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Speaker 1: Welcome to Out of Money. I'm Joel, I'm Matt, and

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Speaker 1: today we're celebrating episode one thousand with an ask Me

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Speaker 1: Anything episode. So should we have gotten some airhorns to

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Speaker 1: be able to be like in the background as we're

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Speaker 1: celebrating this, Hey, we should have gotten a live in

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Speaker 1: studio audience, invited them up to our clubhouse. Listeners.

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Speaker 2: Can't see me raising my glass, but cheers buddy. Seriously,

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Speaker 2: one thousand episodes incredible, quite the milestone.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I could celebrate it with you. Specifically.

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Speaker 1: Who else would be celebrated with Seriously, there's.

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Speaker 2: No one else. Yeah, I never never thought that we'd

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Speaker 2: hit a thousand. Did we celebrate when we hit a hundred?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we did in some way, And I think

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Speaker 2: maybe we even contemplated when we hit five hundred episodes.

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Speaker 2: But a thoud that's a serious landmark milestone episode.

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Speaker 1: But we should really be celebrating our listeners for putting

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Speaker 1: up with us for this long and it wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been possible to keep listening. Yeah, because for some reason

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Speaker 1: they love us or like us enough guess enough, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love They're like they're listening right and like it

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Speaker 1: feels a bit strong. I like you, okay, but uh no,

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Speaker 1: there's and so many good uh but it was funny.

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Speaker 1: I was listening to recently, Matt. There's this podcast called

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Speaker 1: econ Talk and it's like super nerdy, pointy headed economist

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Speaker 1: podcast that's been around for almost twenty years. And Russ

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Speaker 1: the host over there, just celebrated his thousands of episode,

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Speaker 1: and so I was listening to his and he took

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Speaker 1: I thought was like interesting, especially for what he does

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Speaker 1: and the style of show that he creates. But for us,

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Speaker 1: we'd like hearing from the people, the people's questions. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what I wanted, because actually I did real quick.

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Speaker 1: I looked up on chat GPT, like what questions would

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Speaker 1: you ask Matt Joel celebrating their thousands episode? Interesting, they

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Speaker 1: came up. They were super lame and basic. I was like,

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Speaker 1: the questions our listeners sent in are way better than that,

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Speaker 1: so much more personality. Yes, so we got thank you

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Speaker 1: by the way for submitting those questions. We will get

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Speaker 1: to as many as humanly possible. Yes, over of course

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Speaker 1: this did you want to share so last weeks? So

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Speaker 1: it was the last.

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Speaker 2: Friday's episode with Jilly, and we talked about the sabbaticals. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the end of the episode? Kind of planned at the

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Speaker 2: end we'll talk about our sabbaticals the stick around. But

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Speaker 2: let's maybe listen to last Friday's episode if you haven't

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Speaker 2: already listened to the sabbatical episode. Also, let us know

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Speaker 2: what you thought of that format. We totally switched things

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see if listeners were drawn to that,

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Speaker 2: because I think there are different ways that we could

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Speaker 2: tweak the show in the future, which honest and we're

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Speaker 2: trying all sorts of new things now. Yeah, now is

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Speaker 2: as good a time as ever to consider what the

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Speaker 1: My biggest question for people is is the intro too long?

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Speaker 1: Do we need to cut the music back? Like? Should

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Speaker 2: That's why I intentionally did not include the music on

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Speaker 2: some of my favorite shows that are a little more

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Speaker 2: personal in nature, where it sounds like you're just joining

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Speaker 1: Should we underproduce a little more basically is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: this is an AMA and ask me anything. And specifically

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Speaker 1: Slip through the cracks. Well, we love We'll still get

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Speaker 2: And we have a ton of questions and so we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it all right. This one came from Allison.

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Speaker 1: She says, why don't you and Matt go on a

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that it's a cop out.

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Speaker 2: I would So you've not been to font of Flora

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Speaker 2: not necessarily because I enjoy doing those things. Like typically

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Speaker 2: when you make a list, it's because I'm like, Okay,

434
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Speaker 2: I need to update the insurance information. There's not like

435
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Speaker 2: it's not like the process of doing that is something

436
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Speaker 2: that I enjoy as opposed to the things I enjoy

437
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Speaker 2: they should come more naturally to me as a opposed

438
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Speaker 2: to you to be more a game writing it out.

439
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Speaker 1: I guess so the only thing on your bucket list

440
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Speaker 1: is to hate on bucket lists. Yeah? Yeah, how about that.

441
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Speaker 1: That's good. I'll read the next one to see.

442
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Speaker 2: Ariana wrote, if you had no responsibilities, jol and if

443
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Speaker 2: you could do exactly what it is that you wanted,

444
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Speaker 2: what would be your perfect way to spend your day?

445
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Speaker 1: Do you? Okay? So this is a slightly separate question.

446
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Speaker 2: Do you have any talents if you go back in time,

447
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Speaker 2: which you pursue those talents knowing what you know now?

448
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Speaker 2: So two part question the perfect day and are hidden

449
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Speaker 2: talents a part of that perfect day?

450
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Speaker 1: Okay? So I would say perfect day going for a run,

451
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Speaker 1: coffee with a friend, little disc golf. I never played

452
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Speaker 1: disc golf anymore, but that would be involved in a

453
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Speaker 1: perfect day, some smoked meats. See how it challenge you

454
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Speaker 1: that I don't think the disc off is as important

455
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Speaker 1: to you anymore. It's not.

456
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Speaker 2: But got this place in your mind that you think

457
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Speaker 2: that that signal five is a perfect day. But I

458
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Speaker 2: am here to say maybe the run has replaced that,

459
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Speaker 2: because if it was something that you enjoy doing again,

460
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be on your list. It would just be

461
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Speaker 2: something that you went and did.

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of like the bucket list thinking.

463
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Speaker 1: But if I had all day to myself, i'd throw

464
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Speaker 1: that in because the disco, I'm not going to run

465
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Speaker 1: for five hours. So if I run as you're running ultras,

466
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Speaker 1: if I run for one hour, then I can still

467
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Speaker 1: get a round of the disc golf into and then

468
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Speaker 1: maybe hanging out at the pool with my fam especially

469
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Speaker 1: this time of year, Like what's better than that? So see,

470
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Speaker 1: that's what's so great is that we've been able to

471
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Speaker 1: incorporate some of the early retired or like Coast Fire

472
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Speaker 1: lifestyle into some of the days and weeks that we've

473
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Speaker 1: been able to enjoy recently. And it causes me to

474
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Speaker 1: want to challenge myself to think that there are ways

475
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Speaker 1: I can do these quote unquote perfect day things on

476
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Speaker 1: a more ongoing basis. This makes me think back.

477
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Speaker 2: You remember like Matt's Perfect Week that I did like

478
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Speaker 2: several years ago, where I like, I.

479
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Speaker 1: Mean Laura Vandercam special Right yeah.

480
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Speaker 2: Well that well, I mean I think I came up

481
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Speaker 2: with it on my own, Okay, and then she reached

482
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Speaker 2: out because she wanted to hear me talk about it,

483
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Speaker 2: and then she included it in her book. But I

484
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Speaker 2: wanted to prove to myself that in a seven day

485
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Speaker 2: period of time that I could do a lot of

486
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Speaker 2: the different things I wanted to do in life, because

487
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Speaker 2: at that point in life, I didn't feel like I

488
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Speaker 2: had the time to it'say, oh, do I have the

489
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Speaker 2: ability to go and go for.

490
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Speaker 1: A run, meet up with friends and.

491
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Speaker 2: Grab beers, have coffee with this other friend, do all

492
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Speaker 2: these other responsibilities that I had, but also the fun things.

493
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Speaker 2: And I think, okay, not to make this overtly lessonee

494
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Speaker 2: in like what's.

495
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Speaker 1: The big takeaway here?

496
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Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of folks who are

497
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Speaker 2: listening like us Joel, who have done the really hard things.

498
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Speaker 2: They have sacrificed, they have saved and invested for like

499
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Speaker 2: decades now, and I think a lot of those folks

500
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Speaker 2: might be closer to living the quote unquote perfect day

501
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Speaker 2: on a more regular basis, as opposed to feeling like

502
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Speaker 2: for us, oh that we have to even wait up,

503
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Speaker 2: hold off and wait until summer to be able to

504
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Speaker 2: have some of these perfect days. Yea, And for somebody

505
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Speaker 2: else it may not be as extreme as that, where

506
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Speaker 2: it's just like I want to be able to wake up,

507
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Speaker 2: spend some time in the words, do some contemplative prayer,

508
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Speaker 2: have breakfast with my family, or work out with Kate.

509
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Speaker 2: That's my thing that I've actually been enjoying a whole

510
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Speaker 2: lot lately, have breakfast with a family, engaged in some

511
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Speaker 2: intellectual mind expanding sort of practice. Like that's pretty extreme,

512
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Speaker 2: but I think there's a lot of people who are thinking.

513
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Speaker 1: Dudes.

514
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Speaker 2: For me, even just working out every day would be fantastic.

515
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Speaker 2: But I think there are ways that a lot of

516
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Speaker 2: folks can start making some of those aspects of life.

517
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Speaker 1: More of a reality, start to buy back some of

518
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Speaker 1: their time now and not just wait until mid to

519
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Speaker 1: late sixties. Yeah, I totally agree. Okay, And if you

520
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Speaker 1: go back in time, would you pursue a talent that

521
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Speaker 1: haven't pursued? So, no, I don't think I have it.

522
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Speaker 1: I don't have any hidden talents.

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Speaker 2: The same I well, oh my gosh, okay, so I

524
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Speaker 2: have n't played piano more and well my oldest daughter

525
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Speaker 2: she plays, and where we're talking about getting a piano

526
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Speaker 2: in the new space because we've got the space now

527
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Speaker 2: for a little upright or maybe a studio piano. Turns

528
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Speaker 2: out they're everywhere you can get a free piano, so

529
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Speaker 2: you got to pay to get it moved and get

530
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Speaker 2: it tuned or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So it's still going to cost you. Yeah, I think

532
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Speaker 1: a couple hundred dollars.

533
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Speaker 2: But that's something that I've enjoyed doing, so I'm kind

534
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Speaker 2: of like, oh man, and it opens up a different

535
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Speaker 2: part of your brain, especially like music and just the

536
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Speaker 2: way that the brain works as it's putting together notes

537
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Speaker 2: and melody and uh, it's good.

538
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Speaker 1: Yeah, something I've enjoyed the song. I love it. All right,

539
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Speaker 1: We've got more of your What about you? Oh, hidden

540
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Speaker 1: talent talents? Yes, ask me. No. I think the only

541
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Speaker 1: other interest I have job wise, if I wasn't doing

542
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Speaker 1: this is like, I'm very highly relational, Like Walmart greeter

543
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Speaker 1: doesn't sounding my ideal job, but in some ways it does. Right,

544
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Speaker 1: So something customer service focused. I don't know what that

545
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Speaker 1: would be, but I've always said, like, if I'm not

546
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Speaker 1: in this, something that's highly relational, customer service focused is

547
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Speaker 1: what I would want to do. So, yeah, what would

548
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Speaker 1: that be? I don't know. Is that a hidden talent?

549
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Speaker 1: Even that I like people. I don't know, I don't

550
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Speaker 1: know the way you approach it. It could, yeah, certainly

551
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Speaker 1: be that. Yeah, all right, let's get to more questions,

552
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,959
Speaker 1: your questions. Lots of good ones coming up right after this.

553
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Speaker 2: All right, man, we were back, Jim wrote, we all

554
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Speaker 2: know the basic way you two met college, which is

555
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Speaker 2: funny actually because we didn't meet in college. But how slash,

556
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Speaker 2: When did you meet and say to yourself, this guy

557
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Speaker 2: is pretty neat. I think I'll hang out with them

558
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Speaker 2: for the rest of my life, start a business with him.

559
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Speaker 2: What was your thought when you first met each other, Joel,

560
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Speaker 2: What went through your mind when you first saw me

561
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Speaker 2: across the room? Dudes, you got interesting hair, and you thought, oh,

562
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Speaker 2: I have to approach this. Dudes got interesting hair was

563
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Speaker 2: the first thing.

564
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Speaker 1: I thought. You had the coolest hair. I have crazy

565
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Speaker 1: hair back then? You still, yeah, you did. You had

566
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Speaker 1: you love the hair gel, and it was you were

567
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Speaker 1: it was smoking. It's not it was used to be

568
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: a bit more uh rufio from hook. That's true.

569
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Speaker 2: It was without without all the red or whatever color here.

570
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Speaker 2: I think what stuck out very quickly upon meeting you too, Well,

571
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Speaker 2: you guys had just like occasionally when you you were

572
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Speaker 2: a photographer, you would shoot stuff and then you would

573
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Speaker 2: occasionally that's that's like what well I was gonna say

574
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Speaker 2: Occaionally you would barter for stuff for your job, so

575
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Speaker 2: you could barter. You borted for a beach house. One

576
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Speaker 2: time you bartered for free food at a restaurant, like

577
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Speaker 2: gift cards to a restaurant.

578
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys invited us to partake it. We

579
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Speaker 1: didn't really know you very well, and you're like, hey,

580
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Speaker 1: we've got the gift card, come eat with us, and

581
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Speaker 1: you paid for our fancy meal. And I was like, man, generous,

582
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Speaker 1: cool people. We don't know you very well, and you

583
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Speaker 1: still invited us to do that. So I was like,

584
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Speaker 1: that's the kind of first time I want to hang

585
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Speaker 1: out with.

586
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Speaker 2: Oh that's right, man, I appreciate that. And I totally

587
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: forgot about that.

588
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

589
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Speaker 2: We had some neighbors, some friends of ours. They owned

590
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Speaker 2: a restaurant and they were looking for some new images

591
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Speaker 2: for their for the website, and they hooked us up

592
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Speaker 2: with a pretty fat gift card. And we're just like,

593
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Speaker 2: we could go here a couple of times, maybe even yeah,

594
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 2: a couple of times at least, or we can buy

595
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: julll and Emily and throw down some amazing rabbis. I

596
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: specifically remember that you and I both got we both

597
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Speaker 2: got revised. So just so folks know, we actually met

598
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Speaker 2: in the neighborhood. We didn't meet in college. We did

599
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Speaker 2: not know each other in college, although I feel like

600
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Speaker 2: we would have been buds based on stories I hear

601
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Speaker 2: from your college.

602
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Speaker 1: Sure, but we met.

603
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Speaker 2: It's funny enough we met playing board games, like I

604
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: don't technically remember meeting you. Prior to that game party,

605
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: A mutual friend invited us over to their house and

606
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Speaker 2: we played I'm guessing something like Puerto Rico or Settlers

607
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: of Catan, something like that. But that's that was my

608
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: first memory, and I just remember thinking, you're more extra

609
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: extroverted than I am. You're more social, and I know

610
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Speaker 2: it's helpful for me to be around folks who pulled

611
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Speaker 2: me out a little bit more, because I know my

612
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: natural tendency is to stay at home and I enjoy

613
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Speaker 2: going out. But you like to go up more than

614
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: I do. I do, which means it pulls me in

615
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: a healthy direction. So in that way, I think we compliment.

616
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Speaker 1: I think that each other the starting a business thing

617
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: together like we obviously I came later down much later,

618
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: but then it became this like passion and practical pursuit

619
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Speaker 1: for us was like, oh, how can we do this

620
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: thing where we get to work together and enjoy something

621
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Speaker 1: that we create and it allows you to not to

622
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Speaker 1: work on the weekends, which you had to do as

623
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Speaker 1: a wedding photographer, and so it was. It was practical,

624
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: but it was also passion oriented. You and I really

625
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: cared deeply about the topic of personal finance, and we

626
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: couldn't have predicted that it would have been become what

627
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Speaker 1: it is and we would have been doing it as

628
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Speaker 1: long as we have, and but we're thankful for it.

629
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Speaker 1: And to get to work together, by the way, is

630
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: a joy. Like not every day is awesome, but the

631
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: whole arc of these past seven years like to get

632
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Speaker 1: to work with your best friends seven coming up on eight, dude.

633
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: I know people. I think a lot of people would

634
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: recommend do not start a business with your best friend

635
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Speaker 1: because it'll change your friendship. And I think there's actually

636
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: maybe a question about this later something, but I'll just

637
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: get it out of the bag right now. Working with

638
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: your best friend can work as long as you prioritize

639
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: the friendship above the business, and we have consistently tried

640
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: to do that. Not that we don't care deeply about

641
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: this business, but we care more about each other than

642
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: what happens with totally and that matters a lot.

643
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: I completely agree, not to completely get non sentimental, but

644
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: I want to do Nichole's question here because she specifically

645
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Speaker 2: was asking me about bucket list vacations, which is something

646
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Speaker 2: I feel.

647
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Speaker 1: Like you hate bucket lists. Well, when you say bucketst

648
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: then I can say it like, oh, where's somebody somewhere

649
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: when on vacation that you would love to go? And

650
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Speaker 1: that feels different to me than like a life bucket

651
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: list of like before I die, I must do these things.

652
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: It is so in Italy, Northern Italy, the Dolomites, beautiful

653
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: amazing mountains and they have these lodges or these huts

654
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: that you can get up into the like alpine zone

655
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: just just it's beautiful. But then you hike, like you'll

656
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: hike for like five hours, like along this trail. It's

657
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: like a route or a circuit, and then you get

658
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: to the next lodge or the next hut and then

659
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: you spend the night there and there's a series of

660
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: these that you can do. And when I think about specifically,

661
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: I mean what I love to do the most, especially

662
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: with Kate, like that is what we love to do,

663
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: and so that again it's it's sort of the marring

664
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: of food and drink mixed with amazing scenery, but with

665
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: a splash of additional culture thrown in, which sounds like

666
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing that I that I certainly

667
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: want to.

668
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: Sounds participate in. What about you? I think Japan like

669
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: going back to the baseball thing. I love how much

670
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: they love baseball. I would love to see some baseball

671
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: games in Japan. That sounds like a fun experience. We

672
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: love the coffee culture, the food culture, like I would.

673
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I just would love to exper I've been to China,

674
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: it was awesome. I would love to experience Japan one

675
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: of these days. Maybe we'll do it. Man, all right,

676
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Laura says, what's the best non money advice you ever got? Slash,

677
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: what's the craziest, weirdest part time job you've ever had?

678
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another two parter. Uh, do you remember getting

679
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: advice as a kid?

680
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: Not? Or maybe I'm assuming that you're asking advice as

681
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, I was thinking young adult, and I

682
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: was specifically my mind went to marriage counseling before Emily

683
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: and I got married, and I remember the person who

684
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: was doing our marriage counseling said, don't ever use the

685
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: D word divorced. Okay, Yeah, And actually that's been incredibly

686
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: helpful because once you use that word, once you open

687
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: those those fund dates, like it creates a lot of

688
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: instability in your relationship. And so never using that and

689
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: realizing that that was never an option for us, it

690
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we haven't had hard times in our

691
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: marriage and our life, and that there are times where

692
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't even know if I like this

693
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: person right now. I know that's how she feels about

694
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: me sometimes less mean about her. But that's saying that

695
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: that's off limits. That was really wise sage advice for me.

696
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: I think that's great advice. Yeah.

697
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: I immediately thought back to like when I was a kid,

698
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, I think I was too much

699
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: of an idiot to actually hear the great wisdom that

700
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: was being served up to me, you know, like I'm

701
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: sure my grandpa, I'm sure my dad, my mom that

702
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: they said quite wise things for me to maybe pick

703
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: up on, but I just was not.

704
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: I did not have the years to hear it.

705
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so one thing, so I was like, Okay,

706
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: what is something that actually stands up the parenting advice

707
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: or it's like a not a parable but like a

708
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: phrase prepare the child for the road, don't prepare the

709
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: road for the child. It's something I always keep coming

710
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: back to when it comes to anything, like you take

711
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: that and just apply it to all aspects of parenting,

712
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: and I think you're going to be all right.

713
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. What about from a job standpoint though? So the

714
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: second part of a question, Okay, craziest job, weirdest was

715
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: dressing up as a cell phone after school in high school.

716
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: We got paid fifteen bucks an hour under the table.

717
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: That was pretty good. Nice. But I think my favorite

718
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: part time job was working the photo booth at Eckert's

719
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: back in the day. I don't even think they have

720
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: humans running those things anymore. That's all. It's all computers,

721
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: computers and machines. But that I love that because you

722
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: I get to live vicariously through other people's vacations and

723
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: then they come to pick up their photos and I'd

724
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: be like, oh, how was your trip. It looked awesome

725
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: and it was fun. Yeah.

726
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: My like, none of my jobs seem wacky or crazy

727
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: to me. It's it's just my life, I guess. So

728
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: mine goes to the first job where I received money

729
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: from somebody else that wasn't my parents, and that was

730
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: selling golf balls.

731
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: And so I would spend the summers as a kid.

732
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: So and so, yeah, we would find like find them

733
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: in the woods, scour the woods, the creeks, and they're

734
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: just nasty, and we'd take them to well, this is

735
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: the best part. We'd take them to the tea box

736
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: of the different holes and put them in the ball cleaner.

737
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So we wouldn't even take it home and

738
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: like use our own soap or it does. Like we

739
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: could clean it right here, set up on the side

740
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: of the car path and sell back to these golfers

741
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 2: the balls that they hit into the woods, basically and

742
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: something that they're too lazy to go find and clean

743
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: up themselves, well because they don't want to, like, you know,

744
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: they're wearing their nice golf clothes and we're just like

745
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: these grimy, poison ivy ridden kids.

746
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: That's a service man.

747
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: That was my first taste of entrepreneurship, I think, and

748
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: to realize that, like, oh man, I get to do

749
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: this exactly how I want, and you don't have to

750
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: buy the thing for me.

751
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: I want you to buy it.

752
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 2: And I think you would love these perfectly unblemish nice

753
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: looking top flights or titleists that you just hit into

754
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: the woods.

755
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, stand I'm always amazed at the myriad ways

756
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: people can make money in our society. I saw a

757
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: van the other day a company it was like exterior

758
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: lighting for homes, like that's all they did. I was like,

759
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: that's highly specialized. All you're doing is exter your lighting

760
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: on like the bushes in the house.

761
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: And creating billboards of folks who do not just say

762
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: it sounds like you're talking about the kind of lighting

763
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: that you install the lights and it is like uplighting

764
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: on the house, yes, or the tree. I've seen billboards

765
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: around the holidays where they're advertising their services to put

766
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: up your Christmas lights, that's right, and then also take

767
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: them down, which I guess I kind of get because

768
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: there's a risk physical you are in peril. Sometimes if

769
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: you're up on the ladder and don't have that thing

770
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: set right, you can come follow off Yah.

771
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Finding and washing golf balls is another one. You can

772
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: have a list of ways to make money. Ken says,

773
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Since you spend so much time together, I'm wondering, do

774
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: you ever get on each other's nerves? And if so,

775
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: what's the secret to working through it quickly?

776
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: I do think some of it comes back to sort

777
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: of what you were saying before, putting each other first.

778
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Neither you nor I have brothers,

779
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: like we both have sisters. Yeah, And I think there's

780
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: a certain amount of like brotherly love that goes into

781
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: our relationship. And I think when we are both in

782
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: healthy spaces and we see each other as like as

783
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: brothers and we love each other just with that in mind,

784
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: it helps to you know, you kind of overlook the

785
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: different flaws that maybe the other guy has. I mean,

786
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: I assume you do that for me, because I get

787
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: my own flaws. But I think it's like loving each

788
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: other but then also giving each other space because they're

789
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, folks might hear us talk and at different

790
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: phases in our life, we did more stuff together. We've

791
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: also done less stuff together.

792
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: But I think kind of finding that rhythm of like

793
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: like we've got our own interests and our lives don't

794
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: perfectly overlap each other, and so like you've got an interest,

795
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 2: you you'll go do this thing. I'm kind of doing

796
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: this thing over here. Obviously we come back and we

797
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: still make the podcast, but we also come back and

798
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: live life together in different ways too. But not every

799
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: aspect of our lives is like a concentric circle. But

800
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: there's an overlapping circle.

801
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: Overlap, for sure. It's interesting. There's one question, then diagram

802
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: sort of shifts over time. There's one question. I think

803
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: we should get to a real quick because I think

804
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: it just it piggybacks on this, Aaron said, do your

805
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: other friends get jealous with how much time you spend

806
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: together working on the pod, the newsletter articles, blah blah blah.

807
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: How long until you get sick of working together in

808
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: any single session and need a.

809
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Break another friendship? Yeah, now a question. I don't think

810
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: about all things that way. That that feels like too limited

811
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: of frame of reference or point of view to think

812
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: that they're are friends. I mean, I've got other friends

813
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: out there, but are they thinking about the dynamic of

814
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: our relationship?

815
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: I don't think so. If they are, they don't, they

816
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: don't tell me. Yeah. The lot of time that comes up,

817
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: I think is like, because we moved to a new

818
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: place and people were like, well, who are these families

819
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: that wait, they pulled the trigger at the same time

820
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: and they both moved three years ago. What is it

821
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: that caused them to do this together? And I think

822
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: they were like, do I have somebody I would do

823
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: that with? And so I think a lot of people

824
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: are like the depth of that relationship is I think

825
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: it is rare in this day and age, right, the

826
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: people have a friendship that is almost like akin to

827
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: a familial bond, And so I think from that aspect,

828
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: not that I don't think friends get jealous, but I

829
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: think they have at times been like, tell me what

830
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: makes that work? Or tell me why is the why

831
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: does it look like this? Why do you guys live

832
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: your life in this way that is kind of tethered

833
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: at the hip? I hope it is all inspiring and

834
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: not like.

835
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a weird, freakish cult or whatever, but like

836
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: you're touching on something a question I don't think we'll

837
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: get to. But you're specifically talking about the move when

838
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: we moved out to the verbs, but like that was

839
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: a tough stage in our lives, because not only was

840
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: it tough for you and I, it was a little

841
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: bit trickier from because the wives.

842
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like you're moving your.

843
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: Entire family, so it impacts everybody right, Like there are

844
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 2: massive financial consequences here, social relationships. It was impacting the

845
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: kids as well, and so that was certainly a period

846
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: of time that required more discussions. We had a lot

847
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: of what we call family meetings where we're sitting down

848
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: and having the conversations of what this is going to

849
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: look like for us to uproot and to find somewhere

850
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: new to live.

851
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there's interest, but not jealousy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

852
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: On a related note, I guess about friendship Angela. She asked,

853
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: it was so much easier as kids. How do you

854
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: make adult friends, Joe?

855
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: How do you do it?

856
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: Do you just start talking to somebody that's asking their deepest,

857
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: darkest fears.

858
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd become both friends with somebody randomly and quickly.

859
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: But I think that's probably my bent. But I do

860
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: agree that it's so much harder. And we lamented this

861
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 1: a lot. Emily and I both as when we moved

862
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: up here, because it's like we're trying to build a

863
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: new community and find new friends, and for a while

864
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm a little bit lonely. I don't know

865
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: where my new crowd at. And so yeah, I remember

866
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: in college you're best friends with somebody in like two days,

867
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: and then when you have young kids, I don't know,

868
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a few months. And now it feels

869
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: like it takes years for a friendship to blossom because like,

870
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: your lives are just so busy, and it wasn't it's

871
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: the stage of life we're in. Yeah, as well, Like

872
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: it doesn't that all surprise me that with the happiness.

873
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: You see the happiness over a lifetime chart and it's

874
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: pretty much at its lowest point right now. Yes, Like

875
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: somewhere between like thirty eight and forty two years old

876
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: is is where it's Seriously, it's literally the nator. It

877
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: does not get any lower than it is right now.

878
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: Because so much is being asked of us, it is

879
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: hard to dedicate the time career to parenting and making

880
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: friends and friendships. Relationships are the highest driver of happiness.

881
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: I said, when you don't have the time to be

882
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: able to do that, it makes sense.

883
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: I had a friend text me last night and he's like, hey,

884
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: last minute, but do you want to grab a beer?

885
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: And eight years ago I would have been like, yeah,

886
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: man in let's go. And I was like, even highly

887
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: relational me, he was like, I mean not tonight. I'm surprised.

888
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: I was expecting you to have a great Uh happened.

889
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: It would not have happened if I would have said yes.

890
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: I've also got a lot more balanced, I think where

891
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: I I don't need that relational stuff as much as

892
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: I used to it, even though I really enjoy it.

893
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I would say this that through

894
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: kids events, swim team is one of those, by the way,

895
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: where you spend a lot of time with other people's

896
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Shiam team. This summer has been an awesome way to

897
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: get to meet people. Church is another place where I

898
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: feel like I've gotten to know people and know them deeply.

899
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: And I think in the in the burbs mat at

900
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: least where we live, like running together, dude running clubs

901
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: like the triple F thing. I know some guys that

902
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: do that. I don't partake, but when you three as

903
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: ye run sorry triple A, triple F whatever it is.

904
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: But like I think, dudes bond up here by doing

905
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: feats of strength together or whatever. So running with other

906
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: guys that's actually been a good way for me to

907
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: get it's some nosed fellas. If you're running slow but

908
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: long distances, you got a lot of time to talk.

909
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: That's true, Okay, Jim asks as best friends, you have

910
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: a ton in common. But in what ways do you

911
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: guys differ the most? What do you think, Joe, how

912
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: do we differ?

913
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: I think people would assume listening to podcasts, one, people

914
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: say we sound alike, like their voices sound kind of like. Two.

915
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: I think they're like, oh man, these guys like a

916
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff. They like craft beer, they

917
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: like money. When you hear about the stuff that Matt

918
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: and Joel they both go to soccer matches together, they

919
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: must be the same kind of person. And it's interesting

920
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: because personality wise, you and I are incredibly different. It's true.

921
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: People would cracking open another time, so people would assume, man,

922
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: these guys are just carbon copies. But it's not true.

923
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: So I think personality wise, we're very I'm not detail oriented.

924
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: You are incredibly detail oriented. I do think that's one

925
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: of the ways that we are the most different is just.

926
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: We're oftentimes like looking to achieve the same goal, but

927
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: how it is that we kind of get there. We

928
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 2: kind of end up in a similar place, but we've

929
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: found different ways to arrive there. It's also I think

930
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: why we make a great team and why I think

931
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: the business runs works so well with us both being.

932
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: A part of it. And I think you tend to

933
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: go deeper on interest, which is part of your attention

934
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: to detail kind of way of living which I appreciate

935
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: about you and I love and I feel like I

936
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: learn a lot from that vicariously, when you dig deep

937
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: into stuff and I get to hear the way your

938
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: brain's working about it, and I just I don't know,

939
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I lack the ability to go as deep

940
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: as you do, but.

941
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ability, but it's just not I don't think

942
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 2: that's just how you are naturally wired.

943
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, that I think the personality type, and

944
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: it actually when it comes to running a business and

945
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: when it comes to what we both bring to this podcast,

946
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: I think I'm really glad that we're really different. And

947
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: I also think if you were a carbon copy of me,

948
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: I'd get annoyed really quickly. I would most certainly be

949
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: annoyed with myself like and honestly, that's I tend to

950
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: get the most annoyed with folks either who are the

951
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: most like me, because I then see my own faults

952
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: in somebody else and I'm just like, oh, that makes

953
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable because I see you doing something that I

954
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: know I myself do. To say that, I feel that

955
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: over the years that we've become Even though folks they

956
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: know that we have similar interests. You just shared how

957
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: we kind of have Oh we're that we are very different,

958
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: I feel that we have actually sort of become more

959
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: similarly over the years. I would there's a part of

960
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: me that feels that way because early on I feel

961
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: like I don't know when it comes to job, like

962
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: you were working in radio.

963
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: I own my own photography company. Like I was like you,

964
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: You've been running a lot more now, which I love,

965
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: but like back in the day, you're just like smoking

966
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: cigarettes and play tennis. That's true, I would enjoy I'd

967
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: enjoy a smoke with you, you know, like at a concert

968
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: or something like that. But whereas now we're both like

969
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: now I'm just trying to get you to do some

970
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: strength as opposed to, uh, just just the cardio. But

971
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 2: generally speaking, I feel like we have, in a strange way,

972
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: kind of found each other again. Yeah, yeah, that sound

973
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: too serendipitous.

974
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Friendships over long term are really interesting things, and they

975
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: change and they morph and they it means something different

976
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: to you at different times in your life. And I think,

977
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: especially over this past year, I've had some more difficult

978
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: things in my life personally, I think of which I've

979
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: mentioned here on the podcast a couple different times. But

980
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I think you're getting to experience your support, love and

981
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: care like during hardship has meant a lot. So yeah,

982
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. Are we more alike, are we more different?

983
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. But friendships they ebb and flow. But

984
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: this is like one of the most consistent things in

985
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: my life and to have you as a friend.

986
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you. I want

987
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: to read this crime app as we hash out our

988
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: feelings here on the podcast, Katie wrote, I believe it's

989
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: Jael who enjoys collecting local folk art. How did you

990
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: find the art and artists when starting to collect? How

991
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: did you get into it in the first place. I'm

992
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: a scientist slash engineer by trade and way outside the

993
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: art world. I'm interested to support some local artists, but

994
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know where to look or what is quote

995
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: unquote good Joel, what are your folk art tips?

996
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: So I'm Katie, I'm no artists at all, Like, I

997
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: don't even know that I have a brain that works

998
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: or art. I know what I like, and so you

999
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: got good taste. Though. It was there were local artists.

1000
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: Typically they would paint murals and then I would start

1001
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: to kind of follow them on Instagram and then I

1002
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: would kind of get to know them and try to

1003
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: buy a piece or two that they that they were selling.

1004
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: And there was just a few people I started following,

1005
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: and then I would find other people that kind of

1006
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 1: overlapped with their style. But yeah, even have become gotten

1007
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: to become friends with a few of the artists that

1008
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: I really like, and there are awesome people and I

1009
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: just appreciate that too. The other thing, there's this once

1010
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: a year fulk art festival that I go to and

1011
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: find out about new artists that way. It's honestly, it's

1012
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: like my Christmas art festivals. Christmas Morning is awesome. The

1013
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: full kart festival for me is one ups Christmas Morning.

1014
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: Sorry if that sounds sacrilegious or something like that, but

1015
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: it's my favorite day of the year, and so yeah,

1016
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: find try to find a festival in your area. If

1017
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: you can, you'll find it. You'll be exposed to a

1018
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: bunch of new folks. You'll actually get to meet them,

1019
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: you get to look at the art in person, You'll

1020
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: get to walk on I budget so much money for

1021
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 1: that day, Matt. It's I walk away with my arms

1022
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: full in my pocket's emptied, and it's like, I'm big

1023
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: smile on my face. I'm hoping that we the past.

1024
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: Two years you've gone and we've already had things on

1025
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: the calendar and have not been able to make it.

1026
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: I need to put it on the calendars. That way,

1027
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: we don't book something for that Saturday in order to

1028
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: be able.

1029
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm going to score some stuff too.

1030
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: It's an affordable way to decorate your house too as well.

1031
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: In addition to the festivals, I think even just going

1032
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: to a local gallery, if it's a good local gallery

1033
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: and they've got great local artists there, it's a good

1034
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 2: way to in real life meet somebody who knows these

1035
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: folks and you kind of get that relational element as well.

1036
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: Joelt Meghan wrote, if you could instantly become an expert

1037
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: in something obscure, what would it be and why? Bonus

1038
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: points for not choosing a money related expert.

1039
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: So oh, it would definitely not be money related. I

1040
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: love personal finance, but I would totally want to do

1041
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: something completely obscure or different. Well, okay, for yours? Would

1042
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: it be to be some sort of like exercise health

1043
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: expert like Andrew Huberman? That was my guess. No, I'm

1044
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: interested in it.

1045
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: But you know what, I just noticed that she wrote

1046
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: if you could instantly become an expert, And I'm gonna

1047
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: push back against that a little bit too, because the

1048
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: process of learning about something like that's where all the

1049
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: magic happens, right like that, Like that formational process is

1050
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: so important.

1051
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: No, I I unearn knowledge, you're not.

1052
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: Looking for that, so I enjoy I guess the physical

1053
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: exercise longevity space. I would want to do something like

1054
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: create like I think about the emes what's the plywood

1055
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: or I think it's called the plywodchair, But like I

1056
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: think about beautiful furniture, and I would love to be

1057
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: able to do something like that. I would love woodworking,

1058
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: but highly but very high end and like the marrying

1059
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: of form and function basically, like something beautiful that's esthetically

1060
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: incredibly pleasing, but that serves a very clear purpose as well,

1061
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: Like what is a better way to be able to

1062
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: enjoy something than like using it, right, like the tools

1063
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: that we use.

1064
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think about that. That that

1065
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: that seems really appealing to me. That's interesting about you.

1066
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: Mine would be. And I'm sure you would not have

1067
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: guessed this gardening because I'm not really green thumb joel

1068
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: over there, like my normal life. You're not gonna find me

1069
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: in the garden. You're not gonna find me planning stuff.

1070
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: Like I'm just come over to our house and pull

1071
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: some weeds around the plumb tree and the peach tree.

1072
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: That's my I mean, I think that's my Like, that's

1073
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: my personality. Bent is I'm not slowing down to plant

1074
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: a garden. Yeah, but I wish I would, and I

1075
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: wish I knew more about it. And I do think

1076
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: that I'm losing something in my lack of like my

1077
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: connection to human instincts, your literal connection to the earth. Yeah,

1078
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: your hands down in the dirt. I think I'd be

1079
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: really good for me. And so if I could become

1080
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: like a gardening expert. And then because because part of

1081
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: it too is in that trial and error, there's a

1082
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of pain and a lot of frustration. If I

1083
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: started planting stuff and the deer ated and it like

1084
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: that's where we are. Man, Yeah, I love like weeds

1085
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: overtaking everything. I mean, then I'd be frustrated and I

1086
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: want to quit. And so if I was instantly an

1087
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: expert at gardening and I could like do it flawlessly,

1088
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: that'd be kind of cool.

1089
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, funny enough. That's actually something that Kate and I

1090
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: have been getting into. She is always I mean, she's

1091
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: an incredible gardener, but it's something that I have also

1092
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: learned to.

1093
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Love and appreciate. Let's see. Joel Leslie wrote what are

1094
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: your predictions for your children futures?

1095
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: That's a not loaded question at all, for instance, careers,

1096
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: size of families.

1097
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: Are they also going to be best friends their whole lives?

1098
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: I'll say that I hope that our kids maintain this

1099
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: incredibly deep bond where they've known each other basically their

1100
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: entire lives. Or we've got pictures of them as like

1101
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: three day olds next to each other, which is I

1102
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 2: mean not three days.

1103
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: Well, actually no, yeah, literally, our boys are three days apart.

1104
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: That's right. I think are for that to be the case.

1105
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: Our oldest girls will retain it more than any of

1106
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: the rest of them, and I hope they all will. Yeah,

1107
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: but I think they have such a deep relationship at

1108
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: this point it's fun to watch, Like it's one of

1109
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: my favorite relationships to watch blossom and grow super cool.

1110
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: You start though your kids, well family sizeas what are

1111
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: they gonna do?

1112
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: That's for them to decide. I've got zero, Like I

1113
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: am trying to hold that.

1114
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: So if you're making a prediction, if you like older,

1115
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: their inclination, like the kind of person they are, what

1116
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: would they because I have like thoughts. I don't have

1117
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: things I want them to do. Like single tries to

1118
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: convince my oldest daughter to become president of the United States,

1119
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you probably don't want to do that.

1120
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: It's not a great gig.

1121
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: I mean, they've got their different strengths and weaknesses or not.

1122
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: I mean just the things that they're less interested in.

1123
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: But like, you've got one who's great at following the

1124
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: rules and being super orderly, one who just wants to

1125
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: sit there and read all day long. Another one who's

1126
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: incredibly physical and social, you know, like you like I

1127
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: truly try not to. I would love to have a

1128
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: big family. I never grew up around a whole lot

1129
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: of people, like when it came to the size of

1130
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: our families, and that was I never thought i'd have

1131
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 2: more than a couple kids. But then Kate and I

1132
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: got married and she just had one brother as well,

1133
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: and we both are like, you know what, I think

1134
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a lot of kids. I like the

1135
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: idea of sort of like what you were saying earlier,

1136
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 2: being a grandparent. That's totally something I have hopes and ambitions,

1137
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: Like I don't want to say ambition, because it's like,

1138
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: how do you How are you ambitious about becoming a grandparent.

1139
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: It's certainly a hope and yeah, hopefully that's something I'll

1140
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 2: get to see someday.

1141
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have career predictions except for

1142
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: from my oldest sens. It's mostly because she's said this already.

1143
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: She's eleven, but she's like, I want to be like

1144
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: a doula. She loves oh babies, Yeah, she wants to

1145
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: she does. She's so good with her Grandma was a

1146
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: neonatal nurse, and so I think there's this sort of

1147
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: attachment there to like childbirth, and she's just obsessed with babies. So,

1148
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: uh yeah, do I think she'll have a lot of kids?

1149
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: I do. And I think my son will probably also

1150
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: have a lot of kids too. He just sensitive boy

1151
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: and he likes he likes, uh, he likes babies too.

1152
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: So my middle child, I don't know, Like she's the

1153
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: wild card. Like what she gonna end up doing, It's

1154
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: probably gonna be something epic. She might be like, probably

1155
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: something you were not at all expecially, probably be like

1156
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: a red bull athlete or something like that, like diving

1157
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: from space or something. It's gonna be neat, it's gonna

1158
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: be fun to watch. It's it's highly unpredictable. But uh yeah,

1159
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, like you a lot of grand kids.

1160
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we're gonna keep moving, uh and you

1161
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna take a quick break. But then

1162
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: after that maybe we'll speed it up. We'll just kind

1163
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: of do like a rapid fire and we'll give some

1164
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: shorter answers. Well, it's all that right after this.

1165
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: All right, we're back, let's hit up some more listener questions,

1166
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: the ladys land this plane. Yeah, and then we'll talk

1167
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: briefly about sabbatical plants. All right, So Kat says, what

1168
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: beer types did you have to learn to appreciate? Oh?

1169
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: Almost all of them, really, I think. No, like the

1170
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 2: darker beers, the kind of darker maultiers, I would say,

1171
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: I pas for sure. I remember the first I PA

1172
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: I had. I remember my buddy Dan, he was just like, oh,

1173
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: I pas are an acquired taste. I remember that then,

1174
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: and I certainly get that. But yeah, I think fruited

1175
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: beers for me.

1176
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: I remember the first beer I had was like a

1177
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: blueberry beer, and I was like, this is terrible and

1178
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: this must be what only like sweawater blue? Was that

1179
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: your girls with their pinky out drink or something like that?

1180
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, sweetwater Blue, I think it was it.

1181
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: And then it turns out fruited beers are my all

1182
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: time favorite style of beer. So fruited beers or fruited sound,

1183
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: fruited sours, okay. But I just assumed anything with fruit

1184
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: in it was not for me, okay, And then I

1185
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: had to realize, wait, there's some highly crafted beer just

1186
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: fruit that.

1187
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: There's a different I'm the first time I ever had

1188
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: what is it New Belgium's la Fully, which is a

1189
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: brown sour, I remember thinking, wow, only one other time

1190
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 2: in my life have I had a beer where I said, Ooh,

1191
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I like this, And then eventually

1192
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: it became an entire category of beer that I enjoyed.

1193
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: Similarly when it came to sours in that way where

1194
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: the first time I had it, I'm like, this isn't right.

1195
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: This does not taste like they that they brewed it properly.

1196
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: But then you get to know the nuances in the

1197
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: funk and all the other flavors going on there that yeah,

1198
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: it's certainly a style that I love.

1199
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Now, all right, Adrian says, what Guinness World record do

1200
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: you think each of you could break? I've got no idea,

1201
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to say.

1202
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: It takes too much of an extreme dedication to one

1203
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: single thing, and I hate that extreme nature of the

1204
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: Guinness Book of I'm just looking to be like a

1205
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 2: very awesome, normal dude, seriously, Like that's my It's like

1206
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: one of my goals in life is to not pursue something.

1207
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: To the extreme. I felt the need to come up

1208
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: with an answer. Okay, So I said, most time spent

1209
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: talking without taking a breath, so I can just talk

1210
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: and talk and talk and talk and talk and just

1211
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: keep talking. And my mom used to tell me growing

1212
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: up that I could just talk to a wall, and

1213
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: I think that might still be accurate. But I don't know.

1214
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: They're not interesting. They don't really talk back.

1215
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: So all right, here's the one that leans towards your

1216
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 2: strengths from Aaron. If you played each other one on

1217
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: one in basketball, what would be each of your go

1218
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: to moves and what would you guess the final score

1219
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: would be? Joel, I'm going to completely hand the game

1220
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: over to you, not because of your height, but that helps.

1221
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: It's I don't it doesn't hurt. But there's some shorter

1222
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: great basketball players out there, not like short as I

1223
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: like under six foot.

1224
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll spud web back in the day,

1225
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: he was like a man. He could or springy legs. Yeah.

1226
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: See that gives me hope because I'm like, I'll over

1227
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: do the cream of cream. I build your bar sky

1228
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: hook and that would be my go to move and

1229
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: I think I would win ten to seven because you're

1230
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: you're pretty scrappy. Ten to seven. You're quicker than me.

1231
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: What's the regulation one on one basketball game? Normally basketball

1232
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: games are like in the seventies or eighties or nineties.

1233
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Are playing that long time? Oh? Okay, Now when you're

1234
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: playing one on one, it's like to ten or something

1235
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: like that. All right, Jeffrey says, I actually do want

1236
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: to know what Matt's hair routine is. I had just

1237
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: started growing my hair longer, and I gotta know, am

1238
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: I a genius? By the way to wear the same

1239
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: shirt and joggers all week if it stays clean. Both

1240
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: of these are questions for you. My fine, oh my gosh, okay,

1241
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: So the okay, the secret to letting your hair grow

1242
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: long is are the the soccer hair bands like that.

1243
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: It's like the skinny band that you put in your

1244
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: hair because you need to be able to pull up

1245
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: back when you're when when you're being a bit more

1246
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 1: active to where the hair is not getting like fallen

1247
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: in your eyes. And then in addition to that, in

1248
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: the winter, rock the beanie, like you put the hair

1249
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: back in there. That way you're able to keep it

1250
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: out of your face. That's how you grow it long

1251
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: before like you were able to grow up a pony taip, okay,

1252
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: but with shorter hair. What do you plue that yellow

1253
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: tube shorts cough or something like?

1254
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: Okay, extreme hold named after a former US military general, right,

1255
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that's okay? No, I think it's like

1256
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: a German that was like that was a military American

1257
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: military general. I haven't doven. I haven't entered my World

1258
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: War two erage, okay, So okay, I got into the meats.

1259
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: This is this is all. So you question wearing the

1260
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: same stuff all week. If it stays clean, that's something

1261
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: you do. No. If it touches your skin, you got to.

1262
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: You gotta change it out every day. You wear the

1263
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: same shirt sometimes a few days in a row. Right, No,

1264
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I just have the same not T shirt. All wear

1265
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: the same xterior shirt. Okay.

1266
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: If it touches your skin, socks, underwear, undershirts, those only

1267
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 2: last a day. But conversations I have with my kids

1268
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: on a semi regular basis because they haven't learned doing

1269
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: too much longer, they haven't earn the rules yet. Yeah,

1270
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: if it's touching your skin, man, if it's touching the

1271
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: pits or the booty, you gotta man, they're that thing

1272
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: in the hamper, but over shirts, especially in the winter,

1273
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: you can you can rock that all week long.

1274
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: Man, I I literally do that all week long. All right,

1275
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: Cindy says, what is each of your favorite non financial podcasts? Oh?

1276
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: So you know Huberman's at one of the that's not

1277
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 2: the time figure, that's the physical fitness side of things.

1278
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: What about you? I like, I'm very interested in politics,

1279
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: although highly annoyed by politics as well, especially I mean,

1280
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: who's not right at the like the last decade? Right?

1281
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: But I would say Ezra Kline from the New York

1282
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: Times and Reason the reason around table, Yeah, because I'm

1283
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 1: getting like two different sides of the same same coin.

1284
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: I love hearing different takes, and I think both of

1285
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: them have a lot of like wisdom and intelligence. I'm

1286
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: surprised you didn't say the Fifth Column boys. I like

1287
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: those guys too. They're great. That's more I mean, that's politics,

1288
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: but it's also little culture.

1289
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough around the edges on the opposite side of

1290
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 2: the spectrum when it comes.

1291
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: What about honestly with Barry Weiss listen to that. I

1292
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: love I think they do so. She does such a

1293
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: great job. And just the free press.

1294
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, I'm such a huge fan that on the

1295
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: spiritual side of things. For the past several months, I've

1296
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 2: been listening to Mocking Cast.

1297
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't know it. You never heard the Mocking Cast?

1298
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I do, only I don't know them well

1299
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: enough to be able to share their name, like R

1300
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: Jay Sa. So there's three. There are three believers and

1301
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: they just sit down and they talk about faith, how

1302
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: it's intersecting with like daily life, but they talk.

1303
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: About how hard it is to be a Christian. Yeah,

1304
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 2: and I'll dude, you would totally love it. I can't

1305
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: believe we haven't talked about it. Yeah, it's something I'm prosed.

1306
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm mostly listening to audiobooks, by the way these days,

1307
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: so I listen to some podcasts and I like so.

1308
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: But if I'm listening to, which I haven't been doing lately,

1309
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: let's listen to an audio. But what do you listen?

1310
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh wait, so you're reading Lord of the Right. Yeah,

1311
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: so are you gonna go straight through? By the way,

1312
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: I'll probably break it up, probably break it up. But

1313
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 2: part of it's just because when is it going to

1314
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: become available next? And I haven't true playing it out perfectly.

1315
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: Listen to something else, but then you. I want you

1316
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 2: to kind of power through it though, Yeah, because just

1317
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: to be able to tie it all together. So good,

1318
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 2: it's good stuff. I'm looking forward to being able to

1319
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: read that with the kids, which I still feel that

1320
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 2: we're a little ways from all right, this is a

1321
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: quick one. Jana says, diagonal or straight cuts for your

1322
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 2: grilled cheese. I feel like there's only one answer when

1323
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: tomato soup is involved, diagonal all the way. I mean,

1324
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: it's just like slam dunk question. Right, we're not communists,

1325
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,959
Speaker 2: so yeah, right? Who cuts it straight down the middle?

1326
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: All right? Anonymous or reached out and said, if you

1327
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: if you asked chat chept to roast you, what would

1328
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: it say? And this is something you can go do

1329
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: for yourself. So I don't want to read all these

1330
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: but I did go into chatcheapt and said, hey, will

1331
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: you roast Matt and Joel from out of money? What

1332
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: was your You wrote a couple down? What are you

1333
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: some of your vails? I, speaking of hair, says Joel's

1334
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: hair looks like he's been saving on haircuts since two

1335
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: thousand nin and Matt the guy could probably build a

1336
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: DIY bunk bed with nothing but a promo code and

1337
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: a craft beer bottle. I mean, it's just like and

1338
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: he's a speaking of which I haven't heard two people

1339
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: mentioned craft beer so much outside of a Portland tattoo parlor.

1340
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: So chatchy pet knows us. And then also you could

1341
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: it says like at the bottom was like, do you

1342
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: want to make it spicier? And so I did and

1343
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: it just gets more off the rails. But it's it's funny.

1344
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I just it's I never used chatchipt until I mean,

1345
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: I've used it like five times. So going in there

1346
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: this question prompted me to check out what's going on

1347
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: with AI, even though I mostly avoid itys.

1348
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how things play out. Man

1349
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: Eric wrote, what is your biggest non financial regret?

1350
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: Joel? Do you have regrets dude? Or you like me,

1351
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: no regrets? That's yeah. I think everyone has something that

1352
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: if they could go back because and largely because maybe

1353
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: it's led to hurting somebody that they love. Right, it's like, oh,

1354
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: what I wish I would have been more thoughtful about that.

1355
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: That's that's tip. That would be like a regret that

1356
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: I would say, But.

1357
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 2: Can't you take like the Judo move and like use

1358
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 2: the momentum of that bad decision to make you like,

1359
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: aren't you a better person because of what like your

1360
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 2: past and maybe mistakes or missteps because.

1361
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: I think about that, I think so. I think so.

1362
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: But there are probably ways I could have learned more

1363
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: quickly and not, let you know, been such an idiot

1364
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: for so long. But that's a really hard question to

1365
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: here's a faster learning yeah exactly, which I think I

1366
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: do learn faster now than I did over like the

1367
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: last fifteen years. But yeah, I don't know, so I

1368
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: guess I will. I will leave it at that. There

1369
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: are probably things I wish I would have There are

1370
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: certainly things I wish I would have learned more quickly,

1371
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: and in particular how they led to hurt feelings or

1372
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: they led to disrepair or dysregulation in relationships. And I've

1373
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: learned a lot in the past few years. And I

1374
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing I've learned, Matt, is to take

1375
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: more responsibility from my actions and to approach the people

1376
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: I love with more humility, and that allows me to

1377
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: learn a lot more quickly than I used to. Very nice.

1378
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing that, dude. Do you should we

1379
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: round out with a couple more here or should we

1380
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: just jump to the end. Do let's do last one? Okay,

1381
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: Samantha says, do you consider yourself happy? Do you consider

1382
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: yourself lucky? I would say yes to both. What about

1383
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: you for sure both? Yeah?

1384
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly lucky happen. Happiness feels like a very

1385
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: shallow kind of like do you have joy? I don't

1386
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: know that that kind of I agree that what's my

1387
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 2: appetite for some like the bigger kind of conversations that

1388
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 2: I like to get into happiness that's dependent on the weather.

1389
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we kind of leftovers I'm bringing into.

1390
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: The office that I that I get to enjoy as

1391
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: opposed to like more of the deep seated, solid to

1392
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: the core kind of foundational aspects of joy.

1393
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I'm more interested. And it's interesting. I think

1394
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: contrary to the modern conception of happiness, deep joy is

1395
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: often found through self sacrifice and service. Yeah, and the

1396
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: deep love and care for other people more than you

1397
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: care for yourself. And I think that's something that in

1398
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: many ways we've maybe like lost as a culture, not

1399
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: not wholly, but in many ways we have or it

1400
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: is more looking out for number one and if you

1401
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: if you want, yes, if you want to encounter more

1402
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: of that joy than I think it is going to

1403
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: involve a certain amount of letting down, putting aside which

1404
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: you care about the most, and in favor of watching

1405
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: other people and helping other people in your life succeed. Yea,

1406
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, that I think that's where I found a

1407
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: lot of joy. Yeah, No, I totally recent years, I

1408
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: totally agree.

1409
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: And isn't that so much a part of parenting? And

1410
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that scares me the most

1411
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: about the trend that we see our culture going in.

1412
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: When when when there are fewer folks who are at

1413
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 2: all interested in having kids or having fewer kids, because

1414
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: what are you oftentimes instead looking at you're looking at

1415
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: yourself and like the things that you think are going

1416
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: to make you happy and some of the different goals

1417
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,959
Speaker 2: that you have as an individual as opposed to finding

1418
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: ways to help children, in particular to be able to

1419
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: do that, by the way, without having kids, and a

1420
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: lot of people out there percent I have kids, right,

1421
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm not at all being like the single cat lady,

1422
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: Like that's not the line that I'm that I'm at

1423
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 2: all spouting, but it is I think an outcome of

1424
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: folks who maybe aren't self examining it. If you've done

1425
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: the work and you're just like, you know what, like

1426
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: kids aren't for me, that's totally valid, Like please hear

1427
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 2: me saying that, But I think it's for the folks

1428
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: who are just like.

1429
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to do that.

1430
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: That sounds hard, or then I'm not going to be

1431
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 2: able to do this, And this sounds sounds like fun.

1432
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: The ability to see somebody grow up and for them

1433
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: to realize they're for full potential and the self sacrifice

1434
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: that goes into that, and then ultimately the joy that

1435
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: comes out of seeing someone like your kids develop into

1436
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: who they're meant to be. That sounds incredible.

1437
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: Thinking of that Ryan Holliday quote where the obstacle is

1438
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: the way and it's like, man, the greatest growth that's

1439
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: happened in my life have been through the times of

1440
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: greatest self sacrifice and greatest suffering, and so happiness, like

1441
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: day to day happiness is not improved because of the

1442
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: suffering significance that I've experienced, but my overall depth of

1443
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: joy and gladness in being human and who God has

1444
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: made me to be has grown significantly. Because of that,

1445
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I love it, man.

1446
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: And before we let folks know what to expect for

1447
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: the rest of the summer, we cracked up another beer,

1448
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: which was a Trushirrant, which is a triple oatmeal Russian

1449
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: Imperial stout.

1450
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: Two good beers on today's show.

1451
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I meant, if you're gonna celebrate the thousandth episode,

1452
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a little bit of both. This is

1453
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: a tiny little can, eight point four or five ounces.

1454
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: It's like the size of a what is it? Is

1455
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: this the size of like the original Red Bull's like

1456
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: half a Red Bull. It's like so small, empty and tiny,

1457
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: but man punched a whole lot of flavor. It was

1458
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: punched above its weight class.

1459
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say that for sure. Okay, let me ask

1460
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: you a question then, So as listeners know from listening

1461
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: to the episode this past Friday, we're gonna take a

1462
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: little bit of time off. That's right. We're gonna come

1463
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: back with a vengeance in early August and can't wait

1464
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: to come back, but we're gonna enjoy the crap out

1465
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: of like a significant extended break here. Yes, what are

1466
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: you most excited about for this time? For you and

1467
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: for your family?

1468
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: I I think for me, one of the things from

1469
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: a logistics standpoint, I remember talking. I can't I think

1470
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 2: it was either it was either Jillian maybe those Katie North,

1471
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: but they just talked about being able to do things

1472
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: with that time that you otherwise would not be able

1473
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: to because you're taking a longer period of time off.

1474
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: And so for us, we've never taken the longer road trip.

1475
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 2: And so and I know folks have been listening to

1476
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: the Airbnb ads and talking about this East Coast road trip,

1477
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: like we are for real actually doing this thing.

1478
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: You didn't just make it up for me.

1479
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: And we've gotten more and more into the planning aspect

1480
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: of it, and it just gets me more and more

1481
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 2: excited about all the things that we're going to be

1482
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: able to experience together as a family, what we're going

1483
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 2: to be able to learn, like the exploration and taking

1484
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 2: kids to these new places. And I'm really excited about that.

1485
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: But so that's just kind of like a but that's

1486
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: more like vacation, right, Like that's the thing, Like we're

1487
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 2: calling this kind of a sabbatical. But according to the

1488
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 2: definition of everyone we've talked to, sabbaticals like oftentimes it's closed,

1489
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: it's like three to six plus months sometimes, Well I

1490
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean I think six weeks eight weeks

1491
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: is considered sabbatical for a lot of people. Yeah, and

1492
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: that's sometimes what most people. But the real question is,

1493
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 2: folks are wondering when are you recording this episode that

1494
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: you're currently speaking on.

1495
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: That's what folks don't exactly foreign advance, not to feign

1496
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: advance either. Yeah, what are you looking looking forward to most? Honestly? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kind of going back. You're excited about your trip, and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about some travel, but I think the thing

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Speaker 1: I'm most excited about is kind of the slowing down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was like, literally having this conversation with

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Speaker 1: someone earlier this morning, just how mundane life can be

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Speaker 1: and leaning into experiencing the joy in the mundane garbage time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the It's the thing that when you are

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Speaker 1: in a hurry, you wish you didn't have it, But

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Speaker 1: when you wish away all the things, all the prickliness,

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Speaker 1: like all the sharper edges of life, there's nothing left

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Speaker 1: to grab onto.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so like we need some of that.

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Speaker 2: I think we need more of that in our lives

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Speaker 2: than we think we do and oftentimes more margin, more chill,

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Speaker 2: more margin, more chill, more space.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm gonna lean into it and

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Speaker 1: I love that just some time alone and which again

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Speaker 1: does not come naturally to me, but I am trying

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Speaker 1: to like cultivate that in my life to I think

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Speaker 1: it's important enjoy and be comfortable with that. So uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have long chats with friends and had long

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Speaker 1: chats with that. I have a lot of things on

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Speaker 1: my to do list that don't look super sexy or spectacular.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. Yeah, It's all about. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm pumped about.

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Speaker 2: So all right, Yeah, this has officially been the longest

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Speaker 2: episode I'm sure that we have ever recorded, and I

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Speaker 2: don't even know should we even finish out with a

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Speaker 2: beer review. Let's just let folks and know we can

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Speaker 2: say they were great. They were fantastic, so good you

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Speaker 2: don't necessarily need to hear us talk on and on

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Speaker 2: about it, but just to know that this was a

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Speaker 2: part of our conversation today, that we were both sitting

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Speaker 2: here as two dudes who are sitting here who love

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Speaker 2: each other, who are also enjoying some delicious beverages.

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Speaker 1: Like we have and truly we love you too. We

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Speaker 1: have so much gratitude for you, even though for most

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Speaker 1: of you we don't know you, although we've gotten to

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Speaker 1: know some listeners, even got on runs with some listeners.

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Speaker 1: But if we also if we took your question on

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Speaker 1: today's show, reach out to us how to moneypot at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com, we'll send you a pair of how

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Speaker 1: to money socks. Thank you for participating. They are the

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Speaker 1: greatest socks in the history of the world, in the

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Speaker 1: history of socks, and we're going to enjoy the heck

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Speaker 1: out of this break and then we can't wait to

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Speaker 1: come back and.

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Speaker 2: Some besties though up, so we'll have the content for you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we will record some intros on a couple.

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Speaker 1: Especially, by the way, if you're in those newer ish

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Speaker 1: listener it's not like we pull these things out of

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Speaker 1: the dungeon. There's still like lots of good relevant money

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Speaker 1: advice in those episodes. So if you're like whether you

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Speaker 1: just missed the sound of our voices or if you're

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Speaker 1: new and you're like, I haven't heard that before, pretty

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: sure that's not the case the sound of our voices,

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Speaker 1: But enjoy those while we're gone and we can't wait

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Speaker 1: to come back in early August. We'll see then. Well

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Speaker 1: all right, so buddy, until next time, best friends out,

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Speaker 1: Best friends Out,