Speaker 1: Welcome to Out of Money. I'm Joel, I'm Matt, and
Speaker 1: today we're celebrating episode one thousand with an ask Me
Speaker 1: Anything episode. So should we have gotten some airhorns to
Speaker 1: be able to be like in the background as we're
Speaker 1: celebrating this, Hey, we should have gotten a live in
Speaker 1: studio audience, invited them up to our clubhouse. Listeners.
Speaker 2: Can't see me raising my glass, but cheers buddy. Seriously,
Speaker 2: one thousand episodes incredible, quite the milestone.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I could celebrate it with you. Specifically.
Speaker 1: Who else would be celebrated with Seriously, there's.
Speaker 2: No one else. Yeah, I never never thought that we'd
Speaker 2: hit a thousand. Did we celebrate when we hit a hundred?
Speaker 2: I'm sure we did in some way, And I think
Speaker 2: maybe we even contemplated when we hit five hundred episodes.
Speaker 2: But a thoud that's a serious landmark milestone episode.
Speaker 1: But we should really be celebrating our listeners for putting
Speaker 1: up with us for this long and it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been possible to keep listening. Yeah, because for some reason
Speaker 1: they love us or like us enough guess enough, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love They're like they're listening right and like it
Speaker 1: feels a bit strong. I like you, okay, but uh no,
Speaker 1: there's and so many good uh but it was funny.
Speaker 1: I was listening to recently, Matt. There's this podcast called
Speaker 1: econ Talk and it's like super nerdy, pointy headed economist
Speaker 1: podcast that's been around for almost twenty years. And Russ
Speaker 1: the host over there, just celebrated his thousands of episode,
Speaker 1: and so I was listening to his and he took
Speaker 1: questions from chess ept uh and he was like, which
Speaker 1: I thought was like interesting, especially for what he does
Speaker 1: and the style of show that he creates. But for us,
Speaker 1: we'd like hearing from the people, the people's questions. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted, because actually I did real quick.
Speaker 1: I looked up on chat GPT, like what questions would
Speaker 1: you ask Matt Joel celebrating their thousands episode? Interesting, they
Speaker 1: came up. They were super lame and basic. I was like,
Speaker 1: the questions our listeners sent in are way better than that,
Speaker 1: so much more personality. Yes, so we got thank you
Speaker 1: by the way for submitting those questions. We will get
Speaker 1: to as many as humanly possible. Yes, over of course
Speaker 1: this did you want to share so last weeks? So
Speaker 1: it was the last.
Speaker 2: Friday's episode with Jilly, and we talked about the sabbaticals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do we want to should we share now or at
Speaker 2: the end of the episode? Kind of planned at the
Speaker 2: end we'll talk about our sabbaticals the stick around. But
Speaker 2: let's maybe listen to last Friday's episode if you haven't
Speaker 2: already listened to the sabbatical episode. Also, let us know
Speaker 2: what you thought of that format. We totally switched things
Speaker 2: up and took a very unstructured kind of casual approach
Speaker 2: to it and more organic. Yeah, and granted that particular
Speaker 2: topic allowed us to do something like that, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if listeners were drawn to that,
Speaker 2: because I think there are different ways that we could
Speaker 2: tweak the show in the future, which honest and we're
Speaker 2: trying all sorts of new things now. Yeah, now is
Speaker 2: as good a time as ever to consider what the
Speaker 2: show looks like moving forward, because we've been doing the
Speaker 2: same way for a long time, and we've made iterations
Speaker 2: over these last seven plus years exactly, but we will
Speaker 2: probably make more and more just to try to I
Speaker 2: don't know, be relevant then stick with the times, and
Speaker 2: maybe we're not necessarily wetted to a singular format or
Speaker 2: just how we've done things.
Speaker 1: My biggest question for people is is the intro too long?
Speaker 1: Do we need to cut the music back? Like? Should
Speaker 1: we just get straight to it?
Speaker 2: That's why I intentionally did not include the music on
Speaker 2: a Jillian's episode, And I just liked how he just
Speaker 2: kind of kicked things off because it reminds me of
Speaker 2: some of my favorite shows that are a little more
Speaker 2: personal in nature, where it sounds like you're just joining
Speaker 2: the conversation as opposed to feeling like something has been
Speaker 2: dished up set on the plate perfectly for you, like
Speaker 2: a may Er d at some super fancy Michelin star
Speaker 2: restaurant where it's all perfect, as opposed to, hey, how
Speaker 2: about you jump into the kitchen here and let's throw
Speaker 2: some food on the plate.
Speaker 1: Should we underproduce a little more basically is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe, yeah, a little more rustic. Obviously
Speaker 2: there's different reasons for us to consider that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: this is an AMA and ask me anything. And specifically
Speaker 2: we asked the listeners to reach out with questions that
Speaker 2: they might have had for us that were specifically non
Speaker 2: financial in nature. Some kind of slipped through the cracks
Speaker 2: and found their way into some of the money questions.
Speaker 1: Slip through the cracks. Well, we love We'll still get
Speaker 1: to those. We love your money questions, and we want
Speaker 1: to take those moving forward post sabbatical with regularity. It's
Speaker 1: super fun and then we'll get back to that the
Speaker 1: heart of the show. Have too money, but it's really
Speaker 1: fun when you have other questions for us that don't
Speaker 1: align with personal finance, and this is just like a
Speaker 1: rare opportunity to dig into those questions that you have.
Speaker 1: And I hopefully we'll have even more of these in
Speaker 1: the future, but this is I'm looking forward to this totally.
Speaker 2: And we have a ton of questions and so we're
Speaker 2: actually not going to play the any voice memos. We're
Speaker 2: going to read the questions. That way we can get
Speaker 2: to as many different topics as possible. Joel, you nik
Speaker 2: kick it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it all right. This one came from Allison.
Speaker 1: She says, why don't you and Matt go on a
Speaker 1: nationwide tour and hang party, barbecue, drink craft beer all
Speaker 1: around the country. You could even incorporate some fundraising along
Speaker 1: the way, maybe for some nonprofits that help underserve kids
Speaker 1: learn about money. If you come to Sacramento, she says,
Speaker 1: I will help organize, which is enticing, because organization not
Speaker 1: my strong suit. Man. How's this sound to you? Would
Speaker 1: you would you be be down for this? Well? I
Speaker 1: think so. I really like the idea. I like the
Speaker 1: idea of nonprofits raising money. I like the idea of
Speaker 1: a nationwide tour. The tough thing. It's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to like leave the fan for that long.
Speaker 2: That is the first thing that went through my mind,
Speaker 2: like or maybe we wanted to get a giant RV
Speaker 2: all together had.
Speaker 1: Of money across America. If truly, if it wasn't for
Speaker 1: the kids and for Kate.
Speaker 2: Because I don't think they would necessarily want to like
Speaker 2: be dragged along, like towed along the entire country. Sure,
Speaker 2: while we went and did these fun things, like I
Speaker 2: would like I when I travel with them, I want
Speaker 2: to be able to do things with them.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that it's a cop out.
Speaker 2: But I do think that if I were in a
Speaker 2: completely different stage of life, if I if we didn't
Speaker 2: have kids, and I think our wives would even be
Speaker 2: more on board with like going along and just kind
Speaker 2: of doing whatever. Almost the four of us along the way,
Speaker 2: But so much of my time now I am so
Speaker 2: focusing on being able to do stuff at home. Like
Speaker 2: garbage time is a phrase that I keep coming back
Speaker 2: to that I am really enjoying because we just forced
Speaker 2: reference right when there's like there's like two minutes left
Speaker 2: on the clock and you can't like it's it's the time.
Speaker 2: I realize that that's where it came from. I sh
Speaker 2: knew that the Seinfield uh mentioned that's my garbage time.
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's usually like the is that what he
Speaker 1: was referenced of the game that feel unimportant, But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of importance in.
Speaker 2: The yeah yeah, and so a lot of times, like
Speaker 2: the way he describes it is that we put so
Speaker 2: much hope on these massive trips, yeah, or the big
Speaker 2: events or what the big turning sixteen and you get
Speaker 2: your car whatever, all these other things as opposed to
Speaker 2: the in between moments kind of sprinkled throughout life, which
Speaker 2: is where the real sort of living happens, and how
Speaker 2: in particular I think our kids form their memories like
Speaker 2: it is the it makes me think of like a
Speaker 2: science fair project, like the poster board.
Speaker 1: It's like the backboard.
Speaker 2: It's like you like that has to be there in
Speaker 2: order to pin the bigger things in life too. It's
Speaker 2: like the substrate of our life. Yeah, and a lot
Speaker 2: of times we're trying to get rid of the garbage time,
Speaker 2: and like, oh, I wish life was just more efficient.
Speaker 2: But I think so much of the not to get
Speaker 2: overly philosophical right out of the gate, but I feel
Speaker 2: like so much of that is what makes life amazing.
Speaker 1: Like I less remember my dad teaching me how to drive,
Speaker 1: and more him throwing me in the pool, And like
Speaker 1: throwing me in the pool is like, uh, is a
Speaker 1: garbage time sort of thing. So I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I think though, what resonates with me about this question
Speaker 1: and the thing the hardest part of podcasting is that
Speaker 1: I get We get to meet so few listeners, and
Speaker 1: every once in a while we do. Matt, we went
Speaker 1: to a soccer game recently and we ran into a listener.
Speaker 1: We're talking to him, and somebody another listener was walking by.
Speaker 1: That's what I was like, Oh, I forgot about it.
Speaker 1: I just wish I had more run ins with listeners
Speaker 1: and so because it is a joy, like they're always
Speaker 1: cool and they're always like kind and conscientious, and so
Speaker 1: I do wish I had I got to meet.
Speaker 2: More of you, all right, Juliana wrote, if you two
Speaker 2: were to open a brewery, what would it be known for?
Speaker 2: So specialty beer type, location, environment, entertainment, whatever feature Joel,
Speaker 2: if this isn't something we've ever that we've talked about,
Speaker 2: so what would you were you to open a brewery?
Speaker 1: I think what aspects would you want to focus on?
Speaker 1: I think friendliness and hayes Is are the two things
Speaker 1: I really thought about, and hazy IPA's specifically, and then
Speaker 1: a friendly yeah spot. I mean, if you've been to
Speaker 1: many craft breweries, a lot of them, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of cool people, but sometimes they're too cool for school.
Speaker 1: And I love the idea of just being super friendly
Speaker 1: with everybody who walks in and having a community, like
Speaker 1: a cheers, like joint people to enjoy a deliciously crafted beer,
Speaker 1: but also like to know people. That's what's so great
Speaker 1: about breweries.
Speaker 2: Is that too cool for school aspect kind of goes
Speaker 2: out the window after you have like one beer and
Speaker 2: then you're like, all right, we used to you know,
Speaker 2: thirty minutes ago, I was feeling a kind of snobby.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well let me give you a hug.
Speaker 2: I would So you've not been to font of Flora
Speaker 2: up in North Carolina. From a vibe standpoint, that would
Speaker 2: be the kind of brewery that I would love to open.
Speaker 2: Like the intersection of food and drink and like nature
Speaker 2: and like like farm fresh ingredients that they're using a
Speaker 2: lot of local ingredients to make to make their beers.
Speaker 2: It makes me think of during our road trip next month,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping to make it up to Hill Farmstead, which
Speaker 2: I think a lot of brewers across the country have
Speaker 2: kind of based their operation on that, which is like
Speaker 2: it's on a farm, it's out in the country, like
Speaker 2: Hill Farmstead.
Speaker 1: It looks like an old cedar shake house essentially, you know,
Speaker 1: and it just looks so approachable, so cool. The intersection
Speaker 1: of nature and local farm like ingredients and incorporating that
Speaker 1: and like that. That is the kind of like where
Speaker 1: you're able to see in Texas to another one.
Speaker 2: Why have you been to just make it out there.
Speaker 2: They've got an incredible farm sort of set up as well.
Speaker 2: I have yet to make it there, but that's the
Speaker 2: kind of vibe i'd want to go for that, Like
Speaker 2: plus some scenery. I don't know, maybe some hiking trails
Speaker 2: as well, if you're like, you know what, let me,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk this beer off and like the ability
Speaker 2: to hit some trails, Like how cool does that sound?
Speaker 1: That'd be killing I like that that plus Okay, so
Speaker 1: style barrel age stuff like for me, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even think I care either barrel aged showers or
Speaker 1: barrel aged stouts, but I would want to be in
Speaker 1: charge of the barrel program. Just that white oak. What
Speaker 1: about barreg pills? Nurse they do they do that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's the what's the British innocent gun?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Those those are European bloggers or pills that are slightly
Speaker 2: aged and oak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least all right. This is next question comes
Speaker 1: from Rebecca. She says, what's your favorite board game? So
Speaker 1: there's a Catan okay, all the way that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the OG, that's the classic first. I mean that
Speaker 1: has to have sold more copy the OG of the
Speaker 1: strategy board games than any other one.
Speaker 2: And the fact we've been playing it more because we've
Speaker 2: got Catan Junior, which is what we've been playing with
Speaker 2: the kids, and it's one of the few that we
Speaker 2: can all sit down and play together.
Speaker 1: I know, goes Captain. I know the reason they like it,
Speaker 1: just to be able to stop them. Well, you like
Speaker 1: the trash talk, and you like the negotiation, and you
Speaker 1: like to be a little underhanded at times. Well, and
Speaker 1: you get to use those skills. You don't normally get
Speaker 1: to use the underhanded nature in everyday life, but in
Speaker 1: Catain you do. It's a free market. You don't have
Speaker 1: to trade with me, trade with me. I'm going to
Speaker 1: put the trade out there. Yeah. Actually, so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get the kids.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to encourage the kids to participate in person
Speaker 2: to person trading within Catan Junior. Because they're like, it's
Speaker 2: not a part of the rules. I'm like, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure you can do that if everyone agrees to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've yet to win that argument. But board games,
Speaker 1: which man, there have been different ones over the years
Speaker 1: depending on how much time I had in my life,
Speaker 1: And king Domino is one that's like short, replayable but
Speaker 1: doesn't get boring. So I love that one. And yeah,
Speaker 1: if it takes twenty minutes, I'm more likely to play it.
Speaker 1: I used to love four or five hour long board
Speaker 1: games just ain't happen in these days. But when we
Speaker 1: do go on vacation together, the one that we play,
Speaker 1: you Me, Kate and Emily. We typically play a choir
Speaker 1: and that's a really fun one, especially with our so
Speaker 1: fun love of real estate. I like that one, and
Speaker 1: you kind of also the purging of corporations and sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't know who's gonna win until the very end.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's a good game. Maybe you have
Speaker 1: an idea, but not really. So I like that too,
Speaker 1: that it's just kind of shrouded in mystery for a while.
Speaker 2: By the way, we didn't even introduce our beer at
Speaker 2: the very the course, we're totally just like throwing things
Speaker 2: upside down. But this one just so folks know that
Speaker 2: we are in fact enjoying a hazy ipa. This is
Speaker 2: called Dark Hedges, which is a beer by a hot butcher.
Speaker 1: For the world. We might even get to a second
Speaker 1: one here towards the end of the episode. Two beers today.
Speaker 1: All right, So Susan wants to know what's your favorite
Speaker 1: distance to run? Would either of you ever run? Want
Speaker 1: to run an ultra marathon? Favorite distance is easy to
Speaker 1: k I love the tin k. Yeah, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's the perfect distance because it's not so short.
Speaker 1: Like five k you're almost.
Speaker 2: Like sprinting the whole time, whereas a ten k you
Speaker 2: get into that rhythm. I like finding that rhythm.
Speaker 1: It's easier to keep going to ten k pace because
Speaker 1: five k pace is just a little bit you're kind
Speaker 1: of constantly pushing yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like as if their masters were what's the
Speaker 2: line from legalists from the Two Towers.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't remember, but I'm really run as if
Speaker 1: their masters are at their backs. I'm reading the first
Speaker 1: book in that trilogy right now. Are you enjoying the
Speaker 1: heck out of it? Yeah, I'm almost done with it.
Speaker 1: I'll move on to two once it's available on Libby.
Speaker 1: I remember you mentioned that, though, Yeah, we'll have to
Speaker 1: catch up. I would say my favor right now is
Speaker 1: the half marathon because I'm just thirteen points one. I'm
Speaker 1: built more for long distances. I'm not super speedy, so
Speaker 1: the five k I'm like, I'm like huff and win
Speaker 1: because I'm just not fast. But I'm like I can
Speaker 1: outlast people now, Yeah, I can just go long, just
Speaker 1: keep going. Yeah, and uh, ultra marathon. Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I see that in my future. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I told I mean I would like to, But how
Speaker 1: much do I have? What it takes actually run fifty
Speaker 1: k or one hundred k, I don't know. Man. It's
Speaker 1: a lot of time required to train for that level
Speaker 1: of run too, So I mean you have to have
Speaker 1: like ten hours a week set aside. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 1: for running, he's a trained for an.
Speaker 2: Ultra Not to mention all the time that the additional
Speaker 2: time that you're spending icing yourself down, hitting it with
Speaker 2: the massage, gun.
Speaker 1: Stretching, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I could see myself being an old man ultra marathon
Speaker 2: r ye, Like, once the kids are out of the
Speaker 2: house and I've got a lot more time on my hands,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be one of those old grizzly just
Speaker 2: dudes that look like he's about to die till you die.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, all right. Travis says, what's the best half
Speaker 1: marathon in Georgia for runners training in New York weather?
Speaker 1: My fiance and I want to eventually do one in
Speaker 1: all fifty states, which is that's fun. That's a really
Speaker 1: cool goal. So that's he's picking up on my favorite distance.
Speaker 1: I don't know the best one in Georgia, but I'll
Speaker 1: tell you my favorite one that I've run so far,
Speaker 1: literally wearing the T shirt from it right now and back.
Speaker 1: They have a half in a Foal and it's a
Speaker 1: trail half marathon up in the mountains, up in the mountains,
Speaker 1: and so it's beautiful. It's in April, so it's a
Speaker 1: great time of year where it's kind of cool but
Speaker 1: it's not cold and it's not hot. I don't really
Speaker 1: probably want to run one in like late July or
Speaker 1: anything like that, so that that would be my tip run.
Speaker 1: I'll run it with you if you come.
Speaker 2: The Thanksgiving Day half. That's the cooler temperatures as well
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, which is wait, so it used to be
Speaker 2: the public's half, I'm pretty sure. Now it's in Vesco.
Speaker 2: It's the QQQ half Marathon, so.
Speaker 1: Now I think the public's one in that's in the spring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it used to be the public's okay
Speaker 2: half at Thanksgiving, but then a new buyer came in,
Speaker 2: so that kind of feels like.
Speaker 1: An appropriate how to money half marathon.
Speaker 2: It's the QQQ half Marathon acquisition, which I don't even
Speaker 2: know what QQQ is. It's not a that's it's not
Speaker 2: an S and P fIF hundred No, no, no, that's the
Speaker 2: technology focus is the it's or nasdak.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it literally reflects the nastac Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: Kat said, what did you want to be when you
Speaker 1: grew up? Joel? So did I have the tense correct that?
Speaker 1: What did you want to be? Yeaheah, okay, Now what
Speaker 1: do you want to be when you grow up? Currently?
Speaker 1: As if you are still immature? Sometimes I say that.
Speaker 2: Because sometimes I feel that way, where like what do
Speaker 2: I want to be? What do I want to be
Speaker 2: when I grow up? I still got plenty of life
Speaker 2: ahead of me. My favorite childhood.
Speaker 1: Job that I aspired to is to become a baseball broadcaster,
Speaker 1: and that was I was a big baseball fan, but
Speaker 1: also just like talking, as you might have deduced at
Speaker 1: this point if you've been listening for any length of time,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh man, I get to
Speaker 1: do both those things. One of my favorite sport and
Speaker 1: then this passion for delivering information to people. And I'm
Speaker 1: so glad actually that I did not end up there.
Speaker 1: I think I was really tired of baseball. I just
Speaker 1: don't really follow sports much anymore, and so I think
Speaker 1: I'd be like bored out of my mind if I
Speaker 1: was forced to. But now you follow money.
Speaker 2: Would you have followed sports if you were a baseball
Speaker 2: ball cred? I mean the ability to broadcast from I
Speaker 2: guess I just think about all the different stadiums do.
Speaker 1: The different broadcaster? Did they travel at all? Or are
Speaker 1: you basically stationed like at a stadium? They traveled? They
Speaker 1: travel travel with the team. Yeah, see how which sounds cool?
Speaker 1: How cool would be to go and you know it
Speaker 1: would be announce a game? It would be I like
Speaker 1: what we do more? Yeah? Well, mine, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like I went through different phases, right because as a
Speaker 2: little kid, after watching Free Willy, who doesn't want to
Speaker 2: be a marine biologist?
Speaker 1: Yes, so I definitely went through that phase well.
Speaker 2: Going into college, I was pre med and so, like
Speaker 2: a lot of science majors, wanted to be a doctor.
Speaker 2: But I remember multiple times as a kid knowing that
Speaker 2: I wanted to own my own business. My mom had
Speaker 2: a bunch of friends who owned different stores and businesses
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and I remember always talking to
Speaker 2: them and them saying, oh, yeah, do you want to
Speaker 2: own your own business someday, And at that point time,
Speaker 2: it was always like a brick and mortar, like some
Speaker 2: sort of business that provides a service or sells something.
Speaker 2: Never thought that I would have a business like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you had a brick and mortar, would
Speaker 1: it be a coffee shop? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like kind of like a third place sort of hangings,
Speaker 2: I think. So I'm trying to think what else? What
Speaker 2: else would I I can't think of something else I
Speaker 2: would want to sell, and that's something like on a
Speaker 2: daily basis. Yeah, yeah, coffee shop sounds pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: pull the best espresso shots over here, no.
Speaker 1: Doubt Matt's Coffee. Gotta work on the name, all right.
Speaker 1: Jenny says, if you were inclined to create a bucket list,
Speaker 1: what are five items you would make sure was on
Speaker 1: the list?
Speaker 2: Okay, you do this one, because I basically refuse to
Speaker 2: answer this. Really, I'm not like a bucket list guy.
Speaker 2: I've got a few things I want to do in
Speaker 2: my life. So a hot air balloon ride. I really
Speaker 2: want to ride in hot air balloon before I die.
Speaker 2: I want to visit Japan. I want to hike the
Speaker 2: Communo Santia. I go preferably with my dad, a full
Speaker 2: trail marathon sod.
Speaker 1: I don't let you though, if your dad can't make it, okay,
Speaker 1: because I would love to do that. You can come
Speaker 1: with us, but three of us. It'll be fun. And
Speaker 1: I want to become a grandparent. So those are things
Speaker 1: that I really want to enjoy before I die. So again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to like get overly philosophic. I want
Speaker 1: to affirm your choices. Those all sound awesome, by the way,
Speaker 1: but I just hate the idea of.
Speaker 2: Checklists and like it just seems like it's something that
Speaker 2: like you want to experience those things. I hate the
Speaker 2: bucket list methodology though, because it feels like if you
Speaker 2: don't do those things that you haven't lived, you haven't
Speaker 2: achieved what it was, what it is that you want
Speaker 2: to achieve. It almost makes it feel like it to
Speaker 2: do list, which is like there are things I do
Speaker 2: not necessarily because I enjoy doing those things. Like typically
Speaker 2: when you make a list, it's because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I need to update the insurance information. There's not like
Speaker 2: it's not like the process of doing that is something
Speaker 2: that I enjoy as opposed to the things I enjoy
Speaker 2: they should come more naturally to me as a opposed
Speaker 2: to you to be more a game writing it out.
Speaker 1: I guess so the only thing on your bucket list
Speaker 1: is to hate on bucket lists. Yeah? Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 1: That's good. I'll read the next one to see.
Speaker 2: Ariana wrote, if you had no responsibilities, jol and if
Speaker 2: you could do exactly what it is that you wanted,
Speaker 2: what would be your perfect way to spend your day?
Speaker 1: Do you? Okay? So this is a slightly separate question.
Speaker 2: Do you have any talents if you go back in time,
Speaker 2: which you pursue those talents knowing what you know now?
Speaker 2: So two part question the perfect day and are hidden
Speaker 2: talents a part of that perfect day?
Speaker 1: Okay? So I would say perfect day going for a run,
Speaker 1: coffee with a friend, little disc golf. I never played
Speaker 1: disc golf anymore, but that would be involved in a
Speaker 1: perfect day, some smoked meats. See how it challenge you
Speaker 1: that I don't think the disc off is as important
Speaker 1: to you anymore. It's not.
Speaker 2: But got this place in your mind that you think
Speaker 2: that that signal five is a perfect day. But I
Speaker 2: am here to say maybe the run has replaced that,
Speaker 2: because if it was something that you enjoy doing again,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be on your list. It would just be
Speaker 2: something that you went and did.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of like the bucket list thinking.
Speaker 1: But if I had all day to myself, i'd throw
Speaker 1: that in because the disco, I'm not going to run
Speaker 1: for five hours. So if I run as you're running ultras,
Speaker 1: if I run for one hour, then I can still
Speaker 1: get a round of the disc golf into and then
Speaker 1: maybe hanging out at the pool with my fam especially
Speaker 1: this time of year, Like what's better than that? So see,
Speaker 1: that's what's so great is that we've been able to
Speaker 1: incorporate some of the early retired or like Coast Fire
Speaker 1: lifestyle into some of the days and weeks that we've
Speaker 1: been able to enjoy recently. And it causes me to
Speaker 1: want to challenge myself to think that there are ways
Speaker 1: I can do these quote unquote perfect day things on
Speaker 1: a more ongoing basis. This makes me think back.
Speaker 2: You remember like Matt's Perfect Week that I did like
Speaker 2: several years ago, where I like, I.
Speaker 1: Mean Laura Vandercam special Right yeah.
Speaker 2: Well that well, I mean I think I came up
Speaker 2: with it on my own, Okay, and then she reached
Speaker 2: out because she wanted to hear me talk about it,
Speaker 2: and then she included it in her book. But I
Speaker 2: wanted to prove to myself that in a seven day
Speaker 2: period of time that I could do a lot of
Speaker 2: the different things I wanted to do in life, because
Speaker 2: at that point in life, I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: had the time to it'say, oh, do I have the
Speaker 2: ability to go and go for.
Speaker 1: A run, meet up with friends and.
Speaker 2: Grab beers, have coffee with this other friend, do all
Speaker 2: these other responsibilities that I had, but also the fun things.
Speaker 2: And I think, okay, not to make this overtly lessonee
Speaker 2: in like what's.
Speaker 1: The big takeaway here?
Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of folks who are
Speaker 2: listening like us Joel, who have done the really hard things.
Speaker 2: They have sacrificed, they have saved and invested for like
Speaker 2: decades now, and I think a lot of those folks
Speaker 2: might be closer to living the quote unquote perfect day
Speaker 2: on a more regular basis, as opposed to feeling like
Speaker 2: for us, oh that we have to even wait up,
Speaker 2: hold off and wait until summer to be able to
Speaker 2: have some of these perfect days. Yea, And for somebody
Speaker 2: else it may not be as extreme as that, where
Speaker 2: it's just like I want to be able to wake up,
Speaker 2: spend some time in the words, do some contemplative prayer,
Speaker 2: have breakfast with my family, or work out with Kate.
Speaker 2: That's my thing that I've actually been enjoying a whole
Speaker 2: lot lately, have breakfast with a family, engaged in some
Speaker 2: intellectual mind expanding sort of practice. Like that's pretty extreme,
Speaker 2: but I think there's a lot of people who are thinking.
Speaker 1: Dudes.
Speaker 2: For me, even just working out every day would be fantastic.
Speaker 2: But I think there are ways that a lot of
Speaker 2: folks can start making some of those aspects of life.
Speaker 1: More of a reality, start to buy back some of
Speaker 1: their time now and not just wait until mid to
Speaker 1: late sixties. Yeah, I totally agree. Okay, And if you
Speaker 1: go back in time, would you pursue a talent that
Speaker 1: haven't pursued? So, no, I don't think I have it.
Speaker 1: I don't have any hidden talents.
Speaker 2: The same I well, oh my gosh, okay, so I
Speaker 2: have n't played piano more and well my oldest daughter
Speaker 2: she plays, and where we're talking about getting a piano
Speaker 2: in the new space because we've got the space now
Speaker 2: for a little upright or maybe a studio piano. Turns
Speaker 2: out they're everywhere you can get a free piano, so
Speaker 2: you got to pay to get it moved and get
Speaker 2: it tuned or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's still going to cost you. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: a couple hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: But that's something that I've enjoyed doing, so I'm kind
Speaker 2: of like, oh man, and it opens up a different
Speaker 2: part of your brain, especially like music and just the
Speaker 2: way that the brain works as it's putting together notes
Speaker 2: and melody and uh, it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something I've enjoyed the song. I love it. All right,
Speaker 1: We've got more of your What about you? Oh, hidden
Speaker 1: talent talents? Yes, ask me. No. I think the only
Speaker 1: other interest I have job wise, if I wasn't doing
Speaker 1: this is like, I'm very highly relational, Like Walmart greeter
Speaker 1: doesn't sounding my ideal job, but in some ways it does. Right,
Speaker 1: So something customer service focused. I don't know what that
Speaker 1: would be, but I've always said, like, if I'm not
Speaker 1: in this, something that's highly relational, customer service focused is
Speaker 1: what I would want to do. So, yeah, what would
Speaker 1: that be? I don't know. Is that a hidden talent?
Speaker 1: Even that I like people. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know the way you approach it. It could, yeah, certainly
Speaker 1: be that. Yeah, all right, let's get to more questions,
Speaker 1: your questions. Lots of good ones coming up right after this.
Speaker 2: All right, man, we were back, Jim wrote, we all
Speaker 2: know the basic way you two met college, which is
Speaker 2: funny actually because we didn't meet in college. But how slash,
Speaker 2: When did you meet and say to yourself, this guy
Speaker 2: is pretty neat. I think I'll hang out with them
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life, start a business with him.
Speaker 2: What was your thought when you first met each other, Joel,
Speaker 2: What went through your mind when you first saw me
Speaker 2: across the room? Dudes, you got interesting hair, and you thought, oh,
Speaker 2: I have to approach this. Dudes got interesting hair was
Speaker 2: the first thing.
Speaker 1: I thought. You had the coolest hair. I have crazy
Speaker 1: hair back then? You still, yeah, you did. You had
Speaker 1: you love the hair gel, and it was you were
Speaker 1: it was smoking. It's not it was used to be
Speaker 1: a bit more uh rufio from hook. That's true.
Speaker 2: It was without without all the red or whatever color here.
Speaker 2: I think what stuck out very quickly upon meeting you too, Well,
Speaker 2: you guys had just like occasionally when you you were
Speaker 2: a photographer, you would shoot stuff and then you would
Speaker 2: occasionally that's that's like what well I was gonna say
Speaker 2: Occaionally you would barter for stuff for your job, so
Speaker 2: you could barter. You borted for a beach house. One
Speaker 2: time you bartered for free food at a restaurant, like
Speaker 2: gift cards to a restaurant.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys invited us to partake it. We
Speaker 1: didn't really know you very well, and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got the gift card, come eat with us, and
Speaker 1: you paid for our fancy meal. And I was like, man, generous,
Speaker 1: cool people. We don't know you very well, and you
Speaker 1: still invited us to do that. So I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of first time I want to hang
Speaker 1: out with.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, man, I appreciate that. And I totally
Speaker 2: forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We had some neighbors, some friends of ours. They owned
Speaker 2: a restaurant and they were looking for some new images
Speaker 2: for their for the website, and they hooked us up
Speaker 2: with a pretty fat gift card. And we're just like,
Speaker 2: we could go here a couple of times, maybe even yeah,
Speaker 2: a couple of times at least, or we can buy
Speaker 2: julll and Emily and throw down some amazing rabbis. I
Speaker 2: specifically remember that you and I both got we both
Speaker 2: got revised. So just so folks know, we actually met
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. We didn't meet in college. We did
Speaker 2: not know each other in college, although I feel like
Speaker 2: we would have been buds based on stories I hear
Speaker 2: from your college.
Speaker 1: Sure, but we met.
Speaker 2: It's funny enough we met playing board games, like I
Speaker 2: don't technically remember meeting you. Prior to that game party,
Speaker 2: A mutual friend invited us over to their house and
Speaker 2: we played I'm guessing something like Puerto Rico or Settlers
Speaker 2: of Catan, something like that. But that's that was my
Speaker 2: first memory, and I just remember thinking, you're more extra
Speaker 2: extroverted than I am. You're more social, and I know
Speaker 2: it's helpful for me to be around folks who pulled
Speaker 2: me out a little bit more, because I know my
Speaker 2: natural tendency is to stay at home and I enjoy
Speaker 2: going out. But you like to go up more than
Speaker 2: I do. I do, which means it pulls me in
Speaker 2: a healthy direction. So in that way, I think we compliment.
Speaker 1: I think that each other the starting a business thing
Speaker 1: together like we obviously I came later down much later,
Speaker 1: but then it became this like passion and practical pursuit
Speaker 1: for us was like, oh, how can we do this
Speaker 1: thing where we get to work together and enjoy something
Speaker 1: that we create and it allows you to not to
Speaker 1: work on the weekends, which you had to do as
Speaker 1: a wedding photographer, and so it was. It was practical,
Speaker 1: but it was also passion oriented. You and I really
Speaker 1: cared deeply about the topic of personal finance, and we
Speaker 1: couldn't have predicted that it would have been become what
Speaker 1: it is and we would have been doing it as
Speaker 1: long as we have, and but we're thankful for it.
Speaker 1: And to get to work together, by the way, is
Speaker 1: a joy. Like not every day is awesome, but the
Speaker 1: whole arc of these past seven years like to get
Speaker 1: to work with your best friends seven coming up on eight, dude.
Speaker 1: I know people. I think a lot of people would
Speaker 1: recommend do not start a business with your best friend
Speaker 1: because it'll change your friendship. And I think there's actually
Speaker 1: maybe a question about this later something, but I'll just
Speaker 1: get it out of the bag right now. Working with
Speaker 1: your best friend can work as long as you prioritize
Speaker 1: the friendship above the business, and we have consistently tried
Speaker 1: to do that. Not that we don't care deeply about
Speaker 1: this business, but we care more about each other than
Speaker 1: what happens with totally and that matters a lot.
Speaker 2: I completely agree, not to completely get non sentimental, but
Speaker 2: I want to do Nichole's question here because she specifically
Speaker 2: was asking me about bucket list vacations, which is something
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 1: Like you hate bucket lists. Well, when you say bucketst
Speaker 1: then I can say it like, oh, where's somebody somewhere
Speaker 1: when on vacation that you would love to go? And
Speaker 1: that feels different to me than like a life bucket
Speaker 1: list of like before I die, I must do these things.
Speaker 2: It is so in Italy, Northern Italy, the Dolomites, beautiful
Speaker 2: amazing mountains and they have these lodges or these huts
Speaker 2: that you can get up into the like alpine zone
Speaker 2: just just it's beautiful. But then you hike, like you'll
Speaker 2: hike for like five hours, like along this trail. It's
Speaker 2: like a route or a circuit, and then you get
Speaker 2: to the next lodge or the next hut and then
Speaker 2: you spend the night there and there's a series of
Speaker 2: these that you can do. And when I think about specifically,
Speaker 2: I mean what I love to do the most, especially
Speaker 2: with Kate, like that is what we love to do,
Speaker 2: and so that again it's it's sort of the marring
Speaker 2: of food and drink mixed with amazing scenery, but with
Speaker 2: a splash of additional culture thrown in, which sounds like
Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing that I that I certainly
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: Sounds participate in. What about you? I think Japan like
Speaker 1: going back to the baseball thing. I love how much
Speaker 1: they love baseball. I would love to see some baseball
Speaker 1: games in Japan. That sounds like a fun experience. We
Speaker 1: love the coffee culture, the food culture, like I would.
Speaker 1: I just would love to exper I've been to China,
Speaker 1: it was awesome. I would love to experience Japan one
Speaker 1: of these days. Maybe we'll do it. Man, all right,
Speaker 1: Laura says, what's the best non money advice you ever got? Slash,
Speaker 1: what's the craziest, weirdest part time job you've ever had?
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another two parter. Uh, do you remember getting
Speaker 2: advice as a kid?
Speaker 1: Not? Or maybe I'm assuming that you're asking advice as
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, I was thinking young adult, and I
Speaker 1: was specifically my mind went to marriage counseling before Emily
Speaker 1: and I got married, and I remember the person who
Speaker 1: was doing our marriage counseling said, don't ever use the
Speaker 1: D word divorced. Okay, Yeah, And actually that's been incredibly
Speaker 1: helpful because once you use that word, once you open
Speaker 1: those those fund dates, like it creates a lot of
Speaker 1: instability in your relationship. And so never using that and
Speaker 1: realizing that that was never an option for us, it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we haven't had hard times in our
Speaker 1: marriage and our life, and that there are times where
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't even know if I like this
Speaker 1: person right now. I know that's how she feels about
Speaker 1: me sometimes less mean about her. But that's saying that
Speaker 1: that's off limits. That was really wise sage advice for me.
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I immediately thought back to like when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I think I was too much
Speaker 2: of an idiot to actually hear the great wisdom that
Speaker 2: was being served up to me, you know, like I'm
Speaker 2: sure my grandpa, I'm sure my dad, my mom that
Speaker 2: they said quite wise things for me to maybe pick
Speaker 2: up on, but I just was not.
Speaker 1: I did not have the years to hear it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so one thing, so I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what is something that actually stands up the parenting advice
Speaker 2: or it's like a not a parable but like a
Speaker 2: phrase prepare the child for the road, don't prepare the
Speaker 2: road for the child. It's something I always keep coming
Speaker 2: back to when it comes to anything, like you take
Speaker 2: that and just apply it to all aspects of parenting,
Speaker 2: and I think you're going to be all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What about from a job standpoint though? So the
Speaker 1: second part of a question, Okay, craziest job, weirdest was
Speaker 1: dressing up as a cell phone after school in high school.
Speaker 1: We got paid fifteen bucks an hour under the table.
Speaker 1: That was pretty good. Nice. But I think my favorite
Speaker 1: part time job was working the photo booth at Eckert's
Speaker 1: back in the day. I don't even think they have
Speaker 1: humans running those things anymore. That's all. It's all computers,
Speaker 1: computers and machines. But that I love that because you
Speaker 1: I get to live vicariously through other people's vacations and
Speaker 1: then they come to pick up their photos and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, how was your trip. It looked awesome
Speaker 1: and it was fun. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My like, none of my jobs seem wacky or crazy
Speaker 2: to me. It's it's just my life, I guess. So
Speaker 2: mine goes to the first job where I received money
Speaker 2: from somebody else that wasn't my parents, and that was
Speaker 2: selling golf balls.
Speaker 1: And so I would spend the summers as a kid.
Speaker 2: So and so, yeah, we would find like find them
Speaker 2: in the woods, scour the woods, the creeks, and they're
Speaker 2: just nasty, and we'd take them to well, this is
Speaker 2: the best part. We'd take them to the tea box
Speaker 2: of the different holes and put them in the ball cleaner.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So we wouldn't even take it home and
Speaker 2: like use our own soap or it does. Like we
Speaker 2: could clean it right here, set up on the side
Speaker 2: of the car path and sell back to these golfers
Speaker 2: the balls that they hit into the woods, basically and
Speaker 2: something that they're too lazy to go find and clean
Speaker 2: up themselves, well because they don't want to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: they're wearing their nice golf clothes and we're just like
Speaker 2: these grimy, poison ivy ridden kids.
Speaker 1: That's a service man.
Speaker 2: That was my first taste of entrepreneurship, I think, and
Speaker 2: to realize that, like, oh man, I get to do
Speaker 2: this exactly how I want, and you don't have to
Speaker 2: buy the thing for me.
Speaker 1: I want you to buy it.
Speaker 2: And I think you would love these perfectly unblemish nice
Speaker 2: looking top flights or titleists that you just hit into
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 1: But yeah, stand I'm always amazed at the myriad ways
Speaker 1: people can make money in our society. I saw a
Speaker 1: van the other day a company it was like exterior
Speaker 1: lighting for homes, like that's all they did. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's highly specialized. All you're doing is exter your lighting
Speaker 1: on like the bushes in the house.
Speaker 2: And creating billboards of folks who do not just say
Speaker 2: it sounds like you're talking about the kind of lighting
Speaker 2: that you install the lights and it is like uplighting
Speaker 2: on the house, yes, or the tree. I've seen billboards
Speaker 2: around the holidays where they're advertising their services to put
Speaker 2: up your Christmas lights, that's right, and then also take
Speaker 2: them down, which I guess I kind of get because
Speaker 2: there's a risk physical you are in peril. Sometimes if
Speaker 2: you're up on the ladder and don't have that thing
Speaker 2: set right, you can come follow off Yah.
Speaker 1: Finding and washing golf balls is another one. You can
Speaker 1: have a list of ways to make money. Ken says,
Speaker 1: Since you spend so much time together, I'm wondering, do
Speaker 1: you ever get on each other's nerves? And if so,
Speaker 1: what's the secret to working through it quickly?
Speaker 2: I do think some of it comes back to sort
Speaker 2: of what you were saying before, putting each other first.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Neither you nor I have brothers,
Speaker 1: like we both have sisters. Yeah, And I think there's
Speaker 1: a certain amount of like brotherly love that goes into
Speaker 1: our relationship. And I think when we are both in
Speaker 1: healthy spaces and we see each other as like as
Speaker 1: brothers and we love each other just with that in mind,
Speaker 1: it helps to you know, you kind of overlook the
Speaker 1: different flaws that maybe the other guy has. I mean,
Speaker 1: I assume you do that for me, because I get
Speaker 1: my own flaws. But I think it's like loving each
Speaker 1: other but then also giving each other space because they're
Speaker 1: I mean, folks might hear us talk and at different
Speaker 1: phases in our life, we did more stuff together. We've
Speaker 1: also done less stuff together.
Speaker 2: But I think kind of finding that rhythm of like
Speaker 2: like we've got our own interests and our lives don't
Speaker 2: perfectly overlap each other, and so like you've got an interest,
Speaker 2: you you'll go do this thing. I'm kind of doing
Speaker 2: this thing over here. Obviously we come back and we
Speaker 2: still make the podcast, but we also come back and
Speaker 2: live life together in different ways too. But not every
Speaker 2: aspect of our lives is like a concentric circle. But
Speaker 2: there's an overlapping circle.
Speaker 1: Overlap, for sure. It's interesting. There's one question, then diagram
Speaker 1: sort of shifts over time. There's one question. I think
Speaker 1: we should get to a real quick because I think
Speaker 1: it just it piggybacks on this, Aaron said, do your
Speaker 1: other friends get jealous with how much time you spend
Speaker 1: together working on the pod, the newsletter articles, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: How long until you get sick of working together in
Speaker 1: any single session and need a.
Speaker 2: Break another friendship? Yeah, now a question. I don't think
Speaker 2: about all things that way. That that feels like too limited
Speaker 2: of frame of reference or point of view to think
Speaker 2: that they're are friends. I mean, I've got other friends
Speaker 2: out there, but are they thinking about the dynamic of
Speaker 2: our relationship?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. If they are, they don't, they
Speaker 1: don't tell me. Yeah. The lot of time that comes up,
Speaker 1: I think is like, because we moved to a new
Speaker 1: place and people were like, well, who are these families
Speaker 1: that wait, they pulled the trigger at the same time
Speaker 1: and they both moved three years ago. What is it
Speaker 1: that caused them to do this together? And I think
Speaker 1: they were like, do I have somebody I would do
Speaker 1: that with? And so I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are like the depth of that relationship is I think
Speaker 1: it is rare in this day and age, right, the
Speaker 1: people have a friendship that is almost like akin to
Speaker 1: a familial bond, And so I think from that aspect,
Speaker 1: not that I don't think friends get jealous, but I
Speaker 1: think they have at times been like, tell me what
Speaker 1: makes that work? Or tell me why is the why
Speaker 1: does it look like this? Why do you guys live
Speaker 1: your life in this way that is kind of tethered
Speaker 1: at the hip? I hope it is all inspiring and
Speaker 1: not like.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a weird, freakish cult or whatever, but like
Speaker 2: you're touching on something a question I don't think we'll
Speaker 2: get to. But you're specifically talking about the move when
Speaker 2: we moved out to the verbs, but like that was
Speaker 2: a tough stage in our lives, because not only was
Speaker 2: it tough for you and I, it was a little
Speaker 2: bit trickier from because the wives.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're moving your.
Speaker 2: Entire family, so it impacts everybody right, Like there are
Speaker 2: massive financial consequences here, social relationships. It was impacting the
Speaker 2: kids as well, and so that was certainly a period
Speaker 2: of time that required more discussions. We had a lot
Speaker 2: of what we call family meetings where we're sitting down
Speaker 2: and having the conversations of what this is going to
Speaker 2: look like for us to uproot and to find somewhere
Speaker 2: new to live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there's interest, but not jealousy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: On a related note, I guess about friendship Angela. She asked,
Speaker 2: it was so much easier as kids. How do you
Speaker 2: make adult friends, Joe?
Speaker 1: How do you do it?
Speaker 2: Do you just start talking to somebody that's asking their deepest,
Speaker 2: darkest fears.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd become both friends with somebody randomly and quickly.
Speaker 1: But I think that's probably my bent. But I do
Speaker 1: agree that it's so much harder. And we lamented this
Speaker 1: a lot. Emily and I both as when we moved
Speaker 1: up here, because it's like we're trying to build a
Speaker 1: new community and find new friends, and for a while
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm a little bit lonely. I don't know
Speaker 1: where my new crowd at. And so yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: in college you're best friends with somebody in like two days,
Speaker 1: and then when you have young kids, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a few months. And now it feels
Speaker 1: like it takes years for a friendship to blossom because like,
Speaker 1: your lives are just so busy, and it wasn't it's
Speaker 1: the stage of life we're in. Yeah, as well, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't that all surprise me that with the happiness.
Speaker 1: You see the happiness over a lifetime chart and it's
Speaker 1: pretty much at its lowest point right now. Yes, Like
Speaker 1: somewhere between like thirty eight and forty two years old
Speaker 1: is is where it's Seriously, it's literally the nator. It
Speaker 1: does not get any lower than it is right now.
Speaker 2: Because so much is being asked of us, it is
Speaker 2: hard to dedicate the time career to parenting and making
Speaker 2: friends and friendships. Relationships are the highest driver of happiness.
Speaker 2: I said, when you don't have the time to be
Speaker 2: able to do that, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I had a friend text me last night and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: last minute, but do you want to grab a beer?
Speaker 1: And eight years ago I would have been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: man in let's go. And I was like, even highly
Speaker 1: relational me, he was like, I mean not tonight. I'm surprised.
Speaker 2: I was expecting you to have a great Uh happened.
Speaker 2: It would not have happened if I would have said yes.
Speaker 1: I've also got a lot more balanced, I think where
Speaker 1: I I don't need that relational stuff as much as
Speaker 1: I used to it, even though I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I would say this that through
Speaker 1: kids events, swim team is one of those, by the way,
Speaker 1: where you spend a lot of time with other people's
Speaker 1: Shiam team. This summer has been an awesome way to
Speaker 1: get to meet people. Church is another place where I
Speaker 1: feel like I've gotten to know people and know them deeply.
Speaker 1: And I think in the in the burbs mat at
Speaker 1: least where we live, like running together, dude running clubs
Speaker 1: like the triple F thing. I know some guys that
Speaker 1: do that. I don't partake, but when you three as
Speaker 1: ye run sorry triple A, triple F whatever it is.
Speaker 1: But like I think, dudes bond up here by doing
Speaker 1: feats of strength together or whatever. So running with other
Speaker 1: guys that's actually been a good way for me to
Speaker 1: get it's some nosed fellas. If you're running slow but
Speaker 1: long distances, you got a lot of time to talk.
Speaker 2: That's true, Okay, Jim asks as best friends, you have
Speaker 2: a ton in common. But in what ways do you
Speaker 2: guys differ the most? What do you think, Joe, how
Speaker 2: do we differ?
Speaker 1: I think people would assume listening to podcasts, one, people
Speaker 1: say we sound alike, like their voices sound kind of like. Two.
Speaker 1: I think they're like, oh man, these guys like a
Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff. They like craft beer, they
Speaker 1: like money. When you hear about the stuff that Matt
Speaker 1: and Joel they both go to soccer matches together, they
Speaker 1: must be the same kind of person. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: because personality wise, you and I are incredibly different. It's true.
Speaker 1: People would cracking open another time, so people would assume, man,
Speaker 1: these guys are just carbon copies. But it's not true.
Speaker 1: So I think personality wise, we're very I'm not detail oriented.
Speaker 1: You are incredibly detail oriented. I do think that's one
Speaker 1: of the ways that we are the most different is just.
Speaker 2: We're oftentimes like looking to achieve the same goal, but
Speaker 2: how it is that we kind of get there. We
Speaker 2: kind of end up in a similar place, but we've
Speaker 2: found different ways to arrive there. It's also I think
Speaker 2: why we make a great team and why I think
Speaker 2: the business runs works so well with us both being.
Speaker 1: A part of it. And I think you tend to
Speaker 1: go deeper on interest, which is part of your attention
Speaker 1: to detail kind of way of living which I appreciate
Speaker 1: about you and I love and I feel like I
Speaker 1: learn a lot from that vicariously, when you dig deep
Speaker 1: into stuff and I get to hear the way your
Speaker 1: brain's working about it, and I just I don't know,
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I lack the ability to go as deep
Speaker 1: as you do, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ability, but it's just not I don't think
Speaker 2: that's just how you are naturally wired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, that I think the personality type, and
Speaker 1: it actually when it comes to running a business and
Speaker 1: when it comes to what we both bring to this podcast,
Speaker 1: I think I'm really glad that we're really different. And
Speaker 1: I also think if you were a carbon copy of me,
Speaker 1: I'd get annoyed really quickly. I would most certainly be
Speaker 1: annoyed with myself like and honestly, that's I tend to
Speaker 1: get the most annoyed with folks either who are the
Speaker 1: most like me, because I then see my own faults
Speaker 1: in somebody else and I'm just like, oh, that makes
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable because I see you doing something that I
Speaker 1: know I myself do. To say that, I feel that
Speaker 1: over the years that we've become Even though folks they
Speaker 1: know that we have similar interests. You just shared how
Speaker 1: we kind of have Oh we're that we are very different,
Speaker 1: I feel that we have actually sort of become more
Speaker 1: similarly over the years. I would there's a part of
Speaker 1: me that feels that way because early on I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't know when it comes to job, like
Speaker 1: you were working in radio.
Speaker 2: I own my own photography company. Like I was like you,
Speaker 2: You've been running a lot more now, which I love,
Speaker 2: but like back in the day, you're just like smoking
Speaker 2: cigarettes and play tennis. That's true, I would enjoy I'd
Speaker 2: enjoy a smoke with you, you know, like at a concert
Speaker 2: or something like that. But whereas now we're both like
Speaker 2: now I'm just trying to get you to do some
Speaker 2: strength as opposed to, uh, just just the cardio. But
Speaker 2: generally speaking, I feel like we have, in a strange way,
Speaker 2: kind of found each other again. Yeah, yeah, that sound
Speaker 2: too serendipitous.
Speaker 1: Friendships over long term are really interesting things, and they
Speaker 1: change and they morph and they it means something different
Speaker 1: to you at different times in your life. And I think,
Speaker 1: especially over this past year, I've had some more difficult
Speaker 1: things in my life personally, I think of which I've
Speaker 1: mentioned here on the podcast a couple different times. But
Speaker 1: I think you're getting to experience your support, love and
Speaker 1: care like during hardship has meant a lot. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Are we more alike, are we more different?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But friendships they ebb and flow. But
Speaker 1: this is like one of the most consistent things in
Speaker 1: my life and to have you as a friend.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you. I want
Speaker 2: to read this crime app as we hash out our
Speaker 2: feelings here on the podcast, Katie wrote, I believe it's
Speaker 2: Jael who enjoys collecting local folk art. How did you
Speaker 2: find the art and artists when starting to collect? How
Speaker 2: did you get into it in the first place. I'm
Speaker 2: a scientist slash engineer by trade and way outside the
Speaker 2: art world. I'm interested to support some local artists, but
Speaker 2: I don't know where to look or what is quote
Speaker 2: unquote good Joel, what are your folk art tips?
Speaker 1: So I'm Katie, I'm no artists at all, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know that I have a brain that works
Speaker 1: or art. I know what I like, and so you
Speaker 1: got good taste. Though. It was there were local artists.
Speaker 1: Typically they would paint murals and then I would start
Speaker 1: to kind of follow them on Instagram and then I
Speaker 1: would kind of get to know them and try to
Speaker 1: buy a piece or two that they that they were selling.
Speaker 1: And there was just a few people I started following,
Speaker 1: and then I would find other people that kind of
Speaker 1: overlapped with their style. But yeah, even have become gotten
Speaker 1: to become friends with a few of the artists that
Speaker 1: I really like, and there are awesome people and I
Speaker 1: just appreciate that too. The other thing, there's this once
Speaker 1: a year fulk art festival that I go to and
Speaker 1: find out about new artists that way. It's honestly, it's
Speaker 1: like my Christmas art festivals. Christmas Morning is awesome. The
Speaker 1: full kart festival for me is one ups Christmas Morning.
Speaker 1: Sorry if that sounds sacrilegious or something like that, but
Speaker 1: it's my favorite day of the year, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: find try to find a festival in your area. If
Speaker 1: you can, you'll find it. You'll be exposed to a
Speaker 1: bunch of new folks. You'll actually get to meet them,
Speaker 1: you get to look at the art in person, You'll
Speaker 1: get to walk on I budget so much money for
Speaker 1: that day, Matt. It's I walk away with my arms
Speaker 1: full in my pocket's emptied, and it's like, I'm big
Speaker 1: smile on my face. I'm hoping that we the past.
Speaker 2: Two years you've gone and we've already had things on
Speaker 2: the calendar and have not been able to make it.
Speaker 2: I need to put it on the calendars. That way,
Speaker 2: we don't book something for that Saturday in order to
Speaker 2: be able.
Speaker 1: I'm going to score some stuff too.
Speaker 2: It's an affordable way to decorate your house too as well.
Speaker 2: In addition to the festivals, I think even just going
Speaker 2: to a local gallery, if it's a good local gallery
Speaker 2: and they've got great local artists there, it's a good
Speaker 2: way to in real life meet somebody who knows these
Speaker 2: folks and you kind of get that relational element as well.
Speaker 2: Joelt Meghan wrote, if you could instantly become an expert
Speaker 2: in something obscure, what would it be and why? Bonus
Speaker 2: points for not choosing a money related expert.
Speaker 1: So oh, it would definitely not be money related. I
Speaker 1: love personal finance, but I would totally want to do
Speaker 1: something completely obscure or different. Well, okay, for yours? Would
Speaker 1: it be to be some sort of like exercise health
Speaker 1: expert like Andrew Huberman? That was my guess. No, I'm
Speaker 1: interested in it.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I just noticed that she wrote
Speaker 2: if you could instantly become an expert, And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: push back against that a little bit too, because the
Speaker 2: process of learning about something like that's where all the
Speaker 2: magic happens, right like that, Like that formational process is
Speaker 2: so important.
Speaker 1: No, I I unearn knowledge, you're not.
Speaker 2: Looking for that, so I enjoy I guess the physical
Speaker 2: exercise longevity space. I would want to do something like
Speaker 2: create like I think about the emes what's the plywood
Speaker 2: or I think it's called the plywodchair, But like I
Speaker 2: think about beautiful furniture, and I would love to be
Speaker 2: able to do something like that. I would love woodworking,
Speaker 2: but highly but very high end and like the marrying
Speaker 2: of form and function basically, like something beautiful that's esthetically
Speaker 2: incredibly pleasing, but that serves a very clear purpose as well,
Speaker 2: Like what is a better way to be able to
Speaker 2: enjoy something than like using it, right, like the tools
Speaker 2: that we use.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think about that. That that
Speaker 1: that seems really appealing to me. That's interesting about you.
Speaker 1: Mine would be. And I'm sure you would not have
Speaker 1: guessed this gardening because I'm not really green thumb joel
Speaker 1: over there, like my normal life. You're not gonna find me
Speaker 1: in the garden. You're not gonna find me planning stuff.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just come over to our house and pull
Speaker 2: some weeds around the plumb tree and the peach tree.
Speaker 1: That's my I mean, I think that's my Like, that's
Speaker 1: my personality. Bent is I'm not slowing down to plant
Speaker 1: a garden. Yeah, but I wish I would, and I
Speaker 1: wish I knew more about it. And I do think
Speaker 1: that I'm losing something in my lack of like my
Speaker 1: connection to human instincts, your literal connection to the earth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your hands down in the dirt. I think I'd be
Speaker 1: really good for me. And so if I could become
Speaker 1: like a gardening expert. And then because because part of
Speaker 1: it too is in that trial and error, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of pain and a lot of frustration. If I
Speaker 1: started planting stuff and the deer ated and it like
Speaker 1: that's where we are. Man, Yeah, I love like weeds
Speaker 1: overtaking everything. I mean, then I'd be frustrated and I
Speaker 1: want to quit. And so if I was instantly an
Speaker 1: expert at gardening and I could like do it flawlessly,
Speaker 1: that'd be kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny enough. That's actually something that Kate and I
Speaker 2: have been getting into. She is always I mean, she's
Speaker 2: an incredible gardener, but it's something that I have also
Speaker 2: learned to.
Speaker 1: Love and appreciate. Let's see. Joel Leslie wrote what are
Speaker 1: your predictions for your children futures?
Speaker 2: That's a not loaded question at all, for instance, careers,
Speaker 2: size of families.
Speaker 1: Are they also going to be best friends their whole lives?
Speaker 2: I'll say that I hope that our kids maintain this
Speaker 2: incredibly deep bond where they've known each other basically their
Speaker 2: entire lives. Or we've got pictures of them as like
Speaker 2: three day olds next to each other, which is I
Speaker 2: mean not three days.
Speaker 1: Well, actually no, yeah, literally, our boys are three days apart.
Speaker 1: That's right. I think are for that to be the case.
Speaker 1: Our oldest girls will retain it more than any of
Speaker 1: the rest of them, and I hope they all will. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think they have such a deep relationship at
Speaker 1: this point it's fun to watch, Like it's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite relationships to watch blossom and grow super cool.
Speaker 1: You start though your kids, well family sizeas what are
Speaker 1: they gonna do?
Speaker 2: That's for them to decide. I've got zero, Like I
Speaker 2: am trying to hold that.
Speaker 1: So if you're making a prediction, if you like older,
Speaker 1: their inclination, like the kind of person they are, what
Speaker 1: would they because I have like thoughts. I don't have
Speaker 1: things I want them to do. Like single tries to
Speaker 1: convince my oldest daughter to become president of the United States,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you probably don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: It's not a great gig.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've got their different strengths and weaknesses or not.
Speaker 2: I mean just the things that they're less interested in.
Speaker 2: But like, you've got one who's great at following the
Speaker 2: rules and being super orderly, one who just wants to
Speaker 2: sit there and read all day long. Another one who's
Speaker 2: incredibly physical and social, you know, like you like I
Speaker 2: truly try not to. I would love to have a
Speaker 2: big family. I never grew up around a whole lot
Speaker 2: of people, like when it came to the size of
Speaker 2: our families, and that was I never thought i'd have
Speaker 2: more than a couple kids. But then Kate and I
Speaker 2: got married and she just had one brother as well,
Speaker 2: and we both are like, you know what, I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a lot of kids. I like the
Speaker 2: idea of sort of like what you were saying earlier,
Speaker 2: being a grandparent. That's totally something I have hopes and ambitions,
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to say ambition, because it's like,
Speaker 2: how do you How are you ambitious about becoming a grandparent.
Speaker 2: It's certainly a hope and yeah, hopefully that's something I'll
Speaker 2: get to see someday.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have career predictions except for
Speaker 1: from my oldest sens. It's mostly because she's said this already.
Speaker 1: She's eleven, but she's like, I want to be like
Speaker 1: a doula. She loves oh babies, Yeah, she wants to
Speaker 1: she does. She's so good with her Grandma was a
Speaker 1: neonatal nurse, and so I think there's this sort of
Speaker 1: attachment there to like childbirth, and she's just obsessed with babies. So,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, do I think she'll have a lot of kids?
Speaker 1: I do. And I think my son will probably also
Speaker 1: have a lot of kids too. He just sensitive boy
Speaker 1: and he likes he likes, uh, he likes babies too.
Speaker 1: So my middle child, I don't know, Like she's the
Speaker 1: wild card. Like what she gonna end up doing, It's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be something epic. She might be like, probably
Speaker 1: something you were not at all expecially, probably be like
Speaker 1: a red bull athlete or something like that, like diving
Speaker 1: from space or something. It's gonna be neat, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fun to watch. It's it's highly unpredictable. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, like you a lot of grand kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're gonna keep moving, uh and you
Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna take a quick break. But then
Speaker 2: after that maybe we'll speed it up. We'll just kind
Speaker 2: of do like a rapid fire and we'll give some
Speaker 2: shorter answers. Well, it's all that right after this.
Speaker 1: All right, we're back, let's hit up some more listener questions,
Speaker 1: the ladys land this plane. Yeah, and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: briefly about sabbatical plants. All right, So Kat says, what
Speaker 1: beer types did you have to learn to appreciate? Oh?
Speaker 2: Almost all of them, really, I think. No, like the
Speaker 2: darker beers, the kind of darker maultiers, I would say,
Speaker 2: I pas for sure. I remember the first I PA
Speaker 2: I had. I remember my buddy Dan, he was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: I pas are an acquired taste. I remember that then,
Speaker 2: and I certainly get that. But yeah, I think fruited
Speaker 2: beers for me.
Speaker 1: I remember the first beer I had was like a
Speaker 1: blueberry beer, and I was like, this is terrible and
Speaker 1: this must be what only like sweawater blue? Was that
Speaker 1: your girls with their pinky out drink or something like that?
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, sweetwater Blue, I think it was it.
Speaker 1: And then it turns out fruited beers are my all
Speaker 1: time favorite style of beer. So fruited beers or fruited sound,
Speaker 1: fruited sours, okay. But I just assumed anything with fruit
Speaker 1: in it was not for me, okay, And then I
Speaker 1: had to realize, wait, there's some highly crafted beer just
Speaker 1: fruit that.
Speaker 2: There's a different I'm the first time I ever had
Speaker 2: what is it New Belgium's la Fully, which is a
Speaker 2: brown sour, I remember thinking, wow, only one other time
Speaker 2: in my life have I had a beer where I said, Ooh,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I like this, And then eventually
Speaker 2: it became an entire category of beer that I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: Similarly when it came to sours in that way where
Speaker 2: the first time I had it, I'm like, this isn't right.
Speaker 2: This does not taste like they that they brewed it properly.
Speaker 2: But then you get to know the nuances in the
Speaker 2: funk and all the other flavors going on there that yeah,
Speaker 2: it's certainly a style that I love.
Speaker 1: Now, all right, Adrian says, what Guinness World record do
Speaker 1: you think each of you could break? I've got no idea,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to say.
Speaker 2: It takes too much of an extreme dedication to one
Speaker 2: single thing, and I hate that extreme nature of the
Speaker 2: Guinness Book of I'm just looking to be like a
Speaker 2: very awesome, normal dude, seriously, Like that's my It's like
Speaker 2: one of my goals in life is to not pursue something.
Speaker 1: To the extreme. I felt the need to come up
Speaker 1: with an answer. Okay, So I said, most time spent
Speaker 1: talking without taking a breath, so I can just talk
Speaker 1: and talk and talk and talk and talk and just
Speaker 1: keep talking. And my mom used to tell me growing
Speaker 1: up that I could just talk to a wall, and
Speaker 1: I think that might still be accurate. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're not interesting. They don't really talk back.
Speaker 2: So all right, here's the one that leans towards your
Speaker 2: strengths from Aaron. If you played each other one on
Speaker 2: one in basketball, what would be each of your go
Speaker 2: to moves and what would you guess the final score
Speaker 2: would be? Joel, I'm going to completely hand the game
Speaker 2: over to you, not because of your height, but that helps.
Speaker 2: It's I don't it doesn't hurt. But there's some shorter
Speaker 2: great basketball players out there, not like short as I
Speaker 2: like under six foot.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll spud web back in the day,
Speaker 1: he was like a man. He could or springy legs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See that gives me hope because I'm like, I'll over
Speaker 1: do the cream of cream. I build your bar sky
Speaker 1: hook and that would be my go to move and
Speaker 1: I think I would win ten to seven because you're
Speaker 1: you're pretty scrappy. Ten to seven. You're quicker than me.
Speaker 2: What's the regulation one on one basketball game? Normally basketball
Speaker 2: games are like in the seventies or eighties or nineties.
Speaker 1: Are playing that long time? Oh? Okay, Now when you're
Speaker 1: playing one on one, it's like to ten or something
Speaker 1: like that. All right, Jeffrey says, I actually do want
Speaker 1: to know what Matt's hair routine is. I had just
Speaker 1: started growing my hair longer, and I gotta know, am
Speaker 1: I a genius? By the way to wear the same
Speaker 1: shirt and joggers all week if it stays clean. Both
Speaker 1: of these are questions for you. My fine, oh my gosh, okay,
Speaker 1: So the okay, the secret to letting your hair grow
Speaker 1: long is are the the soccer hair bands like that.
Speaker 1: It's like the skinny band that you put in your
Speaker 1: hair because you need to be able to pull up
Speaker 1: back when you're when when you're being a bit more
Speaker 1: active to where the hair is not getting like fallen
Speaker 1: in your eyes. And then in addition to that, in
Speaker 1: the winter, rock the beanie, like you put the hair
Speaker 1: back in there. That way you're able to keep it
Speaker 1: out of your face. That's how you grow it long
Speaker 1: before like you were able to grow up a pony taip, okay,
Speaker 1: but with shorter hair. What do you plue that yellow
Speaker 1: tube shorts cough or something like?
Speaker 2: Okay, extreme hold named after a former US military general, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know that's okay? No, I think it's like
Speaker 2: a German that was like that was a military American
Speaker 2: military general. I haven't doven. I haven't entered my World
Speaker 2: War two erage, okay, So okay, I got into the meats.
Speaker 1: This is this is all. So you question wearing the
Speaker 1: same stuff all week. If it stays clean, that's something
Speaker 1: you do. No. If it touches your skin, you got to.
Speaker 1: You gotta change it out every day. You wear the
Speaker 1: same shirt sometimes a few days in a row. Right, No,
Speaker 1: I just have the same not T shirt. All wear
Speaker 1: the same xterior shirt. Okay.
Speaker 2: If it touches your skin, socks, underwear, undershirts, those only
Speaker 2: last a day. But conversations I have with my kids
Speaker 2: on a semi regular basis because they haven't learned doing
Speaker 2: too much longer, they haven't earn the rules yet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if it's touching your skin, man, if it's touching the
Speaker 2: pits or the booty, you gotta man, they're that thing
Speaker 2: in the hamper, but over shirts, especially in the winter,
Speaker 2: you can you can rock that all week long.
Speaker 1: Man, I I literally do that all week long. All right,
Speaker 1: Cindy says, what is each of your favorite non financial podcasts? Oh?
Speaker 2: So you know Huberman's at one of the that's not
Speaker 2: the time figure, that's the physical fitness side of things.
Speaker 1: What about you? I like, I'm very interested in politics,
Speaker 1: although highly annoyed by politics as well, especially I mean,
Speaker 1: who's not right at the like the last decade? Right?
Speaker 1: But I would say Ezra Kline from the New York
Speaker 1: Times and Reason the reason around table, Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: getting like two different sides of the same same coin.
Speaker 1: I love hearing different takes, and I think both of
Speaker 1: them have a lot of like wisdom and intelligence. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised you didn't say the Fifth Column boys. I like
Speaker 1: those guys too. They're great. That's more I mean, that's politics,
Speaker 1: but it's also little culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough around the edges on the opposite side of
Speaker 2: the spectrum when it comes.
Speaker 1: What about honestly with Barry Weiss listen to that. I
Speaker 1: love I think they do so. She does such a
Speaker 1: great job. And just the free press.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, I'm such a huge fan that on the
Speaker 2: spiritual side of things. For the past several months, I've
Speaker 2: been listening to Mocking Cast.
Speaker 1: I don't know it. You never heard the Mocking Cast?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I do, only I don't know them well
Speaker 1: enough to be able to share their name, like R
Speaker 1: Jay Sa. So there's three. There are three believers and
Speaker 1: they just sit down and they talk about faith, how
Speaker 1: it's intersecting with like daily life, but they talk.
Speaker 2: About how hard it is to be a Christian. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'll dude, you would totally love it. I can't
Speaker 2: believe we haven't talked about it. Yeah, it's something I'm prosed.
Speaker 1: I'm mostly listening to audiobooks, by the way these days,
Speaker 1: so I listen to some podcasts and I like so.
Speaker 1: But if I'm listening to, which I haven't been doing lately,
Speaker 1: let's listen to an audio. But what do you listen?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, so you're reading Lord of the Right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so are you gonna go straight through? By the way,
Speaker 2: I'll probably break it up, probably break it up. But
Speaker 2: part of it's just because when is it going to
Speaker 2: become available next? And I haven't true playing it out perfectly.
Speaker 2: Listen to something else, but then you. I want you
Speaker 2: to kind of power through it though, Yeah, because just
Speaker 2: to be able to tie it all together. So good,
Speaker 2: it's good stuff. I'm looking forward to being able to
Speaker 2: read that with the kids, which I still feel that
Speaker 2: we're a little ways from all right, this is a
Speaker 2: quick one. Jana says, diagonal or straight cuts for your
Speaker 2: grilled cheese. I feel like there's only one answer when
Speaker 2: tomato soup is involved, diagonal all the way. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just like slam dunk question. Right, we're not communists,
Speaker 2: so yeah, right? Who cuts it straight down the middle?
Speaker 1: All right? Anonymous or reached out and said, if you
Speaker 1: if you asked chat chept to roast you, what would
Speaker 1: it say? And this is something you can go do
Speaker 1: for yourself. So I don't want to read all these
Speaker 1: but I did go into chatcheapt and said, hey, will
Speaker 1: you roast Matt and Joel from out of money? What
Speaker 1: was your You wrote a couple down? What are you
Speaker 1: some of your vails? I, speaking of hair, says Joel's
Speaker 1: hair looks like he's been saving on haircuts since two
Speaker 1: thousand nin and Matt the guy could probably build a
Speaker 1: DIY bunk bed with nothing but a promo code and
Speaker 1: a craft beer bottle. I mean, it's just like and
Speaker 1: he's a speaking of which I haven't heard two people
Speaker 1: mentioned craft beer so much outside of a Portland tattoo parlor.
Speaker 1: So chatchy pet knows us. And then also you could
Speaker 1: it says like at the bottom was like, do you
Speaker 1: want to make it spicier? And so I did and
Speaker 1: it just gets more off the rails. But it's it's funny.
Speaker 1: I just it's I never used chatchipt until I mean,
Speaker 1: I've used it like five times. So going in there
Speaker 1: this question prompted me to check out what's going on
Speaker 1: with AI, even though I mostly avoid itys.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how things play out. Man
Speaker 2: Eric wrote, what is your biggest non financial regret?
Speaker 1: Joel? Do you have regrets dude? Or you like me,
Speaker 1: no regrets? That's yeah. I think everyone has something that
Speaker 1: if they could go back because and largely because maybe
Speaker 1: it's led to hurting somebody that they love. Right, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what I wish I would have been more thoughtful about that.
Speaker 1: That's that's tip. That would be like a regret that
Speaker 1: I would say, But.
Speaker 2: Can't you take like the Judo move and like use
Speaker 2: the momentum of that bad decision to make you like,
Speaker 2: aren't you a better person because of what like your
Speaker 2: past and maybe mistakes or missteps because.
Speaker 1: I think about that, I think so. I think so.
Speaker 1: But there are probably ways I could have learned more
Speaker 1: quickly and not, let you know, been such an idiot
Speaker 1: for so long. But that's a really hard question to
Speaker 1: here's a faster learning yeah exactly, which I think I
Speaker 1: do learn faster now than I did over like the
Speaker 1: last fifteen years. But yeah, I don't know, so I
Speaker 1: guess I will. I will leave it at that. There
Speaker 1: are probably things I wish I would have There are
Speaker 1: certainly things I wish I would have learned more quickly,
Speaker 1: and in particular how they led to hurt feelings or
Speaker 1: they led to disrepair or dysregulation in relationships. And I've
Speaker 1: learned a lot in the past few years. And I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing I've learned, Matt, is to take
Speaker 1: more responsibility from my actions and to approach the people
Speaker 1: I love with more humility, and that allows me to
Speaker 1: learn a lot more quickly than I used to. Very nice.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that, dude. Do you should we
Speaker 1: round out with a couple more here or should we
Speaker 1: just jump to the end. Do let's do last one? Okay,
Speaker 1: Samantha says, do you consider yourself happy? Do you consider
Speaker 1: yourself lucky? I would say yes to both. What about
Speaker 1: you for sure both? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly lucky happen. Happiness feels like a very
Speaker 2: shallow kind of like do you have joy? I don't
Speaker 2: know that that kind of I agree that what's my
Speaker 2: appetite for some like the bigger kind of conversations that
Speaker 2: I like to get into happiness that's dependent on the weather.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of leftovers I'm bringing into.
Speaker 2: The office that I that I get to enjoy as
Speaker 2: opposed to like more of the deep seated, solid to
Speaker 2: the core kind of foundational aspects of joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I'm more interested. And it's interesting. I think
Speaker 1: contrary to the modern conception of happiness, deep joy is
Speaker 1: often found through self sacrifice and service. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: deep love and care for other people more than you
Speaker 1: care for yourself. And I think that's something that in
Speaker 1: many ways we've maybe like lost as a culture, not
Speaker 1: not wholly, but in many ways we have or it
Speaker 1: is more looking out for number one and if you
Speaker 1: if you want, yes, if you want to encounter more
Speaker 1: of that joy than I think it is going to
Speaker 1: involve a certain amount of letting down, putting aside which
Speaker 1: you care about the most, and in favor of watching
Speaker 1: other people and helping other people in your life succeed. Yea,
Speaker 1: And yeah, that I think that's where I found a
Speaker 1: lot of joy. Yeah, No, I totally recent years, I
Speaker 1: totally agree.
Speaker 2: And isn't that so much a part of parenting? And
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that scares me the most
Speaker 2: about the trend that we see our culture going in.
Speaker 2: When when when there are fewer folks who are at
Speaker 2: all interested in having kids or having fewer kids, because
Speaker 2: what are you oftentimes instead looking at you're looking at
Speaker 2: yourself and like the things that you think are going
Speaker 2: to make you happy and some of the different goals
Speaker 2: that you have as an individual as opposed to finding
Speaker 2: ways to help children, in particular to be able to
Speaker 2: do that, by the way, without having kids, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there percent I have kids, right,
Speaker 2: I'm not at all being like the single cat lady,
Speaker 2: Like that's not the line that I'm that I'm at
Speaker 2: all spouting, but it is I think an outcome of
Speaker 2: folks who maybe aren't self examining it. If you've done
Speaker 2: the work and you're just like, you know what, like
Speaker 2: kids aren't for me, that's totally valid, Like please hear
Speaker 2: me saying that, But I think it's for the folks
Speaker 2: who are just like.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2: That sounds hard, or then I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: able to do this, And this sounds sounds like fun.
Speaker 2: The ability to see somebody grow up and for them
Speaker 2: to realize they're for full potential and the self sacrifice
Speaker 2: that goes into that, and then ultimately the joy that
Speaker 2: comes out of seeing someone like your kids develop into
Speaker 2: who they're meant to be. That sounds incredible.
Speaker 1: Thinking of that Ryan Holliday quote where the obstacle is
Speaker 1: the way and it's like, man, the greatest growth that's
Speaker 1: happened in my life have been through the times of
Speaker 1: greatest self sacrifice and greatest suffering, and so happiness, like
Speaker 1: day to day happiness is not improved because of the
Speaker 1: suffering significance that I've experienced, but my overall depth of
Speaker 1: joy and gladness in being human and who God has
Speaker 1: made me to be has grown significantly. Because of that,
Speaker 1: I love it, man.
Speaker 2: And before we let folks know what to expect for
Speaker 2: the rest of the summer, we cracked up another beer,
Speaker 2: which was a Trushirrant, which is a triple oatmeal Russian
Speaker 2: Imperial stout.
Speaker 1: Two good beers on today's show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I meant, if you're gonna celebrate the thousandth episode,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a little bit of both. This is
Speaker 2: a tiny little can, eight point four or five ounces.
Speaker 2: It's like the size of a what is it? Is
Speaker 2: this the size of like the original Red Bull's like
Speaker 2: half a Red Bull. It's like so small, empty and tiny,
Speaker 2: but man punched a whole lot of flavor. It was
Speaker 2: punched above its weight class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that for sure. Okay, let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question then, So as listeners know from listening
Speaker 1: to the episode this past Friday, we're gonna take a
Speaker 1: little bit of time off. That's right. We're gonna come
Speaker 1: back with a vengeance in early August and can't wait
Speaker 1: to come back, but we're gonna enjoy the crap out
Speaker 1: of like a significant extended break here. Yes, what are
Speaker 1: you most excited about for this time? For you and
Speaker 1: for your family?
Speaker 2: I I think for me, one of the things from
Speaker 2: a logistics standpoint, I remember talking. I can't I think
Speaker 2: it was either it was either Jillian maybe those Katie North,
Speaker 2: but they just talked about being able to do things
Speaker 2: with that time that you otherwise would not be able
Speaker 2: to because you're taking a longer period of time off.
Speaker 2: And so for us, we've never taken the longer road trip.
Speaker 2: And so and I know folks have been listening to
Speaker 2: the Airbnb ads and talking about this East Coast road trip,
Speaker 2: like we are for real actually doing this thing.
Speaker 1: You didn't just make it up for me.
Speaker 2: And we've gotten more and more into the planning aspect
Speaker 2: of it, and it just gets me more and more
Speaker 2: excited about all the things that we're going to be
Speaker 2: able to experience together as a family, what we're going
Speaker 2: to be able to learn, like the exploration and taking
Speaker 2: kids to these new places. And I'm really excited about that.
Speaker 2: But so that's just kind of like a but that's
Speaker 2: more like vacation, right, Like that's the thing, Like we're
Speaker 2: calling this kind of a sabbatical. But according to the
Speaker 2: definition of everyone we've talked to, sabbaticals like oftentimes it's closed,
Speaker 2: it's like three to six plus months sometimes, Well I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean I think six weeks eight weeks
Speaker 2: is considered sabbatical for a lot of people. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's sometimes what most people. But the real question is,
Speaker 2: folks are wondering when are you recording this episode that
Speaker 2: you're currently speaking on.
Speaker 1: That's what folks don't exactly foreign advance, not to feign
Speaker 1: advance either. Yeah, what are you looking looking forward to most? Honestly? Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of going back. You're excited about your trip, and
Speaker 1: I'm excited about some travel, but I think the thing
Speaker 1: I'm most excited about is kind of the slowing down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, literally having this conversation with
Speaker 1: someone earlier this morning, just how mundane life can be
Speaker 1: and leaning into experiencing the joy in the mundane garbage time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's the It's the thing that when you are
Speaker 1: in a hurry, you wish you didn't have it, But
Speaker 1: when you wish away all the things, all the prickliness,
Speaker 1: like all the sharper edges of life, there's nothing left
Speaker 1: to grab onto.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so like we need some of that.
Speaker 2: I think we need more of that in our lives
Speaker 2: than we think we do and oftentimes more margin, more chill,
Speaker 2: more margin, more chill, more space.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm gonna lean into it and
Speaker 1: I love that just some time alone and which again
Speaker 1: does not come naturally to me, but I am trying
Speaker 1: to like cultivate that in my life to I think
Speaker 1: it's important enjoy and be comfortable with that. So uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have long chats with friends and had long
Speaker 1: chats with that. I have a lot of things on
Speaker 1: my to do list that don't look super sexy or spectacular.
Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. Yeah, It's all about. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm pumped about.
Speaker 2: So all right, Yeah, this has officially been the longest
Speaker 2: episode I'm sure that we have ever recorded, and I
Speaker 2: don't even know should we even finish out with a
Speaker 2: beer review. Let's just let folks and know we can
Speaker 2: say they were great. They were fantastic, so good you
Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to hear us talk on and on
Speaker 2: about it, but just to know that this was a
Speaker 2: part of our conversation today, that we were both sitting
Speaker 2: here as two dudes who are sitting here who love
Speaker 2: each other, who are also enjoying some delicious beverages.
Speaker 1: Like we have and truly we love you too. We
Speaker 1: have so much gratitude for you, even though for most
Speaker 1: of you we don't know you, although we've gotten to
Speaker 1: know some listeners, even got on runs with some listeners.
Speaker 1: But if we also if we took your question on
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Speaker 1: out of this break and then we can't wait to
Speaker 1: come back and.
Speaker 2: Some besties though up, so we'll have the content for you.
Speaker 2: Maybe we will record some intros on a couple.
Speaker 1: Especially, by the way, if you're in those newer ish
Speaker 1: listener it's not like we pull these things out of
Speaker 1: the dungeon. There's still like lots of good relevant money
Speaker 1: advice in those episodes. So if you're like whether you
Speaker 1: just missed the sound of our voices or if you're
Speaker 1: new and you're like, I haven't heard that before, pretty
Speaker 1: sure that's not the case the sound of our voices,
Speaker 1: But enjoy those while we're gone and we can't wait
Speaker 1: to come back in early August. We'll see then. Well
Speaker 1: all right, so buddy, until next time, best friends out,
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