to give everybody a voice and a point 422 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: of view. And I think that's what you see in 423 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: Family re Union that you don't see in a lot 424 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: of kind of other other shows that are written kind 425 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: of by white people about black people, filter through their 426 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: view of it. I think when you're have in all 427 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: black writers room, they're black people writing for Black people 428 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: about us. And I think when you have that, you 429 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: get those little corners of the culture that aren't normally 430 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: there with other kinds of sitcom. So the goal every 431 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: single year is to to not shy away from any 432 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: topics that come up, to not shy away from themes 433 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: that other people wouldn't explore, like death or interpersonal relationships 434 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: between a husband and wife, or you know, dad's dealing 435 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: with their daughters, but in a real way, not in 436 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: a sit Commy way, like Jade ran away, you know 437 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: what I mean, Mose has, you know, problems dealing with 438 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: his friend dying, or Mose and Coco having financial issues 439 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: and having to really parent their kids instead of throwing 440 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: money at any kind of problem, which is what they 441 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: used to do. And I think when you do that 442 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: and you don't shy away from those things, and you 443 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: try and tell it as authentically as possible, and you 444 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: bring in directors that hold you to a certain standard 445 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: that keeps a show going, that's what maintains the the 446 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: the overall kind of greatness of a show, which is 447 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: which is why you have shows like n C I 448 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: S and Shameless that continue to go and continue to 449 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 1: grow because of the fact that they maintain that standard 450 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: other show And You're right, in Hollywood, you can get complacent. 451 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: It's easy after season you know, three or four, to 452 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: just be like it's automatic. Now we're gonna get renewed. 453 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: This is how it goes. And that's not how it goes. 454 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: And that's when you get blindsided with the cancelation sticker 455 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: and you're worried about your rent. And I'm gonna just 456 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: tell you how significant that. What are you talking about 457 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: when he said, all black writing staff for sitcom, just 458 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: do your little history about my life. My first writing 459 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: sitcom was Me and the Bars on ABC. The showrunner 460 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: was white. It was only two black writers. It was 461 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: three black writers in that room. Okay. And then my 462 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: second show, it was Parenthood, Robert Townsend show. He was 463 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 1: an executive producer. But the two but the showrunners, they 464 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: were white, good people, only white people. I'm not saying 465 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: nothing negative. I'm just saying but still not delivering a 466 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: black point of view for a show because they have 467 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: to ask questions and sometimes they would take story arcs 468 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: that was comfortable to them because they understood it. But 469 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: we're not comfortable to the style, and you start debating 470 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: why are we doing this? And then and then we 471 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: went over. I went over to Arcinio. He was struggling 472 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,959 Speaker 1: with his showrunner who was white, and that show eventually 473 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: that counseled after one season. And then I went over 474 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: to Um went over to Sister Sister. That show runner 475 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: was white. But then that's when I met the incredible 476 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: Felicia Henderson and really and she had a lot of 477 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: influence on those storylines. Because she had a lot of 478 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: influence on the showrunner. And then finally I wrapped up 479 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: my sitcom career with the amazing Sara Finni sera Fanny 480 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Johnson on The Parkers and she's a black show runner 481 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: who also created Moitia. And so each each layer tells 482 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: a different story because there was different battles that you 483 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: fight in the room. And if you have a mixed 484 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: room that really doesn't understand the culture of what they're 485 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be writing about, it creates a sense of 486 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: why are we doing this? In debating where I like 487 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: to believe that a room doing a black sitcom and 488 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: the writers are black delivers a lot of real, honest 489 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: script for you guys, and also allow you to question 490 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: stuff without any kick back exactly. And I think that's 491 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: when I talk to Anthony about this, um. I think 492 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: in that writer's room, the reason why we get such 493 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: gold that comes out of that room is because there's 494 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: no egos involved. Anyone can pitch any joke at any time, 495 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: and if it's funny, it's funny. If it's not, then 496 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: it's not. And if it's not funny and Anthony, you know, 497 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: or Meg pitched it, it's just not funny. But if 498 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: it's funny, and the staff writer or a p A 499 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: pitched it it's funny and put it in. And I 500 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: think when you do that and you take the ego 501 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: out of it and you just want the best product possible, 502 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're gonna end up 503 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: with a show that is a banger that every episode 504 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: just makes you laugh, makes you cry, makes you jump, 505 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: makes you dance. And when you have that, it's something special. 506 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we have. You do have 507 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: something pressure. I'll tell you something, Anthony. I haven't thought 508 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: about writing on the sitcom wow twenty years. Twenty years 509 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: at least seriously. And and I miss it. After watching 510 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: this show, this serious family Reunion, I miss it, and 511 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: it was like, wow, I'm very serious. I'm like wow, man. 512 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: You know, because I watched a lot of television. I 513 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: watched a lot of sitcoms, and you know, like said, 514 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: I was in that little banner run where you know, 515 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: all I sitcom for buried on W B and c 516 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: W and up N and all those things, and they 517 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: were just using our shows to launch networks and things 518 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: like that. And and just to see this show man, 519 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: and and nobody has not seen the show, please make 520 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: it a part of your watch because to the fact 521 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: that it just brought back fund memories about what the 522 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: show is about. And the show is about you know, you, 523 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: your African American man was a successful football player and 524 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: then had to from Seattle, had to move your family 525 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: back down to the south, the great city of Atlanta 526 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: in a great state of Georgia, and you and you're 527 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: living with your mom and your dad played by my man. 528 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: The Shaft, the original Shaft is gonna be real, richar 529 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: round tree And I'm gonna ask you about that and 530 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: minute and then then then you know, because we already 531 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: talked about her, you know, Loretta Divine, the Amazing and 532 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: Loretta Divine and you know timm Are and and it's 533 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: it's it's you know. The thing about it is that 534 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: when you're working around anthem, when you're working around such 535 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: legendary actors and actresses like a Loretta and Alarika Richard, 536 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: how does that help you? Well? I think you you 537 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: study how they work. You study, you know, just the 538 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: work ethic and and even just what they bring to rehearsals, 539 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: what they bring to run throughs, and then what they 540 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: bring to shoot That is you know, Loretta really did 541 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: the best thing she could for me, which is I 542 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: think our first ever network run through. And I've done 543 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: tons of run throughs, it's notthing issue, but I've never 544 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: done a run through his league, and so I was 545 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: a little nervous, you know, more than the normal uh 546 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: this time. And I had this big sequence. I can't 547 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: remember the episode or what it was, but I know 548 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: I had a big kind of like comedic sequence that 549 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: I was hoping it would be funny because I was 550 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: going to improb some stuff but who knew. And I 551 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: did it, and the network cracked up and they were 552 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: laughing to the point we had to stop run through 553 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: for a second because they were cracking up, and then 554 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: kind of resumed. But I remember I went to the 555 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: back of the kitchen afterward to exit, and Loretta was 556 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: sitting there because that's what she was gonna enter from, 557 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: and she looked up at me and she was just 558 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: like this, do you just make it look so easy? 559 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: And she was like you did? I love it? I 560 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: love it. And then it made me feel very confident 561 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: that someone of that stature recognized me and was like, 562 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: good job. And from then on it's just been it's 563 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: been a fun dance and play every day with with 564 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: her and with Richard. Well, you know they you know, 565 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: you know, I love the series, right The only the 566 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: only thing that I was skeptical of this whole series 567 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: was you trying to fix the Mercedes Been. I said 568 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. That is, like, that is the 569 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 1: most impossible things. Pull me all if one pull me 570 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: a shamby or something. But for you to be under 571 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: the hood of say these trucks holding some piece that 572 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't think belong inside that engine area, was trying 573 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: to fix an iPhone. It's ridiculous, it really is. But 574 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, and at first he was supposed to be 575 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: I think it was supposed to be something else. But 576 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, Meg being mag She's like, now let's get 577 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: the Mercedes truck in here. I was like, that's a 578 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: writer's moment, you know what I'm saying, That's a writer's 579 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: moment right there. But it didn't. It didn't hurt the 580 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: show at all. I'm just that's just me and you 581 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: talking having fun in this interview about you. They're trying 582 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 1: to fix the Mercedes Being and talk about that. I'm 583 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: not gonna get the episodes very well. You should watch that, 584 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: watch all that pros. Like I said, I'm talking about 585 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: the third season right now, but you need to go 586 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: back to season one to really see the arc of 587 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: the series. Watch these kids, these amazingly talented kids, uh, 588 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: grow as as young actors, young people. I'll talk about 589 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: the the kids who play your children on the show. 590 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: You know, they're amazing. I think I was the last 591 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: one kind of cast on this show because they were 592 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: kind of looking for that role. They were looking for 593 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: that actor for the longest and um, when I came on, 594 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: the kids had already kind of been there week. They 595 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: went through like an acting camp. Uh, and it showed 596 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: and Eric Deane Seedon, I mean, he's just he's such 597 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: a professional. Um. And it was such a gift for 598 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: them because I think when as soon as we started 599 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: kind of getting into filming, those kids were professional. They 600 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: knew everything about what they needed to do. They knew 601 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: where their cameras were, they knew about lighting, they knew 602 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: where to stand, they knew how to pause for laughs, 603 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: they knew all the technical kind of stuff that comes 604 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: along with this sitcom because I mean, you know, the 605 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: sitcoms are a little more technical. There's a lot more 606 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: to them. As an actor, it's a little heavier on 607 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: you because you have to worry about blocking someone's light 608 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: and you know where you're blocking and where you're standing, 609 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: and you know making sure you're on turn to the 610 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: right camera, different things. And those kids just picked it 611 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: up and they just got it and they've gotten it 612 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: ever since. And they and they're funny and they're just 613 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: they improve their little so they're so talented. They all 614 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: sing and dance. And except for you. I noticed you're 615 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: not singing there, sir. That's one talent you don't possess. 616 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: It's the singing skills. But here's the thing I'll give 617 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: myself a little credit is I can hold a tune. 618 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make an album, but you know I can. 619 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: I'll be your I'll be your background. I love it. 620 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: I love it well. You know. The beauty of it 621 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: is that you have a you have a wonderful career 622 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: that you resume. You're working on the show that successful 623 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: and I like to believe it they will bring you 624 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: back for another season. We never know the guards play 625 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: out there, but it's definitely uh as great value. Like 626 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: I said, when I'm watching the third season, I'm going, 627 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to and he's the thing, and I'm trying 628 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: to fit this writing in my schedule. I'm going, how 629 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: can I get you can write? Well? I could do 630 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: expect script. Maybe I can say Meg expect grip and 631 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: then she goes, I don't want to write again, no way, 632 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: but but just what you come on to our showman. 633 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna have a good time. That's the thing. I know, 634 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: I know, I am. And it takes in Atlanta, correct, 635 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: you know? No, No, we're right here. Paramount Studios, Paramount Studios. Okay, cool, 636 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: just the same where the family is based. Madea's houses 637 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia. But we go we go to Atlanta, bunch, 638 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: but it's in Columbus, Georgia. It's a small town in Georgia. 639 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, I know what Columbus right, just just go 640 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: east like you're going to Burmingham. That's what it's like. 641 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: I know exactly what Columbus gearg is at. But I can't. 642 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: I would not close this interview. I'm from Houston, Texas. 643 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: You've from San Antonio, Texas. I love text next you know, 644 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: I will eat that for breakfast, I would eat it 645 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: for lunch. I I just can't get enough of. I 646 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: just had to clothes and find out where was your heart? 647 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: When it comes to text Max, where's your heart? It was? 648 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: It was so obsessed with text Max that I had 649 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: to leave Texas to stay my heart because if not, 650 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: it would be clogged, that I'd be, I'd be on medication. 651 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: Right now, I just eat, I eat, I eat flower 652 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: gee right all day than when my brother, you look fantastic, 653 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: and I'm glad you lost that offensive line, work weight, 654 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: why receiver that you want to play in this sitcom? 655 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: Today you look fantastic, Anthon, And I'm glad I got 656 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: the interview on my show man and just also just 657 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: to spread the greatness of this sitcom. Man, then you 658 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: guys are doing a great job setting a great message 659 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: and brought back so many great memories, man about what 660 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: I did. And I always feel blessed about because a 661 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of people see a lot of my sitcoms now 662 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: that I wrote on and produced on Netflix. Now you know, 663 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: and it gets to people you wrote this, Yeah, that 664 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: was me, that was me. That was me. So so 665 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of like getting some Netflix love, Anthony. But again, brother, 666 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on money making Conversations. Thank you 667 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: for having me man, I really appreciate it. 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