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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, January twenty third, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where

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Speaker 1: we didn't think of a clever opening in time. It's

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Speaker 1: me and your man, nam G Marcus Grand joined by

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Speaker 1: Michael f Florio and LaQuan Jones and FLOORA.

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Speaker 2: Let's just let's just get it out of the way now,

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Speaker 2: man or yours.

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Speaker 1: You know, I believe I'm I'm opening the floor to

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Speaker 1: you please, you know, get out whatever feelings you have

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: So I was talking with Kwan before the show, and

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Speaker 3: I say, I allow myself a day every year after

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Speaker 3: they lose to kind of be sad. Most of my

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Speaker 3: timeline yesterday was about the Bills. Now I kind of

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Speaker 3: move forward, but I have one thing, like, like, I'm

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Speaker 3: a Bills fan. You guys know that I would almost

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Speaker 3: call myself a Josh Allen fan first because I think

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Speaker 3: he is that good and that amazing.

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Speaker 4: So I want my only beef is.

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Speaker 3: With this narrative that he's not good or he's Philip

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Speaker 2: Who said that? See, I didn't think the philip Rivers

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Speaker 3: I saw a lot of people in the last four

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Speaker 3: years where the Bills have lost in the playoffs, three

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Speaker 3: of them have been to the Chiefs. One of them

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Speaker 3: has been to the Bengals. They have sacked the quarterback

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Speaker 3: one time in four games. They have allowed the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: to average thirty six points per game. They've never had

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Speaker 3: a turnover on Mahomes. They've never sacked Patrick Mahomes any

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Speaker 3: other quarterback. In that situation, when you have a defensive

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Speaker 3: up a defense, most quarterbacks lose those games by two touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that Allen has been beat bad one

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Speaker 3: time in four years or through in the last three years,

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Speaker 3: to me, I think that kind of speaks to how

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Speaker 4: Team in games.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think the narrative should be is Josh

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Speaker 4: So that is my look.

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Speaker 3: You want to beat up on McDermott and the defense

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Speaker 3: and all of that, I'm right there with you. The

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Speaker 3: one player who showed up this week, it wasn't fourteen,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't ninety one, it was seventeen. And that's how

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Speaker 3: it's continued to be each of the year in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: So ed, look, Marcus, we make fun of other bad

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Speaker 3: quarterback narratives all the time. I think this just joins

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Speaker 3: the list that the Lamar narrative last off season was terrible,

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Speaker 1: I think one it's a product of we somehow have

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Speaker 1: to have every game be a referendum on a quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: Like who's leg I saw a tweet just now like

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Speaker 1: whose legacy is most at stake this weekend? Right? It

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Speaker 1: had like all four of the quarterbacks, which I'm like,

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Speaker 1: nobody's really thinking about their legacies at this point.

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Speaker 2: But I think that's that's part of what this is.

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Speaker 1: Right, So, like team wins or loses a game and

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Speaker 1: suddenly it becomes a plant the flag moment about who

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Speaker 1: I My take on Josh Allen is that he is

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Speaker 1: sort of to to you know, mixed metaphors changed sports.

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Speaker 2: He's he's like nineties Charles Barkley.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, he's a guy who is an incredible athlete,

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Speaker 1: an incredible player, will do a lot to help his team.

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Speaker 1: Barkley kept running into Michael Jordan, you know, And and

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Speaker 1: that I think is sort of where Josh Allen is.

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Speaker 1: Where you watch him play, and yeah, he's he will

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Speaker 1: occasionally throw some interceptions that you know, make you want

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Speaker 2: All he didn't turn the ball over in the postseason, no.

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Speaker 3: Turnovers, seventy completion percentage in the playoffs this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So occasionally he'll make some head scratching plays, but

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Speaker 1: you know, more often than that, he's going to do

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Speaker 2: To win a ballgame for you.

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Speaker 1: The problem has been he is running up on the

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Speaker 2: Greatest quarterback in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: That's the The problem is that you know, I don't know, uh,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen needs needs Patrick Mahomes to go play minor

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Speaker 3: I agree, but I also like to take it a

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Speaker 3: To me, I'm not gonna pull a Sean O'Hara and

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Speaker 3: it's a go ahead touchdown in under two minutes. So like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I just think the narrative is really

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Speaker 3: blaming is not wearing seventeen. I think it's the head coach.

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Speaker 3: But like, where was Stefan Diggs in this stretch? You know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's the biggest issue with him though,

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Speaker 5: Owned four Josh Allen's own four and the deep balls,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So Diggs had to drop sherefield, had one

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Speaker 1: what it's going to be. We'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about this game in a little bit. We have plenty

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Speaker 1: going to break down the visional weekend, maybe ask some

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Speaker 1: some Bears, and of course to do that we stayed

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Speaker 1: in house. We need to go to our pal Adam Rank,

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Speaker 1: so he'll stop by and he'll talk about the Bears

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Speaker 1: what he thinks should happen within fields. The coaching change

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Speaker 1: that was Shane Waldron at offensive coordinator. That and Plincy

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Speaker 2: Wanted to talk about the Tennessee Titans have any new

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Speaker 1: It is former Bengals offensive coordinator Brian Callahan and Lakwan.

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Speaker 1: We said here before the show, we were all sort of.

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Speaker 2: Confused by the move and I think.

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Speaker 1: More confused by the timing of the move. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you had so many options out there, and

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Speaker 5: I think he's coming in because he's been around some

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Speaker 5: amazing quarterbacks. I mean he's been around Payton Manning, Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 5: you know, with Tennessee, hopefully he can get will Levis

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Speaker 5: Joe Burrows to Matthew Stafford to quarterbacks he's been around.

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Speaker 5: I think this is more so of like they're focusing

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Speaker 3: The thing too, though, is like he's been around good quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: but like Joe Burrow isn't going to be playing back

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Speaker 5: He also didn't call the plays either, so that too,

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Speaker 5: That's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in my opinion, and I could be wrong here,

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Speaker 3: but hiring a first time head coach who has never

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Speaker 3: like his entire coaching tenure, he has helped build game

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Speaker 3: plans before. That's what he did in Cincinnati. Maybe he

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Speaker 3: it seems like a big risk. And again, no disrespect

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Speaker 3: to Callahan. He could prove us wrong and everything, but

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Speaker 3: it's an especially weird move given how much talent is

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Speaker 3: think potentially what Jake Browning did was what pushed him over,

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Speaker 4: Then I think maybe you're cooking with some fire.

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Speaker 1: If they don't make any serious upgrades to this wide

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I look, I don't want to make it

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs at all. So no, I definitely think

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00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,199
Speaker 1: that the the Texans are ahead of schedule, and so

438
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: this ends up being a valuable, valuable learning experience for

439
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 1: Houston and everybody there in that building. Niners a twenty

440
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 1: four to twenty one win over the Green Bay Packers.

441
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: Green Bay made life hell for San Francisco for three

442
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 1: and a half quarters and Rock Purty figured it out

443
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: at the right time to try it to lead a

444
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,120
Speaker 1: game winning touchdown drive and the Niners survive in advance.

445
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you, Lakwan, because I know that you

446
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 1: on the Socials just did a video about this.

447
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, sort out the Packers.

448
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 1: Yes, you did, sat the Packers wide receiver for receivers

449
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: for Fantasy next year.

450
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 5: How I look at it like really folding out as

451
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 5: Romeo Dobbs, Jayden Reid will be the one A, one B.

452
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 5: So obviously you'll see Reid go off the board first.

453
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 5: But Dobbs was very reliable for you know, Jordan Love.

454
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 5: He led them in targets. I know everybody's probably wondering

455
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 5: where Christian Watson is and I'm wondering the same. I mean, honestly,

456
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 5: availability is.

457
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 2: Your best ability.

458
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 5: That's where I really like try to stand on, especially

459
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 5: when it comes to wide receivers that are coming in

460
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 5: with hype trains. You know, the great talent. There's nothing

461
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 5: wrong with his talent. It's just like we need to

462
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 5: see him on the field and build this chemistry with

463
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 5: Jordan Love. Need to see him on this field and

464
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 5: stay healthy as well. So when you talk to me

465
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 5: about package wide receivers, I need, you know, the Wisconsin

466
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 5: Deebo Samuel, I need Jalen Reid, you know, and I

467
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 5: can be safe with a low end wide receiver too

468
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 5: with Romeo Dobbs, so Christian Watson, he's going to go

469
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 5: off the board and he's probably going to go off

470
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 5: the boarder you know before Dobbs.

471
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

472
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 5: Huh yeah, I think it is because he had he

473
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 5: gives me Gabe Davis vibes. I mean, I hate saying

474
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 5: the blanket statement like that, but he's given me you

475
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 5: know where, like he has the talent to do X,

476
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 5: Y and Z, but there's just some games where he

477
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 5: does not show up.

478
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: Jeeve Davis five like, so this is where we are now, right.

479
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: Gave Davis Vibes makes.

480
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: Me a little bit queasy because a couple of years ago,

481
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: after he had that big game in the playoffs against

482
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, I was the okay, look, if you're drafting

483
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 1: him as like a third wide receiver, I think he's

484
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: gonna be good enough for you, and he really really wasn't.

485
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: Now I'm at the point where it's like I hear

486
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis vibes, and I just think of all the

487
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: times that you put him in your lineup and you

488
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: get nothing or next to nothing donuts.

489
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Speaker 3: I think I think Christian Watson is a good chunk

490
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: better than Gabe Davis. I think Gave Davis is purely

491
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: boom or bust down the field, and I understand that

492
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 3: that's Christian Watson's best skill set is that he's very

493
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 3: explosive and can win downfield. I think he just does

494
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 3: the other like I think he's a better route runner

495
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: than Gabe Davis. I think he's a better hands than

496
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: Gave Davis. But I do agree with Lakwan's point, availability

497
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 3: is the best ability. And I'm always the injury prone

498
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: is like extremely overrated and it gets thrown around and such.

499
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 3: But my the caveat I always say to that is

500
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: like unless it's a recurring injury. And two years in

501
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 3: the NFL, two years that have been hampered by hamstring

502
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 3: injuries for Christian Watson, so I do that it is

503
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 3: very concerning. I do think Watson, though, when healthy, is

504
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 3: better than Romeo Dobbs and will be utilized more. But

505
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 3: to me, and I was saying it coming into this year,

506
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: like I want Jayden Reid most at costs, but next

507
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: year I think it should just be you want him most,

508
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 3: even if you have to pay the highest cost to

509
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: get him, because I do think he is their best

510
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: wad Like as a rookie, he came in and outperformed

511
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs. They drafted him second round when they knew

512
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: what they had in Romeo Dobbs on the roster already

513
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: and Jayden Reid. The reason we were so excited for

514
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: him is how dynamic he is as a player, and

515
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 3: we saw them utilize that more and more as the

516
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 3: season went on. So another year with him comfortable in

517
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 3: this system and in this league, and with Jordan Love

518
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 3: having a command of this offense like he did down

519
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 3: the stretch, I'm very, very excited for Jayden Reid. I

520
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 3: think Romeo Dobbs is a solid wide receiver. I think

521
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 3: Wix is a solid wide receiver. I think Watson has

522
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: high upside but is very volatile. This is a very

523
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: fun young wide receiving core. But I think Jayden Reid

524
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: is head and shoulders the best one in my opinion.

525
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: Are any of them better though than a low end

526
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: wide receiver two and not because of talent, just because

527
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: of numbers.

528
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 5: The numbers I was going to say, the volume, it's

529
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 5: going to be spread out, that's why you had the

530
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 5: extra risk risk for Christian wattson drafting him because you

531
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 5: have already this, you know, piled up on him, the injury,

532
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 5: his lack of chemistry with Jordan Love. Because Jordan Love

533
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 5: passer rating was sixty nine point eight. That's not good

534
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 5: when you're targeting Christian Watson. And Jordan Love had thirteen

535
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 5: total interceptions including the playoffs, and six of those were

536
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 5: going to Christian Watson. So it could be a timing thing.

537
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 5: It could be you know, he's running.

538
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: The wrong routes. It could be multiple things.

539
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 5: But whatever it is, this is the information we have

540
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 5: right now and going into next season. I can't see

541
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 5: myself drafting him as the first packer you know, the board,

542
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 5: thinking he's going to be the number one. We need

543
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 5: to see it first, We need to see flash of

544
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 5: him being the true alpha of this offense.

545
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: To that point, I think it's like it's a community thing,

546
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: but like a fantasy community thing.

547
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: At least, like.

548
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: Jayden Reid is going to have shorter targets, which means

549
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 3: he's gonna have a higher catch rate. He's gonna pick

550
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 3: up more catches he's probably gonna get, you know, be

551
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: the much more consistent option. It's the way that certain like, yeah,

552
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: Christian Watson at the end of the year could have

553
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: better numbers, but it's gonna be like because the way

554
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: they're utilizing him, if it's much harder to connect on

555
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: a fifty yard pass, you know. So, and those stats

556
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 3: that LaQuan said with Jordan Love blew my mind. I

557
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: had not realized that those two had had so much

558
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: chemistry issues, but uh.

559
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah I could.

560
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: I could see Jayden Reid finishing higher than a low

561
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: end wide receiver two, but I wouldn't want to draft

562
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: him as one.

563
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: If that makes sense. Yeah, no, I mean it does.

564
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: I know supplies in every player, but I really do

565
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: think ADP is going to have a big big impact

566
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: on how I feel about the pack wide receivers because

567
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be very hard to

568
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: figure from week to week next year which guy is

569
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy. One last game Lions and Buccaneers

570
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Detroit a thirty one to twenty three winner over Tampa Bay.

571
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: And you know, who knows what's gonna happen with Mike

572
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: Evans next year. I know the Bucks have said they

573
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: want him back. No surprise. I would think that he

574
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind coming back considering all the success he's had there.

575
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: But want to talk about Rashad White, because Florida, I

576
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: know you were. You were not on the Rashad White

577
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: hype train early in the season for a good reason.

578
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: He was not playing all that well, but then picked

579
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: it up midway through the year and looked very productive

580
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: down the stretch.

581
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: So having seen that, what is your outlook for Rashad

582
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: White next year?

583
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 3: It's gonna depend on a lot of stuff. Like you

584
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: were saying, is Baker Mayfield back? Is Dave Kanal is

585
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: back because he is in demand right now as potentially

586
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 3: could get another gig somewhere head coaching gigs. So I

587
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: think a lot still to be determined. But I'll tell

588
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: you right now, I know he finishes an RB one.

589
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: I there is zero percent chance I'm going to pay

590
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: an RB one price because the running efficiency is poor

591
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: and I know Austin Eckler did it for years, where like, Okay,

592
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: you can be more of a receiving back, but you

593
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: need high touch like you need high volume target share there,

594
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: you need touchdown opportunities and such like that. So I

595
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: think his room for error is a lot less because

596
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: if the Bucks offense isn't as efficient or not thrown

597
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 3: to him as much, then then we're talking about him

598
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 3: what he was earlier in the year, which is an

599
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: RB three. So I think an RB two price is

600
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 3: the right point for Rashad White. But the fantasy community

601
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: loves him, and if he gets pulled up higher than that,

602
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: I will gladly sit out again.

603
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: I don't think I know your feelings on Rashad White, Lakwan,

604
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: where do you fall on him?

605
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 5: I mean, the fantasy streets are talking and is one

606
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 5: of the people they love. And way I'm approaching it,

607
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: if Baker's back, we back on Rashad White. That's just

608
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: how I'm looking at it. I mean, if if Baker's

609
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 5: not there, if Mike Evans is not there, of course

610
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: he's gonna, you know, really mess some things up, because,

611
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 5: like Floria is saying, I don't really care for him

612
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 5: as a runner. I mean, he almost cracked one K,

613
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 5: but he's not a fishing week the week as a runner,

614
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 5: So I want him more so with Baker because running

615
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 5: backs with Baker Mayfield they eat man. I mean like

616
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 5: they're at the averaging fifteen plus fantasy points per game

617
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 5: with Baker as the starter, and that's Nick Chubb, that's

618
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 5: Cam Makers, that's adding Rashad White there, and to the

619
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 5: mixture Christian McCaffrey the time he was there with the Panthers,

620
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: like he is going to be able to dump it

621
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 5: off with, you know, the running back. So I want

622
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: Rashadway as the route runner because no other running back round.

623
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 2: Ran more routes than him.

624
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: He was top five and yards per reception, so he's

625
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 5: maximizing those yards in open space. So that's just my feelings.

626
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 5: If Baker's back, we are back on Rashadway.

627
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, the Bucks figured out halfway through the

628
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: year that we can't run it, so we're just gonna

629
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: throw short passes and this is going to be our

630
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: running game. Also, very curious to see what they do

631
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: along the offensive line, if they can get some upgrades there,

632
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: because they struggled as a run blocking group and that

633
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: was part of why Rashad White was not super efficient.

634
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that it's all said and done,

635
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: Like we get through the spring and the summer and

636
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: we talked this out. I feel like the the ADP

637
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: will feel about right for Rashad White.

638
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe depending on what the fantasy streets do, but

639
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 5: we'll see what round.

640
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 4: Would you say is about right?

641
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: Five? I was gonna say four.

642
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm cool with that.

643
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 3: If he goes three late three, maybe it.

644
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: Depends what I'm doing one and two.

645
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: But four feels safe. All right, Let's start doing some

646
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 2: mock drafts.

647
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: They're gonna figure out where Rashad White goes in any

648
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: of those, but yeah, there is that's the look at

649
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: the divisional round. On Thursday, we will preview the championship games.

650
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: I do some DFS stuff there as well, But Doug gonna.

651
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: Take a quick break.

652
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Come back, We're gonna talk to Adam Rank about what

653
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears should do.

654
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: Do they move on from Justin fields? Is it all

655
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Speaker 2: Caleb all the time?

656
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Speaker 1: That's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

657
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Speaker 1: Well there are you know, obviously four teams still left playing,

658
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: but for everybody else, the attention has turned to the

659
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Speaker 1: off season and maybe one of the more intriguing off

660
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: seasons to come. We'll be with the Chicago Bears because

661
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: they've got the number one overall pick. They also have

662
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Speaker 1: another pick in the top ten, and so I figured

663
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Speaker 1: if we're going to talk about the Bears on this show.

664
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Speaker 1: There's only one person that we really wanted to call.

665
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Speaker 1: You know him from NFL Fantasy Live. You know him

666
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: from Good Morning Football. You know him from probably shortchanging

667
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: your team wins in his preseason predictions. It's because he

668
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: hates your team. But also you know him from the

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Speaker 1: Sick podcast with Adam Rank.

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Speaker 2: It is Adam Rank. What's up man, Hey guys, great

671
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Speaker 2: to see you.

672
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Speaker 6: It's been a couple of weeks since the fantasy season

673
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 6: and it it's funny because you know, we were in

674
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Speaker 6: our last week of the season. You know, We're in

675
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Speaker 6: the locker room there at the NFL Network and Greg Rosenthal,

676
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 6: who of course was a huge part of Rotal World

677
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 6: and the growth of that company, looked at me and

678
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 6: he's like, your season's just about over, isn't it. I'm like, yep,

679
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 6: you had the golden ticket, breag, but no, you wanted

680
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 6: to talk real football, So enjoy the month of January.

681
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: I'll be out golfing. Yeah I thought about that. I'm like, yeah, man,

682
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: like seasons over there. To remind myself, they're like, no,

683
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: seasons only over for us, not for everybody else who

684
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,479
Speaker 1: has to go through playoffs and super Bowl and all

685
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: that other kind of stuff we like check back in for,

686
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: like draft season, sure, free agency, that's kind of it.

687
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Speaker 6: I mean, as a Mars fan, I never have to

688
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 6: worry about the playoffs. So that's actually you know what's

689
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 6: funny is like everybody always talks about that because I

690
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 6: obviously root for the Angels too, They're like, done, it suck.

691
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know how much money I say by

692
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 6: my team not going to the playoffs?

693
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: Like I can't.

694
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 6: Imagine because my kids would want to go to the

695
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 6: games and I would take them and that would cost

696
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 6: thousands of dollars. I'm like, the Angels have actually cut

697
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 6: me a break over the last six years by not

698
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 6: making the playoffs, Like thank you.

699
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't. I couldn't spend that kind of cash anymore.

700
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Speaker 3: I strongly considered flying to Buffalo this past weekend.

701
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 4: I'm so happy.

702
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: Did oh you knew what was gonna happen. You're a

703
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: Bills guy, Come on, you know this. I thought you

704
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: were a Giants fan.

705
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 4: No, you know this.

706
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: You're Tommy Devita the whole time.

707
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: That's true. That is a jersey.

708
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Speaker 2: That's very confusing. Anyway, let's let's talk.

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Speaker 1: About the Bears, because they do have the number one pick,

710
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: and I guess the first question that everybody wants to

711
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: know is what happens with Justin Fields. You you know,

712
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: I know, you follow this team closely, you talk to

713
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: people kind of around them, your best guest.

714
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Speaker 2: Do the Bears move on from Justin Fields?

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Speaker 6: Well, this is a very interesting question because as somebody

716
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Speaker 6: who does a Bears podcast that you can find here

717
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 6: in all the available places, the Sick Podcast with Adam Rank,

718
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 6: we we would say the majority of fans want Justin

719
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Speaker 6: Fields to return because there is a you've You're emotionally.

720
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Speaker 2: Invested in him and his growth.

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Speaker 6: We've been defending him for a number of years now,

722
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 6: and coming out of Ohio State, he was the quarterback

723
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Speaker 6: that I wanted because obviously Trevor Lawrence was going number

724
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Speaker 6: one overall, but looking at those other quarterbacks, I'm like,

725
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 6: Justin Fields is playing at a high level for a

726
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 6: BCS team that's going to the playoffs. So he was

727
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 6: always the player that I wanted. So emotionally I'm attached

728
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Speaker 6: to Justin Fields. I will be a fan of his

729
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 6: forever unless he gets traded to Green Bay probably not

730
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Speaker 6: going to happen, so I think I will always be

731
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Speaker 6: a fan of his. But anytime that I talked to

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Speaker 6: a person, man or woman who either works for in

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Speaker 6: an NFL team, worked for an NFL team, or has

734
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 6: desires to work for an NFL team, they're all convinced

735
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 6: that Caleb Williams is the play the resetting the quarterback clock,

736
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 6: and so I understand the science behind that. I think

737
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 6: there's valid points on both sides of this, but I

738
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Speaker 6: think for the most part, it feels like from NFL people,

739
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 6: it feels like Caleb Williams eventually is going to be

740
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Speaker 6: the guy and they'll end up trading Justin fields. That's

741
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Speaker 6: not what I want. I would build around Justin fields.

742
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Speaker 6: But you know what, I'm not paid to make that decision.

743
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Speaker 1: Is it just is it just the idea of having

744
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: to pay him on a second contract. I mean, he

745
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: seemed to be progressing on the field, so I feel

746
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Speaker 1: like it's just it's got to be a financial thing

747
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: more than anything.

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Speaker 6: Everybody loves the reset the quarterback clock conversation. I think

749
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 6: too many people have played Madden growing up, and they

750
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 6: run fantasy football teams and they think they know how

751
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 6: to run an organization. But when you look at the

752
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 6: four teams from the NFC side that were in the

753
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 6: playoffs this season, there were four teams that did not

754
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 6: have elite quarterbacks. Like outside of Oshkosh, nobody believes that

755
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 6: Jordan Loves is an elite quarterback. I will tell you,

756
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 6: like they were like good quarterback, like good quarterback, Brock

757
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 6: Pertty's a good quarterback, Baker Mayfield's a good quarterback, but

758
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 6: none of them were Patrick Mahomes level elite, Josh Allen

759
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 6: level elite, anything like that. And you could even make

760
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 6: the conversation that is there anybody in the NFC who's

761
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Speaker 6: an elite level quarterback. I really love the idea of

762
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 6: roster building. And for me, when you look at Caleb

763
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Speaker 6: Williams and I think that he could be a great player,

764
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 6: this guy is going to end up costing you three

765
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 6: first round picks in that that's who you could probably

766
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 6: that's what you could probably fetch in a trade for him,

767
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 6: getting somebody to move up, and even going back down

768
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Speaker 6: and looking at the trade the Bears were able to

769
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Speaker 6: pull off last season for Bryce Young, I would suggest

770
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Speaker 6: that Caleb Williams is a much better prospect. People have

771
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Speaker 6: a higher grade on him. So if you could get somebody,

772
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Speaker 6: and I don't know, I don't want to throw teams

773
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Speaker 6: out there like the Raiders, for instance, where you're dropping

774
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 6: back down to seven, you get a couple of years

775
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 6: the first round picks, Like that's what you're giving up

776
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 6: to get Caleb Williams. So I know it's it's sort

777
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 6: of house money because it's Carolina's pick, but it also

778
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 6: is going to cost you three first round picks of

779
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Speaker 6: the future where you could build a sustained, a sustained

780
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Speaker 6: team for a number of years. And you know what,

781
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Speaker 6: Let's say that perhaps you know, Shane Waldron comes in

782
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 6: and Justin Fields ends up not being the guy. I

783
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 6: can't save one with pure certainty, but I think there

784
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 6: will be quarterbacks available in the draft in twenty twenty five,

785
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 6: but I cannot come from there.

786
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Speaker 5: So Rink, I just wanted to ask you, because you

787
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 5: talked about the roster building, and if they do end

788
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 5: up keeping Justin Fields, what are some of the pieces

789
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: that they have to add there. I mean, the old

790
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 5: line kind of has been shaky the last couple of years.

791
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 5: I mean they were just basically letting him get bombed out,

792
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 5: you know in the backfield.

793
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Speaker 4: I mean they are.

794
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 5: Allowed the second most unblocked sacks last in twenty twenty three.

795
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Speaker 5: So where are some of the areas you think, you know,

796
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: the old line wide receiver two. Where else could they build?

797
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: Well? I believe that both tackles are legit.

798
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 6: Braxton Jones and the rookie Darnell Wright, we're both very good.

799
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Speaker 2: They're progressing.

800
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 6: Tevin Jenkins when he's available and healthy, he's one of

801
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: the best guards in the NFL. Unfortunately, Dixon coming in

802
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 6: from Tennessee did not quite work out. They've had a

803
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: huge issue at the center position. I think that if

804
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 6: they get the center position correct, that's going to solve

805
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: a lot of their offensive line issues. And also designing

806
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 6: schemes to help justin fields get rid of them ball,

807
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 6: quicker run, a slant maybe I don't.

808
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: Know, get open.

809
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 6: I really do believe that there could be there's issues,

810
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 6: like the offensive line needs to be improved, absolutely, But

811
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 6: and again this goes to the fact that there's going

812
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 6: to be opportunities in the free agency. I think that's

813
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 6: going to tell a lot, like where are they going

814
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 6: in free agency? If they go out there and I

815
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 6: haven't really looked to see who the top available center

816
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 6: is going to be because I would prefer it to

817
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 6: be a veteran player instead of bringing in a book.

818
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 6: You want veterans. You want a veteran center to come

819
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 6: in there. You also might want to add and you

820
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 6: could add some pieces in the draft as well. You

821
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 6: would also look at are they going after guys like

822
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 6: t Higgins and Mike Evans in the draft like or

823
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 6: in the in free agency? Excuse me, because that would

824
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 6: probably preclude them from taking somebody like Rome a Dude's

825
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 6: a or one of the other receivers. I know there's

826
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 6: a number of Like Tech has had a couple of

827
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 6: great receivers out there. There's there's opportunities, So you start

828
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Speaker 6: with free agency. They're one of the teams with the

829
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 6: best cap positions in the league. Now, obviously they're gonna

830
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 6: have to go out and pay Jayalen Johnson, which Ryan

831
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 6: Poles has indicated that he's going to do that, and

832
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 6: with all these accolades and honors that are coming his way.

833
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 6: It's going to cost It's going to cost some money,

834
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 6: but I think it's worth it. You've got to start

835
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 6: paying your players at some point. So we'll see what

836
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 6: happens in free agency. And again if they trade down,

837
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 6: if they trade out of the number one spot, that

838
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 6: gives you opportunity to look at edge. It gives you

839
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 6: an opportunity to look at the offensive line, and of

840
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 6: course wide receiver and Brock Bauers is there as well

841
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 6: if you want to do I know. Like that was

842
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 6: one of the things that I threw out recently was

843
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 6: if the Atlanta Falcons offered you a very similar package

844
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 6: to what Carolina did last year, but instead of Dj Moore,

845
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 6: they gave you Kyle Pitts, would you do this move?

846
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 6: And it was funny because the Bears fans like, we've

847
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 6: already got Cole kamt. I'm like, you know what, you.

848
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: Could run twelve.

849
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 6: It's allowed because first of all, Kyle Pitts has never

850
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 6: blocked anybody in his life.

851
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: I don't think he would be the worst bouncer in

852
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: the world. He's tall.

853
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 6: But it's like, oh, you're letting everybody by you. I

854
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 6: think that you could find a way. You would just

855
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 6: you know, we'd get rid of Bob Tunyan that the

856
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 6: double agent is like, you would be able to run

857
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 6: some stuff. So again, I think there's a it's a

858
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 6: it's a whole like it's a whole puzzle. And the

859
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 6: funny thing too, is like Bear's fandom is so polarized

860
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 6: one way or the other. I really do believe that

861
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 6: you're in a win win situation. I think both of

862
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 6: these situations are winning hands.

863
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: You know.

864
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 6: It's kind of like, obviously I love the golf. It's

865
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 6: like a guy you could either go for you know,

866
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 6: it's a short part for you could pull out a

867
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 6: driver and try to reach the green in one or

868
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 6: if you're like me, I'm gonna pull out my six

869
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 6: iron and I'm gonna go six iron, nine iron and

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Speaker 6: you're not.

871
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: Nine iron, but like my fifty four.

872
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 6: Degree and I get on the green that way, I'm

873
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 6: still putting for Birdie.

874
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: You're doing that.

875
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,959
Speaker 6: So I think they're both very winnable situations and it'll

876
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 6: be interesting to see how they how Ryan Poles decides

877
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 6: to do this.

878
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: I was thinking about this yesterday because I think the

879
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: whole Kayleb Williams five year window, that's like the long

880
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: term approach. Matt Eberflus isn't thinking five years down the

881
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: road because if he doesn't compete this year, he could

882
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: be gone. So is it possible that Eberflus and the

883
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: Bears could be like with Justin Fields and his rushing

884
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: ability with the way our defense played down this stretch

885
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 3: with Shane Waldron, if he could run a similar style

886
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: offense where it's like competitive you control the clock in

887
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 3: that and you keep the game close too late like

888
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: and if we use these picks on the defense and

889
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: adding some weapons for Justin Fields, that might be the

890
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: better path to be immediately competitive.

891
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 6: That felt like when they when they made the decision

892
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 6: to stick with with Matt Eberflus, you kind of sort

893
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 6: of painted yourself into a corner where you should you

894
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 6: should be sticking with Justin Fields because it makes the

895
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 6: most sense. You want the continuity. The team won seven

896
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 6: games this season. They also had three games where they

897
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 6: were a ninety percent chance of winning that game, but

898
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 6: unfortunately we're befeld through just I don't know, mismanagement. I

899
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 6: don't know the game against Denver, the game against Surgery,

900
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: they should should have swept the Lions, and of course

901
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 6: the game against the Cleveland Browns three instances where they

902
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 6: had and it's not like a fan being like, we

903
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 6: could have won this game like no, no.

904
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: No, the statistical the statistical.

905
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 6: House edge in those games, like it was it was

906
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 6: ninety percent of all three of them, it was a

907
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 6: point zero zero zero three percent of losing all three

908
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 6: of them. You win two of those, you're in the playoffs.

909
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 6: The Packers don't make it. So I really do believe

910
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 6: that this team is closer. And even if you if

911
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 6: they did make the move for Caleb Williams, it would

912
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 6: lead me to believe that Matt Eberflus is getting a

913
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 6: couple of years, that it's probably not a lame duck situation.

914
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 6: We don't know if he signed a four year deal

915
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 6: presumably like nobody's ever known.

916
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: But you know, going into a third season, it seems

917
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: very realistic, and you expect this team to continue to progress.

918
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: You know.

919
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 6: They talk about the Packers like, oh, it's the youngest

920
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 6: team in the NFL. It's like, okay, but the Bears

921
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 6: are very young too. The Lions are very young too.

922
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 6: This is going to be a very difficult decision. But

923
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 6: the Bears have a lot of talent, like a lot

924
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: of young talent, and I think a lot of their

925
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 6: picks have panned out pretty well. The Chase Claypool trade

926
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 6: did not work out in their favor, but you know

927
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 6: what you rebounded. You ended up bringing in Montese Sweat

928
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 6: Pyreek Stevenson I feel is as good, if not better

929
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 6: than Joey Porter, the guy who was drafted with the

930
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 6: thirty second overall pick. I think that Ryan Poles has

931
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 6: done a nice job of building this team to where

932
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 6: you would expect them to be competitive enough that perhaps

933
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 6: Matt Eberfluis is on more of a two year plan

934
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 6: as opposed to a lame duck situation.

935
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: So then is Shane waldri in the answer at OC.

936
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: You know, it's interesting because a lot of Seahawks fans

937
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 6: were like, good Rid, and we'll see you. I'm like,

938
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 6: how well did you expect this guy to be your quarterback?

939
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: Was still genos? It was fun.

940
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 6: I didn't right back, that's wonderful. Why did he Why

941
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 6: did he do this? And they're like, well, he didn't

942
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 6: use you know, DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett a lot.

943
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know what, First of all, both those

944
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 6: guys had one hundred targets. I think that's more of

945
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 6: a quarterback issue than it is anything else.

946
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: So if you.

947
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 6: Can come in and do the Bears go out there

948
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 6: and they they will address the wide receiver position, and

949
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 6: whether it's drafting one of these studs coming into the draft,

950
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 6: whether it's you know, signing T Higgins, whatever it is,

951
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 6: they're going to have two guys who are probably going

952
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 6: to get one hundred plus targets. I know that brock

953
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 6: Heward had been making the rounds kind of talking about, hey,

954
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 6: like this, you know he doesn't run the ball well enough.

955
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.

956
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 6: I'm like Kenneth Walker seemed to battle injuries of a

957
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 6: ton You had Zach Charbonne have okay times that it's

958
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 6: in spots. I don't know that this is all on

959
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 6: the offensive coordinator. I think that this team overachieved and

960
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 6: played very well. And for me, one of the things

961
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 6: that I really like about the situation is that it's

962
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 6: a guy who was once a play caller. You know,

963
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 6: they took a leap of faith with Luke Getsy, similar

964
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 6: to what Houston did with Bobby Slowick. You're bringing in

965
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 6: a guy who's never called plays. Now, sometimes it can

966
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 6: work out. Bobby Slowik obviously did a wonderful job there,

967
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 6: and I think also having continuity with Demiko Ryans being

968
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 6: from the same staff. This was kind of a marriage

969
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 6: between Getsy and Eberflus were to my knowledge, they didn't

970
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 6: really have a working relationship previously. So now you bring

971
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 6: in Shane Waldron and you're giving them an opportunity to

972
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 6: call the place, something that he's done successfully.

973
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: In the past.

974
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 6: I think this helps out and I think it actually

975
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,959
Speaker 6: could end up benefitting the running game.

976
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: So doing seeing some of the mock drafts come out,

977
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremias put out his first mock draft, Bucky Brooks

978
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: has put out his first mock draft. They both have

979
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: the Bears taking Caleb Williams at number one, not a

980
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: major surprise, but they also both have the Bear's taking

981
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: an edge rusher at number nine. Two different guys but

982
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: the same position. Are are you good with that or

983
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: really need to, you know, maybe spend that capital on

984
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 1: a wide receiver.

985
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 6: That would lead me to believe that they're signing a

986
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 6: big one of the big free agents, which is fine.

987
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 6: If they're gonna do that, I would have I would

988
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 6: imagine that they're signing t Higgins. You would have to

989
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 6: go to the McAfee family, not that McAfee, but the

990
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 6: Bears Hall of Famer because number five is retired in Chicago,

991
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 6: so you could do it kind of thing with JJ

992
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 6: Watt talking to the Marshall Goldberg family, like we're taking

993
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 6: your number out of the rafters, which I think is

994
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 6: kind of a cool thing. I really love that idea,

995
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 6: like pulling out the number of a guy who's still alive.

996
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 6: Like when Jerry Rice did that to Steve Largin. I

997
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 6: thought that was kind of a d move, like, no,

998
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 6: he's still alive, you're breaking his records. You shouldn't get

999
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 6: his number. But I think for somebody who's passed and

1000
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 6: it gives you an opportunity to learn something, I'm going

1001
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 6: to be very cool if the Bears started doing that

1002
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 6: thirty four and forty notwithstanding fifty one. No, what with

1003
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 6: some of these other guys that you've never heard of,

1004
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 6: like like George McAfee, Like okay, like let's unretirement.

1005
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: People will learn about him at school and T Higgins

1006
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: can wear it, so I don't mind that idea.

1007
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 6: One thing that we floated out on our podcast was

1008
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 6: similar to what Houston did last year is where they

1009
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 6: you know, they drafted CJ. Stroud and they sold out

1010
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 6: for Will Anderson. It would be interesting with all the

1011
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 6: draft capital that the Bears have if they sold out

1012
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 6: to get back into the top five and drafted Marvin

1013
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 6: Harrison junior, So you would have Caleb and Marvin Harrison

1014
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 6: Junior and Dj Moore And let's go, like, if there's

1015
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 6: one thing, because Bears fans are gonna be upset if

1016
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams is the quarterback. No disrespect to Caleb, this

1017
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 6: isn't an indication. This isn't a knock on him. But

1018
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 6: we love justin fields. If you somehow made it Caleb

1019
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 6: Williams and Marvin Harrison Junior, W'd be like.

1020
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, and so you know what.

1021
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 6: You know, the interesting thing too about these mock drafts

1022
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 6: is like, well, what if the Bears went out there

1023
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 6: and signed Danielle Hunter, like and you didn't need an

1024
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 6: edge rusher. So there's also it's hard to do these

1025
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 6: mock drafts this time of the year because we don't

1026
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 6: know where these teams are going in free agency. So

1027
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 6: it's good fodder and it's good for people. And daniel

1028
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 6: needs to do something now because he can't be like

1029
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 6: h and be on the payroll without anything to do.

1030
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 6: But we'll see this is a loaded.

1031
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: Free agent and draft class for water. I'm not going

1032
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 3: to act like a draft class expert, but from everyone

1033
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: who is a draft class expert, they say it's a

1034
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: loaded wide receiver draft class. I know there's a lot

1035
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: of big name free agents there, so no matter who

1036
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: the quarterback is, I'm hopeful that you guys can add

1037
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: some talent there for our fantasy purposes. Because Fields was

1038
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: amazing statistically when throwing to DJ Moore was when he

1039
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 3: was throwing to lesser wide receivers that the numbers kind.

1040
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 4: Of took a hit.

1041
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, his numbers improved.

1042
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Darnell Mooney who fell off and we don't know.

1043
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 6: And if you listen to a mon Ross Saint Brown

1044
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 6: with his brother Equanimius, they did a podcast and a

1045
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 6: mon Ross Saint Brown kind of indicated like somebody sold

1046
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 6: out Darnell moo And you know, you're curious, like, yeah,

1047
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 6: I don't know what the I don't know what the

1048
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 6: thing was. I don't know what the issue was with

1049
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 6: Darnell Mooney, why he didn't excel. It was kind of

1050
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 6: a mystery. And it sucks because it's his you know,

1051
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 6: it's contract year, so he's probably gonna have to go out.

1052
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 6: I kind of hope if Darnell doesn't return to the

1053
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 6: Bears that I hope he goes to Kansas City and

1054
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 6: you know, comes in there and becomes a very you know,

1055
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 6: viable option for them. But yeah, just looking at some

1056
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 6: of these guys. One player that I really like that

1057
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 6: if the Bears don't take him, if the Bears don't

1058
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 6: go you know, if they if they take a wide

1059
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 6: receiver later and again I'm very early into the uh

1060
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 6: into the draft stuff, and of course I will be

1061
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 6: doing my mock draft with a twist at some point

1062
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 6: during this offseason. Is I love was at Troy Franklin,

1063
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 6: the Oregon wide receiver. I think that he's a very

1064
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 6: interesting prospect. I know that, you know, there's some people

1065
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 6: and if you listen to fantasy people who who love

1066
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 6: talking about the helmets, like a player is only good,

1067
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 6: but depending on the helmet.

1068
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: Like, oh, who's the worst Oregon receiver, it doesn't matter.

1069
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter because Franklin's good. Franklin's good.

1070
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 6: Like I know, it's been a weird thing where Oregon

1071
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 6: State has had all the stud receivers going back to

1072
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 6: what Chad Johnson d j Ouschman's there's somebody else that

1073
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 6: I'm missing. I'm sure somebody'll be like, oh, I'm sorry

1074
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 6: that I no disrespect to missing anybody. Yeah, but Oregon, Like,

1075
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 6: I'm like somebody brought that up, Like who was the

1076
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 6: last one? Like Bobby Moore, Like, I don't know, it's

1077
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: hard to like who is Graziano's or Harrington's receivers. Gosh,

1078
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 6: but I think Franklin is a I really like him.

1079
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 6: And so again, like if you're looking later in these drafts,

1080
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 6: somebody like we saw it this year with guys like

1081
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 6: Tank Dell who were not the top guys off the

1082
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 6: board but still ended up being valuable contributors when given

1083
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 6: an opportunity. Josh Downs I thought played really good in

1084
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 6: stretches too. So the only guy who wasn't good was

1085
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 6: Quentin Johnston. And you guys kept trying to put that

1086
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 6: out there a the time, like he's nice compared to that,

1087
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 6: he's better than me. That was pretty good, if I'm

1088
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 6: gonna be honest with you, But uh yeah, not not great.

1089
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: So I think that there's other guys that can be had.

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00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: It does seem very deep.

1091
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 6: I think I was trying to find this list because

1092
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 6: I was working on By the way, you can hire

1093
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 6: me on Cameo to come do little draft sessions with you.

1094
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 6: But Texas has a couple of good wide receivers Mitchell

1095
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 6: Cole uh Worthy in Mitchell, Florida State had a guy.

1096
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: So there's some guys.

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00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 6: Out there that if you don't end up with the top,

1098
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 6: who's the top, Like Harrison A dune A Romeo rome Neighbors,

1099
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 6: you know, those are the three guys. Brock Bowers kind

1100
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 6: of gets strown ino that mix too. That if you

1101
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 6: fall outside of those, there's still some pretty good guys

1102
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 6: that you can look at.

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00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 2: I'm looking up Oregon receivers here and yeah, I think

1104
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: the last who's our all time leading receiver? It's got

1105
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: to be It's got to be Bobby Moore. Bobby Moore K. Yeah,

1106
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: I mean you know this. You were you were a

1107
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 2: proponent of packed twelve after dark.

1108
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: They just they run a lot of really fast but

1109
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: small guys out there who don't necessarily translate to the NFL.

1110
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean they're they work in college. They were great,

1111
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: but you know, uh, the Anthony Thomas didn't necessarily translate

1112
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: to the VA when.

1113
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 6: They had Yeah, that's that's very true. They don't have Yeah,

1114
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 6: their their offense is different, and you know that's the

1115
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 6: way it works. Yeah, because who's Mariota's got? God, I

1116
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 6: can't even think of it.

1117
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: I can't even think of who Mario because Mariota ran

1118
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 2: so much. It didn't here like who is this receiver?

1119
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: Like it's probably kind of weird.

1120
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: Uh, I do want to ask you because, uh, you know,

1121
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: the Packers obviously made it run. The Lions are still

1122
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: in it. I've noticed that Vikings Nation is really sort

1123
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: of having a meltdown over the Lions being good. How

1124
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: are how are Bears fans handling this whatever?

1125
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: They're fine, they went, you know, as long as the

1126
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: Packers were out, it's all.

1127
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 6: It's all good. And the Packers have like the weirdest

1128
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 6: fan base, like they I don't know, like a lot

1129
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 6: of teams want to win Super Bowls. The Packers only

1130
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 6: want to finish better than the Bears. Like it's a

1131
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 6: really good like your title, town, your time? Why do

1132
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 6: you care about us? Like okay, because like, oh.

1133
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: I bet you're happy.

1134
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 6: I'm like yeah, I mean like it was cool, Like

1135
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 6: it's fun to see you guys lose and fall on

1136
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 6: your face because you're the most obnoxious fan base. Like

1137
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 6: it's really weird when you think of like the NFC

1138
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 6: North think of this like Detroit. I don't know if

1139
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 6: you've ever been to Detroit. Detroit's a great city, Minneapolis

1140
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 6: is an amazing city, Chicago is a wonderful place. Green

1141
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 6: Bay sucks as a farm town. And it's like it's

1142
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 6: got a like a roadway in or whatever it is,

1143
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 6: Like it's nothing like it's You're like three of the

1144
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 6: best metropolitan cities in America and green Bay Like what how.

1145
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 4: Did you get?

1146
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 6: Can we trade you out for somebody else, like bringing Indianapolis,

1147
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 6: Like I don't know, but it's it's interesting. So uh,

1148
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 6: I don't mind the whole Detroit thing, Like it's kind

1149
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 6: of fun, like a good for them, I think because

1150
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 6: I like the city of Detroit so much, and I

1151
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 6: think that I think there's more of a rivalry between

1152
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 6: Minnesota and Detroit, whereas Green Bay and Chicago kind of

1153
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 6: get lumped together. Like if we were doing a thing

1154
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 6: where we had where if the NFL had a rivalry week,

1155
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 6: the Lions and Vikings would be matched up and the

1156
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 6: Bears and the Bears and Packers would be which is

1157
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 6: another interesting question of like what would the NFC East be?

1158
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 2: Like? Who would be who would be the Cowboys chief?

1159
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: Everybody just plays the Cowboys. Ask a good question. Actually,

1160
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I guess we'd have to ask a Cowboys fan. Iron me,

1161
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys. I think the Cowboys commanders. I

1162
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: think Eagles Giants Philadelphia, New York always seemed like they

1163
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: always hate each other, it's violent.

1164
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: I think it would be Cowboys Eagles.

1165
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: An answer Cowboys giants. I think Cowboys commanders probably the

1166
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: one Florio's giants there.

1167
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 3: The Dolphins are the Bills version of that for you guys,

1168
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: because I had more Dolphins fans celebrating the Bills lost

1169
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 3: in Chiefs fans at least I saw.

1170
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: And it's like, all right, you.

1171
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 3: Guys, Josh Allen's not good, then you guys can't beat

1172
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 3: a not good quarterback.

1173
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 4: Like I don't I understand the thinking.

1174
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: But.

1175
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: Jesus, that's how you know that you have a rival

1176
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: when they lose and you had nothing to do with it.

1177
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: But it's still time for who's the Raiders top rival?

1178
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: Oh, because nobody nobody would claim.

1179
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 6: The Chargers, like nobody's like, hey, we're charges even in

1180
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 6: the mid two thousands, nobody cared about the Charre.

1181
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: My friends who are fans, they they really hate the Chiefs.

1182
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: They really good now.

1183
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 6: I think like if you would have asked them during

1184
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 6: the John Elway era.

1185
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 2: That's true.

1186
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 3: I did have a Raiders fan come up to me

1187
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: on Saturday. I had a Bills had on, and they

1188
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 3: were like, I'm a Raiders fans hate the Chiefs, hope

1189
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: you guys beat them.

1190
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 2: So I was I was going to say Chiefs, Yeah,

1191
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 2: because Mahomes and Kelsey. It's Mahomes, it's recency bias, it's

1192
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: the whole thing.

1193
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 4: Swift. I don't know, it's not the Chargers.

1194
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 2: I can tell you that nobody cares about the Chargers.

1195
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 6: That's the one thing about Chicago and Green Bay is

1196
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 6: like the Bears have not been good for a long time,

1197
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 6: but yet we're still forefront in the Packers fans mind,

1198
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 6: like they've had, you know, a lot of playoff appearances,

1199
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 6: but they still care about. All they care about is

1200
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 6: best thing that like getting farther than the Bears, like

1201
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 6: a really weirdo fan base. Like if you're sitting there,

1202
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 6: if my team had lost on Saturday night, the last

1203
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 6: thing I would have done, is gone to you know,

1204
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 6: been surfing reels or tiktoks just to talk ass to

1205
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 6: Bears fans.

1206
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 2: Like what a weirdo?

1207
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 6: Like go away, Like, let me just enjoy this moment

1208
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 6: because everything that happened had happened because the Jordan Love

1209
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 6: stuff got a little too out of hand. I'm like,

1210
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 6: I know that a lot of people don't watch a

1211
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 6: lot of the games like this guy. He is like

1212
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 6: the kid who does stuff or you're like, you keep

1213
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 6: getting away with this, but something like we had a

1214
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 6: kid who sat in the back of the class. It

1215
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 6: would like spit spitballs, like you're going to get detention

1216
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 6: if you keep this up and eventually gets caught by

1217
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 6: the teacher and gets Saturday school. And that's exactly what happened.

1218
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 6: Like yeah, like Jordan Love, you can throw off your

1219
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 6: back foot and lob it into the air when you're

1220
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 6: playing the Carolina Panthers. You can't do that against the

1221
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 6: forty nine Ers, as you found out, and trying to

1222
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 6: hit your players in stride.

1223
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: But in any event, I was.

1224
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 6: Happy to see, So I was happy for that, and

1225
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 6: I'm happy to see that Jordan Love is now officially

1226
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 6: a Packers quarterback. Now that you've lost the forty nine ers,

1227
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 6: you are now officially like Simba in the line King.

1228
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: You get held out there like, hey, he's one of us. Now,

1229
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: could you right a passage?

1230
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: Because the former Packers quarterback I think would have been

1231
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: going crazy this week.

1232
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 6: It would have been win win, either one of those,

1233
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 6: because I had I had two memes ready. It was

1234
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 6: either you are now a true Packer or Aaron Rodgers

1235
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 6: system quarterback.

1236
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: And this whole thing's a fallacy, like the.

1237
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 6: Only quarterbacks like that is the one thing at least

1238
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 6: with Like Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay and won,

1239
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 6: and was like the reason that they won because I

1240
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 6: know that the Peyton Manning fans will come and be like, well,

1241
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,240
Speaker 6: Peyton Manning, that's a when with the like, Okay, Peyton

1242
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 6: Manning was on a team that won a Super Bowl.

1243
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 6: He had as much to do with it as Brock

1244
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 6: Osweiler did, so don't ever be As a matter of fact,

1245
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 6: I would contend that Peyton Manning has never won a

1246
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 6: Super Bowl. He's been on two Super Bowl winning teams.

1247
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 6: I don't like when you talk about datelink whenever they

1248
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 6: put up David Carr's accomplishments like super Bowl quarterback.

1249
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: Like, stop it, backup, that's Peyton Manning.

1250
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 6: You were like, hey, if Peyton Manning was on the

1251
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 6: NFL network, I would be like, hey, Peyton Manning, face

1252
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 6: Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl. That would be my

1253
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 6: thing that I would point out to him. Very good

1254
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 6: statistically quarterback, But face Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl.

1255
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: H And even then, the game was interesting. Rex Grossman

1256
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 2: had a chance to win. That game was interesting. That

1257
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: was not that the you know, the Colts didn't run

1258
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: out and hide in that game.

1259
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: No, definitely not.

1260
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: And if if it wasn't raining, they probably would have lost.

1261
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: Manning would have Manning and the Bears.

1262
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 6: I was talking to Sean Merriman because I was like, hey,

1263
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 6: so he was coming on. We were talking about Justin

1264
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 6: Fields on my podcast, and I'm like, hey, let me

1265
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 6: like I always LT hates when I bring this up,

1266
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 6: but I'm like, you guys would have smoked if Marlon

1267
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 6: McCree had held onto that ball. You guys would have

1268
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 6: smoked the Colts in the AFC Championship game, right, And

1269
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 6: he's like, oh, yeah, we would have beat them by thirty.

1270
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, of course you would have, but it would.

1271
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: Have been in charge.

1272
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 2: Real interest.

1273
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 6: It would have been Chargers versus would have been Chargers

1274
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 6: versus Bears, and that's super Bears.

1275
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: I honestly, I don't know if we would have beaten

1276
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: the Chargers.

1277
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 6: I felt good about it big of all the teams

1278
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 6: that were alive in the AFC playoffs, I remember thinking like,

1279
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 6: it's got to be the Colts. Don't let it be

1280
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 6: New England. Let it be the Colts. But you know

1281
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 6: here we are, well the.

1282
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: Bears, they are on the clock. We'll see what they do.

1283
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk about the Bears at some point,

1284
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: but the glad to talk to them, talk about them

1285
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: to Adam Rank, who you can find, as you mentioned,

1286
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: on the Sick Podcasts right Spotify, iTunes, all those spots there.

1287
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 6: All that good stuff. We also have a YouTube page

1288
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 6: for it. If you go onto YouTube and you hit

1289
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 6: out the Sick podcast with Adam Rank, I will tell

1290
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 6: you this too. It's a little favorite. You don't listen,

1291
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 6: I gotta do a subscribe. You don't have to listen

1292
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 6: to it, you don't have to watch it. I understand

1293
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 6: the Bears, that's fine, listen. But I do this for

1294
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 6: my friends who have like a forty nine ers podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I subscribe to it. Do I ever watch it? No?

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Speaker 2: I subscribe to us.

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Speaker 6: So they could be like, look at all the subscribers

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Speaker 6: that we have, So listen. A little, a little fun,

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Speaker 6: a little, a little help to the kid here, dude.

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Speaker 4: Just click the button. That's all.

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Speaker 2: That's all he's asking. Just click the button. Subscribe, that's

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Speaker 2: all I gotta do. Turn off notifications. You're fine, You'll

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Speaker 2: never see me again. Just subscribe to all of it,

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Speaker 2: right man, Appreciate it, sir. Enjoy golf. Thank you. Ah, No,

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Speaker 2: I gotta go now.

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Speaker 6: It's it's car trouble today, so I got to go

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Speaker 6: back out go pick.

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Speaker 2: Up my car. Like, oh you also not. I don't

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Speaker 2: need that, but in any event, there it is. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's Adam Rank of course. Of course that's it for

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Speaker 2: us too. We're gonna wrap this one up.

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Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. A happy, safe, and healthy, do good and

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Speaker 1: live well. Enjoy the week, everybody.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again on Thursday.