WEBVTT -  Ask HTM Anything! #1000

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Out of Money. I'm Joel, I'm Matt, and

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<v Speaker 1>today we're celebrating episode one thousand with an ask Me

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<v Speaker 1>Anything episode. So should we have gotten some airhorns to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to be like in the background as we're

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating this, Hey, we should have gotten a live in

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<v Speaker 1>studio audience, invited them up to our clubhouse. Listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't see me raising my glass, but cheers buddy. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>one thousand episodes incredible, quite the milestone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that I could celebrate it with you. Specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>Who else would be celebrated with Seriously, there's.

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<v Speaker 2>No one else. Yeah, I never never thought that we'd

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<v Speaker 2>hit a thousand. Did we celebrate when we hit a hundred?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we did in some way, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we even contemplated when we hit five hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>But a thoud that's a serious landmark milestone episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But we should really be celebrating our listeners for putting

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<v Speaker 1>up with us for this long and it wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>been possible to keep listening. Yeah, because for some reason

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<v Speaker 1>they love us or like us enough guess enough, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love They're like they're listening right and like it

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<v Speaker 1>feels a bit strong. I like you, okay, but uh no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's and so many good uh but it was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to recently, Matt. There's this podcast called

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<v Speaker 1>econ Talk and it's like super nerdy, pointy headed economist

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that's been around for almost twenty years. And Russ

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<v Speaker 1>the host over there, just celebrated his thousands of episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was listening to his and he took

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<v Speaker 1>questions from chess ept uh and he was like, which

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<v Speaker 1>I thought was like interesting, especially for what he does

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<v Speaker 1>and the style of show that he creates. But for us,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like hearing from the people, the people's questions. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I wanted, because actually I did real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked up on chat GPT, like what questions would

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<v Speaker 1>you ask Matt Joel celebrating their thousands episode? Interesting, they

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<v Speaker 1>came up. They were super lame and basic. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>the questions our listeners sent in are way better than that,

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<v Speaker 1>so much more personality. Yes, so we got thank you

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<v Speaker 1>by the way for submitting those questions. We will get

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<v Speaker 1>to as many as humanly possible. Yes, over of course

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<v Speaker 1>this did you want to share so last weeks? So

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<v Speaker 1>it was the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Friday's episode with Jilly, and we talked about the sabbaticals. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do we want to should we share now or at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the episode? Kind of planned at the

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<v Speaker 2>end we'll talk about our sabbaticals the stick around. But

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<v Speaker 2>let's maybe listen to last Friday's episode if you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>already listened to the sabbatical episode. Also, let us know

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<v Speaker 2>what you thought of that format. We totally switched things

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<v Speaker 2>up and took a very unstructured kind of casual approach

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<v Speaker 2>to it and more organic. Yeah, and granted that particular

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<v Speaker 2>topic allowed us to do something like that, but uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious to see if listeners were drawn to that,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think there are different ways that we could

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<v Speaker 2>tweak the show in the future, which honest and we're

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<v Speaker 2>trying all sorts of new things now. Yeah, now is

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<v Speaker 2>as good a time as ever to consider what the

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<v Speaker 2>show looks like moving forward, because we've been doing the

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<v Speaker 2>same way for a long time, and we've made iterations

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<v Speaker 2>over these last seven plus years exactly, but we will

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<v Speaker 2>probably make more and more just to try to I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, be relevant then stick with the times, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we're not necessarily wetted to a singular format or

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<v Speaker 2>just how we've done things.

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<v Speaker 1>My biggest question for people is is the intro too long?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we need to cut the music back? Like? Should

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<v Speaker 1>we just get straight to it?

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I intentionally did not include the music on

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<v Speaker 2>a Jillian's episode, And I just liked how he just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of kicked things off because it reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>some of my favorite shows that are a little more

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<v Speaker 2>personal in nature, where it sounds like you're just joining

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation as opposed to feeling like something has been

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<v Speaker 2>dished up set on the plate perfectly for you, like

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<v Speaker 2>a may Er d at some super fancy Michelin star

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant where it's all perfect, as opposed to, hey, how

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<v Speaker 2>about you jump into the kitchen here and let's throw

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<v Speaker 2>some food on the plate.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we underproduce a little more basically is what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe, yeah, a little more rustic. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's different reasons for us to consider that, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an AMA and ask me anything. And specifically

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<v Speaker 2>we asked the listeners to reach out with questions that

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<v Speaker 2>they might have had for us that were specifically non

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<v Speaker 2>financial in nature. Some kind of slipped through the cracks

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<v Speaker 2>and found their way into some of the money questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Slip through the cracks. Well, we love We'll still get

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<v Speaker 1>to those. We love your money questions, and we want

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<v Speaker 1>to take those moving forward post sabbatical with regularity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>super fun and then we'll get back to that the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of the show. Have too money, but it's really

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<v Speaker 1>fun when you have other questions for us that don't

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<v Speaker 1>align with personal finance, and this is just like a

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<v Speaker 1>rare opportunity to dig into those questions that you have.

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<v Speaker 1>And I hopefully we'll have even more of these in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, but this is I'm looking forward to this totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have a ton of questions and so we're

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<v Speaker 2>actually not going to play the any voice memos. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to read the questions. That way we can get

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<v Speaker 2>to as many different topics as possible. Joel, you nik

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<v Speaker 2>kick it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do it all right. This one came from Allison.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, why don't you and Matt go on a

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<v Speaker 1>nationwide tour and hang party, barbecue, drink craft beer all

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<v Speaker 1>around the country. You could even incorporate some fundraising along

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<v Speaker 1>the way, maybe for some nonprofits that help underserve kids

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<v Speaker 1>learn about money. If you come to Sacramento, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>I will help organize, which is enticing, because organization not

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<v Speaker 1>my strong suit. Man. How's this sound to you? Would

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<v Speaker 1>you would you be be down for this? Well? I

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<v Speaker 1>think so. I really like the idea. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of nonprofits raising money. I like the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a nationwide tour. The tough thing. It's gonna be hard

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<v Speaker 1>to like leave the fan for that long.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the first thing that went through my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>like or maybe we wanted to get a giant RV

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<v Speaker 2>all together had.

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<v Speaker 1>Of money across America. If truly, if it wasn't for

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<v Speaker 1>the kids and for Kate.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't think they would necessarily want to like

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<v Speaker 2>be dragged along, like towed along the entire country. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>while we went and did these fun things, like I

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<v Speaker 2>would like I when I travel with them, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do things with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think that it's a cop out.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do think that if I were in a

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<v Speaker 2>completely different stage of life, if I if we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have kids, and I think our wives would even be

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<v Speaker 2>more on board with like going along and just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of doing whatever. Almost the four of us along the way,

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<v Speaker 2>But so much of my time now I am so

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<v Speaker 2>focusing on being able to do stuff at home. Like

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<v Speaker 2>garbage time is a phrase that I keep coming back

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<v Speaker 2>to that I am really enjoying because we just forced

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<v Speaker 2>reference right when there's like there's like two minutes left

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<v Speaker 2>on the clock and you can't like it's it's the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I realize that that's where it came from. I sh

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<v Speaker 2>knew that the Seinfield uh mentioned that's my garbage time.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well that's usually like the is that what he

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<v Speaker 1>was referenced of the game that feel unimportant, But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of importance in.

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<v Speaker 2>The yeah yeah, and so a lot of times, like

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<v Speaker 2>the way he describes it is that we put so

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<v Speaker 2>much hope on these massive trips, yeah, or the big

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<v Speaker 2>events or what the big turning sixteen and you get

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<v Speaker 2>your car whatever, all these other things as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>the in between moments kind of sprinkled throughout life, which

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<v Speaker 2>is where the real sort of living happens, and how

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<v Speaker 2>in particular I think our kids form their memories like

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<v Speaker 2>it is the it makes me think of like a

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<v Speaker 2>science fair project, like the poster board.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the backboard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you like that has to be there in

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<v Speaker 2>order to pin the bigger things in life too. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like the substrate of our life. Yeah, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of times we're trying to get rid of the garbage time,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, oh, I wish life was just more efficient.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think so much of the not to get

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<v Speaker 2>overly philosophical right out of the gate, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like so much of that is what makes life amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I less remember my dad teaching me how to drive,

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<v Speaker 1>and more him throwing me in the pool, And like

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<v Speaker 1>throwing me in the pool is like, uh, is a

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<v Speaker 1>garbage time sort of thing. So I get what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I think though, what resonates with me about this question

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<v Speaker 1>and the thing the hardest part of podcasting is that

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<v Speaker 1>I get We get to meet so few listeners, and

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<v Speaker 1>every once in a while we do. Matt, we went

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<v Speaker 1>to a soccer game recently and we ran into a listener.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking to him, and somebody another listener was walking by.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I was like, Oh, I forgot about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wish I had more run ins with listeners

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<v Speaker 1>and so because it is a joy, like they're always

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<v Speaker 1>cool and they're always like kind and conscientious, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I do wish I had I got to meet.

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<v Speaker 2>More of you, all right, Juliana wrote, if you two

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<v Speaker 2>were to open a brewery, what would it be known for?

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<v Speaker 2>So specialty beer type, location, environment, entertainment, whatever feature Joel,

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<v Speaker 2>if this isn't something we've ever that we've talked about,

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<v Speaker 2>so what would you were you to open a brewery?

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<v Speaker 1>I think what aspects would you want to focus on?

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<v Speaker 1>I think friendliness and hayes Is are the two things

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<v Speaker 1>I really thought about, and hazy IPA's specifically, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a friendly yeah spot. I mean, if you've been to

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<v Speaker 1>many craft breweries, a lot of them, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cool people, but sometimes they're too cool for school.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love the idea of just being super friendly

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<v Speaker 1>with everybody who walks in and having a community, like

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<v Speaker 1>a cheers, like joint people to enjoy a deliciously crafted beer,

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<v Speaker 1>but also like to know people. That's what's so great

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<v Speaker 1>about breweries.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that too cool for school aspect kind of goes

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<v Speaker 2>out the window after you have like one beer and

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<v Speaker 2>then you're like, all right, we used to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes ago, I was feeling a kind of snobby.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well let me give you a hug.

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<v Speaker 2>I would So you've not been to font of Flora

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<v Speaker 2>up in North Carolina. From a vibe standpoint, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be the kind of brewery that I would love to open.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the intersection of food and drink and like nature

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<v Speaker 2>and like like farm fresh ingredients that they're using a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of local ingredients to make to make their beers.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think of during our road trip next month,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping to make it up to Hill Farmstead, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of brewers across the country have

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<v Speaker 2>kind of based their operation on that, which is like

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<v Speaker 2>it's on a farm, it's out in the country, like

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<v Speaker 2>Hill Farmstead.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like an old cedar shake house essentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just looks so approachable, so cool. The intersection

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<v Speaker 1>of nature and local farm like ingredients and incorporating that

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<v Speaker 1>and like that. That is the kind of like where

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to see in Texas to another one.

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<v Speaker 2>Why have you been to just make it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got an incredible farm sort of set up as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I have yet to make it there, but that's the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of vibe i'd want to go for that, Like

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<v Speaker 2>plus some scenery. I don't know, maybe some hiking trails

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<v Speaker 2>as well, if you're like, you know what, let me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna walk this beer off and like the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to hit some trails, Like how cool does that sound?

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be killing I like that that plus Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>style barrel age stuff like for me, I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even think I care either barrel aged showers or

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<v Speaker 1>barrel aged stouts, but I would want to be in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of the barrel program. Just that white oak. What

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<v Speaker 1>about barreg pills? Nurse they do they do that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What's the what's the British innocent gun?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Those those are European bloggers or pills that are slightly

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<v Speaker 2>aged and oak.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at least all right. This is next question comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Rebecca. She says, what's your favorite board game? So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a Catan okay, all the way that's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the OG, that's the classic first. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>has to have sold more copy the OG of the

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<v Speaker 1>strategy board games than any other one.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact we've been playing it more because we've

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<v Speaker 2>got Catan Junior, which is what we've been playing with

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<v Speaker 2>the kids, and it's one of the few that we

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<v Speaker 2>can all sit down and play together.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, goes Captain. I know the reason they like it,

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<v Speaker 1>just to be able to stop them. Well, you like

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<v Speaker 1>the trash talk, and you like the negotiation, and you

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<v Speaker 1>like to be a little underhanded at times. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>you get to use those skills. You don't normally get

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<v Speaker 1>to use the underhanded nature in everyday life, but in

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<v Speaker 1>Catain you do. It's a free market. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to trade with me, trade with me. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>put the trade out there. Yeah. Actually, so I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to encourage the kids to participate in person

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<v Speaker 2>to person trading within Catan Junior. Because they're like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a part of the rules. I'm like, I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 2>sure you can do that if everyone agrees to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I've yet to win that argument. But board games,

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<v Speaker 1>which man, there have been different ones over the years

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how much time I had in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>And king Domino is one that's like short, replayable but

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get boring. So I love that one. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if it takes twenty minutes, I'm more likely to play it.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to love four or five hour long board

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<v Speaker 1>games just ain't happen in these days. But when we

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<v Speaker 1>do go on vacation together, the one that we play,

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<v Speaker 1>you Me, Kate and Emily. We typically play a choir

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a really fun one, especially with our so

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<v Speaker 1>fun love of real estate. I like that one, and

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of also the purging of corporations and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know who's gonna win until the very end.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's a good game. Maybe you have

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<v Speaker 1>an idea, but not really. So I like that too,

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just kind of shrouded in mystery for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, we didn't even introduce our beer at

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<v Speaker 2>the very the course, we're totally just like throwing things

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<v Speaker 2>upside down. But this one just so folks know that

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<v Speaker 2>we are in fact enjoying a hazy ipa. This is

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<v Speaker 2>called Dark Hedges, which is a beer by a hot butcher.

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<v Speaker 1>For the world. We might even get to a second

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<v Speaker 1>one here towards the end of the episode. Two beers today.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So Susan wants to know what's your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>distance to run? Would either of you ever run? Want

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<v Speaker 1>to run an ultra marathon? Favorite distance is easy to

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<v Speaker 1>k I love the tin k. Yeah, it's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's the perfect distance because it's not so short.

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<v Speaker 1>Like five k you're almost.

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<v Speaker 2>Like sprinting the whole time, whereas a ten k you

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<v Speaker 2>get into that rhythm. I like finding that rhythm.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easier to keep going to ten k pace because

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<v Speaker 1>five k pace is just a little bit you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of constantly pushing yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like as if their masters were what's the

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<v Speaker 2>line from legalists from the Two Towers.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't remember, but I'm really run as if

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<v Speaker 1>their masters are at their backs. I'm reading the first

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<v Speaker 1>book in that trilogy right now. Are you enjoying the

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<v Speaker 1>heck out of it? Yeah, I'm almost done with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll move on to two once it's available on Libby.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember you mentioned that, though, Yeah, we'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>catch up. I would say my favor right now is

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<v Speaker 1>the half marathon because I'm just thirteen points one. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>built more for long distances. I'm not super speedy, so

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<v Speaker 1>the five k I'm like, I'm like huff and win

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm just not fast. But I'm like I can

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<v Speaker 1>outlast people now, Yeah, I can just go long, just

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<v Speaker 1>keep going. Yeah, and uh, ultra marathon. Oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I see that in my future. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I told I mean I would like to, But how

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<v Speaker 1>much do I have? What it takes actually run fifty

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<v Speaker 1>k or one hundred k, I don't know. Man. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time required to train for that level

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<v Speaker 1>of run too, So I mean you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>like ten hours a week set aside. Yeah, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>for running, he's a trained for an.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultra Not to mention all the time that the additional

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<v Speaker 2>time that you're spending icing yourself down, hitting it with

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<v Speaker 2>the massage, gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Stretching, all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see myself being an old man ultra marathon

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<v Speaker 2>r ye, Like, once the kids are out of the

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<v Speaker 2>house and I've got a lot more time on my hands,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be one of those old grizzly just

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<v Speaker 2>dudes that look like he's about to die till you die.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, all right. Travis says, what's the best half

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<v Speaker 1>marathon in Georgia for runners training in New York weather?

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<v Speaker 1>My fiance and I want to eventually do one in

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<v Speaker 1>all fifty states, which is that's fun. That's a really

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<v Speaker 1>cool goal. So that's he's picking up on my favorite distance.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the best one in Georgia, but I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you my favorite one that I've run so far,

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<v Speaker 1>literally wearing the T shirt from it right now and back.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a half in a Foal and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>trail half marathon up in the mountains, up in the mountains,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's beautiful. It's in April, so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great time of year where it's kind of cool but

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<v Speaker 1>it's not cold and it's not hot. I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>probably want to run one in like late July or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, so that that would be my tip run.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll run it with you if you come.

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<v Speaker 2>The Thanksgiving Day half. That's the cooler temperatures as well

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<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta, which is wait, so it used to be

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<v Speaker 2>the public's half, I'm pretty sure. Now it's in Vesco.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the QQQ half Marathon, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think the public's one in that's in the spring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So it used to be the public's okay

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<v Speaker 2>half at Thanksgiving, but then a new buyer came in,

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<v Speaker 2>so that kind of feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>An appropriate how to money half marathon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the QQQ half Marathon acquisition, which I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know what QQQ is. It's not a that's it's not

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<v Speaker 2>an S and P fIF hundred No, no, no, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>technology focus is the it's or nasdak.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think it literally reflects the nastac Yeah okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Kat said, what did you want to be when you

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<v Speaker 1>grew up? Joel? So did I have the tense correct that?

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<v Speaker 1>What did you want to be? Yeaheah, okay, Now what

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to be when you grow up? Currently?

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<v Speaker 1>As if you are still immature? Sometimes I say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes I feel that way, where like what do

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be? What do I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>when I grow up? I still got plenty of life

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of me. My favorite childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>Job that I aspired to is to become a baseball broadcaster,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was I was a big baseball fan, but

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<v Speaker 1>also just like talking, as you might have deduced at

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<v Speaker 1>this point if you've been listening for any length of time,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, oh man, I get to

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<v Speaker 1>do both those things. One of my favorite sport and

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<v Speaker 1>then this passion for delivering information to people. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so glad actually that I did not end up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was really tired of baseball. I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't really follow sports much anymore, and so I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like bored out of my mind if I

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<v Speaker 1>was forced to. But now you follow money.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you have followed sports if you were a baseball

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<v Speaker 2>ball cred? I mean the ability to broadcast from I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I just think about all the different stadiums do.

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<v Speaker 1>The different broadcaster? Did they travel at all? Or are

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<v Speaker 1>you basically stationed like at a stadium? They traveled? They

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<v Speaker 1>travel travel with the team. Yeah, see how which sounds cool?

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<v Speaker 1>How cool would be to go and you know it

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<v Speaker 1>would be announce a game? It would be I like

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<v Speaker 1>what we do more? Yeah? Well, mine, I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I went through different phases, right because as a

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<v Speaker 2>little kid, after watching Free Willy, who doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a marine biologist?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so I definitely went through that phase well.

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<v Speaker 2>Going into college, I was pre med and so, like

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of science majors, wanted to be a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember multiple times as a kid knowing that

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to own my own business. My mom had

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of friends who owned different stores and businesses

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, and I remember always talking to

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<v Speaker 2>them and them saying, oh, yeah, do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>own your own business someday, And at that point time,

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<v Speaker 2>it was always like a brick and mortar, like some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of business that provides a service or sells something.

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<v Speaker 2>Never thought that I would have a business like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you had a brick and mortar, would

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<v Speaker 1>it be a coffee shop? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Like kind of like a third place sort of hangings,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. So I'm trying to think what else? What

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<v Speaker 2>else would I I can't think of something else I

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<v Speaker 2>would want to sell, and that's something like on a

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<v Speaker 2>daily basis. Yeah, yeah, coffee shop sounds pretty awesome. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>pull the best espresso shots over here, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Doubt Matt's Coffee. Gotta work on the name, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Jenny says, if you were inclined to create a bucket list,

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<v Speaker 1>what are five items you would make sure was on

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<v Speaker 1>the list?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you do this one, because I basically refuse to

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<v Speaker 2>answer this. Really, I'm not like a bucket list guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a few things I want to do in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. So a hot air balloon ride. I really

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<v Speaker 2>want to ride in hot air balloon before I die.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to visit Japan. I want to hike the

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<v Speaker 2>Communo Santia. I go preferably with my dad, a full

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<v Speaker 2>trail marathon sod.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't let you though, if your dad can't make it, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because I would love to do that. You can come

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<v Speaker 1>with us, but three of us. It'll be fun. And

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<v Speaker 1>I want to become a grandparent. So those are things

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<v Speaker 1>that I really want to enjoy before I die. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to like get overly philosophic. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to affirm your choices. Those all sound awesome, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just hate the idea of.

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<v Speaker 2>Checklists and like it just seems like it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>like you want to experience those things. I hate the

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<v Speaker 2>bucket list methodology though, because it feels like if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't do those things that you haven't lived, you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>achieved what it was, what it is that you want

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<v Speaker 2>to achieve. It almost makes it feel like it to

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<v Speaker 2>do list, which is like there are things I do

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily because I enjoy doing those things. Like typically

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<v Speaker 2>when you make a list, it's because I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to update the insurance information. There's not like

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like the process of doing that is something

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<v Speaker 2>that I enjoy as opposed to the things I enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>they should come more naturally to me as a opposed

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<v Speaker 2>to you to be more a game writing it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess so the only thing on your bucket list

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<v Speaker 1>is to hate on bucket lists. Yeah? Yeah, how about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. I'll read the next one to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Ariana wrote, if you had no responsibilities, jol and if

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<v Speaker 2>you could do exactly what it is that you wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>what would be your perfect way to spend your day?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you? Okay? So this is a slightly separate question.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any talents if you go back in time,

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<v Speaker 2>which you pursue those talents knowing what you know now?

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<v Speaker 2>So two part question the perfect day and are hidden

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<v Speaker 2>talents a part of that perfect day?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? So I would say perfect day going for a run,

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<v Speaker 1>coffee with a friend, little disc golf. I never played

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<v Speaker 1>disc golf anymore, but that would be involved in a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect day, some smoked meats. See how it challenge you

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't think the disc off is as important

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<v Speaker 1>to you anymore. It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>But got this place in your mind that you think

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<v Speaker 2>that that signal five is a perfect day. But I

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<v Speaker 2>am here to say maybe the run has replaced that,

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<v Speaker 2>because if it was something that you enjoy doing again,

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<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be on your list. It would just be

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<v Speaker 2>something that you went and did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of like the bucket list thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I had all day to myself, i'd throw

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<v Speaker 1>that in because the disco, I'm not going to run

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<v Speaker 1>for five hours. So if I run as you're running ultras,

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<v Speaker 1>if I run for one hour, then I can still

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<v Speaker 1>get a round of the disc golf into and then

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<v Speaker 1>maybe hanging out at the pool with my fam especially

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<v Speaker 1>this time of year, Like what's better than that? So see,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's so great is that we've been able to

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<v Speaker 1>incorporate some of the early retired or like Coast Fire

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle into some of the days and weeks that we've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to enjoy recently. And it causes me to

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<v Speaker 1>want to challenge myself to think that there are ways

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<v Speaker 1>I can do these quote unquote perfect day things on

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<v Speaker 1>a more ongoing basis. This makes me think back.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember like Matt's Perfect Week that I did like

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<v Speaker 2>several years ago, where I like, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean Laura Vandercam special Right yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that well, I mean I think I came up

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<v Speaker 2>with it on my own, Okay, and then she reached

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<v Speaker 2>out because she wanted to hear me talk about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then she included it in her book. But I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to prove to myself that in a seven day

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<v Speaker 2>period of time that I could do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the different things I wanted to do in life, because

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<v Speaker 2>at that point in life, I didn't feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>had the time to it'say, oh, do I have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to go and go for.

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<v Speaker 1>A run, meet up with friends and.

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<v Speaker 2>Grab beers, have coffee with this other friend, do all

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<v Speaker 2>these other responsibilities that I had, but also the fun things.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, okay, not to make this overtly lessonee

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<v Speaker 2>in like what's.

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<v Speaker 1>The big takeaway here?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's a lot of folks who are

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<v Speaker 2>listening like us Joel, who have done the really hard things.

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<v Speaker 2>They have sacrificed, they have saved and invested for like

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<v Speaker 2>decades now, and I think a lot of those folks

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<v Speaker 2>might be closer to living the quote unquote perfect day

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<v Speaker 2>on a more regular basis, as opposed to feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>for us, oh that we have to even wait up,

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<v Speaker 2>hold off and wait until summer to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>have some of these perfect days. Yea, And for somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else it may not be as extreme as that, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like I want to be able to wake up,

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<v Speaker 2>spend some time in the words, do some contemplative prayer,

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<v Speaker 2>have breakfast with my family, or work out with Kate.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my thing that I've actually been enjoying a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot lately, have breakfast with a family, engaged in some

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual mind expanding sort of practice. Like that's pretty extreme,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think there's a lot of people who are thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Dudes.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, even just working out every day would be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there are ways that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>folks can start making some of those aspects of life.

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<v Speaker 1>More of a reality, start to buy back some of

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<v Speaker 1>their time now and not just wait until mid to

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<v Speaker 1>late sixties. Yeah, I totally agree. Okay, And if you

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<v Speaker 1>go back in time, would you pursue a talent that

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<v Speaker 1>haven't pursued? So, no, I don't think I have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any hidden talents.

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<v Speaker 2>The same I well, oh my gosh, okay, so I

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<v Speaker 2>have n't played piano more and well my oldest daughter

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<v Speaker 2>she plays, and where we're talking about getting a piano

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<v Speaker 2>in the new space because we've got the space now

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<v Speaker 2>for a little upright or maybe a studio piano. Turns

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<v Speaker 2>out they're everywhere you can get a free piano, so

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<v Speaker 2>you got to pay to get it moved and get

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<v Speaker 2>it tuned or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's still going to cost you. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a couple hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's something that I've enjoyed doing, so I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, oh man, and it opens up a different

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<v Speaker 2>part of your brain, especially like music and just the

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<v Speaker 2>way that the brain works as it's putting together notes

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<v Speaker 2>and melody and uh, it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, something I've enjoyed the song. I love it. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got more of your What about you? Oh, hidden

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<v Speaker 1>talent talents? Yes, ask me. No. I think the only

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<v Speaker 1>other interest I have job wise, if I wasn't doing

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<v Speaker 1>this is like, I'm very highly relational, Like Walmart greeter

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sounding my ideal job, but in some ways it does. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So something customer service focused. I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 1>would be, but I've always said, like, if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>in this, something that's highly relational, customer service focused is

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<v Speaker 1>what I would want to do. So, yeah, what would

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<v Speaker 1>that be? I don't know. Is that a hidden talent?

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<v Speaker 1>Even that I like people. I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the way you approach it. It could, yeah, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>be that. Yeah, all right, let's get to more questions,

0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.959
<v Speaker 1>your questions. Lots of good ones coming up right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, man, we were back, Jim wrote, we all

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<v Speaker 2>know the basic way you two met college, which is

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<v Speaker 2>funny actually because we didn't meet in college. But how slash,

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<v Speaker 2>When did you meet and say to yourself, this guy

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty neat. I think I'll hang out with them

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of my life, start a business with him.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your thought when you first met each other, Joel,

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<v Speaker 2>What went through your mind when you first saw me

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<v Speaker 2>across the room? Dudes, you got interesting hair, and you thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to approach this. Dudes got interesting hair was

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. You had the coolest hair. I have crazy

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<v Speaker 1>hair back then? You still, yeah, you did. You had

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<v Speaker 1>you love the hair gel, and it was you were

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<v Speaker 1>it was smoking. It's not it was used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more uh rufio from hook. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It was without without all the red or whatever color here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what stuck out very quickly upon meeting you too, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys had just like occasionally when you you were

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<v Speaker 2>a photographer, you would shoot stuff and then you would

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<v Speaker 2>occasionally that's that's like what well I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 2>Occaionally you would barter for stuff for your job, so

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<v Speaker 2>you could barter. You borted for a beach house. One

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<v Speaker 2>time you bartered for free food at a restaurant, like

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<v Speaker 2>gift cards to a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you guys invited us to partake it. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really know you very well, and you're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got the gift card, come eat with us, and

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<v Speaker 1>you paid for our fancy meal. And I was like, man, generous,

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<v Speaker 1>cool people. We don't know you very well, and you

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<v Speaker 1>still invited us to do that. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of first time I want to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out with.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right, man, I appreciate that. And I totally

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some neighbors, some friends of ours. They owned

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<v Speaker 2>a restaurant and they were looking for some new images

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<v Speaker 2>for their for the website, and they hooked us up

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<v Speaker 2>with a pretty fat gift card. And we're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>we could go here a couple of times, maybe even yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times at least, or we can buy

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<v Speaker 2>julll and Emily and throw down some amazing rabbis. I

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<v Speaker 2>specifically remember that you and I both got we both

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<v Speaker 2>got revised. So just so folks know, we actually met

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<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood. We didn't meet in college. We did

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<v Speaker 2>not know each other in college, although I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we would have been buds based on stories I hear

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<v Speaker 2>from your college.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, but we met.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny enough we met playing board games, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't technically remember meeting you. Prior to that game party,

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>A mutual friend invited us over to their house and

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<v Speaker 2>we played I'm guessing something like Puerto Rico or Settlers

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<v Speaker 2>of Catan, something like that. But that's that was my

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<v Speaker 2>first memory, and I just remember thinking, you're more extra

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<v Speaker 2>extroverted than I am. You're more social, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's helpful for me to be around folks who pulled

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<v Speaker 2>me out a little bit more, because I know my

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>natural tendency is to stay at home and I enjoy

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>going out. But you like to go up more than

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I do, which means it pulls me in

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>a healthy direction. So in that way, I think we compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that each other the starting a business thing

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<v Speaker 1>together like we obviously I came later down much later,

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>but then it became this like passion and practical pursuit

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>for us was like, oh, how can we do this

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>thing where we get to work together and enjoy something

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 1>that we create and it allows you to not to

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<v Speaker 1>work on the weekends, which you had to do as

0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a wedding photographer, and so it was. It was practical,

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>but it was also passion oriented. You and I really

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<v Speaker 1>cared deeply about the topic of personal finance, and we

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't have predicted that it would have been become what

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<v Speaker 1>it is and we would have been doing it as

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<v Speaker 1>long as we have, and but we're thankful for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And to get to work together, by the way, is

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<v Speaker 1>a joy. Like not every day is awesome, but the

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<v Speaker 1>whole arc of these past seven years like to get

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<v Speaker 1>to work with your best friends seven coming up on eight, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>I know people. I think a lot of people would

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<v Speaker 1>recommend do not start a business with your best friend

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<v Speaker 1>because it'll change your friendship. And I think there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a question about this later something, but I'll just

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.760
<v Speaker 1>get it out of the bag right now. Working with

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<v Speaker 1>your best friend can work as long as you prioritize

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>the friendship above the business, and we have consistently tried

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Not that we don't care deeply about

0:26:41.680 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 1>this business, but we care more about each other than

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>what happens with totally and that matters a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree, not to completely get non sentimental, but

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do Nichole's question here because she specifically

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<v Speaker 2>was asking me about bucket list vacations, which is something

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<v Speaker 2>I feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you hate bucket lists. Well, when you say bucketst

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>then I can say it like, oh, where's somebody somewhere

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>when on vacation that you would love to go? And

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<v Speaker 1>that feels different to me than like a life bucket

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<v Speaker 1>list of like before I die, I must do these things.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so in Italy, Northern Italy, the Dolomites, beautiful

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>amazing mountains and they have these lodges or these huts

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 2>that you can get up into the like alpine zone

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 2>just just it's beautiful. But then you hike, like you'll

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>hike for like five hours, like along this trail. It's

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>like a route or a circuit, and then you get

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>to the next lodge or the next hut and then

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 2>you spend the night there and there's a series of

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>these that you can do. And when I think about specifically,

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean what I love to do the most, especially

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<v Speaker 2>with Kate, like that is what we love to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that again it's it's sort of the marring

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<v Speaker 2>of food and drink mixed with amazing scenery, but with

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.919
<v Speaker 2>a splash of additional culture thrown in, which sounds like

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of thing that I that I certainly

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>want to.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Sounds participate in. What about you? I think Japan like

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.680
<v Speaker 1>going back to the baseball thing. I love how much

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.439
<v Speaker 1>they love baseball. I would love to see some baseball

0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>games in Japan. That sounds like a fun experience. We

0:28:04.280 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>love the coffee culture, the food culture, like I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I just would love to exper I've been to China,

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<v Speaker 1>it was awesome. I would love to experience Japan one

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<v Speaker 1>of these days. Maybe we'll do it. Man, all right,

0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Laura says, what's the best non money advice you ever got? Slash,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the craziest, weirdest part time job you've ever had?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, here's another two parter. Uh, do you remember getting

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<v Speaker 2>advice as a kid?

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<v Speaker 1>Not? Or maybe I'm assuming that you're asking advice as

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<v Speaker 1>a kid. Yeah, I was thinking young adult, and I

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>was specifically my mind went to marriage counseling before Emily

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and I got married, and I remember the person who

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 1>was doing our marriage counseling said, don't ever use the

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>D word divorced. Okay, Yeah, And actually that's been incredibly

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>helpful because once you use that word, once you open

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:51.400
<v Speaker 1>those those fund dates, like it creates a lot of

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 1>instability in your relationship. And so never using that and

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>realizing that that was never an option for us, it

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean that we haven't had hard times in our

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:02.080
<v Speaker 1>marriage and our life, and that there are times where

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I don't even know if I like this

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>person right now. I know that's how she feels about

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>me sometimes less mean about her. But that's saying that

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's off limits. That was really wise sage advice for me.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's great advice. Yeah.

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I immediately thought back to like when I was a kid,

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm just like, I think I was too much

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 2>of an idiot to actually hear the great wisdom that

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>was being served up to me, you know, like I'm

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>sure my grandpa, I'm sure my dad, my mom that

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>they said quite wise things for me to maybe pick

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 2>up on, but I just was not.

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I did not have the years to hear it.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so one thing, so I was like, Okay,

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>what is something that actually stands up the parenting advice

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>or it's like a not a parable but like a

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 2>phrase prepare the child for the road, don't prepare the

0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>road for the child. It's something I always keep coming

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 2>back to when it comes to anything, like you take

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 2>that and just apply it to all aspects of parenting,

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and I think you're going to be all right.

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What about from a job standpoint though? So the

0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 1>second part of a question, Okay, craziest job, weirdest was

0:29:57.600 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>dressing up as a cell phone after school in high school.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>We got paid fifteen bucks an hour under the table.

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>That was pretty good. Nice. But I think my favorite

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 1>part time job was working the photo booth at Eckert's

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>back in the day. I don't even think they have

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>humans running those things anymore. That's all. It's all computers,

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>computers and machines. But that I love that because you

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I get to live vicariously through other people's vacations and

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>then they come to pick up their photos and I'd

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, how was your trip. It looked awesome

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>and it was fun. Yeah.

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>My like, none of my jobs seem wacky or crazy

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 2>to me. It's it's just my life, I guess. So

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>mine goes to the first job where I received money

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>from somebody else that wasn't my parents, and that was

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>selling golf balls.

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>And so I would spend the summers as a kid.

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 2>So and so, yeah, we would find like find them

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, scour the woods, the creeks, and they're

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 2>just nasty, and we'd take them to well, this is

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the best part. We'd take them to the tea box

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>of the different holes and put them in the ball cleaner.

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, So we wouldn't even take it home and

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>like use our own soap or it does. Like we

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 2>could clean it right here, set up on the side

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>of the car path and sell back to these golfers

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the balls that they hit into the woods, basically and

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>something that they're too lazy to go find and clean

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 2>up themselves, well because they don't want to, like, you know,

0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 2>they're wearing their nice golf clothes and we're just like

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>these grimy, poison ivy ridden kids.

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 1>That's a service man.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>That was my first taste of entrepreneurship, I think, and

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 2>to realize that, like, oh man, I get to do

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>this exactly how I want, and you don't have to

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 2>buy the thing for me.

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I want you to buy it.

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 2>And I think you would love these perfectly unblemish nice

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 2>looking top flights or titleists that you just hit into

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the woods.

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, stand I'm always amazed at the myriad ways

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>people can make money in our society. I saw a

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>van the other day a company it was like exterior

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>lighting for homes, like that's all they did. I was like,

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that's highly specialized. All you're doing is exter your lighting

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>on like the bushes in the house.

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>And creating billboards of folks who do not just say

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like you're talking about the kind of lighting

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that you install the lights and it is like uplighting

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>on the house, yes, or the tree. I've seen billboards

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>around the holidays where they're advertising their services to put

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>up your Christmas lights, that's right, and then also take

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 2>them down, which I guess I kind of get because

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>there's a risk physical you are in peril. Sometimes if

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>you're up on the ladder and don't have that thing

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 2>set right, you can come follow off Yah.

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Finding and washing golf balls is another one. You can

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 1>have a list of ways to make money. Ken says,

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Since you spend so much time together, I'm wondering, do

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>you ever get on each other's nerves? And if so,

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>what's the secret to working through it quickly?

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I do think some of it comes back to sort

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>of what you were saying before, putting each other first.

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. Neither you nor I have brothers,

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>like we both have sisters. Yeah, And I think there's

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of like brotherly love that goes into

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>our relationship. And I think when we are both in

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>healthy spaces and we see each other as like as

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>brothers and we love each other just with that in mind,

0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>it helps to you know, you kind of overlook the

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 1>different flaws that maybe the other guy has. I mean,

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I assume you do that for me, because I get

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>my own flaws. But I think it's like loving each

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>other but then also giving each other space because they're

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, folks might hear us talk and at different

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>phases in our life, we did more stuff together. We've

0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>also done less stuff together.

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>But I think kind of finding that rhythm of like

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>like we've got our own interests and our lives don't

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 2>perfectly overlap each other, and so like you've got an interest,

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you you'll go do this thing. I'm kind of doing

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>this thing over here. Obviously we come back and we

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>still make the podcast, but we also come back and

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:25.600
<v Speaker 2>live life together in different ways too. But not every

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.959
<v Speaker 2>aspect of our lives is like a concentric circle. But

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 2>there's an overlapping circle.

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Overlap, for sure. It's interesting. There's one question, then diagram

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of shifts over time. There's one question. I think

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>we should get to a real quick because I think

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.719
<v Speaker 1>it just it piggybacks on this, Aaron said, do your

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>other friends get jealous with how much time you spend

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 1>together working on the pod, the newsletter articles, blah blah blah.

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>How long until you get sick of working together in

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.040
<v Speaker 1>any single session and need a.

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Break another friendship? Yeah, now a question. I don't think

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>about all things that way. That that feels like too limited

0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>of frame of reference or point of view to think

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that they're are friends. I mean, I've got other friends

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>out there, but are they thinking about the dynamic of

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>our relationship?

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. If they are, they don't, they

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 1>don't tell me. Yeah. The lot of time that comes up,

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>I think is like, because we moved to a new

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 1>place and people were like, well, who are these families

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:16.799
<v Speaker 1>that wait, they pulled the trigger at the same time

0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.799
<v Speaker 1>and they both moved three years ago. What is it

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.799
<v Speaker 1>that caused them to do this together? And I think

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>they were like, do I have somebody I would do

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>that with? And so I think a lot of people

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>are like the depth of that relationship is I think

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 1>it is rare in this day and age, right, the

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>people have a friendship that is almost like akin to

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a familial bond, And so I think from that aspect,

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>not that I don't think friends get jealous, but I

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 1>think they have at times been like, tell me what

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.399
<v Speaker 1>makes that work? Or tell me why is the why

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 1>does it look like this? Why do you guys live

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>your life in this way that is kind of tethered

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>at the hip? I hope it is all inspiring and

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:51.879
<v Speaker 1>not like.

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a weird, freakish cult or whatever, but like

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you're touching on something a question I don't think we'll

0:34:56.960 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 2>get to. But you're specifically talking about the move when

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 2>we moved out to the verbs, but like that was

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 2>a tough stage in our lives, because not only was

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>it tough for you and I, it was a little

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>bit trickier from because the wives.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like you're moving your.

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Entire family, so it impacts everybody right, Like there are

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>massive financial consequences here, social relationships. It was impacting the

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>kids as well, and so that was certainly a period

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>of time that required more discussions. We had a lot

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>of what we call family meetings where we're sitting down

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.239
<v Speaker 2>and having the conversations of what this is going to

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>look like for us to uproot and to find somewhere

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 2>new to live.

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think there's interest, but not jealousy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>On a related note, I guess about friendship Angela. She asked,

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 2>it was so much easier as kids. How do you

0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:44.799
<v Speaker 2>make adult friends, Joe?

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>How do you do it?

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 2>Do you just start talking to somebody that's asking their deepest,

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>darkest fears.

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I'd become both friends with somebody randomly and quickly.

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's probably my bent. But I do

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>agree that it's so much harder. And we lamented this

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.479
<v Speaker 1>a lot. Emily and I both as when we moved

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>up here, because it's like we're trying to build a

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>new community and find new friends, and for a while

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>you're like, I'm a little bit lonely. I don't know

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.000
<v Speaker 1>where my new crowd at. And so yeah, I remember

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>in college you're best friends with somebody in like two days,

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and then when you have young kids, I don't know,

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's like a few months. And now it feels

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like it takes years for a friendship to blossom because like,

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 1>your lives are just so busy, and it wasn't it's

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the stage of life we're in. Yeah, as well, Like

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't that all surprise me that with the happiness.

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>You see the happiness over a lifetime chart and it's

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>pretty much at its lowest point right now. Yes, Like

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.839
<v Speaker 1>somewhere between like thirty eight and forty two years old

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>is is where it's Seriously, it's literally the nator. It

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:41.279
<v Speaker 1>does not get any lower than it is right now.

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Because so much is being asked of us, it is

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 2>hard to dedicate the time career to parenting and making

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 2>friends and friendships. Relationships are the highest driver of happiness.

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I said, when you don't have the time to be

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:53.520
<v Speaker 2>able to do that, it makes sense.

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>I had a friend text me last night and he's like, hey,

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 1>last minute, but do you want to grab a beer?

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 1>And eight years ago I would have been like, yeah,

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>man in let's go. And I was like, even highly

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>relational me, he was like, I mean not tonight. I'm surprised.

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I was expecting you to have a great Uh happened.

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>It would not have happened if I would have said yes.

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I've also got a lot more balanced, I think where

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I I don't need that relational stuff as much as

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I used to it, even though I really enjoy it.

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I would say this that through

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>kids events, swim team is one of those, by the way,

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:28.800
<v Speaker 1>where you spend a lot of time with other people's

0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Shiam team. This summer has been an awesome way to

0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>get to meet people. Church is another place where I

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like I've gotten to know people and know them deeply.

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think in the in the burbs mat at

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 1>least where we live, like running together, dude running clubs

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>like the triple F thing. I know some guys that

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>do that. I don't partake, but when you three as

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:50.319
<v Speaker 1>ye run sorry triple A, triple F whatever it is.

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:54.280
<v Speaker 1>But like I think, dudes bond up here by doing

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.879
<v Speaker 1>feats of strength together or whatever. So running with other

0:37:57.920 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>guys that's actually been a good way for me to

0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 1>get it's some nosed fellas. If you're running slow but

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>long distances, you got a lot of time to talk.

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>That's true, Okay, Jim asks as best friends, you have

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>a ton in common. But in what ways do you

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>guys differ the most? What do you think, Joe, how

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>do we differ?

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I think people would assume listening to podcasts, one, people

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>say we sound alike, like their voices sound kind of like. Two.

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I think they're like, oh man, these guys like a

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of the same stuff. They like craft beer, they

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>like money. When you hear about the stuff that Matt

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and Joel they both go to soccer matches together, they

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>must be the same kind of person. And it's interesting

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 1>because personality wise, you and I are incredibly different. It's true.

0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:36.200
<v Speaker 1>People would cracking open another time, so people would assume, man,

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 1>these guys are just carbon copies. But it's not true.

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>So I think personality wise, we're very I'm not detail oriented.

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 1>You are incredibly detail oriented. I do think that's one

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of the ways that we are the most different is just.

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.360
<v Speaker 2>We're oftentimes like looking to achieve the same goal, but

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>how it is that we kind of get there. We

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 2>kind of end up in a similar place, but we've

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 2>found different ways to arrive there. It's also I think

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>why we make a great team and why I think

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the business runs works so well with us both being.

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.799
<v Speaker 1>A part of it. And I think you tend to

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.800
<v Speaker 1>go deeper on interest, which is part of your attention

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to detail kind of way of living which I appreciate

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>about you and I love and I feel like I

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>learn a lot from that vicariously, when you dig deep

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 1>into stuff and I get to hear the way your

0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>brain's working about it, and I just I don't know,

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe I lack the ability to go as deep

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>as you do, but.

0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the ability, but it's just not I don't think

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>that's just how you are naturally wired.

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So yeah, that I think the personality type, and

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>it actually when it comes to running a business and

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.800
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to what we both bring to this podcast,

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm really glad that we're really different. And

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I also think if you were a carbon copy of me,

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I'd get annoyed really quickly. I would most certainly be

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>annoyed with myself like and honestly, that's I tend to

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:50.960
<v Speaker 1>get the most annoyed with folks either who are the

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 1>most like me, because I then see my own faults

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>in somebody else and I'm just like, oh, that makes

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>me uncomfortable because I see you doing something that I

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 1>know I myself do. To say that, I feel that

0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>over the years that we've become Even though folks they

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>know that we have similar interests. You just shared how

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:10.320
<v Speaker 1>we kind of have Oh we're that we are very different,

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel that we have actually sort of become more

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:16.800
<v Speaker 1>similarly over the years. I would there's a part of

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 1>me that feels that way because early on I feel

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know when it comes to job, like

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you were working in radio.

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I own my own photography company. Like I was like you,

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 2>You've been running a lot more now, which I love,

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 2>but like back in the day, you're just like smoking

0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 2>cigarettes and play tennis. That's true, I would enjoy I'd

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:35.720
<v Speaker 2>enjoy a smoke with you, you know, like at a concert

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. But whereas now we're both like

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:41.319
<v Speaker 2>now I'm just trying to get you to do some

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 2>strength as opposed to, uh, just just the cardio. But

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.359
<v Speaker 2>generally speaking, I feel like we have, in a strange way,

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of found each other again. Yeah, yeah, that sound

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 2>too serendipitous.

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 1>Friendships over long term are really interesting things, and they

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 1>change and they morph and they it means something different

0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 1>to you at different times in your life. And I think,

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 1>especially over this past year, I've had some more difficult

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 1>things in my life personally, I think of which I've

0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>mentioned here on the podcast a couple different times. But

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I think you're getting to experience your support, love and

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 1>care like during hardship has meant a lot. So yeah,

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:17.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Are we more alike, are we more different?

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But friendships they ebb and flow. But

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.799
<v Speaker 1>this is like one of the most consistent things in

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>my life and to have you as a friend.

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you. I want

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 2>to read this crime app as we hash out our

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 2>feelings here on the podcast, Katie wrote, I believe it's

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Jael who enjoys collecting local folk art. How did you

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>find the art and artists when starting to collect? How

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 2>did you get into it in the first place. I'm

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a scientist slash engineer by trade and way outside the

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 2>art world. I'm interested to support some local artists, but

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know where to look or what is quote

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>unquote good Joel, what are your folk art tips?

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So I'm Katie, I'm no artists at all, Like, I

0:41:58.000 --> 0:41:59.919
<v Speaker 1>don't even know that I have a brain that works

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 1>or art. I know what I like, and so you

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 1>got good taste. Though. It was there were local artists.

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Typically they would paint murals and then I would start

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:08.719
<v Speaker 1>to kind of follow them on Instagram and then I

0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.360
<v Speaker 1>would kind of get to know them and try to

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>buy a piece or two that they that they were selling.

0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>And there was just a few people I started following,

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.719
<v Speaker 1>and then I would find other people that kind of

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:22.240
<v Speaker 1>overlapped with their style. But yeah, even have become gotten

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to become friends with a few of the artists that

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I really like, and there are awesome people and I

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 1>just appreciate that too. The other thing, there's this once

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>a year fulk art festival that I go to and

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 1>find out about new artists that way. It's honestly, it's

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 1>like my Christmas art festivals. Christmas Morning is awesome. The

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.879
<v Speaker 1>full kart festival for me is one ups Christmas Morning.

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Sorry if that sounds sacrilegious or something like that, but

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 1>it's my favorite day of the year, and so yeah,

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 1>find try to find a festival in your area. If

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>you can, you'll find it. You'll be exposed to a

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>bunch of new folks. You'll actually get to meet them,

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 1>you get to look at the art in person, You'll

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>get to walk on I budget so much money for

0:42:57.480 --> 0:42:59.479
<v Speaker 1>that day, Matt. It's I walk away with my arms

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:02.359
<v Speaker 1>full in my pocket's emptied, and it's like, I'm big

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 1>smile on my face. I'm hoping that we the past.

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Two years you've gone and we've already had things on

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.319
<v Speaker 2>the calendar and have not been able to make it.

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I need to put it on the calendars. That way,

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 2>we don't book something for that Saturday in order to

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 2>be able.

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:15.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to score some stuff too.

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>It's an affordable way to decorate your house too as well.

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 2>In addition to the festivals, I think even just going

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:23.480
<v Speaker 2>to a local gallery, if it's a good local gallery

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and they've got great local artists there, it's a good

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:28.439
<v Speaker 2>way to in real life meet somebody who knows these

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 2>folks and you kind of get that relational element as well.

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Joelt Meghan wrote, if you could instantly become an expert

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 2>in something obscure, what would it be and why? Bonus

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>points for not choosing a money related expert.

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.279
<v Speaker 1>So oh, it would definitely not be money related. I

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 1>love personal finance, but I would totally want to do

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>something completely obscure or different. Well, okay, for yours? Would

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>it be to be some sort of like exercise health

0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>expert like Andrew Huberman? That was my guess. No, I'm

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 1>interested in it.

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, I just noticed that she wrote

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.839
<v Speaker 2>if you could instantly become an expert, And I'm gonna

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>push back against that a little bit too, because the

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.440
<v Speaker 2>process of learning about something like that's where all the

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.239
<v Speaker 2>magic happens, right like that, Like that formational process is

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 2>so important.

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 1>No, I I unearn knowledge, you're not.

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Looking for that, so I enjoy I guess the physical

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 2>exercise longevity space. I would want to do something like

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 2>create like I think about the emes what's the plywood

0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 2>or I think it's called the plywodchair, But like I

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 2>think about beautiful furniture, and I would love to be

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>able to do something like that. I would love woodworking,

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 2>but highly but very high end and like the marrying

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 2>of form and function basically, like something beautiful that's esthetically

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 2>incredibly pleasing, but that serves a very clear purpose as well,

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Like what is a better way to be able to

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 2>enjoy something than like using it, right, like the tools

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 2>that we use.

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I just think about that. That that

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that seems really appealing to me. That's interesting about you.

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Mine would be. And I'm sure you would not have

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:57.919
<v Speaker 1>guessed this gardening because I'm not really green thumb joel

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>over there, like my normal life. You're not gonna find me

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:02.320
<v Speaker 1>in the garden. You're not gonna find me planning stuff.

0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Like I'm just come over to our house and pull

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.440
<v Speaker 2>some weeds around the plumb tree and the peach tree.

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>That's my I mean, I think that's my Like, that's

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 1>my personality. Bent is I'm not slowing down to plant

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>a garden. Yeah, but I wish I would, and I

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:14.600
<v Speaker 1>wish I knew more about it. And I do think

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that I'm losing something in my lack of like my

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 1>connection to human instincts, your literal connection to the earth. Yeah,

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>your hands down in the dirt. I think I'd be

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 1>really good for me. And so if I could become

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:29.360
<v Speaker 1>like a gardening expert. And then because because part of

0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 1>it too is in that trial and error, there's a

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of pain and a lot of frustration. If I

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>started planting stuff and the deer ated and it like

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.280
<v Speaker 1>that's where we are. Man, Yeah, I love like weeds

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.880
<v Speaker 1>overtaking everything. I mean, then I'd be frustrated and I

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>want to quit. And so if I was instantly an

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.920
<v Speaker 1>expert at gardening and I could like do it flawlessly,

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:46.680
<v Speaker 1>that'd be kind of cool.

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, funny enough. That's actually something that Kate and I

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 2>have been getting into. She is always I mean, she's

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>an incredible gardener, but it's something that I have also

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:55.440
<v Speaker 2>learned to.

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Love and appreciate. Let's see. Joel Leslie wrote what are

0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:00.799
<v Speaker 1>your predictions for your children futures?

0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a not loaded question at all, for instance, careers,

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 2>size of families.

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Are they also going to be best friends their whole lives?

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll say that I hope that our kids maintain this

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.200
<v Speaker 2>incredibly deep bond where they've known each other basically their

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 2>entire lives. Or we've got pictures of them as like

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>three day olds next to each other, which is I

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 2>mean not three days.

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, actually no, yeah, literally, our boys are three days apart.

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I think are for that to be the case.

0:46:27.520 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Our oldest girls will retain it more than any of

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the rest of them, and I hope they all will. Yeah,

0:46:32.560 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>but I think they have such a deep relationship at

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 1>this point it's fun to watch, Like it's one of

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 1>my favorite relationships to watch blossom and grow super cool.

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>You start though your kids, well family sizeas what are

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>they gonna do?

0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 2>That's for them to decide. I've got zero, Like I

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 2>am trying to hold that.

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 1>So if you're making a prediction, if you like older,

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 1>their inclination, like the kind of person they are, what

0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 1>would they because I have like thoughts. I don't have

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 1>things I want them to do. Like single tries to

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.400
<v Speaker 1>convince my oldest daughter to become president of the United States,

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, no, you probably don't want to do that.

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not a great gig.

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they've got their different strengths and weaknesses or not.

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean just the things that they're less interested in.

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 2>But like, you've got one who's great at following the

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>rules and being super orderly, one who just wants to

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 2>sit there and read all day long. Another one who's

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 2>incredibly physical and social, you know, like you like I

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 2>truly try not to. I would love to have a

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 2>big family. I never grew up around a whole lot

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 2>of people, like when it came to the size of

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 2>our families, and that was I never thought i'd have

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.440
<v Speaker 2>more than a couple kids. But then Kate and I

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.680
<v Speaker 2>got married and she just had one brother as well,

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and we both are like, you know what, I think

0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:37.359
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna have a lot of kids. I like the

0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 2>idea of sort of like what you were saying earlier,

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 2>being a grandparent. That's totally something I have hopes and ambitions,

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't want to say ambition, because it's like,

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.800
<v Speaker 2>how do you How are you ambitious about becoming a grandparent.

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>It's certainly a hope and yeah, hopefully that's something I'll

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:52.720
<v Speaker 2>get to see someday.

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I have career predictions except for

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:59.240
<v Speaker 1>from my oldest sens. It's mostly because she's said this already.

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>She's eleven, but she's like, I want to be like

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 1>a doula. She loves oh babies, Yeah, she wants to

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>she does. She's so good with her Grandma was a

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>neonatal nurse, and so I think there's this sort of

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>attachment there to like childbirth, and she's just obsessed with babies. So,

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.720
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, do I think she'll have a lot of kids?

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I do. And I think my son will probably also

0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:22.560
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of kids too. He just sensitive boy

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 1>and he likes he likes, uh, he likes babies too.

0:48:25.800 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 1>So my middle child, I don't know, Like she's the

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 1>wild card. Like what she gonna end up doing, It's

0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna be something epic. She might be like, probably

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.759
<v Speaker 1>something you were not at all expecially, probably be like

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>a red bull athlete or something like that, like diving

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.319
<v Speaker 1>from space or something. It's gonna be neat, it's gonna

0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:42.640
<v Speaker 1>be fun to watch. It's it's highly unpredictable. But uh yeah,

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I hope, I hope, like you a lot of grand kids.

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, we're gonna keep moving, uh and you

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.239
<v Speaker 2>know what, We're gonna take a quick break. But then

0:48:48.320 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 2>after that maybe we'll speed it up. We'll just kind

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 2>of do like a rapid fire and we'll give some

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 2>shorter answers. Well, it's all that right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we're back, let's hit up some more listener questions,

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>the ladys land this plane. Yeah, and then we'll talk

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>briefly about sabbatical plants. All right, So Kat says, what

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 1>beer types did you have to learn to appreciate? Oh?

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Almost all of them, really, I think. No, like the

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:22.279
<v Speaker 2>darker beers, the kind of darker maultiers, I would say,

0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I pas for sure. I remember the first I PA

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 2>I had. I remember my buddy Dan, he was just like, oh,

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I pas are an acquired taste. I remember that then,

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and I certainly get that. But yeah, I think fruited

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 2>beers for me.

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I remember the first beer I had was like a

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 1>blueberry beer, and I was like, this is terrible and

0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>this must be what only like sweawater blue? Was that

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>your girls with their pinky out drink or something like that?

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And I think, yeah, sweetwater Blue, I think it was it.

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 1>And then it turns out fruited beers are my all

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:51.279
<v Speaker 1>time favorite style of beer. So fruited beers or fruited sound,

0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.399
<v Speaker 1>fruited sours, okay. But I just assumed anything with fruit

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.320
<v Speaker 1>in it was not for me, okay, And then I

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 1>had to realize, wait, there's some highly crafted beer just

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>fruit that.

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:02.719
<v Speaker 2>There's a different I'm the first time I ever had

0:50:03.120 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>what is it New Belgium's la Fully, which is a

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>brown sour, I remember thinking, wow, only one other time

0:50:09.040 --> 0:50:10.839
<v Speaker 2>in my life have I had a beer where I said, Ooh,

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if I like this, And then eventually

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:15.320
<v Speaker 2>it became an entire category of beer that I enjoyed.

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Similarly when it came to sours in that way where

0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the first time I had it, I'm like, this isn't right.

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>This does not taste like they that they brewed it properly.

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But then you get to know the nuances in the

0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>funk and all the other flavors going on there that yeah,

0:50:28.040 --> 0:50:29.520
<v Speaker 2>it's certainly a style that I love.

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, all right, Adrian says, what Guinness World record do

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you think each of you could break? I've got no idea,

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm going to say.

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 2>It takes too much of an extreme dedication to one

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 2>single thing, and I hate that extreme nature of the

0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Guinness Book of I'm just looking to be like a

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 2>very awesome, normal dude, seriously, Like that's my It's like

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>one of my goals in life is to not pursue something.

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 1>To the extreme. I felt the need to come up

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.479
<v Speaker 1>with an answer. Okay, So I said, most time spent

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>talking without taking a breath, so I can just talk

0:50:58.239 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and talk and talk and talk and talk and just

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:01.480
<v Speaker 1>keep talking. And my mom used to tell me growing

0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:03.160
<v Speaker 1>up that I could just talk to a wall, and

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I think that might still be accurate. But I don't know.

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:08.239
<v Speaker 1>They're not interesting. They don't really talk back.

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.400
<v Speaker 2>So all right, here's the one that leans towards your

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 2>strengths from Aaron. If you played each other one on

0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>one in basketball, what would be each of your go

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:18.319
<v Speaker 2>to moves and what would you guess the final score

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:21.000
<v Speaker 2>would be? Joel, I'm going to completely hand the game

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.719
<v Speaker 2>over to you, not because of your height, but that helps.

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:27.279
<v Speaker 2>It's I don't it doesn't hurt. But there's some shorter

0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:30.640
<v Speaker 2>great basketball players out there, not like short as I

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>like under six foot.

0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we'll spud web back in the day,

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:37.120
<v Speaker 1>he was like a man. He could or springy legs. Yeah.

0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 1>See that gives me hope because I'm like, I'll over

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:41.319
<v Speaker 1>do the cream of cream. I build your bar sky

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 1>hook and that would be my go to move and

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I think I would win ten to seven because you're

0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>you're pretty scrappy. Ten to seven. You're quicker than me.

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 2>What's the regulation one on one basketball game? Normally basketball

0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:55.400
<v Speaker 2>games are like in the seventies or eighties or nineties.

0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 1>Are playing that long time? Oh? Okay, Now when you're

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 1>playing one on one, it's like to ten or something

0:51:59.640 --> 0:52:02.200
<v Speaker 1>like that. All right, Jeffrey says, I actually do want

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to know what Matt's hair routine is. I had just

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 1>started growing my hair longer, and I gotta know, am

0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I a genius? By the way to wear the same

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 1>shirt and joggers all week if it stays clean. Both

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.279
<v Speaker 1>of these are questions for you. My fine, oh my gosh, okay,

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 1>So the okay, the secret to letting your hair grow

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.320
<v Speaker 1>long is are the the soccer hair bands like that.

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like the skinny band that you put in your

0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>hair because you need to be able to pull up

0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:25.359
<v Speaker 1>back when you're when when you're being a bit more

0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:27.439
<v Speaker 1>active to where the hair is not getting like fallen

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>in your eyes. And then in addition to that, in

0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the winter, rock the beanie, like you put the hair

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>back in there. That way you're able to keep it

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.319
<v Speaker 1>out of your face. That's how you grow it long

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 1>before like you were able to grow up a pony taip, okay,

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:43.160
<v Speaker 1>but with shorter hair. What do you plue that yellow

0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>tube shorts cough or something like?

0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, extreme hold named after a former US military general, right,

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that's okay? No, I think it's like

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 2>a German that was like that was a military American

0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 2>military general. I haven't doven. I haven't entered my World

0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:58.560
<v Speaker 2>War two erage, okay, So okay, I got into the meats.

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 1>This is this is all. So you question wearing the

0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:03.680
<v Speaker 1>same stuff all week. If it stays clean, that's something

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 1>you do. No. If it touches your skin, you got to.

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>You gotta change it out every day. You wear the

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 1>same shirt sometimes a few days in a row. Right, No,

0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I just have the same not T shirt. All wear

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:13.479
<v Speaker 1>the same xterior shirt. Okay.

0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.759
<v Speaker 2>If it touches your skin, socks, underwear, undershirts, those only

0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.479
<v Speaker 2>last a day. But conversations I have with my kids

0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 2>on a semi regular basis because they haven't learned doing

0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:24.080
<v Speaker 2>too much longer, they haven't earn the rules yet. Yeah,

0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:25.719
<v Speaker 2>if it's touching your skin, man, if it's touching the

0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 2>pits or the booty, you gotta man, they're that thing

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 2>in the hamper, but over shirts, especially in the winter,

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:33.040
<v Speaker 2>you can you can rock that all week long.

0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Man, I I literally do that all week long. All right,

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Cindy says, what is each of your favorite non financial podcasts? Oh?

0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 2>So you know Huberman's at one of the that's not

0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the time figure, that's the physical fitness side of things.

0:53:44.480 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 1>What about you? I like, I'm very interested in politics,

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 1>although highly annoyed by politics as well, especially I mean,

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.880
<v Speaker 1>who's not right at the like the last decade? Right?

0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 1>But I would say Ezra Kline from the New York

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Times and Reason the reason around table, Yeah, because I'm

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.399
<v Speaker 1>getting like two different sides of the same same coin.

0:54:01.480 --> 0:54:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I love hearing different takes, and I think both of

0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:05.879
<v Speaker 1>them have a lot of like wisdom and intelligence. I'm

0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:07.800
<v Speaker 1>surprised you didn't say the Fifth Column boys. I like

0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:10.160
<v Speaker 1>those guys too. They're great. That's more I mean, that's politics,

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:11.560
<v Speaker 1>but it's also little culture.

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rough around the edges on the opposite side of

0:54:14.640 --> 0:54:15.399
<v Speaker 2>the spectrum when it comes.

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:19.800
<v Speaker 1>What about honestly with Barry Weiss listen to that. I

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 1>love I think they do so. She does such a

0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 1>great job. And just the free press.

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Generally speaking, I'm such a huge fan that on the

0:54:26.520 --> 0:54:29.839
<v Speaker 2>spiritual side of things. For the past several months, I've

0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 2>been listening to Mocking Cast.

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know it. You never heard the Mocking Cast?

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, I do, only I don't know them well

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 1>enough to be able to share their name, like R

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Jay Sa. So there's three. There are three believers and

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they just sit down and they talk about faith, how

0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it's intersecting with like daily life, but they talk.

0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:51.160
<v Speaker 2>About how hard it is to be a Christian. Yeah,

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.399
<v Speaker 2>and I'll dude, you would totally love it. I can't

0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 2>believe we haven't talked about it. Yeah, it's something I'm prosed.

0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm mostly listening to audiobooks, by the way these days,

0:54:58.239 --> 0:54:59.880
<v Speaker 1>so I listen to some podcasts and I like so.

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.399
<v Speaker 1>But if I'm listening to, which I haven't been doing lately,

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 1>let's listen to an audio. But what do you listen?

0:55:04.239 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, so you're reading Lord of the Right. Yeah,

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:08.680
<v Speaker 2>so are you gonna go straight through? By the way,

0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll probably break it up, probably break it up. But

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>part of it's just because when is it going to

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 2>become available next? And I haven't true playing it out perfectly.

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Listen to something else, but then you. I want you

0:55:19.040 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 2>to kind of power through it though, Yeah, because just

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:22.480
<v Speaker 2>to be able to tie it all together. So good,

0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.719
<v Speaker 2>it's good stuff. I'm looking forward to being able to

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:26.800
<v Speaker 2>read that with the kids, which I still feel that

0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:28.279
<v Speaker 2>we're a little ways from all right, this is a

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>quick one. Jana says, diagonal or straight cuts for your

0:55:31.239 --> 0:55:33.359
<v Speaker 2>grilled cheese. I feel like there's only one answer when

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:35.799
<v Speaker 2>tomato soup is involved, diagonal all the way. I mean,

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.800
<v Speaker 2>it's just like slam dunk question. Right, we're not communists,

0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:41.959
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, right? Who cuts it straight down the middle?

0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 1>All right? Anonymous or reached out and said, if you

0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:46.439
<v Speaker 1>if you asked chat chept to roast you, what would

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it say? And this is something you can go do

0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>for yourself. So I don't want to read all these

0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:51.359
<v Speaker 1>but I did go into chatcheapt and said, hey, will

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you roast Matt and Joel from out of money? What

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.000
<v Speaker 1>was your You wrote a couple down? What are you

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>some of your vails? I, speaking of hair, says Joel's

0:55:57.880 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 1>hair looks like he's been saving on haircuts since two

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:01.719
<v Speaker 1>thousand nin and Matt the guy could probably build a

0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 1>DIY bunk bed with nothing but a promo code and

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:06.200
<v Speaker 1>a craft beer bottle. I mean, it's just like and

0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:07.879
<v Speaker 1>he's a speaking of which I haven't heard two people

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:10.160
<v Speaker 1>mentioned craft beer so much outside of a Portland tattoo parlor.

0:56:10.200 --> 0:56:13.920
<v Speaker 1>So chatchy pet knows us. And then also you could

0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:15.360
<v Speaker 1>it says like at the bottom was like, do you

0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:17.520
<v Speaker 1>want to make it spicier? And so I did and

0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.200
<v Speaker 1>it just gets more off the rails. But it's it's funny.

0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 1>I just it's I never used chatchipt until I mean,

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I've used it like five times. So going in there

0:56:26.800 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 1>this question prompted me to check out what's going on

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>with AI, even though I mostly avoid itys.

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 2>It'll be interesting to see how things play out. Man

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Eric wrote, what is your biggest non financial regret?

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Joel? Do you have regrets dude? Or you like me,

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>no regrets? That's yeah. I think everyone has something that

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:46.960
<v Speaker 1>if they could go back because and largely because maybe

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it's led to hurting somebody that they love. Right, it's like, oh,

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:51.920
<v Speaker 1>what I wish I would have been more thoughtful about that.

0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's tip. That would be like a regret that

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:55.759
<v Speaker 1>I would say, But.

0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Can't you take like the Judo move and like use

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the momentum of that bad decision to make you like,

0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:02.440
<v Speaker 2>aren't you a better person because of what like your

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 2>past and maybe mistakes or missteps because.

0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I think about that, I think so. I think so.

0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 1>But there are probably ways I could have learned more

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.120
<v Speaker 1>quickly and not, let you know, been such an idiot

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.880
<v Speaker 1>for so long. But that's a really hard question to

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 1>here's a faster learning yeah exactly, which I think I

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>do learn faster now than I did over like the

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 1>last fifteen years. But yeah, I don't know, so I

0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 1>guess I will. I will leave it at that. There

0:57:25.240 --> 0:57:27.480
<v Speaker 1>are probably things I wish I would have There are

0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:29.560
<v Speaker 1>certainly things I wish I would have learned more quickly,

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and in particular how they led to hurt feelings or

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:37.000
<v Speaker 1>they led to disrepair or dysregulation in relationships. And I've

0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>learned a lot in the past few years. And I

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>think the biggest thing I've learned, Matt, is to take

0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 1>more responsibility from my actions and to approach the people

0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I love with more humility, and that allows me to

0:57:48.200 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 1>learn a lot more quickly than I used to. Very nice.

0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you sharing that, dude. Do you should we

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<v Speaker 1>round out with a couple more here or should we

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.360
<v Speaker 1>just jump to the end. Do let's do last one? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha says, do you consider yourself happy? Do you consider

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:04.280
<v Speaker 1>yourself lucky? I would say yes to both. What about

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you for sure both? Yeah?

0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's certainly lucky happen. Happiness feels like a very

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.360
<v Speaker 2>shallow kind of like do you have joy? I don't

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 2>know that that kind of I agree that what's my

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>appetite for some like the bigger kind of conversations that

0:58:17.840 --> 0:58:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I like to get into happiness that's dependent on the weather.

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we kind of leftovers I'm bringing into.

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:26.560
<v Speaker 2>The office that I that I get to enjoy as

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.560
<v Speaker 2>opposed to like more of the deep seated, solid to

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:33.160
<v Speaker 2>the core kind of foundational aspects of joy.

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that I'm more interested. And it's interesting. I think

0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:41.040
<v Speaker 1>contrary to the modern conception of happiness, deep joy is

0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>often found through self sacrifice and service. Yeah, and the

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 1>deep love and care for other people more than you

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:48.720
<v Speaker 1>care for yourself. And I think that's something that in

0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:53.440
<v Speaker 1>many ways we've maybe like lost as a culture, not

0:58:53.960 --> 0:58:56.360
<v Speaker 1>not wholly, but in many ways we have or it

0:58:56.480 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 1>is more looking out for number one and if you

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 1>if you want, yes, if you want to encounter more

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 1>of that joy than I think it is going to

0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>involve a certain amount of letting down, putting aside which

0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:12.680
<v Speaker 1>you care about the most, and in favor of watching

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 1>other people and helping other people in your life succeed. Yea,

0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that I think that's where I found a

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of joy. Yeah, No, I totally recent years, I

0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>totally agree.

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.280
<v Speaker 2>And isn't that so much a part of parenting? And

0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:25.960
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the things that scares me the most

0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 2>about the trend that we see our culture going in.

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.400
<v Speaker 2>When when when there are fewer folks who are at

0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.680
<v Speaker 2>all interested in having kids or having fewer kids, because

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:36.520
<v Speaker 2>what are you oftentimes instead looking at you're looking at

0:59:36.560 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 2>yourself and like the things that you think are going

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:40.080
<v Speaker 2>to make you happy and some of the different goals

0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.959
<v Speaker 2>that you have as an individual as opposed to finding

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 2>ways to help children, in particular to be able to

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:48.000
<v Speaker 2>do that, by the way, without having kids, and a

0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there percent I have kids, right,

0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not at all being like the single cat lady,

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Like that's not the line that I'm that I'm at

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.360
<v Speaker 2>all spouting, but it is I think an outcome of

0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:00.560
<v Speaker 2>folks who maybe aren't self examining it. If you've done

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<v Speaker 2>the work and you're just like, you know what, like

1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 2>kids aren't for me, that's totally valid, Like please hear

1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:06.919
<v Speaker 2>me saying that, But I think it's for the folks

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<v Speaker 2>who are just like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds hard, or then I'm not going to be

1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 2>able to do this, And this sounds sounds like fun.

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<v Speaker 2>The ability to see somebody grow up and for them

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<v Speaker 2>to realize they're for full potential and the self sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>that goes into that, and then ultimately the joy that

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<v Speaker 2>comes out of seeing someone like your kids develop into

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<v Speaker 2>who they're meant to be. That sounds incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking of that Ryan Holliday quote where the obstacle is

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<v Speaker 1>the way and it's like, man, the greatest growth that's

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<v Speaker 1>happened in my life have been through the times of

1:00:34.640 --> 1:00:38.400
<v Speaker 1>greatest self sacrifice and greatest suffering, and so happiness, like

1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:41.160
<v Speaker 1>day to day happiness is not improved because of the

1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:46.120
<v Speaker 1>suffering significance that I've experienced, but my overall depth of

1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:50.200
<v Speaker 1>joy and gladness in being human and who God has

1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:52.600
<v Speaker 1>made me to be has grown significantly. Because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, man.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we let folks know what to expect for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the summer, we cracked up another beer,

1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:02.320
<v Speaker 2>which was a Trushirrant, which is a triple oatmeal Russian

1:01:02.360 --> 1:01:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Imperial stout.

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<v Speaker 1>Two good beers on today's show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I meant, if you're gonna celebrate the thousandth episode,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a little bit of both. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny little can, eight point four or five ounces.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the size of a what is it? Is

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<v Speaker 2>this the size of like the original Red Bull's like

1:01:17.080 --> 1:01:20.000
<v Speaker 2>half a Red Bull. It's like so small, empty and tiny,

1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:22.640
<v Speaker 2>but man punched a whole lot of flavor. It was

1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:23.600
<v Speaker 2>punched above its weight class.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll say that for sure. Okay, let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>you a question then, So as listeners know from listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the episode this past Friday, we're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of time off. That's right. We're gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>back with a vengeance in early August and can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to come back, but we're gonna enjoy the crap out

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<v Speaker 1>of like a significant extended break here. Yes, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you most excited about for this time? For you and

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<v Speaker 1>for your family?

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<v Speaker 2>I I think for me, one of the things from

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<v Speaker 2>a logistics standpoint, I remember talking. I can't I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was either it was either Jillian maybe those Katie North,

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<v Speaker 2>but they just talked about being able to do things

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<v Speaker 2>with that time that you otherwise would not be able

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<v Speaker 2>to because you're taking a longer period of time off.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for us, we've never taken the longer road trip.

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<v Speaker 2>And so and I know folks have been listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the Airbnb ads and talking about this East Coast road trip,

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<v Speaker 2>like we are for real actually doing this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't just make it up for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've gotten more and more into the planning aspect

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and it just gets me more and more

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<v Speaker 2>excited about all the things that we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to experience together as a family, what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to learn, like the exploration and taking

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<v Speaker 2>kids to these new places. And I'm really excited about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But so that's just kind of like a but that's

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<v Speaker 2>more like vacation, right, Like that's the thing, Like we're

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<v Speaker 2>calling this kind of a sabbatical. But according to the

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<v Speaker 2>definition of everyone we've talked to, sabbaticals like oftentimes it's closed,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like three to six plus months sometimes, Well I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I mean I think six weeks eight weeks

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<v Speaker 2>is considered sabbatical for a lot of people. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's sometimes what most people. But the real question is,

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<v Speaker 2>folks are wondering when are you recording this episode that

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<v Speaker 2>you're currently speaking on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what folks don't exactly foreign advance, not to feign

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<v Speaker 1>advance either. Yeah, what are you looking looking forward to most? Honestly? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of going back. You're excited about your trip, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about some travel, but I think the thing

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<v Speaker 1>I'm most excited about is kind of the slowing down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was like, literally having this conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>someone earlier this morning, just how mundane life can be

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<v Speaker 1>and leaning into experiencing the joy in the mundane garbage time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's the It's the thing that when you are

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<v Speaker 1>in a hurry, you wish you didn't have it, But

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<v Speaker 1>when you wish away all the things, all the prickliness,

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<v Speaker 1>like all the sharper edges of life, there's nothing left

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<v Speaker 1>to grab onto.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and so like we need some of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need more of that in our lives

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<v Speaker 2>than we think we do and oftentimes more margin, more chill,

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<v Speaker 2>more margin, more chill, more space.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm gonna lean into it and

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<v Speaker 1>I love that just some time alone and which again

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<v Speaker 1>does not come naturally to me, but I am trying

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<v Speaker 1>to like cultivate that in my life to I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's important enjoy and be comfortable with that. So uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have long chats with friends and had long

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<v Speaker 1>chats with that. I have a lot of things on

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<v Speaker 1>my to do list that don't look super sexy or spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it's all about. Yeah, It's all about. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm pumped about.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, Yeah, this has officially been the longest

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<v Speaker 2>episode I'm sure that we have ever recorded, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know should we even finish out with a

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<v Speaker 2>beer review. Let's just let folks and know we can

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<v Speaker 2>say they were great. They were fantastic, so good you

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily need to hear us talk on and on

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but just to know that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>part of our conversation today, that we were both sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here as two dudes who are sitting here who love

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<v Speaker 2>each other, who are also enjoying some delicious beverages.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we have and truly we love you too. We

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<v Speaker 1>have so much gratitude for you, even though for most

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<v Speaker 1>of you we don't know you, although we've gotten to

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<v Speaker 1>know some listeners, even got on runs with some listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we also if we took your question on

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<v Speaker 1>today's show, reach out to us how to moneypot at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com, we'll send you a pair of how

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<v Speaker 1>to money socks. Thank you for participating. They are the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest socks in the history of the world, in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of socks, and we're going to enjoy the heck

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<v Speaker 1>out of this break and then we can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>come back and.

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<v Speaker 2>Some besties though up, so we'll have the content for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we will record some intros on a couple.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially, by the way, if you're in those newer ish

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<v Speaker 1>listener it's not like we pull these things out of

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<v Speaker 1>the dungeon. There's still like lots of good relevant money

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<v Speaker 1>advice in those episodes. So if you're like whether you

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<v Speaker 1>just missed the sound of our voices or if you're

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<v Speaker 1>new and you're like, I haven't heard that before, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure that's not the case the sound of our voices,

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<v Speaker 1>But enjoy those while we're gone and we can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to come back in early August. We'll see then. Well

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so buddy, until next time, best friends out,

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<v Speaker 1>Best friends Out,